Quantom/string Theory

Blu3dud3

27th July 2012 - 10:36 AM

If you were to take 2 of the same atoms and follow there respective electrons, Even though there is a infinite possibility of going around the protons/neutrons.

If you where able to map these two, in some period of time wouldn't they overlap and follow the same path in some point in time.

Take an easy example:

First electron
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ........

Now when looking at the second electron lets say it starts at
5 next should be 6 next should be 7

Even though you are looking and mapping it at a different time period wouldn't they in term follow the same path in some point in time? As respect to string theory where strings would create atoms, and they would have the same ""Vibrations"" to make both atoms?

rpenner

27th July 2012 - 10:45 AM

But you cannot follow an electron without disturbing its path.

MDT

27th July 2012 - 02:09 PM

Another consideration is electrons travel a significant fraction of the speed of light and exist in a different reference than the lab. There are two different clocks, which can lead to uncertainty if you assume only one reference.

For example, the relativistic reference of electrons can be demonstrted with the nobel metal gold. The yellow color is due to a time shift in the reflected light because of the relativity of the outer electrons of gold. The electrons time shift everything yellow.

wikipedia; relativistic quantum chemistry

Raphie Frank

27th July 2012 - 02:42 PM

QUOTE (MDT+Jul 27 2012, 02:09 PM)

Another consideration is electrons travel a significant fraction of the speed of light

The ratio between the velocity of an electron and the speed of light is known as the Fine Structure Constant.

Blu3dud3

28th July 2012 - 04:06 AM

So still as you was using gold, That the light refracted makes the color look gold, isnt there some constant of the electrons following the same path?

So wouldn't that make the electrons instead of going in random paths, a consistent path just due in differences in time?

like i was saying in my original idea, at some point of time do they not follow the same path and there for be predictable ?????

rpenner

28th July 2012 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jul 27 2012, 02:42 PM)

The ratio between the velocity of an electron and the speed of light is known as the Fine Structure Constant.

This is a distortion of a physical truth so stretched as to render it untrue.

Blu3dud3

28th July 2012 - 07:13 PM

So would it be possible to predict the path using this idea? even though it would be nearly if not impossible to actually map the exact orbitals over time.

Wouldnt it be possible to predict the path if we could map?

brucep

29th July 2012 - 10:15 PM

QUOTE (MDT+Jul 27 2012, 02:09 PM)

Another consideration is electrons travel a significant fraction of the speed of light and exist in a different reference than the lab. There are two different clocks, which can lead to uncertainty if you assume only one reference.

For example, the relativistic reference of electrons can be demonstrted with the nobel metal gold. The yellow color is due to a time shift in the reflected light because of the relativity of the outer electrons of gold. The electrons time shift everything yellow.

wikipedia; relativistic quantum chemistry

That's complete nonsense. According to you the CERN laboratory measurement devices can't measure the results of particle experiments because the experiment includes moving particles.

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