http://www.physorg.com/news68812957.html
While this is an interesting phenomenon, it is not ball lightning as described by hundreds of obervers. Nice try.
Pat
I believe this guy might actually have a viable version of the ball lightning that is typically described by witnesses.
http://www.chukanovenergy.com/index.php?section=15
Appears that he has left the US to pursue development in another country with financial backing.
http://www.chukanovenergy.com/index.php?section=15
Appears that he has left the US to pursue development in another country with financial backing.
Myself and 2 other people observed what I now believe to be ball lightning in a small town in Western Massachusetts when I was a youngster around 1954. It was shortly after a thunderstorm although the rain had completely stopped. There is a railroad track that goes through the center of town and I observed 3-4 yellow-orange balls that appeard to be floating and drifting in an easterly direction in unison, about 6 feet above one of the tracks. The balls were about twice the size of a softball and were visible for about 15-30 seconds after which they just sort of dissipated.
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QUOTE (Pat+Jun 7 2006, 02:16 AM)
While this is an interesting phenomenon, it is not ball lightning as described by hundreds of obervers. Nice try.
Please cite your evidence in opposition to this article.
Specifically, cite sources that have hundreds of observation of ball lightning and describe HOW they differ from those here?
Is it shape? No .. They get their glowing plasmas in "every possible manifestation"
Is it color? No. The get their glowing plasmas in "every possible color"
Is it size and duration?
1) How many of your observations took measurements of size and duration and how many just guessed after the fact?
2) The laboratory rig is limited at least by the size of the beaker, it is possible that larger beakers would lead to larger and longer-lived events. It is possible that laboratory research as described by the article will lead to a scaling law that does cover the whole range of phenomena you represent yourself as an expert as.
Here's a link with pictures and movies.
http://www.ipp.mpg.de/ippcms/eng/presse/pi/05_06_pi.html
And another: (in German)
http://plasma.physik.hu-berlin.de/
http://plasma.physik.hu-berlin.de/sonstiges/Kugelblitz.htm
According to New Scientist :
Specifically, cite sources that have hundreds of observation of ball lightning and describe HOW they differ from those here?
Is it shape? No .. They get their glowing plasmas in "every possible manifestation"
Is it color? No. The get their glowing plasmas in "every possible color"
Is it size and duration?
1) How many of your observations took measurements of size and duration and how many just guessed after the fact?
2) The laboratory rig is limited at least by the size of the beaker, it is possible that larger beakers would lead to larger and longer-lived events. It is possible that laboratory research as described by the article will lead to a scaling law that does cover the whole range of phenomena you represent yourself as an expert as.
Here's a link with pictures and movies.
http://www.ipp.mpg.de/ippcms/eng/presse/pi/05_06_pi.html
And another: (in German)
http://plasma.physik.hu-berlin.de/
http://plasma.physik.hu-berlin.de/sonstiges/Kugelblitz.htm
According to New Scientist :
Most accounts describe a hovering, glowing, ball-like object up to 40 centimetres across, ranging in colour from red to yellow to blue and lasting for several seconds or in rare cases even minutes. Many scientists believe ball lightning is a ball of plasma formed when lightning strikes the ground, but the exact mechanism is unclear despite the many theories proposed.
So the laboratory is within a order of magnitude for each criteria of size and shape. Perhaps all that's missing is a statistical filter: maybe the observations are just rare long-lived events -- maybe the laboratory is the wrong temperature -- maybe the beaker size or clay tube size or voltage or total charge or salinity is the factor.
Your abrupt dismissisal is contrary to the spirit of investigation. Either show why the scientists are on the wrong track or admit they have made some progress.
jb} Some scientists claim that there is no such thing as ball lightning. That, of course, isn't true. So a start would be to tell the class that ball lightning really exists, that it is a fascinating phenomenon to watch, and it can be in the home rolling around on the floor as well as anywhere else.
What we saw in our home looked perfectly harmless - but we exercised prudence over adventure and stayed away. Eventually it found the door and went outside. If you look on the net you'll find antidotes about ball lightning having a mind of it's own. And strange as it may seem that lightning should "think," - when you see it - that's sure the impression you get.
jb
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Ball lightning on youtube video during big lightning storm.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/many...oballyo-yos.jpg
Link to the video
My youtube page with favorites linked
but not any more on ball lightning.
^The first going up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/many.../ufoatstorm.jpg
Course some think its a plane. Yeah taking off in a storm. And thats some
storm. They grow them big in Texas, I think that was the location.
I myself think the Tesla flat coil makes a perfect ball of magnetism, but
this is speculation.
So ball lightning, plane or unknown.
And I do have a reason why a craft with a big flat coil might take off in
a lightning storm, to control it own currents and not get any help from
cloud to ground lightning strikes.
In any case, this appears to be flying ball lightning.. at least the filmer thinks so.
You guys should be carefull messing around with high voltage apparatus under water! Who's gonna be responsible if you poke your eye out? Or burn your mustache off eh? Any way I saw that in the Electrical course I took at Central Technical School in 1967. I've got one for you, why don't you try to determine the solubility product constant of Americium in Beryllium by disolving molten Americium in an oven with molten Beryllium. Question: How to determine the pH?
Please cite your evidence in opposition to this article.
QUOTE
The facility can generate impressive "ball-lightning" in every possible manifestation and colour about every five minutes.
Specifically, cite sources that have hundreds of observation of ball lightning and describe HOW they differ from those here?
Is it shape? No .. They get their glowing plasmas in "every possible manifestation"
Is it color? No. The get their glowing plasmas in "every possible color"
Is it size and duration?
1) How many of your observations took measurements of size and duration and how many just guessed after the fact?
2) The laboratory rig is limited at least by the size of the beaker, it is possible that larger beakers would lead to larger and longer-lived events. It is possible that laboratory research as described by the article will lead to a scaling law that does cover the whole range of phenomena you represent yourself as an expert as.
Here's a link with pictures and movies.
http://www.ipp.mpg.de/ippcms/eng/presse/pi/05_06_pi.html
And another: (in German)
http://plasma.physik.hu-berlin.de/
http://plasma.physik.hu-berlin.de/sonstiges/Kugelblitz.htm
According to New Scientist :
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| The facility can generate impressive "ball-lightning" in every possible manifestation and colour about every five minutes. |
Specifically, cite sources that have hundreds of observation of ball lightning and describe HOW they differ from those here?
Is it shape? No .. They get their glowing plasmas in "every possible manifestation"
Is it color? No. The get their glowing plasmas in "every possible color"
Is it size and duration?
1) How many of your observations took measurements of size and duration and how many just guessed after the fact?
2) The laboratory rig is limited at least by the size of the beaker, it is possible that larger beakers would lead to larger and longer-lived events. It is possible that laboratory research as described by the article will lead to a scaling law that does cover the whole range of phenomena you represent yourself as an expert as.
Here's a link with pictures and movies.
http://www.ipp.mpg.de/ippcms/eng/presse/pi/05_06_pi.html
And another: (in German)
http://plasma.physik.hu-berlin.de/
http://plasma.physik.hu-berlin.de/sonstiges/Kugelblitz.htm
According to New Scientist :
Most accounts describe a hovering, glowing, ball-like object up to 40 centimetres across, ranging in colour from red to yellow to blue and lasting for several seconds or in rare cases even minutes. Many scientists believe ball lightning is a ball of plasma formed when lightning strikes the ground, but the exact mechanism is unclear despite the many theories proposed.
So the laboratory is within a order of magnitude for each criteria of size and shape. Perhaps all that's missing is a statistical filter: maybe the observations are just rare long-lived events -- maybe the laboratory is the wrong temperature -- maybe the beaker size or clay tube size or voltage or total charge or salinity is the factor.
Your abrupt dismissisal is contrary to the spirit of investigation. Either show why the scientists are on the wrong track or admit they have made some progress.
BALL CONCRETIONS IS NEW KIND OF ENERGY
Fig 1
Ball concretions (Fig.1) - formation being encountered only in the zones of continental subduction, which they check and generate oil and gas of oil and gas-bearing provinces. Studying the ball concretions of mountain Mangyshlak (Kazakhstan) it is possible to establish the fact of the syngenetic origin of concretions, and the enclosing rock – epigenetic. Ball concretions were formed in the oil, gas, and water bearing layer- collectors of lower cretaceous, which were hollow, and they were only then filled up with surrounding layer. The formation of concretions is connected with the electro-explosions in the earth's crust, arranged as the electro-capacitor radiator, where proceeds energy storage from the "dynamo effect" of planet the Earth and cooling of the nuclear- plasma reactions of cold synthesis. As a result of electro-explosion is formed the ball plasma, which revolves with the speed of 20-40metors/sek, and in mantle and nucleus of planet the Earth. The rotation of geospheres sets in motion the lithosphere plates with the speed of 2-16 centimeters/year consist of the geo-litho dynamic complexes, whose speed with the depth increases, which is confirmed by listritic breakings, by the mirrors of slip and stilolitic seams along the core. A difference in the speeds leads to the "effect of millstones", that leads to splitting and dissolution of clays, carbonates with stratal water, but not dissoluble remain on the spot, forming basal bundles and karsts in the carbonate deposits, serving as collectors for the oil and the gas. The formation of ball concretions is also connected with the rotation of the ball-shaped plasma, which is formed during the electro discharges in the layer- collectors and possessing electromagnetic field, attracting from the stratal water iron, magnesium, manganese, etc.chemical connections, and also the enclosing rocks, which form spherical forms. (Fig.2,3)
Fig 2
To create ball concretion is possible under the conditions for approximating natural with the aid of the electro-explosions, in this case it is possible to obtain new energy. Fluids are used for cooling nuclear reactions their selection it conducts to the warming up of planet the Earth.
The keywords: fluid, subduction, electro- capacitor radiator, electro-explosions.
Fig 3
Fig 1
Ball concretions (Fig.1) - formation being encountered only in the zones of continental subduction, which they check and generate oil and gas of oil and gas-bearing provinces. Studying the ball concretions of mountain Mangyshlak (Kazakhstan) it is possible to establish the fact of the syngenetic origin of concretions, and the enclosing rock – epigenetic. Ball concretions were formed in the oil, gas, and water bearing layer- collectors of lower cretaceous, which were hollow, and they were only then filled up with surrounding layer. The formation of concretions is connected with the electro-explosions in the earth's crust, arranged as the electro-capacitor radiator, where proceeds energy storage from the "dynamo effect" of planet the Earth and cooling of the nuclear- plasma reactions of cold synthesis. As a result of electro-explosion is formed the ball plasma, which revolves with the speed of 20-40metors/sek, and in mantle and nucleus of planet the Earth. The rotation of geospheres sets in motion the lithosphere plates with the speed of 2-16 centimeters/year consist of the geo-litho dynamic complexes, whose speed with the depth increases, which is confirmed by listritic breakings, by the mirrors of slip and stilolitic seams along the core. A difference in the speeds leads to the "effect of millstones", that leads to splitting and dissolution of clays, carbonates with stratal water, but not dissoluble remain on the spot, forming basal bundles and karsts in the carbonate deposits, serving as collectors for the oil and the gas. The formation of ball concretions is also connected with the rotation of the ball-shaped plasma, which is formed during the electro discharges in the layer- collectors and possessing electromagnetic field, attracting from the stratal water iron, magnesium, manganese, etc.chemical connections, and also the enclosing rocks, which form spherical forms. (Fig.2,3)
Fig 2
To create ball concretion is possible under the conditions for approximating natural with the aid of the electro-explosions, in this case it is possible to obtain new energy. Fluids are used for cooling nuclear reactions their selection it conducts to the warming up of planet the Earth.
The keywords: fluid, subduction, electro- capacitor radiator, electro-explosions.
Fig 3
<p>Some quick background about myself:</p>
<p>I have been working in the electronics and high energy electrophysics fields for the last 10 years. I was a major part of NASA's Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory, that utilizes dense, RF-excited plasmas for spacecraft propulsion systems. I designed their HV power supplies, troubleshot their circuits, machined their parts, and soldered in their high power antennas. A Tesla coil that I recently designed and constructed produces electrical discharges in excess of 16 feet.</p>
<p>The ball lightning reproduction described in this article is BY FAR the most realistic that I've ever seen. It seems to use the elements most common to the environment in which ball lightning seems to form: High-intensity and fast electrical discharges, water, and organic materials.</p>
<p>They might not be getting 12" balls of hissing orange plasma that float through walls, but this is a step in the right direction. I do hope they continue on this path.</p>
<p> - Justin</p>
<p>I have been working in the electronics and high energy electrophysics fields for the last 10 years. I was a major part of NASA's Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory, that utilizes dense, RF-excited plasmas for spacecraft propulsion systems. I designed their HV power supplies, troubleshot their circuits, machined their parts, and soldered in their high power antennas. A Tesla coil that I recently designed and constructed produces electrical discharges in excess of 16 feet.</p>
<p>The ball lightning reproduction described in this article is BY FAR the most realistic that I've ever seen. It seems to use the elements most common to the environment in which ball lightning seems to form: High-intensity and fast electrical discharges, water, and organic materials.</p>
<p>They might not be getting 12" balls of hissing orange plasma that float through walls, but this is a step in the right direction. I do hope they continue on this path.</p>
<p> - Justin</p>
Dear People, the experiments described above are impressive but without practical use. I'm creating artificial ball lightning in continious regime (not just for friction of second; my ball lightning can last forever) every day last twenty years . I investigated all physical and energy features of ball lightning. I discovered that ball lightning is a quantum macro-object and it is source of unlimited free energy. Now I'm working on the creation of 1MW QFE generator for business (next year). For more information visit my web-site: www.chukanovenergy.com. Wait for up-dates next few months.
Best regards, Dr. Kiril Chukanov
Best regards, Dr. Kiril Chukanov
QUOTE (Pat+Jun 7 2006, 02:16 AM)
While this is an interesting phenomenon, it is not ball lightning as described by hundreds of obervers. Nice try.
Pat
Pat - you are quite right, that is not ball lightning.
Ball lightning is a freely moving ball shaped mass of plasma, that hugs a surface and (seems) to have a mind of it's own.
My family and I watched a ball of lightning (about a foot and a half in diameter) move across our living-room floor some while ago. The plasma swirled within the ball and put on a multi-colored (nebula) display. Like this:
_
jb
.
Pat
Pat - you are quite right, that is not ball lightning.
Ball lightning is a freely moving ball shaped mass of plasma, that hugs a surface and (seems) to have a mind of it's own.
My family and I watched a ball of lightning (about a foot and a half in diameter) move across our living-room floor some while ago. The plasma swirled within the ball and put on a multi-colored (nebula) display. Like this:
_
jb
.
Id like to inquire, if this phenomenon is safe for classroom demonstration and if possible, make it a science exhibit for science fairs...
QUOTE
belle, Oct 20 2006, I'd like to inquire, if this phenomenon is safe for classroom demonstration and if possible, make it a science exhibit for science fairs
jb} Some scientists claim that there is no such thing as ball lightning. That, of course, isn't true. So a start would be to tell the class that ball lightning really exists, that it is a fascinating phenomenon to watch, and it can be in the home rolling around on the floor as well as anywhere else.
What we saw in our home looked perfectly harmless - but we exercised prudence over adventure and stayed away. Eventually it found the door and went outside. If you look on the net you'll find antidotes about ball lightning having a mind of it's own. And strange as it may seem that lightning should "think," - when you see it - that's sure the impression you get.
jb
.
Ball lightning on youtube video during big lightning storm.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/many...oballyo-yos.jpg
Link to the video
My youtube page with favorites linked
but not any more on ball lightning.
^The first going up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/many.../ufoatstorm.jpg
Course some think its a plane. Yeah taking off in a storm. And thats some
storm. They grow them big in Texas, I think that was the location.
I myself think the Tesla flat coil makes a perfect ball of magnetism, but
this is speculation.
So ball lightning, plane or unknown.
And I do have a reason why a craft with a big flat coil might take off in
a lightning storm, to control it own currents and not get any help from
cloud to ground lightning strikes.
In any case, this appears to be flying ball lightning.. at least the filmer thinks so.
Two words:
COLD FUSION
"Just because you can doesn't mean that you should."
Dic
COLD FUSION
"Just because you can doesn't mean that you should."
Dic
Hi there
My name is Arpad.
I made plasma ball and other shapes for fun.
My system is based on microvawe exites a material similar to sodium in comparison but is not sodium .I was sure always that water hit hard emit microvawes.Also hit hard electrically.What you see on top of the water is
microvawe exited sodium that run the water tracks and dies because runs out
of electrons.Yes i admit this can be called base metal plasma.Arpad
My name is Arpad.
I made plasma ball and other shapes for fun.
My system is based on microvawe exites a material similar to sodium in comparison but is not sodium .I was sure always that water hit hard emit microvawes.Also hit hard electrically.What you see on top of the water is
microvawe exited sodium that run the water tracks and dies because runs out
of electrons.Yes i admit this can be called base metal plasma.Arpad
I have herd several times that they can only be 40 cm but I have seen two at least one meter
damn, and i thought this wouldnt be a redneck forum...
I can live with the Plasma balls and such....but trying to get them into clouds, well thats just Adobe After Effects talking(or jets).
ugggh!
I can live with the Plasma balls and such....but trying to get them into clouds, well thats just Adobe After Effects talking(or jets).
ugggh!
You guys should be carefull messing around with high voltage apparatus under water! Who's gonna be responsible if you poke your eye out? Or burn your mustache off eh? Any way I saw that in the Electrical course I took at Central Technical School in 1967. I've got one for you, why don't you try to determine the solubility product constant of Americium in Beryllium by disolving molten Americium in an oven with molten Beryllium. Question: How to determine the pH?
Well I'm figuring you have a medium to hold the compound so therefore it should just be a simple testing of balances of the various chemicals you require to have tested for to figure your pH balance.
Then again are the mediums even important.
Then again are the mediums even important.
I had the unnerving experience of becoming ball lightning.
I was operating an electrical switch during a violent coastal thunderstorm in Kenya. Lightning struck and I was enveloped in a ball of blue light, according to witnesses. Then I was flung twenty feet accross the room, where I lay paralysed for about twenty seconds.
I had no injuries, and suspect I was saved by the salt spray driven off the sea which had wetted me. This probably caused the lightning to "flashover" and not go through my body. Hence I am still here.
I was operating an electrical switch during a violent coastal thunderstorm in Kenya. Lightning struck and I was enveloped in a ball of blue light, according to witnesses. Then I was flung twenty feet accross the room, where I lay paralysed for about twenty seconds.
I had no injuries, and suspect I was saved by the salt spray driven off the sea which had wetted me. This probably caused the lightning to "flashover" and not go through my body. Hence I am still here.
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