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Confused2
Malicious Internet entities can be tiresome (see my feedback!).
Token gesture of support for rp.
Hopefully others will follow.
Delete thread when no longer required.
But please remember the token(s) of support.
-C2.
Granouille
I have already requested that Neutron and rpenner delete the troll, so of course I'm with you on this.

I fear that rpenner's powers are too limited to do anything, unfortunately. He gets paid nothing to shovel the stable, I'm told.

That seems to be why the same SOBs are allowed to repeat their atrocities with impunity and no repercussions. The board administrator should get off his advertising-money *** and do something positive. The FM was nothing compared to this hemorrhagic diarrhea from Fairy, and the admin here knows his IP address. There is no reason to allow this crap, except that it drives revenue from ad clicks.

Maybe that's why they are so quick to delete the Viagra and phone scam posts? No return on that...

Of course, this message is likely to be my last. After all, it isn't completely off-topic and inflammatory, and I have tried to address a hateful problem in the proper fashion. Kill the messenger and all... mad.gif
Confused2
QUOTE (rpenner+)

So F*** the hermetic knowledge! Go out and get new knowledge and let it never perish from this Earth. Publish it in journals. Summarize it in textbooks. Teach it in schools. FIX it when it is shown to be in error. Make progress and never look back at a past we can't recapture.


From:- http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=183911 - a few years ago - but he doesn't seem to have changed.

If you think he deserves malice .. then now is your opportunity to show it.

-C2.

Granouille
Was that to me?

I misunderstand... sad.gif
Confused2
Was that to me?

No .. our posts crossed.
TheDoc
QUOTE (Granouille+May 8 2009, 10:14 PM)
The FM was nothing compared to this hemorrhagic diarrhea from Fairy, and the admin here knows his IP address.

I always found it funny how people accused the FM of being 'offensive' while at the same time supporting idiots like the one above.

Grumpy
What's that smell??? Oh, Fairy was here.
Empress Palpatine
...another invasion again. rolleyes.gif

get the can of Raid
Granouille
I wonder if rpenner can remove all the bile from our feedback as well as the damned head-case's account?
rpenner
Technically possible, but the forum owner would have to elevate me higher.
Granouille
Thank you. I hope he will do that.
RobDegraves
So far Rpenner seems rational, educated and informative. People like Fairy hate that.

On a more ironic note... I wonder what Jesus would think of Fairy's hatred and vile attacks.

Confused2
QUOTE (RDG+)
I wonder what Jesus would think of Fairy's hatred and vile attacks.


Probably more relevant to ask Fivedoughnut/Evans/Mollusc/Wolf/etc

-C2.
newguy
QUOTE (RobDegraves+)
On a more ironic note... I wonder what Jesus would think of Fairy's hatred and vile attacks.


RobDegraves: Oh, please. Do you REALLY believe that "Fairy" is a Christian? If you do, then you're an EXTREMELY gullible individual. "Fairy" is obviously trying to discredit Christianity with his(?) nonsense. Doesn't surprise me in the least that I'm receiving positive feedback from this individual. You know(apparently, you don't), guilt by association and all that. I suspect that Confused2's suggestion is a whole lot closer to the truth, although I don't personally suspect(I could be wrong) that this is the work of fivedoughnut/etc.
rpenner
Ah, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
newguy
QUOTE (rpenner+)
Ah, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Errors in usage

In situations where the subject's status is previously determined by specific behaviors, the fallacy does not apply. For example, it is perfectly justified to say, "No true vegetarian eats meat," because not eating meat is the single thing that precisely defines a person as a vegetarian.


rpenner: If you'd like to provide an example of Fairy's "Christianity" for review, then go right ahead. I, for one, will be waiting to read it. Thanks.
RobDegraves
The problem is where do you get a definition of what a "true" Christian would be.

We can't look into Fairy's black heart and find out whether he believes in Christ or not. Therefore we must look at what he says and does, like we would for anyone who professes to be a Christian.

That brings us to ... "What is a true Christian". The problem with that is that the definition will tend to vary wildly from one individual to the next.

In my opinion, I have met very few real Christians. Very very few.

However, that is opinion based and keep in mind that I am not a religious person myself.
Derek1148
QUOTE (RobDegraves+May 24 2009, 04:41 PM)
That brings us to ... "What is a true Christian". The problem with that is that the definition will tend to vary wildly from one individual to the next.

In my opinion, I have met very few real Christians. Very very few.

However, that is opinion based and keep in mind that I am not a religious person myself.

Certain nouns need no adjectives. Certain verbs need no adverbs. In general certain words require no qualification.

Would you say someone is “very dead?” “Extremely honest?” “Almost loyal?”

“Christian” requires no degree of qualification? I suppose one might attempt to be a “Christian” and fail. However, certain words are absolutes.

rpenner
So that explains why the Christian church hasn't suffered schism in 2000 years. Thank you.
Derek1148
QUOTE (rpenner+May 24 2009, 06:37 PM)
So that explains why the Christian church hasn't suffered schism in 2000 years. Thank you.

You're welcome. Anytime I can assist in your understanding let me know.
Confused2
So far he's given me four 'positives' biggrin.gif (more than anyone else has) - so clearly he's not all bad (Edit.. a potential Scotsman?) - unlike SOME rolleyes.gif I could mention .. well .. actually a list .. quite a long list sad.gif .
newguy
QUOTE (rpenner+)
So that explains why the Christian church hasn't suffered schism in 2000 years. Thank you.


rpenner: "Schisms" are most often the direct result of focusing on MEN as opposed to Christ Himself. Paul addressed this issue when he said:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"(I Corinthians 1:10-13)

In this example AMONGST PROFESSING CHRISTIANS, CHRIST only got 25% of the vote. One claimed to be of Paul...another of Cephas(Peter)...another of Apollos...another of Christ. There's an early day example of "denominations" or being designated by a name. Do you HONESTLY think that it's any different today? If it's different at all, then I'd suggest to you that it's different in that Christ's percentage of the vote has dropped substantially since the day of Paul's writing. During the twelve years or so that I regularly was found in so-called "Christian circles"(churches, Bible schools, conferences, etc.), I had at least hundreds of conversations with professing Christians...most likely I had thousands of conversations with them. I can honestly say that I could NEVER get ANYONE to speak about Christ. Oh, I heard a lot about the pastor, the choir, evangelists, authors, etc....seems to me that EVERY TIME I SPOKE OF CHRIST all hell broke loose. Anyhow, I'm still waiting for your documentation concerning "Fairy", if you have any.
Empress Palpatine
QUOTE (rpenner+May 23 2009, 11:46 AM)
Technically possible, but the forum owner would have to elevate me higher.

Is there any way you can request such powers?
Michael J
I must be doing something right, i think i've got more neg's from the fairy, than positives in general... And i don't even post that much! Must have got him/her/it(?) angry at some point of time. rolleyes.gif
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Michael J+May 24 2009, 11:25 PM)
I must be doing something right, i think i've got more neg's from the fairy, than positives in general... And i don't even post that much! Must have got him/her/it(?) angry at some point of time. rolleyes.gif

Fairy is just angry at the world for having standards of intelligence, maturity and social skills much higher than anything Fairy has demonstrated.
Empress Palpatine
Who knows the spell to immobilize pixies (or fairies!)

User posted image: User posted image
Confused2
QUOTE (MollyPants+)
Fairy is just angry at the world for having standards of intelligence, maturity and social skills much higher than anything Fairy has demonstrated.


So why pick on physforum?
Michael J
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+May 25 2009, 04:30 AM)
Fairy is just angry at the world for having standards of intelligence, maturity and social skills much higher than anything Fairy has demonstrated.

Very true!


@Empress:

I think you just discovered the solution, banning doesn't seem to work due to using proxy servers, we should just stop it at the source biggrin.gif .
rpenner
QUOTE (Empress Palpatine+May 25 2009, 04:09 AM)
Is there any way you can request such powers?

The request was made and is in the process of being responded to.

Outcome not yet clear. Thanks.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Confused2+May 25 2009, 07:22 AM)
QUOTE (MollyPants+)
Fairy is just angry at the world for having standards of intelligence, maturity and social skills much higher than anything Fairy has demonstrated.


So why pick on physforum?

Because it contains so many posters who pretend to me mature but never really reach that level of maturity expected of the average 22 year old.
You know, like people who consistently whine about how many insulting people there are here, yet never fail to distort another user's member name into something he perceives to be insulting.
Edward 3
Right on Molly - you´ve been a busy girl here of late - like a bloody bad rash all over the forum in fact !!
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 27 2009, 01:50 PM)
Right on Molly - you´ve been a busy girl here of late - like a bloody bad rash all over the forum in fact !!

Oh, thanks for reminding me that this forum is full of dumbasses and trolls, too. I'm sure that has something to do with it, too.
rpenner
QUOTE (rpenner+May 26 2009, 01:10 AM)
Outcome not yet clear. Thanks.

"What do you think of my solution?" -- Spock near the end of Star Trek II
Confused2
If the power behind physforum moved a wee bit towards the front - I don't see that as being a bad thing.

If it works out maybe we could do the 'Wizard of Oz' for an Xmas panto...?

-C2.

Edit .. Fivedoughnut could be the winged monkeys (all of them) - Wicked Witch of the West .. and so it goes on.
TobyNotToby
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+May 27 2009, 07:31 PM)
Oh, thanks for reminding me that this forum is full of dumbasses and trolls, too. I'm sure that has something to do with it, too.

Of course you are honest and intelligent right? One of the real good science guys around in life. Funny, but I think deep down you feel unfulfilled as a person. Perhaps that's why you are so hard on others. I feel for ya man. But it's never too late as you know. Never let others make you feel you are unworthy, know what I mean?
buttershug
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+May 27 2009, 04:48 PM)


You know, like people who consistently whine about how many insulting people there are here, yet never fail to distort another user's member name into something he perceives to be insulting.

personally, I try for amusing.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (buttershug+May 27 2009, 08:02 PM)
personally, I try for amusing.

Me too, but C2 obviously isn't going for amusing.

If so, he'd have tried "MaryPants," "MoronPants," "MissyPant," and other variations to keep things fresh. The same ole tired "MollyPants" every single time just isn't even remotely funny.

But then, I could just be overestimating his wittiness and sense of humor...

QUOTE (Edward 3+)
Funny, but I think deep down you feel unfulfilled as a person.

Awww, ya got me. You're getting better at this psychoanalyzing people over the internet, Eddy!
I mean, my whole life, from scoring well over 180 on an IQ test at 11, to learning to overcome Asperger's syndrome with enough proficiency that people familiar with the condition can't tell I have it until I tell them I do, to getting shot at 18 and managing to beat the crap out of the guy who did it before the ambulance even arrived, to winning an award by rediscovering a prediction of GR on my own in high school, to joining the Army and being one of the under 1% of recruits who pass every single course on his first try and gets selected for advancement in the Special Forces curriculum, to meeting the woman of my dreams, to having a beautiful child who -at under six months of age- is already repeating the words I say to him, feeding himself baby food with a spoon and crawling around, to having the financial means to quit my job for up to a year to care for my son, to being accepted into the Law Enforcement program at the top 1% of all applicants has all left me sorely disappointed.
I could have done so much more with my life at this point!

Please, please Eddy! Tell me how to fix it!!!

Ya friggan mo', I'm as arrogant as I am for a whole hell of a lot of damn good reasons. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Edward 3
Hey Molly,
If you´re going to quote somebody would you ever make sure you are attributing the quote to the right person - what you attributed to me was actually posted by Toby. But then, this is only a trifling error compared to some of your real howlers !!
Derek1148
QUOTE (rpenner+May 27 2009, 08:46 PM)
"What do you think of my solution?" -- Spock near the end of Star Trek II

"Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a bricklayer!" - Dr. Leonard McCoy
TobyNotToby
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+May 28 2009, 04:52 AM)
Me too, but C2 obviously isn't going for amusing.

If so, he'd have tried "MaryPants," "MoronPants," "MissyPant," and other variations to keep things fresh. The same ole tired "MollyPants" every single time just isn't even remotely funny.

But then, I could just be overestimating his wittiness and sense of humor...

QUOTE (Edward 3+)
Funny, but I think deep down you feel unfulfilled as a person.

Awww, ya got me. You're getting better at this psychoanalyzing people over the internet, Eddy!
I mean, my whole life, from scoring well over 180 on an IQ test at 11, to learning to overcome Asperger's syndrome with enough proficiency that people familiar with the condition can't tell I have it until I tell them I do, to getting shot at 18 and managing to beat the crap out of the guy who did it before the ambulance even arrived, to winning an award by rediscovering a prediction of GR on my own in high school, to joining the Army and being one of the under 1% of recruits who pass every single course on his first try and gets selected for advancement in the Special Forces curriculum, to meeting the woman of my dreams, to having a beautiful child who -at under six months of age- is already repeating the words I say to him, feeding himself baby food with a spoon and crawling around, to having the financial means to quit my job for up to a year to care for my son, to being accepted into the Law Enforcement program at the top 1% of all applicants has all left me sorely disappointed.
I could have done so much more with my life at this point!

Please, please Eddy! Tell me how to fix it!!!

Ya friggan mo', I'm as arrogant as I am for a whole hell of a lot of damn good reasons. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Yeah, like you really enjoy your "liu" don't you? That's very growd up dontchya think? Playground stuff MurkyPants.

I don't think you have learnt to overcome your "syndrome". I think it seeps out towards a certain kind. I would have guessed straight away who may have such a "syndrome" here if it was part of a May day quiz. It's very noble to want to "protect" a young student, but you set them an entirely different example in return, that can be just as damaging.

I'm glad I am not the only one that has issue with your dishonesty at times. Or at least you're very bad at admitting errors, if they were in fact errors, and not deliberate acts at confusing discussions.

You know how to "fix" it. The clue is you're not as qualified as you think you are.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 28 2009, 02:39 AM)
Hey Molly,
If you´re going to quote somebody would you ever make sure you are attributing the quote to the right person - what you attributed to me was actually posted by Toby. But then, this is only a trifling error compared to some of your real howlers !!

Ummm, Hey dumbass, I've caught you doing the same thing before, and had hell to get you to even admit it.
laugh.gif

QUOTE (Liu+)
Playground stuff MurkyPants.

Here we go again with the same stupid crap you've been pulling for almost a year now.
When are you going to figure out that you're just making yourself look like an idiot?

And you can have any opinion you want about me, dumbass. If you think I give a crap, you're out of your friggan mind.
laugh.gif

PS. You've yet to have shown me to have been dishonest about anything. I love how you keep harping on it, as if anyone who's opinion I give a sh*t about would be convinced simply because you keep repeating your lies.
laugh.gif
RobDegraves
Hmmm... TobynotToby

I think you have a view of MjolnirPants that is atypical on this forum. Comparing the various comments as well as posts... I have found an odd situation.

First of all, almost all of the comments from anyone whom I consider to be serious posters here (from my limited experience), are positive for MjolnirPants. I would add the same comments for myself as far as I have been able to see so far.

In your case, not only are the comments from serious posters negative, but I find it difficult to find any of your posts that actually advance any real point or argument. All you do is complain about other people.

Is this current name of yours a new alias and you have other posts? Am I missing something?
Edward 3
Quote Molly
"Ummm, Hey dumbass, I've caught you doing the same thing before, and had hell to get you to even admit it."

I suppose you could just have said - "oops, sorry about that" - but that would have been expecting too much. So much for all your previous assertions that you admit it when you get something wrong!!
Can you quote exactly what you are referring to above - and I mean quote , not a convenient misquote !!
Geoff Mollusc
QUOTE (Confused2+May 27 2009, 09:33 PM)
If it works out maybe we could do the 'Wizard of Oz' for an Xmas panto...?


Sure, you're my most obvious choice to play Scarecrow (brainless fuckwit extraordinaire).


smile.gif
Edward 3
Now we have the pleasure of the company of Molly 2 !!
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 28 2009, 01:53 PM)
Quote Molly
"Ummm, Hey dumbass, I've caught you doing the same thing before, and had hell to get you to even admit it."

I suppose you could just have said - "oops, sorry about that" - but that would have been expecting too much. So much for all your previous assertions that you admit it when you get something wrong!!

The bolded section contains an acknowledgment of error, dumbass. Nowhere in my post did I say you were wrong about me attributing the quote to the wrong person, you lying pissant.

QUOTE
Can you quote exactly what you are referring to above - and I mean quote , not a convenient misquote !!

Yes.
And I will, as soon as you provide even a single example of me misquoting someone (and misattributing a post doesn't count, dumbass).

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Can you quote exactly what you are referring to above - and I mean quote , not a convenient misquote !!

Yes.
And I will, as soon as you provide even a single example of me misquoting someone (and misattributing a post doesn't count, dumbass).

Is this current name of yours a new alias and you have other posts? Am I missing something?

He is, in fact, a repeat offender. He's been banned multiple times for abusing people while whining about abuse on this forum. His previous aliases included (but are not necessarily limited to): Mirrorman, Boneidol, MickDerry, and Squeeze. I know there are more, but I can't remember them off the top of my head.
But don't expect to find anything worth reading in those posting histories, it's just more of the same crap he's spewing now. He's too stupid to realize that he's not accomplishing anything except getting himself banned. One of these days, the forum owner will either ban his IP address, or give rpenner the power to do so, and we'll be rid of him, unless he managed to figure out how to use a proxy, in which case he'll be back and spewing the same crap all over again.
Edward 3
Quote Molly 2

"Fuckwit of epic proportions."

This was Molly 2´s response - shouldn´t be kept hidden in the mean streets of the feedback department!
Edward 3
Thanks Molly - apology accepted
WTC control demolished
The STUPID debunkers lovers of the 9/11 official theory think that 700 architects and engineers are wrong thinking that the world trade center was controlled demolished using explosives and are asking for a new independent investigation ? you really think that 700 architects and engineers are wrong thinking that the FEMA report and NIST report are a bunch of lies ?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 28 2009, 02:24 PM)
Quote Molly 2

"Fuckwit of epic proportions."

This was Molly 2´s response - shouldn´t be kept hidden in the mean streets of the feedback department!

For the record: I only use this one handle here. Every time you accuse someone else of being my sockpuppet (even by implication) you're just making yourself look stupider.

QUOTE
Thanks Molly - apology accepted

That wasn't an apology. The following is, however:
I'm very sorry you haven't got the intelligence to comprehend the written word, I'm very sorry you haven't got the emotional maturity to behave like an adult, I'm very sorry you haven't got the integrity to avoid using lies to make your arguments.
If I'm responsible for any of this in any way, please accept my sincere apology, and rest assured that if there is anything I can do to correct my error in this, I will happily do so. But I will, of course, expect some proof that it's my fault before I start paying for your stay in a mental health facility, to get the help you need. wink.gif
Granouille
tongue.gif I see that you are left-handed, at least in your apologies...
rpenner
Since actual evidence suggests that the driving distance between the locations of MjolnirPants and Geoff Mollusc is on the order of 2.5 Mm (Great Circle distance is about 2.0 Mm), I don't think they are the same person.

Ruling: Edward 3 has made unsubstantiated claims which are inconsistent with physical evidence and unsupported by argument. This is below the expected measure of a May Day essay contest winner. Color me disappointed.
Michael J
My nonsense Fairy neg. feedback seems to have disappeared, thank you smile.gif

Still effects the rating, but atleast i don't have to read his garbage anymore while browsing.
rpenner
Ah, a positive review of my solution at last.

I received new powers programmed into the forum by our mysterious hosts and have been hard at work this week. Let's try to keep the comments specific and constructive, OK?
Granouille
How very nice! Congratulations, sir!

It would be very fine if you'd clean the faeces from my feedback, too! smile.gif
Grumpy
WTC control demolished

QUOTE
The STUPID debunkers lovers of the 9/11 official theory think that 700 architects and engineers are wrong thinking that the world trade center was controlled demolished using explosives and are asking for a new independent investigation ? you really think that 700 architects and engineers are wrong thinking that the FEMA report and NIST report are a bunch of lies ?


First, you don't have 700 architects and engineers, you have a few and then a bunch of troothers.

Second, we KNOW that they are wrong, 911 had no explosives and was not a controlled demo. It was an attack on our country planned by OBL and carried out by 19 Islamic extremists.

Third, Yes, they are wrong, the NIST reports are a scientific investigation into the events of that day and are not lies, you may disagree with their conclusions, but they are based on the available evidence, and only the scientific evidence. The lies are told by the know-nothing troothers and conspiracy nutjobs(and the snakeoil salesmen who prey on them).

So, stupid applies to the troothers, not to the scientists.

Grumpy cool.gif
rpenner
QUOTE (Granouille+May 29 2009, 12:10 AM)
It would be very fine if ....

Of course. Now I expect the usual paper bag stuffed with the usual amount of currency stuffed behind the usual dumpster at the usual time, as per paragraph 43 of the MOU.
Edward 3
Quote RP:

"Ruling: Edward 3 has made unsubstantiated claims which are inconsistent with physical evidence and unsupported by argument. This is below the expected measure of a May Day essay contest winner. Color me disappointed"

Hey RP - how about allowing me a bit of poetic licence??!! Anyway, I never said that Molly1 and Molly2 were sockpuppets - those were just terms of endearment I bestowed on two of my favourite posters - honest!!
buttershug
QUOTE (WTC control demolished+May 28 2009, 07:30 PM)
The STUPID debunkers lovers of the 9/11 official theory think that 700 architects and engineers are wrong thinking that the world trade center was controlled demolished using explosives and are asking for a new independent investigation ? you really think that 700 architects and engineers are wrong thinking that the FEMA report and NIST report are a bunch of lies ?

Even more think it is right. So you really think even more than 700 are wrong about the report?

And I would be very suprised if 700 didn't simply say there was some facet or other of the report they didn't agree with. And it would be suprising if everyone in a field agreed with everything a report that big says.
Granouille
QUOTE (rpenner+May 28 2009, 05:47 PM)
Ah, a positive review of my solution at last.

I received new powers programmed into the forum by our mysterious hosts and have been hard at work this week. Let's try to keep the comments specific and constructive, OK?

Thank you!
soundhertz
QUOTE
It would be very fine if you'd clean the faeces from my feedback, too! smile.gif


I don't have much, and I'm not here much, but I second this for me too. I also second the congrats to rpenner for bravely attempting truth, justice, and the American way (or something like that)

Lieutenant Commander Montgomery Scott: "The shields are down 70%! We need to redirect impulse power to the shields! Captain, are you there? Captain?"
soundhertz
scarily impressive. It's like the old days when ap-bot always responded. thanks cool.gif
Confused2
Bump.
Granouille
QUOTE (rpenner+May 28 2009, 06:32 PM)
Of course. Now I expect the usual paper bag stuffed with the usual amount of currency stuffed behind the usual dumpster at the usual time, as per paragraph 43 of the MOU.

Thank you! I haven't been here often of late, so I missed the drop. sad.gif

Shall we try the secondary location tonight at 11? laugh.gif
Meem
If I could comment on some of the stuff in the front part of this particular thread, about true Christians and what they do ...

A true christian would seek that answer from the example of Christ, and anyone truly interested would look to the example for their answer. Just because you can read a book, doesn't mean you understand what is in it. Just like life, there is more to it than what is in the book. People who solely look to other people, or a book for answers will never find too many of them, if any. It's something one does, not what they think they do.

A true scientist tries to observe the truth in its natural conditions, not make it happen in a controlled environment. Experimental understanding is greater than perceived knowledge. Would one rather have a surgeon that just became one and might say, "I know everything there is to know" operate on them, or one that had been a surgeon for 10 years, and admitted I don't know everything, but might say, "I am a damn good surgeon?"

Get your advice from the know it all and see if they are right with multiple opinions, then take that final opinion to the guy that has experience in doing it.

Other than that,

Thanks for the cyst removal wink.gif
soundhertz
QUOTE
Just because you can read a book, doesn't mean you understand what is in it. Just like life, there is more to it than what is in the book.


But if you read a very good book by a person of great wisdom, you either learn some of what they learned without spending the time that they had to spend, in which case the book did it's job - it imparted wisdom successfully - or you have it not resonate in you and you relegate it to coffeetable status. The onus is on you. We can learn from each other as well as ourselves, and we are free to choose to or not. Do you think it's an evolutionary choice?
Meem
It seems everything evolutionary. Just like books, through those who write them. I don't like horror stories, or freak shows. wink.gif
rpenner
QUOTE (Meem+Jun 10 2009, 10:54 PM)
A true scientist tries to observe the truth in its natural conditions, not make it happen in a controlled environment.

I disagree. I believe that you have not thought out the actual way science benefits humanity.

Science is more than a cataloguing of what happens in the untouched wilderness. When science talks about the natural world, it also includes the laboratory since it too is part of the same universe. But the goal is not a catalogue, but understanding. And from understanding comes control. From physics comes electronics engineering, from chemistry comes increased crop yields, from biology comes medicine, etc. As Francis Bacon wrote about science in the seventeenth century:

"Knowledge is power; Nature, in order to be ordered must first be obeyed."
Meem
I'm not so certain. That falls into the hands of human nature, pure benefit not always. Not that I meant to discredit laboratory science, but in either case with experiments, one group is left natural.

And if this is what you believe, not to get too touchy, but to see if you're on mark, not saying that I am able to test you, but where is the "lab-work" being done on this site for the benefit? I do intend to poke, and prod. I am doing my lab work.

QUOTE
“Knowledge without wisdom is a load of books on the back an @$$”
Japanese Proverb
(note) just trying to keep the integrity of the quote, before I am accused of anything.
rpenner
I prefer the verse form which was quoted in 1892's Handy-book of literary curiosities
QUOTE (William Shepard Walsh+p. 623)
Learning to have and wisdom to lack,
Is a load of books on an ***'s back.


While I don't have the original source, I also have found it in
Robert Christy. Proverbs, Maxims and Phrases of All Ages. (1887) p. 615

But in the opinion of Mr. Walsh, and and the vast majority of people who have actually done something:
QUOTE (William Shepard Walsh+p. 623)
Nevertheless there is good sense in Maxim 571 of Publius Syrus: "It is only the ignorant who despise education."
Meem
Sounds a bit like,

QUOTE
Those who can -- do. Those who can't -- teach. (H.L. Mencken).

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Those who can -- do. Those who can't -- teach. (H.L. Mencken).

“Those who can’t do, teach.”

QUOTE
This statement suggests that people who have failed or would be failures in the world outside of academia end up as teachers



But I really like this one
QUOTE (->
QUOTE
This statement suggests that people who have failed or would be failures in the world outside of academia end up as teachers



But I really like this one
Those who cannot teach -- administrate. (Martin)


And
QUOTE
University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small. (Henry Kissinger)

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small. (Henry Kissinger)

What is left when honor is lost? (Publius Syrus)

QUOTE
One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly. (Friedrich Nietzsche).

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly. (Friedrich Nietzsche).

The price of hating other humans is loving oneself less. (Eldridge Cleaver)

QUOTE
It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others. (John Andrew Holmes)

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others. (John Andrew Holmes)

When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return. (Leonardo da Vinci)


So overboard, I know. I do apologize.
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