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Nick
Imagine a grid of points. Matter can only exist at these points in space in motion.

Everything jiggles.

Mitch Raemsch -- Light FELL --
Tor
You're sooo deeep - we can't reach down to you!

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Zephir
QUOTE (Tor+Dec 1 2006, 10:28 PM)
You're sooo deeep - we can't reach down to you!

Mio Dio come sono caduta in basso!

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amrit
time can not be made out of quanta
because is not physical
motion is physical
with clocks we measure duration of motion into atemporal space
time is of the mind

i say that for 19 times
and still no all friends got it
so i repeat
Zephir
QUOTE (amrit+Dec 1 2006, 10:51 PM)
...with clocks we measure duration of motion into atemporal space...

Whereas the blind bat is measuring the space with time intervals... Or we can measure the speed of motion into motionless space..

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The semantic stance of yours explains or predicts nothing, Amrit. It can be easily transformed into other two by cyclic replacing the time concept by the space and motion concepts. We have no nonrecursive explanation of time/space/motion concepts yet.

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AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (Zephir+Dec 1 2006, 09:17 PM)
I told you this for 19 times... cool.gif

IRONY ALERT!!! WARNING, EXTREMELY HIGH IRONY LEVELS
mott.carl
can there is space-time quanta,as lattices contiguos,then the atoms and quantas
are deformations of tissues of space-time,that generates the "holes" that are
encapsulated locally energies,that "cut" the space-time and two quantic subspaces,and so until the infinite.then have the motion in space-time intervals,each one contiguos at the others.then the the quantizations are generated
by the space-times curves then in that curvatures haves the events past and futures that already unified by nets of informations send to the future,and that twisted remit that information to the past,in circularity of the motions.then STR and
STG is linked to the quantas as supertimes and superspaces that are metrics of
space-time through of riemannian topology geometry,that are the geons that leads
to the communications amongs the events,distants of the universe,as principle of mach that turn the gravity as reactions of the inetial generated simultaneouly by all the mass of universe.then the gravity are reactions produced by the smallers particles of the bodies,as if lift a body in the gravitational fieldof earth the resistence is not due at the gravity of earth,but yes due the influences of all the
others particles that are the somatorium of all the masses of the universe.
then the curvatures of space-time are compremied,and therefore the curvatures
of space-time when suffer breakdown,it is,the space-time is twisted itself,and are
the quantum in space-times
AlphaNumeric
^ Looks like someone flicked through a page on supersymmetry during his travels through Google, with the mention of 'superspace' or perhaps he's just adding prefixes to things because he wants to sound fancy.

What's a quantic subspace? Why do space-time curves get generated by 'nets of information'? What's a 'geon'? What's a 'somatorium'? What does space-time suffering 'breakdown' mean?

Another jumble of gibberish from Mott.
Zephir
I can see a certain flaw in our understanding of emptiness as a zero energy field. The zero is the manifestation of some equilibrium state. But each the zero energy can be even lower, decreasing towards the negative values. Whereas the true emptiness should be formed by the negative infinity, which cannot be lower furthermore.

By such way, each the observed zero energy field, like the vacuum, is the state of infinite positive energy density, in fact. This gives some sense, because by the AWT each the matter/energy is mediated by the environment formed by the even higher mass/energy density.
StevenA
I agree, Nick, though it might not even be a uniform grid.

Field theories have a problem with handling discrete events - you might try to place discrete, point like, particles into an infinite field or continuum, but then you end up having a problem trying to describe the field through which they interact - at some point you have to be able to turn something into a 1 or 0, yes or no etc.

Instead if you quantize both space (time comes in discrete events and under relativity time = distance anyway, so distances would be quantized) and the particles within it, then you can simultaneous have what appear to be point like particles, but with spacial characteristics as well (as each "cell" of space occupies a finite time or volume and you're dealing with ratios of real integers without infinities or singularities).

So particles don't need to have a separate field - whatever "cell" of space they're in (which might not even be a uniform physical grid) becomes the field as interactions could occur at that cell. In this case there might appear to be a "particle" of space that appears to create fields of interaction and could inhabit a volume of space (possible variable volume, depending upon the density of other particles around it) and it could appear to be a catalyst for interactions between other particles, but doesn't exist as a physical particle detectable in isolation (much like quarks can only be found in pairs and appear to have some strong binding force that doesn't appear to be altered by distance).

You can generate what appear to be uniform fields by using massive recursion and iterating a small number of operations on a large scale. When you average results or look at diffusion over time, you get nice spherical shapes and the appearance of a Euclidean space, but you don't actually need that as an underlying "fabric" of space - statistics smooths out the rough edges, until you look close up at the details.
Nick
QUOTE (StevenA+Dec 2 2006, 01:36 AM)
I agree, Nick, though it might not even be a uniform grid.

You can generate what appear to be uniform fields by using massive recursion and iterating a small number of operations on a large scale. When you average results or look at diffusion over time, you get nice spherical shapes and the appearance of a Euclidean space, but you don't actually need that as an underlying "fabric" of space - statistics smooths out the rough edges, until you look close up at the details.

The grid must be curved.
Nick
It looks like matter can be in only certain "quantized" places along a space-time grid. This is Planck Space-Time. How long matter can be at any given point in the grid is a function of quatized time. Look at graph paper. That is the analogy of quantized space.

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Fell --


StevenA
QUOTE (Nick+Dec 2 2006, 07:24 PM)
It looks like matter can be in only certain "quantized" places along a space-time grid. This is Planck Space-Time. How long matter can be at any given point in the grid is a function of quatized time. Look at graph paper. That is the analogy of quantized space.

Mitch Raemsch -- Light Fell --


I agree it can't be entirely uniform, or at least if everything in the universe was entirely uniform, you wouldn't be able to distinguish anything in this uniformity. Generally, the non-uniformities are assigned to particles, but you could possibly assign the non-uniformity to space itself, with the observation of particles being similar to a focal point of some spacial feature or a characteristic resonant pathway through space etc.

The uniform, spherical Euclidean characteristics we see to space could easily result from averaging observations on large scales. If you take a sponge, with many irregular features within it, and place a drop of water on it, the water, given enough time, appears to spread in a roughly spherical manner, though almost none of the individual motions of water molecules actually moved outward in this fashion, but statistically over the long haul, this uniform spherical pattern is seen. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion)

So uniformity can appear to dominate over large scales, but not necessarily exist in a similar fashion at extremely small scales.
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