I moved safes for ten year. I'm way friggin smart.
Haven't read all the rules and don't know if this is bad form here but...I have my theory all laid out with drawings on another site. No lost tech, no aliens, no cranes or sleds. Simple tried and true blue collar safe moving techniques applied to the big pointed thing in Egypt. All there. From quarry to tip. It's so simple you're gonna freak. Only tools for moving blocks are rollers, levers, cribs, some rope and men to pull on it. It's all there, in detail.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/123986-post1.html
If that scares you, search the net for political debate forums. Go to forum "Science and Technology" the thread "How to build pyramid" I'm named teacher there. You don't have to join to read this. But you'll be joining. I challenge you to find a fault in my method.
This is it kids, it's over, I'm serious, which you will learn is something for me. Ya'll can't handle this.
So guys, I've been looking for a place with smart people to go over my theory. I came here instead.
I don't know much about the subject of pyramid construction but I enjoyed seeing your diagrams of the process you're assuming.
The second image in the sequence you posted seems the most difficult:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/attachments/...pg?d=1130225133
I think the lever would be using a rounded fulcrum instead of a square block, as there would be a lot of pressure when the lever encounters the edges. The lever would also be seeing a lot of stress at this point, and maybe winching up one side of the block would help redistribute some of the weight, but of course that would be more work.
I like the idea of building an intermediate rock stairway to create a series of smaller steps, and that could have been removed later.
But again, I don't know much about this subject. Assuming the dimensions are correct in your example, the question seems whether or not a lever could support that much weight.
The second image in the sequence you posted seems the most difficult:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/attachments/...pg?d=1130225133
I think the lever would be using a rounded fulcrum instead of a square block, as there would be a lot of pressure when the lever encounters the edges. The lever would also be seeing a lot of stress at this point, and maybe winching up one side of the block would help redistribute some of the weight, but of course that would be more work.
I like the idea of building an intermediate rock stairway to create a series of smaller steps, and that could have been removed later.
But again, I don't know much about this subject. Assuming the dimensions are correct in your example, the question seems whether or not a lever could support that much weight.
Marchimedes,
"Assembling" the Pyramid is the EASY part!
Now all you have to do is make a steel "safe" without metal tools, welders, etc.
Quarrying, transporting, dressing & facing, etc. are by far the more difficult part of the job.
However, a toast to "movers of big things" (you included)!
T.Roc
"Assembling" the Pyramid is the EASY part!
Now all you have to do is make a steel "safe" without metal tools, welders, etc.
Quarrying, transporting, dressing & facing, etc. are by far the more difficult part of the job.
However, a toast to "movers of big things" (you included)!
T.Roc
QUOTE (StevenA+)
.. the question seems whether or not a lever could support that much weight.
Perhaps that part of the problem should be subcontracted out to an engineering forum.
Assuming the lever is wood and it can work .. should be easy enough to work out the stresses.. would wood fail? Give me a week or two and I'll do it.
My experience of moving heavy things suggests that the last thing you need is a smartass. A team with lots of experience is what you need.
-C2.
QUOTE (Confused2+Aug 6 2006, 07:58 PM)
QUOTE (StevenA+)
.. the question seems whether or not a lever could support that much weight.
Perhaps that part of the problem should be subcontracted out to an engineering forum.
Assuming the lever is wood and it can work .. should be easy enough to work out the stresses.. would wood fail? Give me a week or two and I'll do it.
My experience of moving heavy things suggests that the last thing you need is a smartass. A team with lots of experience is what you need.
-C2.
QUOTE (StevenA+)
.. the question seems whether or not a lever could support that much weight.
QUOTE
Perhaps that part of the problem should be subcontracted out to an engineering forum.
O let a guy that moved lots of heavy things (safes, vaul doos, night drops, Safe Dwposite boxes, modula vaults, small buildings) for ten years tell you "yea, no problem".QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Perhaps that part of the problem should be subcontracted out to an engineering forum. |
O let a guy that moved lots of heavy things (safes, vaul doos, night drops, Safe Dwposite boxes, modula vaults, small buildings) for ten years tell you "yea, no problem".
Assuming the lever is wood and it can work .. should be easy enough to work out the stresses.. would wood fail? Give me a week or two and I'll do it.
Week or two alone you will learn what was taught to me by a master and used lng time?
Cracking wise makes things heavier?
Cracking wise makes things heavier?
A team with lots of experience is what you need.
Like me and my coworkers.
Do you want this block shifted or not?
OK, I'll leave it where it is until somebody comes along and wants it moved. Bound to happen. Always does.
-C2.
Works on all the other sites, how to fix this.
Unless you don't WANT to know how the pyramids were built, then nevermind.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/385393-post279.html
And I have my own new forum at...
www.hardcorepolitics.com
Soon there will be the answers to Stonehenge, the obelisks, Jupiter stones, Azetec and Myan pyramids.
I moved safes and vault doors.
It's just that simple.
Palpatane --- It may have been in CROP CIRCLES but somewhere back I explained
"Mount Rushmore"
No but there will be new ones. Closest to new that I have seen are the Pingos off to my left flying to tuck-tuck.
Palpatane --- The whole of the Universe and beyond is alive!
Well, Well, Its about time!
I caught a bit on the radio last night regarding evidence that the Pyramids of Giza were not built by Egyptians.
Nothing said about the possibility of them growing, but its a start.
Bruce
San Andreas Falt Observatory At Depth SAFOD Earth Scope
Bruce
adoucette --- You might try Pacific Geoscience Centre (North Saanich British Columbia) and check out Times Colonist Wednesday August 10 2005 Boring into seismic secrets localnews@tc.canwest.com
Also TV series Discovery has done programs on the Drilling thats been done into the San Andreas Fault. The above explains the US involvement with Pacific Geoscience Centre and why the US in their alloted 300 million dollars are drilling three free holes on Vancouver Island B.C. Canada.
It is my discovery that it is the tone of sound interacting with Earth forces that create the vibration known as Earth Quake. The tone of sound regulates the severity of vibration and by installing and monitoring a listening devise, early warning of a quake, severe or otherwise would be possible.
August 2000 I started disclosure proceedings with the B.C. Government that included Pacific Geoscience Centre on Vancouver Island. I do not wish to disclose names and departments on this forum.
Good STUPH
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
You see ForeverApprentice this is what I've been talking about. With the two nuclei orbits of compressed sand the results are building blocks of the Giza Pyramid. Some minerals the likes of bismuth and some of the other odd rock formations you find are in transition from two to three nucleus nuclei orbits. In that transition you can have a new forming orbit running amok to leave deformed crystal shapes.
If you pay attention you will notice deformity in all, three orbit (six poled) phenomenon, snow flakes, honeycomb, crystal etc.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
N O M --- Your Intension's are not Honorable
For any one else you may want to check on patent file #s
Canada 2,091972 US 08/209,315
N O M --- Your Intension's are not Honorable
For any one else you may want to check on patent file #s
Canada 2,091972 US 08/209,315
August 2000 I started disclosure proceedings with the B.C. Government that included Pacific Geoscience Centre on Vancouver Island. I do not wish to disclose names and departments on this forum.
Good STUPH
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
To comprehend the natural forming of the Pyramids of Giza it would help to first understand other phenomenon.
Bruce
About five thousand years ago Egyptian hieroglyphics were developed. It wasn’t until the 4th dynasty of pharaohs that pyramids were supposedly used as royal tombs.
It is obvious to me that the smaller, easier to get at pyramids were being dismantled (quarried) for town building materials. I suspect royal tombs to have been a way to lay claim to this valuable building material.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
About five thousand years ago Egyptian hieroglyphics were developed. It wasn’t until the 4th dynasty of pharaohs that pyramids were supposedly used as royal tombs.
Bruce
Assuming the lever is wood and it can work .. should be easy enough to work out the stresses.. would wood fail? Give me a week or two and I'll do it.
Week or two alone you will learn what was taught to me by a master and used lng time?
QUOTE
My experience of moving heavy things suggests that the last thing you need is a smartass.
Cracking wise makes things heavier?
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| My experience of moving heavy things suggests that the last thing you need is a smartass. |
Cracking wise makes things heavier?
A team with lots of experience is what you need.
Like me and my coworkers.
Marchimedes,
Ok, old topic and its been long since I read on it.
Anyway, you propose 2.3million blocks weighing on average ~5000lbs/2268Kg, can be pushed on roll by a "muscle man" in image 3, and what exactly will be supporting this weight, from underneath (without being crushed/tilting), and how do you expect a human to push/roll this up?
What about this lever bar application, and its material; would it sustain the forces applied to it, and bear the weight without snapping instantly?
What is the composition material of this lever, in availability at that time?
How much strength do you reckon it takes to push/lever 2268Kg even an inch, let alone an inch at over 30degrees in slope, with a "roller" on top, to counter "backward" roll?
Dont you think in image 4, if after the lever is lifting the block, onto the roller on the next level, UNLESS a strong/consistent push is made, the block will roll back down/fall back?
What do you think would happen IF it fell back on you, ~2.5ton that is?
Thanks.
Ok, old topic and its been long since I read on it.
Anyway, you propose 2.3million blocks weighing on average ~5000lbs/2268Kg, can be pushed on roll by a "muscle man" in image 3, and what exactly will be supporting this weight, from underneath (without being crushed/tilting), and how do you expect a human to push/roll this up?
What about this lever bar application, and its material; would it sustain the forces applied to it, and bear the weight without snapping instantly?
What is the composition material of this lever, in availability at that time?
How much strength do you reckon it takes to push/lever 2268Kg even an inch, let alone an inch at over 30degrees in slope, with a "roller" on top, to counter "backward" roll?
Dont you think in image 4, if after the lever is lifting the block, onto the roller on the next level, UNLESS a strong/consistent push is made, the block will roll back down/fall back?
What do you think would happen IF it fell back on you, ~2.5ton that is?
Thanks.
Hi Marchimedes,
I'm on it. Can you check out where I'm up to so far?
I don't doubt what you say but there do seem to be a few doubting Thomas's (or Thomasinas - can't tell nowadays) .
Need to know how far the end under the block is going to be from the pivot .. this should give us the number of levers required and the number of chaps required to hang on to them.
Being too lazy to actually look at the tiny drawings I'll guess pivot is about 6 inches from the block.
Chaps will be pulling about (say) 5 feet from the pivot giving a mechanical advantage of about 10:1
And we want to lift about 5,000 lbs.
So we need 500 lbs of force ..
Two guys per lever could do about 100 lbs force so we need 5 pairs per block. Possibly a bit crowded .. how's it going so far?
You could move the pivot closer to the block .. depends on the plan and how many years you've got.
All comments welcome.
-Confused2.
Background stuff before I lose it..
Some figures for wood.
http://www.woodbin.com/ref/wood/strength_table.htm
Tensile strength for wood seems to be greater than compression strength so we can expect failure from compression and ignore tension.
I'm on it. Can you check out where I'm up to so far?
I don't doubt what you say but there do seem to be a few doubting Thomas's (or Thomasinas - can't tell nowadays) .
Need to know how far the end under the block is going to be from the pivot .. this should give us the number of levers required and the number of chaps required to hang on to them.
Being too lazy to actually look at the tiny drawings I'll guess pivot is about 6 inches from the block.
Chaps will be pulling about (say) 5 feet from the pivot giving a mechanical advantage of about 10:1
And we want to lift about 5,000 lbs.
So we need 500 lbs of force ..
Two guys per lever could do about 100 lbs force so we need 5 pairs per block. Possibly a bit crowded .. how's it going so far?
You could move the pivot closer to the block .. depends on the plan and how many years you've got.
All comments welcome.
-Confused2.
Background stuff before I lose it..
Some figures for wood.
http://www.woodbin.com/ref/wood/strength_table.htm
Tensile strength for wood seems to be greater than compression strength so we can expect failure from compression and ignore tension.
They weren't cut and hauled, they were poured.
http://www.geopolymer.org/category/archaeology/pyramids/
Arthur
http://www.geopolymer.org/category/archaeology/pyramids/
Arthur
If they were cast in situ I suspect they would either fit better or worse than what they do.
Which brings us back to..
Do you want this block shifted or not?
-C2.
Which brings us back to..
Do you want this block shifted or not?
-C2.
QUOTE (Confused2+Aug 10 2006, 04:56 PM)
If they were cast in situ I suspect they would either fit better or worse than what they do.
Which brings us back to..
Do you want this block shifted or not?
-C2.
The fact that they FIT SO WELL has always been one of the main mysteries of how they were built. Casting them in place SOLVES that problem.
In fact it SOLVES ALL THE PROBLEMS of how they were built.
Arthur
Which brings us back to..
Do you want this block shifted or not?
-C2.
The fact that they FIT SO WELL has always been one of the main mysteries of how they were built. Casting them in place SOLVES that problem.
In fact it SOLVES ALL THE PROBLEMS of how they were built.
Arthur
QUOTE (me+)
Do you want this block shifted or not?
OK, I'll leave it where it is until somebody comes along and wants it moved. Bound to happen. Always does.
-C2.
I'm not taking sides here .. just posting stuff as I find it.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/material.htm
From the photo of the quarry it is clear those guys knew a lot about cutting stone.
The concrete claim extends to many types of stone.
http://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/pyra...he-evidences/1/
As I see it the technology to crush large amounts of stone (of various types) sufficiently finely that even a casual passerby would mistake it for native rock is about as difficult as cutting blocks out in one go.
Quite a few people must have looked at these stones with magnifying glasses .. possibly even with microscopes. It seems to have been possible to identify where the rocks came from without noticing they had been scrunched up and reconstituted later .. ???
One writer speaks of diorite being too hard to carve therefore it must have been cast. Just a magnifying glass would answer this. If you can't carve it then how do you crush it so fine that nobody has noticed before? I don't think many rocks can be turned into concrete .. if one rock was used as the aggregate in another it would be sooo glaringly obvious .. and yet it hasn't been reported.
-C2.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/material.htm
From the photo of the quarry it is clear those guys knew a lot about cutting stone.
The concrete claim extends to many types of stone.
http://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/pyra...he-evidences/1/
As I see it the technology to crush large amounts of stone (of various types) sufficiently finely that even a casual passerby would mistake it for native rock is about as difficult as cutting blocks out in one go.
Quite a few people must have looked at these stones with magnifying glasses .. possibly even with microscopes. It seems to have been possible to identify where the rocks came from without noticing they had been scrunched up and reconstituted later .. ???
One writer speaks of diorite being too hard to carve therefore it must have been cast. Just a magnifying glass would answer this. If you can't carve it then how do you crush it so fine that nobody has noticed before? I don't think many rocks can be turned into concrete .. if one rock was used as the aggregate in another it would be sooo glaringly obvious .. and yet it hasn't been reported.
-C2.
QUOTE (bang4thebuck+Aug 10 2006, 01:23 AM)
Marchimedes,
Ok, old topic and its been long since I read on it.
Anyway, you propose 2.3million blocks weighing on average ~5000lbs/2268Kg, can be pushed on roll by a "muscle man" in image 3, and what exactly will be supporting this weight, from underneath (without being crushed/tilting), and how do you expect a human to push/roll this up?
What about this lever bar application, and its material; would it sustain the forces applied to it, and bear the weight without snapping instantly?
What is the composition material of this lever, in availability at that time?
How much strength do you reckon it takes to push/lever 2268Kg even an inch, let alone an inch at over 30degrees in slope, with a "roller" on top, to counter "backward" roll?
Dont you think in image 4, if after the lever is lifting the block, onto the roller on the next level, UNLESS a strong/consistent push is made, the block will roll back down/fall back?
What do you think would happen IF it fell back on you, ~2.5ton that is?
Thanks.
Check that site again, I've made it a little easier to get the gist quickly.
Poured in place, that's so debunked.
Ok, old topic and its been long since I read on it.
Anyway, you propose 2.3million blocks weighing on average ~5000lbs/2268Kg, can be pushed on roll by a "muscle man" in image 3, and what exactly will be supporting this weight, from underneath (without being crushed/tilting), and how do you expect a human to push/roll this up?
What about this lever bar application, and its material; would it sustain the forces applied to it, and bear the weight without snapping instantly?
What is the composition material of this lever, in availability at that time?
How much strength do you reckon it takes to push/lever 2268Kg even an inch, let alone an inch at over 30degrees in slope, with a "roller" on top, to counter "backward" roll?
Dont you think in image 4, if after the lever is lifting the block, onto the roller on the next level, UNLESS a strong/consistent push is made, the block will roll back down/fall back?
What do you think would happen IF it fell back on you, ~2.5ton that is?
Thanks.
Check that site again, I've made it a little easier to get the gist quickly.
Poured in place, that's so debunked.
I don't understand how this 'poured' 'not poured' thing can be be so difficult to resolve. If the blocks are cast then there will be no fossils poking out so no fossil will ever be cut and if they are sawn then the fossil orientation will be random right up to the edge and many will be sawn through. All I need is a trip to Egypt and ten minutes with a magnifying glass and I'll know the answer. Since the pouring fans have produced no evidence of the type of edge to be expected from pouring then I guess they don't have that evidence which means they don't have a case.
Are the fossils sawn through or not?
-C2.
Are the fossils sawn through or not?
-C2.
QUOTE (Confused2+Aug 20 2006, 09:43 AM)
I don't understand how this 'poured' 'not poured' thing can be be so difficult to resolve. If the blocks are cast then there will be no fossils poking out so no fossil will ever be cut and if they are sawn then the fossil orientation will be random right up to the edge and many will be sawn through. All I need is a trip to Egypt and ten minutes with a magnifying glass and I'll know the answer. Since the pouring fans have produced no evidence of the type of edge to be expected from pouring then I guess they don't have that evidence which means they don't have a case.
Are the fossils sawn through or not?
-C2.
Actually I don't think the answer is quite that easily arrived at.
See the last years agenda at the Geopolyer inst:
Session 7: Geopolymer Applications to Archaeology
1 - Synthetic stone in Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia: manufacture of synthetic lava and synthetic basalt and decipherment of the C-14 Irtysen Stele (2000 B.C.)
Joseph. Davidovits
2 - Why Djoser’s blue Egyptian faience tiles are not blue? Manufacturing Djoser’s faience tiles at temperatures as low as 250°C?
Joseph Davidovits and Ralph Davidovits
3 - Latest analysis on pyramid stones supporting Joseph Davidovits’ theory
a) PIXE, PIGE and NMR studies of the masonry of the pyramid of Cheops at Giza (Guy Demortier)
Microstructural investigations of pyramid stones and natural Giza stones at various scales (Gilles Hug)
c) Synchrotron radiation and other measurements on limestone-based material from the Nile basin (E. Pantos)
d) The making of 15 tonnes of Egyptian pyramid stones the Diaporama: Summer 2002 (Geopolymer Institute and CORDI-Géopolymère)
Arthur
Are the fossils sawn through or not?
-C2.
Actually I don't think the answer is quite that easily arrived at.
See the last years agenda at the Geopolyer inst:
Session 7: Geopolymer Applications to Archaeology
1 - Synthetic stone in Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia: manufacture of synthetic lava and synthetic basalt and decipherment of the C-14 Irtysen Stele (2000 B.C.)
Joseph. Davidovits
2 - Why Djoser’s blue Egyptian faience tiles are not blue? Manufacturing Djoser’s faience tiles at temperatures as low as 250°C?
Joseph Davidovits and Ralph Davidovits
3 - Latest analysis on pyramid stones supporting Joseph Davidovits’ theory
a) PIXE, PIGE and NMR studies of the masonry of the pyramid of Cheops at Giza (Guy Demortier)
Microstructural investigations of pyramid stones and natural Giza stones at various scales (Gilles Hug)c) Synchrotron radiation and other measurements on limestone-based material from the Nile basin (E. Pantos)
d) The making of 15 tonnes of Egyptian pyramid stones the Diaporama: Summer 2002 (Geopolymer Institute and CORDI-Géopolymère)
Arthur
Erm... I dont think so.
Khufu (2589-2566 BC) pharoah, was the 4th Dynasty (2613-2498) pharaoh who built the Great Pyramid of Giza. Originally, the Great Pyramid stood 481 feet (146.6 m) tall.
To minimize many of the previous errors, the attention to precision produced a pyramid whose base is level within 2.1 cm (less than 1 in!), with the only difference in the length of the sides being 4.4 cm (1.75 in). The blocks used in the pyramid are large, with a commonly stated average of 2.5 tons. Many blocks are indeed smaller than this, the blocks toward the top decrease in size. Some of the casing stones at the base are very large, weighing as much as 15 tons. The heaviest blocks are the granite blocks used to roof the kings chambers and the weight relieving chambers above the king’s chamber. These are estimated to weigh from 50 to 80 tons each!!
A site with much info, a tour of Khufus Great Pyramid, findings, links and accurate archaelogical facts:
http://guardians.net/egypt/gp1.htm
Good luck, picking the 50-80ton roofings!
Mayb you'll like this too:
http://www.cheops.org/
Khufu (2589-2566 BC) pharoah, was the 4th Dynasty (2613-2498) pharaoh who built the Great Pyramid of Giza. Originally, the Great Pyramid stood 481 feet (146.6 m) tall.
To minimize many of the previous errors, the attention to precision produced a pyramid whose base is level within 2.1 cm (less than 1 in!), with the only difference in the length of the sides being 4.4 cm (1.75 in). The blocks used in the pyramid are large, with a commonly stated average of 2.5 tons. Many blocks are indeed smaller than this, the blocks toward the top decrease in size. Some of the casing stones at the base are very large, weighing as much as 15 tons. The heaviest blocks are the granite blocks used to roof the kings chambers and the weight relieving chambers above the king’s chamber. These are estimated to weigh from 50 to 80 tons each!!
A site with much info, a tour of Khufus Great Pyramid, findings, links and accurate archaelogical facts:
http://guardians.net/egypt/gp1.htm
Good luck, picking the 50-80ton roofings!
Mayb you'll like this too:
http://www.cheops.org/
Works on all the other sites, how to fix this.
Unless you don't WANT to know how the pyramids were built, then nevermind.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/385393-post279.html
And I have my own new forum at...
www.hardcorepolitics.com
Soon there will be the answers to Stonehenge, the obelisks, Jupiter stones, Azetec and Myan pyramids.
I moved safes and vault doors.
It's just that simple.
This is the first time i have done this , so i do'nt know the correct proceedure so please bare with me . If i was given the task of building the great pyramids and was given the manpower and resources to do it . I would simply choose a solid piece of low lying land to the east of the Nile floodplains . Here it would be easy to dam the Nile and create a channel from the upstream side of the dam . This channel would follow the Niles Southern bank to were the pyramids actually stand . With the manpower it would be possible to construct a dam wall 500 feet high surrounding the worksite and becomming one with the newly formed channel . After excavating the site too a solid and level surface it would be a simple matter of allowing , say two metres of water too enter the site , the channel would also have two metres of water in it allowing very large reed barges to deliver the stone blocks carried down the Nile from the east . An even larger reed barge with a cantilevered crane jib with counter weights at the rear would be responsible for the lowering into place the stone blocks . The water level in the dam constantly giving an accurate level of the courses of stones . After the first course of stones are laid it is simply a matter of letting in more water to allow the second and subsequent courses to be constructed . The dam wall and the building of the pyramid could be done at the same time as long as the wall remains ahead of the structure . The only thing required for this to work is that you need to draw your water supply far enough to the east on the country to allow for the 500 foot of water depth needed to reach the top of the pyramid . After construction the dam is simply drained and removed , and 2000 years of wind and rain removes all traces of the dam . Even though the thought of the dam is mind boggling you have to remember the lives of two million slaves were consumed over twenty years , more than enough to complete the task . This method removes most of the back breaking work associated with the building of the pyramids . The one thing that i can not answer is how they quarried the stone .
Again (Earth Quakes) SORRY to burst bubbles but the Pyramids of Giza and the likes were not built by Egyptians or Aliens.
They simply evolved (grew)!
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
They simply evolved (grew)!
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Bruce, did they grow into square cones with shafts inside and carved heiroglyphics haha?
orical 1
It was just shown on Discovery channel how a company is growing diamonds. I can explain how the pyramids grew but believe me your not ready for that yet. Stay tuned--- and what about those guys screwing around with Mt Rushmore?
Bruce
It was just shown on Discovery channel how a company is growing diamonds. I can explain how the pyramids grew but believe me your not ready for that yet. Stay tuned--- and what about those guys screwing around with Mt Rushmore?
Bruce
QUOTE (Bruce Voigt+Dec 19 2006, 01:50 PM)
I can explain how the pyramids grew but believe me your not ready for that yet. Stay tuned
Sums up this idiot pretty well. He's arrogant as well as a loony
Sums up this idiot pretty well. He's arrogant as well as a loony
It seems to me that if the stones at Giza had been "poured", they would be a lot more symmetrical than they are, having set up wooden molds for each stone. It would probably also mean that where one stone was made on top of another, then the stones would actually be joined together physically rather than just laying on top of one another.
There have in the past been a few good programmes on TV about pyramid building which explained all the complex problems.
There have in the past been a few good programmes on TV about pyramid building which explained all the complex problems.
oracle1, kaneda and all other Egyptologists, I came across this involving two highly respected scientific journals, Nature and the Journal of the American Ceramics Society...
NATURE report on pyramid limestone concrete
in News, on 15 Dec 2006. Tags: egypt, paper, pyramid, re agglomeration.
The scientific magazine NATURE, vol. 444, Nr. 7171 (14 december 2006) writes in his News about the recent analysis on pyramid stones:
Materials Science: Concrete evidence
A. VAN ZANDBERGEN/LPI
J. Am. Ceram. Soc. 89, 3788–3796 (2006)
Some of the massive blocks making up the great pyramids of Giza in Egypt (pictured) are not limestone, but a synthetic mix like concrete, argue materials scientists.
The paper by Michel Barsoum of Drexel University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and his colleagues is the latest entry in a decades-long argument. Most Egyptologists reject the idea, put forth in the mid-1980s by French chemist Joseph Davidovits, that the pyramids contain concrete.
Barsoum’s team took a fresh look at 15 samples using scanning- and transmission-electron microscopes. The samples contain ratios of elements, such as calcium and magnesium, that do not exist in nearby limestone. The imaging also revealed regions of amorphous structure. Both observations suggest that other substances were added to make a concrete mix, say the authors.
This still sounds somehow strange to me. Old belief systems shattered? We need to ask Zahi Hawass if he believes this. I spent a whole month in Egypt, traveling from Cairo to Abu Simbel and covering most of the major temples and sites on both sides of the Nile between them. I saw first hand evidence of the cutting of a large obelisk from the quarry where all of the pink granite comes from. It is on its side (horizontal) and has been nearly completely freed from the matrix, but was never completed. This 50 or more ton block would have had to be lifted from the matrix and transported quite a distance to reach Luxor or Karnak where several other obelisks from the same quarry are known to stand. The shafts in some of the pyramids are known to be roofed with granite from the same source, requiring even longer transport distances. Egyptology is extremely interesting with many major new discoveries made in our lifetimes. The quest for knowledge never ends!
NATURE report on pyramid limestone concrete
in News, on 15 Dec 2006. Tags: egypt, paper, pyramid, re agglomeration.
The scientific magazine NATURE, vol. 444, Nr. 7171 (14 december 2006) writes in his News about the recent analysis on pyramid stones:
Materials Science: Concrete evidence
A. VAN ZANDBERGEN/LPI
J. Am. Ceram. Soc. 89, 3788–3796 (2006)
Some of the massive blocks making up the great pyramids of Giza in Egypt (pictured) are not limestone, but a synthetic mix like concrete, argue materials scientists.
The paper by Michel Barsoum of Drexel University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and his colleagues is the latest entry in a decades-long argument. Most Egyptologists reject the idea, put forth in the mid-1980s by French chemist Joseph Davidovits, that the pyramids contain concrete.
Barsoum’s team took a fresh look at 15 samples using scanning- and transmission-electron microscopes. The samples contain ratios of elements, such as calcium and magnesium, that do not exist in nearby limestone. The imaging also revealed regions of amorphous structure. Both observations suggest that other substances were added to make a concrete mix, say the authors.
This still sounds somehow strange to me. Old belief systems shattered? We need to ask Zahi Hawass if he believes this. I spent a whole month in Egypt, traveling from Cairo to Abu Simbel and covering most of the major temples and sites on both sides of the Nile between them. I saw first hand evidence of the cutting of a large obelisk from the quarry where all of the pink granite comes from. It is on its side (horizontal) and has been nearly completely freed from the matrix, but was never completed. This 50 or more ton block would have had to be lifted from the matrix and transported quite a distance to reach Luxor or Karnak where several other obelisks from the same quarry are known to stand. The shafts in some of the pyramids are known to be roofed with granite from the same source, requiring even longer transport distances. Egyptology is extremely interesting with many major new discoveries made in our lifetimes. The quest for knowledge never ends!
photojack.
Pity they did not check the limestone where the blocks were said to have been quarried. Once you put a block on a raft, it does not matter whether it floats five miles or five hundred miles on a river, particularly if it is downstream.
The step pyramid near Giza shows signs that it's sides were once smooth, with a coating (a fair bit still there) put over the stone blocks.
I actually spent five weeks in Egypt. Not a lot in Alexandria. You didn't miss anything.
Pyramids are built in a shape you would expect of blocks laid on top of one another. If you can actually manufacture the blocks on site, or better, on location, pouring the mix into wooden molds, you are effectively making huge bricks. Which then means you could make huge square buildings and such to the gods and for the dead. There are none of these. Why was the process lost?
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that do not exist in nearby limestone
Pity they did not check the limestone where the blocks were said to have been quarried. Once you put a block on a raft, it does not matter whether it floats five miles or five hundred miles on a river, particularly if it is downstream.
The step pyramid near Giza shows signs that it's sides were once smooth, with a coating (a fair bit still there) put over the stone blocks.
I actually spent five weeks in Egypt. Not a lot in Alexandria. You didn't miss anything.
Pyramids are built in a shape you would expect of blocks laid on top of one another. If you can actually manufacture the blocks on site, or better, on location, pouring the mix into wooden molds, you are effectively making huge bricks. Which then means you could make huge square buildings and such to the gods and for the dead. There are none of these. Why was the process lost?
Exploring a dried up creek bed you will find pockets of sand or stone being uniquely the same size shape and color. This phenomenon is not by random.
What you need to build the likes of the pyramids of Giza is time, multiple ocean movement and particle interacting Aura.
Bruce Say's, Birds of a feather STICK together!
Bruce Voigt
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What you need to build the likes of the pyramids of Giza is time, multiple ocean movement and particle interacting Aura.
Bruce Say's, Birds of a feather STICK together!
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
A grain of sand will have a nucleus with two same direction orbits of its nuclei creating its own aura that is repelling another grain of sand leaving a space between each grain.
A time comes when sand is covered over with water and congregates in an area to a thickness of say one foot. Another time comes (ICE AGE) when the weight of the ice compresses the sand and now instead of repelling, each grain is forced to take on an orbit direction that has each grain attracting. A bond over time will form leaving what would appear to be a slab of sandstone but really the nuclei aura are territorial to a nucleus leaving slightly joined blocks.
A time comes when the ice is no longer and an Earthquake breaks up the slab of sandstone into blocks. Oceans come and go and in time the Aura of the four poles that were created from the two same direction orbiting nuclei have these blocks (like the unique piles of sand or rocks that you find in the dry-ed up creek bed) forming the likes of the Pyramid of Giza.
Buried slabs of sandstone are still being found and if the slab is hammered just right you can produce blocks of uniformity.
If you use my science with my name you are welcome
If it is used with out my name then it is Piracy.
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A time comes when sand is covered over with water and congregates in an area to a thickness of say one foot. Another time comes (ICE AGE) when the weight of the ice compresses the sand and now instead of repelling, each grain is forced to take on an orbit direction that has each grain attracting. A bond over time will form leaving what would appear to be a slab of sandstone but really the nuclei aura are territorial to a nucleus leaving slightly joined blocks.
A time comes when the ice is no longer and an Earthquake breaks up the slab of sandstone into blocks. Oceans come and go and in time the Aura of the four poles that were created from the two same direction orbiting nuclei have these blocks (like the unique piles of sand or rocks that you find in the dry-ed up creek bed) forming the likes of the Pyramid of Giza.
Buried slabs of sandstone are still being found and if the slab is hammered just right you can produce blocks of uniformity.
If you use my science with my name you are welcome
If it is used with out my name then it is Piracy.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
For Brucie
Egypt's ZAHI HAWASS apparently denies that he has visited the newly discovered Pyramids of Bosnia.
It has been reported by reliable source that he in fact made a visit to the twenty thousand year Bosnia Pyramids.
It has been reported that an Egyptian Mummy has been discovered in close proximity of these recently discovered twenty thousand year old Bosnia Pyramids!
Hmmmmmmmmm
Bruce Voigt
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It has been reported by reliable source that he in fact made a visit to the twenty thousand year Bosnia Pyramids.
It has been reported that an Egyptian Mummy has been discovered in close proximity of these recently discovered twenty thousand year old Bosnia Pyramids!
Hmmmmmmmmm
Bruce Voigt
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QUOTE (Bruce Voigt+Dec 27 2006, 02:22 AM)
If you use my science with my name you are welcome
If it is used with out my name then it is Piracy.
Why would anyone want to cite you?
Science?
I suppose as an extreme example of stupidity. But then, out of pity, most people wouldn't use your name. They'd just cite "Some troll on Physorg was dumb enough to say ..."
If it is used with out my name then it is Piracy.
Why would anyone want to cite you?
Science? I suppose as an extreme example of stupidity. But then, out of pity, most people wouldn't use your name. They'd just cite "Some troll on Physorg was dumb enough to say ..."
N O M
In reply to your post.(S)!
It is my(no one else's) Science that has the U S Government spending Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to try and save your sorry little --- from Earth Quake destruction!
Bruce
In reply to your post.(S)!
It is my(no one else's) Science that has the U S Government spending Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to try and save your sorry little --- from Earth Quake destruction!
Bruce
So, Brucie, it the pyramids were grown, where did the sphinx come from?
Is it really alive, but just sleeping?
Is it really alive, but just sleeping?
Palpatane --- It may have been in CROP CIRCLES but somewhere back I explained
"Mount Rushmore"
No but there will be new ones. Closest to new that I have seen are the Pingos off to my left flying to tuck-tuck.
What about Mount Rushmore? are the faces alive?
Palpatane --- The whole of the Universe and beyond is alive!
I thought this was a serious site , what a joke .
QUOTE (Reg Trevithick+Jan 9 2007, 01:33 AM)
I thought this was a serious site , what a joke .
Lighten up and enjoy.
there are plenty of more weighty subjects here.
Lighten up and enjoy.
there are plenty of more weighty subjects here.
QUOTE (Bruce Voigt+Dec 28 2006, 05:53 PM)
It is my(no one else's) Science that has the U S Government spending Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to try and save your sorry little --- from Earth Quake destruction!
Can't find any references to you in any legitimate earthquake research.
Can't find any references to you in any legitimate earthquake research.
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A grain of sand will have a nucleus with two same direction orbits of its nuclei creating its own aura that is repelling another grain of sand leaving a space between each grain.
A time comes when sand is covered over with water and congregates in an area to a thickness of say one foot. Another time comes (ICE AGE) when the weight of the ice compresses the sand and now instead of repelling, each grain is forced to take on an orbit direction that has each grain attracting. A bond over time will form leaving what would appear to be a slab of sandstone but really the nuclei aura are territorial to a nucleus leaving slightly joined blocks.
A time comes when the ice is no longer and an Earthquake breaks up the slab of sandstone into blocks. Oceans come and go and in time the Aura of the four poles that were created from the two same direction orbiting nuclei have these blocks (like the unique piles of sand or rocks that you find in the dry-ed up creek bed) forming the likes of the Pyramid of Giza.
Buried slabs of sandstone are still being found and if the slab is hammered just right you can produce blocks of uniformity.
A time comes when sand is covered over with water and congregates in an area to a thickness of say one foot. Another time comes (ICE AGE) when the weight of the ice compresses the sand and now instead of repelling, each grain is forced to take on an orbit direction that has each grain attracting. A bond over time will form leaving what would appear to be a slab of sandstone but really the nuclei aura are territorial to a nucleus leaving slightly joined blocks.
A time comes when the ice is no longer and an Earthquake breaks up the slab of sandstone into blocks. Oceans come and go and in time the Aura of the four poles that were created from the two same direction orbiting nuclei have these blocks (like the unique piles of sand or rocks that you find in the dry-ed up creek bed) forming the likes of the Pyramid of Giza.
Buried slabs of sandstone are still being found and if the slab is hammered just right you can produce blocks of uniformity.
Well, Well, Its about time!
I caught a bit on the radio last night regarding evidence that the Pyramids of Giza were not built by Egyptians.
Nothing said about the possibility of them growing, but its a start.
Bruce
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Can't find any references to you in any legitimate earthquake research
San Andreas Falt Observatory At Depth SAFOD Earth Scope
Bruce
Don't see your name on the SAFOD site.
adoucette --- You might try Pacific Geoscience Centre (North Saanich British Columbia) and check out Times Colonist Wednesday August 10 2005 Boring into seismic secrets localnews@tc.canwest.com
Also TV series Discovery has done programs on the Drilling thats been done into the San Andreas Fault. The above explains the US involvement with Pacific Geoscience Centre and why the US in their alloted 300 million dollars are drilling three free holes on Vancouver Island B.C. Canada.
It is my discovery that it is the tone of sound interacting with Earth forces that create the vibration known as Earth Quake. The tone of sound regulates the severity of vibration and by installing and monitoring a listening devise, early warning of a quake, severe or otherwise would be possible.
August 2000 I started disclosure proceedings with the B.C. Government that included Pacific Geoscience Centre on Vancouver Island. I do not wish to disclose names and departments on this forum.
Good STUPH
Bruce Voigt
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ForeverApprentice
The point of melting it is you can make these crystals. Oh yeah, and the melting point of pure bismuth is around 500 degrees Fahrenheit, 280 Celsius, but you could still melt it yourself without a metal melter. I read as the metal cools, the crystals form between the cooled crust and the still molten metal. And basically, you pour off the remaining molten material, and there you have your bismuth crystals. Cool eh?
The point of melting it is you can make these crystals. Oh yeah, and the melting point of pure bismuth is around 500 degrees Fahrenheit, 280 Celsius, but you could still melt it yourself without a metal melter. I read as the metal cools, the crystals form between the cooled crust and the still molten metal. And basically, you pour off the remaining molten material, and there you have your bismuth crystals. Cool eh?
You see ForeverApprentice this is what I've been talking about. With the two nuclei orbits of compressed sand the results are building blocks of the Giza Pyramid. Some minerals the likes of bismuth and some of the other odd rock formations you find are in transition from two to three nucleus nuclei orbits. In that transition you can have a new forming orbit running amok to leave deformed crystal shapes.
If you pay attention you will notice deformity in all, three orbit (six poled) phenomenon, snow flakes, honeycomb, crystal etc.
Bruce Voigt
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QUOTE (Bruce Voigt+Jan 11 2007, 08:53 PM)
You might try Pacific Geoscience Centre (North Saanich British Columbia) and check out Times Colonist Wednesday August 10 2005 Boring into seismic secrets localnews@tc.canwest.com
Also TV series Discovery has done programs on the Drilling thats been done into the San Andreas Fault. The above explains the US involvement with Pacific Geoscience Centre and why the US in their alloted 300 million dollars are drilling three free holes on Vancouver Island B.C. Canada.
Nothing there you can claim Bruce.
Searching for you in relation to earth Quakes doesn't help either.
Also TV series Discovery has done programs on the Drilling thats been done into the San Andreas Fault. The above explains the US involvement with Pacific Geoscience Centre and why the US in their alloted 300 million dollars are drilling three free holes on Vancouver Island B.C. Canada.
Nothing there you can claim Bruce.
Searching for you in relation to earth Quakes doesn't help either.
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Why would anyone want to cite you? Science?
I suppose as an extreme example of stupidity. But then, out of pity, most people wouldn't use your name. They'd just cite "Some troll on Physorg was dumb enough to say ..."
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If you use my science with my name you are welcome
If it is used with out my name then it is Piracy.
Why would anyone want to cite you? Science?
I suppose as an extreme example of stupidity. But then, out of pity, most people wouldn't use your name. They'd just cite "Some troll on Physorg was dumb enough to say ..."
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N O M --- Your Intension's are not Honorable
For any one else you may want to check on patent file #s
Canada 2,091972 US 08/209,315
August 2000 I started disclosure proceedings with the B.C. Government that included Pacific Geoscience Centre on Vancouver Island. I do not wish to disclose names and departments on this forum.
Good STUPH
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In discovering that every cell of life has a nucleus with its directional orbiting nuclei it was amazing to realize that each cell is surrounded by its aura. As forces of equal evolution act upon forces of equal evolution, water, for example, will appear as a together mass when really each cell is separated by its aura.
When shock is introduced to water a chaotic nuclei direction takes place. The molecules of H2OET are released from each cell, and this sets up a chain reaction. A wave is created by the expansion of the cells’ aura and will dissipate as the chaotic cells’ nuclei return to normal orbit direction. This is done mainly when close contact with the earth and damaged water cells are made. Basically, this scenario takes place with all life. High body temperature, exertion etc. cause shock to the forces H2OET that makes up the blood cells; because of their size they easily make their way through the larger body molecules to the skin’s surface where the temperature (cold) rearranges them making water (sweat). The same holds true of plant and forest (evaporation) (dew).
There are many reasons for injury or cell damage. Nature’s main cause of cell chaos is inner earth sound. Sound is the creator of weather.
Bruce Voigt
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When shock is introduced to water a chaotic nuclei direction takes place. The molecules of H2OET are released from each cell, and this sets up a chain reaction. A wave is created by the expansion of the cells’ aura and will dissipate as the chaotic cells’ nuclei return to normal orbit direction. This is done mainly when close contact with the earth and damaged water cells are made. Basically, this scenario takes place with all life. High body temperature, exertion etc. cause shock to the forces H2OET that makes up the blood cells; because of their size they easily make their way through the larger body molecules to the skin’s surface where the temperature (cold) rearranges them making water (sweat). The same holds true of plant and forest (evaporation) (dew).
There are many reasons for injury or cell damage. Nature’s main cause of cell chaos is inner earth sound. Sound is the creator of weather.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
To comprehend the natural forming of the Pyramids of Giza it would help to first understand other phenomenon.
Bruce
While possible (so you say), it is not probable. Were it a regular occourance we would see many more examples of such natural buildings.
I also doubt that the internal structure (with the exacting detail, human touches, etc) could be replicated naturally.
Why would the egyptians Write about the building of these structures, if they were already there when they got there.
Why is it that the Sphynx is dated thousands of years older than the pyramids... If there were water throughout that area as you say... how was the structure of the Sphynx created? Divers? Why would the create it underwater?
How much of Egypt would need to be covered by water to get the water level to raise to above the top of the Pyramids at Giza?
What about the "cap stones" of white limestone (i think) that were used as an outer shell of the structure? were those created naturally as well?
Why would egyptians have had created an entire branch of mathematics to aid them in the construction of these buildings had they been there already?
Just a few superfical questions that popped into my head while reading this.
J-n
I also doubt that the internal structure (with the exacting detail, human touches, etc) could be replicated naturally.
Why would the egyptians Write about the building of these structures, if they were already there when they got there.
Why is it that the Sphynx is dated thousands of years older than the pyramids... If there were water throughout that area as you say... how was the structure of the Sphynx created? Divers? Why would the create it underwater?
How much of Egypt would need to be covered by water to get the water level to raise to above the top of the Pyramids at Giza?
What about the "cap stones" of white limestone (i think) that were used as an outer shell of the structure? were those created naturally as well?
Why would egyptians have had created an entire branch of mathematics to aid them in the construction of these buildings had they been there already?
Just a few superfical questions that popped into my head while reading this.
J-n
J-n --- There may be a little misunderstanding here but I will do what I can.
While possible (so you say), it is not probable. Were it a regular occurrence we would see many more examples of such natural buildings.
*((Caves of the Navajo Indian, Pyramids all over the world including the new ones found in Bosnia, wood peckers n squirrels.))
I also doubt that the internal structure (with the exacting detail, human touches, etc) could be replicated naturally.
*((Australian cave dwellers did it.))
Why would the Egyptians Write about the building of these structures, if they were already there when they got there.
*((They still are, its all about laying claim to building materials.))
Why is it that the Sphynx is dated thousands of years older than the pyramids... If there were water throughout that area as you say... how was the structure of the Sphynx created? Divers? Why would the create it underwater?
*((It has taken approximately sixty five million years of Earth changes to construct these. Go back a few posts it is explained there and somewhere I did mention Mount Rushmore.))
How much of Egypt would need to be covered by water to get the water level to raise to above the top of the Pyramids at Giza?
*((Changing Moon exposure over time moves Oceans, how deep is an Ocean?))
What about the "cap stones" of white limestone (i think) that were used as an outer shell of the structure? were those created naturally as well?
*((At ease disease there's fungus amungus, sorry that just slipped out.))
Why would Egyptians have had created an entire branch of mathematics to aid them in the construction of these buildings had they been there already?
*((Mathematics has been designed to hide information from the populace. If the information going into Mathematics is wrong, then what have you got?))
Just a few superfical questions that popped into my head while reading this.
*((And very good ones.))
J-n
Respectively
Bruce
While possible (so you say), it is not probable. Were it a regular occurrence we would see many more examples of such natural buildings.
*((Caves of the Navajo Indian, Pyramids all over the world including the new ones found in Bosnia, wood peckers n squirrels.))
I also doubt that the internal structure (with the exacting detail, human touches, etc) could be replicated naturally.
*((Australian cave dwellers did it.))
Why would the Egyptians Write about the building of these structures, if they were already there when they got there.
*((They still are, its all about laying claim to building materials.))
Why is it that the Sphynx is dated thousands of years older than the pyramids... If there were water throughout that area as you say... how was the structure of the Sphynx created? Divers? Why would the create it underwater?
*((It has taken approximately sixty five million years of Earth changes to construct these. Go back a few posts it is explained there and somewhere I did mention Mount Rushmore.))
How much of Egypt would need to be covered by water to get the water level to raise to above the top of the Pyramids at Giza?
*((Changing Moon exposure over time moves Oceans, how deep is an Ocean?))
What about the "cap stones" of white limestone (i think) that were used as an outer shell of the structure? were those created naturally as well?
*((At ease disease there's fungus amungus, sorry that just slipped out.))
Why would Egyptians have had created an entire branch of mathematics to aid them in the construction of these buildings had they been there already?
*((Mathematics has been designed to hide information from the populace. If the information going into Mathematics is wrong, then what have you got?))
Just a few superfical questions that popped into my head while reading this.
*((And very good ones.))
J-n
Respectively
Bruce
Bruce, please explain the fact that historians and Egyptologists have documented a clear progression of Egyptian burial mounds from mastabas, to the step pyramid to the great pyramids of Giza.
Palpatane --- Lets just say that we locate an area of flat sand stone we dig under this, bracing it with blocks. The blocks come from the unused slab by expertly hammering it.
The Indian had their dead hammocked above ground.
We have come along way! Now we stand them up to save room!
Bruce
The Indian had their dead hammocked above ground.
We have come along way! Now we stand them up to save room!
Bruce
About five thousand years ago Egyptian hieroglyphics were developed. It wasn’t until the 4th dynasty of pharaohs that pyramids were supposedly used as royal tombs.
It is obvious to me that the smaller, easier to get at pyramids were being dismantled (quarried) for town building materials. I suspect royal tombs to have been a way to lay claim to this valuable building material.
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It has been reported that an Egyptian Mummy has been discovered in close proximity of these recently discovered twenty thousand year old Bosnia Pyramids!
Hmmmmmmmmm
Bruce Voigt
Hmmmmmmmmm
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About five thousand years ago Egyptian hieroglyphics were developed. It wasn’t until the 4th dynasty of pharaohs that pyramids were supposedly used as royal tombs.
Bruce
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Could I ask you to add http://www.autarchex.com/projects/bismuthcrystals/index.html
to Pyramids (physorg)Thank you
Bruce
You ever heard of bismuth? part tin part bismuth Melting point is 281-338°F, 138-170°C can be melted on a stove in a pot. it’s a non toxic metal when they don’t use lead as an additive. So make sure you don’t accidentally buy bismuth ingots with lead in it. The point of melting it is you can make these crystals. Oh yeah, and the melting point of pure bismuth is around 500 degrees Fahrenheit, 280 Celsius, but you could still melt it yourself without a metal melter. I read as the metal cools, the crystals form between the cooled crust and the still molten metal. And basically, you pour off the remaining molten material, and there you have your bismuth crystals. Cool eh?
Image source: http://www.bismuthcrystal.com/
One thing I thought of while reading about this is, why don’t they keep the pot of metal to where its barely molten and hang a wire in it as if you were growing sugar crystals in a jar with a string. Don’t you think that would yield more spectacular crystals? I do, and you don’t have to let the whole pot cool off to be able to pluck the crystals off the inside, you can just keep making them. Eventually I’m going to try this. I would look at this website for more info if your interested. http://www.autarchex.com/projects/bismuthcrystals/index.html
Bismuth is also diamagnetic, read here: http://www.fieldlines.com/other/diamag1.html
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Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 18 2006, 05:07 PM
But first - a demonstration that Forces of Equal Evolution act upon Forces of Equal Evolution.
Find some tree pitch. Try wiping it off the skin with toilet paper. Now Flick at this sticky mess with thumb and for-finger (ten or so times). This causes a chaotic reaction between molecules (forces, chips) of the skin and tree pitch, now instead of attracting they are repelling making it real easy to wipe clean.
As was mentioned in Crop Circles -- Our Planet spews a very violent force, fortunately for us is that in exiting it has not matured to interact with matter and the majority is deposited (centrifugal force) out into space.
TORNADO
Centrifugal force in its evolution becomes a size to interact with the force gravity at the elevation of visible water. If it is clear with no cloud, temperature did not allow centrifugal force with all its nasty forces to mutate and most of these are on their way to other worlds.
Interactions of forces within a cloud produce chaotic air cells that cause the nuclei of the cells to repel each other (chips) producing, from their poles, the temperature cold. These many molecules (chips) are contained within the cell membrane producing an expanded, large air cell. An atomic reaction ignites the oxygen of these expanded cells (lightning) and the air cell then has nuclei or chips attracting. It's the collapse of these air cells that produces the sound thunder. The cold produced changes the air cell to a water cell that can crystallize as hail.
While the air cell is expanded its nuclei are of a size that does not interact with the sun's radiation and little light is produced leaving a dark cloud (black).
The vortex of energy released from the Earth has now mutated to a size as to interact with gravity and air, returning to Earth as a destructive tornado.
Bruce Voigt
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Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 20 2006, 04:49 AM
Yes after all that what does one have to say.
Let me start off by saying that a weather map will always show a high and low pressure area. Usually on a map you can pair them up. So in your mind or on a map join the two as in looking at the ends of a horse shoe. Joined as one you will have the small low pressure area turning counter clock wise and the large high pressure area turning clock wise. Now in your minds eye join the two, well they don't fit but take note that the force from both ends are no longer clock or counter clockwise but now are in the same direction. In your minds eye cancel last instruction.
Now think of this joined force with one end in the southern hemisphere turning clockwise and the other end closer to home turning counter clockwise. Now think of this rod of energy leaving the pack with the northern end dragging the southern end. The northern vortex is closer tightly holding its spiral where the southern end has had time in its journey north to slow down and spreading out producing the larger
high pressure area. Now as this southern end starts to be dragged north it (well think of stretching a pies of chewing gum. You see you've now got that north bound future high pressure area wound up so tight as to be your tornado.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 20 2006, 02:37 PM
Think of a CYCLOPS --- just a bit higher up the for head -- that is your minds eye.
Twiddle your thumbs (you can try this one at home) stop just one thumb and reverse it.
That will stop you in your tracks. Using your minds eye practice this just a little each day.
One day you find yourself subconsciously twiddling your thumbs and switch to your minds eye and the thumb all by itself switches direction. Now thats one feeling or experience you'll never forget. (were are we going with this?)
OK your Dad has a stroke and now can't walk.
Dad I am going to teach you to walk again but first we are going to "twiddle our thumbs"!
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 21 2006, 12:04 AM
The above (CYCLOPS) May seem to be off topic. The above illustrates the power of things we can't see. (Powerful STUPH)
Earths tone of sound interacts with whats called magnetism, creating forces that interact with matter and anti-matter, creating Tornado's, Earthquakes, Waves and Wind. Both air and water are gentle, it is this force that uses these as a battering ram.
If you take ten magnets the same forming one large magnet, the large magnet will be the same strength as each single magnet.
I have discovered that "all" cells, nuclei, air, water, our planet Earth etc produce the temperature cold from their poles. You will not detect this with one or ten magnets but with a con zillion you would.
It takes a very small reaction with water and air to produce a chaotic movement having the orbiting nuclei of these cells repelling away from each other becoming individual cells with their own poles; you might call this expansion.
Blow on your hand, the air will be cool because of the many poles producing the temperature Cold.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Posted by: kaneda Dec 21 2006, 04:45 PM
All down to differences in temperature between sea and land, and poor old Dubya Bush hasn't worked out why Florida and New Orleans has had such bad tornados yet. America has 5% of the people and 25% of the pollution.
Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 28 2006, 06:38 PM
If you use my Science with my name, you are welcome.
With out my name it is called PIRACY!
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Could I ask you to add http://www.autarchex.com/projects/bismuthcrystals/index.html
to Pyramids (physorg)Thank you
Bruce
You ever heard of bismuth? part tin part bismuth Melting point is 281-338°F, 138-170°C can be melted on a stove in a pot. it’s a non toxic metal when they don’t use lead as an additive. So make sure you don’t accidentally buy bismuth ingots with lead in it. The point of melting it is you can make these crystals. Oh yeah, and the melting point of pure bismuth is around 500 degrees Fahrenheit, 280 Celsius, but you could still melt it yourself without a metal melter. I read as the metal cools, the crystals form between the cooled crust and the still molten metal. And basically, you pour off the remaining molten material, and there you have your bismuth crystals. Cool eh?
Image source: http://www.bismuthcrystal.com/
One thing I thought of while reading about this is, why don’t they keep the pot of metal to where its barely molten and hang a wire in it as if you were growing sugar crystals in a jar with a string. Don’t you think that would yield more spectacular crystals? I do, and you don’t have to let the whole pot cool off to be able to pluck the crystals off the inside, you can just keep making them. Eventually I’m going to try this. I would look at this website for more info if your interested. http://www.autarchex.com/projects/bismuthcrystals/index.html
Bismuth is also diamagnetic, read here: http://www.fieldlines.com/other/diamag1.html
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Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 18 2006, 05:07 PM
But first - a demonstration that Forces of Equal Evolution act upon Forces of Equal Evolution.
Find some tree pitch. Try wiping it off the skin with toilet paper. Now Flick at this sticky mess with thumb and for-finger (ten or so times). This causes a chaotic reaction between molecules (forces, chips) of the skin and tree pitch, now instead of attracting they are repelling making it real easy to wipe clean.
As was mentioned in Crop Circles -- Our Planet spews a very violent force, fortunately for us is that in exiting it has not matured to interact with matter and the majority is deposited (centrifugal force) out into space.
TORNADO
Centrifugal force in its evolution becomes a size to interact with the force gravity at the elevation of visible water. If it is clear with no cloud, temperature did not allow centrifugal force with all its nasty forces to mutate and most of these are on their way to other worlds.
Interactions of forces within a cloud produce chaotic air cells that cause the nuclei of the cells to repel each other (chips) producing, from their poles, the temperature cold. These many molecules (chips) are contained within the cell membrane producing an expanded, large air cell. An atomic reaction ignites the oxygen of these expanded cells (lightning) and the air cell then has nuclei or chips attracting. It's the collapse of these air cells that produces the sound thunder. The cold produced changes the air cell to a water cell that can crystallize as hail.
While the air cell is expanded its nuclei are of a size that does not interact with the sun's radiation and little light is produced leaving a dark cloud (black).
The vortex of energy released from the Earth has now mutated to a size as to interact with gravity and air, returning to Earth as a destructive tornado.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 20 2006, 04:49 AM
Yes after all that what does one have to say.
Let me start off by saying that a weather map will always show a high and low pressure area. Usually on a map you can pair them up. So in your mind or on a map join the two as in looking at the ends of a horse shoe. Joined as one you will have the small low pressure area turning counter clock wise and the large high pressure area turning clock wise. Now in your minds eye join the two, well they don't fit but take note that the force from both ends are no longer clock or counter clockwise but now are in the same direction. In your minds eye cancel last instruction.
Now think of this joined force with one end in the southern hemisphere turning clockwise and the other end closer to home turning counter clockwise. Now think of this rod of energy leaving the pack with the northern end dragging the southern end. The northern vortex is closer tightly holding its spiral where the southern end has had time in its journey north to slow down and spreading out producing the larger
high pressure area. Now as this southern end starts to be dragged north it (well think of stretching a pies of chewing gum. You see you've now got that north bound future high pressure area wound up so tight as to be your tornado.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 20 2006, 02:37 PM
Think of a CYCLOPS --- just a bit higher up the for head -- that is your minds eye.
Twiddle your thumbs (you can try this one at home) stop just one thumb and reverse it.
That will stop you in your tracks. Using your minds eye practice this just a little each day.
One day you find yourself subconsciously twiddling your thumbs and switch to your minds eye and the thumb all by itself switches direction. Now thats one feeling or experience you'll never forget. (were are we going with this?)
OK your Dad has a stroke and now can't walk.
Dad I am going to teach you to walk again but first we are going to "twiddle our thumbs"!
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 21 2006, 12:04 AM
The above (CYCLOPS) May seem to be off topic. The above illustrates the power of things we can't see. (Powerful STUPH)
Earths tone of sound interacts with whats called magnetism, creating forces that interact with matter and anti-matter, creating Tornado's, Earthquakes, Waves and Wind. Both air and water are gentle, it is this force that uses these as a battering ram.
If you take ten magnets the same forming one large magnet, the large magnet will be the same strength as each single magnet.
I have discovered that "all" cells, nuclei, air, water, our planet Earth etc produce the temperature cold from their poles. You will not detect this with one or ten magnets but with a con zillion you would.
It takes a very small reaction with water and air to produce a chaotic movement having the orbiting nuclei of these cells repelling away from each other becoming individual cells with their own poles; you might call this expansion.
Blow on your hand, the air will be cool because of the many poles producing the temperature Cold.
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Posted by: kaneda Dec 21 2006, 04:45 PM
All down to differences in temperature between sea and land, and poor old Dubya Bush hasn't worked out why Florida and New Orleans has had such bad tornados yet. America has 5% of the people and 25% of the pollution.
Posted by: Bruce Voigt Dec 28 2006, 06:38 PM
If you use my Science with my name, you are welcome.
With out my name it is called PIRACY!
Bruce Voigt
brucevoigtdiscoverer@shaw.ca
Not sure about the images here, but I see others have posted links. So so will I. This is a link to where I, Marchimedes, am known as teacher, of the colossal brain, aka, The Warden, where I rule with an iron hand softened by compassion for morons. At this link you will be honored to view much of my theory on building pyramids in simple, (as you need that), drawing form, with some light reading and much needed abuse.
Not sure what I've missed here, seems like some guy Bruce Voight got lost and started posting here, which I'm glad of because I will now take all his ideas and use as my own wjile claiming he stole them from me. Good luck with that Brucie. I will win.
This link should settle all your fears and questions about how the pyramids may have been built. it's correct and unrebuked. Read lest you travell life as stupid as you are right now, and lemme tell you, you need help.
You are so lucky I've decided to not ignore you further...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/science-tech...ld-pyramid.html
Not sure what I've missed here, seems like some guy Bruce Voight got lost and started posting here, which I'm glad of because I will now take all his ideas and use as my own wjile claiming he stole them from me. Good luck with that Brucie. I will win.
This link should settle all your fears and questions about how the pyramids may have been built. it's correct and unrebuked. Read lest you travell life as stupid as you are right now, and lemme tell you, you need help.
You are so lucky I've decided to not ignore you further...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/science-tech...ld-pyramid.html
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