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Meem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow

Is this what we do to people?
MjolnirPants
No. Harlow used to do those things to monkeys. Yeesh, read a link once in a while...

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Harlow's research, though controversial, has provided insight into the behaviors of abused children and has improved methods of providing care to institutionalized children.
John Galt
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 11 2009, 04:50 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow

Is this what we do to people?

Perhaps you meant "Is this what we do as people?"
Meem
No, I meant is this what we do to people. Do we force them to some cold-wired nothing that we think is just as good as the warm fuzzies then ... wonder why they become violent when they are conditioned for it. We don't want people to believe in what they think, we want people to believe in what we think.

Group think, for a group of monkeys. That's what I mean. Is it totally impossible that there was ever any source of outside influence to have ever happened in man's history? Because in man's mind ... men are so great that they can explain everything. There is no way there could possibly be something like God without "proof" and there is no way there could possibly be anything like aliens without proof. And people who think, oh there's no aliens turn to think ... well, it's just government experiments .... still a conspiracy ... just like everything else.

If I can't explain it, some other man can ... and if he can't we will just have to keep looking for the man that can, and if no man can ... we will just make something up and go with the flow because nobody can explain it!


Where's the math genius, I'd like to know that could tell me how big a reed boat that would carry an 880 ton vs 8ton stone ... 110 times bigger? So, they made like ... a reed boat almost a mile in length? seriously?
flyingbuttressman
Meem,

Every post you make now is some kind of whiny complaint. You know, most scientific people believe that aliens probably exist, but no logical person would assume that they have been visiting Earth, in secret, for thousands of years. If I was an alien, I wouldn't plop down on Earth and look for the nearest civilization and say, "Gee! Let's build a huge f**king stone monument!"
That is what you are saying. That's not being open-minded, that's being stupid.
occidental
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 12 2009, 05:13 PM)



Where's the math genius, I'd like to know that could tell me how big a reed boat that would carry an 880 ton vs 8ton stone ... 110 times bigger? So, they made like ... a reed boat almost a mile in length? seriously?

Seriously thats dishonest. Now these stones have grown to 880 tons?
Meem
Why don't you just go log on another screen name, and pretend to be someone else and say what you really want to say Occidental, I grow tired of your trite games.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 12 2009, 12:49 PM)
Why don't you just go log on another screen name, and pretend to be someone else and say what you really want to say Occidental, I grow tired of your trite games.

wait, are you saying that you think that occidental and I are the same person?

wow, you are stupid.
occidental
Funny.
AlexG
You guys are feeding the troll again.

As long as it gets fed, it sticks around.
AlexG
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Where's the math genius, I'd like to know that could tell me how big a reed boat that would carry an 880 ton vs 8ton stone ... 110 times bigger? So, they made like ... a reed boat almost a mile in length? seriously?


Idiot.

The displacement of a boat, which is how much weight it can float, scales up by the cube power, not linearly.

(I know, I know, I'm feeding the troll.)
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (AlexG+Jul 12 2009, 02:21 PM)
(I know, I know, I'm feeding the troll.)

Come on... You know his feeding frenzies are funny as all hell... Just picture him typing in your mind's eye...
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John Galt
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 12 2009, 05:13 PM)
Group think, for a group of monkeys.  That's what I mean.  Is it totally impossible that there was ever any source of outside influence to have ever happened in man's history?

Of course it is not totally impossible, however since this is an 'extreme' claim the burden of proof is on you.

Taking your point from a different perspective, if there has been no outside influence then your views have been shaped by the same forces that shaped those whose views you challenge. That would suggest your own views are equally unreliable. The only likely way in which this would notbe the case is if you have been directly influenced by outside, i.e. alien, forces. Do you believe you have been so influenced?

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Because in man's mind ... men are so great that they can explain everything. 
That's interesting. The expectation that we can explain everything is often inversely proportional to the individual's ability to explain anything. In my experience the great thinkers recognise the depths of our ignorance and limits of our ability to remove that ignorance. You seem to be talking here more about Mr. Average, than about Mankind.

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Because in man's mind ... men are so great that they can explain everything. 
That's interesting. The expectation that we can explain everything is often inversely proportional to the individual's ability to explain anything. In my experience the great thinkers recognise the depths of our ignorance and limits of our ability to remove that ignorance. You seem to be talking here more about Mr. Average, than about Mankind.

There is no way there could possibly be something like God without "proof" and there is no way there could possibly be anything like aliens without proof. 
You are erecting a strawman argument. No one whose opinion need be taken seriously is claiming any such thing, so why even raise it.
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