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Raphie Frank
This is not constructive or conducive to a learning environment and there is a very easy short term solution. Leave the rating, dispense with the score...

If the moderators do not take action, the Physorg Forums may well die a slow painful death as Gorgeous suggested...

See...
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=19898

... and that would be a shame.

Best,
Raphie

A few samples of "quality..."

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N O M Posted: Dec 29 2007, 08:28 AM
Negative A dull, unimaginative negative for this dull, unimaginative idiot.

Alpha Posted: Jan 18 2008, 02:03 AM
Negative Feedback Massacre - Part 1

Cecil P Abstract Posted: Jan 17 2008, 09:40 PM
Negative Neg generator test #2

Euler Posted: Jan 17 2008, 07:51 PM
Negative Complete idiot.

N O M Posted: Jan 17 2008, 09:04 AM
Negative Neg generator - test 1
Raphie Frank
Thank you for helping me make my point.

Alpha Posted: Today at 1:32 PM
Negative Complete and utter idiot.

And at least a part of the point? One can not even bring the issues into the light without being further attacked.

Immediate call and response politics in action. This is a MICROCOSM folks. As here, elsewhere.

Best,
Raphie

QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 28 2008, 01:08 PM)
This is not constructive or conducive to a learning environment and there is a very easy short term solution. Leave the rating, dispense with the score...

If the moderators do not take action, the Physorg Forums may well die a slow painful death as Gorgeous suggested...

See...
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=19898

... and that would be a shame.

Best,
Raphie

A few samples of "quality..."

User posted image

User posted image

User posted image

User posted image

N O M Posted: Dec 29 2007, 08:28 AM
Negative  A dull, unimaginative negative for this dull, unimaginative idiot.

Alpha Posted: Jan 18 2008, 02:03 AM
Negative  Feedback Massacre - Part 1

Cecil P Abstract Posted: Jan 17 2008, 09:40 PM
Negative  Neg generator test #2

Euler Posted: Jan 17 2008, 07:51 PM
Negative  Complete idiot.

N O M Posted: Jan 17 2008, 09:04 AM
Negative  Neg generator - test 1
Mr. Robin Parsons
(I) already posted some samples of some of my feedback and this (now Dated) list of the contributors in the Thread "Feedback should be removed".

Thanks to Trippy (I) corrected an error in the reproduction which is corrected in this posting

Although (I) would agree that many of the commentaries are exceedingly spurious and simply there to insult and deride without validation or justification, Ergo are NOT helpful even in the purpose of giving negative feedback never-mind positive feedback's.

My Unique numbers still range at almost even, slightly higher for the negatives commentators that positive ones, (22 to 25) especially noting people that (I) have given Negatives to as they are-get very hostile when you can justify a Negative.

Pan Pax

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Gehn
I'm PROUD of all my negs laugh.gif !

- Gehn biggrin.gif
Euler
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 28 2008, 01:08 PM)
Post Your Feedback Publicly...

Fair enough: you're a complete idiot.
Raphie Frank
At least you stand behind your views Euler :-)

Please do, however, let's keep it civil on the rest of the board.

Best,
Raphie

P.S. I'll give you credit Euler. You are very good at taking a sliver of text out of context to suit your own ends. On the up side, it's a good way to win a debate. On the down side, it constitutes a form of intellectual dishonesty. Journalists, unfortunately, are far too often a bit too good at that as well as many a celebrity might tell you... Best, Raphie
Confused2
There are still a few left to prove that people CAN post good physics without being chronically immature - but for how long?

N O M
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 29 2008, 02:08 AM)
This is not constructive or conducive to a learning environment and there is a very easy short term solution. Leave the rating, dispense with the score...

Garbage. The feedback system works.

Your feedback indicates you are a boring, whining poser. As you are.

What part of the message to you in my gNOMe pictures did you not understand?
Euler
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 28 2008, 06:03 PM)
At least you stand behind your views Euler :-)

Well of course I do. I'm more than happy to let everyone here know that I think you're an idiot. Given this stage, I should elaborate on why I have formed this opinion.

You seem to be yet another person on this forum with little-to-no knowledge of mathematics or physics, who is hell bent on riding wiki articles in a hope to have a conversation about advanced topics. You are willing to admit that your mathematical knowledge lies below that of high school children, while at the same time link to articles about exceptional Lie groups, Chaos, theorems of Liouville and Minkowski... (this is just what I pulled from the first two pages here.)

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bukh
Like Gehn - I am honestly proud of my negs. What matters is from WHOM I get my negatives and from whom I get my positives, respectively - and there are posters from whom I would be unhappy to receive a positive.
occidental
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 28 2008, 01:08 PM)
This is not constructive or conducive to a learning environment and there is a very easy short term solution. Leave the rating, dispense with the score...


Spoken like a true "generation x-er. If the rules dont work in your favor, just change the rules. At least youre consistent.
Sapo
QUOTE (bukh+Jan 28 2008, 04:19 PM)
Like Gehn - I am honestly proud of my negs. What matters is from WHOM I get my negatives and from whom I get my positives, respectively - and there are posters from whom I would be unhappy to receive a positive.

OK! smile.gif How's that? biggrin.gif I must at least tingle a bit? laugh.gif
N O M
QUOTE (bukh+Jan 29 2008, 10:19 AM)
Like Gehn - I am honestly proud of my negs. What matters is from WHOM I get my negatives and from whom I get my positives, respectively - and there are posters from whom I would be unhappy to receive a positive.

Yeah, that too. Thanks for all the, um... support with your positive feedback.
Confused2
Publicly .. no problem ..

This guy [ NOM ] is a little shite.. nothing more and nothing less

-C2
Raphie Frank
@ occidental

There's a really great article in the New Yorker this week regarding the 13 year old in Missouri who killed herself after being harrassed online by an adult masquerading as a 16 year old boy.

Feel free to take a look. I'll post excerpts if you wish.

Friend Game
Behind the online hoax that led to a girl’s suicide.
by Lauren Collins
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01...fa_fact_collins

The issue is NOT a Gen-X issue. It's a human one.

Best,
Raphie

P.S. And if you don't like the specific suggestion regarding feedback score, please do offer a better alternative...
Sapo
Raphie, That is one of the most dreadful things I've read in a while. There are no words, just anguish...

Raphie Frank
QUOTE (Sapo+Jan 29 2008, 02:02 AM)
Raphie, That is one of the most dreadful things I've read in a while. There are no words, just anguish...

I agree Sapo. Feel free to pass it on to people you know who might give a damn.

Best,
Raphie

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QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 29 2008, 01:59 AM)
@ occidental

There's a really great article in the New Yorker this week regarding the 13 year old in Missouri who killed herself after being harrassed online by an adult masquerading as a 16 year old boy.

Feel free to take a look. I'll post excerpts if you wish.

Friend Game
Behind the online hoax that led to a girl’s suicide.
by Lauren Collins
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01...fa_fact_collins

The issue is NOT a Gen-X issue. It's a human one.

Best,
Raphie

P.S. And if you don't like the specific suggestion regarding feedback score, please do offer a better alternative...
Sapo
I hope everyone does, for God's sakes.
N O M
QUOTE (Confused2+Jan 29 2008, 01:11 PM)
This guy [ NOM ] is a little shite.. nothing more and nothing less

Pleased as that you think so, poser.
Raphie Frank
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 28 2008, 08:51 PM)
Well of course I do. I'm more than happy to let everyone here know that I think you're an idiot.

@ Euler

I don't need to convince YOU Euler that I'm not an "idiot." I need to convince people like Elbert K. Sanders, Peace Games Coordinator and Rick Lee, a High School Mathematics Teacher in Bushwick and Marquis Toliver, a violinist/mandolinist/pianist/writer, and Angie Tsangarlis, a second grade teacher, and Elias Saifan, a painter, and Chris Moffett, a Columbia doctoral candidate in the Philosophy of Education:

Here is something Angie said to me just earlier today as we spoke informally about my approach and I diagrammed out for her some of my ideas regarding "Kolo Math: Node & Network Math for the Information Age."

"That's so cool! When you're using math to reinforce other ideas people can understand, that they can connect with in a language arts kind of way, it helps them understand. When you can do that -- integrated education -- it's great."

I am many, many things Euler, and many descriptive qualifiers, some positive, some negative, might well be appropriate when describing me, but "idiot" is a word very, very VERY few would use in reference to me.

But, whatever. As I have said previously, suit yourself. Just keep it civil and don't harrass folks within the online "space" of the main forum threads.

Take care.

Best,
Raphie

P.S. Shall I set up a "Raphie is an idiot thread" here in the comments section upon which you can post 100 times each day after class: "Raphie is an idiot. Raphie is an idiot..."? :-) :-)

P.P.S. I'm joking, Euler. Have a bit of a sense of humour? :-)
occidental
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 29 2008, 01:59 AM)
@ occidental

There's a really great article in the New Yorker this week regarding the 13 year old in Missouri who killed herself after being harrassed online by an adult masquerading as a 16 year old boy.

Feel free to take a look. I'll post excerpts if you wish.

Friend Game
Behind the online hoax that led to a girl’s suicide.
by Lauren Collins
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01...fa_fact_collins

The issue is NOT a Gen-X issue. It's a human one.

Best,
Raphie

P.S. And if you don't like the specific suggestion regarding feedback score, please do offer a better alternative...

Thats disgusting Raphie. How can you possibly connect that article with the feedback scores on this web forum? Do you just enjoy whining, Mr. OverDramatic?


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P.S. And if you don't like the specific suggestion regarding feedback score, please do offer a better alternative...
Why? I dont have a problem with the feedback system.
Mr. Robin Parsons
So, Grumpy posted this one in my feedback....

QUOTE (Grumpy Posted: Jan 25 2008+ 10:15 PM)
Negative World renowned for the ability to stick his head COMPLETELY up his *** 


(I) posted this one in his.....

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This would have been a positive just that in retaliation for this posting(*) GrUmp tried to use this 'idea' in my feedback ~ accusing me of being the one with their head there....dates tell all, so now it is a Negative.


In this posting * Grumpy Finally admits to His true problem in life which (I) now knowing Grumpy's problem point it out to him in this post
telling him:
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 24 2008, 09:07 PM)
See there is your problem you are supposed to be removing your head from there, NOT trying to press/SHOVE it in even deeper.


Which (I) now realize is why Grumpy Signs his name as Grumpy cool.gif << with that little fellow ~ whom all of us think represents 'Cool' (as in my case he does) ~ just that - we have all been mistaken - in Grumpy's case - as the fellow with the Sun Glasses is Grumpy and ~ from all of those years of Forgetting to keep his eyes closed (Then again - Maybe he did - but it {his Head} was in there for so long that) as then the juices ~ and the like ~ would not have SO Blinded Him.

Either that or he thinks those are sunglasses covering his eyes and not simply that he forgot to wipe off his face when he finally exited.

That must have Been quite the event, exiting there.

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It would have been a positive because it is good humor, (I) thought just that seemingly "Chicken Little" (AKA GrUmpi knows the whole rhyme - off by heart (I) suspect) Takes himself too seriously.
Raphie Frank
QUOTE (occidental+Jan 29 2008, 03:10 PM)
Thats disgusting Raphie.  How can you possibly connect that article with the feedback scores on this web forum? Do you just enjoy whining, Mr. OverDramatic?

Why?  I dont have a problem with the feedback system.

The type of callous abuse people give others that led to Megan's death is disgusting occidental. On that I hope we are agreed. Ever read "To Kill a Mockingbird?"

As for your "whining" statement, that is beyond childish, occidental, and well beneath you. I am frankly surprised because I expect more from you. You know pretty darn well by now that I am not doing this just for myself and if you think differently then I have drastically overestimated you. (NOTE: I believe I've made it clear that I use myself as an example? Should I point out negative feedback that OTHER people receive and risk embarrassing them?)

Here is a CRITICAL analysis that goes somewhat AGAINST my view, but I will still post it and make the point that unlike where one lives, one can very easily change "neighborhoods" on the Internet:

A Crack in the Broken-Windows Theory
By Richard Morin
Sunday, January 30, 2005; Page B05

What causes some neighborhoods to thrive, while others decay? It's a question that has fascinated social scientists for decades and led directly to the Broken Windows theory, which holds that ignoring the little problems -- graffiti, litter, shattered glass -- creates a sense of irreversible decline that leads people to abandon the community or to stay away.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2005Jan29.html

CIVILITY, occidental. It's not too much to ask for, but the mask of anonymity allows people to do and say things to others they would not otherwise. Are you REALLY going to challenge me on that?

Whatever. If you want to have Physorg be a forum where teenagers or emotionally retarded adults get their rocks off, then fine. There's no problem here, but then at least let's be honest about that and admit that that's the ethos you think acceptable here (which I don't for a second think you believe, by the way...).

Best,
Raphie
Mr. Robin Parsons
Megan's story is all to sad. Disgusting how some people believe they have the right to so damage another's life.

This is BDW posting in my feedback

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo Posted: Jan 28 2008+ 12:24 PM)
Negative Hey! Managed to find a job and rent an apartment yet, ya worthless waste of flesh?

Guess not, or you'd have better things to do than post your idiocies here

As you can tell, neither creative nor constructive, and certainly something that ~ for me ~ the advice is a bit like telling me to "Give up" after (Minimum) seven Years of Effort at - getting/obtaining - the Governance's required response to me, and even longer for the rest of what (I) have been trying to accomplish.

It is more simply an opportunity for BDW to vent his frustrations upon "the powerless to stop him" - or "them" and to demonstrate his Ignorance (By Lack of time learning) of me.


Euler
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 29 2008, 03:38 AM)
... but "idiot" is a word very, very VERY few would use in reference to me...

Really? Do you not know many people?
Raphie Frank
That's actually funny Euler. :-)

So happens I know many, many people. Here are about 50 of them:

Gothamist Interviews
http://raphie.wordpress.com/2006/06/04/interviews/

Best,
Raphie
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 10:06 AM)
Really? Do you not know many people?

Don't know Raphie Frank all that well, but (I) can tell he is NOT an Idiot, it is more the one using the word so im-properly that seems more the one approaching that definition as they clearly indicate that they have "NO Knowledge" of just what that word Means.

"Idiot" from; Dictionary(dot)com

My feedback has such illustrious comments as:
QUOTE (Grumpy Posted: Jan 17 2008+ 01:25 PM)
Negative Can't never can, won't never will, couldn't never could


QUOTE (Sapo Posted: Jan 16 2008+ 10:39 AM)
Negative Fool


QUOTE (occidental Posted: Dec 2 2007+ 04:27 PM)
Negative gotcha


QUOTE (photojack Posted: Nov 22 2007+ 01:06 AM)
Negative An illogical, idiotic, religious nut case. Can not debate with civility or reason. Truly wacko. The more he is cornered argumentively, the nastier he gets.


QUOTE (Trippy Posted: Nov 15 2007+ 01:17 PM)
Negative Blithering blubbering dunderheaded idiot. Mr Parsons seems to enjoy having a good whine. Mr Parsons doesn't seem to understand the implications of his own words. Mr Parsons seems incapable of a great many things.


Useless annotations of the Dis-respect of these posters.


Pan Pax

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N O M
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 31 2008, 05:34 AM)
Useless annotations of the Dis-respect of these posters.

If it bothers you, try earning some respect.
Euler
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 04:34 PM)
Don't know Raphie Frank all that well, but (I) can tell he is NOT an Idiot...

Ahh, but that doesn't really hold much water with me I'm afraid - the reason being, I also think you an idiot. This isn't meant as some generic insult: I genuinely believe you to be stupid.

This might come across as harsh, but I feel entirely justified in expressing my opinion as such because you are both the type of people who attempt to portray a standing of authority on subjects you have absolutely no comprehension of. This is dishonest, and I don't like dishonest people.

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Gehn
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As you can tell, neither creative nor constructive, and certainly something that ~ for me ~ the advice is a bit like telling me to "Give up" after (Minimum) seven Years of Effort at - getting/obtaining - the Governance's required response to me, and even longer for the rest of what (I) have been trying to accomplish.

I can just see the adress on the Government letter....

The Garbage Bin of 42 Shitehole Terrace
Corner of Shitehole Street, Kingston Ontario
Canada

It must have gotten lost laugh.gif.


QUOTE (->
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As you can tell, neither creative nor constructive, and certainly something that ~ for me ~ the advice is a bit like telling me to "Give up" after (Minimum) seven Years of Effort at - getting/obtaining - the Governance's required response to me, and even longer for the rest of what (I) have been trying to accomplish.

I can just see the adress on the Government letter....

The Garbage Bin of 42 Shitehole Terrace
Corner of Shitehole Street, Kingston Ontario
Canada

It must have gotten lost laugh.gif.



It is more simply an opportunity for BDW to vent his frustrations upon "the powerless to stop him" - or "them" and to demonstrate his Ignorance (By Lack of time learning) of me.


You post no physics here whatsoever. Those who you hate do. We are not ignorant, you are. You're just in deep, deep denial.

- Gehn biggrin.gif
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 03:12 PM)
Ahh, but that doesn't really hold much water with me I'm afraid - the reason being, I also think you an idiot. This isn't meant as some generic insult: I genuinely believe you to be stupid.
About you? Nah your a string theorist and therefore you can not yet recognize the Physics (I) am using because it is attached to reality...something (I) believe you cannot handle.

QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 03:12 PM)
This might come across as harsh, but I feel entirely justified in expressing my opinion as such because you are both the type of people who attempt to portray a standing of authority on subjects you have absolutely no comprehension of. This is dishonest, and I don't like dishonest people.
Then how can you possible live with yourself?? blink.gif


Please {(I) know this is extremely difficult for you - but} VALIDATE what you have typed out herein presented in PURPLE....or simply accept that the BOLD IN BLUE really DOES APPLY TO YOU
Euler
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 09:10 PM)
Nah your a string theorist...

No I'm not.

QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 09:10 PM)
...you can not yet recognize the Physics (I) am using because it is attached to reality...something (I) believe you cannot handle.

In academia, the way in which we measure the level of someone's knowledge and understanding is by letting them sit an exam. Would you like me to give you a few questions accessible to school children, so we can ascertain what level you're actually at (rather than the level you think you're at).

QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 09:10 PM)
Please {(I) know this is extremely difficult for you - but} VALIDATE what you have typed out herein presented in PURPLE....or simply accept that the BOLD IN BLUE really DOES APPLY TO YOU

Elaborate, please. smile.gif
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 05:26 PM)
No I'm not.
Then you are a 'mathematician'

QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 05:26 PM)
In academia, the way in which we measure the level of someone's knowledge and understanding is by letting them sit an exam. Would you like me to give you a few questions accessible to school children, so we can ascertain what level you're actually at (rather than the level you think you're at).
And in real life we do it a slightly different way ~ care to try?


QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 05:26 PM)
Elaborate, please.
Oh! (I) see, you've already FAILED at it.

Pan Pax

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BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 04:39 PM)
And in real life we do it a slightly different way ~ care to try?

That way being by interacting with, working with and asking the advice of people in the context of whatever field of knowledge is being discussed.
Even by that relatively simple standard: You're an idiot, Brave Sir Robin.
Euler
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 09:39 PM)
Then you are a 'mathematician'

Not that it follows from my previous statements, but yes, my research is primarily in mathematics.

QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 09:39 PM)
And in real life we do it a slightly different way ~ care to try?

In what sense do you mean "real life"? To my knowledge, when people refer to physicists, they refer to those people in current employment at academic institutions who are deemed competent enough by certain funding councils to receive a monetary bonus for their work. All such people would be able to answer questions accessible to school children, and I'm concerned that you would not be.

QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 09:39 PM)
Oh! (I) see, you've already FAILED at it.

I hate to sound patronising, but are you unaware of meaning of elaboration?
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 06:14 PM)
Not that it follows from my previous statements, but yes, my research is primarily in mathematics.
O.K.

You do know what Dr. A Einstein Said...Right? 'Theory is that which shows us where to look' take note that he did not say Math...as that is a purity of Logic alone, he Said "Theory" as that requires reasoning skills that math alone does not afford the thinker.

QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 06:14 PM)
In what sense do you mean "real life"? To my knowledge, when people refer to physicists, they refer to those people in current employment at academic institutions who are deemed competent enough by certain funding councils to receive a monetary bonus for their work. All such people would be able to answer questions accessible to school children, and I'm concerned that you would not be.
Usually the questions that they answer are directly related to their work, so why would (I) have ANY difficulty with that, it is/would be ~ after all ~ MY work that they would be asking about...not yours.....

QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 06:14 PM)
I hate to sound patronising, but are you unaware of meaning of elaboration?
No, you said: "portray a standing of authority on subjects you have absolutely no comprehension of." (I) said "PROVE THAT!"

Not surprising that (I) need elaborate that to you, now PROVE that (I) have NO COMPREHENSION of any of the Subjects that (I) have posted on....

P.S. You can NOT! and (I) sincerely doubt that you hate sounding patronizing, (I) would believe you actually like it.....

Pan Pax

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Squeeze
QUOTE (Gehn+Jan 30 2008, 07:14 PM)
I can just see the adress on the Government letter....

The Garbage Bin of 42 Shitehole Terrace
Corner of Shitehole Street, Kingston Ontario
Canada

It must have gotten lost laugh.gif.




You post no physics here whatsoever. Those who you hate do. We are not ignorant, you are. You're just in deep, deep denial.

- Gehn biggrin.gif

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm sure I read somewhere else that you are 14 years of age. You have your whole life ahead of you in which case, make sure you gain a planet on which to express it on my friend. biggrin.gif No one has to earn respect, you can simply respect life and all the individual expressions within it. It won't hurt you to practice nicer qualities. With everything you type you are either showing, in this case, science to being a noble persuit or a persuit that leads to spite and aggression. Being more knowledgeable does not guarentee you will be a better person. These things are judged using different criteria, and inner qualities that are weighed in the balance.
If you feel you have inner agression you wish to express, it would be to your advantage, and to the advantage of science, if you found a better outlet for it.
Picking on people in such an agressive way here only causes blocks, and eventually no one who is into serious discussion will stay here.

Sorry for the "lecture" young one. I hope you consider some of the points.
Mr. Robin Parsons
And now Gehn just posted this one

QUOTE (Gehn Posted: Today at 2:52 PM+)
Negative - 88 now . P.S. Here's a great pic of you.....  User posted image: User posted image
Click on the image. apparently Gehn cannot tell the difference between a man and a woman biggrin.gif laugh.gif

No surprise at his age!

Pan Pax

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Euler huh.gif where did you go?? blink.gif
Squeeze
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 10:52 PM)
And now Gehn just posted this one

QUOTE (Gehn Posted: Today at 2:52 PM+)
Negative - 88 now . P.S. Here's a great pic of you.....  User posted image: User posted image
Click on the image. apparently Gehn cannot tell the difference between a man and a woman biggrin.gif laugh.gif

No surprise at his age!

Pan Pax

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Euler huh.gif where did you go?? blink.gif

Well if life should ever render me homeless I pray that I don't meet a load of Gehns.
Very poor taste.
Raphie Frank
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 30 2008, 07:12 PM)
Ahh, but that doesn't really hold much water with me I'm afraid - the reason being, I also think you an idiot. This isn't meant as some generic insult: I genuinely believe you to be stupid.

This might come across as harsh, but I feel entirely justified in expressing my opinion as such because you are both the type of people who attempt to portray a standing of authority on subjects you have absolutely no comprehension of. This is dishonest, and I don't like dishonest people.

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I don't believe I've ever said (to the best of my recollection -- I could be wrong...) I was an authority on anything, Euler, other than the manipulation of light, which is true. I'm also not too shabby when it comes to issues of usability and accessibility on the Internet, truth be told. In any case...

Could perfect numbers be defined as equal to the sum of all divisors excluding the self and unity, PLUS the self and unity (treated as discrete entities) divided by two?

Yes, they could.

Would 1 then be considered a perfect number?

Indeed, it would be.

Would the mathematics of the Universe "break down" in any manner if one extended the definition thusly?

Indeed not. Nothing would change for any other number than at unity itself.

Is phi related to pi by the identity 2*cos(pi/5)?

Yes it is.

Is pi a number (or ratio) that figures into physics?

You tell me, but let me help you out a little by referring you for starters to the formulas for:

The cosmological constant, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, Einstein's field equation of general relativity, Coulomb's law for the electric force, Magnetic permeability of free space, Kepler's third law constant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi

Could one simply replace all those pi's with whatever would be the proper derivative based upon the above stated identity 2*cos(pi/5) and the formulas would no longer be true?

Hmmm...

Is phi the most irrational of the irrationals?

According to at least Mario Livio, my source for that (The Story of Phi: The World's Most Astonishing Number), yes it is.

Does...

((phi^30+phi^-30)*16114) - (8191*100) + (127+1) = 299,792,458
?

Yes it does.

Is 299,792,458 equal to c*s/m?
Are 8191, 127 and 1 each Mersenne numbers?
Is 16,114 the 18th "node or "note" of the Golden Scale (Fib series 2,5)?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and Yes.

Does it MEAN anything? I don't know.

By and large, I am simply stating relationships, Euler, and suggesting new ways of framing "this or that" (imprecise, I know) and why? Because this is how progress gets made:

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How to Bring Our Schools Out of the 20th Century

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So while you CAN keep calling me "dishonest," or an "idiot," Euler, it reflects far more poorly upon you than me.

In my opinion, of course, only. I'm sure you can get Dallas and Nom and Cecil and a few others to agree with you...

:-)

Best,
Raphie

P.S. I don't much care for dishonest people either, in particular the intellectually dishonest, which, of course, is oft times far more a function of ignorance than ill intent...
Sapo
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 30 2008, 07:34 PM)

Is phi related to pi by the identity 2*cos(pi/5)?

Yes it is.

Is pi a number (or ratio) that figures into physics?

You tell me, but let me help you out a little by referring you for starters to the formulas for:

(sorry, snipped)


Man, if there was ever a fellow who needs LateX, it's you. You just love numbers! rolleyes.gif
QUOTE

Hmmm...

Is phi the most irrational of the irrationals?

According to at least Mario Livio, my source for that (The Story of Phi: The World's Most Astonishing Number), yes it is.

Does...

((phi^30+phi^-30)*16114) - (8191*100) + (127+1) = 299,792,458
?

Yes it does.

Is 299,792,458 equal to c*s/m?
Are 8191, 127 and 1 are Mersenne  numbers?


Come on! Demand a LateX BBcode!

Sapo
IAMoraes
QUOTE
Here is a CRITICAL analysis that goes somewhat AGAINST my view, but I will still post it and make the point that unlike where one lives, one can very easily change "neighborhoods" on the Internet:

A Crack in the Broken-Windows Theory
By Richard Morin
Sunday, January 30, 2005; Page B05

Thank you, R.! I am stunned!
Euler
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 10:29 PM)
O.K...

It seems easiest if I simply present you with a question accessible to school children. I imagine this will prove insightful...

A man applies a force of 20N to a box of mass 2Kg, which is sitting on a smooth incline of angle 30°. Assuming the man starts from rest, how far will the man have pushed the box after 20 seconds?

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•SHEOL•
wacko.gif If the "so-called" physicist(s) here are intelligent then, answer the (5) physics questions below:
  • What's dark energy?
  • What do dark matter consist(s) of?
  • What's the size, weight & density of dark matter particles?
  • What's the velocity of dark matter particles?
  • What's the Isotopes of dark matter particles?
laugh.gif I & the rest of the world shouldn't expect to receive the correct answer(s) until after the day that •SHEOL• (totally) freezes over & thaws-out again. laugh.gif

wacko.gif Obviously, (besides from gangland mentalities, partiality, etc) there's no real physicist(s) here.
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 31 2008, 04:05 AM)
It seems easiest if I simply present you with a question accessible to school children. I imagine this will prove insightful... A man applies a force of 20N to a box of mass 2Kg, which is sitting on a smooth incline of angle 30°. Assuming the man starts from rest, how far will the man have pushed the box after 20 seconds?

Uhmmm your quotation of my O.K. is really Obviously ERRONEOUS (I) have not conceded to letting you pepper the Forums Threads With High School Questions.

And it is a really CHEAP TRICK from a person who wants everyone to believe that they are Educated....

Go on Yahoo Answers and Ask there, in case you can't figure it out....

Pan Pax

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Euler
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 31 2008, 02:02 PM)
Uhmmm...

Are you unable to answer the question? I feel I should reiterate: this is a question accessible to school children. smile.gif
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 31 2008, 10:54 AM)
Are you unable to answer the question?
No - (I) am Un-willing to try.

God's Grace (I) am Capable at learning, but that requires a teacher to be present.

QUOTE (Euler+Jan 31 2008, 10:54 AM)
I feel I should reiterate: this is a question accessible to school children.

So is the answer ~ From anyone who is their teacher of that subject. (Or the net)

(I) am not claiming to be that, nor admitting to it.

(I) suppose ~ if (I) had the time on computers ~ (I) too ~ could go find it ~ but, (I) will do nothing to suplicate to you.

You apparently are not that - a teacher. (You deem yourself the 'testor' {Experimentor} though)

So - You Have Failed again Euler and you have failed to learn about me ~ too.

Euler ~ what is the Answer to the Question? blink.gif

Pan Pax

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Euler
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 31 2008, 03:03 PM)
No...

So your level of knowledge and understanding lies below that of school children (at least with regard to physics)?
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 31 2008, 11:09 AM)
So your level of knowledge and understanding lies below that of school children (at least with regard to physics)?
No (again) but your reading comprehensions skills certainly seem to be.

And your MIS - quotation Style, but this is Off topic ~ so get back on or ~ get off.

Oh Yes, you have also Proved my point about 'Reasoning Skills' in a Mathematician as your 'reasoning' Above indicates a Complete Absence of Ability.

It is by your assertion that ~ because (I) am NOT willing to try to do one High School Math Question ~ you can (ergo) deem 'all of my knowledge as ~ less than that of a School Child.

That demonstrates the reasoning skills of a Logician who thinks that all 'Life experience' is Mathematical, demonstrating how little they actually know about living ~ even less about reason & reasoning.

Pan Pax

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BTW some of your negative feedback is interesting, to say the least and, more telling, your obvious affiliation to the forums' Mob.

Euler
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 31 2008, 03:37 PM)
...(I) am NOT willing to try to do one High School Math Question...

Why? Is it too hard? sad.gif
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Euler+Jan 31 2008, 11:41 AM)
Why? Is it too hard?  sad.gif

Yes, your heart is too hard.
Euler
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 31 2008, 03:46 PM)
Yes.

Perhaps you'd like me to give you an easier question?
Mr. Robin Parsons
Yes your answer to this one

QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 06:29 PM)
No, you said: "portray a standing of authority on subjects you have absolutely no comprehension of." (I) said "PROVE THAT!"

"Euler" you keep asking me to perform but waaaaay back here (I) asked of you a performance...you have yet to.


Go Ahead PROVE it ...(I)'m waiting on your answer now. Have been for a while.

Not suprising.

Dodger.

Pan Pax

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Gehn
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Jan 30 2008, 10:52 PM)
And now Gehn just posted this one

QUOTE (Gehn Posted: Today at 2:52 PM+)
Negative - 88 now . P.S. Here's a great pic of you.....  User posted image: User posted image
Click on the image. apparently Gehn cannot tell the difference between a man and a woman biggrin.gif laugh.gif

No surprise at his age!

P


I meant to insinuate that you are a woman, but never mind rolleyes.gif . I've been shamed by Squeeze, so I'll drop the joke now laugh.gif .

- Gehn biggrin.gif
Raphie Frank
QUOTE (Sapo+Jan 31 2008, 12:43 AM)
Man, if there was ever a fellow who needs LateX, it's you. You just love numbers!  rolleyes.gif

Dear Sapo,

Without being all gooey or "moist..."

QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Feb 1 2008, 11:03 PM)
Moist posters here are civil in disagreements.


... let me simply make the point that if one were to push me on the issue, I'd have to say I love people far more than I love numbers. The numbers are a means, not an end.

SEE:
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Barabasi & Human Dynamics
Toward a "Social String Theory"
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=20252

Best,
Raphie

P.S. With regards to: http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=306864

((phi^30+phi^-30)*16114) - (8191*100) + (127+1) = 100*299,792,458 = 100*c*s/m
(not c*s/m) == Sorry for the typo. Best, RF
meBigGuy
QUOTE
Not surprising that (I) need elaborate that to you, now PROVE that (I) have NO COMPREHENSION of any of the Subjects that (I) have posted on....


(It) proves that every time (it) posts. (it) is pretty much wrong ALL THE TIME, and is never able to substantiate anything (it) claims with valid science. (it) has little or no grasp of orders of magnitude, relativity or any physics or math. (it) has demonstrated this again and again. (it) makes it up as (it) goes along, and does it poorly at that. (it) is an arrogant buffoon.

(it) is totally incapable of responding without using the techniques I will outline below.

(it) takes peoples replies out of context and distorts the meaning on order to produce intentionally demeaning impressions. Pretty much the equivilent of lieing.

(it) resorts to grade-school level quips and 1-upmanship games in order to cast (it)self in a superior light, again, in a completely dishonest way.

(it) is a pathetic creature, desperately trying to maintain an identity in spite of (it)s use of the (I) distortion. (it) is a disgrace to all the things that the (I) concept represents.

And (it) is the most sniveling pathetic whiner this board has ever seen.
Squeeze
QUOTE (meBigGuy+Feb 2 2008, 08:17 AM)

(It) proves that every time (it) posts. (it) is pretty much wrong ALL THE TIME, and is never able to substantiate anything (it) claims with valid science. (it) has little or no grasp of orders of magnitude, relativity or any physics or math. (it) has demonstrated this again and again. (it) makes it up as (it) goes along, and does it poorly at that. (it) is an arrogant buffoon.

(it) is totally incapable of responding without using the techniques I will outline below.

(it) takes peoples replies out of context and distorts the meaning on order to produce intentionally demeaning impressions. Pretty much the equivilent of lieing.

(it) resorts to grade-school level quips and 1-upmanship games in order to cast (it)self in a superior light, again, in a completely dishonest way.

(it) is a pathetic creature, desperately trying to maintain an identity in spite of (it)s use of the (I) distortion. (it) is a disgrace to all the things that the (I) concept represents.

And (it) is the most sniveling pathetic whiner this board has ever seen.

Seems to me you too are distorting (it) a little too much.
meBigGuy
QUOTE
Seems to me you too are distorting (it) a little too much.


Could you be more specific. I'll be happy to cite numerous examples. Of course, given your posting history I'd advise you stay away from the unscientific claims aspect.

I'll freely admit to being dramatic, but not to distortion or exageration in this case.


Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (meBigGuy+Feb 2 2008, 04:17 AM)
(It) proves that every time (it) posts.  (it) is pretty much wrong ALL THE TIME, and is never able to substantiate anything (it) claims with valid science.  (it) has little or no grasp of orders of magnitude, relativity or any physics or math.  (it) has demonstrated this again and again.  (it) makes it up as (it) goes along, and does it poorly at that.  (it) is an arrogant buffoon. (it) is totally incapable of responding without using the techniques I will outline below. (it) takes peoples replies out of context and distorts the meaning on order to produce intentionally demeaning impressions.  Pretty much the equivilent of lieing. (it) resorts to grade-school level quips and 1-upmanship games in order to cast (it)self in a superior light, again, in a completely dishonest way. (it) is a pathetic creature, desperately trying to maintain an identity in spite of (it)s use of the (I) distortion.  (it) is a disgrace to all the things that the (I) concept represents.  And (it) is the most sniveling pathetic whiner this board has ever seen.

This tripe from one who thinks that a rock in space having ONLY inertial Momentum can maintain a force against a Resistance, that and he thinks that Crashing a 1.2 Km Asteroid into the planet will cause MINIMAL Damage..... Here as;

QUOTE (meBigGuy+Jan 20 2008, 03:49 AM)
Even in the very unlikely event that a teathered asteroid where to "crash to earth" the damage would be minimal. Remember, most of the energy of an asteroid collision is due to the approach velocity


Defines an absence of Knowledge concerning ~ SAFETY ~ never-mind physics

Tripe Poster.

Persistant attack puppy who posts little relevant knowledge or substantial-substantiated argument and/or info.

Thanks Squeeze ~ it ~ MeBIGFLY & open ~ is Highly distorted-distorting.

Pan Pax

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Gehn
QUOTE (borgie+Feb 2 2008, 06:51 AM)
ohmy.gif hi.... i'm new to the world of blogs, and i came across your site unexpectedly as physics and technology are topics you rarely see in popular blogs....

quite frankly, about that slow and painful death, i think you guys need to market in the net... quickly and effectively. visit us at www.widecircles.com & maybe, just maybe, you could get some much-needed advice. see you around guys..... and thanks for the post.

People like you spamming is one of the reasons for the "slow and painful death" dry.gif ,

- Gehn
Mr. Robin Parsons
Bad Sarcasm tells us that; MeBIGFLY & open really does believe that it will be only 'minimal' damage, as it's Only 'Superficial'.

It is ~ after all ~ a question of scale and, at scale - the One that hit 65 million years back - in the Yucatan - Is Small as a 'Mass' compared to the Planet's 'Mass' ~ that (earth Mass) will not really suffer much damage when MeBIGFLY & open's Counterweight Hits it.

Oye ~ some People.

Pan Pax

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Cecil P Abstract
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Feb 3 2008, 07:37 PM)
Bad Sarcasm tells us that; MeBIGFLY & open really does believe that it will be only 'minimal' damage, as it's Only 'Superficial'.

It is ~ after all ~ a question of scale and, at scale - the One that hit 65 million years back - in the Yucatan - Is Small as a 'Mass' compared to the Planet's 'Mass' ~ that (earth Mass) will not really suffer much damage when MeBIGFLY & open's Counterweight Hits it.

Oye ~ some People.

Pan Pax

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Go suck on a car battery .... gobshite! dry.gif
Squeeze
QUOTE (meBigGuy+Feb 3 2008, 08:06 AM)

Could you be more specific. I'll be happy to cite numerous examples. Of course, given your posting history I'd advise you stay away from the unscientific claims aspect.


Well if it should lead to my writing a post to someone else as you did to mr Parson's earlier, then perhaps I should leave science well alone? It seems to me that some people enjoy cornering this guy, and he does his share of biting back. There is no stipulation that only scientists must post here. I freely admit I am no scientist.
I'm keen to learn much more than I know, but it won't be at the expense of other aspects of life I have come to know and respect.
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (Squeeze+Feb 3 2008, 04:58 PM)
Well if it should lead to my writing a post to someone else as you did to mr Parson's earlier, then perhaps I should leave science well alone? It seems to me that some people enjoy cornering this guy, and he does his share of biting back. There is no stipulation that only scientists must post here. I freely admit I am no scientist. I'm keen to learn much more than I know, but it won't be at the expense of other aspects of life I have come to know and respect.
Thank you.

They do, the anti-creationists (Anti-God) set-group and the ~ Stricture only ~ mathematical set-group.

Some of the sting theorists too.

Funny ~ they (The Mathematicians) need me for the reasoning ~ and (I) need them for the math......

And ~ (I) do admit that ~ sometimes (by God's Grace) (I) DO BITE BACK.

Although (I) would like it noted that; generally (I) Validate (Post - Link - Cite) what (I) say is presented & represented by that very presentation.

They - all - seldom do....

Pan Pax

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BTW once again Who is this "Brave Sir Robin" Avatar as (I) cannot find that avatar as a member..... blink.gif (I) use my name as it has appeared on Paychecks, loans, rental receipts, SIN # - attached to phone numbers ~ etc ~ etc.

BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Feb 4 2008, 12:34 PM)
Funny ~ they (The Mathematicians) need me for the reasoning ~ and (I) need them for the math......


Bullsh*t.
Not one actual mathematician has ever come to you for help with anything, nor has anything you've ever done ever helped in any way any mathematician, barring the contributions you've made to statistics of mental illness and homelessness.

QUOTE
And ~ (I) do admit that ~ sometimes (by God's Grace) (I) DO BITE BACK.

It's a lot more than "sometimes." And you do so by engaging in the very behaviors you so often accuse others of, and failing to admit to any wrongdoing or irrationality or lack of knowledge.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
And ~ (I) do admit that ~ sometimes (by God's Grace) (I) DO BITE BACK.

It's a lot more than "sometimes." And you do so by engaging in the very behaviors you so often accuse others of, and failing to admit to any wrongdoing or irrationality or lack of knowledge.

Although (I) would like it noted that;  generally (I) Validate (Post - Link - Cite) what (I) say is presented & represented by that very presentation.

Complete BS when it comes to science. When it comes to personal debates, you only ever do so by misinterpreting what others say and quoting them out of context.

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They - all - seldom do....

Just last week I did exactly that when I showed your propensity for lying. In fact, I've done it more than once, and so has Trippy and GeneSplicer and a handful of others.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
They - all - seldom do....

Just last week I did exactly that when I showed your propensity for lying. In fact, I've done it more than once, and so has Trippy and GeneSplicer and a handful of others.

BTW once again Who is this "Brave Sir Robin" Avatar as (I) cannot find that avatar as a member..... blink.gif  (I)

That's because you're an idiot, Brave Sir Robin.

QUOTE
use my name as it has appeared on Paychecks, loans, rental receipts, SIN # - attached to phone numbers ~ etc ~ etc.

That's pretty idiotic, too.
Why not post under your SSN? (or whatever the Canadian equivilent of that is.)
Sapo
Robin,

I'm trying very hard to be nice. You should, too.

It is better for the health of the body.

It is better for the health of the mind.

Is it better for the health of the forum?

Buenas noches, todos!
Gorgeous
People only need 'gods grace' when they have none of their own.


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Funny ~ they (The Mathematicians) need me for the reasoning


Yes, that IS funny!

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The experiment continues... ph34r.gif




g.
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 5 2008, 11:32 PM)
Bullsh*t.Not one actual mathematician has ever come to you for help with anything, nor has anything you've ever done ever helped in any way any mathematician, barring the contributions you've made to statistics of mental illness and homelessness.
You really can be a silly boy ~ can't you....back at me 'baiting and berating' meaning ~ justification-justifying for what (I) have previously said.

Gm/r for interior measurement of any masses gravity and gravitational activity.

First on the planet there, IN MATH! In the twenty First Century....!!

You? blink.gif

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 5 2008, 11:32 PM)
It's a lot more than "sometimes." And you do so by engaging in the very behaviors you so often accuse others of, and failing to admit to any wrongdoing or irrationality or lack of knowledge.
Seems more oft with you due to your persistence at your 'bait and berate' abusive-abuser style.

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 5 2008, 11:32 PM)
Complete BS when it comes to science. When it comes to personal debates, you only ever do so by misinterpreting what others say and quoting them out of context.
No that would be the list of people (Et al) you are about to cite.......doing that

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 5 2008, 11:32 PM)
Just last week I did exactly that when I showed your propensity for lying. In fact, I've done it more than once, and so has Trippy and GeneSplicer and a handful of others.
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QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 5 2008, 11:32 PM)
That's because you're an idiot, Brave Sir Robin.
Who is this Brave Sir Robin Avatar? and is he really as idiotic as you??


QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 5 2008, 11:32 PM)
That's pretty idiotic, too. Why not post under your SSN? (or whatever the Canadian equivilent of that is.)
Uhmm silly little boy that is what a SIN # is.

Please either grow up or go away ~ as you are embarassing. (Yourself)

Thanks Sapo it ain't easy for me either....

Pan Pax

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BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Feb 6 2008, 06:22 AM)
You really can be a silly boy ~ can't you....back at me 'baiting and berating' meaning ~ justification-justifying for what (I) have previously said.

Oh, Hypocrisy, thy name is Brave Sir Robin laugh.gif

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Gm/r for interior measurement of any masses gravity and gravitational activity.
First on the planet there, IN MATH! In the twenty First Century....!!

Ok, well howsabout this: Gravity is cause by little invisible faeries whose mass precisely equals the mass of the particles whose gravity they are regulating.
BAM! First person to ever put forth that description, so by your logic, I'm a groundbreaking physicist.
Of course, all of that breaks down when you consider the extremely useless nature of the claims you make about gravity and the claim I just put forth.
Which is my point.
A point which your repetition of your idiotic claims doesn't disprove.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Gm/r for interior measurement of any masses gravity and gravitational activity.
First on the planet there, IN MATH! In the twenty First Century....!!

Ok, well howsabout this: Gravity is cause by little invisible faeries whose mass precisely equals the mass of the particles whose gravity they are regulating.
BAM! First person to ever put forth that description, so by your logic, I'm a groundbreaking physicist.
Of course, all of that breaks down when you consider the extremely useless nature of the claims you make about gravity and the claim I just put forth.
Which is my point.
A point which your repetition of your idiotic claims doesn't disprove.

Seems more oft with you due to your persistence at your 'bait and berate' abusive-abuser style.

How many times have you modified my screen name to be insulting? How many times have you done the same for GeneSplicer?
Now how many times have either of us done that to you? Not once, ya friggan mo'.
Just keep lying though.

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No that would be the list of people (Et al) you are about to cite.......doing that

Bullsh*t. I explained clearly what I interpreted your posts to mean, and you explained clearly same exact meaning.
So you're lying again.

QUOTE (->
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No that would be the list of people (Et al) you are about to cite.......doing that

Bullsh*t. I explained clearly what I interpreted your posts to mean, and you explained clearly same exact meaning.
So you're lying again.

Who is this Brave Sir Robin Avatar? and is he really as idiotic as you??

You are, ya friggan mo'. And he's FAR FAAAAR more idiotic than I.

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Uhmm silly little boy that is what a SIN # is.

What's the N in SIN stand for? So if I'm so silly, why are you repeating yourself with such a simple concept as that?

QUOTE (->
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Uhmm silly little boy that is what a SIN # is.

What's the N in SIN stand for? So if I'm so silly, why are you repeating yourself with such a simple concept as that?

Please either grow up or go away ~ as you are embarassing. (Yourself)

One look at our respective feedback scores will aptly illustrate which of us has any need to feel embarrassed about things said in this forum.
PS. You misspelled "embarrassing." How embarrassing is that?
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
Oh, Hypocrisy, thy name is Brave Sir Robin
So you mean this Brave Sir Robin Person is using TWO avatar names?? Brave Sir Robin AND Hypocrisy?? blink.gif

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
Ok, well howsabout this: Gravity is cause by little invisible faeries whose mass precisely equals the mass of the particles whose gravity they are regulating. BAM! First person to ever put forth that description, so by your logic, I'm a groundbreaking physicist.
Uhmmm Mine matches well to the physical reading ~ by seismic measurement ~ of the earth's internal Pressurization, your matches well with the internal pressurization of the inside of your head.

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
Of course, all of that breaks down when you consider the extremely useless nature of the claims you make about gravity and the claim I just put forth. Which is my point. A point which your repetition of your idiotic claims doesn't disprove.
You have a point?? blink.gif better zip back up then..... biggrin.gif

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
How many times have you modified my screen name to be insulting? How many times have you done the same for GeneSplicer? Now how many times have either of us done that to you? Not once, ya friggan mo'. Just keep lying though.
How many times you called me that name??

A screen name is one you invented to describe yourself, (I) simply note that you were in-complete in your description of yourself and endeavor to help you so you can do better ~ next time.

Mine is my name on My Social Insurance Number card.

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
Bullsh*t. I explained clearly what I interpreted your posts to mean, and you explained clearly same exact meaning. So you're lying again.
Sees himself again....


QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
You are, ya friggan mo'. And he's FAR FAAAAR more idiotic than I.
Must be quite the fellow then ~ if he can surpass you so well that way, but (I) have yet to see them post.

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
What's the N in SIN stand for? So if I'm so silly, why are you repeating yourself with such a simple concept as that?
Because you couldn't figure out it means Number.....??


QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
One look at our respective feedback scores will aptly illustrate which of us has any need to feel embarrassed about things said in this forum. PS. You misspelled "embarrassing." How embarrassing is that?
Yes (I) have multiple negatives from you fellow Mob Friends 113 negative posts by 25 people with mind-boggling sensations of Witticisms and Excellent Intellectual rebuff and retorts for .....well, your recent one serves as a good example:
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo in my Feedback Posted: Yesterday at 11:21 PM+)
Negative Dumbass!
It must have taken you hours to think that one out! rolleyes.gif

Pan Pax

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P.S. If you want to know your mis-spellings ~ simply use the spell checker.
PJParent001
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jan 28 2008, 06:08 AM)
Get rid of feedback score

Images stored offsite are considered to be web bugs and neg'ing just pisses me off.

N O M
QUOTE (PJParent001+Feb 7 2008, 06:55 AM)
neg'ing just pisses me off.

So you are capable of getting a point laugh.gif
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (N O M+Feb 6 2008, 04:29 PM)
So you are capable of getting a point

For someone who has given me 16 negatives (one positive) you would think maybe you would 'get the point' ~ end of the stick ~ pushing you out.

rolleyes.gif Oh - wait - your forum title, you do have a point! (MRP Swings sWhoooosssh ohmy.gif )

{Humor purposes only}

Pan Pax

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Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 06:12 PM)
You're such an idiot... Seismic measurements have nothing to do with the earth's gravity. Neither does it's internal pressure, you friggan mo'.  And "pressurization" is so unbelievably inapplicable in the sense in which you used it....
So this part of your post clearly indicates that you do not yet know - or understand ~ the gravitational Physics of large bodies of mass.

And this part deals with your Mental Health Issue and the FACT that you are not dealing with your mental health issue.

QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 6 2008, 06:12 PM)
You're such an idiot... ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO  Almost as many times as you've demonstrated it's validity. But keep in mind one thing: I label you due to your posts. Your name alteration has nothing to do with the posts made by those to whom you do it. By that logic, then I can claim I'm simply trying to help you understand your true intellectual level by calling you a friggan mo'. Isn't that benevolent of me? Ya friggan mo'.  So go ahead and PM me the number that's on that card, too. Since you're so open and all, you won't mind. Just another "I know you are but what am I?" argument.... tsk tsk, Brave Sir Robin. The rest of us (well, MOST of the rest of us, you're not alone in your stupidity and immaturity) gave up such arguments a long time ago. That's just so dumb.... Seriously. Like autistic dumb. Sorry to burst your bubble, but nope. It's just the first word that comes to mind when I think of you ROFLMAO idiot.
BTW (I) am NOT here for that, dealing with your mental health issues, nor am (I) here to present you with a target for your apathy.


Pan Pax

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P.S. Autistic People are not Dumb, your assertion to that point indicates simply that you are Rude and Ignorant.
Trippy
It strikes me that talking about SIN#'s is a little like talking about ATM machines.
PJParent001
Seems some people around here have something against complete nut cases. dumbasses, idiots, the mentally ill and the mentally retarded.

PJParent001
QUOTE (N O M+Feb 6 2008, 01:29 PM)
So you are capable of getting a point laugh.gif

How am I supposed to get points when you keep negging me?
Zarkov
What a mentally retarded intoxicated (totally toxic) mafia exists on this forum.

LOL.

When a poster can get negative feedback from idiots who know nothing,
WHAT a bunch of losers

Wow, the internet has sunk too low to fathom.

just read this absolute gem

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weight difference between a 1 kilogram mass on earth and a 1 kilogram mass on jupiter.


a kilogram is a kilogram defined by Earth measure

it will not 'weigh' the same on another planet in absolute terms, but LOL that has nothing to do with the matter

A kilogram is an arbitrarily defined quantity of matter on Earth and has nothing to do with the strength of gravity on other cosmic bodies

funny how even the mass of the Sun is "measured" in Earth kilograms, as is all the other objects in the universe

Does a kilogram of the Sun weigh more than a kilogram of earth-feathers ?

LOL, you guys crack me up

NeoDevin
He wasn't asking about the difference in mass, but the difference in weight.
AlphaNumeric
I have several neg reps from 'on2theists'. He and I have never conversed in a thread and despite a challenge, months ago, for him to air his greivences about any of my posts via either PM or in a public thread, he hasn't. Instead he makes a point to find my posts, even during a period when I wasn't posting (ie my 18 day holiday) and neg rep me.

Smacks of the cowardice Kaneda shows.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (Zarkov+Feb 7 2008, 06:56 PM)
a kilogram is a kilogram defined by Earth measure

Grams are also a measure of mass, dumb@ss. (Hint, note my use of the word.)
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Nice try, though.

QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+)
I have several neg reps from 'on2theists'. He and I have never conversed in a thread and despite a challenge, months ago, for him to air his greivences about any of my posts via either PM or in a public thread, he hasn't. Instead he makes a point to find my posts, even during a period when I wasn't posting (ie my 18 day holiday) and neg rep me.

Smacks of the cowardice Kaneda shows.

Same here. I've never interacted with him in any way, but he's negged me too.
At least with me, I can blame it on the "MoFM" in my signature. With you, he just has NO excuse.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Your (ANY) weight on another planet {exploratorium(dot)edu}

Poor question...

So ~ tell me, why is it that - in astrophysics - the Sun is seen as having crushing gravitational force to it's core ~ as to effect Fusion ~ yet the earth is still thought of as following the 'Shelf Theorem' which concludes that gravity self cancels and is NOT a crushing force at it's center, even though Seismic Evidence tells us that it most assuredly is Crushing at it's core, near enough 4 Mbars?

Pan Pax

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Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Feb 7 2008, 10:46 PM)
I have several neg reps from 'on2theists'. He and I have never conversed in a thread and despite a challenge, months ago, for him to air his greivences about any of my posts via either PM or in a public thread, he hasn't. Instead he makes a point to find my posts, even during a period when I wasn't posting (ie my 18 day holiday) and neg rep me.
That is funny ~ go look at mine (feedback) and count the number from Alpha or N O M at then try to find their interactions - Posts - with me in threads......they are simply NOT there....

Some of the posters here ~ in these forums ~ have seemingly 'hated' me from the outset, which is kinda strange as they didn't know me and deciding to hate that which you neither known nor understand is Highly Un-Scientific and totally BIASED from an Un-warranted un-assignable judgment.

Sign of a personality dis-order?

Pan Pax

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Mr. Robin Parsons
This is Funny HUMPTY GRUMPTY posted this retort in my feedback it quotes my feedback to him
QUOTE (Humpty Grumpty in My Feedback ~ Grumpy Posted: Today at 1:19 AM+)

Negative Mr. Robin Parsons Posted: Yesterday at 3:51 PM
Negative "So, in attempting to get it across to MeBigFLea & backsliding and His partner in Missing the obvious Humpty Grumpty, Humpty Grumpty demonstrated that his Signature is actually his motto. (By Practise)

Inasmuch as while (I) was attempting to get the two to admit that ~ by inertial momentum ~ Alone, their Space rock-Asteroid ~ tethered to the Earth ~ would not maintain a force against a resistance without propulsive systems, Humpty Grumpty Posted this as a response.....

QUOTE (Grumpy @ Jan 24 2008, 07:18 AM)
Chicken Little

Chicken Little
Stood around
Underneath a tree.
Something fell and
Hit her head.
She said, "Goodness me!"

"Oh my goodness!"
She did screech.
"The sky is falling!"
She ran around
Yelling out,
"We must tell the king!"

Goosey Loosey
Was the first
To hear Chicken's tale.
I think they both
Must have been
Drinking too much ale.

Goosey Loosey,
Chicken, too,
Saw Ducky Lucky.
They told him, and
Then he said,
"That is quite sucky."

Cocky Locky
Was their next
Stop along the way.
They told him, and
He freaked out.
He joined them that day.

Foxy Loxy
Walked right up,
Eyeing the small group.
He looked right at
The Chicken
And said, "What's the scoop?"

Chicken Little
Told the fox,
"The sky is falling!
If we want to
Save our skins,
We must tell the king!"

Foxy Loxy
Said he'd help,
But they had to run.
Foxy Loxy
Chased them and
Gobbled up each one.

It amazes
Me how this
Whole thing got started
Because I threw
A rock at
Chicken Little's head.

Eric Sleator McGill
Thereby clearly demonstrating that his Signature line of "Rationality, logic, and civil debate fail when confronted with blunt stupidity" Kaeroll ~ is actually His Motto as he follows the practise of being the one who regularly inserts the BLUNT STUPIDITY.

Humpty Grumpty Had a Great Fall, and MeBIGFLEA (& Backsliding) couldn't Figure out that the Yolk was on him too.

Not worth the effort. "

Except that I did not post that.

But you are the biggest idiot I have ever seen, and mental to boot. May you freeze solid to the ground in a puddle of your own pee!!! 
SO read this link AS it is HIS post under his name, and HE DENIES IT!

What a Laugh... biggrin.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif this one is really the Author of the BLUNT STUPIDITIES that his Sig~ ooops MOTTO tells of him.

And a self decieved persons too, living in Denial! blink.gif
Mr. Robin Parsons
Since (I) cannot post in my own feedback ~ and (I) detest lies ~ could someone please post this link [ url=http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=18767&view=findpost&p=305167]link[/url] as to ensure that anyone reading it can know for themselves ~ the truth of it.

Just copy/paste it and take out the space between the very first bracket and the letters URL the rest will work fine and should look like this >> link <<

Thanks ~ in advance...

Planetary Pax

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Grumpy
parsons

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that post. Oh , well, it still fits. My bad. Old age reduces ones ability to remember such things, especially if it is about trivial and unimportant people. It changes nothing, I still would have given you a negative, because you are such an unpleasant and ignorant person who is absolutely convinced of your own self importance, despite ample evidence to the contrary(IE you are ALWAYS wrong, about EVERYTHING). You have earned, and you well deserve the scorn you receive on this forum(and, it seems, in real life). Hopefully, when you get tired of your faults being publicly aired, you will leave and pollute some other forum, or, and here's a radical idea, stop wasting time on the internet and GET A JOB. Become a productive member of society instead of...well, you know.

Grumpy cool.gif
Squeeze
QUOTE (Grumpy+Feb 13 2008, 04:09 PM)
parsons

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that post. Oh , well, it still fits. My bad. Old age reduces ones ability to remember such things, especially if it is about trivial and unimportant people. It changes nothing, I still would have given you a negative, because you are such an unpleasant and ignorant person who is absolutely convinced of your own self importance, despite ample evidence to the contrary(IE you are ALWAYS wrong, about EVERYTHING). You have earned, and you well deserve the scorn you receive on this forum(and, it seems, in real life). Hopefully, when you get tired of your faults being publicly aired, you will leave and pollute some other forum, or, and here's a radical idea, stop wasting time on the internet and GET A JOB. Become a productive member of society instead of...well, you know.

Grumpy cool.gif

Let's hope and pray that life doesn't eventally give back the same measure you have just dished out there Mr Grumpy. Needless to say, sometimes the faults we say we are observing in others we find hard to observe within ourselves.

I suppose what I have just said will get me another negative here, for my venimous attack on you? Either way, sounds like you need to go to school again too my friend.

Anytime you may need some help or a friend Mr Parsons, let me know.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Thank you Squeeze.

QUOTE (Grumpy+Feb 13 2008, 12:09 PM)
parsons Oh, yeah, I forgot about that post. Oh , well, it still fits. My bad. Old age reduces ones ability to remember such things, especially if it is about trivial and unimportant people. It changes nothing, I still would have given you a negative, because you are such an unpleasant and ignorant person who is absolutely convinced of your own self importance, despite ample evidence to the contrary(IE you are ALWAYS wrong, about EVERYTHING). You have earned, and you well deserve the scorn you receive on this forum(and, it seems, in real life). Hopefully, when you get tired of your faults being publicly aired, you will leave and pollute some other forum, or, and here's a radical idea, stop wasting time on the internet and GET A JOB. Become a productive member of society instead of...well, you know. Grumpy


Grumpty - Humpty, rumor has it that - the work that (I) volunteered to the Supreme Court of Canada ~ Saved ~ the Governance of Canada At least 40 MILLION dollars.

Earned that yet?

It ~ apparently ~ was used in more than one hundred other countries, Including the USA.

You live there - don't you? ph34r.gif

If it saved 40 Million in each of those countries, that would make 4 Billion ~ planetary.

You? blink.gif

Planetary Pax

GeneSplicer
Such a different attitude portrayed here versus the one presented on his blog.

Link

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And again....
Funny, again this morning, 'If your so smart why are you living in a Shelter?' Because (I) am Awaiting the Governance's response ~ to me ~ respective of what it OWES me.
How can (I) get anywhere in life without the Accreditation that (I) have EARNED, asides from all of the accreditation (I) have 'earned' that none of you know about ~ and probably never will....helping others.....
Truly defines ABUSE by a Country.


No mention on his blog about his creating or saving his country millions and the world billions. Exactly how does one produce such an amount from a court case? Was this the court case about a child molester or was that a different Robin Parsons?

This doesn’t even begin to address the nonsensical claim of being homeless because he has not been given some sort of recognition.
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Feb 14 2008, 08:27 PM)
Such a different attitude portrayed here versus the one presented on his blog. No mention on his blog about his creating or saving his country millions and the world billions.  Exactly how does one produce such an amount from a court case?  Was this the court case about a child molester or was that a different Robin Parsons? This doesn’t even begin to address the nonsensical claim of being homeless because he has not been given some sort of recognition.
Apparently you cannot read, no where have (I) used or talked about anyone or anything concerning Child Molestation.

The issue was a pedophile artist (Mr. John Robin Sharpe) and his attempt to get legal protection, contitutional rights, for his pedophilic artwork. God's Grace (I) helped to STOP that.

How does one go about doing that in a court case? (Saving money) ensure that this is the last time that issue will ever come up by using a solution to the issue as opposed to simply a by-passing legal 'patch' (Newly re-worded legislation) as had been historically done by many a country.

Link Have mentioned ~ or alluded to it ~ before, just that (I) am not a braggart about such things so (I) tend not to drag it up over and over again.

Asides from that fiendsplicer never believes anything anyways so ~ why bother.

Grumpty "GET A JOB. Become a productive member of society instead of"

Been there ~ done that, waiting for them to admit to it.

Planetary Pax

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GeneSplicer
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Apparently you cannot read, no where have (I) used or talked about anyone or anything concerning Child Molestation.


In fact, you have said little about his court case at all other than to make claims about how it ruined your life, caused and evidently still causes you to be homeless and now has saved the world billions.

I believe someone searching for a court case in Canada with your forum name came up with a case regarding child abuse.

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Apparently you cannot read, no where have (I) used or talked about anyone or anything concerning Child Molestation.


In fact, you have said little about his court case at all other than to make claims about how it ruined your life, caused and evidently still causes you to be homeless and now has saved the world billions.

I believe someone searching for a court case in Canada with your forum name came up with a case regarding child abuse.

The issue was a pedophile artist (Mr. John Robin Sharpe) and his attempt to get legal protection, contitutional rights, for his pedophilic artwork. God's Grace (I) helped to STOP that.


And this caused you to become homeless how? How does lack of recognition in such a case lead one to give up heart, home and job?

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How does one go about doing that in a court case? (Saving money) ensure that this is the last time that issue will ever come up by using a solution to the issue as opposed to simply a by-passing legal 'patch' (Newly re-worded legislation) as had been historically done by many a country.

LOL. And that saved the estimated $40 million you sited for Canada and billions worldwide?!

The fact that many such photographers still exist and are still sought after in legal cases in the U.S. alone, your claims about worldwide impact seem questionable at best. And I am not talking about typical underground child pornographers, but people posting such images as artwork.

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How does one go about doing that in a court case? (Saving money) ensure that this is the last time that issue will ever come up by using a solution to the issue as opposed to simply a by-passing legal 'patch' (Newly re-worded legislation) as had been historically done by many a country.

LOL. And that saved the estimated $40 million you sited for Canada and billions worldwide?!

The fact that many such photographers still exist and are still sought after in legal cases in the U.S. alone, your claims about worldwide impact seem questionable at best. And I am not talking about typical underground child pornographers, but people posting such images as artwork.

Link Have mentioned ~ or alluded to it ~ before, just that (I) am not a braggart about such things so (I) tend not to drag it up over and over again.


So you link to another forum where you brag about this $40 million. And that means what? All I see is bragging on two forums about what you claimed you have done.

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Asides from that fiendsplicer never believes anything anyways so ~ why bother.


I believe what you can support with facts. I know the you think belief mean to blindly accept claims, but again, your were proven wrong about that as well.

And why bother indeed. If that was you real thought over this matter, you would not reply at all.

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Asides from that fiendsplicer never believes anything anyways so ~ why bother.


I believe what you can support with facts. I know the you think belief mean to blindly accept claims, but again, your were proven wrong about that as well.

And why bother indeed. If that was you real thought over this matter, you would not reply at all.

Been there ~ done that, waiting for them to admit to it.


LOL. So you make a few hollow claims and that is supposed to be taken as fact?!

You seem to be overlooking the painfully obvious rational disconnect regarding your claims. Let us go with the premise that you are correct in your claim and you did not and do not received the recognition of something you did that saved Canada millions and the world billion. What dose that have to do with you voluntarily becoming homeless?! That is totally irrational.
GeneSplicer

Robin,

Is this the case you are speaking of?

Link


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John Robin Sharpe (born circa 1933) is a Canadian convicted child sexual abuser noted for successfully challenging several portions of Canada's child pornography laws in regard to written material. He was also the first Canadian citizen to mount a successful constitutional challenge without legal representation. A retired city planner from Vancouver, British Columbia, prior to his well-publicized legal wrangling Sharpe had been a published writer (in the homosexually-themed magazines Passport and Sodomite Invasion Review) and an advocate for the legalization of recreational drugs and sexual relations between adults and minors. His written works follow the transgressive traditions of Marquis de Sade and D.H. Lawrence.

Sharpe was arrested and charged with two counts of possessing child pornography and two counts of distributing child pornography in 1995 after police raided his apartment and found photographs of adolescents involved in sexual activity and journals and manuscripts depicting fictitious adolescents engaged in sexual activity. In January 1999, he was acquitted of the charge of possession of child pornography by the British Columbia Supreme Court and, in May 1999, the British Columbia Court of Appeal upheld the ruling by a 2-1 vote. The Court of Appeal stated that current child pornography laws "[are] truly one step removed from criminalizing simply having objectionable thoughts." Shortly thereafter, British Columbia appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada which, in the landmark ruling of R. v. Sharpe in January 2001, upheld most of the child pornography law but said that people can't be prosecuted for creating works of their own imagination for their own use.

The case went back to the British Columbia Supreme Court which ruled in March 2002 that Sharpe was not guilty of possession of child pornography related to his sexually explicit writings but was guilty of two counts of possession of pornographic pictures of children. He was sentenced to four months of house arrest. British Columbia Supreme Court Judge Duncan Shaw condemned Sharpe's writings as "morally repugnant" but defended them as within Sharpe's legal rights because they "[did] not actively advocate or counsel the reader to engage in the acts described" and had "artistic merit". The ruling angered many family and child advocacy groups who claimed the "artistic merit" defense would open the door to wide-spread distribution of child pornography and limit the abilities of police forces to crack down on actual child exploitation, therefore placing children at risk.

Later in 2002, Sharpe was arrested again on the charges of gross indecency and indecent assault stemming from abuses which took place from 1979 to 1982. Pictures of the sexually abused teenager, who was aged 11 through 14 during the assaults, were among the over 500 for which he had been previously charged. In 2004, Sharpe was found guilty of indecent assault and sentenced to two years in prison, which he has promised to appeal. He has alleged that the boy was never harmed and wanted to have sex. During the trial, the victim said, "I like Robin, but if somebody did that to my kids, I'd want to kill him."

John Robin Sharpe is currently wanted on a warrant for failing to comply with the National Sex Offender Registry


Considering these convictions were overturned and this guy received a slap on the wrist for the listed offense, what exactly was it that you did that was so revolutionary?
Mr. Robin Parsons
Yes and this little notation here:

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appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada which, in the landmark ruling of R. v. Sharpe in January 2001, upheld most of the child pornography law but said that people can't be prosecuted for creating works of their own imagination for their own use.


..... is the 'slice' that (I) had a hand in ~ inasmuch as ~ what (I) wrote provided proof that they 'Authority' (Law) was not acting like the 'mind police' in wanting to restrict his works regardless of his claim (Defense by way) of "Works of the Imagination"

Old legal problem that one, historic....now 'solved'

Planetary Pax

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Mr. Robin Parsons
BTW that Wiki Entry is an erroneous interpretation of the result inasmuch as this line:

"upheld most of the child pornography law but said that people can't be prosecuted for creating works of their own imagination for their own use."

....is wrong as, they can be prosecuted for creating works of their own imaginations, the Justices of the Canadian Supreme Court ~ carved out an exception ~ to allow them to do that ~ explicitly for their own use.

Planetary Pax

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GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Feb 16 2008, 09:43 AM)
BTW that Wiki Entry is an erroneous interpretation of the result inasmuch as this line:

"upheld most of the child pornography law but said that people can't be prosecuted for creating works of their own imagination for their own use."

....is wrong as, they can be prosecuted for creating works of their own imaginations, the Justices of the Canadian Supreme Court ~ carved out an exception ~ to allow them to do that ~ explicitly for their own use.

Planetary Pax

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But that is simply not true since this conviction was overturned and he was not convicted for producing item considered child pornography for his own use and of his own imagination.
GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Mr. Robin Parsons+Feb 16 2008, 09:43 AM)
BTW that Wiki Entry is an erroneous interpretation of the result inasmuch as this line:

"upheld most of the child pornography law but said that people can't be prosecuted for creating works of their own imagination for their own use."

....is wrong as, they can be prosecuted for creating works of their own imaginations, the Justices of the Canadian Supreme Court ~ carved out an exception ~ to allow them to do that ~ explicitly for their own use.

Planetary Pax

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Not anymore. You are confusing the actions of the past that led up to the ruling and overturning of the conviction to what can be presently done. If someone was known to be creating works out of his or her own imagination for his own use then any court prosecuting him or her would be simply wasting the court’s time.

And again, if we take all your claims to be true, how does your lack of accreditation in this matter make you decide to become homeless?
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Feb 17 2008, 12:26 AM)
Not anymore.  You are confusing the actions of the past that led up to the ruling and overturning of the conviction to what can be presently done.  If someone was known to be creating works out of his or her own imagination for his own use then any court prosecuting him or her would be simply wasting the court’s time.
The ruling in the Supreme Court of Canada was on ~ or pertaining to ~ his CAUSE of RIGHT because he was trying to get Charter protection for his right to produce and distribute his work.

This page at-near the bottom of the page:
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1999-07-20  Response to the motion to state a constitutional question, letter dated July 20/99 (by fax) from Richard C.C. Peck, Q.C., Completed on: 1999-07-20 John Robin Sharpe
It was a Charter of Rights case-cause at the point that it got to the Supreme Court of Canada as they (The SCC) do not regularly hear-try cases about-concerning possession and/or distribution of child pornography by pedophiles.

He Lost.

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1999-07-20  Response to the motion to state a constitutional question, letter dated July 20/99 (by fax) from Richard C.C. Peck, Q.C., Completed on: 1999-07-20 John Robin Sharpe
It was a Charter of Rights case-cause at the point that it got to the Supreme Court of Canada as they (The SCC) do not regularly hear-try cases about-concerning possession and/or distribution of child pornography by pedophiles.

He Lost.

And again, if we take all your claims to be true, how does your lack of accreditation in this matter make you decide to become homeless?
Decide? no, a lack of accreditation stops one from being able to obtain employment at the Level at which it is proved they can perform, and (I) proved that ~ there ~ that, by the Grace of God, (I) can Perform at a MUCH higher level than most people had ever seen from me....'most people' because (I) had already well performed at that kind of a level, affecting a Nation and their thoughts, just that the ***** that cheated me took all of the CREDIT or Accreditation for what ~ ostensibly ~ (I) DID ~ as the product of thought as arising from my life's experience.


QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Feb 17 2008, 12:22 AM)
But that is simply not true since this conviction was overturned and he was not convicted for producing item considered child pornography for his own use and of his own imagination.
As (I) state above the Supreme Court case was a Cause of Right case, not pertaining directly ~ but in-directly ~ to him getting charged for possession of child porn.

Again ~ By the Grace of God ~ he did NOT obtain Charter Protection for his right to produce and distribute Child Pornography ~ even if from his imagination.

The exception allows him to do so (Produce only) ONLY for his own use.

So now, Tell me GeneSplicer ~ what does "Works of the Imagination" mean?
Mr. Robin Parsons
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Feb 15 2008, 10:43 AM)
(SNIP) The fact that many such photographers still exist and are still sought after in legal cases in the U.S. alone, your claims about worldwide impact seem questionable at best.  And I am not talking about typical underground child pornographers, but people posting such images as artwork. (SNoP)
That is because it is illegal, something that (I) helped to Maintain ~ the illegal status of Child Pornography.

So GeneSplicer, simple English....Mr. J R Sharpe gets caught with pedophile artworks, goes to trial, his lawyer defends him on the basis that it is a violation of his Charter (Constitutional) Right to 'Freedom of Expression' (Freedom of Speech in the U.S.) and tries to get the Law Struck Down.

Gets through two Courts in British Columbia - Canada - as the Justices facing the Idea that the Law is suppressing Mr. Sharpe's Rights to 'Freedom of Expression' based upon his claim that his works are "Works of the Imagination" agree that the Law appears as Unjust (illegal) and a Violation of His Charter Rights.

Ergo; it goes to the Supreme Court of Canada wherein they, the Nine Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada, are asked if the Law should be struck down ~ as illegal ~ as it is a Violation of Mr. J R Sharpe's CHARTER Rights based upon his claim of "Works of the Imagination"

Now GeneSplicer tell me how to go about proving that the law is JUST and should be upheld in the manner that it is written ~ without violating Mr. Sharpe's Rights to 'Freedom of Expression' and his Claim of "Works of the Imagination"

He claimed it was a violation of his right to 'Freedom of Expression' based upon "Works of the Imagination" a line that brought many in the legal community to task as they most assuredly do NOT want to regress our society back to the Stone age by being a part of suppressing peoples minds or creative outputs.

They did not ~ and do not ~ want ~ to appear as ~ or to be ~ the "Mind Police" and (I) salute them-thanks them all for that!!

Solve the Problem GeneSplicer, BTW (I) know it can be solved ~ as ~ by the Grace of God ~ (I) did exactly that!

P.S. you need to solve it to the satisfaction of the Nine Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada...not to my satisfaction but, since (I) have already done that, (I) could easily adjudicate your response ~ for it's validity.

Oh Yes, please do not come back here to talk to me unless you have accomplished this small task. cool.gif
GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Robin+)
It was a Charter of Rights case-cause at the point that it got to the Supreme Court of Canada as they (The SCC) do not regularly hear-try cases about-concerning possession and/or distribution of child pornography by pedophiles.

He Lost.

And what of the overturning of this conviction or this part of it?

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Decide? no, a lack of accreditation stops one from being able to obtain employment at the Level at which it is proved they can perform, and (I) proved that ~ there ~ that, by the Grace of God, (I) can Perform at a MUCH higher level than most people had ever seen from me....'most people' because (I) had already well performed at that kind of a level, affecting a Nation and their thoughts, just that the ***** that cheated me took all of the CREDIT or Accreditation for what ~ ostensibly ~ (I) DID ~ as the product of thought as arising from my life's experience.

So you want everyone to buy into the idea that since you were denied accreditations you claim were due, that instead of seeking any employment or continue to just hold a job, you willfully became homeless? And for what reason? Some misplaced super-ego?
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Decide? no, a lack of accreditation stops one from being able to obtain employment at the Level at which it is proved they can perform, and (I) proved that ~ there ~ that, by the Grace of God, (I) can Perform at a MUCH higher level than most people had ever seen from me....'most people' because (I) had already well performed at that kind of a level, affecting a Nation and their thoughts, just that the ***** that cheated me took all of the CREDIT or Accreditation for what ~ ostensibly ~ (I) DID ~ as the product of thought as arising from my life's experience.

So you want everyone to buy into the idea that since you were denied accreditations you claim were due, that instead of seeking any employment or continue to just hold a job, you willfully became homeless? And for what reason? Some misplaced super-ego?
As (I) state above the Supreme Court case was a Cause of Right case, not pertaining directly ~ but in-directly ~ to him getting charged for possession of child porn.

The case was directly about his being charged with possession of child pornography and possession with intent to distribute.
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The accused was charged with two counts of possession of child pornography under s. 163.1(4) of the Criminal Code and two counts of possession of child pornography for the purposes of distribution or sale under s. 163.1(3).

Under appeal, it was ruled that if the material was of his own creation and imagination and therefore not prosecutable. That ruling was in March of 2002. Was that ruling itself overturned?
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The accused was charged with two counts of possession of child pornography under s. 163.1(4) of the Criminal Code and two counts of possession of child pornography for the purposes of distribution or sale under s. 163.1(3).

Under appeal, it was ruled that if the material was of his own creation and imagination and therefore not prosecutable. That ruling was in March of 2002. Was that ruling itself overturned?
Again ~ By the Grace of God ~ he did NOT obtain Charter Protection for his right to produce and distribute Child Pornography ~ even if from his imagination.
And that claim is incorrect according to the records of note found on-line. Do you have a source citing that the March 2002 ruling was overturned?
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So now, Tell me GeneSplicer ~ what does "Works of the Imagination" mean?

It would appears work he created out of his own fantasy or imagination. And again, this type of material is protected according to the March 2002 ruling.
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So now, Tell me GeneSplicer ~ what does "Works of the Imagination" mean?

It would appears work he created out of his own fantasy or imagination. And again, this type of material is protected according to the March 2002 ruling.
That is because it is illegal, something that (I) helped to Maintain ~ the illegal status of Child Pornography.

And that is both a lie and a misunderstanding on your part. You lie that it is illegal for artistic pictures to exists on the web and you lie about your role.
The fact that many of these cites exists proves your claims wrong. The fact that they exists legally more so. The comment about being sought after is the blind hope of people wanting to get this “artistic” work deemed illegal and the photographers jailed.
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So GeneSplicer, simple English....Mr. J R Sharpe gets caught with pedophile artworks, goes to trial, his lawyer defends him on the basis that it is a violation of his Charter (Constitutional) Right to 'Freedom of Expression' (Freedom of Speech in the U.S.) and tries to get the Law Struck Down.

Gets through two Courts in British Columbia - Canada - as the Justices facing the Idea that the Law is suppressing Mr. Sharpe's Rights to 'Freedom of Expression' based upon his claim that his works are "Works of the Imagination" agree that the Law appears as Unjust (illegal) and a Violation of His Charter Rights.

Ergo; it goes to the Supreme Court of Canada wherein they, the Nine Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada, are asked if the Law should be struck down ~ as illegal ~ as it is a Violation of Mr. J R Sharpe's CHARTER Rights based upon his claim of "Works of the Imagination"

Now GeneSplicer tell me how to go about proving that the law is JUST and should be upheld in the manner that it is written ~ without violating Mr. Sharpe's Rights to 'Freedom of Expression' and his Claim of "Works of the Imagination"


That is just the point. Your claims are erroneous due to the fact that the March 2002 ruling upheld his right to produce works of imagination.
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So GeneSplicer, simple English....Mr. J R Sharpe gets caught with pedophile artworks, goes to trial, his lawyer defends him on the basis that it is a violation of his Charter (Constitutional) Right to 'Freedom of Expression' (Freedom of Speech in the U.S.) and tries to get the Law Struck Down.

Gets through two Courts in British Columbia - Canada - as the Justices facing the Idea that the Law is suppressing Mr. Sharpe's Rights to 'Freedom of Expression' based upon his claim that his works are "Works of the Imagination" agree that the Law appears as Unjust (illegal) and a Violation of His Charter Rights.

Ergo; it goes to the Supreme Court of Canada wherein they, the Nine Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada, are asked if the Law should be struck down ~ as illegal ~ as it is a Violation of Mr. J R Sharpe's CHARTER Rights based upon his claim of "Works of the Imagination"

Now GeneSplicer tell me how to go about proving that the law is JUST and should be upheld in the manner that it is written ~ without violating Mr. Sharpe's Rights to 'Freedom of Expression' and his Claim of "Works of the Imagination"


That is just the point. Your claims are erroneous due to the fact that the March 2002 ruling upheld his right to produce works of imagination.
Solve the Problem GeneSplicer, BTW (I) know it can be solved ~ as ~ by the Grace of God ~ (I) did exactly that!

Considering that the March 2002 ruling seems to be the last ruling regarding this case, your claim or coming up with a solution appears to be nothing more than a lie. Do you have a link to the detail of a ruling past the March 2002 ruling that made works of imagination illegal or Do I get the excuse that what should be a public record of a court ruling is somehow a privately-held copyrighted material?
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P.S. you need to solve it to the satisfaction of the Nine Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada...not to my satisfaction but, since (I) have already done that, (I) could easily adjudicate your response ~ for it's validity.
And again, that appears to be nothing more than a lie. What you claim does not follow public record over this case.
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P.S. you need to solve it to the satisfaction of the Nine Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada...not to my satisfaction but, since (I) have already done that, (I) could easily adjudicate your response ~ for it's validity.
And again, that appears to be nothing more than a lie. What you claim does not follow public record over this case.
Oh Yes, please do not come back here to talk to me unless you have accomplished this small task.

LOL. Don’t come back unless I can produce a bold face lie equal to or better than yours?! Sorry, I simply do not operate in the manner you do.

What you claim is not supported in the public record regarding this case. If you have proof,t hen please cite the ruling that occurred after the March 2002 ruling that overturned the right of this person to create works of his imagination and reinstated the charges he originally faced.

Unless you can produce this court case, then what you claim is simply another outright lie of yours.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Wow, you are funny ~ and not all that bright.

your Link is to the 2001 verdict
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Citation:R. v. Sharpe, 2001 SCC 2, [2001] 1 S.C.R. 45
Date:January 26, 2001
Docket: 27376
That is where the exception to permit 'for personal use' comes from so the entire rest of your post is Worthless (abusive ~ naturally) word salad.

Means nothing.

Go you one better there GeneSplicer what (I) did was to simply explain how my imagination worked. That is a universal truth, as it is how everyone's imagination works ~ respective of inputs and outputs.

It is one of the affects that reading this work has on the people who do read it.

Firstly they are a little bit awed as they recognize the truth they just experienced, then the think about it a little bit and realize that they knew it all along (But had never verbalized it, nor probably thought about it either) and they feel dis-appointed that somehow they had been fooled even though they had not.

Simple words GeneSplicer it is a truth in you too, you work that way too, so simply describe that successfully and you will figure it all out!

Since it is a truth inside of you too, (I) need prove nothing to you.

Legends never do.
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