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coberst
Police and Professor: who had moral high ground?

Can both simultaneously occupy the moral high ground?

The NYTimes published a news article that ignited “a national discussion about race and law enforcement unfolded after the arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr., Harvard’s prominent scholar of African-American history. Professor Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct July 16 at his home in Cambridge, Mass., as the police investigated a report of a possible break-in there. The charge was later dropped, and the Cambridge Police Department said the incident was “regrettable and unfortunate.” President Obama said the police officer had acted stupidly.

Are experiences, meaning, and comprehension pertinent to the facts?

Did the police officer and the professor “see” the same thing?

The police officer saw himself once again going into a dangerous situation in order to preserve law and order; in this dangerous situation he saw a potentially dangerous black man giving him a hard time just like so many others have done.

The well respected university professor saw a police officer harassing him because he is a black man; just as many police officers constantly harass him and all black men because almost all Irish police officers harbor racial hatred for all African Americans.

I claim that both the policeman and the professor had made moral decisions of the highest meaning. Both made decisions affecting the interrelationships of the community in its widest variables.

The Scientific Method seeks to bracket [fence out] meaningfulness. The scientific method hates bias and bias is one form of meaning. Bias causes the individual to often distort “truth”. In the lab bias is the enemy, i.e. meaning is the enemy.

Religion seeks to bracket the word “morality”, i.e. to create a fence protecting the “word” from outside influence. Religion seeks to bracket human critical thought. I was raised as a Catholic and went to Catholic schools and was taught by nuns. I learned quickly that to “entertain” impure thoughts (thoughts about sex) or questions about my religion were sinful and had to be confessed to a priest in the confessional.

What is meaning?

Meaning is not a thing: meaning is a creatures’ association with an object.

Meaning and epistemology (what can we know and how can we know it) go together like a “horse and carriage”. Epistemology is about comprehension and comprehension is about meaning.

Comprehension can be usefully thought of as being hierarchical and formed like a pyramid. At the base is awareness followed by consciousness. Awareness is the beginning of comprehension; it begins with preconceptual and unconscious happenings in our brain. Consciousness adds to awareness the focus of our attention on this object that results from awareness. We are aware of much and we are conscious of little. When I walk in the woods I am aware of much and become quickly terrified by the consciousness of a shape that makes me think bear.

Knowing follows consciousness on this pyramid. Knowing is followed by understanding. Understanding is at the pinnacle of the pyramid of comprehension.

Meaning follows comprehension side by side. Meaning begins with awareness and grows with consciousness and knowing. At the pinnacle of the pyramid is the creation of new meaning through the process of our understanding, which organizes into a gestalt that which is known. The understanding at the pinnacle of comprehension is that rare moment of eureka when all becomes clear after a great struggle to understand a complex matter. Understanding is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle where our knowledge are the pieces of the puzzle.

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http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthrea...at&Number=31276 with commentary by Zephir.
http://www.interfaith.org/forum/police-and...-had-11856.html
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/philosoph...igh-ground.html
http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22346
http://www.historum.com/showthread.php?t=6848
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Derek1148
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Do you have any knowledge of law enforcement procedures?
w6nrw
Noblama has said that this incident should be a teaching moment.

It was.

It taught us about noblama . . . . about whom we know very little.

'appears to me that his only capability is that of reading well from
a teleprompter.
Philco
QUOTE (coberst+Jul 25 2009, 01:27 PM)
... because almost all Irish police officers harbor racial hatred for all African Americans...

What's with the "Irish" comment?!

I strongly suspect that the police officers concerned were American rather than Irish. You are just being racist in your assumption that Irish people are racially intolerant and that most US police officers come from an Irish-American background.

As a matter of fact in Ireland we have seen an enormous amount of immigration during the past 10 years, with many arriving from Africa. Thus far the Irish have managed to avoid making them slaves, segregating them or terrorising them by lighting huge crosses on their property. I reckon that rather puts us ahead of America.

You have earned your ban - pity it's only temporary.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (w6nrw+Jul 26 2009, 10:40 AM)
'appears to me that his only capability is that of reading well from
a teleprompter.

It appears to me that your only capability is to whine and make stupid claims.

However, there's a difference between our two opinions: Mine is backed by evidence.
w6nrw
OK panties, I'll agree to remove the word 'well'
from its working with a teleprompter rolleyes.gif
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (w6nrw+Jul 27 2009, 12:09 PM)
OK panties, I'll agree to remove the word 'well'
from its working with a teleprompter rolleyes.gif

Tell me, what country was Barack Obama (POTUS) born in?
Derek1148
Edit.
Capracus
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 27 2009, 05:53 PM)
Tell me, what country was Barack Obama (POTUS) born in?
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