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prometheus
Since I have been frequenting these forms and spending time reading about science more generally than just for my studies, I have noticed that there are basically three types of people (not everyone falls into a category here btw):
  • Scientists
  • Crackpots
  • People worried about science
I feel concerned about the amount of people that fall into the latter 2 categories. We are in an age where our achievements are truly breathtaking, and yet there are people that either think science is wrong or think it's going to bring about the end of the world, so I ask myself the question; who is responsible?

Clearly, first in the line of fire are scientists themselves. If we can't communicate what we are doing in a way that people can understand and realise that scientists generally do what they do because of a desire to take humanity forward then it's our own fault that we are misunderstood, right? That opinion will generally come from a commentator on science - a science writer.

In my opinion, the blame for much of the ignorance around science lies with science writers. Typically, the primary drive behind journalism isn't to get the facts out there, it's to sell product. That means that instead of a rational and sensible discourse we get sensationalism, hyperbole and outlandish claims that the scientist would very likely not agree with. Two cases in point, the danger of the LHC - there is maybe a single genuine physicist (Plaga) that has published work claiming that the LHC may be a danger (and his work has been rebutted in other papers). People like Wagner, Sancho and Rossler aren't physicists, despite what they claim, and have not published any work in theoretical physics. It's almost impossible to find a news article on the LHC without some mention of a "black hole machine" or suchlike. The result of this has been an Indian girl committing suicide. Second case - the MMR vaccine; there was a single study out of many many studies into the effects of the MMR that gave an indication that there were possible health risks related to the three in one combined jab. In the press conference Wakefield made a claim (that was not supported by his paper) that single jabs would be safer. The study was eventually discredited and it's author hauled before the general medical council to answer charges of a conflict of interest, but the reporting of it in the press was wall to wall. People have had horrible diseases that they would otherwise have been immune to as a result.

Why do we stand for these poor standards in journalism where they are effectively the largest influence on the way people think? Should there be more accountability for journalists in general?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (prometheus+Oct 17 2009, 06:27 PM)
Why do we stand for these poor standards in journalism where they are effectively the largest influence on the way people think? Should there be more accountability for journalists in general?

Hell yes. The honest truth is that journalism is suppose to have internal ethics prohibiting this exact sort of behavior, yet for some reason, they don't seem to apply to science or medicine reporting. I can't count the number of times I've heard on the news that some new scientific study finds something which is totally shocking, then gone and looked up that very same study to find that their conclusions were not even remotely in the same ballpark as the news outlets claim.

Recently, my fiancee heard from our local TV news that a 'new' study proved that children who aren't spanked have higher IQs as adults. When I looked into it, I found that the study dated back to 1989, and the IQs of non-spanked children were 2% higher than spanked children, while the margin of error in the study was a whopping 4%. I mean, the very fact that such a study had such a high margin of error should lead any reasonable person to view it with some wariness. Yet for some reason, the news reporters thought it prudent to outright lie about the date of the study, and omit the most important piece of evidence from the findings: That the difference was within the margin of error. This was blatant dishonesty, yet it's merely par for the course with science reporting.

Political journalists can find themselves out of a job if they make dishonest claims about policy or politicians, thanks to numerous watchdog groups devoted to maintaining truth in political reporting. General interest journalists can find themselves in similarly hot water if they publish false information, thanks to the efforts of their own competition. Yet science reporting gets left out of this mechanism. There's no competition, and there are no significant watchdog groups.

What we need is the latter. A strong, well-known, well-respected science reporting watchdog group. Only then will those journalists who lie and distort the truth about science news find themselves compelled to maintain the same ethical standards that their colleagues do.
RobDegraves
I think that you guys are looking at a general problem and concentrating on where it applies to science.

There are two more issues ... each larger than each other.

The larger issue is the press in general. In North America in the last two decades, journalistic integrity has fallen to the God of ratings. Fear is used to sell papers, television, radio, etc. We have terrorists who are often just a bunch of guys who happen to look muslim.. everyone freaks out as the press whips that horse until far past it's death. We have health scares every week. Fear is everywhere because fear sells. Sex sells too.. but mostly beer and cars. If you can offer scary sex.. you are good to go.

The largest issue of course... is us.

The papers don't give us that stuff because they feel like scaring people for purely sadistic reasons.. well maybe "Fox" does.. but most don't. They feed this to us because we eat it up ... and demand more. The problem isn't the papers who publish fear, the politicians who live off of it, the vultures who sell us "survival kits" or even the reprehensible idiots who use fear to just make themselves famous.

The problem sadly... is the people who give them money... ie... almost everyone. It's never a good idea to look in the mirror. Sorry.

Matador
Its unfortunate that money will drive people's agenda. Also the problem lies with the internet as it allows a huge amount of un-reviewed information to be put out to the public. Ten years ago, only a handfull of science magazines existed which provided a layman's explanations into new scientific discoveries and only very few of these would have actually reached the public. Now with the information explosion, it will take several decades for it to sort itself out.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Oct 17 2009, 07:48 PM)
The larger issue is the press in general.  In North America in the last two decades, journalistic integrity has fallen to the God of ratings.  Fear is used to sell papers, television, radio, etc.  We have terrorists who are often just a bunch of guys who happen to look muslim.. everyone freaks out as the press whips that horse until far past it's death.  We have health scares every week.   Fear is everywhere because fear sells.  Sex sells too.. but mostly beer and cars.  If you can offer scary sex.. you are good to go.

I haven't seen a terrorist scare in the news in a long time... Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the propensity for doing that faded as all those scares that made the headlines 7-8 years ago failed to materialize.


I agree that fear sells, absolutely. What I was saying is that there exist mechanisms to inhibit that sort of fear-mongering in other forms of journalism. After all, would you rather be the news correspondent who reports on some hideous miscarriage of justice, or the news correspondent who exposes his (the former newsman's) lies, and demonstrates that this miscarriage of justice was anything but?
Almost anyone would rather be the latter. The former might get good ratings for one night, but looses all credibility once the latter's story hits.

There's just no real competition in science reporting, thanks to the open nature of scientists. They don't sell their stories to the highest bidder, or offer exclusives to their favorite anchor, they publish articles and hold press conference, ensuring that every science reporter gets the same story. There's no impetus for science journalists to dig deeper than their competition when there's nothing more for them to find.



One ironic aspect comes in the form of the popularity of shows like MythBusters and Penn & Teller's Bullshit. There is a huge market for people who expose charlatans, fakes and misinformation, thanks to that inherent human desire to always feel smarter than the next guy. The networks simply haven't figured out how best to capitalize on this market. Once they do though, I'll bet good money you'll see a vast increase in the quality of science reporting.
EDIT: I'd like to include The Doctors in the above list as well. At first, I figured it for just another Dr. Oz-type "I'm a doctor, so if I believe in alternative medicine, there must be something to it," bullshit ratings whore, but the doctors on that show have actually demonstrated a respect-worthy level of skepticism when it comes to psuedoscience and health-scaremongering.
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