I will not enter into trap threads, where what you say is somehow turned and used against you.

I will make this very short statement, that if one culture, regardless of who they are and or their social station in life, rounds up a group of people, or an ethnenticity and so on, then selectively choose for whatever reason to euthanize that grouping of people, this act can be translated as murder.

There was the massacre of the Armenians at the outbreak of world war two.
Then the selected persecution and euthanasia of Jews, Poles, Slavic people and so on, in the second world war.

There is even photo archival evidence, that the Nazis tried to turn Catholic and adopt an air of social religiousosity near the end of the second world war, as it seems that they had wanted a perceived social grace about themselves.

This act by the Nazis did not stop many of these soldiers being hunted down and brought to trail later on.

The act of genocide, regardless of one’s social, political or theosophical beliefs, is after you truth table it down, is still organized murder.

More than likely in time, the offenders are hunted down, or the law of averages finds those who have committed the crime and things even up.

In the era that we are in, there is strong intimation that this act will be tried for again.

In this era, the amount of seen off world crafts over municipalities has seemed to increase.

The biggest UFO E.T. flap of its time, the Billy Meier said landings in Switzerland, is thought to be fabricated materials and circumstance.

It is known at this point in time, that many many off world races bio-genetically engineer. So supposedly simple humans might currently be looked on as a for stock, to be utilized either with or against their collective wills, for other’s genetic purposes.

The concept of a near perfect race or ethnenticity would have erred flaws within this idea and concept, due to dead ends in a contrived gene line, because of the over use genetic staleness factors.

So no, if this is the current motive for general overall abductions, then things would never be perfect within this paradise.

There would always be the need to steal from a less superior but not meddled with societies, to obtain genetic matter from.

*Note with the Billy Meier landings, the Pleadeans had their names changes to the Plejarians and a number of other irregularities are also mentioned in the Billy Meir landings.

So the question also rises, {Who were and are these people and what exactly do they want with the human herd}?

There is also a potential plaintiffs base for the past work of a Dr. Joseph Mengele, who was said to have retired to South America after world war two, but was later found, I believe by the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation.

In the area that Mengele was supposed to have frequented, there is an astounding incidence of twins births, that most geneticist and doctors of that region in Brazil, cannot explain.

So yes, if this act of people having twin births is shown to be linked with Mengele, then some that are arrived, can file suit to even the decedents of Mengele.

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It seems that genocide as a transgression of war, has been with this Earth society a long time.
In this past collection of one hundred years plus, there have been massacres it seems in the first world war, then the second. Then in the Korean and Vietnam wars.

Finally the coalition intervention into Iraq, has it seems produced atrocities on both sides involving the Iraq coalition police action.

An odd note, as to transgressions, is the social transgression at the Abu Zagreb Prison system, to where it seems that the cultural dignity of the Iraqis, regardless as to whether they were proven convicted or not, was transgressed.

So this one action mentioned here, might be considered a new style of transgression.

There have been transgressions of not known type of aliens place upon humans.
One was a father who was hit be an unidentified beam of energy from a said alien in South America. This man died in an emergency room, as a result of this attack.

Two, there was a recorded taking of an American said Air Force officer, a good while back by a witness verified said saucer craft, which had sported a cable with a claw that attached itself to the officer’s ankle, dragging him away.

He was found some time after, cut apart, it seems.

There have also been transgressions placed on a said Tau Catian some time back, tortured in Russia.
Another in cident, American involved a non typical gray sort of alien, with squat eyes and claw-like hands with long fingernails.

There was it seems not enough communications established between the U.S. medics and this form of Grays-like aliens.

The alien scratched the medic on the face with claws, to where military personnel were said to chill down these aliens captured from southern Africa via a Mirage jet fighter with a saucer downing capacity utaling a laser maser pod mounted air to air defense.

Transgressions, when they start, on both sides, seem to escalate any existing social understanding into an area of atrocity for atrocity, mistrust for mistrust.

It seems that a nuclear war, to eliminate population size, is what is in the current ante?

Most Earthlings do not know, that once a full scale nuclear exchange occurs and the atmosphere is charge with nuclear particles, that most off world saucer craft, CANNOT fly in this type of environment.

So resupply of edible stores and other items would be wiped out for months.

The Atlantian Atomic wars were said to be s very small in comparison to the atomic arsenals that Earth now has.

So going to underground caverns, might after all be a mute point.

Atrocities can limit social exchange, trade and commerce?

It is said that NASA is purposely foot-dragging on a more rapid and mass quantity series of vehicles, which could help tranplace man to off world destinations.

It is also said that government in general is obstructing any and all needed information on aliens, or the allowance of general Earth man to perceived normal sorts of aliens. This meeting could allow many to leave Earth instead of perishing in a series of holocaust?

Do not fall into the logical trap of believing that population reduction or migration to other planets are the only two options. Both are possibilities to consider, but the consequences of either should never benefit some at the expense of the well-being and happiness of others. There are, of course, positive and interesting ways for people to find alternatives to having (more) children or exploring other planets, without intimidating them into these choices. The goal should be to explore the full range of cultural options, encourage individuals to do the same, and then allow individuals to choose their own path, whether it be to have a large family or not have children at all, or to have a few children and develop a lifestyle pattern that is healthy for themselves and the planet.

Overpopulation is a culture-dependent concept. If everyone lived in motorhomes and carried all their things with them all the time, there would need to be many more roads with many more lanes and much more fuel consumption to sustain their mobility culture. On the other hand, if people drive less, use smaller vehicles, walk and bicycle more, etc. the same geographical area is able to sustain many more individuals than when people overuse space and natural resources. Therefore cultural reform is a positive alternative to population growth-restriction measures or violent reduction measures like euthanasia or other forms of killing. Why would you euthanize people when you have the option of requiring people to bicycle to work or telecommute three days a week?

Food economics are also culture-dependent. Agricultural production creates far more calories of ingestible food than could ever be consumed by every human and other animals on Earth. However, there are various cultures of food-economics that do not do enough to avoid waste and ensure access to food for those who are hungry, which is everyone. How can anyone speak of overpopulation and food scarcity until sufficient effort has been made to correct wasteful practices in food production and distribution? This is a complex problem, since overabundance has also created lots of dependency and deskilling as many people on Earth have forgotten or given up on the ability to manage their own agriculture and food supply. As a result, starvation has itself become a tool of population control, which is disturbing since food abundance makes in unnecessary to control population in the first place.

Unfortunately, it may be ethnic conflict instead of any form of scarcity that continues to motivate the lack of interest in preventing unnecessary starvation, sickness, and death. There are still far too many people in the world who see genocide, or at least the disappearance of people defined as ethnically different from themselves, as a means of securitizing their own lives and economic well-being. This is, of course, a self-destructive culture because in reality humans live as a mutually beneficial global species, not a self-eradicating and environment-eradicating one. Fear of the eradicating-nature of the species as a whole, or ethnically or politically defined sub-groups only creates destructive impulses toward those that are defined as such. If we want to reduce such destructive impulses, we have to start identifying the positive and constructive potential in those we are tempted to label as enemies. Individuals across the world are flawed, and many terrible actions take place as a result, but it never makes things better to destroy them to eliminate what they create. Humans need reform, not elimination, to make the life better for everyone.

The very idea that the two of you are even using the word "logic" in a bleating match is the funniest thing I've read all day.

For God's sake, get help.

There is an excellent book on genocide entitled, "Genocide: a comprehensive introduction" by Adam Jones

One of the major take aways from the book is that genocide often occurs during time of famine. In many of the major genocides, one of the groups has large numbers of people starving.

When there are large starving populations, they often will rise up against who they perceive to be to blame, and execute them in massive numbers. So prevention of famine is a key ingredient to cutting off future genocides.

were the Nazi's starving? i dont think so.