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Mr Puffy
15th July 2009 - 11:14 AM
Are scientists wrong and all they tell us?

Can we really believe in anything they say?

They claim and claim but never agree.
Fair enough they are somehow able to
conjecture fancy gizmo's,

but do they
really succeed in explaining existance
better than our Holy scriptures?

Our children today need guidence in the harsh
society of today, and are we really sendng
them the right message?

Should we focus on God more than our modern
society so far does?


Please,

Thank you for any responses.
Peace be with you All.

buttershug
15th July 2009 - 11:31 AM
It all comes down to what you mean by "but do they
really succeed in explaining existance
better than our Holy scriptures?"

Which do you want certainty or accuracy?
If you want accuracy then the answer is "we don't know".
If you want certainty, just randomly pick one of the answers provided by religion.

When you kids get sick do you take them to the doctor or the priest?

When you take your kid to a scientist your kid doesn't have to believe the scientist when the scientist tells him about pendulums for example. The scientist can show him.

When you take your kid to a religious teacher, you kid just has to trust him. He can't show your kid a genuine set of tablets with the Ten Commandents on it.
MjolnirPants
15th July 2009 - 01:16 PM
QUOTE (buttershug+Jul 15 2009, 06:31 AM)
When you take your kid to a religious teacher, you kid just has to trust him. He can't show your kid a genuine set of tablets with the Ten Commandents on it.

Even if he could, he couldn't show him a videotape of God inscribing them.
TracerTong
15th July 2009 - 11:05 PM
QUOTE (buttershug+Jul 15 2009, 11:31 AM)
It all comes down to what you mean by "but do they
really succeed in explaining existance
better than our Holy scriptures?"

Which do you want certainty or accuracy?
If you want accuracy then the answer is "we don't know".
If you want certainty, just randomly pick one of the answers provided by religion.

When you kids get sick do you take them to the doctor or the priest?

When you take your kid to a scientist your kid doesn't have to believe the scientist when the scientist tells him about pendulums for example. The scientist can show him.

When you take your kid to a religious teacher, you kid just has to trust him. He can't show your kid a genuine set of tablets with the Ten Commandents on it.

buttershug,Possibly another way to look at it instead of science vs. religion is knowledge vs. rules to follow
flyingbuttressman
15th July 2009 - 11:24 PM
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 15 2009, 06:05 PM)
buttershug,Possibly another way to look at it instead of science vs. religion is knowledge vs. rules to follow

Next time I need some completely arbitrary rules to live by I'll let you know.
TracerTong
15th July 2009 - 11:35 PM
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 15 2009, 11:24 PM)
Next time I need some completely arbitrary rules to live by I'll let you know.

We have rules? How did we get them?
RobDegraves
16th July 2009 - 12:36 AM
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We have rules? How did we get them?


We made them up.

Look at the forum rules for a sec. Did God tell the forum owner what to write? Or is it possible that humans can come up with rules on their own?
buttershug
16th July 2009 - 01:04 AM
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jul 16 2009, 12:36 AM)

We made them up.


I think to a certain extent we can say we discovered them.

I'm sure it didn't take much to realize that society workis better when collectively give up the right to kill each other.
Nihilist
16th July 2009 - 02:43 AM
Since this post was set up like a quiz on myspace I decided to answer it like one.

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Are scientists wrong and all they tell us?

Scientists aren’t a hive mind or collective that all have one opinion that is either right or wrong. When you say “scientist” are you including Christian Scientist?

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Are scientists wrong and all they tell us?

Scientists aren’t a hive mind or collective that all have one opinion that is either right or wrong. When you say “scientist” are you including Christian Scientist?

Can we really believe in anything they say?

I think so, but it’s good to be skeptical of what’s told to you.

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They claim and claim but never agree.

The same can be said about religion. The Muslims don’t agree with the Christians in the same way Einstein didn’t agree with Bohr (in my opinion).

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They claim and claim but never agree.

The same can be said about religion. The Muslims don’t agree with the Christians in the same way Einstein didn’t agree with Bohr (in my opinion).

Fair enough they are somehow able to conjecture fancy gizmo's, but do they really succeed in explaining existence better than our Holy scriptures?

Well I think that the “fancy gizmos” as you put it show that science has some merit. As for the best explanation of our existence, that’s a matter of opinion. I think science does because it’s provided me with some evidence that it may be able to give us an answer (some day), while as religion seems to want me to go on faith alone.

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Our children today need guidence in the harsh society of today, and are we really sendng them the right message?

I don’t think that teaching science is that same as saying religion isn’t real (that is assuming that’s the message you thinks being sent).

On a side note: If I were religious I would ask my self what’s more likely. Is science wrong or mans interpretation of the bibles explanations for the mortal world wrong? If I came to the conclusion that it was mans interpretation of the bible, that was wrong, then the next step would seem to me to be: Reinterpret the bible using science as a reference point.

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Our children today need guidence in the harsh society of today, and are we really sendng them the right message?

I don’t think that teaching science is that same as saying religion isn’t real (that is assuming that’s the message you thinks being sent).

On a side note: If I were religious I would ask my self what’s more likely. Is science wrong or mans interpretation of the bibles explanations for the mortal world wrong? If I came to the conclusion that it was mans interpretation of the bible, that was wrong, then the next step would seem to me to be: Reinterpret the bible using science as a reference point.

Should we focus on God more than our modern society so far does?

I don’t personally see any reason that we should, but that’s because I don’t believe the same things you do. I don’t think focusing on God helps people, other than it seems to make a lot of people feel better. Also the churches do a lot of charity work, but I see that as people helping people.
orestis
16th July 2009 - 05:16 AM
QUOTE (Mr Puffy+Jul 15 2009, 07:14 AM)


Should we focus on God more than our modern
society so far does?



Lets look at examples of when the focus was on God.

After the Roman Empire collapsed the church, by default, became the governing body in Europe. The science (rough as it may have been) and technology of Rome was forgotten. Fresh water supplies, sanitation, machines that enhanced labor, all disappeared. People went back to living in filth and scratching the earth.

Currently, the Taliban in Swat Vally focus on God. Whippings, oppression, executions are all parts of their focus on God.

And of course, there was Jim Jones and David Koresh, both focused on God.

So, no. We shouldn't focus on God.
vkamath
16th July 2009 - 07:52 AM
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Science is Wrong. is it justifyiable ?


Mr Puffy seems to be a sock.

So is Amy Right
TracerTong
16th July 2009 - 01:14 PM
QUOTE (orestis+Jul 16 2009, 05:16 AM)
Lets look at examples of when the focus was on God.

After the Roman Empire collapsed the church, by default, became the governing body in Europe. The science (rough as it may have been) and technology of Rome was forgotten. Fresh water supplies, sanitation, machines that enhanced labor, all disappeared. People went back to living in filth and scratching the earth.

Currently, the Taliban in Swat Vally focus on God. Whippings, oppression, executions are all parts of their focus on God.

And of course, there was Jim Jones and David Koresh, both focused on God.

So, no. We shouldn't focus on God.

Actually, the Taliban in Swat Vally, Jim Jones and David Koresh, are false prophets
They promoted themselves. You can tell people by the fruit they produce -- Billy Graham, King David, Mother Theresa. What is Good?
flyingbuttressman
16th July 2009 - 01:29 PM
QUOTE (TracerTong+Jul 16 2009, 08:14 AM)
Actually, the Taliban in Swat Vally, Jim Jones and David Koresh, are false prophets
They promoted themselves. You can tell people by the fruit they produce -- Billy Graham, King David, Mother Theresa. What is Good?

I would actually agree with you there. Except maybe for King David, who seemed fairly warlord-ish. Not sure what fruit you are referring to there.

I think you should judge people by their actions. It is a perfectly logical way of going about things. On the other hand, that takes away any argument that Christianity makes people into better people, since atheists do just as much charity as religious people do. (Tithing does not count as charity)
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