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dimazin
Hi!
Impulse of a body = mass * velocity * Lorentz's coefficient ( 1/(1-v^2/c^2)^1/2 )
Foolish people increased mass by Lorentz's coefficient. Actually this seeming velocity should be increased by Lorentz's coefficient to receive the true speed of the body. The true speed of photons is many times more than 300 000 km/s , but photons are moving into the future for one second, having overcome distance of 300 000 km. If the body is flying 3 000 000 km/s, it is moving into the future for one second , having overcome distance 330 000 km. Therefore it seems that it flies about speed hardly less than 300 000 km/s.
V = v * Lc d = V / (Lc-1) v^2 = V^2*c^2 /(V^2+c^2)
V - true speed of a body
v - seeming velocity of a body
Lc - Lorentz's coefficient
d - distance, having overcome that distance, the body moves for one second into the future
c - so-called speed of light
barakn
So the laws of physics obey a one-second rule even though a second is a measure of time invented by humans? laugh.gif

That's the stupidest theory I've seen all morning.
TheDoc
Oh yay! Yet another loon who thinks he's rewritten physics dry.gif
yor_on
Well, there are some that says that photons take all possible paths at all possible time and that some of them are faster than 'c'.
But as far as i got it, they also say that the outcome we will see will never be above 'c'.
But maybe you have some experimental proof for your ideas?
dimazin
***Well, there are some that says that photons take all possible paths at all possible time and that some of them are faster than 'c'.
But as far as i got it, they also say that the outcome we will see will never be above 'c'.
But maybe you have some experimental proof for your ideas? ***

Each photon has own speed.
Speeds of photons in some millions times more than 300 000 km/s
Let's take a photon flying with speed one trillion km/s. We should live one second of time to see how this photon will have overcome distance 300 000 km.
The photon lives 1/ 3 000 000 share of second , having overcome this distance, and it moves into the future for 1-1/3000000 second.
If true body speed faster 300 000 km/s , but body does not moving into future its seeming speed is faster than so-called speed of light.
dimazin
No limited speed. No compromises. For 5 minutes perhaps to trust or to not trust in a theory, to understand a theory for 5 minutes it is impossible.
N O M
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 16 2008, 07:27 PM)
I have such a limited intellect, to understand anything, it is impossible.

Agreed
TheDoc
QUOTE (N O M+Mar 16 2008, 07:42 AM)
Agreed

Now now NOM...be nice.

laugh.gif
dimazin

The limited speed was limiting my intellect.
Now everyone can freely imagine any speed.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 17 2008, 11:41 AM)
The limited speed was limiting my intellect.

And it seems to be quite adept at that job.
dimazin
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 17 2008, 06:00 PM)
And it seems to be quite adept at that job.

Maybe. But now my thinking is free from the limited speed this main thing.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 18 2008, 12:15 PM)
Maybe. But now my thinking is free from the limited speed this main thing.

Great! Now if you can just overcome that whole "complete lack of knowledge of physics" thing, you'll be doing alright... (Unintelligence can be managed, after all.)
N O M
I see where dimazin is heading. Ultimate speed is inversely proportional to intelligence. So dimazin's speed is approaching infinite blink.gif
Gorgeous
QUOTE
That's the stupidest theory I've seen all morning.


This made me laugh! laugh.gif


Cheers!




g.
dimazin
QUOTE (N O M+Mar 19 2008, 02:51 AM)
dimazin has not inherited Einstein's false intelligence.

Agreed.
dimazin
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 18 2008, 05:20 PM)
Great! Now if you can just overcome that whole "complete lack of knowledge of physics" thing, you'll be doing alright... (Unintelligence can be managed, after all.)

Who already knows all, he can not make discovery.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 26 2008, 10:41 AM)
Who already knows all, he can not make discovery.

Well, sure. The only problem is that you'd need to know what was already discovered by others, first. Which you obviously do not.
Let me sum it up for you: You're wrong.
Ron
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 9 2008, 09:29 AM)
***Well, there are some that says that photons take all possible paths at all possible time and that some of them are faster than 'c'.
But as far as i got it, they also say that the outcome we will see will never be above 'c'.
But maybe you have some experimental proof for your ideas? ***

Each photon has own speed.
Speeds of photons in some millions times more than 300 000 km/s
Let's take a photon flying with speed one trillion km/s. We should live one second of time to see how this photon will have overcome distance 300 000 km.
The photon lives 1/ 3 000 000 share of second , having overcome this distance, and it moves into the future for 1-1/3000000 second.
If true body speed faster 300 000 km/s , but body does not moving into future its seeming speed is faster than so-called speed of light.

Hi dimazin,
Just think about one or two of the implications that you have with light speeds millions of times greater than c. How close is our nearest star? Using your math, it's in our own solar system. Do you think that kind of massive object would be overlooked?
That's just one. You would have to rewrite ALL of the laws of physics associated with astronomy and cosmology.
Got any Ideas?
Peace,
Ron
Gehn
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 26 2008, 03:41 PM)
Who already  knows all, he  can not make discovery.

You must be making new discoveries every second then... dry.gif

- Gehn
dimazin
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 26 2008, 03:52 PM)
Well, sure. The only problem is that you'd need to know what was already discovered by others, first. Which you obviously do not.
Let me sum it up for you: You're wrong.


I want to discover reason of moving into the future . What do you want to discover ?
dimazin
QUOTE (Ron+Mar 26 2008, 03:55 PM)
Hi dimazin,
Just think about one or two of the implications that you have with light speeds millions of times greater than c. How close is our nearest star? Using your math, it's in our own solar system. Do you think that kind of massive object would be overlooked?
That's just one. You would have to rewrite ALL of the laws of physics associated with astronomy and cosmology.
Got any Ideas?
Peace,
Ron

Hi Ron . Please show me your calculation .
dimazin
QUOTE (Gehn+Mar 26 2008, 05:32 PM)
You must be making new discoveries every second then... dry.gif

- Gehn

"must"="can" then .
Ron
Dimazin,
You're the one with the new "theory". The burden of proof is on you.
That said, If Proxima Centauri is 4 lt yrs away, if c were millions of time fasted than c, that would make The Centauri system millions of times closer to us. Common sense.
Peace,
Ron
Ron
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 28 2008, 02:31 PM)

I want to discover reason of moving into the future . What do you want to discover ?

Ther are 6 + billion of people on this planet. It must be nice to know you are the smartest.
Ron
This title of this thread must have been misprinted from something like"One deluded Man". Ever hear of humility?
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 28 2008, 09:31 AM)
I want to discover reason of moving into the future . What do you want to discover ?

I want to discover why most unintelligent people seem to think they're geniuses.
All those Fs in school and all those times such people say "I don't get it," should have clued them in by now.
dimazin
QUOTE (Ron+Mar 28 2008, 04:05 PM)
Dimazin,
You're the one with the new "theory". The burden of proof is on you.
That said, If Proxima Centauri is 4 lt yrs away, if c were millions of time fasted than c, that would make The Centauri system millions of times closer to us. Common sense.
Peace,
Ron

My theory does not change distances.
The distance from this star the photon overcomes for 4 seconds, but moves for 4 years to the future.
Moomin
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 30 2008, 06:43 AM)
My theory does not change distances.
The distance from this star the photon overcomes for 4 seconds, but moves for 4 years to the future.

blink.gif holy incoherent drivel Batman.
dimazin
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 28 2008, 04:12 PM)
I want to discover why most unintelligent people seem to think they're geniuses.
All those Fs in school and all those times such people say "I don't get it," should have clued them in by now.

I wish you good luck.
AlphaNumeric
People seem to think that because we don't build space-ships capable of relativistic speeds we haven't tested such notions.

Every single day particle colliders accelerate electrons, protons etc to 99.999999% the speed of light. Einstein's equations are exactly matched. Dimazin's is not.

Therefore nature says "Dimazin is wrong". End of story.
dimazin
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Mar 30 2008, 07:56 AM)
People seem to think that because we don't build space-ships capable of relativistic speeds we haven't tested such notions.

Every single day particle colliders accelerate electrons, protons etc to 99.999999% the speed of light. Einstein's equations are exactly matched. Dimazin's is not.

Therefore nature says "Dimazin is wrong". End of story.

Every single day particle colliders accelerate electrons, protons etc
to 2 119 852 784 km/s . They move to the future for 0, 000 000 003 335 second , overcoming one meter of distance.
The history will forget AlphaNumeric.
Ron
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AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 31 2008, 04:08 PM)
Every single day particle colliders accelerate electrons, protons etc
to 2 119 852 784 km/s . They move to the future for 0, 000 000 003 335 second , overcoming one meter of distance.

No, they don't. Time dilation is a measured effect because of the unabel particles produced. Things like muons are produced which, when stationary, decay at a known rate. When moving at relativistic speeds they take longer to decay. In perfect agreement with relativity.

You are making up your own definition of speed too. What is speed? The distance covered per unit time. If an electron covers 1 metre in 0.00000000335 seconds then, by definition, it moves at = (1/0.00000000335) m/s = 3x10^8 m/s.

To claim otherwise is to ignore physics. You might as well say "It moves at a 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 m/s, we just cannot measure it". Why not say 1m/s or -3m/s or 'table' m/s ?
QUOTE (dimazin+Mar 31 2008, 04:08 PM)
The history will forget AlphaNumeric..
History may forget me, but it never remembered you in the first place.
dimazin
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Mar 31 2008, 04:15 PM)
No, they don't. Time dilation is a measured effect because of the unabel particles produced. Things like muons are produced which, when stationary, decay at a known rate. When moving at relativistic speeds they take longer to decay. In perfect agreement with relativity.

You are making up your own definition of speed too. What is speed? The distance covered per unit time. If an electron covers 1 metre in 0.00000000335 seconds then, by definition, it moves at = (1/0.00000000335) m/s = 3x10^8 m/s.

To claim otherwise is to ignore physics. You might as well say "It moves at a 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 m/s, we just cannot measure it". Why not say 1m/s or -3m/s or 'table' m/s ?
History may forget me, but it never remembered you in the first place.

They move into the future.
99.999999% the speed of light then Lorentz's coefficient=7071 .
99.999999%c *7071=2 119 832 449 320 m/s it is true speed of particles
(Lorentz's coefficient - 1)/true speed=speed of moving into the future s/m
(7071-1)/2119832449320=0.000000003335 s/m

dimazin
QUOTE (Ron+Mar 31 2008, 03:18 PM)
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Well. For instance I fly 519 255 768 km/s (it is my true speed). You have humble very small speed. My speed of moving into the future =0.00000000192583... Overcoming distance of 259 627 884 m for 1 second of my vital time, plus to that I move to the future for one second. I lived one second + moved into the future for 1 second = you lived 2 seconds. It shows you my speed of 259 627 884 km/s (Lorentz's coefficient =2). My theory has no increase in mass and change of distance.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 1 2008, 03:21 PM)
They move into the future.
99.999999% the speed of light then Lorentz's coefficient=7071 .
99.999999%c *7071=2 119 832 449 320 m/s it is true speed of particles
(Lorentz's coefficient - 1)/true speed=speed of moving into the future s/m
(7071-1)/2119832449320=0.000000003335 s/m

Is there a particular reason you are flat out ignoring my comment about us having evidence that the time dilation effect is in agreement with relativity?

Oh yeah, it's because you're in denial.
StevenA
QUOTE (barakn+Mar 8 2008, 05:51 PM)
So the laws of physics obey a one-second rule even though a second is a measure of time invented by humans?  laugh.gif

That's the stupidest theory I've seen all morning.


He was using the defined speed of light as c~=300,000km/s. Obviously both kilometers and seconds are arbitrary but we have to use something so he's referencing common standards in physics.

Also, a "stationary" observer is the one measuring the ~300,000km/s, because of time dilation the object moving relative to it can subjective travel much faster than light (the issue is over the total time differential for a round trip), but assuming you could predict where some distance star would be once you accelerate toward it, there's nothing theoretically stopping you from travelling 100 light years in a subjective week of time (ok, except for the truly immense realistic problems that would arise from acceleration, radiation, reaction mass, relative external acceleration of time - which creates uncertainties in determining precisely where you're going etc., but the point is that Relativity doesn't deny this, and it's interesting to consider that if there were ways to recycle and transfer momentum, you could have humanity communiting between distant areas of the galaxy on a regular basis - there are some catches though, in that if someone didn't travel and effectively dilate time, then they effectively age faster relative to others, but if the universe is continuously growing and doesn't implode in a Big Crush, then there's little of anything stopping humanity from spanning large areas of span and regularly commuting and communicating between these - again, if someone decided to "stand still" though, then they'd be effectively increasing their relative rate of aging with respect to those regularly commuting and thus you might hope to meet up with a relative on some distant planet for lunch, but if they didn't get the message and lived out their life without knowing to meet you, you could end up finding out they'd already died of old age, long ago, but if you coordinated things correctly, you could both meet up for lunch on some distant planet and then split off and each live in separate parts of the galaxy and then meet up again for a vacation elsewhere and even maintain a similar reference for time with other people as well, assuming relayed communications and time frames were sufficiently coordinated to match an equivalent lowest common rate of time for all these interactions - basically you can transmit a message ahead of someone receiving it, and plan a meeting somewhere, then you set off before actually receiving a reply. The message reaches some previously predicted location where they are or were and is relayed along a path they left, if they aren't present, this continues and the person expected to receive this signal must not continuous move a close to light speed away from a location, but they can travel at close to light speed and send back information regarding their destinations, so that messages travelling to them can intercept them ahead of their motion. You can follow along behind your message at close to light speed and when the message intercepts them, they follow the path backwards to encounter you or have it so that you just head to the expected rendevous).

Also notice that because more recent NIST conventions specify both time and distances in terms of light (based upon wavelengths and numbers of cycles), then the velocity of light isn't measurable but simply defined to be an exact value. In other words, even if light travelled effectively infinitely fast or just a little faster than you could walk, it would still be measured as ~300,000km/s and it would be our clocks and rulers that would be incorrect, according to NIST conventions wink.gif (but consider that the properties of those clocks and rulers aren't independent of the speed of light in the first place, so they can't be arbitrarily altered relative to the speed of light, though the speed of light is only one physical constant influencing the properties of mass).

I'd be less technical, but I know that the forum mafia around here enjoys tearing into any end you leave hanging open, so I have to cover more bases than I'd otherwise prefer.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 5 2008, 06:27 AM)
I'd be less technical, but I know that the forum mafia around here enjoys tearing into any end you leave hanging open, so I have to cover more bases than I'd otherwise prefer.

I love how you post such remedial BS that even a quick browse of wikipedia or a pop science book will display your lack of understand and yet claim you're 'technical'.

This is a semi-technical description of special relativity.

This is a bit more technical, though the maths is still pretty basic.

Look at the difference between your nonsense and them. You, yet again, prove you have no idea what real maths or physics involves.

If you think you have a technical understanding of special relativity or, even worse, general relativity, do you feel up to answering a few questions? I'll even start a new thread so you can show the entire forum your 'understanding'. laugh.gif
Euler
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Apr 5 2008, 06:58 AM)
I'll even start a new thread so you can show the entire forum your 'understanding'. laugh.gif

I'd like to see such a thread!
Moomin
Yup, me too, although it'd be the shortest thread in the entire cosmos.

dimazin
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 5 2008, 03:49 AM)
Well. For instance I fly 519 255 768 km/s (it is my true speed). You have humble very small speed. My speed of moving into the future =0.00000000192583... Overcoming distance of 259 627 884 m for 1 second of my vital time, plus to that I move to the future for one second. I lived one second + moved into the future for 1 second = you lived 2 seconds. It shows you my speed of 259 627 884 km/s (Lorentz's coefficient =2). My theory has no increase in mass and change of distance.

Excuse me. m/s instead km/s
dimazin
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Apr 5 2008, 04:15 AM)
Is there a particular reason you are flat out ignoring my comment about us having evidence that the time dilation effect is in agreement with relativity?

Oh yeah, it's because you're in denial.

Dilation effects is just fantasies.
AlphaNumeric
You're saying that nature is just fantasy then? How do you explain the experiments then? How do you explain that the GPS system experiences both time dilation due to motion and time dilation due to gravity is exactly the amount relativity predicts? How do you explain that particles live longer when moving relative to detectots is exactly the amount relativity predicts? How do you explain the Hafele Keating experiment, which shows time dilation even at 'normal' speeds in exactly the amount predicted by relativity?

If dilation is a fantasy, why do we measure it all the time? Every time you use GPS you measure the validity of relativity. And every time it passes.
Moomin
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 5 2008, 10:43 AM)
Dilation effects is just fantasies.

At first glimpse, I thought; why respond to this manifest cretin ..... then I decided - why not mad.gif

Go FOAD - 5 knuckle shuffle-brain.

biggrin.gif - That's better.

dimazin
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Apr 5 2008, 11:20 AM)
You're saying that nature is just fantasy then? How do you explain the experiments then? How do you explain that the GPS system experiences both time dilation due to motion and time dilation due to gravity is exactly the amount relativity predicts? How do you explain that particles live longer when moving relative to detectots is exactly the amount relativity predicts? How do you explain the Hafele Keating experiment, which shows time dilation even at 'normal' speeds in exactly the amount predicted by relativity?

If dilation is a fantasy, why do we measure it all the time? Every time you use GPS you measure the validity of relativity. And every time it passes.

Please show formulas of these calculations.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 6 2008, 03:33 AM)
Please show formulas of these calculations.

So you don't even know enough relativity to know how to compute things like that?!

The simplest way to compute all those things is to integrate the space-time metric and to use Lorentz transforms. Do you know how to do this or shall I walk you through it?

And do you understand how the GPS system works? Doubtless you won't understand the equations but do you understand and accept that it's a demonstration that time dilation is a real effect and is modelled correctly by relativity?
dimazin
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Apr 6 2008, 05:41 AM)
So you don't even know enough relativity to know how to compute things like that?!

The simplest way to compute all those things is to integrate the space-time metric and to use Lorentz transforms. Do you know how to do this or shall I walk you through it?

And do you understand how the GPS system works? Doubtless you won't understand the equations but do you understand and accept that it's a demonstration that time dilation is a real effect and is modelled correctly by relativity?

I do not trust in dilation of time. I trust in moving into the future.
Simply speed of moving to the future is more near to massive bodies.
I do not know anything.
TheDoc
QUOTE (dimazin+)
I do not know anything.


That's the first true thing you've said since you arrived! Good job.
dimazin
QUOTE (TheDoc+Apr 6 2008, 04:10 PM)
QUOTE (dimazin+)
I do not know anything.


That's the first true thing you've said since you arrived! Good job.

Your knowledges arrived from Ariadna's coffer. The Theory of Relativity made already 2 world war. Humanity goodbye.
dimazin
Pandora's box instead Ariadna's.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 6 2008, 10:46 AM)
I do not trust in dilation of time. I trust in moving into the future.
Simply  speed of moving to the future is more near to massive bodies.
I do not know anything.

So you deny experiments?
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 6 2008, 10:46 AM)
The Theory of Relativity made already 2 world war. Humanity goodbye.
Now you're just plain lying.

If you knew anything about history you'd know that the causes of the two world wars are many and complex, but none of them were due to the theory of relativity.
Grasshopper
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 9 2008, 02:48 PM)

The Theory of  Relativity made already 2 world war. Humanity goodbye.

Wow. That is incredible! ohmy.gif

Would you care to tell us how relativity caused the two wars?
Matt Holck
"Everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around"

youtube.com/watch?v=2SxO4jrimBU

I thought this gonna be about columbus and american indians and indian americans
dimazin
QUOTE (Grasshopper+Apr 11 2008, 12:32 AM)
Wow. That is incredible! ohmy.gif

Would you care to tell us how relativity caused the two wars?

Who can tell? All maybe. Would you care to tell about a concrete mistake in my hypothesis?
TheDoc
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 11 2008, 04:47 PM)
Who can tell? All maybe. Would you care to tell about a concrete mistake in my hypothesis?

You're dodging the question. How, exactly, did Relativity cause two world wars?
theory_of_nj
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 11 2008, 04:47 PM)
Who can tell? All maybe. Would you care to tell about a concrete mistake in my hypothesis?

f=ma started the american revolution rolleyes.gif
dimazin
QUOTE (TheDoc+Apr 11 2008, 05:20 PM)
You're dodging the question. How, exactly, did Relativity cause two world wars?

The greatest theory did not make expected development. World wars had come to help development.
Grasshopper
QUOTE (dimazin+Apr 12 2008, 10:15 AM)
The greatest theory did not make expected development. World wars had come to help development.

"Expected development?" It explained exactly what it claimed to. It was theoretical physics.

Please answer the question as to how Einstein's theories caused two wars?
dimazin
QUOTE (Grasshopper+Apr 14 2008, 12:48 AM)
"Expected development?" It explained exactly what it claimed to. It was theoretical physics.

Please answer the question as to how Einstein's theories caused two wars?

Forgive me. That is my error.
dimazin
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Apr 10 2008, 06:09 PM)
So you deny experiments?
Now you're just plain lying.


I deny expansion of time, instead of experiments. Only my theory is not modified to calculate dependence of speed of moving into the future from influence of masses .
I fail.
Chromodynamix
If you all hold on, I will prove there is a speed faster than light, yesterday.
dimazin
QUOTE (Chromodynamix+May 3 2008, 11:18 AM)
If you all hold on, I will prove there is a speed faster than light, yesterday.

I search for a weak place in the Relativity to strike. Your proof will help me.
dimazin
Gravitational dilation of time does not contradict my theory because it is separate calculation. My theory is incorrect because we don't know speed of the Earth concerning motionless space.
Chromodynamix
What needs to be defined is the shortest indivisible moment of time.

Usually this moment is between when the traffic light goes green and the car behind beeps you.
dimazin
QUOTE (Chromodynamix+May 13 2008, 12:41 PM)
What needs to be defined is the shortest indivisible moment of time.

Usually this moment is between when the traffic light goes green and the car behind beeps you.

I like to have a rest on the river where there are no traffic light and car.
midwestern
Photons travel how fast? Do you really know. Please, give up the equation and get into reality. dry.gif
dimazin
QUOTE (midwestern+May 13 2008, 09:16 PM)
Photons travel how fast? Do you really know. Please, give up the equation and get into reality. dry.gif

You are right. I do not know real speed of photons. But it will be more interesting to scientists to work under my theory. Because for example speed of red photons = from 5 up to 6 trillions km/s, speed of orange photons = from 6 up to 7 and so on...
prometheus
QUOTE (midwestern+May 13 2008, 09:16 PM)
Photons travel how fast? Do you really know. Please, give up the equation and get into reality. dry.gif

The speed of light is a simple experiment to do. In that sense, we are quite firmly in touch with reality. It's a shame you are not.
dimazin
QUOTE (prometheus+May 17 2008, 08:47 AM)
The speed of light is a simple experiment to do. In that sense, we are quite firmly in touch with reality. It's a shame you are not.

Ultimate speed has remained the last century. Now there are 2 speeds. The second is speed of moving into the future. Interaction of these two speeds creates effect of limited speed .
prometheus
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 10:21 AM)
Ultimate speed has remained the last century. Now there are 2 speeds. The second is speed of moving into the future. Interaction of these two speeds creates effect of limited speed .

Aside from the fact that time is not a speed as such, time and the speed of light are not independent. There is really only 1 free parameter in the problem, which is c. I suggest you learn a bit of relativity and more importantly its experimental verifications, before you start rubbishing it.
dimazin
QUOTE (prometheus+May 17 2008, 11:47 AM)
Aside from the fact that time is not a speed as such, time and the speed of light are not independent. There is really only 1 free parameter in the problem, which is c. I suggest you learn a bit of relativity and more importantly its experimental verifications, before you start rubbishing it.

The relativity has many paradoxes and dualisms. Hafale and Keating Experiment proves that the American naval observatory cannot be motionless system of counting out (there the axis of rotation of the Earth is motionless system of counting out). It means that there is no equivalent relativity. The false theory is not worthy my attention.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 01:38 PM)
The relativity has many paradoxes and dualisms.

No, it's just that you don't understand relativity.

People keep quoting the twin 'paradox' as an actual paradox. No, it's just a demonstration that our Newtonian thinking isn't correct.
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 01:38 PM)
Hafale and Keating Experiment proves that the American naval observatory cannot be motionless system of counting out (there the axis of rotation of the Earth is motionless system of counting out). It means that there is no equivalent relativity.
Except that it's retested every second of every day by millions of people every time they use GPS. And it works. It wasn't a one off fluke by relativity.
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 01:38 PM)
The false theory is not worthy my attention.
By the looks of it you've dismissed relativity without every even trying to learn it. And by the looks of it you are unable to learn it.
dimazin
QUOTE (prometheus+May 17 2008, 11:47 AM)
Aside from the fact that time is not a speed as such, time and the speed of light are not independent. There is really only 1 free parameter in the problem, which is c. I suggest you learn a bit of relativity and more importantly its experimental verifications, before you start rubbishing it.

Space is not a speed, but speed of moving in space exists.
prometheus
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 01:06 PM)
Space is not a speed, but speed of moving in space exists.

Yes, I know that.
dimazin
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+May 17 2008, 12:56 PM)

Except that it's retested every second of every day by millions of people every time they use GPS. And it works. It wasn't a one off fluke by relativity.

All this works well, but is motivated incorrectly.
dimazin
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+May 17 2008, 12:56 PM)


People keep quoting the twin 'paradox' as an actual paradox. No, it's just a demonstration that our Newtonian thinking isn't correct.

So do you recognize that the twin 'paradox' is just an invention of the liar?
prometheus
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 02:37 PM)
So do you recognize that the twin 'paradox' is just an invention of the liar?

No, It is a legit thought experiment, but it's not a paradox. Stop being such an eejit.
dimazin
QUOTE (prometheus+May 17 2008, 03:47 PM)
No, It is a legit thought experiment, but it's not a paradox. Stop being such an eejit.

The thought experiment contradicting real experiment.
prometheus
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 04:27 PM)
The thought experiment contradicting real experiment.

Prove it. Give us a reference. The fact is there is no contradiction.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 03:37 PM)
So do you recognize that the twin 'paradox' is just an invention of the liar?

It must be hard for you. Wanting to be a physicist, posting this thread and then being shown to be completely ignorant of the topics of which you speak. And rather than say "You know what, I was wrong. I didn't know enough about relativity and following your comments I'm doing to try and read about and learn about as much of it as I can. I'll post any questions I have, thanks", you desperately cling to your misconceptions and stupidity, hoping that if you repeat your ignorance about relativity enough, maybe someone will believe you are right.

No luck there Chuckles.

Do you even know how to compute, in relativity, time dilation effects? In special relativity it's pretty straight forward. Linear constant motion is so simple that even school children learn about it and how to crunch the numbers now-a-days here in the UK (though the current state of school physics teaching here in the UK leaves much to be desired...). Can you do it?

How about from the view point of non-constant motion? Or constant motion in a gravitational field? Or even non-constant motion in a gravitational field, changing distance from the source of the field? Now that's the kind of thing that GPS satellite designers had to take into account to something like parts per billion and relativity let them. And the system works.

So if Einstein was a liar, nature lies. Or perhaps the much simpler explaination is that nature doesn't lie. You do.
dimazin
You use logic of the half-truth.
prometheus
QUOTE (dimazin+May 17 2008, 04:27 PM)
The thought experiment contradicting real experiment.

I repeat:

QUOTE

Prove it. Give us a reference. The fact is there is no contradiction.


This isn't even one of Euler's maths problems, just a bit of research. If you can't find a reference that agrees with you then I'm afraid those who haven't already will have to label you as a fraud and a liar.
dimazin
QUOTE (prometheus+May 18 2008, 07:36 AM)
I repeat:



This isn't even one of Euler's maths problems, just a bit of research. If you can't find a reference that agrees with you then I'm afraid those who haven't already will have to label you as a fraud and a liar.

Like all people (including Einstein) I just a liar and a fraud.Therefore we should search for other worlds to live in another way. For this purpose we should forget the theory of relativity.
prometheus
QUOTE (dimazin+May 18 2008, 01:54 PM)
Like all people (including Einstein) I just a liar and a fraud.Therefore we should search for other worlds to live in another way. For this purpose we should forget the theory of relativity.

Well done for proving yourself a liar and a fraud.
Agent X20
QUOTE (dimazin+May 18 2008, 03:27 AM)
You use logic of the half-truth.

Whereas you simply use the logic of a half-wit.

correction - make that a 1/10^867512476 wit.

tongue.gif
dimazin
QUOTE (prometheus+May 18 2008, 04:21 PM)
Well done for proving yourself a liar and a fraud.

I am a liar and a fraud. But my theory truer than relativity.
Agent X20
QUOTE (dimazin+May 18 2008, 05:16 PM)
I am a liar and a fraud. But my theory truer than relativity.

Yup, you said it for yourself - big 1st step, admitting things smile.gif ...... another 27 geologic periods, and who-knows you might even qualify as a Algae's apprentice?

smile.gif
dimazin
QUOTE (Agent X20+May 18 2008, 05:52 PM)
Yup, you said it for yourself - big 1st step, admitting things smile.gif ...... another 27 geologic periods, and who-knows you might even qualify as a Algae's apprentice?

smile.gif

I don't hurry.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (dimazin+May 19 2008, 01:55 PM)
I don't hurry.

Oh believe me. We can tell yer just taking your sweet time... wink.gif
dimazin
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+May 20 2008, 05:51 PM)
Oh believe me. We can tell yer just taking your sweet time... wink.gif

Gods will help the offended person.
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