If only we could put something like this on all user profiles.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2011/1209...-Take-our-quiz/
Seriously, a science based quiz on CHRISTIAN Science Monitor?
Anyway, it isn't very hard. I expected it much more difficult.
Anyway, it isn't very hard. I expected it much more difficult.
QUOTE (Physfan+Jun 12 2012, 09:41 PM)
Seriously, a science based quiz on CHRISTIAN Science Monitor?
Someone should’ve told these Christian guys they weren't qualified to practice physics.
http://www.jesuitsmissouri.org/files/obits...drottiFrank.pdf
http://www.osa.org/About_Osa/Newsroom/Obit...noPedrotti.aspx
Someone should’ve told these Christian guys they weren't qualified to practice physics.
http://www.jesuitsmissouri.org/files/obits...drottiFrank.pdf
http://www.osa.org/About_Osa/Newsroom/Obit...noPedrotti.aspx
I feel bad for the atheists that never figure out that they don't have to be a-holes.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jun 13 2012, 01:20 AM)
I feel bad for the atheists that never figure out that they don't have to be a-holes.
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I feel bad for the atheists that never figure out that they don't have to be a-holes.
What is your point? You are intelligent but your comparative youth betrays you all the time. It is NOT necessary to be "nice" to Christians or any other religious group. (Admittedly, it is a bit tricky with Muslims because they will kill you for it.) For centuries and centuries, Christians, among others, have persecuted EVERYONE at their whim.
Since the Industrial Revolution and the gradual rise of the middle class, religion has started its decline. The churches have had to change tack or face extinction. As far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better. Humanity can then claim its intellectual heritage that started with the Greek philosophers and become truly enlightened. Why should we tolerate superstition, ignorance and belief in fairies that has interfered in humanity for far too long?
Physfan
QUOTE (Physfan+Jun 13 2012, 01:07 AM)
You are intelligent but your comparative youth betrays you all the time.
Really? So you're saying being a jerk comes with age?
As a general rule, I try to be nice to all of my fellow human beings.
As a general rule, I try to be nice to all of my fellow human beings.
Admittedly, it is a bit tricky with Muslims because they will kill you for it.
You have a really bad problem with stereotyping.
That's funny, because I don't know any Christians who have been alive for centuries and centuries. Do you?
Each individual is responsible for his or her own actions, no-one else's. I think you would be surprised to learn that the religions you hate so much aren't the monolithic groups you think they are. If your goal is truly to create a better world, then you'll have better luck working with them rather than against them.
As it does again.
As it does again.
Really? So you're saying being a jerk comes with age?
Sometimes you outdo yourself and trump your normal stupidity. No, that isn't a contradiction;
you are intelligent but not smart. That can come with experience and before you stereotype those older than you and say something even dumber, do yourself a favour and don't confirm it.
So do I, if they don't try to interfere in my life or anyone else's life where they have no business. However, the religious cannot help themselves and believe their invisible fairy gives them some right to be interfering arseholes.
I babysat a two and half year old while walking the dog in the park this evening. That is what being "nice" to human beings is about.
So do I, if they don't try to interfere in my life or anyone else's life where they have no business. However, the religious cannot help themselves and believe their invisible fairy gives them some right to be interfering arseholes.
I babysat a two and half year old while walking the dog in the park this evening. That is what being "nice" to human beings is about.
You have a really bad problem with stereotyping.
Really? So you're saying being a jerk comes with age?
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It is NOT necessary to be "nice" to Christians or any other religious group.
As a general rule, I try to be nice to all of my fellow human beings.
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| It is NOT necessary to be "nice" to Christians or any other religious group. |
As a general rule, I try to be nice to all of my fellow human beings.
Admittedly, it is a bit tricky with Muslims because they will kill you for it.
You have a really bad problem with stereotyping.
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For centuries and centuries, Christians, among others, have persecuted EVERYONE at their whim.
That's funny, because I don't know any Christians who have been alive for centuries and centuries. Do you?
Each individual is responsible for his or her own actions, no-one else's. I think you would be surprised to learn that the religions you hate so much aren't the monolithic groups you think they are. If your goal is truly to create a better world, then you'll have better luck working with them rather than against them.
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You are intelligent but your comparative youth betrays you all the time.
As it does again.
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| You are intelligent but your comparative youth betrays you all the time. |
As it does again.
Really? So you're saying being a jerk comes with age?
Sometimes you outdo yourself and trump your normal stupidity. No, that isn't a contradiction;
you are intelligent but not smart. That can come with experience and before you stereotype those older than you and say something even dumber, do yourself a favour and don't confirm it.
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As a general rule, I try to be nice to all of my fellow human beings.
So do I, if they don't try to interfere in my life or anyone else's life where they have no business. However, the religious cannot help themselves and believe their invisible fairy gives them some right to be interfering arseholes.
I babysat a two and half year old while walking the dog in the park this evening. That is what being "nice" to human beings is about.
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| As a general rule, I try to be nice to all of my fellow human beings. |
So do I, if they don't try to interfere in my life or anyone else's life where they have no business. However, the religious cannot help themselves and believe their invisible fairy gives them some right to be interfering arseholes.
I babysat a two and half year old while walking the dog in the park this evening. That is what being "nice" to human beings is about.
You have a really bad problem with stereotyping.
You aren't well read or aware of the nature of the Koran. What other religion punishes apostasy by death, for example?
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That's funny, because I don't know any Christians who have been alive for centuries and centuries. Do you?
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| That's funny, because I don't know any Christians who have been alive for centuries and centuries. Do you? |
Sometimes you outdo yourself and trump your normal stupidity. No, that isn't a contradiction; you are intelligent but not smart. That can come with experience and before you stereotype those older than you and say something even dumber, do yourself a favour and don't confirm it.
Oops, you did it again.
Physfan
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Each individual is responsible for his or her own actions, no-one else's. I think you would be surprised to learn that the religions you hate so much aren't the monolithic groups you think they are. If your goal is truly to create a better world, then you'll have better luck working with them rather than against them.
Idealistic clap-trap. Hopefully, you will grow out of it.Physfan
QUOTE (Physfan+Jun 13 2012, 07:36 AM)
Sometimes you outdo yourself and trump your normal stupidity. No, that isn't a contradiction;
you are intelligent but not smart. That can come with experience and before you stereotype those older than you and say something even dumber, do yourself a favour and don't confirm it.
So, your definition of "smart" is people who agree with you? Has anyone ever told you that you're an arrogant a-hole?
Again, you refer to "the religious" as if they were some monolithic group. That's simply not true, and you know it's not true. You're using stereotypes because breaking this down on a person-by-person basis would defeat your point that all religious people are the same.
Again, you refer to "the religious" as if they were some monolithic group. That's simply not true, and you know it's not true. You're using stereotypes because breaking this down on a person-by-person basis would defeat your point that all religious people are the same.
You aren't well read or aware of the nature of the Koran. What other religion punishes apostasy by death, for example?
I know what the Qur'an says, and what the Bible says. People don't need a holy book to kill each other. It's just a convenient excuse. If not that, they would find another. Would you prefer a religious war or a race war?
So you assume by default that idealism is wrong, and cynicism is right? You also assume that age is a progression from idealism to cynicism? I reject both of those assumptions.
And you reckon I post crap?
You resort to ad hominems far too readily. I doubt your stability since you relish hurling insults when not warranted. I'm out of here so long as you participate in this thread. There are more than enough of your types around and I can't see the point of attempting to debate with the unstable.
Physfan
It still comes from the base of belief in a sky fairy so who would know when that will interfere with the accurate and unbiased publication of a story?
Physfan
Doubtless, this makes you feel ever so clever. As well as unstable, there is a fair bit of narcissism.
I'm not going to debate with an insulting smartarse. Post what you like, I've unsubscribed. (You won't be able to help yourself though, it is an aspect of narcissism.)
Islam is going to take this world back to the Dark Ages. The enlightenment attempted to wrest control from xian loonies, but we have come to a point where muslims want to control the world and take it backwards. Feeble minded people, such as fbm, think their "worldliness" and "tolerance" are what makes them culturally elite. Unfortunately, they can't see past their own, misplaced, arrogance.
Atheists should have the same tolerance of the religious as the religious have for them; NONE.
In your narcissistic pursuit of being the smartest @rsehole, you can't see the wood for the trees. I was making a point, not a history lesson.
You aren't old enough to have had the song written about you, however, Captain Jack by Billy Joel has you written all over it.
In your narcissistic pursuit of being the smartest @rsehole, you can't see the wood for the trees. I was making a point, not a history lesson.
You aren't old enough to have had the song written about you, however, Captain Jack by Billy Joel has you written all over it.
That's idiotic.
Then again, the label "atheist" doesn't mean that you're intelligent or educated.
Well, we know how much your opinion is worth. What is the point in your second rant? It makes as much sense as the rest, I suppose.
you are intelligent but not smart. That can come with experience and before you stereotype those older than you and say something even dumber, do yourself a favour and don't confirm it.
So, your definition of "smart" is people who agree with you? Has anyone ever told you that you're an arrogant a-hole?
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However, the religious cannot help themselves and believe their invisible fairy gives them some right to be interfering arseholes.
Again, you refer to "the religious" as if they were some monolithic group. That's simply not true, and you know it's not true. You're using stereotypes because breaking this down on a person-by-person basis would defeat your point that all religious people are the same.
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| However, the religious cannot help themselves and believe their invisible fairy gives them some right to be interfering arseholes. |
Again, you refer to "the religious" as if they were some monolithic group. That's simply not true, and you know it's not true. You're using stereotypes because breaking this down on a person-by-person basis would defeat your point that all religious people are the same.
You aren't well read or aware of the nature of the Koran. What other religion punishes apostasy by death, for example?
I know what the Qur'an says, and what the Bible says. People don't need a holy book to kill each other. It's just a convenient excuse. If not that, they would find another. Would you prefer a religious war or a race war?
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Idealistic clap-trap. Hopefully, you will grow out of it.
So you assume by default that idealism is wrong, and cynicism is right? You also assume that age is a progression from idealism to cynicism? I reject both of those assumptions.
QUOTE (Physfan+Jun 13 2012, 01:07 AM)
Since the Industrial Revolution and the gradual rise of the middle class, religion has started its decline. The churches have had to change tack or face extinction. As far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better. Humanity can then claim its intellectual heritage that started with the Greek philosophers and become truly enlightened. Why should we tolerate superstition, ignorance and belief in fairies that has interfered in humanity for far too long?
You post this crap and then you call insult me for being idealistic? You think humanity will become "truly enlightened" once religion leaves the picture? That's just stupid.
You've made a falsifiable hypothesis, so why don't we take a look at the examples? Luckily, we have several, as almost every communist country has had atheism as a state religion. How do you think that went?
You post this crap and then you call insult me for being idealistic? You think humanity will become "truly enlightened" once religion leaves the picture? That's just stupid.
You've made a falsifiable hypothesis, so why don't we take a look at the examples? Luckily, we have several, as almost every communist country has had atheism as a state religion. How do you think that went?
The CS Monitor tends to be a pretty respectable paper, iirc.
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You've made a falsifiable hypothesis, so why don't we take a look at the examples? Luckily, we have several, as almost every communist country has had atheism as a state religion. How do you think that went?
And you reckon I post crap?
You resort to ad hominems far too readily. I doubt your stability since you relish hurling insults when not warranted. I'm out of here so long as you participate in this thread. There are more than enough of your types around and I can't see the point of attempting to debate with the unstable.
Physfan
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The CS Monitor tends to be a pretty respectable paper, iirc.
It still comes from the base of belief in a sky fairy so who would know when that will interfere with the accurate and unbiased publication of a story?
Physfan
QUOTE (Physfan+Jun 13 2012, 06:00 PM)
You resort to ad hominems far too readily. I doubt your stability since you relish hurling insults when not warranted. I'm out of here so long as you participate in this thread. There are more than enough of your types around and I can't see the point of attempting to debate with the unstable.
You're not using the term "ad hominem" in any sense approaching its definition. Ad hominem would apply if I said "you are wrong because you are an idiot." I called you an idiot, and said that you are wrong. I did not conflate the two statements.
Your post sounds like you're running away because you know you're losing the argument. You haven't defended any of your statements in any kind of logical fashion.
You're not using the term "ad hominem" in any sense approaching its definition. Ad hominem would apply if I said "you are wrong because you are an idiot." I called you an idiot, and said that you are wrong. I did not conflate the two statements.
Your post sounds like you're running away because you know you're losing the argument. You haven't defended any of your statements in any kind of logical fashion.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jun 13 2012, 10:41 PM)
You're not using the term "ad hominem" in any sense approaching its definition. Ad hominem would apply if I said "you are wrong because you are an idiot." I called you an idiot, and said that you are wrong. I did not conflate the two statements.
Your post sounds like you're running away because you know you're losing the argument. You haven't defended any of your statements in any kind of logical fashion.
Well howabout no personal insults at all - you can say someone is wrong but refrain from saying they are an idiot?
Your post sounds like you're running away because you know you're losing the argument. You haven't defended any of your statements in any kind of logical fashion.
Well howabout no personal insults at all - you can say someone is wrong but refrain from saying they are an idiot?
QUOTE (Physfan+Jun 13 2012, 11:36 AM)
A if they don't try to interfere in my life or anyone else's life where they have no business. However, invisible fairy
I babysat a two and half year old while walking the dog in the park this evening.
Oops, you did it again.
Idealistic clap-trap. Hopefully, you will grow out of it.
There business is every where. It was an ancient business plan . That is hard for you to work out in your brain i know > it is true . It is a main contributor to evolution in humanity. Humanity is at its early stages still you know . A more modern system experiment in the time span of even the earth. It was a business plan to make migration a necessity. Leave or die kind of thing . The whole east to west thing . You see how that worked . Go west young man and all that . You can track it all and make notation of the event unfolding in history as the people of every generation followed the business plan . It has reached the end is the thing . It was all about the seed making it to a specific destination at a designated time . That time is now . Hi I am the Fairy in the Fairy tale. *** Me in the *** already. That is what is meant by the anger of God . From the *** .
Predestination in this case is self fulfilled determination .
I realize that don't make any sense to you and looks like word salad .
I assure you it is not .
Plan and simple in its most basic form is : It was an ancient business plan . Who came up with it ? Hell if I know . Some one or something did . They also made it look like i was the guy at the top of the stair . Maybe if they knew the hidden language ? I could see how they could pull it off. They may even have been able to see the whole picture if there grasp of the hidden language was good
I babysat a two and half year old while walking the dog in the park this evening.
Oops, you did it again.
Idealistic clap-trap. Hopefully, you will grow out of it.
There business is every where. It was an ancient business plan . That is hard for you to work out in your brain i know > it is true . It is a main contributor to evolution in humanity. Humanity is at its early stages still you know . A more modern system experiment in the time span of even the earth. It was a business plan to make migration a necessity. Leave or die kind of thing . The whole east to west thing . You see how that worked . Go west young man and all that . You can track it all and make notation of the event unfolding in history as the people of every generation followed the business plan . It has reached the end is the thing . It was all about the seed making it to a specific destination at a designated time . That time is now . Hi I am the Fairy in the Fairy tale. *** Me in the *** already. That is what is meant by the anger of God . From the *** .
Predestination in this case is self fulfilled determination .
I realize that don't make any sense to you and looks like word salad .
I assure you it is not .
Plan and simple in its most basic form is : It was an ancient business plan . Who came up with it ? Hell if I know . Some one or something did . They also made it look like i was the guy at the top of the stair . Maybe if they knew the hidden language ? I could see how they could pull it off. They may even have been able to see the whole picture if there grasp of the hidden language was good
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Jun 13 2012, 07:22 PM)
Well howabout no personal insults at all - you can say someone is wrong but refrain from saying they are an idiot?
But it's sooo FUN!
But it's sooo FUN!
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jun 14 2012, 12:34 AM)
But it's sooo FUN!
It might be fun for the person saying it but it becomes monotonous for the others who have to read it. I think most people want to learn, so attempting a correction is better than just blasting the person.
It might be fun for the person saying it but it becomes monotonous for the others who have to read it. I think most people want to learn, so attempting a correction is better than just blasting the person.
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You're not using the term "ad hominem" in any sense approaching its definition.
Doubtless, this makes you feel ever so clever. As well as unstable, there is a fair bit of narcissism.
I'm not going to debate with an insulting smartarse. Post what you like, I've unsubscribed. (You won't be able to help yourself though, it is an aspect of narcissism.)
QUOTE (Physfan+Jun 14 2012, 02:51 AM)
Doubtless, this makes you feel ever so clever. As well as unstable, there is a fair bit of narcissism.
I'm not going to debate with an insulting smartarse. Post what you like, I've unsubscribed. (You won't be able to help yourself though, it is an aspect of narcissism.)
Well I hope you change your mind and come back at some stage for this forum is a sad place if there was only Alex and FBM left here frightening everyone else away.
I'm not going to debate with an insulting smartarse. Post what you like, I've unsubscribed. (You won't be able to help yourself though, it is an aspect of narcissism.)
Well I hope you change your mind and come back at some stage for this forum is a sad place if there was only Alex and FBM left here frightening everyone else away.
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Jun 14 2012, 03:38 AM)
Well I hope you change your mind and come back at some stage for this forum is a sad place if there was only Alex and FBM left here frightening everyone else away.
No, this forum is sad it has the likes of you.
No, this forum is sad it has the likes of you.
QUOTE (brucep+Jun 14 2012, 07:18 AM)
No, this forum is sad it has the likes of you.
And what have I done now!
And what have I done now!
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Jun 13 2012, 10:10 PM)
It might be fun for the person saying it but it becomes monotonous for the others who have to read it. I think most people want to learn, so attempting a correction is better than just blasting the person.
Read the thread before you make assumptions.
Who, exactly, have I frightened away? I've surely done a number on you, and you're still here.
Read the thread before you make assumptions.
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Well I hope you change your mind and come back at some stage for this forum is a sad place if there was only Alex and FBM left here frightening everyone else away.
Who, exactly, have I frightened away? I've surely done a number on you, and you're still here.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jun 14 2012, 01:11 PM)
Read the thread before you make assumptions.
Who, exactly, have I frightened away? I've surely done a number on you, and you're still here.
You are right, I'm not commenting on the science but the continual bitching at the poster. The forum will buzz with more users so I was advising to look after users in two ways.
1. No personal insults
2. If their science is wrong try and correct them and it will be interesting to the others who are reading the thread.
OK it is a bit more work to put a a scientific argument. Who does it right? David Waite , Confused2 myself, BruceP (sometimes), Lady Elizabeth (sometimes).
Why I butted in on this thread, was that I noted a user threaten to leave.
Who, exactly, have I frightened away? I've surely done a number on you, and you're still here.
You are right, I'm not commenting on the science but the continual bitching at the poster. The forum will buzz with more users so I was advising to look after users in two ways.
1. No personal insults
2. If their science is wrong try and correct them and it will be interesting to the others who are reading the thread.
OK it is a bit more work to put a a scientific argument. Who does it right? David Waite , Confused2 myself, BruceP (sometimes), Lady Elizabeth (sometimes).
Why I butted in on this thread, was that I noted a user threaten to leave.
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Jun 14 2012, 02:39 PM)
Lady Elizabeth (sometimes)
Hahahhaha
Physfan does not contribute anything on a scientific level, just his dislike for religious people.
He joined the thread by insulting a publication because it has the word "Christian" in the title.
I made a comment (not directed at him) lamenting the relative commodity of a-hole atheists.
His next post was a condescending attack on myself as well as several unjust statements about both Christians and Muslims.
It obviously went on from there.
Hahahhaha
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Why I butted in on this thread, was that I noted a user threaten to leave.
Physfan does not contribute anything on a scientific level, just his dislike for religious people.
He joined the thread by insulting a publication because it has the word "Christian" in the title.
I made a comment (not directed at him) lamenting the relative commodity of a-hole atheists.
His next post was a condescending attack on myself as well as several unjust statements about both Christians and Muslims.
It obviously went on from there.
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Physfan does not contribute anything on a scientific level, just his dislike for religious people.
You forgot my dislike of self-aggrandising, narcissistic, unstable @rseholes like you.Islam is going to take this world back to the Dark Ages. The enlightenment attempted to wrest control from xian loonies, but we have come to a point where muslims want to control the world and take it backwards. Feeble minded people, such as fbm, think their "worldliness" and "tolerance" are what makes them culturally elite. Unfortunately, they can't see past their own, misplaced, arrogance.
Atheists should have the same tolerance of the religious as the religious have for them; NONE.
QUOTE (Physfan+Jul 31 2012, 07:18 PM)
Islam is going to take this world back to the Dark Ages. The enlightenment attempted to wrest control from xian loonies, but we have come to a point where muslims want to control the world and take it backwards.
The "Dark Ages" only occurred in Europe. In the Middle East and Africa, Muslims were responsible for preserving and expanding upon the works of the Greeks and Romans, as well as making huge progress in mathematics.
That's idiotic.
Then again, the label "atheist" doesn't mean that you're intelligent or educated.
The "Dark Ages" only occurred in Europe. In the Middle East and Africa, Muslims were responsible for preserving and expanding upon the works of the Greeks and Romans, as well as making huge progress in mathematics.
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Atheists should have the same tolerance of the religious as the religious have for them; NONE.
That's idiotic.
Then again, the label "atheist" doesn't mean that you're intelligent or educated.
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The "Dark Ages" only occurred in Europe. In the Middle East and Africa, Muslims were responsible for preserving and expanding upon the works of the Greeks and Romans, as well as making huge progress in mathematics.
In your narcissistic pursuit of being the smartest @rsehole, you can't see the wood for the trees. I was making a point, not a history lesson.
You aren't old enough to have had the song written about you, however, Captain Jack by Billy Joel has you written all over it.
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| The "Dark Ages" only occurred in Europe. In the Middle East and Africa, Muslims were responsible for preserving and expanding upon the works of the Greeks and Romans, as well as making huge progress in mathematics. |
In your narcissistic pursuit of being the smartest @rsehole, you can't see the wood for the trees. I was making a point, not a history lesson.
You aren't old enough to have had the song written about you, however, Captain Jack by Billy Joel has you written all over it.
That's idiotic.
Then again, the label "atheist" doesn't mean that you're intelligent or educated.
Well, we know how much your opinion is worth. What is the point in your second rant? It makes as much sense as the rest, I suppose.
QUOTE (Physfan+Jul 31 2012, 07:18 PM)
Atheists should have the same tolerance of the religious as the religious have for them; NONE.
I just want to check, you actually think this is good advice?
Fighting fire with fire is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. At that point, you're no better than those who view religious differences as a reason for conflict. You're making the world worse, not better.
I just want to check, you actually think this is good advice?
Fighting fire with fire is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. At that point, you're no better than those who view religious differences as a reason for conflict. You're making the world worse, not better.
fbm (or Captain Jack),
You may be happy with the proliferation of ignorance and superstition but I can't see how that does anything positive for the world or advances humanity. Dawkins had a bit to say about people like you and I believe he is right.
You are a classic case of this logical fallacy;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
You may be happy with the proliferation of ignorance and superstition but I can't see how that does anything positive for the world or advances humanity. Dawkins had a bit to say about people like you and I believe he is right.
You are a classic case of this logical fallacy;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
QUOTE (Physfan+Aug 1 2012, 11:34 PM)
You may be happy with the proliferation of ignorance and superstition but I can't see how that does anything positive for the world or advances humanity.
What counts as "advancing humanity?" I would consider elimination of hunger, universal human rights and equal access to education as "advancing humanity." Religion doesn't prevent any of those things from happening. Moderate Christianity and moderate Islam have been around just as long or longer than the extreme and fundamental varieties. Fight fundamentalism, the moderates aren't hurting anyone.
People like me? You're advocating outright conflict. I'm advocating peaceful co-existence. What did Dawkins say about people like me?
People like me? You're advocating outright conflict. I'm advocating peaceful co-existence. What did Dawkins say about people like me?
You are a classic case of this logical fallacy;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
Where did I say that the truth lies between two extremes? I don't doubt that god fails to exist, but I just don't see the value in forcing everyone else to believe as I do. I don't see that simple lack of religion is going to make someone better at critical thinking. How about this, improve people's critical thinking skills, and let them make their own conclusions.
Fundamentalist Christians PREACH non-toleration. It's a dumb policy, because it makes everyone hate them, sometimes even those who might be sympathetic. For atheists to advocate non-toleration is a gigantic failure to learn from others' mistakes. Atheists already have a social stigma, and to fight fire with fire will make that even worse. In surveys on religious belief, the number of people who cite "no religion" or "no belief" outnumber atheists, and they do not identify as atheists because of the social stigma of doing so.
Who are you kidding; extreme varieties have been around longer than moderate ones, and they have taken control whenever the opportunity has arisen, which is often. The moderates may have been in the background but it is the extremists in xianity that have had longer lasting, had by far the greater influence and inflicted the greater damage on humanity The Inquisition, for example, only ended in the 1960s and that is only because it was renamed to be the body the current Pope headed.
As for Islam, it was "created" by Mohamed for the purpose of giving his troops a belief system to bolster his armies efficiency at despatching infidels. So much for moderation!
Who are you kidding; extreme varieties have been around longer than moderate ones, and they have taken control whenever the opportunity has arisen, which is often. The moderates may have been in the background but it is the extremists in xianity that have had longer lasting, had by far the greater influence and inflicted the greater damage on humanity The Inquisition, for example, only ended in the 1960s and that is only because it was renamed to be the body the current Pope headed.
As for Islam, it was "created" by Mohamed for the purpose of giving his troops a belief system to bolster his armies efficiency at despatching infidels. So much for moderation!
I would consider elimination of hunger, universal human rights and equal access to education as "advancing humanity." Religion doesn't prevent any of those things from happening.
Really? So-called "moderate" xians prevent simple rights, such as the right to abortion and marriage for non-heterosexuals. They also prevented, for as long as they could, voting for women basing their opposition on passages from the book of fairy tales (bible). As for equality in education, that is only a recent victory over "moderate" xianity.
Seriously, have you been under a rock your whole life? Oh, that's right, you're 27 or 28 so you weren't around when equal rights for non-Caucasians in the USA was something the "moderate" xians fought against because of supposedly biblical support for, what was essentially, de facto slavery.
What counts as "advancing humanity?" I would consider elimination of hunger, universal human rights and equal access to education as "advancing humanity." Religion doesn't prevent any of those things from happening. Moderate Christianity and moderate Islam have been around just as long or longer than the extreme and fundamental varieties. Fight fundamentalism, the moderates aren't hurting anyone.
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Dawkins had a bit to say about people like you and I believe he is right.
People like me? You're advocating outright conflict. I'm advocating peaceful co-existence. What did Dawkins say about people like me?
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People like me? You're advocating outright conflict. I'm advocating peaceful co-existence. What did Dawkins say about people like me?
You are a classic case of this logical fallacy;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
Where did I say that the truth lies between two extremes? I don't doubt that god fails to exist, but I just don't see the value in forcing everyone else to believe as I do. I don't see that simple lack of religion is going to make someone better at critical thinking. How about this, improve people's critical thinking skills, and let them make their own conclusions.
Fundamentalist Christians PREACH non-toleration. It's a dumb policy, because it makes everyone hate them, sometimes even those who might be sympathetic. For atheists to advocate non-toleration is a gigantic failure to learn from others' mistakes. Atheists already have a social stigma, and to fight fire with fire will make that even worse. In surveys on religious belief, the number of people who cite "no religion" or "no belief" outnumber atheists, and they do not identify as atheists because of the social stigma of doing so.
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Moderate Christianity and moderate Islam have been around just as long or longer than the extreme and fundamental varieties.
Who are you kidding; extreme varieties have been around longer than moderate ones, and they have taken control whenever the opportunity has arisen, which is often. The moderates may have been in the background but it is the extremists in xianity that have had longer lasting, had by far the greater influence and inflicted the greater damage on humanity The Inquisition, for example, only ended in the 1960s and that is only because it was renamed to be the body the current Pope headed.
As for Islam, it was "created" by Mohamed for the purpose of giving his troops a belief system to bolster his armies efficiency at despatching infidels. So much for moderation!
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Who are you kidding; extreme varieties have been around longer than moderate ones, and they have taken control whenever the opportunity has arisen, which is often. The moderates may have been in the background but it is the extremists in xianity that have had longer lasting, had by far the greater influence and inflicted the greater damage on humanity The Inquisition, for example, only ended in the 1960s and that is only because it was renamed to be the body the current Pope headed.
As for Islam, it was "created" by Mohamed for the purpose of giving his troops a belief system to bolster his armies efficiency at despatching infidels. So much for moderation!
I would consider elimination of hunger, universal human rights and equal access to education as "advancing humanity." Religion doesn't prevent any of those things from happening.
Really? So-called "moderate" xians prevent simple rights, such as the right to abortion and marriage for non-heterosexuals. They also prevented, for as long as they could, voting for women basing their opposition on passages from the book of fairy tales (bible). As for equality in education, that is only a recent victory over "moderate" xianity.
Seriously, have you been under a rock your whole life? Oh, that's right, you're 27 or 28 so you weren't around when equal rights for non-Caucasians in the USA was something the "moderate" xians fought against because of supposedly biblical support for, what was essentially, de facto slavery.
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What did Dawkins say about people like me?
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Read the book, The God Delusion, and learn something, maybe about yourself too.
Atheists already have a social stigma,
Atheists already have a social stigma,
Only in the USA, but there is a big world outside your cloistered country. Go and see it. For a supposedly free country not to elect a President unless he or she is god-fearing makes the US a subject of derision and ridicule in the rest of the world.In Australia, being an atheist is something respected by most because it is an acknowledgment that a person has thrown off the shackles of ignorance and superstition.
What you persistently fail to grasp is that there is not a dividing line between religious moderates and extremists; it is a continuum along which people slide depending on the issue. Isn't preventing marriage for gay people an act of terrorism against them? I have a friend, a medical specialist with 30 letters after his name, who happens to be gay. Why won't his human rights be upheld? The answer is because "moderate" xians base their opposition on their religion!
Smell the roses, please, Captain Jack?
What you persistently fail to grasp is that there is not a dividing line between religious moderates and extremists; it is a continuum along which people slide depending on the issue. Isn't preventing marriage for gay people an act of terrorism against them? I have a friend, a medical specialist with 30 letters after his name, who happens to be gay. Why won't his human rights be upheld? The answer is because "moderate" xians base their opposition on their religion!
Smell the roses, please, Captain Jack?
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Oh, that's right, you're 27 or 28 so you weren't around when equal rights for non-Caucasians in the USA was something the "moderate" xians fought against because of supposedly biblical support for, what was essentially, de facto slavery.
What a selective memory you have. The Abolitionist movement was largely religiously motivated.
I've read it. That book is probably responsible for making me an atheist.
When did you become an atheist?
What a selective memory you have. The Abolitionist movement was largely religiously motivated.
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Read the book, The God Delusion, and learn something, maybe about yourself too.
I've read it. That book is probably responsible for making me an atheist.
When did you become an atheist?
I was talking about equal rights in the sixties as de facto slavery because, despite constitutional equality, the reality was far from equality. People went to prison for sitting on "whites" seats on a bus in the sixties. Wages were far from equal, too.
Anyway, abolitionism in the USA stemmed from the constitution, largely written by atheists (or at least closet atheists).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
It is also not without considerable irony that subsequent anti-slavery was a fight between two groups of "moderate" xians.
Since you have asked, I became an atheist in my mid-teens, maybe earlier when I realised that I didn't believe in any fairies and the fairy in the sky was no more plausible than the one at the bottom of the garden. It is probably more accurate to describe it as a slow awakening to reality. Only recently have I realised the groundswell of atheism around the world. It is only in the last 10 years that the realisation of the damage xianity has done and continues to do on humanity in all sorts of areas have I become convinced that religion is a curse on true civilisation.
We need philosophy and public intellectuals to drive us forward, not mindless, tabloid media crap, like we have in Australia.
Anyway, abolitionism in the USA stemmed from the constitution, largely written by atheists (or at least closet atheists).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
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After the American Revolutionary War established the United States, northern states, beginning with Pennsylvania in 1780, passed legislation during the next two decades to abolish slavery, sometimes by gradual emancipation. Massachusetts ratified a constitution that declared all men equal
It is also not without considerable irony that subsequent anti-slavery was a fight between two groups of "moderate" xians.
Since you have asked, I became an atheist in my mid-teens, maybe earlier when I realised that I didn't believe in any fairies and the fairy in the sky was no more plausible than the one at the bottom of the garden. It is probably more accurate to describe it as a slow awakening to reality. Only recently have I realised the groundswell of atheism around the world. It is only in the last 10 years that the realisation of the damage xianity has done and continues to do on humanity in all sorts of areas have I become convinced that religion is a curse on true civilisation.
We need philosophy and public intellectuals to drive us forward, not mindless, tabloid media crap, like we have in Australia.
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Anyway, abolitionism in the USA stemmed from the constitution, largely written by atheists (or at least closet atheists).
Historical revisionism. SOME of the founding fathers (Jefferson and Franklin) were deists, not atheists. Claiming them as atheists is just as bad as Christians claiming them for Christianity.
Maybe you should read the article before claiming it for your movement:
Historical revisionism. SOME of the founding fathers (Jefferson and Franklin) were deists, not atheists. Claiming them as atheists is just as bad as Christians claiming them for Christianity.
Maybe you should read the article before claiming it for your movement:
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In the 17th century English Quakers and evangelical religious groups condemned slavery (by then applied mostly to Africans) as un-Christian; in the 18th century, abolition was part of the message of the First Great Awakening in the Thirteen Colonies; and in the same period, rationalist thinkers of the Enlightenment criticized it for violating the rights of man.
Quakers, evangelicals and rationalists. Crazy, huh?
Care to put that into your own words? Somehow I doubt that you and Douglas Adams came up with the exact same thought independently.
Quakers, evangelicals and rationalists. Crazy, huh?
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I realised that I didn't believe in any fairies and the fairy in the sky was no more plausible than the one at the bottom of the garden
Care to put that into your own words? Somehow I doubt that you and Douglas Adams came up with the exact same thought independently.
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I was talking about equal rights in the sixties as de facto slavery because, despite constitutional equality, the reality was far from equality. People went to prison for sitting on "whites" seats on a bus in the sixties. Wages were far from equal, too.
Anyway, abolitionism in the USA stemmed from the constitution, largely written by atheists (or at least closet atheists).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
It is also not without considerable irony that subsequent anti-slavery was a fight between two groups of "moderate" xians.
Since you have asked, I became an atheist in my mid-teens, maybe earlier when I realised that I didn't believe in any fairies and the fairy in the sky was no more plausible than the one at the bottom of the garden. It is probably more accurate to describe it as a slow awakening to reality. Only recently have I realised the groundswell of atheism around the world. It is only in the last 10 years that the realisation of the damage xianity has done and continues to do on humanity in all sorts of areas have I become convinced that religion is a curse on true civilisation.
We need philosophy and public intellectuals to drive us forward, not mindless, tabloid media crap, like we have in Australia.
interesting . You sure post a lot in the Creation/evolution areas of physics form .
Do you do any science . Do you know any physics ?
I can teach you how to gut an animal . That might be something you might like .
You start at the anus and slit the belly up until you can cut the throat. Then you grab a hold and start pulling and cutting as you go . You don't want to cut the gut sack for the stink will roll out in your face . When you get back down to the anus you got a couple of choices . Ream the anus or saw the bone between the anus and the testicles .
Reaming the anus means you don't need a saw . Your knife will do just fine
Anyway, abolitionism in the USA stemmed from the constitution, largely written by atheists (or at least closet atheists).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
It is also not without considerable irony that subsequent anti-slavery was a fight between two groups of "moderate" xians.
Since you have asked, I became an atheist in my mid-teens, maybe earlier when I realised that I didn't believe in any fairies and the fairy in the sky was no more plausible than the one at the bottom of the garden. It is probably more accurate to describe it as a slow awakening to reality. Only recently have I realised the groundswell of atheism around the world. It is only in the last 10 years that the realisation of the damage xianity has done and continues to do on humanity in all sorts of areas have I become convinced that religion is a curse on true civilisation.
We need philosophy and public intellectuals to drive us forward, not mindless, tabloid media crap, like we have in Australia.
interesting . You sure post a lot in the Creation/evolution areas of physics form .
Do you do any science . Do you know any physics ?
I can teach you how to gut an animal . That might be something you might like .
You start at the anus and slit the belly up until you can cut the throat. Then you grab a hold and start pulling and cutting as you go . You don't want to cut the gut sack for the stink will roll out in your face . When you get back down to the anus you got a couple of choices . Ream the anus or saw the bone between the anus and the testicles .
Reaming the anus means you don't need a saw . Your knife will do just fine
@fbm
I haven't ever read anything by Douglas Adams and I watched Hitch Hikers Guide for about 10 minutes because I found it trite and boring. Call it co-incidence then. Though, now I apply myself, I think I can recollect Dawkins saying something along similar lines.
I wouldn't knowingly post anything said by some one else without some attribution. You must have read Douglas Adams; I have no interest and no intention.
The US constitution was deliberately framed to exclude any and all religion from public life. I said this;
I haven't ever read anything by Douglas Adams and I watched Hitch Hikers Guide for about 10 minutes because I found it trite and boring. Call it co-incidence then. Though, now I apply myself, I think I can recollect Dawkins saying something along similar lines.
I wouldn't knowingly post anything said by some one else without some attribution. You must have read Douglas Adams; I have no interest and no intention.
The US constitution was deliberately framed to exclude any and all religion from public life. I said this; largely written by atheists
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I realised that I didn't believe in any fairies and the fairy in the sky was no more plausible than the one at the bottom of the garden.
I haven't ever read anything by Douglas Adams and I watched Hitch Hikers Guide for about 10 minutes because I found it trite and boring. Call it co-incidence then. Though, now I apply myself, I think I can recollect Dawkins saying something along similar lines.
I wouldn't knowingly post anything said by some one else without some attribution. You must have read Douglas Adams; I have no interest and no intention.
The US constitution was deliberately framed to exclude any and all religion from public life. I said this;
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I haven't ever read anything by Douglas Adams and I watched Hitch Hikers Guide for about 10 minutes because I found it trite and boring. Call it co-incidence then. Though, now I apply myself, I think I can recollect Dawkins saying something along similar lines.
I wouldn't knowingly post anything said by some one else without some attribution. You must have read Douglas Adams; I have no interest and no intention.
The US constitution was deliberately framed to exclude any and all religion from public life. I said this; largely written by atheists
You are taking a context that suits you.
@Mekigal,
Thank you for your kind offer but I can gut an animal. I have done many when I was much younger. I also worked in abatoirs during school holidays. I'm not sure what your point of your offer is, however, I'm fairly certain it is an endeavour to claim some superiority in a juvenile way.
Some, having studied engineering but, again, what is the point of your question? Knowing you, it would be an attempt to show you are clever while everyone else knows you are not.
@Mekigal,
Thank you for your kind offer but I can gut an animal. I have done many when I was much younger. I also worked in abatoirs during school holidays. I'm not sure what your point of your offer is, however, I'm fairly certain it is an endeavour to claim some superiority in a juvenile way.
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interesting . You sure post a lot in the Creation/evolution areas of physics form .
Do you do any science . Do you know any physics ?
Do you do any science . Do you know any physics ?
Some, having studied engineering but, again, what is the point of your question? Knowing you, it would be an attempt to show you are clever while everyone else knows you are not.
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I haven't ever read anything by Douglas Adams and I watched Hitch Hikers Guide for about 10 minutes because I found it trite and boring. Call it co-incidence then. Though, now I apply myself, I think I can recollect Dawkins saying something along similar lines.
Dawkins explicitly quoted Adams in his intro to The God Delusion.
You knew that Dawkins said it, yet you phrased it as if it were your original reason for disbelieving.
You knew that Dawkins said it, yet you phrased it as if it were your original reason for disbelieving.
The US constitution was deliberately framed to exclude any and all religion from public life. I said this; You are taking a context that suits you.
Way to dodge that one. It was not written by atheists. It's that simple.
You also ignored my refutation of your assertions about abolitionism. This is one instance where religious people deserve some credit, and you dodged it.
Get off the weed!
Get off the weed!
You knew that Dawkins said it, yet you phrased it as if it were your original reason for disbelieving.
Dawkins explicitly quoted Adams in his intro to The God Delusion.
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I wouldn't knowingly post anything said by some one else without some attribution.
You knew that Dawkins said it, yet you phrased it as if it were your original reason for disbelieving.
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You knew that Dawkins said it, yet you phrased it as if it were your original reason for disbelieving.
The US constitution was deliberately framed to exclude any and all religion from public life. I said this; You are taking a context that suits you.
Way to dodge that one. It was not written by atheists. It's that simple.
You also ignored my refutation of your assertions about abolitionism. This is one instance where religious people deserve some credit, and you dodged it.
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@fbm
I haven't ever read anything by Douglas Adams and I watched Hitch Hikers Guide for about 10 minutes because I found it trite and boring. Call it co-incidence then. Though, now I apply myself, I think I can recollect Dawkins saying something along similar lines.
I wouldn't knowingly post anything said by some one else without some attribution. You must have read Douglas Adams; I have no interest and no intention.
The US constitution was deliberately framed to exclude any and all religion from public life. I said this; You are taking a context that suits you.
@Mekigal,
Thank you for your kind offer but I can gut an animal. I have done many when I was much younger. I also worked in abatoirs during school holidays. I'm not sure what your point of your offer is, however, I'm fairly certain it is an endeavour to claim some superiority in a juvenile way.
Some, having studied engineering but, again, what is the point of your question? Knowing you, it would be an attempt to show you are clever while everyone else knows you are not.
No I don't think our try to be superior to you or any one . What is up with that ? No I am ore of a mimic than anything . A mirror so it is no surprise you gut animals . Call it a gift . Fairy like .
Anyway are you a musician or just appreciate. I love just about any musician rude indifferent or full of sappy child rearing attributes . Kids are neglected .
Well man tell Me what you play before a brake a finger
I haven't ever read anything by Douglas Adams and I watched Hitch Hikers Guide for about 10 minutes because I found it trite and boring. Call it co-incidence then. Though, now I apply myself, I think I can recollect Dawkins saying something along similar lines.
I wouldn't knowingly post anything said by some one else without some attribution. You must have read Douglas Adams; I have no interest and no intention.
The US constitution was deliberately framed to exclude any and all religion from public life. I said this; You are taking a context that suits you.
@Mekigal,
Thank you for your kind offer but I can gut an animal. I have done many when I was much younger. I also worked in abatoirs during school holidays. I'm not sure what your point of your offer is, however, I'm fairly certain it is an endeavour to claim some superiority in a juvenile way.
Some, having studied engineering but, again, what is the point of your question? Knowing you, it would be an attempt to show you are clever while everyone else knows you are not.
No I don't think our try to be superior to you or any one . What is up with that ? No I am ore of a mimic than anything . A mirror so it is no surprise you gut animals . Call it a gift . Fairy like .
Anyway are you a musician or just appreciate. I love just about any musician rude indifferent or full of sappy child rearing attributes . Kids are neglected .
Well man tell Me what you play before a brake a finger
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No I don't think our try to be superior to you or any one . What is up with that ? No I am ore of a mimic than anything . A mirror so it is no surprise you gut animals . Call it a gift . Fairy like .
Anyway are you a musician or just appreciate. I love just about any musician rude indifferent or full of sappy child rearing attributes . Kids are neglected .
Well man tell Me what you play before a brake a finger
Anyway are you a musician or just appreciate. I love just about any musician rude indifferent or full of sappy child rearing attributes . Kids are neglected .
Well man tell Me what you play before a brake a finger
Get off the weed!
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| No I don't think our try to be superior to you or any one . What is up with that ? No I am ore of a mimic than anything . A mirror so it is no surprise you gut animals . Call it a gift . Fairy like . Anyway are you a musician or just appreciate. I love just about any musician rude indifferent or full of sappy child rearing attributes . Kids are neglected . Well man tell Me what you play before a brake a finger |
Get off the weed!
You knew that Dawkins said it, yet you phrased it as if it were your original reason for disbelieving.
Either you are calling me a liar or you think you can read my mind. Either way, you are wrong.
I wrote something using my own thoughts. I didn't deliberately quote, or misquote, anyone. I may be many things but I'm not a liar. I used a similar expression before I read Dawkins' book. Does that may Dawkins a plagiarist?
I wrote something using my own thoughts. I didn't deliberately quote, or misquote, anyone. I may be many things but I'm not a liar. I used a similar expression before I read Dawkins' book. Does that may Dawkins a plagiarist?
This is one instance where religious people deserve some credit, and you dodged it.
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Dawkins explicitly quoted Adams in his intro to The God Delusion.
I wrote something using my own thoughts. I didn't deliberately quote, or misquote, anyone. I may be many things but I'm not a liar. I used a similar expression before I read Dawkins' book. Does that may Dawkins a plagiarist?
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I wrote something using my own thoughts. I didn't deliberately quote, or misquote, anyone. I may be many things but I'm not a liar. I used a similar expression before I read Dawkins' book. Does that may Dawkins a plagiarist?
This is one instance where religious people deserve some credit, and you dodged it.
Did they do it for the right reasons?
There is one thing about you, Captain Jack, and that is; you can't get away from the minutiae. You love petty little battles and even more petty "wins". In Australian parlance, you would be classified as a "flog".
You also have some difficulty being an atheist, I believe, particularly since you had a strong religious upbringing. You "want" to think your family and parents are good people despite their religion. In short, you are also a namby-pamby without the strength of your convictions. You need to argue here because you can't do it with your family. I argue the same without regard to who the dialogue is with.
There is one thing about you, Captain Jack, and that is; you can't get away from the minutiae. You love petty little battles and even more petty "wins". In Australian parlance, you would be classified as a "flog".
You also have some difficulty being an atheist, I believe, particularly since you had a strong religious upbringing. You "want" to think your family and parents are good people despite their religion. In short, you are also a namby-pamby without the strength of your convictions. You need to argue here because you can't do it with your family. I argue the same without regard to who the dialogue is with.
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Did they do it for the right reasons?
What reasons do you consider to be "right?" Is considering slavery to be immoral a "right" reason? I'd certainly say so. Was their immoral objection inspired by god? Definitely not. It just so happens that a couple groups of christians stopped and actually asked themselves whether something was moral. Maybe it was their faith, maybe it was another factor. My point is that religion isn't always a bad thing, even if you and I disagree with it.
So I'm guessing that you'd rather paint in broad strokes and ignore the details?
You're preaching intolerance, and that's why I'm going after you.
What reasons do you consider to be "right?" Is considering slavery to be immoral a "right" reason? I'd certainly say so. Was their immoral objection inspired by god? Definitely not. It just so happens that a couple groups of christians stopped and actually asked themselves whether something was moral. Maybe it was their faith, maybe it was another factor. My point is that religion isn't always a bad thing, even if you and I disagree with it.
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you can't get away from the minutiae
So I'm guessing that you'd rather paint in broad strokes and ignore the details?
You're preaching intolerance, and that's why I'm going after you.
Captain Jack,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
In the 17th century English Quakers and evangelical religious groups condemned slavery (by then applied mostly to Africans) as un-Christian;
I haven't been whipped with wilted lettuce before so I suppose it is happening now; hard to tell though since it is so ineffectual.
I haven't been whipped with wilted lettuce before so I suppose it is happening now; hard to tell though since it is so ineffectual.
My point is that religion isn't always a bad thing, even if you and I disagree with it.
The point, grasshopper, is that, at some point, it will be bad. You have ignored my points about current human rights being trodden on by "moderate" xians. Why?
I don't want the failure of religion to happen in x generations; I want to stop it now.
I don't want the failure of religion to happen in x generations; I want to stop it now.
If I had a choice between exterminating racism and exterminating religion, I would kill racism twice.
Kill religion and you undermine most of the basis of all prejudice, particularly racism. This despite that, if Jesus had existed, he would have had dark skin. i can never but laugh at that irony.
Destroy the framework and they need to examine a belief system based on reason, if they are capable.
Why don't you do everyone a favour and ban yourself?
Only a few?
This is an English language forum.
Disingenuous, at best!
Indians are Hindus and Pakistanis are Muslims and that is the very reason there are two countries! When India was granted independence by the British, it was only one country.
Sunnis and Shiites only fight because one group doesn't believe, among a couple of things, that Mohammed took a six year old wife and consummated the marriage when she was nine.
Actually, getting rid of Islam would solve many problems but it only would allow the loony xians an upper hand. Another Bush and the world would be stuffed!
Anyway, back to "moderate" xians. Are they the same ones who condemn countries to burgeoning overpopulation because some bloke who wears a dress (and who has not ever had a r**t) says you can't use birth control? Is it the same "moderates" who want to ban stem cell therapy which has the potential to save lives and make agonising lives pain free? Is it the same who failed to condemn the fatwah on Salman Rushdie because he had "offended" the memory of a murdering warlord? (Yep, let's not re-write history; that is what the "prophet" was. The Koran says so.)
as well as the added example (as well). Your (You're) quite the prompt helper
Nope(sic), I just have a respect for the language that is not accorded by many of my fellow posters. I choose to respect the language and, in turn, it shows a respect for other posters by posting in the language the forum operates in. Those who do otherwise either can't write properly or are too bl**dy lazy. Either way, it behoves them to improve their skills.
My terms? I take it that you are trying to insult me. If so, please be clever about it? This dross won't cut it. As for "angry"; why would you construe that unless you limitations on the breadth of your comprehension and the commensurate limitations of intellect?
Nope(sic), I just have a respect for the language that is not accorded by many of my fellow posters. I choose to respect the language and, in turn, it shows a respect for other posters by posting in the language the forum operates in. Those who do otherwise either can't write properly or are too bl**dy lazy. Either way, it behoves them to improve their skills.
My terms? I take it that you are trying to insult me. If so, please be clever about it? This dross won't cut it. As for "angry"; why would you construe that unless you limitations on the breadth of your comprehension and the commensurate limitations of intellect?
I suppose if I was to ask what you intend to do with all the dead bodies of the religious you plan to stack like cord-wood
Hmm, many typing errors? Are you prone to hyperbole at all? I do make mistakes but I don't use "your" where the word should be "you're", which you do repeatedly. Don't throw rocks when ALL of your walls are glass!
Three projects? Gosh, you must be very important to have three separate projects at once". Strangely, I have many things on the go at the same time but 1. I don't boast about it, and 2. I try not do any or all of them in a half-arsed manner. I also note your remark about secretarial assistance. Gee, you must be REALLY important, or is it you can't distinguish between importance and self-importance?
I've just seen your later post; my guess is self-importance.
Anally complain? So, if I ask for you to use correct English because of (your now admitted lack of adequate attention), that makes me "anal". I take it that you believe attack is the best form of defence, even for the indefensible?
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Was their immoral objection inspired by god? Definitely not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
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| Was their immoral objection inspired by god? Definitely not. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism
In the 17th century English Quakers and evangelical religious groups condemned slavery (by then applied mostly to Africans) as un-Christian;
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You're preaching intolerance, and that's why I'm going after you.
I haven't been whipped with wilted lettuce before so I suppose it is happening now; hard to tell though since it is so ineffectual.
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I haven't been whipped with wilted lettuce before so I suppose it is happening now; hard to tell though since it is so ineffectual.
My point is that religion isn't always a bad thing, even if you and I disagree with it.
The point, grasshopper, is that, at some point, it will be bad. You have ignored my points about current human rights being trodden on by "moderate" xians. Why?
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Anyway are you a musician or just appreciate.
Well, my fruity colleague, you finally got something right. I love music even though I can't sing or play a note to save my life. I have built my own three way active speakers (speakers with four amplifiers in each box) so the music is crystal clear and beautiful, even when very, very loud. I have music on all day, every day. It is the food of life and I love it! It makes me very happy to hear the beautiful creations of talented people.
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The point, grasshopper, is that, at some point, it will be bad.
How is religion different from any other human delusion? Why don't you go after racism and superstition? What is it about religion that you think is so much worse than humanity's other problems?
You and I are working off of the same exact information. I am well aware of christian prejudice against atheists. They're losing that fight, as each generation becomes less and less religious. We'll see the same problem with racism as predominately white countries become more and more racially diverse. I don't feel threatened by religious people. They're making themselves look like idiots while I act like a normal human being. If I were to engage them at their level, they would feel completely vindicated. What I can say that I've taken away from religion is an understanding of the christian martyr complex. The best way to build up a christian's ego is to make them feel oppressed.
How is religion different from any other human delusion? Why don't you go after racism and superstition? What is it about religion that you think is so much worse than humanity's other problems?
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You have ignored my points about current human rights being trodden on by "moderate" xians. Why?
You and I are working off of the same exact information. I am well aware of christian prejudice against atheists. They're losing that fight, as each generation becomes less and less religious. We'll see the same problem with racism as predominately white countries become more and more racially diverse. I don't feel threatened by religious people. They're making themselves look like idiots while I act like a normal human being. If I were to engage them at their level, they would feel completely vindicated. What I can say that I've taken away from religion is an understanding of the christian martyr complex. The best way to build up a christian's ego is to make them feel oppressed.
Captain,
When I come upon racism, superstition or anything else, such as pseudo-medicine, I do confront the person (in real life). My wife cringes but better to confront bad thinking than let it fester. I have black, Asian and what ever friends but ONLY if they pass the reasonable person test. I don't associate with @rseholes, irrespective of their colour or ethnicity. As an example, my gay mate wants to f--k me but I just want a platonic friendship. He is a nice bloke regardless of his sexuality and I enjoy his company and conversations.
Religion, generally, doesn't go away, nor is it overtly prejudicial. It is covert and damaging, and that won't stop. Why can't a woman have an abortion without being victimised? Why can't my gay friends get married, if they want (and find out why less straight people are doing it
)? Why can't an atheist be elected to the presidency of your weird country? Why don't xians stop rallying against homosexuality? Why don't xians let people go about their lives without covert interference? We have/had a senator in this country who really believes in the creation story and he is an engineer. Some public health and other legislation was stopped because of this half-wit. The point is he elected by "moderate" xians who wanted a xian perspective in parliament.
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How is religion different from any other human delusion? Why don't you go after racism and superstition? What is it about religion that you think is so much worse than humanity's other problems?
When I come upon racism, superstition or anything else, such as pseudo-medicine, I do confront the person (in real life). My wife cringes but better to confront bad thinking than let it fester. I have black, Asian and what ever friends but ONLY if they pass the reasonable person test. I don't associate with @rseholes, irrespective of their colour or ethnicity. As an example, my gay mate wants to f--k me but I just want a platonic friendship. He is a nice bloke regardless of his sexuality and I enjoy his company and conversations.
Religion, generally, doesn't go away, nor is it overtly prejudicial. It is covert and damaging, and that won't stop. Why can't a woman have an abortion without being victimised? Why can't my gay friends get married, if they want (and find out why less straight people are doing it
)? Why can't an atheist be elected to the presidency of your weird country? Why don't xians stop rallying against homosexuality? Why don't xians let people go about their lives without covert interference? We have/had a senator in this country who really believes in the creation story and he is an engineer. Some public health and other legislation was stopped because of this half-wit. The point is he elected by "moderate" xians who wanted a xian perspective in parliament.
I totally agree that religion can be destructive and generally terrible, but I don't see how not having religion will make people better. I'd much rather attack opinions like homophobia, atheist-phobia and misogyny individually, instead of attacking the religion as a whole. People can still have all of those problems without religion. They're also much more likely to listen if you work within their belief framework.
I don't know what racism is like in Australia, but in the USA, it's pretty bad. Anybody who isn't descended from northern Europeans gets a degree of it. Even our president is accused of being a foreigner because of widely-held racist views. Immigrants from Latin America get all kinds of sh*t despite being the hardest-working people in the country. If I had a choice between exterminating racism and exterminating religion, I would kill racism twice.
I don't know what racism is like in Australia, but in the USA, it's pretty bad. Anybody who isn't descended from northern Europeans gets a degree of it. Even our president is accused of being a foreigner because of widely-held racist views. Immigrants from Latin America get all kinds of sh*t despite being the hardest-working people in the country. If I had a choice between exterminating racism and exterminating religion, I would kill racism twice.
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They're losing that fight, as each generation becomes less and less religious.
I don't want the failure of religion to happen in x generations; I want to stop it now.
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I don't want the failure of religion to happen in x generations; I want to stop it now.
If I had a choice between exterminating racism and exterminating religion, I would kill racism twice.
Kill religion and you undermine most of the basis of all prejudice, particularly racism. This despite that, if Jesus had existed, he would have had dark skin. i can never but laugh at that irony.
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They're also much more likely to listen if you work within their belief framework.
Destroy the framework and they need to examine a belief system based on reason, if they are capable.
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Kill religion and you undermine most of the basis of all prejudice, particularly racism.
That's only true in a few cases.
Look at Japan, they have one of the largest atheist populations in the world, and racism is totally rampant. Cultural hatred of another race doesn't necessarily tie to religion.
In the case of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, yes, absolutely. Remove religion from that situation and you'll definitely see an improvement.
That's only true in a few cases.
Look at Japan, they have one of the largest atheist populations in the world, and racism is totally rampant. Cultural hatred of another race doesn't necessarily tie to religion.
In the case of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, yes, absolutely. Remove religion from that situation and you'll definitely see an improvement.
We all have in common the need to recreate the atmosphere of our childhood home interior and exterior existence, with the foreign outside world crowd we are forced to live amongst. This can be a futile and silly request, and a strain on the world as a whole.
It is more likely that, if one must defend their beliefs to a state of anger, one is probably wrong in those beliefs. If that were true, then all truths would have been silenced over time, having not defended themselves.
Ooo, I sound so Gandhi tonight, let me slip into a diaper and get skinny!
(The first answer is nitrogen, but I didn't hang around for the bulky commercialized page-changes. If someone wants to put all the questions on one page, I would finish the quiz--otherwise...rapples!)
It is more likely that, if one must defend their beliefs to a state of anger, one is probably wrong in those beliefs. If that were true, then all truths would have been silenced over time, having not defended themselves.
Ooo, I sound so Gandhi tonight, let me slip into a diaper and get skinny!
(The first answer is nitrogen, but I didn't hang around for the bulky commercialized page-changes. If someone wants to put all the questions on one page, I would finish the quiz--otherwise...rapples!)
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We all have in common the need to recreate the atmosphere of our childhood home interior and exterior existence, with the foreign outside world crowd we are forced to live amongst. This can be a futile and silly request, and a strain on the world as a whole.
Why don't you do everyone a favour and ban yourself?
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That's only true in a few cases.
Only a few?
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Only a few?
the whole system could dismantle. What is said is Jefferson copy and pasted the bible . Those guys were what they called enlightened . Also when they referred to The People they were talking about White Males of European heritage. They didn't even consider Irish human beings . The object was the new world also . They called it the great experiment . A guy by the name of Penn was part to blame . He gathered what he called enlightened Men and gave them land in the new world . A bunch of then were Protestant. It was a result of the Protestant Reformation. The idea that the common people could hold God as a private relationship .
After the 30 year wars they came to an agreement called the Peace Of Westphalia.
They were losers in the deal . Got the short end of the stick . Well Penn became a protestant . It was like 50 years after the peace of Westphalia and he was giving out land grants so the people could make there heavenly earth .
Colonialism had reached the America in full swing and the great migration to the new lands ( by European measurements not the Native peoples, new lands that is ) had begun . The land grab was on .
My first father got a land tittle straight from William Penn and it was to far out of town , so he went back over seas and obtained a smaller plot of land closer in from William Penn's wife . There is a letter from 1745 or there about that documents this , It was written by a one grand Daughter of Herman Grothauen named Jan . Herman is the second entry of the church log dating about 1710 I think ? That was St.Micheal's Church in German Town Pennsylvania which is the Greater Philadelphia area now . The church is still there and so is the old Grothausen farm house that Herman's son and him built.
They were all extremely religious / prejudiced. They hated Catholics just as much and maybe even more so because of the freshness of the 30 year wars still looming . So the bottom line was that the bible gave them the authority to think them selves superior to all other people woman child or anyone who didn't think like them . They were not considered enlightened . Yeah a lot of them were Masons but I have no evidence of the Grothausens being Masons . They might have been .
They said Jefferson struggled with who All Men were but the group settled on white males, Some say he gave his slaves freedom in the end but by 1801 or there about slavery was being looked down on by a world consensus growing . That lead to Haiti"s fight for freedom and winning Independence , The only black nation to do so is the saying. Connected maybe not but it had become an issue whether slavery was moral at the same time so they seems connected to me . Things went south real fast when the Stono Rebellion happened and a new act passed by congress gave permission for slave owners to beat and kill there slaves as they were deemed property by the act . I think it was 109 black men killed and 9 white men killed and the 9 whitey's was enough to stir panic in the white populace as to pressure congress into passing the act. The events are true and correct . Slavery and racism took a back step at that time and stifled the U.S. advancement of equality that was starting to emerge. The Black Man became full fledged property and a commodity .
the whole system could dismantle. What is said is Jefferson copy and pasted the bible . Those guys were what they called enlightened . Also when they referred to The People they were talking about White Males of European heritage. They didn't even consider Irish human beings . The object was the new world also . They called it the great experiment . A guy by the name of Penn was part to blame . He gathered what he called enlightened Men and gave them land in the new world . A bunch of then were Protestant. It was a result of the Protestant Reformation. The idea that the common people could hold God as a private relationship .
After the 30 year wars they came to an agreement called the Peace Of Westphalia.
They were losers in the deal . Got the short end of the stick . Well Penn became a protestant . It was like 50 years after the peace of Westphalia and he was giving out land grants so the people could make there heavenly earth .
Colonialism had reached the America in full swing and the great migration to the new lands ( by European measurements not the Native peoples, new lands that is ) had begun . The land grab was on .
My first father got a land tittle straight from William Penn and it was to far out of town , so he went back over seas and obtained a smaller plot of land closer in from William Penn's wife . There is a letter from 1745 or there about that documents this , It was written by a one grand Daughter of Herman Grothauen named Jan . Herman is the second entry of the church log dating about 1710 I think ? That was St.Micheal's Church in German Town Pennsylvania which is the Greater Philadelphia area now . The church is still there and so is the old Grothausen farm house that Herman's son and him built.
They were all extremely religious / prejudiced. They hated Catholics just as much and maybe even more so because of the freshness of the 30 year wars still looming . So the bottom line was that the bible gave them the authority to think them selves superior to all other people woman child or anyone who didn't think like them . They were not considered enlightened . Yeah a lot of them were Masons but I have no evidence of the Grothausens being Masons . They might have been .
They said Jefferson struggled with who All Men were but the group settled on white males, Some say he gave his slaves freedom in the end but by 1801 or there about slavery was being looked down on by a world consensus growing . That lead to Haiti"s fight for freedom and winning Independence , The only black nation to do so is the saying. Connected maybe not but it had become an issue whether slavery was moral at the same time so they seems connected to me . Things went south real fast when the Stono Rebellion happened and a new act passed by congress gave permission for slave owners to beat and kill there slaves as they were deemed property by the act . I think it was 109 black men killed and 9 white men killed and the 9 whitey's was enough to stir panic in the white populace as to pressure congress into passing the act. The events are true and correct . Slavery and racism took a back step at that time and stifled the U.S. advancement of equality that was starting to emerge. The Black Man became full fledged property and a commodity .
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the whole system could dismantle. What is said is Jefferson copy and pasted the bible . Those guys were what they called enlightened . Also when they referred to The People they were talking about White Males of European heritage. They didn't even consider Irish human beings . The object was the new world also . They called it the great experiment . A guy by the name of Penn was part to blame . He gathered what he called enlightened Men and gave them land in the new world . A bunch of then were Protestant. It was a result of the Protestant Reformation. The idea that the common people could hold God as a private relationship .
After the 30 year wars they came to an agreement called the Peace Of Westphalia.
They were losers in the deal . Got the short end of the stick . Well Penn became a protestant . It was like 50 years after the peace of Westphalia and he was giving out land grants so the people could make there heavenly earth .
Colonialism had reached the America in full swing and the great migration to the new lands ( by European measurements not the Native peoples, new lands that is ) had begun . The land grab was on .
My first father got a land tittle straight from William Penn and it was to far out of town , so he went back over seas and obtained a smaller plot of land closer in from William Penn's wife . There is a letter from 1745 or there about that documents this , It was written by a one grand Daughter of Herman Grothauen named Jan . Herman is the second entry of the church log dating about 1710 I think ? That was St.Micheal's Church in German Town Pennsylvania which is the Greater Philadelphia area now . The church is still there and so is the old Grothausen farm house that Herman's son and him built.
They were all extremely religious / prejudiced. They hated Catholics just as much and maybe even more so because of the freshness of the 30 year wars still looming . So the bottom line was that the bible gave them the authority to think them selves superior to all other people woman child or anyone who didn't think like them . They were not considered enlightened . Yeah a lot of them were Masons but I have no evidence of the Grothausens being Masons . They might have been .
They said Jefferson struggled with who All Men were but the group settled on white males, Some say he gave his slaves freedom in the end but by 1801 or there about slavery was being looked down on by a world consensus growing . That lead to Haiti"s fight for freedom and winning Independence , The only black nation to do so is the saying. Connected maybe not but it had become an issue whether slavery was moral at the same time so they seems connected to me . Things went south real fast when the Stono Rebellion happened and a new act passed by congress gave permission for slave owners to beat and kill there slaves as they were deemed property by the act . I think it was 109 black men killed and 9 white men killed and the 9 whitey's was enough to stir panic in the white populace as to pressure congress into passing the act. The events are true and correct . Slavery and racism took a back step at that time and stifled the U.S. advancement of equality that was starting to emerge. The Black Man became full fledged property and a commodity .
After the 30 year wars they came to an agreement called the Peace Of Westphalia.
They were losers in the deal . Got the short end of the stick . Well Penn became a protestant . It was like 50 years after the peace of Westphalia and he was giving out land grants so the people could make there heavenly earth .
Colonialism had reached the America in full swing and the great migration to the new lands ( by European measurements not the Native peoples, new lands that is ) had begun . The land grab was on .
My first father got a land tittle straight from William Penn and it was to far out of town , so he went back over seas and obtained a smaller plot of land closer in from William Penn's wife . There is a letter from 1745 or there about that documents this , It was written by a one grand Daughter of Herman Grothauen named Jan . Herman is the second entry of the church log dating about 1710 I think ? That was St.Micheal's Church in German Town Pennsylvania which is the Greater Philadelphia area now . The church is still there and so is the old Grothausen farm house that Herman's son and him built.
They were all extremely religious / prejudiced. They hated Catholics just as much and maybe even more so because of the freshness of the 30 year wars still looming . So the bottom line was that the bible gave them the authority to think them selves superior to all other people woman child or anyone who didn't think like them . They were not considered enlightened . Yeah a lot of them were Masons but I have no evidence of the Grothausens being Masons . They might have been .
They said Jefferson struggled with who All Men were but the group settled on white males, Some say he gave his slaves freedom in the end but by 1801 or there about slavery was being looked down on by a world consensus growing . That lead to Haiti"s fight for freedom and winning Independence , The only black nation to do so is the saying. Connected maybe not but it had become an issue whether slavery was moral at the same time so they seems connected to me . Things went south real fast when the Stono Rebellion happened and a new act passed by congress gave permission for slave owners to beat and kill there slaves as they were deemed property by the act . I think it was 109 black men killed and 9 white men killed and the 9 whitey's was enough to stir panic in the white populace as to pressure congress into passing the act. The events are true and correct . Slavery and racism took a back step at that time and stifled the U.S. advancement of equality that was starting to emerge. The Black Man became full fledged property and a commodity .
This is an English language forum.
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Only a few?
Yes, only a few. It's not a sure thing at all that two groups will mesh once the religious element is removed. Would Indians and Pakistanis forget decades of animosity? Would ex-Sunnis and ex-Shiites forget centuries of warfare? The divide is not just religious, it is cultural also.
Yes, only a few. It's not a sure thing at all that two groups will mesh once the religious element is removed. Would Indians and Pakistanis forget decades of animosity? Would ex-Sunnis and ex-Shiites forget centuries of warfare? The divide is not just religious, it is cultural also.
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This is an English language forum.
sorry i only speak ghetto American. Trailer talk .
sorry i only speak ghetto American. Trailer talk .
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Thank you Phys, for that highlight of my point, as well as the added example as well. Your quite the prompt helper.
When time allows me ample schedule, I'll request from the moderator a position here at "Creation/Evolution" --an opportunity to do just that. Right after I ban a few impertinent tongues that cross the line into "provocative language abuse" worse than my own.
That was a diplomatic way of saying "never".
When time allows me ample schedule, I'll request from the moderator a position here at "Creation/Evolution" --an opportunity to do just that. Right after I ban a few impertinent tongues that cross the line into "provocative language abuse" worse than my own.
That was a diplomatic way of saying "never".
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Aug 15 2012, 07:56 PM)
That was a diplomatic way of saying "never".
Thank you for properly handling that .
Thank you for properly handling that .
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Would Indians and Pakistanis forget decades of animosity? Would ex-Sunnis and ex-Shiites forget centuries of warfare? The divide is not just religious, it is cultural also.
Disingenuous, at best!
Indians are Hindus and Pakistanis are Muslims and that is the very reason there are two countries! When India was granted independence by the British, it was only one country.
Sunnis and Shiites only fight because one group doesn't believe, among a couple of things, that Mohammed took a six year old wife and consummated the marriage when she was nine.
Actually, getting rid of Islam would solve many problems but it only would allow the loony xians an upper hand. Another Bush and the world would be stuffed!
Anyway, back to "moderate" xians. Are they the same ones who condemn countries to burgeoning overpopulation because some bloke who wears a dress (and who has not ever had a r**t) says you can't use birth control? Is it the same "moderates" who want to ban stem cell therapy which has the potential to save lives and make agonising lives pain free? Is it the same who failed to condemn the fatwah on Salman Rushdie because he had "offended" the memory of a murdering warlord? (Yep, let's not re-write history; that is what the "prophet" was. The Koran says so.)
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as well as the added example (as well). Your (You're) quite the prompt helper
My aren't we the angry spirit. I suppose if I was to ask what you intend to do with all the dead bodies of the religious you plan to stack like cord-wood....Let's first discus your terms for secretarial staff management position. That is where you were going?
I'm just kidding. Let's hear your plan.
I'm just kidding. Let's hear your plan.
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My aren't we the angry spirit. ......... Let's first discus your terms for secretarial staff management position. That is where you were going?
Nope(sic), I just have a respect for the language that is not accorded by many of my fellow posters. I choose to respect the language and, in turn, it shows a respect for other posters by posting in the language the forum operates in. Those who do otherwise either can't write properly or are too bl**dy lazy. Either way, it behoves them to improve their skills.
My terms? I take it that you are trying to insult me. If so, please be clever about it? This dross won't cut it. As for "angry"; why would you construe that unless you limitations on the breadth of your comprehension and the commensurate limitations of intellect?
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Nope(sic), I just have a respect for the language that is not accorded by many of my fellow posters. I choose to respect the language and, in turn, it shows a respect for other posters by posting in the language the forum operates in. Those who do otherwise either can't write properly or are too bl**dy lazy. Either way, it behoves them to improve their skills.
My terms? I take it that you are trying to insult me. If so, please be clever about it? This dross won't cut it. As for "angry"; why would you construe that unless you limitations on the breadth of your comprehension and the commensurate limitations of intellect?
I suppose if I was to ask what you intend to do with all the dead bodies of the religious you plan to stack like cord-wood
I think your image of killing people says more about your thought processes than mine.
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Nope(sic), I just have a respect for the language that is not accorded by many of my fellow posters. I choose to respect the language and, in turn, it shows a respect for other posters by posting in the language the forum operates in. Those who do otherwise either can't write properly or are too bl**dy lazy. Either way, it behoves them to improve their skills.
My terms? I take it that you are trying to insult me. If so, please be clever about it? This dross won't cut it. As for "angry"; why would you construe that unless you limitations on the breadth of your comprehension and the commensurate limitations of intellect?
I think your image of killing people says more about your thought processes than mine.
Have you ever pushed water? You sneak up on it or you will never be able to push it .
It was the 80s and we had a pool . The pool lay out was in a circle and above ground with a vinyl liner . You had to start slow and match the momentum of the moving water.
The children loved it for pushing on the water in a mono motion all converging in the center of the pool raised the children to heights of about 8ft above the ground or bottom of the pool . My wife took pictures so we could later look at the total impact of the rising water.
It was fun and the children loved every minute of it . It was a mono wave and it looked like a translucent creature of it self .
Humans are 90% water ? Is that about right?
My terms? I take it that you are trying to insult me. If so, please be clever about it? This dross won't cut it. As for "angry"; why would you construe that unless you limitations on the breadth of your comprehension and the commensurate limitations of intellect?
I think your image of killing people says more about your thought processes than mine.
Have you ever pushed water? You sneak up on it or you will never be able to push it .
It was the 80s and we had a pool . The pool lay out was in a circle and above ground with a vinyl liner . You had to start slow and match the momentum of the moving water.
The children loved it for pushing on the water in a mono motion all converging in the center of the pool raised the children to heights of about 8ft above the ground or bottom of the pool . My wife took pictures so we could later look at the total impact of the rising water.
It was fun and the children loved every minute of it . It was a mono wave and it looked like a translucent creature of it self .
Humans are 90% water ? Is that about right?
QUOTE (Physfan+Aug 15 2012, 09:11 PM)
Nope(sic), I just have a respect for the language that is not accorded by many of my fellow posters. I choose to respect the language and, in turn, it shows a respect for other posters by posting in the language the forum operates in. Those who do otherwise either can't write properly or are too bl**dy lazy. Either way, it behoves them to improve their skills.
My terms? I take it that you are trying to insult me. If so, please be clever about it? This dross won't cut it. As for "angry"; why would you construe that unless you limitations on the breadth of your comprehension and the commensurate limitations of intellect?
I think your image of killing people says more about your thought processes than mine.
I'm not one to point out your many typing errors, except when they are in a rebuttal upon my own typing abilities.
What you insinuate as lazy, is in reality, for me:
--typing on three separate projects at once.
--time availability for error correction/ratio to acceptable communication level standards (set by myself--I hope you don't mind--your more than welcome to anally complain).
--lack of available secretarial staff assistance (at the hour).
You already hinted at your one excuse (anally complain). What are your other excuses for discussing removal of religions, without inserting viable methods to carry out such a daunting task? Or do you need more time? Please continue without my further interruption.
My terms? I take it that you are trying to insult me. If so, please be clever about it? This dross won't cut it. As for "angry"; why would you construe that unless you limitations on the breadth of your comprehension and the commensurate limitations of intellect?
I think your image of killing people says more about your thought processes than mine.
I'm not one to point out your many typing errors, except when they are in a rebuttal upon my own typing abilities.
What you insinuate as lazy, is in reality, for me:
--typing on three separate projects at once.
--time availability for error correction/ratio to acceptable communication level standards (set by myself--I hope you don't mind--your more than welcome to anally complain).
--lack of available secretarial staff assistance (at the hour).
You already hinted at your one excuse (anally complain). What are your other excuses for discussing removal of religions, without inserting viable methods to carry out such a daunting task? Or do you need more time? Please continue without my further interruption.
QUOTE (Mekigal+Aug 16 2012, 09:05 AM)
Have you ever pushed water? You sneak up on it or you will never be able to push it .
It was the 80s and we had a pool . The pool lay out was in a circle and above ground with a vinyl liner . You had to start slow and match the momentum of the moving water.
The children loved it for pushing on the water in a mono motion all converging in the center of the pool raised the children to heights of about 8ft above the ground or bottom of the pool . My wife took pictures so we could later look at the total impact of the rising water.
It was fun and the children loved every minute of it . It was a mono wave and it looked like a translucent creature of it self .
Humans are 90% water ? Is that about right?
Priming a weighted water mechanism, the center 8 ft mono-peak was heavy enough to create it's own reciprocating downward force, complimenting the outward-moving return force.
The trampoline can create a similar "force-multiplyer". If there is enough people around the springs, downward pressure is added at the right moment, that I have witnessed people bang against 30 foot high gym ceilings.
The Eskimos used to do something similar with skins. Toss people fairly high in the air.
Similar to the string looped through a button and wound tight. A lot of torque is supplied to this simple reciprocating motor device. May be some flywheel-like force involved there as well.
It was the 80s and we had a pool . The pool lay out was in a circle and above ground with a vinyl liner . You had to start slow and match the momentum of the moving water.
The children loved it for pushing on the water in a mono motion all converging in the center of the pool raised the children to heights of about 8ft above the ground or bottom of the pool . My wife took pictures so we could later look at the total impact of the rising water.
It was fun and the children loved every minute of it . It was a mono wave and it looked like a translucent creature of it self .
Humans are 90% water ? Is that about right?
Priming a weighted water mechanism, the center 8 ft mono-peak was heavy enough to create it's own reciprocating downward force, complimenting the outward-moving return force.
The trampoline can create a similar "force-multiplyer". If there is enough people around the springs, downward pressure is added at the right moment, that I have witnessed people bang against 30 foot high gym ceilings.
The Eskimos used to do something similar with skins. Toss people fairly high in the air.
Similar to the string looped through a button and wound tight. A lot of torque is supplied to this simple reciprocating motor device. May be some flywheel-like force involved there as well.
The OP was correct that a collection of online IQ tests would be an interesting thread addition. A search of the archives might find such a collection already established, save the need to update links, and add new ones.
This thread too was added in Creation/Evolution, which (maybe intentionally) to be a jibe at certain subject readership. The placement I believe caused an immediate "subject drift" effect, displayed in the drift map below:
1) OP: IQ test as mandatory admission requirement to site.
2) IQ test sourced from Christian Science site.
3) Religious people are not intelligent enough to source IQ tests.
4) Atheists don't have to be as***les.
5) All religions are problematic and the crux of all problems.
(5a) All religions should be unilaterally and jointly curbed.
6) (keith*):All problems stem from child home-life differences,
7) IQ test (keith*--trying to return to OP subject): OP IQ test was page-heavy.
8) keith* should ban himself.
9) Explain methods to ban religious removal from society (no reply).
10) Soft typing errors argument.
11) Swimming pool wave analogy.
12) Added trampoline/string-button engine analogy.
13) Poor OP subject placement analogy/Drift Map analysis.
This thread too was added in Creation/Evolution, which (maybe intentionally) to be a jibe at certain subject readership. The placement I believe caused an immediate "subject drift" effect, displayed in the drift map below:
1) OP: IQ test as mandatory admission requirement to site.
2) IQ test sourced from Christian Science site.
3) Religious people are not intelligent enough to source IQ tests.
4) Atheists don't have to be as***les.
5) All religions are problematic and the crux of all problems.
(5a) All religions should be unilaterally and jointly curbed.
6) (keith*):All problems stem from child home-life differences,
7) IQ test (keith*--trying to return to OP subject): OP IQ test was page-heavy.
8) keith* should ban himself.
9) Explain methods to ban religious removal from society (no reply).
10) Soft typing errors argument.
11) Swimming pool wave analogy.
12) Added trampoline/string-button engine analogy.
13) Poor OP subject placement analogy/Drift Map analysis.
QUOTE (keith*+Aug 16 2012, 07:32 PM)
Priming a weighted water mechanism, the center 8 ft mono-peak was heavy enough to create it's own reciprocating downward force, complimenting the outward-moving return force.
The trampoline can create a similar "force-multiplyer". If there is enough people around the springs, downward pressure is added at the right moment, that I have witnessed people bang against 30 foot high gym ceilings.
The Eskimos used to do something similar with skins. Toss people fairly high in the air.
Similar to the string looped through a button and wound tight. A lot of torque is supplied to this simple reciprocating motor device. May be some flywheel-like force involved there as well.
yeah i did button thing as a child . Also I was born in Alaska so am very familiar with the blanket toss and there is even family photos of my dad being tossed high in the sky by native Alaskans .
Funny you say that about the outward force of the pool . Ah yeah ! One day the force was to much to contain and the pool collapsed. Yeah the sides would go in and out with the wave action big time. It was a sad day the day that pool died . By By miss American pie . Drove my chevy to the levy but the levy was dry . Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye singing this is the day the pool died . So sad for the children .
Another time I will tell you about the stripped bass we kept in a pool for a year . It was a land locked stripped bass and even more so when we had it living in the next pool after the collapse of the wave pool . Catching fish caged by guild-ed ideals of delusional states of being is the metaphor in that. If you got a starving fish cut from the herd it is a lot easier to catch one is what I learned . Not that striped bass are that hard to catch as I caught the one at Antioch in a land locked slew in the first place before it ended up in the pool . Funny thing is it survived the trip in a cooler from the bay area to northwest of Sacramento . I could not believe it was still alive . I think I about froze it packed in ice on the trip home . When it was still moving its gills as I went to gut all the fish all I could think of was put it in the pool see if it comes back to life . It did
The trampoline can create a similar "force-multiplyer". If there is enough people around the springs, downward pressure is added at the right moment, that I have witnessed people bang against 30 foot high gym ceilings.
The Eskimos used to do something similar with skins. Toss people fairly high in the air.
Similar to the string looped through a button and wound tight. A lot of torque is supplied to this simple reciprocating motor device. May be some flywheel-like force involved there as well.
yeah i did button thing as a child . Also I was born in Alaska so am very familiar with the blanket toss and there is even family photos of my dad being tossed high in the sky by native Alaskans .
Funny you say that about the outward force of the pool . Ah yeah ! One day the force was to much to contain and the pool collapsed. Yeah the sides would go in and out with the wave action big time. It was a sad day the day that pool died . By By miss American pie . Drove my chevy to the levy but the levy was dry . Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye singing this is the day the pool died . So sad for the children .
Another time I will tell you about the stripped bass we kept in a pool for a year . It was a land locked stripped bass and even more so when we had it living in the next pool after the collapse of the wave pool . Catching fish caged by guild-ed ideals of delusional states of being is the metaphor in that. If you got a starving fish cut from the herd it is a lot easier to catch one is what I learned . Not that striped bass are that hard to catch as I caught the one at Antioch in a land locked slew in the first place before it ended up in the pool . Funny thing is it survived the trip in a cooler from the bay area to northwest of Sacramento . I could not believe it was still alive . I think I about froze it packed in ice on the trip home . When it was still moving its gills as I went to gut all the fish all I could think of was put it in the pool see if it comes back to life . It did
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I'm not one to point out your many typing errors, except when they are in a rebuttal upon my own typing abilities.
What you insinuate as lazy, is in reality, for me:
--typing on three separate projects at once.
--time availability for error correction/ratio to acceptable communication level standards (set by myself--I hope you don't mind--your more than welcome to anally complain).
--lack of available secretarial staff assistance (at the hour).
You already hinted at your one excuse (anally complain). What are your other excuses for discussing removal of religions, without inserting viable methods to carry out such a daunting task? Or do you need more time? Please continue without my further interruption.
What you insinuate as lazy, is in reality, for me:
--typing on three separate projects at once.
--time availability for error correction/ratio to acceptable communication level standards (set by myself--I hope you don't mind--your more than welcome to anally complain).
--lack of available secretarial staff assistance (at the hour).
You already hinted at your one excuse (anally complain). What are your other excuses for discussing removal of religions, without inserting viable methods to carry out such a daunting task? Or do you need more time? Please continue without my further interruption.
Hmm, many typing errors? Are you prone to hyperbole at all? I do make mistakes but I don't use "your" where the word should be "you're", which you do repeatedly. Don't throw rocks when ALL of your walls are glass!
Three projects? Gosh, you must be very important to have three separate projects at once". Strangely, I have many things on the go at the same time but 1. I don't boast about it, and 2. I try not do any or all of them in a half-arsed manner. I also note your remark about secretarial assistance. Gee, you must be REALLY important, or is it you can't distinguish between importance and self-importance?
I've just seen your later post; my guess is self-importance.
Anally complain? So, if I ask for you to use correct English because of (your now admitted lack of adequate attention), that makes me "anal". I take it that you believe attack is the best form of defence, even for the indefensible?
QUOTE (Physfan+Aug 15 2012, 09:11 PM)
...behoves...
It "behooves" you to type your words, not eat them.
I found your argument, on all religion backing off and removing
a large part of the conflicts of the world, a generally viable one.
I was hoping for some follow-up on how to realistically obtain that
condition, in your opinion. That was about a page ago in this thread.
I suppose I should have more patience, or not to expect such realism
in your conversational milieu.
It "behooves" you to type your words, not eat them.
I found your argument, on all religion backing off and removing
a large part of the conflicts of the world, a generally viable one.
I was hoping for some follow-up on how to realistically obtain that
condition, in your opinion. That was about a page ago in this thread.
I suppose I should have more patience, or not to expect such realism
in your conversational milieu.
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