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Gomario
Who can tell me *** it is meant when one says: Alien race? I thought 'race' is a subdivision of a 'species'. For example a doberman dog belongs to the canine (dog) species and the doberman race (subspecies). A Nigerian man belongs to the human species and the African race. But why should we call a presumably very intelligent martian worm, with a IQ of 1000, a alien 'race'? *** does it have to do with race? What is the point of the word race when talking about aliens? Race is a subdivision of some species. To classify a alien life form into the earthly divisions of species and races is not only confusing but totally wrong!
Krithix
I believe the main reason we do this is because in earth's early history we called other humans, mainly black people, a different species. When we realized that they weren't we called them a different race, but I guess the meaning was blurred.

[Moderator: This post has characteristics similar to posts of a former user who was banned for denial of scientific expertise and substituting conspiracy hypotheses, confirmation bias and Dunning-Kruger overconfidence. The history of the English terms race and species are not as you describe them. For example "race" as Darwin used it in his 1859 monograph, refers to varieties, not to human races.Ernst Mayr blames essentialism (a Platonic philosophy) as the source of thinking that human races are strongly separated, while Darwin and most biological scientists argue against this. Race did not enter the English language until the 16th century, http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/race--2 while species is both older http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/species?q=species and younger in that the scientific use of the term required the development of scientific taxonomy. Intelligent alien species are therefore correctly (if colloquially) called alien races because of a assumed commonality with intelligent humans.]
El_Machinae
Maybe because 99% of the aliens we are familiar with were played using human actors! laugh.gif

Even 'species' might not be correct, since currently 'species' is used to denote relative differences in lineage on our tree of life.
Gomario
Good then. Nice to see we all agree, it is totally wrong!
MDT
First of all, we have never encountered an actual space alien, in reality. They currently only exist in sci-fi, where they are product of the human imagination. Because human created them, we use human classification. Sci-fi is entertainment that uses science like a prop. To gain wider appeal they needed to choose terms people can relate to. You do not want to alienate your audience.

Capracus
They're the cometary bacteria that infest our guts.
siimond182
Aliens might exsist. The chances of life being out there is high considering how many galaxys are out there. But it doesnt mean that they'l be more intellegent then us! Its only what we see in movies that make us think that. What makes you think that aliens so far away would have the ability to even get to our planet like they do in movies? Unless they find an impressive fuel supply or some astonishing recuring energy supply that they have found within there technology, what makes you think they would suddenly be pecking at our boundries?
siimond182
What i find interesting using my imagination in an unusual but exciting way is that could there be an alien life form that doesnt breath oxygen like we do or have gills like fish but have a mechanical structure completely different? We know mars is mostley carbon dioxide, so we kno humans would not survive obviously! We get to carried away with trying to find life on other planets using our general makeup. So does anyone think there could be something that survives on other chemicals? Maybe they dont have lungs or gills but something else?
Capracus
100 meters, black or white man?
siimond182
As history suggests. Probably a black man. Thats if you mean who's fastest at running over a hundred meters. I might be wrong but is your point based on how we've evolved from africa and that black men are more physically stronger? Not my view just seeing if thats your view?
Capracus
I was thinking of their relative reflectivity in space and the resultant velocity induced by radiation pressure.
siimond182
What other then the fact radiation from humans travels through space? Other worlds can maybe detect the radiation? Doubt it
Mekigal
i am an Alien . What is this you don't think I am real . Ah Ah Ah second thought No I am not an Alien . What was I thinking . I am Not an Alien , double peace sign from each hand held out to the crowd . I am not an Alien , Foreigner ?? Is that better . I think not when me own country men called me a foreigner . Hey I resemble that remark .


Hoarders . Humans are hoarders . Way worse then squirrels ever thought of being . That is why there are boundaries, So each country can hoard and manipulate markets to enlarge there hoard pile . It is really sick how we do that . Divided species all the way .
siimond182
Ha ha i like it. Think each country are like that because whe're all fighting for the same thing in our short lives. And thats to live in a place which provides an all round excellent way of life. Who wants to live in a place with limited options? A wealthy place with good options for work and education amonst all the other things we crave is a place we want to be. Is it not? But its human mentality,,, the world is not enough!!!
Capracus
The Grey Extraterrestrials

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Grey Driven Advancements in Genetic Engineering, Microbiology and Aerospace

There is speculation that the alien species know as the Greys are perhaps just as diverse and spread across the universe as, are the human species. Therefore, it is important not to paint what appears to be a vast network of Grey species with the same brush. As with cosmic humans, it seems that the Greys run the gamut from being highly predatory using competitive win-lose tactics, to being cooperative and using win-win tactics.

Abduction investigators investigating Grey activity seem to fall into two very contradictory camps, those that see threat, like David Jacobs and those that see promise, like Steven Greer and Carol Rosin and John Mack. Its possible sides are right and both sides are wrong, because of the diversity of individuals and groups of Greys. Understanding this diversity as with cosmic humans is complicated by processes of artificial evolution.

Investigator and probable abductee George LoBuono got me interested in the idea of a Grey Collective and he had this to say in this regard. “Krapf is the first to outline a larger mega-population directly and in detail. It poses an overview of the Grays and the Roswell hybrids, also. We should expect to see some larger populations, given the age of the universe and the way that the Kepler satellite suggests an abundance of Earth-like planets.”

“I'll state my experience with Verdants, again. Among aliens, telepathic and remote sensing is considered a reliable evidentiary basis for data and reporting. I've interacted and have criticized Verdants and their associated aliens for years--even my kids have probably been abducted, i.e. their stories of "dreams" about going up with aliens, after one of which I found a perfect, lentil-sized scoop mark taken out of my son's foot soles (it absolutely wasn't there before).”

“In years of interactions & rigorous remote probing and questioning of Verdants, it has been as is all such interaction. I see them, the inside of their craft (faintly) and I hear urgent, clear critiques of them by other aliens. I can say that I know the manner, character and behavior of some Verdants as well as I know that of some humans with whom I have been acquainted for years. Even more so, actually, given that in such interactions you resonate into their minds, not just seeing them visually. Having interacted with them and some of their sub-populations, I have absolute zero doubt about their existence. Again, this is in a more alien-like context: where remote checking and detailed interactions are normal, every single day. “(End)

I don’t like to use ethical and moral terms like good and evil anymore to compare different races of extraterrestrials, because what the fox may consider moral and ethical, the rabbit the fox’s prey might tend to disagree. I see morality and ethics as cohesive agreements that individuals or groups or even civilizations make between themselves, so as to be able to cooperate together and rise up to a higher level of fractal above those that don’t.

Some investigators like George have come to call the agglomeration of Grey species, the Grey collective, a term for this very diverse group of individuals groups and civilizations. Likewise maybe we should call the agglomerate of galactic human species the galactic human collective. Some evidence seems to suggest that these two collectives and even other cosmic collectives may be colliding and competing, not only on earth, but on a much larger universal playing field.

I am suggesting that not only are competitive and cooperative struggles going on within collectives, but between different collectives themselves. I see all this as simply just an extension of what is happening in nature all around us, here on earth. Why should the evolutionary laws of nature not apply elsewhere? The laws of physics do not stop at the edge of space, so why should the laws of nature, politics, science and economics stop at the edge of space.

Charles Hall has told me that the TW are in a cold war with the Greys disliking even hating the Greys, and a source known to Jeff Adams claiming to be the step-son of an Air Force general with close MJ 12 connection told Jeff this: “The Nordics and the Greys had an alliance which fell apart at this same time. The Nordics, who can be quite warlike when they want to be, opened up a can of whoopass on the Greys, and the war cost the Greys a lot of ground. The Greys were apparently using the Nordics for their own purposes, and the Nordics were not amused. The US/EU/UN still works with the Greys, so we all know where this going to end.”
http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/2011/01/mj...alks-et-by.html

I have heard similar stories of conflict between cosmic humans and Greys from my local contactee friends with one saying that he doubts that the Greys are going to leave us alone anytime soon. It’s pretty obvious from abductee accounts like those of Jim Sparks that the Greys think of us as property. In this quote from Jim’s book on page 100 this point was made very clear. “They seemed to sense my rage, and they left me alone for a little bit. I was clear-headed but angry.”

“Then, instead of answering any questions, they made their presentation again, though this time in written form, in their language. I watched it and found that, again, I could comprehend it, and it all underlined their message: “We’ve been around for a while. We’ve been working on your personal family line. We know you well. Humans are ours.”

Jeff Adams source said in more detail but similar to what I have heard elsewhere on the number of ET races know to the government. “To Jeff: Just got off with some friends in the know. Here is what they had to add. They also told me what to look for -- (deleted for security reasons) there are 7 major and 57 minor alien races in our section of the universe. If we expand to include our galaxy, the number rises to 11 and 124. So much for the 'no life in the rest of the universe' theory!! LOL smile.gif

This leads me to believe that the really big picture in which we are intimately and subtly involved is a continuous struggle where the Greys are pressing and testing the defenses of the celestial human collective over wide portions of universal space. Because we are dealing with advanced sophisticated beings, the competitive struggles can be very subtle and range far beyond our normal perceptual awareness even into our individual minds creating a cosmic mental battlefield.
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/grey-extraterrestrials
Capracus
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It may be that competitive struggles start as inter-galactic psyops, a kind of advanced multidimensional chess game that may or may not degrade into open material conflict on many material worlds. An analogy would be that a family fight begins with name calling, disinformation, propaganda and lies, then may or may not degrade down into violent action.

The Greys seem to be fundamentally different than humans with some having atrophied digestive tracts as discussed in alleged military autopsy reports and may be absorbing nutrients through the skin rather than through a digestive tract. The skin may function like the inside of our digestive tracts, that’s why some feel clammy and damp and smelly when touched. There is some evidence and speculation that the mutilation of animals and even humans, where the bodies are drained of blood, that some kind of food mixture using blood, is being externally ingested into their bodies through the skin. Maybe there is something to the vampire myths after all. Most Greys interacting with abductees also seem to be lacking of feelings and deep emotions while surpassing us in intellectual abilities.

Accounts of early meeting by extraterrestrial humans with earth humans have indicated that the Eisenhower Administration and his military generals were warned by these human ETs not to get involved with the Greys. From an abundance of evidence suggesting Technology Transfer Programs, (TTP) agreements between earth humans and Greys of a Faustian nature, we can assume that this advice was not heeded. The promise of high technology was just too great and fear so high, that the military and ruling elites may have felt they had no choice but to cooperate and sell out the citizenry in a kind of modern day slave trade, hoping in time to gain enough technological knowledge for a defense.

The truth seems to be very clear that some Greys are managing the earth human race considering us their property. It’s very clear in abductee accounts that we are expected to submit to them in every way. However from reports I have been seeing, resistance has been growing from many quarters both inside the breakaway civilization and outside in the public domain. The net result seems to be a state of insider cooperation based on human failings very well understood and useful to the Greys, and in other cases, resistance, outright hostility, fighting and shoot-downs. One Special Forces patch has “Tastes like Chicken” written on it.

What is also becoming clear is that it must take thousands perhaps even tens of thousands of Greys and their hybrids cooperating with the classified breakaway civilization to manage our rapidly growing population and rapid technological evolution. The evidence suggests that these operations are headquartered in underground mazes of tunnels, military bases even underground cities on earth and now perhaps even in joint mining operations on the Moon.

Reports and books by very credible investigators like Richard Sauder in his books on underground and underwater bases http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/rsauder.html http://keyholepublishing.com/Sauder.html describes very well a little of the history behind the breakaway civilizations creation and move to extensive underground secret secure facilities beginning even before the 1950s when underground excavations and tunneling began in earnest, again seemingly in parallel with extraterrestrial contact. The following was written by Richard Sauder PhD and adapted from his book Underground Bases and Tunnels.

“The nuclear subterrene (rhymes with 'submarine') was designed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, in New Mexico. A number of patents were filed by scientists at Los Alamos, a few federal technical documents were written - and then the whole thing just sort of faded away. Or did it? Nuclear subterrenes work by melting their way through the rock and soil, actually vitrifying it as they go, and leaving a neat, solidly glass-lined tunnel behind them.

The heat is supplied by a compact nuclear reactor that circulates liquid lithium from the reactor core to the tunnel face, where it melts the rock. In the process of melting the rock the lithium loses some of its heat. It is then circulated back along the exterior of the tunneling machine to help cool the vitrified rock as the tunneling machine forces its way forward. The cooled lithium then circulates back to the reactor where the whole cycle starts over. In this way the nuclear subterrene slices through the rock like a nuclear powered, 2,000 degree Fahrenheit (1,100 Celsius) earthworm, boring its way deep underground.

The United States Atomic Energy Commission and the United States Energy Research and Development Administration took out Patents in the 1970s for nuclear subterrenes. The first patent, in 1972 went to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission.
The nuclear subterrene has an advantage over mechanical TBMs in that it produces no muck that must be disposed of by conveyors, trains, trucks, etc. This greatly simplifies tunneling. If nuclear subterrenes actually exist (and I do not know if they do) their presence, and the tunnels they make, could be very hard to detect, for the simple reason that there would not be the tell-tale muck piles or tailings dumps that are associated with the conventional tunneling activities. The 1972 patent makes this clear. It states:

"... (D) Debris may be disposed of as melted rock both as a lining for the hole and as a dispersal in cracks produced in the surrounding rock. The rock-melting drill is of a shape and is propelled under sufficient pressure to produce and extend cracks in solid rock radially around the bore by means of hydrostatic pressure developed in the molten rock ahead of the advancing rock drill penetrator. All melt not used in glass-lining the bore is forced into the cracks where it freezes and remains ...
"... Such a (vitreous) lining eliminates, in most cases, the expensive and cumbersome problem of debris elimination and at the same time achieves the advantage of a casing type of bore hole liner." U.S. Patent No. 3,693,731 dated Sept. 26, 1972 There you have it: a tunneling machine that creates no muck, and leaves a smooth, vitreous (glassy) tunnel lining behind.

Another patent three years later was for: A tunneling machine for producing large tunnels in soft rock or wet, clayey, unconsolidated or boulder earth by simultaneously detaching the tunnel core by thermal melting a boundary kerf into the tunnel face and forming a supporting excavation wall liner by deflecting the molten materials against the excavation walls to provide, when solidified, a continuous wall supporting liner, and detaching the tunnel face circumscribed by the kerf with powered mechanical earth detachment means and in which the heat required for melting the kerf and liner material is provided by a compact nuclear reactor.
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/grey-extraterrestrials
siimond182
Wow capracus! I have to admit what an amazing read. Although a little hard to comprehend it doesn't mean it's not happening all around us. The idea of the aliens feeding through thier skin is appealing to me as i wrote in my earlier replies that i believe they could be mechanically different to humans. I.e their bodies work differentley to ours maybe relying on a different type of gas or chemical to servive. But that obviousley doesnt apply to those who live on earth type planets but still its only speculation. Also agree with the fact that evolution for them would prabably still apply. I.e nature, politics, science etc. It's all a little bit crazy at the end of the day but still very interesting.. So i ask you this; if they see humans and our planet as easy picking why are they realy taking there time to claim our planet? My personal opinion is that its not happening but doesnt mean there isnt alien life because there most probably is out there!!
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