http://www.physorg.com/news7500.html
This is seriously worrying, particularly for US science and development. Religeous fundamentalists are killing innovation. If we are not carefull we are heading for another "dark ages".
I'd like to see results for this same survey if it were conducted in other countries. It would be interesting to see if this opinion is prevalent outside the United States as well. My own experience would suggest that it is not, but I've no data to support that.
phone poll conducted where? at somebody's evangelical church in alabama? the white house? this crap certainly doesn't fly in california, and even in places like kansas where this is a big issue in the press right now the people pushing creationism are definately a small minority that just happens to be getting a whole lot of attention.
wacko "christian" folks have the spotlight in america right now. those of us here who have paid any attention to science and overall life on earth in the last several hundred years hope to have this problem resolved shortly. we apologize for any inconvienece this may have caused.
folks here have a right to believe whatever crazy crap they want to believe. it's america, enjoy it. i have beliefs that im sure others would call crazy crap too. in america you're free to be as nutty as you want, and we love it. however, bring this creationism bs into my kid's school and you'll have a face full of my middle finger. mainstream science and understanding of reality, even in america, has no place for this caveman mentality.
wacko "christian" folks have the spotlight in america right now. those of us here who have paid any attention to science and overall life on earth in the last several hundred years hope to have this problem resolved shortly. we apologize for any inconvienece this may have caused.
folks here have a right to believe whatever crazy crap they want to believe. it's america, enjoy it. i have beliefs that im sure others would call crazy crap too. in america you're free to be as nutty as you want, and we love it. however, bring this creationism bs into my kid's school and you'll have a face full of my middle finger. mainstream science and understanding of reality, even in america, has no place for this caveman mentality.
But whats the trend over time?
100 years ago the number was probably 85% believed that god made man in his image, 200 years ago it was probably 98%.
100 years ago the number was probably 85% believed that god made man in his image, 200 years ago it was probably 98%.
This is very disturbing! These are the same people that accept and benefit from advances in science everyday, health, consumer tech, economic... yet, they turn their backs on that same scientific process on one of the greatest and best documented discoveries from that science.
I guess it's one of human kinds greatest failings that we are so insecure about ourselves and our place in the universe that we have this need to have an omnipotent being as our creator and (for the most part) cannot accept that we might have come into being through natural selection.
My $0.02
I guess it's one of human kinds greatest failings that we are so insecure about ourselves and our place in the universe that we have this need to have an omnipotent being as our creator and (for the most part) cannot accept that we might have come into being through natural selection.
My $0.02
The results of this survey are disturbing but not surprising. The Christian Right is leading the US into a second Dark Ages, one in which hypocrisy and intolerance rule and science has no place. These are the same people who on one hand oppose abortion (because “human life is sacred”) but on the other hand advocate the death penalty, or going to war at the drop of a hat killing hundreds of thousands of children, or opposing initiatives to assist the needy in America (such as retired US veterans who have their benefits trimmed). This group is not capable of rational thought and therefore not capable of making rational choices in the best interest of society, yet they are currently the ones running the show politically. Why is that?
I really don't see any relationship between religion and politics. People on both sides of the fence try to draw one, but I know as many conservative atheists and liberal atheists, and about the same number of Church goers on either side. For every right-wing homophobic wacko there's a left-wing welfare-abusing communist. Politics and religion are sperate animals, and shouldn't be confused.
Oh! You poor misguided people. I've been a science buff (with a degree in electrical engineering), since whenever. I believe in and use the scientific methods and principles as God has allowed us to know them, and use them to advance(?) our society. The universe did not create itself. Except is very rare cases, it is very hostile to life. How many other worlds similar to ours is sheer speculation. And could be none! Every day a new discovery upsets older theories of the universe in some fashion. Answer me this - how long is eternity. Or, Divide 1 by 2 as many times as it takes to get to aboluste zero! You put your faith in man's ability to eventually become a God! I put my faith in the creator of the universe.
I love all the people who say you can't believe in God and also use science and learn about it. The truth of the matter is that if science could prove there was no God, then there would be no argument about the matter. But the facts are it can't. It doesn't even come close. Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawkins, two of the greatest names in science, have both nevr denied the existance of God.
I myself am a 3rd year student in Chemical Engineering and if anything my belief in God has increased the more I learn about the science that defines the world around us.
I'm all for believing what you will, free speech and what not. It's funny that most people who say that freak out and feel they have to say something whenever you start talking about God.... peculiar.
I myself am a 3rd year student in Chemical Engineering and if anything my belief in God has increased the more I learn about the science that defines the world around us.
I'm all for believing what you will, free speech and what not. It's funny that most people who say that freak out and feel they have to say something whenever you start talking about God.... peculiar.
To those asking for comparable figures from other countries: eg. Britain, the figure is well below 25%. as are most other relevant developed nations. I've seen the survey stats, trying to hunt them up.
This Pew survey has some interesting stats.
http://pewforum.org/publications/surveys/postelection.pdf
Looks like Bush won on the Traditional Evalgelical + Latino Non-Catholic + Traditional Catholic votes, esp last two previously Democrat.
Anyone who travels in and out of the US will tell you the religion "thing" is a really striking difference. I was flabergasted going to a factory in Arkansas near Texarcana where almost the first person the plant manager introduced me to was the "plant minister", who is full-time on staff to "minister to the employees". Couldn't believe such an intrusive approach. Almost put my foot in it thinking the guy was joking at first.
This Pew survey has some interesting stats.
http://pewforum.org/publications/surveys/postelection.pdf
Looks like Bush won on the Traditional Evalgelical + Latino Non-Catholic + Traditional Catholic votes, esp last two previously Democrat.
Anyone who travels in and out of the US will tell you the religion "thing" is a really striking difference. I was flabergasted going to a factory in Arkansas near Texarcana where almost the first person the plant manager introduced me to was the "plant minister", who is full-time on staff to "minister to the employees". Couldn't believe such an intrusive approach. Almost put my foot in it thinking the guy was joking at first.
This is fu*kin bullsh*t is what it is.
Earthbased man is a modified product, which had been modified by many offworld forces.
Don't you think it highly abnormal, that a yokel can come up with the most advanced physics,. in cosmology, as if this were a fluke?
This is bullsh*t, man was modified.
I still believe in evolution, however' Earthbased man was fiddled with.
Earthbased man is a modified product, which had been modified by many offworld forces.
Don't you think it highly abnormal, that a yokel can come up with the most advanced physics,. in cosmology, as if this were a fluke?
This is bullsh*t, man was modified.
I still believe in evolution, however' Earthbased man was fiddled with.
Trouble is, these beleivers are the ones who voted in your President,
and he also mentioned that ID should be taught in science class!
I thought the idea was to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of religeous fanatics!
and he also mentioned that ID should be taught in science class!
I thought the idea was to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of religeous fanatics!
QUOTE
I thought the idea was to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of religeous fanatics!
Too late, anon. US already has every bloody type ever thought of, and probably a few besides.
You know its this kind of anti-religious crap that really frucks up the world. You bitch about religious extremism but you cant see your own anti-religious extremism.
At least we've got proof for our brand of extremism. 
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
QUOTE (Guest+)
Earthbased man is a modified product, which had been modified by many offworld forces.
I believe this theory should be taught in classrooms alongside ID. There are holes in evolution - where did we come from? - which it answers. And I've got loads of books to support it ... even the old XCom game manual supports it! It must be true! Teach the controversy
I believe this theory should be taught in classrooms alongside ID. There are holes in evolution - where did we come from? - which it answers. And I've got loads of books to support it ... even the old XCom game manual supports it! It must be true! Teach the controversy
hello, all
flaubergausted -
You can't even spell your own signon, much less Stephen HawkinG's name. You also don't understand the Scientific Method - since you didn't even get that right.
This statistic is not surprising. Individuals are smart, people are ridiculously stupid. Think about it:
Galileo was excommunicated for his "beliefs". It only took the Papacy 490 years to correct their "infallable" mistake. But how could you argue against the Pope (Pope Paul V)?
The most "compelling" argument for slavery in America pre-civil war was that it was our "G_d-given right" and "slavery was in the Bible!". Of course, the actual argument was the labor-intensive nature of the crops being grown in the south - but how could people argue against religion?
Fast-forward to the 20th century. The most "compelling" argument against intermarriage and equal rights for minorities was - can you guess? - religion. In fact, it was illegal in 9 states for a white person to marry an Asian up until 1968 (even after the civil rights amendments were passed).
How many more times are we going to let the subhuman religious zealots hoodwink us by trying to play the religion card? The aggregate stupidity of the American people is only being bolstered by a President who readily claims the nonsense bullsh&t of ID to be acceptable - spoken by the same president who just admitted to Mahmoud Abbas (the new president of the Palestinian state) that "G_d told him to free the Palestinians".
You'd think that after this country was begun by a cult (the Puritans) who quickly died off, and other splinter cults like the Shakers (who killed themselves off via complete abstension), that we would have learned by now..............nope.
-skeptically spinning my solids
flaubergausted -
You can't even spell your own signon, much less Stephen HawkinG's name. You also don't understand the Scientific Method - since you didn't even get that right.
This statistic is not surprising. Individuals are smart, people are ridiculously stupid. Think about it:
Galileo was excommunicated for his "beliefs". It only took the Papacy 490 years to correct their "infallable" mistake. But how could you argue against the Pope (Pope Paul V)?
The most "compelling" argument for slavery in America pre-civil war was that it was our "G_d-given right" and "slavery was in the Bible!". Of course, the actual argument was the labor-intensive nature of the crops being grown in the south - but how could people argue against religion?
Fast-forward to the 20th century. The most "compelling" argument against intermarriage and equal rights for minorities was - can you guess? - religion. In fact, it was illegal in 9 states for a white person to marry an Asian up until 1968 (even after the civil rights amendments were passed).
How many more times are we going to let the subhuman religious zealots hoodwink us by trying to play the religion card? The aggregate stupidity of the American people is only being bolstered by a President who readily claims the nonsense bullsh&t of ID to be acceptable - spoken by the same president who just admitted to Mahmoud Abbas (the new president of the Palestinian state) that "G_d told him to free the Palestinians".
You'd think that after this country was begun by a cult (the Puritans) who quickly died off, and other splinter cults like the Shakers (who killed themselves off via complete abstension), that we would have learned by now..............nope.
-skeptically spinning my solids
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (frasersteen+Oct 24 2005, 05:07 PM)
http://www.physorg.com/news7500.html
This is seriously worrying, particularly for US science and development. Religeous fundamentalists are killing innovation. If we are not carefull we are heading for another "dark ages".
Actually it is the evolutionists who are holding back the progress of science. (see Science as Mythology by Daniel Boorstin, Science Digest, December 1984 p. 82). After so many years of humanistic brainwashing imposed by the public school system, it is good to see that a lot of people are still able to think for themselves.
Creation Proof
This is seriously worrying, particularly for US science and development. Religeous fundamentalists are killing innovation. If we are not carefull we are heading for another "dark ages".
Actually it is the evolutionists who are holding back the progress of science. (see Science as Mythology by Daniel Boorstin, Science Digest, December 1984 p. 82). After so many years of humanistic brainwashing imposed by the public school system, it is good to see that a lot of people are still able to think for themselves.
Creation Proof
Hey, look!
Here's
proof that JerryDuke is a psychotic kookiebird!
Here'smore proof that Bush is a kookiebird, too!
Without measurement, there is no science. Since ID cannot, by definition, be measured, it is not science.
- angrily spinning solids
Here's
proof that JerryDuke is a psychotic kookiebird!
Here'smore proof that Bush is a kookiebird, too!
Without measurement, there is no science. Since ID cannot, by definition, be measured, it is not science.
- angrily spinning solids
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Please place this thread into it's proper subcategory.
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Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (phenob+Oct 24 2005, 05:36 PM)
... hope to have this problem resolved shortly...
Good news! Jesus will soon be here!
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (Revelation 19:11-16)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your lif over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
Good news! Jesus will soon be here!
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (Revelation 19:11-16)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your lif over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
QUOTE (solidspin+Oct 25 2005, 01:57 PM)
Hey, look!
Here's
proof that JerryDuke is a psychotic kookiebird!
Oh my god! (Pardon the expression)
This is funny.
So, if I place a 1 cubic foot block of gold in a tub of water it will displace more water than a one cubic foot block of clay... After all the gold does weigh more than the clay does....
Hmmm.... if she weighs the same as a duck, then she is made of wood and therfore... a witch!
Here's
proof that JerryDuke is a psychotic kookiebird!
Oh my god! (Pardon the expression)
This is funny.
So, if I place a 1 cubic foot block of gold in a tub of water it will displace more water than a one cubic foot block of clay... After all the gold does weigh more than the clay does....
Hmmm.... if she weighs the same as a duck, then she is made of wood and therfore... a witch!
The Poll is a fake. Like every single pool coming from these CFR/CIA controlled media.
NO WAY NO HOW do 51 percent plus another 30 percent (total 81%) believe god created life on earth.
This is the ango establishment elites pushing this garbage as a way to control us. They've been doing it for about a thousand years since they discovered that it is much easier to control people if you could get them to believe that some higher power has put this societies "order" in place. This way we don't tear these elites limb from limb for all their rape of our world. The elites just point to god and say, he put us here, and he put you down there, and this is where we will stay, and you all, well, god says that you will stay there...
...that is the sole function and reason why the elites have, pushing religion on us, as a major part of their agenda of control. It's no accident that all the major CFR/CIA controlled networks are pushing this agenda very hard these days.
Know your enemy and open your mind
vox
voxfux.com
NO WAY NO HOW do 51 percent plus another 30 percent (total 81%) believe god created life on earth.
This is the ango establishment elites pushing this garbage as a way to control us. They've been doing it for about a thousand years since they discovered that it is much easier to control people if you could get them to believe that some higher power has put this societies "order" in place. This way we don't tear these elites limb from limb for all their rape of our world. The elites just point to god and say, he put us here, and he put you down there, and this is where we will stay, and you all, well, god says that you will stay there...
...that is the sole function and reason why the elites have, pushing religion on us, as a major part of their agenda of control. It's no accident that all the major CFR/CIA controlled networks are pushing this agenda very hard these days.
Know your enemy and open your mind
vox
voxfux.com
"Although most demographic groups say it's possible to believe in both God and evolution, more than half of white evangelical Christians say that is not possible. "
This is a nothing statement put in the article to inflame the intended audience. No value here. How many are white evangelical Christians? Would that be 3 or 700? Makes a big difference on how you read this article.
This is a nothing statement put in the article to inflame the intended audience. No value here. How many are white evangelical Christians? Would that be 3 or 700? Makes a big difference on how you read this article.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (Ryan411+Oct 24 2005, 08:08 PM)
The results of this survey are disturbing but not surprising. The Christian Right ... are currently the ones running the show politically. Why is that?
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. (Psalm 2)
For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations. (Psalm 22:28)
O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet. He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah. God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet. Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises. For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted. (Psalm 47)
He ruleth by his power for ever; his eyes behold the nations: let not the rebellious exalt themselves. Selah. (Psalm 66:7)
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (Isaiah 2:4)
The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. (Isaiah 52:10)
I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations. (Isaiah 61:10-11)
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zechariah 12:9-10)
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your lif over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
Creation Proof
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. (Psalm 2)
For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations. (Psalm 22:28)
O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet. He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah. God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet. Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises. For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted. (Psalm 47)
He ruleth by his power for ever; his eyes behold the nations: let not the rebellious exalt themselves. Selah. (Psalm 66:7)
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (Isaiah 2:4)
The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. (Isaiah 52:10)
I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations. (Isaiah 61:10-11)
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zechariah 12:9-10)
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your lif over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
Creation Proof
"A LONG TIME AGO IN A GALAXY FAR, FAR AWAY"
How to become a Jedi:
Practice your light saber everyday.
Use the force.
Commit your life to Yoda.
Don't you see how absurd you sound quoting a novel and proclaiming all obey.
I pissed at you for making me blaspheme my God to make a point.
How to become a Jedi:
Practice your light saber everyday.
Use the force.
Commit your life to Yoda.
Don't you see how absurd you sound quoting a novel and proclaiming all obey.
I pissed at you for making me blaspheme my God to make a point.
QUOTE (Guest+Oct 25 2005, 02:34 PM)
QUOTE (solidspin+Oct 25 2005, 01:57 PM)
Hey, look!
Here's
proof that JerryDuke is a psychotic kookiebird!
...
This is funny.
So, if I place a 1 cubic foot block of gold in a tub of water it will displace more water than a one cubic foot block of clay... After all the gold does weigh more than the clay does....
Hmmm.... if she weighs the same as a duck, then she is made of wood and therfore... a witch!
Hint: The key word for testing Archimedes' Principle is floating. If you want to test it with something heavier than water, float it with a boat.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Wow, that IS good news! I hear he makes a delicious pound cake.
Oh wait, are we talking about the mythological jesus figure? The one based on the sun god ra? The one described in astrological allegory by the holy bible (originally helios biblio - book of the sun)? Who's life is a series of plagarized events from countless other astrological deities? Oh - cause that guy is make believe.
I thought we were talking about the mexican immigrant. Sorry for the confusion.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Here's
proof that JerryDuke is a psychotic kookiebird!
...
This is funny.
So, if I place a 1 cubic foot block of gold in a tub of water it will displace more water than a one cubic foot block of clay... After all the gold does weigh more than the clay does....
Hmmm.... if she weighs the same as a duck, then she is made of wood and therfore... a witch!
Hint: The key word for testing Archimedes' Principle is floating. If you want to test it with something heavier than water, float it with a boat.
I think it's ironic that 50% of the population has a below average IQ too.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (solidspin+Oct 25 2005, 01:13 PM)
... (the Puritans) who quickly died off ...
-skeptically spinning my solids
The Puritan
As I walked down the street one time --
I heard somebody say,
"Just look! You won't believe it!
A Puritan in our day!
Her dresses are not tight enough,
And they are far too long --
To give us satisfaction,
I s'pose she thinks it's wrong.
And just look at her face, would you!
There's not a bit of paint!
I s'pose she thinks it's naughty
To look like what she ain't!
And I'm quite sure she's just too pure
To drink a little wine,
Or smoke and cuss, and dance the night,
And have her a good time."
He said it with a swagger,
But in his heart he cried,
"I wish I wasn't bound by sin
And Pressure's mighty tide."
Then as I passed them on the street,
I handed them God's Word,
"This tells about God's 'Freedom',
in case you haven't heard.
I first became a Puritan
When Christ saved me from sin,
He washed me with His precious Blood,
And made me pure within.
Puritan stands for Pure, you know,
May God keep me that way,
Until I stand before His throne,
On that great Judgment Day!"
Some mocked, -- but on the face of him
who had hissed, "Puritan!"
I saw a hidden longing there,
To be free from his sin.
by Queen Esther
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (II Corinthians 5:17)
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. (Matthew 5:8)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your lif over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
Creation Proof
How to be Saved
.
-skeptically spinning my solids
The Puritan
As I walked down the street one time --
I heard somebody say,
"Just look! You won't believe it!
A Puritan in our day!
Her dresses are not tight enough,
And they are far too long --
To give us satisfaction,
I s'pose she thinks it's wrong.
And just look at her face, would you!
There's not a bit of paint!
I s'pose she thinks it's naughty
To look like what she ain't!
And I'm quite sure she's just too pure
To drink a little wine,
Or smoke and cuss, and dance the night,
And have her a good time."
He said it with a swagger,
But in his heart he cried,
"I wish I wasn't bound by sin
And Pressure's mighty tide."
Then as I passed them on the street,
I handed them God's Word,
"This tells about God's 'Freedom',
in case you haven't heard.
I first became a Puritan
When Christ saved me from sin,
He washed me with His precious Blood,
And made me pure within.
Puritan stands for Pure, you know,
May God keep me that way,
Until I stand before His throne,
On that great Judgment Day!"
Some mocked, -- but on the face of him
who had hissed, "Puritan!"
I saw a hidden longing there,
To be free from his sin.
by Queen Esther
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (II Corinthians 5:17)
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. (Matthew 5:8)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your lif over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
Creation Proof
How to be Saved
.
QUOTE
Good news! Jesus will soon be here!
Wow, that IS good news! I hear he makes a delicious pound cake.
Oh wait, are we talking about the mythological jesus figure? The one based on the sun god ra? The one described in astrological allegory by the holy bible (originally helios biblio - book of the sun)? Who's life is a series of plagarized events from countless other astrological deities? Oh - cause that guy is make believe.
I thought we were talking about the mexican immigrant. Sorry for the confusion.
Jerry's disertation has lots of interesting tidbits.
Guess that resolves THAT prickly issue?
Arthur
QUOTE
The mathematical analysis presented in this book deals with that which can be tested and reveals a 100% certainty that God created the universe.
I believe that God created the heavens and the earth. If He really did, it should be possible to prove it mathematically. How would the theorem be written to express such an idea as the creation of the universe?
First we must define the universe in mathematical terms.
Define "c" as the percentage of the material universe created by God, "e" as the percentage of the universe which evolved by chance, "x" as the percentage of other material substance, and "1" as 100% of the whole universe containing everything that is.
We can define the material universe as c + e + x = 1
"God created the universe" can be expressed as, "c = 1".
Theorem:
Given c + e + x = 1
Then c = 1
I have calculated the values of "c" and "e" discovering that c = 1 and e = 0. Solving c + e + x = 1 for "x" results in x = 0. Substituting the values for each quantity, we have 1 + 0 + 0 = 1, a true statement. Thus c + e + x = 1 is equivalent to c = 1. Given the fact that there is a universe, mathematical calculations prove that it is the creation of God.
c = 1 = 100% of the universe because the Bible says so and the Bible is true.
I believe that God created the heavens and the earth. If He really did, it should be possible to prove it mathematically. How would the theorem be written to express such an idea as the creation of the universe?
First we must define the universe in mathematical terms.
Define "c" as the percentage of the material universe created by God, "e" as the percentage of the universe which evolved by chance, "x" as the percentage of other material substance, and "1" as 100% of the whole universe containing everything that is.
We can define the material universe as c + e + x = 1
"God created the universe" can be expressed as, "c = 1".
Theorem:
Given c + e + x = 1
Then c = 1
I have calculated the values of "c" and "e" discovering that c = 1 and e = 0. Solving c + e + x = 1 for "x" results in x = 0. Substituting the values for each quantity, we have 1 + 0 + 0 = 1, a true statement. Thus c + e + x = 1 is equivalent to c = 1. Given the fact that there is a universe, mathematical calculations prove that it is the creation of God.
c = 1 = 100% of the universe because the Bible says so and the Bible is true.
Guess that resolves THAT prickly issue?
Arthur
More Jerry, this not so nice:
Reign On!
Arthur
QUOTE
Evolution is a gateway to hell and damnation. Those who refuse the Salvation of God in Jesus Christ will be cast into the lake of fire with hell and the devil, where the fire is not quenched and their worm dieth not. Hell is a place prepared for the devil, his angels, cowards and liars. If you don't believe in hell, consider this; on the surface of the earth, you are positioned about 50 miles above a physical lake of fire and brimstone eight thousand miles across. Can you doubt the spiritual reality when you live so near the physical? There are cracks in your perch. It is only by the mercy of God that the earth is not yet completely on fire. A day is coming in which the earth and the heavens will burn up entirely, giving way to a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness will rule.
When Jesus Christ returns to earth, Satan will be imprisoned and the Lord Jesus Christ with His followers will rule the world. Until then we love our neighbors and suffer the injustice of secular government, while enjoying mercy, forgiveness and indescribable peace in our inward being.
Evolution is a satanic tool for destroying human beings.
Whatever injustice we suffer at the hands of evolutionists, we have no right to fear them. They may sometimes be superior to us in intellect and talents, but they are always inferior to God. God has made those who believe in Jesus Christ to be a kingdom of priests and kings. We are not irrelevant artifacts, nor the scum of the earth as portrayed in popular media. We are kings, and it is time for us to reign!
When Jesus Christ returns to earth, Satan will be imprisoned and the Lord Jesus Christ with His followers will rule the world. Until then we love our neighbors and suffer the injustice of secular government, while enjoying mercy, forgiveness and indescribable peace in our inward being.
Evolution is a satanic tool for destroying human beings.
Whatever injustice we suffer at the hands of evolutionists, we have no right to fear them. They may sometimes be superior to us in intellect and talents, but they are always inferior to God. God has made those who believe in Jesus Christ to be a kingdom of priests and kings. We are not irrelevant artifacts, nor the scum of the earth as portrayed in popular media. We are kings, and it is time for us to reign!
Reign On!
Arthur
More Jerry, trying to be scientific, postulating questions that only someone with little or no scientific training couldn't answer.
Note: Jerry only counts time from when Adam and Eve were "created", thus while they were supposedly made about 6 or 7 thousand years ago, Jerry's interpretation of Genesis allows for the universe to be much older.
Arthur
QUOTE
Population growth today is inexorable. In spite of hundreds of millions of abortions and other hundreds of millions killed in wars and by diseases, there are twice as many people alive today than there were 50 years ago. Taking an average population growth rate for the time we know about, we can project backward to find a time when there were only eight people in the world. That time is not more than 5,000 years ago. If human beings were on the earth for a million years prior to that and there was no world-covering flood to kill them, why did the population not increase like it does today? If 5,000 years is enough to make people panic and start killing their neighbors’ children and their own for the benefit of society, why was there no population explosion during the previous million years? If there were hundreds of global mass murders to control the population, where are the trillions of bones, that should be lying all around us? Evolutionists have no scientific evidence to explain the discrepancies.
There is a live olive tree in the Garden of Gethsemane in Jerusalem that is supposed to be 3,000 years old. Another tree in the same garden is supposed to be 2,500 years old. If trees have been growing continuously for hundreds of millions of years, why don’t we see live trees that are 50,000 years old, or a million years old?
When people began traveling to the moon it was believed, because of the claims of evolutionists, that dust on the moon was so deep, the lunar lander would sink out of sight. The evolutionists were wrong. In fact, the astronauts found only one-eighth of an inch of dust on the moon. Studies have shown that only 1/67 of moon dust is cosmic dust. The bulk is meteoric impact debris. The latest revised estimates I've seen claim there should be 5 inches of cosmic dust if the moon is 4.5 billion years old. The total depth of moon dust of both types then should be 335 inches which is about 28 feet. This is a huge discrepancy. Uniformitarian calculations of the depth of moon dust indicate the age of the moon to be 1,679,104 years. If the actual age the moon is 10,000 years, the measurements are only off by a factor of 168, much more accurate than the evolutionist estimate which is wrong by a factor of 2,680.
There is a live olive tree in the Garden of Gethsemane in Jerusalem that is supposed to be 3,000 years old. Another tree in the same garden is supposed to be 2,500 years old. If trees have been growing continuously for hundreds of millions of years, why don’t we see live trees that are 50,000 years old, or a million years old?
When people began traveling to the moon it was believed, because of the claims of evolutionists, that dust on the moon was so deep, the lunar lander would sink out of sight. The evolutionists were wrong. In fact, the astronauts found only one-eighth of an inch of dust on the moon. Studies have shown that only 1/67 of moon dust is cosmic dust. The bulk is meteoric impact debris. The latest revised estimates I've seen claim there should be 5 inches of cosmic dust if the moon is 4.5 billion years old. The total depth of moon dust of both types then should be 335 inches which is about 28 feet. This is a huge discrepancy. Uniformitarian calculations of the depth of moon dust indicate the age of the moon to be 1,679,104 years. If the actual age the moon is 10,000 years, the measurements are only off by a factor of 168, much more accurate than the evolutionist estimate which is wrong by a factor of 2,680.
Note: Jerry only counts time from when Adam and Eve were "created", thus while they were supposedly made about 6 or 7 thousand years ago, Jerry's interpretation of Genesis allows for the universe to be much older.
Arthur
Jerry's odds and ends:
I particularly like the part where he proves that only 95 out of 100 words in the bible are correct.
Wonder which ones are WRONG?
Arthur
QUOTE
In 1947 a copy of the Book of Isaiah was found in a cave in Qumran in Israel and dated as 1,000 years older than any other known Bible. The Hebrew of the Qumran text is reported to be 95% conformable to the Masoretic text.
How did God create the universe? He spoke and the created things came into being. When we read it in the Bible, it seems astonishing. When we think about it, His method is also our method. We speak and the things we speak about come into being. The first airplane began with a thought. After thinking about it the inventors spoke about it and eventually that which they spoke about came into being, they climbed aboard and flew through the air.
I am confident that there are billions of ways to prove that God is the Creator. I also know that there are billions of ways to prove that evolution is false. Creation shines brightly in the light of Truth while evolution is like a shadow that disappears when the Light shines down upon it. Only by unfairly declaring the witness of faith to be out-of-bounds have the evolutionists been able to argue their case in academic circles. In the academic vacuum of cynicism and in the absence of scrutiny, evolution seems plausible. The Scientific Method disproves evolution, but it proves the Word of God.
If evolution cannot produce a book, neither can it produce the human author who contains the book. William Shakespeare contained the works of Shakespeare. The universe contains Shakespeare. If evolution cannot produce the works of Shakespeare, neither can it produce the universe. The probability that evolution produced The Works of Shakespeare is zero. The probability that evolution produced The Works of Shakespeare and Shakespeare is zero. The probability that evolution produced The Works of Shakespeare and Shakespeare and the universe is zero. This fact is a mathematical certainty.
If you don't believe in hell, consider this; on the surface of the earth, you are positioned about 50 miles above a physical lake of fire and brimstone eight thousand miles across. Can you doubt the spiritual reality when you live so near the physical? There are cracks in your perch. It is only by the mercy of God that the earth is not yet completely on fire. A day is coming in which the earth and the heavens will burn up entirely, giving way to a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness will rule.
If someone discards scientific proof of creation in favor of an unknown creative force called evolution, it is the same as saying that evolution is 100% occult. Having faith in occultism does not disprove my theorem.
How did God create the universe? He spoke and the created things came into being. When we read it in the Bible, it seems astonishing. When we think about it, His method is also our method. We speak and the things we speak about come into being. The first airplane began with a thought. After thinking about it the inventors spoke about it and eventually that which they spoke about came into being, they climbed aboard and flew through the air.
I am confident that there are billions of ways to prove that God is the Creator. I also know that there are billions of ways to prove that evolution is false. Creation shines brightly in the light of Truth while evolution is like a shadow that disappears when the Light shines down upon it. Only by unfairly declaring the witness of faith to be out-of-bounds have the evolutionists been able to argue their case in academic circles. In the academic vacuum of cynicism and in the absence of scrutiny, evolution seems plausible. The Scientific Method disproves evolution, but it proves the Word of God.
If evolution cannot produce a book, neither can it produce the human author who contains the book. William Shakespeare contained the works of Shakespeare. The universe contains Shakespeare. If evolution cannot produce the works of Shakespeare, neither can it produce the universe. The probability that evolution produced The Works of Shakespeare is zero. The probability that evolution produced The Works of Shakespeare and Shakespeare is zero. The probability that evolution produced The Works of Shakespeare and Shakespeare and the universe is zero. This fact is a mathematical certainty.
If you don't believe in hell, consider this; on the surface of the earth, you are positioned about 50 miles above a physical lake of fire and brimstone eight thousand miles across. Can you doubt the spiritual reality when you live so near the physical? There are cracks in your perch. It is only by the mercy of God that the earth is not yet completely on fire. A day is coming in which the earth and the heavens will burn up entirely, giving way to a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness will rule.
If someone discards scientific proof of creation in favor of an unknown creative force called evolution, it is the same as saying that evolution is 100% occult. Having faith in occultism does not disprove my theorem.
I particularly like the part where he proves that only 95 out of 100 words in the bible are correct.
Wonder which ones are WRONG?
Arthur
I think the bone discrepancy is an especially nice touch. Why AREN'T we wading through a boneyard? As an evolutionary I got nothin'! You know, you would at least expect teeth as they last a lot longer than bones, trillions and trillions of pointy little teeth filling our cabinets, covering our highways! What a nightmare world! I'm convinced! I mean otherwise you'd be assuming some sort of magical system wherein organic matter would be broken down and rebuilt again by some sort of scientific Bogeymen!
How long has Germ theory been around? (Cause that's JUST a theory, too) A little less than a century? Well, Jerry, I'm sure you'll catch up eventually...
How long has Germ theory been around? (Cause that's JUST a theory, too) A little less than a century? Well, Jerry, I'm sure you'll catch up eventually...
All -
I can email anyone who wants a copy of "101 contradictions of the bible" - good ones that screw up everything from numbers of people slaughtered, etc.
I can email anyone who wants a copy of "101 contradictions of the bible" - good ones that screw up everything from numbers of people slaughtered, etc.
But if every word is true, infallible, AND contradictory, could the Bible be one long Taoist koan? 
QUOTE (Guest+Oct 25 2005, 08:59 AM)
You know its this kind of anti-religious crap that really frucks up the world. You bitch about religious extremism but you cant see your own anti-religious extremism.
"anti-religious" extremist frucks up the world??? Lets see, hmmm which would that be? the anti-(anything-not-Christian) right, no, how about the anti-Palestine Jewish? no, well then how about the anti-Jewish Palestinian? no, what about the ... The one common thing here is not the anti-religious but the anti-(not-my-particular-brand-of-religion) religious!
The world would be much better off (and I do mean a much more moral place) without religions especially the various religions telling us they are the saved ones and the rest are all dammed!
"anti-religious" extremist frucks up the world??? Lets see, hmmm which would that be? the anti-(anything-not-Christian) right, no, how about the anti-Palestine Jewish? no, well then how about the anti-Jewish Palestinian? no, what about the ... The one common thing here is not the anti-religious but the anti-(not-my-particular-brand-of-religion) religious!
The world would be much better off (and I do mean a much more moral place) without religions especially the various religions telling us they are the saved ones and the rest are all dammed!
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us." Pope Leo X 1513
The bible is allegorical. It was not intended to be a historical document. Jesus himself is not a historical figure. He began his "life" as the same kind of deity everyone in that time was familiar with. The astrological sun god. All of the events described in his life are associated with numbers and stories that are derived from astrological phenomena. Astrology was the most powerful force in those times, and the easiest way for christianity to gain new members was to present a religion that was based on what people already knew.
If you look at the correspondence between early christian leaders, they never once speak of Jesus as a man - nor do they once mention any of the events in his life that should have been important to them. Not once is there mention of the places that any faithful christian of the time should surely have been aware of. Instead, they discussed him simply as a deity. In fact, many early christians were disgusted by the idea that their god would visit the vile, dirty world of humans.
Christian leaders in the second century began historicizing Jesus. This gave them power over the other religions of the day - the christian god had come to earth in the form of a MAN. He had walked among the masses, worked his miracles - he wasn't just some phony invisible being in the sky! They outlawed astrology as sin, ensuring that the masses would remain ignorant of the religion's origins.
For the next 1500 years, the church burned any historical documents that they didn't like. They withheld all knowledge, and they systematically rewrote the remaining texts such that history would match up to what they believed. This fact cannot be disputed - the dark ages. Most of them probably meant well - they were simply "correcting" a few "mistakes" about history.
The supposed time of Jesus was incredibly well documented. Any number of hundreds of prominent historians could have recorded his existence. Especially considering his amazing feats. Yet the only known extra-biblical accounts of Jesus amount to about a total of a paragraph, and have blatent literary seams. Purely forgeries, executed by a tyrannical church bent on subjugating an ignorant mass.
I could spend days pointing out the events in Jesus' life that are in fact just astrological phenomena. Just as i could spend days going over how the virgin birth, the sermon on the mount, the crucifixtion, the resurrection three days later - all of those things were attributed to literally dozens of deities prior to the supposed life of Jesus.
I try to respect people's religious beliefs. I understand the draw, why it's so easy to believe. But there are times that you have to question what you're taught. There are times to read the bible critically, and refuse to accept the entire thing as the word of god. The historical inaccuracies, the constant contradictions, the rather blatent use of astrological symbolism (the fish, the lamb, the number 3, the 12 apostles and their amazing similarity to the zodiac, the number 7, the halo, the crown of thorns, the three day resurrection - all astrology that predates christianity by a thousand years).
Believe in god, if that's your wish. But don't follow blindly, and don't let your natural logic be crushed by dogma. The universe is an amazingly vast place, and it was not created specially just for us. Don't be afraid of being small, don't be afraid that there isn't a father figure watching over you. This is all you have, this life on earth. There are no do-overs, no magic incantation you can speak before you go to bed each night that will ensure that you live forever. Make it count. Do good things because they are good - not because you fear a red man with pointy tail that wants to poke you with a pitch fork.
What is more awe inspiring and beautiful? A universe that was snapped into existence using magic, by a being that looks just like us. A universe that is totally empty and pointless, save for a tiny clod of dirt orbiting an insignificant star. Where the only point to life is to somehow make up for the fact that you were born in the first place.
Or is it more amazing to think that we are on the verge of an amazing journey. The universe, older and larger than we could imagine, beckons to us with sights more beautiful than we could imagine. We may be the first intelligent life in the fourteen billion years this reality has existed. Through the amazing laws of physics, we have come into existence - as if the universe is making its first attempt to understand itself.
Look at the hubble deep field images. The kind that have over a hundred trillion stars in a single photo. That represents less than a hundred millionth of the total sky - yet it was all made just for us?
If you look at the correspondence between early christian leaders, they never once speak of Jesus as a man - nor do they once mention any of the events in his life that should have been important to them. Not once is there mention of the places that any faithful christian of the time should surely have been aware of. Instead, they discussed him simply as a deity. In fact, many early christians were disgusted by the idea that their god would visit the vile, dirty world of humans.
Christian leaders in the second century began historicizing Jesus. This gave them power over the other religions of the day - the christian god had come to earth in the form of a MAN. He had walked among the masses, worked his miracles - he wasn't just some phony invisible being in the sky! They outlawed astrology as sin, ensuring that the masses would remain ignorant of the religion's origins.
For the next 1500 years, the church burned any historical documents that they didn't like. They withheld all knowledge, and they systematically rewrote the remaining texts such that history would match up to what they believed. This fact cannot be disputed - the dark ages. Most of them probably meant well - they were simply "correcting" a few "mistakes" about history.
The supposed time of Jesus was incredibly well documented. Any number of hundreds of prominent historians could have recorded his existence. Especially considering his amazing feats. Yet the only known extra-biblical accounts of Jesus amount to about a total of a paragraph, and have blatent literary seams. Purely forgeries, executed by a tyrannical church bent on subjugating an ignorant mass.
I could spend days pointing out the events in Jesus' life that are in fact just astrological phenomena. Just as i could spend days going over how the virgin birth, the sermon on the mount, the crucifixtion, the resurrection three days later - all of those things were attributed to literally dozens of deities prior to the supposed life of Jesus.
I try to respect people's religious beliefs. I understand the draw, why it's so easy to believe. But there are times that you have to question what you're taught. There are times to read the bible critically, and refuse to accept the entire thing as the word of god. The historical inaccuracies, the constant contradictions, the rather blatent use of astrological symbolism (the fish, the lamb, the number 3, the 12 apostles and their amazing similarity to the zodiac, the number 7, the halo, the crown of thorns, the three day resurrection - all astrology that predates christianity by a thousand years).
Believe in god, if that's your wish. But don't follow blindly, and don't let your natural logic be crushed by dogma. The universe is an amazingly vast place, and it was not created specially just for us. Don't be afraid of being small, don't be afraid that there isn't a father figure watching over you. This is all you have, this life on earth. There are no do-overs, no magic incantation you can speak before you go to bed each night that will ensure that you live forever. Make it count. Do good things because they are good - not because you fear a red man with pointy tail that wants to poke you with a pitch fork.
What is more awe inspiring and beautiful? A universe that was snapped into existence using magic, by a being that looks just like us. A universe that is totally empty and pointless, save for a tiny clod of dirt orbiting an insignificant star. Where the only point to life is to somehow make up for the fact that you were born in the first place.
Or is it more amazing to think that we are on the verge of an amazing journey. The universe, older and larger than we could imagine, beckons to us with sights more beautiful than we could imagine. We may be the first intelligent life in the fourteen billion years this reality has existed. Through the amazing laws of physics, we have come into existence - as if the universe is making its first attempt to understand itself.
Look at the hubble deep field images. The kind that have over a hundred trillion stars in a single photo. That represents less than a hundred millionth of the total sky - yet it was all made just for us?
Good point.
This one has over 1,500 GALAXIES and it is from what appears to us on earth as a black point in the sky.
The Hubble Deep Field image covers a speck of the sky only about the width of a dime as it appears from 75 feet away. Though the field is a very small sample of the heavens, it is considered representative of the typical distribution of galaxies in space, because the universe, statistically, looks largely the same in all directions.
Arthur
This one has over 1,500 GALAXIES and it is from what appears to us on earth as a black point in the sky.
The Hubble Deep Field image covers a speck of the sky only about the width of a dime as it appears from 75 feet away. Though the field is a very small sample of the heavens, it is considered representative of the typical distribution of galaxies in space, because the universe, statistically, looks largely the same in all directions.
Arthur
Arthur - i don't need religion, thanks to pictures like that. I can't begin to express how awed and humbled i am by those kinds of images. I'm almost brought to tears when i consider the beauty of the universe, the beauty of the laws that allowed for its creation, and the amazing beauty of life. The problems of our tiny planet, the conflicts, the struggle for power - how petty are our concerns? We're afraid of feeling small, afraid that we're alone, afraid that there's not someone there to hold our hands in all this vastness. But once you get past that fear, the universe opens up to present you with the most thrilling opportunities you could imagine.
QUOTE (Jerry Duke+Oct 25 2005, 01:46 PM)
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (frasersteen+Oct 24 2005, 05:07 PM)
http://www.physorg.com/news7500.html
This is seriously worrying, particularly for US science and development. Religeous fundamentalists are killing innovation. If we are not carefull we are heading for another "dark ages".
Actually it is the evolutionists who are holding back the progress of science. (see Science as Mythology by Daniel Boorstin, Science Digest, December 1984 p. 82). After so many years of humanistic brainwashing imposed by the public school system, it is good to see that a lot of people are still able to think for themselves.
Creation Proof
first of all...HAHAHAHAHA
I can't believe that's the link you gave in order to prove the existence of God!
BTW, I love the mathematical proof
second...HAHAHAHAHAHA
keep the entertainment coming
You'll find that exactly the opposite is true. Countries in which religion plays a prominent role in society have more vices and more crime than countries that remain secular. To me this seems self-evident, but one needs only take a quick look around the world to verify that.
And most of the posts that i see quoting bible passages are proving the point. Most religions claim to be based on love, but this is most certainly not the case. They are based on fear, suspicion, and hatred. Hatred and suspicion of other religions, fear of retribution, fear of change, fear of the unknown. This is not the way to a moral society. It's just Big Brother.
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork. (Psalms 19:1)
This is seriously worrying, particularly for US science and development. Religeous fundamentalists are killing innovation. If we are not carefull we are heading for another "dark ages".
Actually it is the evolutionists who are holding back the progress of science. (see Science as Mythology by Daniel Boorstin, Science Digest, December 1984 p. 82). After so many years of humanistic brainwashing imposed by the public school system, it is good to see that a lot of people are still able to think for themselves.
Creation Proof
first of all...HAHAHAHAHA
I can't believe that's the link you gave in order to prove the existence of God!
BTW, I love the mathematical proof
second...HAHAHAHAHAHA
keep the entertainment coming
QUOTE (Jerry Duke+Oct 25 2005, 03:38 PM)
[QUOTE]
..delete all lame quotes, since everyong has already seen them...
[Creation Proof
"If you were burning, I'd use gasoline to put you out..."
-- Ice-T
..delete all lame quotes, since everyong has already seen them...
[Creation Proof
"If you were burning, I'd use gasoline to put you out..."
-- Ice-T
QUOTE (Justavian+Oct 25 2005, 08:16 PM)
The bible is allegorical. It was not intended to be a historical document. Jesus himself is not a historical figure. He began his "life" as the same kind of deity everyone in that time was familiar with. The astrological sun god. All of the events described in his life are associated with numbers and stories that are derived from astrological phenomena. Astrology was the most powerful force in those times, and the easiest way for christianity to gain new members was to present a religion that was based on what people already knew.
If you look at the correspondence between early christian leaders, they never once speak of Jesus as a man - nor do they once mention any of the events in his life that should have been important to them. Not once is there mention of the places that any faithful christian of the time should surely have been aware of. Instead, they discussed him simply as a deity. In fact, many early christians were disgusted by the idea that their god would visit the vile, dirty world of humans.
Christian leaders in the second century began historicizing Jesus. This gave them power over the other religions of the day - the christian god had come to earth in the form of a MAN. He had walked among the masses, worked his miracles - he wasn't just some phony invisible being in the sky! They outlawed astrology as sin, ensuring that the masses would remain ignorant of the religion's origins.
For the next 1500 years, the church burned any historical documents that they didn't like. They withheld all knowledge, and they systematically rewrote the remaining texts such that history would match up to what they believed. This fact cannot be disputed - the dark ages. Most of them probably meant well - they were simply "correcting" a few "mistakes" about history.
The supposed time of Jesus was incredibly well documented. Any number of hundreds of prominent historians could have recorded his existence. Especially considering his amazing feats. Yet the only known extra-biblical accounts of Jesus amount to about a total of a paragraph, and have blatent literary seams. Purely forgeries, executed by a tyrannical church bent on subjugating an ignorant mass.
I could spend days pointing out the events in Jesus' life that are in fact just astrological phenomena. Just as i could spend days going over how the virgin birth, the sermon on the mount, the crucifixtion, the resurrection three days later - all of those things were attributed to literally dozens of deities prior to the supposed life of Jesus.
I try to respect people's religious beliefs. I understand the draw, why it's so easy to believe. But there are times that you have to question what you're taught. There are times to read the bible critically, and refuse to accept the entire thing as the word of god. The historical inaccuracies, the constant contradictions, the rather blatent use of astrological symbolism (the fish, the lamb, the number 3, the 12 apostles and their amazing similarity to the zodiac, the number 7, the halo, the crown of thorns, the three day resurrection - all astrology that predates christianity by a thousand years).
Believe in god, if that's your wish. But don't follow blindly, and don't let your natural logic be crushed by dogma. The universe is an amazingly vast place, and it was not created specially just for us. Don't be afraid of being small, don't be afraid that there isn't a father figure watching over you. This is all you have, this life on earth. There are no do-overs, no magic incantation you can speak before you go to bed each night that will ensure that you live forever. Make it count. Do good things because they are good - not because you fear a red man with pointy tail that wants to poke you with a pitch fork.
What is more awe inspiring and beautiful? A universe that was snapped into existence using magic, by a being that looks just like us. A universe that is totally empty and pointless, save for a tiny clod of dirt orbiting an insignificant star. Where the only point to life is to somehow make up for the fact that you were born in the first place.
Or is it more amazing to think that we are on the verge of an amazing journey. The universe, older and larger than we could imagine, beckons to us with sights more beautiful than we could imagine. We may be the first intelligent life in the fourteen billion years this reality has existed. Through the amazing laws of physics, we have come into existence - as if the universe is making its first attempt to understand itself.
Look at the hubble deep field images. The kind that have over a hundred trillion stars in a single photo. That represents less than a hundred millionth of the total sky - yet it was all made just for us?
Good work Justavian. Your writing really calls out to those who think their lives would be empty if they stopped believing in their faiths. You do so without sounding hostile and instead try to reassure them that their lives will be enhanced and with more purpose than before. Again, good work.
If you look at the correspondence between early christian leaders, they never once speak of Jesus as a man - nor do they once mention any of the events in his life that should have been important to them. Not once is there mention of the places that any faithful christian of the time should surely have been aware of. Instead, they discussed him simply as a deity. In fact, many early christians were disgusted by the idea that their god would visit the vile, dirty world of humans.
Christian leaders in the second century began historicizing Jesus. This gave them power over the other religions of the day - the christian god had come to earth in the form of a MAN. He had walked among the masses, worked his miracles - he wasn't just some phony invisible being in the sky! They outlawed astrology as sin, ensuring that the masses would remain ignorant of the religion's origins.
For the next 1500 years, the church burned any historical documents that they didn't like. They withheld all knowledge, and they systematically rewrote the remaining texts such that history would match up to what they believed. This fact cannot be disputed - the dark ages. Most of them probably meant well - they were simply "correcting" a few "mistakes" about history.
The supposed time of Jesus was incredibly well documented. Any number of hundreds of prominent historians could have recorded his existence. Especially considering his amazing feats. Yet the only known extra-biblical accounts of Jesus amount to about a total of a paragraph, and have blatent literary seams. Purely forgeries, executed by a tyrannical church bent on subjugating an ignorant mass.
I could spend days pointing out the events in Jesus' life that are in fact just astrological phenomena. Just as i could spend days going over how the virgin birth, the sermon on the mount, the crucifixtion, the resurrection three days later - all of those things were attributed to literally dozens of deities prior to the supposed life of Jesus.
I try to respect people's religious beliefs. I understand the draw, why it's so easy to believe. But there are times that you have to question what you're taught. There are times to read the bible critically, and refuse to accept the entire thing as the word of god. The historical inaccuracies, the constant contradictions, the rather blatent use of astrological symbolism (the fish, the lamb, the number 3, the 12 apostles and their amazing similarity to the zodiac, the number 7, the halo, the crown of thorns, the three day resurrection - all astrology that predates christianity by a thousand years).
Believe in god, if that's your wish. But don't follow blindly, and don't let your natural logic be crushed by dogma. The universe is an amazingly vast place, and it was not created specially just for us. Don't be afraid of being small, don't be afraid that there isn't a father figure watching over you. This is all you have, this life on earth. There are no do-overs, no magic incantation you can speak before you go to bed each night that will ensure that you live forever. Make it count. Do good things because they are good - not because you fear a red man with pointy tail that wants to poke you with a pitch fork.
What is more awe inspiring and beautiful? A universe that was snapped into existence using magic, by a being that looks just like us. A universe that is totally empty and pointless, save for a tiny clod of dirt orbiting an insignificant star. Where the only point to life is to somehow make up for the fact that you were born in the first place.
Or is it more amazing to think that we are on the verge of an amazing journey. The universe, older and larger than we could imagine, beckons to us with sights more beautiful than we could imagine. We may be the first intelligent life in the fourteen billion years this reality has existed. Through the amazing laws of physics, we have come into existence - as if the universe is making its first attempt to understand itself.
Look at the hubble deep field images. The kind that have over a hundred trillion stars in a single photo. That represents less than a hundred millionth of the total sky - yet it was all made just for us?
Good work Justavian. Your writing really calls out to those who think their lives would be empty if they stopped believing in their faiths. You do so without sounding hostile and instead try to reassure them that their lives will be enhanced and with more purpose than before. Again, good work.
QUOTE (Justavian+Oct 25 2005, 10:04 PM)
Arthur - i don't need religion, thanks to pictures like that. I can't begin to express how awed and humbled i am by those kinds of images. I'm almost brought to tears when i consider the beauty of the universe, the beauty of the laws that allowed for its creation, and the amazing beauty of life. The problems of our tiny planet, the conflicts, the struggle for power - how petty are our concerns? We're afraid of feeling small, afraid that we're alone, afraid that there's not someone there to hold our hands in all this vastness. But once you get past that fear, the universe opens up to present you with the most thrilling opportunities you could imagine.
Totally agree,
The posted picture by NO MEANS does the actual picture justice.
You just have to see it in hi-res.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/...leases/1996/01/
Simply awesome.
Then consider the size of a dime at 75 feet, cause that's the SPECK of sky this represents.
Arthur
Totally agree,
The posted picture by NO MEANS does the actual picture justice.
You just have to see it in hi-res.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/...leases/1996/01/
Simply awesome.
Then consider the size of a dime at 75 feet, cause that's the SPECK of sky this represents.
Arthur
Ah, the classic debate between two incorrect theories.
Since when are there only TWO possible outcomes to a problem? Why does it have to be creationism OR the theory of evolution? Theories can be wrong, and Darwin's theory definitely is, but does that mean that some sun-worshipping cult is therefore right?
What if... BOTH ARE WRONG?
Sheesh, you'd think we're in the Dark Ages!
Since when are there only TWO possible outcomes to a problem? Why does it have to be creationism OR the theory of evolution? Theories can be wrong, and Darwin's theory definitely is, but does that mean that some sun-worshipping cult is therefore right?
What if... BOTH ARE WRONG?
Sheesh, you'd think we're in the Dark Ages!
Piper, enlighten us, what part of the Theory of Evolution is wrong?
Arthur
Arthur
I think that we are finally starting to emerge from the outlook that we need someone above us. If we went back in time 4000 years with our current technology we could seem as gods to the people back then. Humans always try to understand the whole picture. Whether it is the sociological behaviors of a culture or the theory of everything we as humans have a desire to quantify everything. Primitive man did not have the ability or means to understand the world around him so in order to have some kind of grip of the world around him he believed in a almighty being which had the power to make it rain and to make the crops grow. I think that everything is understandable and I have faith in science that given enough time (if we don't kill ourselves) we will keep on going and learning and be able to do everything that people currently think as "powers of god."
I have high hopes and goals for humanity.
Whenever people start debating religion versus God I always bring up the point saying "when was the last terrorist claiming that they were doing the work of Hawking's instead of Allah or God? Can anyone say 'Crusades'?"
I have high hopes and goals for humanity.
Whenever people start debating religion versus God I always bring up the point saying "when was the last terrorist claiming that they were doing the work of Hawking's instead of Allah or God? Can anyone say 'Crusades'?"
QUOTE
You know its this kind of anti-religious crap that really frucks up the world. You bitch about religious extremism but you cant see your own anti-religious extremism.
You'll find that exactly the opposite is true. Countries in which religion plays a prominent role in society have more vices and more crime than countries that remain secular. To me this seems self-evident, but one needs only take a quick look around the world to verify that.
And most of the posts that i see quoting bible passages are proving the point. Most religions claim to be based on love, but this is most certainly not the case. They are based on fear, suspicion, and hatred. Hatred and suspicion of other religions, fear of retribution, fear of change, fear of the unknown. This is not the way to a moral society. It's just Big Brother.
QUOTE (frasersteen+Oct 24 2005, 05:07 PM)
http://www.physorg.com/news7500.html
This is seriously worrying, particularly for US science and development. Religeous fundamentalists are killing innovation. If we are not carefull we are heading for another "dark ages".
You are quite correct. Legislators are cavig in to the fundumantalists.
This is seriously worrying, particularly for US science and development. Religeous fundamentalists are killing innovation. If we are not carefull we are heading for another "dark ages".
You are quite correct. Legislators are cavig in to the fundumantalists.
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork. (Psalms 19:1)
QUOTE (Justavian+Oct 26 2005, 12:14 PM)
... Most religions claim to be based on love, but this is most certainly not the case. ...
Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ. (II Corinthians 2:14-17)
Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ. (II Corinthians 2:14-17)
QUOTE (Garrison+Oct 26 2005, 05:58 AM)
...
Whenever people start debating religion versus God I always bring up the point saying "when was the last terrorist claiming that they were doing the work of Hawking's instead of Allah or God? Can anyone say 'Crusades'?"
Can anyone say "eugenics"?
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Wow, that IS good news! I hear he makes a delicious pound cake.
Oh wait, ...
I thought we were talking about the mexican immigrant. Sorry for the confusion.
We're talking about the Lord Jesus Christ.
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. (John 17:1-26)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your life over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
Creation Proof
How to be Saved
.
Whenever people start debating religion versus God I always bring up the point saying "when was the last terrorist claiming that they were doing the work of Hawking's instead of Allah or God? Can anyone say 'Crusades'?"
Can anyone say "eugenics"?
QUOTE (The Science of Life+ H. G. Wells, George Philip Wells and Sir Julian S. Huxley, 1931)
p. 74: "Those of Nazi Germany ... I may of course be urged that it is in its immediate effect eugenic; and there will be many to uphold the value of the eugenic measures recently adopted in Germany under the stimulus of National-Socialist ideas and emotions, even if some of them be crude and unscientific."
pp. 286-287 "Russian communism ... the Nazi movement ... are the first gropings of the human mind after a social embodiment of the religious impulse ... today's dawn of social religion."
pp. 286-287 "Russian communism ... the Nazi movement ... are the first gropings of the human mind after a social embodiment of the religious impulse ... today's dawn of social religion."
QUOTE (Jerry Duke+Oct 26 2005, 07:26 PM)
Can anyone say "eugenics"?"
Y'know, we've been having arguments over this in the Evolution forum. Don't sink to that, you put your faith to shame.
Y'know, we've been having arguments over this in the Evolution forum. Don't sink to that, you put your faith to shame.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (Justavian+Oct 25 2005, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE
Good news! Jesus will soon be here!
Wow, that IS good news! I hear he makes a delicious pound cake.
Oh wait, ...
I thought we were talking about the mexican immigrant. Sorry for the confusion.
We're talking about the Lord Jesus Christ.
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. (John 17:1-26)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your life over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
Creation Proof
How to be Saved
.
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high,
saying, 'Oh, Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou
mayest blow thy enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord
did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and
carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and
fruit bats, and large --"
saying, 'Oh, Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou
mayest blow thy enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord
did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and
carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and
fruit bats, and large --"
QUOTE (Guest+Oct 26 2005, 07:58 PM)
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high,
saying, 'Oh, Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou
mayest blow thy enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord
did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and
carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and
fruit bats, and large --"
One, two, five!! (three milord) THREE!!
saying, 'Oh, Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou
mayest blow thy enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord
did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and
carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and
fruit bats, and large --"
One, two, five!! (three milord) THREE!!
QUOTE (Kaeroll+Oct 26 2005, 07:46 PM)
QUOTE (Jerry Duke+Oct 26 2005, 07:26 PM)
Can anyone say "eugenics"?"
Y'know, we've been having arguments over this in the Evolution forum. Don't sink to that, you put your faith to shame.
My faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of the truth.
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (Romans 10:8-11)
Good luck trying to convince some of the "thumpers" here. I wanna be friendly and understanding (despite my extensive knowledge of the origins of their religion), but it's hard when they keep mindlessly quoting.
Good luck trying to convince some of the "thumpers" here. I wanna be friendly and understanding (despite my extensive knowledge of the origins of their religion), but it's hard when they keep mindlessly quoting.
If this is true what is the next worst nation?
Mexico and brazil both have a higher percentage of christians. Mexico is apparently 99% christian.
I did a google search for demographics of the various religions, and it says that the UK is actually more christian than the US. I think we just have more fundies here in the US.
Y'know, we've been having arguments over this in the Evolution forum. Don't sink to that, you put your faith to shame.
My faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of the truth.
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (Romans 10:8-11)
I'm sure the late J.C. wouldn't approve of your use of 'guilt-by-association' tactics to discredit your fellow man any more than he would of the misuse of his initials in this here post.
I am ashamed of your so-called 'truth'.
I am ashamed of your so-called 'truth'.
QUOTE (Anon.+Oct 24 2005, 07:51 PM)
I thought the idea was to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of religeous fanatics!
You failed.
We have God - the ultimate weapon of mass-destruction!
Mwa ha ha ha ha ha
SoLoved
You failed.
We have God - the ultimate weapon of mass-destruction!
Mwa ha ha ha ha haSoLoved
MY GOD HAS GOT BIGGER WMDs THAN YOUR PUNY GOD.
Arthur
Arthur
And the Lord said, "See, I am giving you cow dung instead of human waste, and you shall prepare your bread with it."
-Ezekiel 4:14
And whoever utters the name of the lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him...
-Leveticus 23:16
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
-Exodus 21:15
And he that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
-Exodus 21:17
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the Elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place: And they shall say unto the Elders of his city, This our son is stubborn, and rebellious, he will not obey our voice: he is a glutton and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
-Deuteronomy 21:18-21
When you advance on a city to attack it, make an offer of peace. … If it does not make peace with you but offers battle, you shall besiege it, and Yahweh your God will deliver it into your hands. You shall put all its males to the sword, but you may take the women, the dependants, and the cattle for yourselves, and plunder everything else in the city. You may enjoy the use of the spoil of your enemies which Yahweh your God gives you. That is what you shall do to cities at a great distance, as opposed to those which belong to nations near at hand. In the cities of these nations whose land Yahweh your God is giving you as a patrimony, you shall not leave any creature alive. You shall annihilate them - Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites - as Yahweh your God commanded you, so that they may not teach you to imitate all the abominable things that they have done for their gods and so cause you to sin against Yahweh your God.
-Deuteronomy 20:11-18
Weeeeeee...... anyone else have any favorites?
-Ezekiel 4:14
And whoever utters the name of the lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him...
-Leveticus 23:16
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
-Exodus 21:15
And he that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
-Exodus 21:17
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the Elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place: And they shall say unto the Elders of his city, This our son is stubborn, and rebellious, he will not obey our voice: he is a glutton and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
-Deuteronomy 21:18-21
When you advance on a city to attack it, make an offer of peace. … If it does not make peace with you but offers battle, you shall besiege it, and Yahweh your God will deliver it into your hands. You shall put all its males to the sword, but you may take the women, the dependants, and the cattle for yourselves, and plunder everything else in the city. You may enjoy the use of the spoil of your enemies which Yahweh your God gives you. That is what you shall do to cities at a great distance, as opposed to those which belong to nations near at hand. In the cities of these nations whose land Yahweh your God is giving you as a patrimony, you shall not leave any creature alive. You shall annihilate them - Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites - as Yahweh your God commanded you, so that they may not teach you to imitate all the abominable things that they have done for their gods and so cause you to sin against Yahweh your God.
-Deuteronomy 20:11-18
Weeeeeee...... anyone else have any favorites?
Little Johnny and his two sisters are sitting down to Christmas dinner.
Little Annie says:
Pass me the God damn peas.
Her mother slaps her and sends her to her room.
Little Betty, watches her sister leave and then says:
Please pass me the God damn peas.
Her mother slaps her and sends her to her room as well.
His mother turns to Johnny and says,
"Well, what about you?"
And Johnny says
I sure don't want no God damn peas.
Arthur
Little Annie says:
Pass me the God damn peas.
Her mother slaps her and sends her to her room.
Little Betty, watches her sister leave and then says:
Please pass me the God damn peas.
Her mother slaps her and sends her to her room as well.
His mother turns to Johnny and says,
"Well, what about you?"
And Johnny says
I sure don't want no God damn peas.
Arthur
It seems to me (a NZer) that America has the highest % of people believing in god, creationism etc. than any other nation those majority of population is white. If this is true what is the next worst (or best if you think god is good) nation?
Also quoting the bible in this forum is a complete waste of time. Its a science forum!
Also quoting the bible in this forum is a complete waste of time. Its a science forum!
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Also quoting the bible in this forum is a complete waste of time. Its a science forum!
Good luck trying to convince some of the "thumpers" here. I wanna be friendly and understanding (despite my extensive knowledge of the origins of their religion), but it's hard when they keep mindlessly quoting.
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Good luck trying to convince some of the "thumpers" here. I wanna be friendly and understanding (despite my extensive knowledge of the origins of their religion), but it's hard when they keep mindlessly quoting.
If this is true what is the next worst nation?
Mexico and brazil both have a higher percentage of christians. Mexico is apparently 99% christian.
I did a google search for demographics of the various religions, and it says that the UK is actually more christian than the US. I think we just have more fundies here in the US.
it is just CBS news. I mean American news agencies like FOX, and CNN are a joke; even the Americans dont pay attention to them. The less subtle ones like CBS and ABC and etc hold some valid points but then you have to realize this is a closed study with limited number of participants and we dont know if the results are worthy of actual publish as there may be problems in selection (for instance were the subjects chosen from a religious area or not) and many other factors. I think the majority view is that Evolution is indeed a true science.
QUOTE (Kaeroll+Oct 25 2005, 09:15 AM)
At least we've got proof for our brand of extremism.
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Earthbased man is a modified product, which had been modified by many offworld forces.
I believe this theory should be taught in classrooms alongside ID. There are holes in evolution - where did we come from? - which it answers. And I've got loads of books to support it ... even the old XCom game manual supports it! It must be true! Teach the controversy
Right on.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
The thing i never understood about this satan character - why is it that god allows him so much power? Satan seems to have an equal footing, as far as power over the earth goes. So does that mean Satan is actually a god as well? I understand that god wants us all to have free will or something - but why doesn't he just snap his fingers and have Satan stripped of all influence over the earth? And is satan really the same guy as santa?
The thing i never understood about this satan character - why is it that god allows him so much power? Satan seems to have an equal footing, as far as power over the earth goes. So does that mean Satan is actually a god as well? I understand that god wants us all to have free will or something - but why doesn't he just snap his fingers and have Satan stripped of all influence over the earth? And is satan really the same guy as santa?
yes satan is a god
remember satan was the first to sin, he told a lie
god lets him disrupt the world for a time to prove that
life with sin nd satans thoughts cannot prevail
if he just killed him the issues would not have been resolved
and other people would want to know what god is hiding
but god will destroy satan after he is abyssed for 1000 years as foretold
but thats getting into the itty gritty
as to evolution,
if mutation in the genes is random
and life is something so complicated, and a few wrong genes could mean
terminal illness, it would seem that the chance of a
negative mutation is much much higher than the chance of
a positive mutation occuring, therefore wiping out species,
not creating new ones
I don't think you quite understand some of the basics of evolution. Here is part of the talk origins FAQ which deals with mutations. Hopefully that will satisfy your objections.
There is really no debate about whether or not evolution happens. There is a debate in the scientific community about what the primary mechanism is, and then there's the debate in the non-scientific community about whether evolution creates new "kinds" of organisms. You cannot dispute that evolution occurs.
I'm not sure anyone is claiming his creations are perfect. However, he / she / it IS supposed to be perfect. Though a perfect being should have no gradients - no needs or desires. So i don't quite get why he needs to entertain himself by playing with ant-farm earth.
I'm not sure anyone is claiming his creations are perfect. However, he / she / it IS supposed to be perfect. Though a perfect being should have no gradients - no needs or desires. So i don't quite get why he needs to entertain himself by playing with ant-farm earth.
doesn't he know everything?
He knows all - past, present, and future. Indeed, he knew the instant the universe was created that i would be a better person than most of his fan, despite the fact that i'm a radical atheist. He's always known exactly what it would take to make me a believer - he gave me the logical mind that will ensure i'll be damned. He even gave me the bible to read, such that i would be even more convinced of the ridiculousness of xian mythology. But that's ok by me. A god like that is not worth worshipping.
Besides, you shouldn't question his actions - he's got a plan for everyone, and anything you don't understand should be chalked up to "god works in mysterious ways." Which, incidentally, is why you shouldn't pray. He / she / it already knows what's best for you, and praying will only make him mad - since you're asking him for something outside of the path he's already chosen for you.
Interestingly enough, the original "elohim" in the old testament is plural - and is incorrectly translated to "GOD" rather than "GODS". Judaism began as a polytheistic religion, and was later purposely mistranslated to reflect the trend of monotheism.
So an example of a more honest translation is "And the GODS said, Let us make adam in our image".
That's just one example of dozens of fraudulent translations of words and phrases from the original texts that are perpetuated to discount the polytheistic views. "Corrections" like that (a form of "pious fraud") are even more rampant in xian translations. Of course, there were literally hundreds of gospels and epistles being debated in the early years of christianity - and many of those who "discovered" them admitted they were forgeries. So the early xian leaders selected those that seemed least ridiculous, and murdered anyone who claimed them to be fiction.
But i'm digressing, as the topic at hand is not "the jesus myth".
I think young earth creationists contend that the earth is somewhere between 6k and 10k years old, so i think he's safe!
However, dendrochronology (dating using yearly tree ring growth patterns) can be used to track history back at least 12k years - but the gods may have simply snapped those into existence to test our faith, along with forging the evidence for other dating methods.
Remember, god works in mysterious ways. He knows what's best, and evolution is a tool of the devil.
What the heck do mean, impossible?
We ALL went from a single cell to a newborn babe - in just nine months.
What more freekin proof do you need?
You are right they are haploid germ cells that combine to produce a diploid zygote which then becomes a mature human by first becoming a morula, a blastula, and then a gastrula and then into a primitive tissue and so forth. Mother eats food, and food is broken down to amino acids, and other macromolecules which are then used in the body
I think what he meant was that evolution shouldn't be interpreted as strange since we witness life forms becoming mature in such short durations as nine months. I am behind the evolutionary idea and I think it is sad that so many in US would deny it however I very much doubt the validity and accuracy of the poll in the first place.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Jerry, how come you are a Restricted User? - never seen this before. Normally ppl are listed as members.
Regarding Ev, yeah, it could be the truth. Or it might not be. I was not around millions of years ago, so I cannot say.
Logically, it is reasonable that it could happen.
It is also logical for me that ID could also have occured.
Given that I cannot totally dis-prove ID, I go with it.
Nothing to really argue about I don't think...
I believe this theory should be taught in classrooms alongside ID. There are holes in evolution - where did we come from? - which it answers. And I've got loads of books to support it ... even the old XCom game manual supports it! It must be true! Teach the controversy
Right on.
The late-great sci-fi writer Douglas Adams wrote that all religions probably started from a sense of wonder about the world, a bit like a newly-conscious puddle of water thinking, "Hey, this hole in the ground fits me so perfectly, it must have been created especially for me."
Intelligent Design only a step away from this. Let us suppose that, over time, our puddle learns some more about his environment, but he still cannot explain meteorology and the different phases of matter. So he says, "Ah, but all that science stuff still can't explain why water falls from the sky. And those snowflake thingys look much too complicated to occur naturally. Logically, my hole and I must have been created by an intelligent entity."
Theology? Sure. Religious conjecture? No problem. But this is hardly science!
Intelligent Design only a step away from this. Let us suppose that, over time, our puddle learns some more about his environment, but he still cannot explain meteorology and the different phases of matter. So he says, "Ah, but all that science stuff still can't explain why water falls from the sky. And those snowflake thingys look much too complicated to occur naturally. Logically, my hole and I must have been created by an intelligent entity."
Theology? Sure. Religious conjecture? No problem. But this is hardly science!
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (Kaeroll+Oct 26 2005, 08:23 PM)
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I am ashamed of your so-called 'truth'.
Truth is truth. If truth were relative, the universe would be irrational and science would be impossible.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:18-32)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your life over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
Creation Proof
How to be Saved
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I am ashamed of your so-called 'truth'.
Truth is truth. If truth were relative, the universe would be irrational and science would be impossible.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:18-32)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your life over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
Creation Proof
How to be Saved
.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (adoucette+Oct 26 2005, 08:39 PM)
MY GOD HAS GOT BIGGER WMDs THAN YOUR PUNY GOD.
Arthur
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. (I John 4:1-4)
The Power of the Blood of Jesus Christ
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (I John 1:6-10)
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. (Hebrews 10:19-22)
The power of Satan
(Genesis 3:13) he is the serpent with power to beguile
(Job 1:12-19) power to murder, to destroy with fire and wind, and to steal
(John 8:44) he is the father of lies and liars
(John 14:30) he is the prince of this world
(Acts 26:18) power to lead people into sin
(II Corinthians 4:4) he is the god of this world with power to blind the minds of human beings
(Ephesians 2:2) he is the prince of the power of the air who inspires human disobedience
(Ephesians 6:12) power over wickedness in high places
(Colossians 1:13) power of darkness
(II Thessalonians 2:7-12) power to promote iniquity, lying wonders and deceivableness, and to lead people into delusions, lies and damnation
(Hebrews 2:14-15) power of death, power to cause fear of death and to lead people into bondage
(I Peter 5:8-9) power to devour
(Revelation 13:2) he is the dragon, has a seat of power and has great authority over all sinful human beings
(Revelation 13:4-5) power to receive worship from mankind and to speak great things and blasphemies
(Revelation 13:7-8) power to make war with the saints, power over all kindreds, and tongues and nations, and power to make all unsaved people worship the beast
(Revelation 13:11-17) power to make beasts (as evil governments), do great wonders, make fire come down from heaven, deceive men, give life to the image of the beast, kill all who would not worship the image, force mankind to receive the beast's mark, and control all buying and selling throughout the world
(Revelation 17:12-13) power to make evil kings and strength to rule the world through his beasts
(Revelation 20:1-3) less power than one angel
(Revelation 20:10) not enough power to ever escape from hell
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (Romans 8:28)
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? (II Peter 3:9-12)
You need to resist Satan and accept Jesus Christ today (before it's too late) as in this simple prayer, "Lord Jesus, forgive me for my sins and save me."
Arthur
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. (I John 4:1-4)
The Power of the Blood of Jesus Christ
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (I John 1:6-10)
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. (Hebrews 10:19-22)
The power of Satan
(Genesis 3:13) he is the serpent with power to beguile
(Job 1:12-19) power to murder, to destroy with fire and wind, and to steal
(John 8:44) he is the father of lies and liars
(John 14:30) he is the prince of this world
(Acts 26:18) power to lead people into sin
(II Corinthians 4:4) he is the god of this world with power to blind the minds of human beings
(Ephesians 2:2) he is the prince of the power of the air who inspires human disobedience
(Ephesians 6:12) power over wickedness in high places
(Colossians 1:13) power of darkness
(II Thessalonians 2:7-12) power to promote iniquity, lying wonders and deceivableness, and to lead people into delusions, lies and damnation
(Hebrews 2:14-15) power of death, power to cause fear of death and to lead people into bondage
(I Peter 5:8-9) power to devour
(Revelation 13:2) he is the dragon, has a seat of power and has great authority over all sinful human beings
(Revelation 13:4-5) power to receive worship from mankind and to speak great things and blasphemies
(Revelation 13:7-8) power to make war with the saints, power over all kindreds, and tongues and nations, and power to make all unsaved people worship the beast
(Revelation 13:11-17) power to make beasts (as evil governments), do great wonders, make fire come down from heaven, deceive men, give life to the image of the beast, kill all who would not worship the image, force mankind to receive the beast's mark, and control all buying and selling throughout the world
(Revelation 17:12-13) power to make evil kings and strength to rule the world through his beasts
(Revelation 20:1-3) less power than one angel
(Revelation 20:10) not enough power to ever escape from hell
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (Romans 8:28)
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? (II Peter 3:9-12)
You need to resist Satan and accept Jesus Christ today (before it's too late) as in this simple prayer, "Lord Jesus, forgive me for my sins and save me."
QUOTE (ImpudentYoungFool+Oct 27 2005, 11:16 AM)
The late-great sci-fi ...
When I found out that Jesus and Heaven are real, I kind of lost my taste for science fiction. I much prefer reality.
When I found out that Jesus and Heaven are real, I kind of lost my taste for science fiction. I much prefer reality.
I'm beginning to think that Jerry Duke is nothing more than a splog... He just seems to post the same pic of the device used to murder the mythological figure that he depends on and repeatedly spew the same crap about "how to be saved". If he isn't a bot, I wonder if he even notices Jesus just standing there, ashamedly shaking his head at JD's pathetic attempts to save our souls.
Justavian, here are some of my favorite verses:
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. (feel God's love now, bitch?)
Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (Tell my boss I won't be in Sunday. Or is that Saturday? Can it be both?)
Lev 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. (I always wanted an excuse to kill Andrew Dice Clay)
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. (THAT sounds fair! A "just" and "fair" God torturing children for sh*t they never did!)
Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Wow, Allah at least requires martyrdom before you get all the virgins you can handle!)
Deut 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days (Punishment for rape: she has to marry her rapist - wait, shouldn't the RAPIST be punished, or does God really know how bad marriage can be?)
Judges 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. (Some all powerful God - he can't even overcome iron chariots!)
Genesis 32:24-30 (In this story, God couldn't even beat Jacob in a fair wrestling match, so God cheated! The bible is obviously the inspiration for many a WWE title match)
Man, there's so much crap in that leather-bound tome - how do you choose the most pathetic or cruel story???
Justavian, here are some of my favorite verses:
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. (feel God's love now, bitch?)
Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (Tell my boss I won't be in Sunday. Or is that Saturday? Can it be both?)
Lev 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. (I always wanted an excuse to kill Andrew Dice Clay)
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. (THAT sounds fair! A "just" and "fair" God torturing children for sh*t they never did!)
Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Wow, Allah at least requires martyrdom before you get all the virgins you can handle!)
Deut 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days (Punishment for rape: she has to marry her rapist - wait, shouldn't the RAPIST be punished, or does God really know how bad marriage can be?)
Judges 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. (Some all powerful God - he can't even overcome iron chariots!)
Genesis 32:24-30 (In this story, God couldn't even beat Jacob in a fair wrestling match, so God cheated! The bible is obviously the inspiration for many a WWE title match)
Man, there's so much crap in that leather-bound tome - how do you choose the most pathetic or cruel story???
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The power of Satan
(Genesis 3:13) he is the serpent with power to beguile...
(Genesis 3:13) he is the serpent with power to beguile...
The thing i never understood about this satan character - why is it that god allows him so much power? Satan seems to have an equal footing, as far as power over the earth goes. So does that mean Satan is actually a god as well? I understand that god wants us all to have free will or something - but why doesn't he just snap his fingers and have Satan stripped of all influence over the earth? And is satan really the same guy as santa?
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The power of Satan
(Genesis 3:13) he is the serpent with power to beguile...
(Genesis 3:13) he is the serpent with power to beguile...
The thing i never understood about this satan character - why is it that god allows him so much power? Satan seems to have an equal footing, as far as power over the earth goes. So does that mean Satan is actually a god as well? I understand that god wants us all to have free will or something - but why doesn't he just snap his fingers and have Satan stripped of all influence over the earth? And is satan really the same guy as santa?
yes satan is a god
remember satan was the first to sin, he told a lie
god lets him disrupt the world for a time to prove that
life with sin nd satans thoughts cannot prevail
if he just killed him the issues would not have been resolved
and other people would want to know what god is hiding
but god will destroy satan after he is abyssed for 1000 years as foretold
but thats getting into the itty gritty
as to evolution,
if mutation in the genes is random
and life is something so complicated, and a few wrong genes could mean
terminal illness, it would seem that the chance of a
negative mutation is much much higher than the chance of
a positive mutation occuring, therefore wiping out species,
not creating new ones
Isn't is amusing that so many of our openly-religious non-scientists friends out there want to uphold ID as "scientific proof" of our creation, while at the same time claiming that their faith has nothing to do with their viewpoint?! More laughable still are those that punctuate these arguments with "give thanks" and "rejoice".. Nothing at all wrong with believing in a god/gods. But don't you guys realise that all you achieve is the instant destruction of their own credibility?
Let ID win in Dover and the Supreme Court if it goes that far. It will only serve to make an international mockery of US law for a few years. Science will prevail in the end.
Let ID win in Dover and the Supreme Court if it goes that far. It will only serve to make an international mockery of US law for a few years. Science will prevail in the end.
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if mutation in the genes is random
and life is something so complicated, and a few wrong genes could mean...
and life is something so complicated, and a few wrong genes could mean...
I don't think you quite understand some of the basics of evolution. Here is part of the talk origins FAQ which deals with mutations. Hopefully that will satisfy your objections.
There is really no debate about whether or not evolution happens. There is a debate in the scientific community about what the primary mechanism is, and then there's the debate in the non-scientific community about whether evolution creates new "kinds" of organisms. You cannot dispute that evolution occurs.
And if it takes a god to create a new species then shouldn't we start with that long series of Kasakstan ?herders? who bred the apple (presumeably from a rosebud)? Should we be worshiping the brilliant Feng Li for becoming so consumed with developing new friut species through grafting and cross-pollination experiments he had to give up his diplomatic career 7,000 years ago in China?
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/maia/history.html
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/maia/history.html
I propose that those who believe in God (or Gods, as it may be), especially any God that is supposed to be "perfect", should find evolution an acceptable theory for the origins of life. Only an approximate 1% of all species that have ever existed survive to this day. If God created each one specifically, and they should have been created to suit their environment perfectly, then how come so few have survived? Perhaps his creations were not so perfect after all. Maybe he needed lots of practice, or more likely, perhaps he created the cosmos to unfold as we see it, knowing (doesn't he know everything?) that we would be one of billions upon billions of fascinating happenstances of this incredible universe that we now live in.
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Perhaps his creations were not so perfect after all.
I'm not sure anyone is claiming his creations are perfect. However, he / she / it IS supposed to be perfect. Though a perfect being should have no gradients - no needs or desires. So i don't quite get why he needs to entertain himself by playing with ant-farm earth.
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I'm not sure anyone is claiming his creations are perfect. However, he / she / it IS supposed to be perfect. Though a perfect being should have no gradients - no needs or desires. So i don't quite get why he needs to entertain himself by playing with ant-farm earth.
doesn't he know everything?
He knows all - past, present, and future. Indeed, he knew the instant the universe was created that i would be a better person than most of his fan, despite the fact that i'm a radical atheist. He's always known exactly what it would take to make me a believer - he gave me the logical mind that will ensure i'll be damned. He even gave me the bible to read, such that i would be even more convinced of the ridiculousness of xian mythology. But that's ok by me. A god like that is not worth worshipping.
Besides, you shouldn't question his actions - he's got a plan for everyone, and anything you don't understand should be chalked up to "god works in mysterious ways." Which, incidentally, is why you shouldn't pray. He / she / it already knows what's best for you, and praying will only make him mad - since you're asking him for something outside of the path he's already chosen for you.
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I propose that those who believe in God (or Gods, as it may be)
Interestingly enough, the original "elohim" in the old testament is plural - and is incorrectly translated to "GOD" rather than "GODS". Judaism began as a polytheistic religion, and was later purposely mistranslated to reflect the trend of monotheism.
So an example of a more honest translation is "And the GODS said, Let us make adam in our image".
That's just one example of dozens of fraudulent translations of words and phrases from the original texts that are perpetuated to discount the polytheistic views. "Corrections" like that (a form of "pious fraud") are even more rampant in xian translations. Of course, there were literally hundreds of gospels and epistles being debated in the early years of christianity - and many of those who "discovered" them admitted they were forgeries. So the early xian leaders selected those that seemed least ridiculous, and murdered anyone who claimed them to be fiction.
But i'm digressing, as the topic at hand is not "the jesus myth".
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And if it takes a god to create a new species then shouldn't we start with that long series of Kasakstan ?herders? who bred the apple (presumeably from a rosebud)? Should we be worshiping the brilliant Feng Li for becoming so consumed with developing new friut species through grafting and cross-pollination experiments he had to give up his diplomatic career 7,000 years ago in China?
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/maia/history.html
Well if it was 7,000 years ago, then Feng Li, according to the Creationists over in the Creation vs Evolution forum, couldn't possibly exist, since the world was yet to be created.
Must be a typo.
Arthur
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/maia/history.html
Well if it was 7,000 years ago, then Feng Li, according to the Creationists over in the Creation vs Evolution forum, couldn't possibly exist, since the world was yet to be created.
Must be a typo.
Arthur
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Well if it was 7,000 years ago, then Feng Li, according to the Creationists over in the Creation vs Evolution forum, couldn't possibly exist, since the world was yet to be created.
I think young earth creationists contend that the earth is somewhere between 6k and 10k years old, so i think he's safe!
However, dendrochronology (dating using yearly tree ring growth patterns) can be used to track history back at least 12k years - but the gods may have simply snapped those into existence to test our faith, along with forging the evidence for other dating methods.
Remember, god works in mysterious ways. He knows what's best, and evolution is a tool of the devil.
They (creationists over in the E/C threads) keep saying 6,500 years old.
Like its the gospel.
Arthur
Like its the gospel.
Arthur
51 percent of those asked believe God created humans in their present form
Whats wrong with that?
Evolution claims man evolved from single cell life at some time in earths past, to man as he has been for the last so many thousand years.
Each claim seems equally impossible to prove. Let everyone have their opinions. It gives people something to argue about to show how smart we think we are.
Whats wrong with that?
Evolution claims man evolved from single cell life at some time in earths past, to man as he has been for the last so many thousand years.
Each claim seems equally impossible to prove. Let everyone have their opinions. It gives people something to argue about to show how smart we think we are.
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Each claim seems equally impossible to prove.
What the heck do mean, impossible?
We ALL went from a single cell to a newborn babe - in just nine months.
What more freekin proof do you need?
I can't believe I just read that somebody actually said we went from one cell to a baby in nine months. I don't think a sperm or an egg only consists of one cell.
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I don't think a sperm or an egg only consists of one cell.
You are right they are haploid germ cells that combine to produce a diploid zygote which then becomes a mature human by first becoming a morula, a blastula, and then a gastrula and then into a primitive tissue and so forth. Mother eats food, and food is broken down to amino acids, and other macromolecules which are then used in the body
I think what he meant was that evolution shouldn't be interpreted as strange since we witness life forms becoming mature in such short durations as nine months. I am behind the evolutionary idea and I think it is sad that so many in US would deny it however I very much doubt the validity and accuracy of the poll in the first place.
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.QUOTE (Justavian+Oct 28 2005, 04:53 AM)
... He's always known exactly what it would take to make me a believer ...
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your life over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
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And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)
How to become a Christian:
• Admit that you are a sinner. You're not alone - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
• Believe in Jesus. The Bible says, "... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:31)
• Commit your life to Christ. If you are ready to turn your life over to Jesus, pray a prayer like this: Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner. I know there is nothing I can do to get rid of my sin. Forgive me and take away my sin. Come into my life and and make me a brand-new person. Help me to follow You and learn more about You. I give my life to You. Amen.
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
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If such as Jerry Duke Lewis, heretofore mentioned above, were truly "created" in the image of the Great Puppeteer, then the one thing we know for certain is that the latter must also suffer from severe transient lapses of Intelligence Quotient... One is tempted to implore "God help us" in the face of such myopic literal fundamentalism that cannot possibly begin to accept empirical evidence, and pertinently, not just mere smidgins of it, but sufficient to be called overwhelming if one was not so paradigmatically entrenched that one cannot but spend the slightest moment on serious study of it. After all, such investment of energy must then be regarded as not just totally wasteful and misdirected, but in fact close to blasphemy.
It reminds of the nail-chewing fanaticism displayed by the frothing literalists of the Grand Inquisition, to wit, the accusations of Bellarmino against Galileo Galilei:
"To affirm that the Sun ... is at the centre of the universe and only rotates on its axis without going from east to west, is a very dangerous attitude and one calculated not only to arouse all Scholastic philosophers and theologians but also to injure our holy faith by contradicting the Scriptures"
It reminds of the nail-chewing fanaticism displayed by the frothing literalists of the Grand Inquisition, to wit, the accusations of Bellarmino against Galileo Galilei:
"To affirm that the Sun ... is at the centre of the universe and only rotates on its axis without going from east to west, is a very dangerous attitude and one calculated not only to arouse all Scholastic philosophers and theologians but also to injure our holy faith by contradicting the Scriptures"
And further:
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." -- Cardinal Bellarmino 1615, during the trial of Galileo. (Oh yeah - fortunately anatomical studies, obstetrics and physiology have progressed somewhat since)
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of faith." -- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei. (Believe it or not, there are still true geocentrists today who will defend their hallucination to the bitterest of ends)
At least there has been some intellectual-spiritual evolution since those darkest of deluded times, although gauging from some of the writings here and their proponents, there appear to be some who would be quite at home in them... Believe, that the equivalent of the Salem Witch Trials is being acted out in many parts of the world still at this very moment.
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." -- Cardinal Bellarmino 1615, during the trial of Galileo. (Oh yeah - fortunately anatomical studies, obstetrics and physiology have progressed somewhat since)
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of faith." -- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei. (Believe it or not, there are still true geocentrists today who will defend their hallucination to the bitterest of ends)
At least there has been some intellectual-spiritual evolution since those darkest of deluded times, although gauging from some of the writings here and their proponents, there appear to be some who would be quite at home in them... Believe, that the equivalent of the Salem Witch Trials is being acted out in many parts of the world still at this very moment.
The problem of why religion and its beliefs controls society is published in my recent book ORIGIN OF ENGLISH GENIUS, 2005, AuthorHouse Publishers. In short, a hereditary anomaly occurred about 200,000 years ago within Homo hamitus (using Biblical terminology GENESIS 9 & 10). The Bible names these people Homo hamitus canaanitus. The Canaanites represent the people known as the children of Eve. They were farmers who originated from Sunda and possess elongated skulls due to hereditary closure of the sagittal suture line of the skull.
Hybridization between the Canaanites and normal round head people created a skull outline that narrows the back of the brain and enlarges the front of the brain. We call these people "highbrows" because the enlargement of the front of the brain increases their ability to memorize. Narrowing of the back of the brain diminishes their ability to perform advanced mathematics. These people are superb athletes and beautiful people. However, they lack the ability to understand basic scientific reasoning.
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Hybridization between the Canaanites and normal round head people created a skull outline that narrows the back of the brain and enlarges the front of the brain. We call these people "highbrows" because the enlargement of the front of the brain increases their ability to memorize. Narrowing of the back of the brain diminishes their ability to perform advanced mathematics. These people are superb athletes and beautiful people. However, they lack the ability to understand basic scientific reasoning.
Magus Physician
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These people are superb athletes and beautiful people. However, they lack the ability to understand basic scientific reasoning.
quote - "These people are superb athletes and beautiful people. However, they lack the ability to understand basic scientific reasoning. End Quote
"Basic scientific reasoning" is temporal, in that, it requires a past, present and future. It would be interesting to know how these people related to time.
I would guess that they were oriented to the NOW, the present moment, as are most physical performance masters.
A mind free of 'scientific reasoning' can be highly liberated (un-bound) and able to perform the miraculous.
quote - "These people are superb athletes and beautiful people. However, they lack the ability to understand basic scientific reasoning. End Quote
"Basic scientific reasoning" is temporal, in that, it requires a past, present and future. It would be interesting to know how these people related to time.
I would guess that they were oriented to the NOW, the present moment, as are most physical performance masters.
A mind free of 'scientific reasoning' can be highly liberated (un-bound) and able to perform the miraculous.
Its sad that people consistently fail to interpret data [the bible and other ancient texts] incorrectly. Im not saying the religion is wrong, Im saying people dont know how to interpret ancient texts, made even worse by previous mal translations.
The devotee must exercise discrimination and have a good fund of proven scientific knowledge. Then they wont be claiming that fossils are 10000 years old etc. Come on bible people - get your mind round the fact that God created the universe 20 billion years ago. Maybe stop living so much in ancient Judea and start looking at Gods creation and how it works.Men calculated the earths precession 50000 years ago, the melting glaciers floodwater receded 10000 years ago- thats when middle eastern life was documented to have begun afresh ...not started from the beginning!
The bible is historically accurate but the reader is not reading it quite right.
The USA christians really have to improve their knowledge and discriminatory thought processes to better understand the world, otherwise they make their country look bad [silly] in the eyes of the world.
Really.
C'mon.
The devotee must exercise discrimination and have a good fund of proven scientific knowledge. Then they wont be claiming that fossils are 10000 years old etc. Come on bible people - get your mind round the fact that God created the universe 20 billion years ago. Maybe stop living so much in ancient Judea and start looking at Gods creation and how it works.Men calculated the earths precession 50000 years ago, the melting glaciers floodwater receded 10000 years ago- thats when middle eastern life was documented to have begun afresh ...not started from the beginning!
The bible is historically accurate but the reader is not reading it quite right.
The USA christians really have to improve their knowledge and discriminatory thought processes to better understand the world, otherwise they make their country look bad [silly] in the eyes of the world.
Really.
C'mon.
Only goes to show that your average person is an above average idiot.
Your comments are quite correct. I should add that the Bible defines "Humans" to be hybrids of the family of Eve, that is, they are hybridized with Canaanites. To learn more you must read my book. I have a surprise for you there. Magus Physician.
I feel sorry for people like the religious fanatic guy on this forum, spouting endless passages from a ~2000 year old man-made guess at what the world around him is all about. He is drowning as he tries to convince himself he is right.
The problem here is that some people do not want to hear that their reassuring beliefs are not true. They simply do not care if its the truth or not, they need it.
There are a lot of people in the world with very little going for them, they cant afford to know the truth. And it upsets me to say that.
I dont claim to know the absolute truth, but humans have certainly made a start at narrowing it down. The bible is absolutely out of its depth.
The problem here is that some people do not want to hear that their reassuring beliefs are not true. They simply do not care if its the truth or not, they need it.
There are a lot of people in the world with very little going for them, they cant afford to know the truth. And it upsets me to say that.
I dont claim to know the absolute truth, but humans have certainly made a start at narrowing it down. The bible is absolutely out of its depth.
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... Im saying people dont know how to interpret ancient texts. ..
Only the Holy Spirit is qualified to interpret the Bible; however, it is the priviledge of every believer to have the Holy Spirit as a personal teacher. He is the earnest of our inheritance in the Kingdom of God.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Gh
ost. (II Peter 1:20)
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Only the Holy Spirit is qualified to interpret the Bible; however, it is the priviledge of every believer to have the Holy Spirit as a personal teacher. He is the earnest of our inheritance in the Kingdom of God.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Gh
ost. (II Peter 1:20)The Holy Bible
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Jerry, how come you are a Restricted User? - never seen this before. Normally ppl are listed as members.
Regarding Ev, yeah, it could be the truth. Or it might not be. I was not around millions of years ago, so I cannot say.
Logically, it is reasonable that it could happen.
It is also logical for me that ID could also have occured.
Given that I cannot totally dis-prove ID, I go with it.
Nothing to really argue about I don't think...
Regarding the problem of superstitious belief, the posterior skull of Humans is narrowed. This narrowing includes the space that the cerebellum occupies. This deformity of the cerebellum has been recently related to a degree of autism.
Canaanites are a recent addition to Homo sapiens. Many detrimental genetic variations occur within this group of people that have not yet been eliminated by mother nature in her quest for perfection. One or more of these defective genes interfere with the normal metabolism of dopamine, the neurotransmitter for the front of the brain. Because of this some Humans show an increase in bufoteinin (toad poison) that causes hallucinations. Clinical schizophrenia usually becomes apparent when the skull stops growing.
If you obtain my inexpensive book, ORIGIN OF ENGLISH GENIUS, AuthorHouse paperback or disc, through their hotline (888)280-7715 you will find 70 references documenting the theories I am presenting to you.
Canaanites are a recent addition to Homo sapiens. Many detrimental genetic variations occur within this group of people that have not yet been eliminated by mother nature in her quest for perfection. One or more of these defective genes interfere with the normal metabolism of dopamine, the neurotransmitter for the front of the brain. Because of this some Humans show an increase in bufoteinin (toad poison) that causes hallucinations. Clinical schizophrenia usually becomes apparent when the skull stops growing.
If you obtain my inexpensive book, ORIGIN OF ENGLISH GENIUS, AuthorHouse paperback or disc, through their hotline (888)280-7715 you will find 70 references documenting the theories I am presenting to you.
There is nothing to worry about. People are free to believe what they want and science is not a democracy (thank your god for both). If people dont want to believe in science they are free to do it, but we scientific people know that the scientific truth cant be voted, scientific truth is not ruled by majority and the scientific truth is not what they voted in this case.
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