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philip347
You should know there is one little hitch with any says about Planet X.

It is this, picture source go to www.costtocosat.com.

Then in picture archives, go back about fifteen pages in archives, till you come to the picture titled, (artwork as translated from a dream, return of the Anunnaki)?

My title might be off a little, but that’s pretty much it.

Once you find this take a good long hard look at the illustration?

What this is said to be, is the very great grandsons of the ancient Anunnaki who might have been two or more separate races, going back to the time of Sumeria, then still further back to ancient Africa.
Since this is a prophetic dream, I cant discount the veracity of the person posting this artworks, claim.

This one piece of information, might dictate as to whether Planet X is a fabricated event, or real?

Next time you post a bait thread, try to figure out ahead of time as to whether the subject matter might be real or not.
uaafanblog
Are these the people living in giant underground caverns?
philip347
I have an exceptional military instinct.
I’ve had people that have been in the military ask me for opions on certain things that I just wouldn’t think that they would.

No. They look like they are a nano-bio-technologically engineered creature. Intelligent and by not any means stupid.

You have to watch when such items as dreams, or nagging hunches come up in your scouts and or opinion intelligence.

If you don’t, it could well cost you.

From what I saw of the illustration, they didn’t look friendly.

Note the very ancient Anunnaki were probably at first what this society now would consider space going mining bums.

This was a blend of a short type of humanoid giant and a bipedal highly intelligent sort of reptoid.
They helped African man become man and advanced ancient Sumerian culture.

The game’s all changed now. Go to the photo and you’ll see what I mean?

No’ they aren’t reptoids.
flyingbuttressman
Are you serious?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (philip347+Jul 13 2009, 09:48 PM)
I have an exceptional military instinct.
I’ve had people that have been in the military ask me for opions on certain things that I just wouldn’t think that they would.

No you don't, and no you haven't. I have an exceptional military education and background, and I can say with absolute certainty that you would be the last person whose advice I would ever seek in any military matter.
philip347
To FB, Yes.

To MjolnirPants, Tell you what. If and when they land go out to them with bottles sticks and try to spit on them.

Treat them, like you treat me and see what happens.

You people are way too sheltered to be accepted by other off world races that have traveled and are a little more socially seasoned.

You fools don’t even have an acceptable business acumen.
uaafanblog
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 14 2009, 02:51 AM)
Are you serious?

No ...

You're supposed to ask him seemingly serious questions. It would draw him out so he could expound upon all this. We need enlightening don't we?

Philboi:
Do we stand a chance? It sounds like we don't from what you're saying? Should I buy a cabin in the woods?
philip347
What this tribe here reminds me of, is teenagers that went to the zoo late and antagonized a caged tiger.
The tiger jumped the wall and mauled one of the taunters.
There seems in actuality to be very little difference between this so called mob here and those teens.

I’m telling you and I’m not kidding. If and when we have a mass landing, don’t come running to me saying you’re sorry.

For all I care they can chain you all arm to arm, leg to leg, take you aboard their ships and sell you as slaves out there.

There is no love loss between your culture and me.
I never did get use to the sadistic mean side of humans, once I went through my change.

edit; Actually I think that they'd just kill you all, after this new flu epidemic.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (philip347+Jul 13 2009, 09:53 PM)
To FB, Yes.

To MjolnirPants, Tell you what. If and when they land go out to them with bottles sticks and try to spit on them.

Treat them, like you treat me and see what happens.

You people are way too sheltered to be accepted by other off world races that have traveled and are a little more socially seasoned.

You fools don’t even have an acceptable business acumen.

If a hostile alien military were to land and attempt a traditional invasion of earth as depicted in the literature you read so often, they would be in for a serious reality check. Our collective militaries would hand them their asses on a silver platter and steal all their advanced technology before they could establish a beachhead. It would be a slaughter, plain and simple.

This is one of the reasons I disagree with your claim of an "exceptional military instinct".
You have absolutely no conception of the advantages of fighting defensively, fighting for your survival/freedom and fighting on your own home turf. Those differences are so vast that a coalition of the Chinese, North Korean, Cuban and Iranian militaries have been estimated to stand absolutely no chance of annexing the United States in a conventional war, despite their numerical advantage and our lack of any significant technological advantage over these nations.

And for the record: I'd certainly not use bottles and sticks or "baseball bats with nails in it" to attack any extraterrestrial invading force.


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  What this tribe here reminds me of, is teenagers that went to the zoo late and antagonized a caged tiger. The tiger jumped the wall and mauled one of the taunters. There seems in actuality to be very little difference between this so called mob here and those teens.

Except that the "tiger" has no teeth, can't jump, and does nothing but growl at the teens.
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  What this tribe here reminds me of, is teenagers that went to the zoo late and antagonized a caged tiger. The tiger jumped the wall and mauled one of the taunters. There seems in actuality to be very little difference between this so called mob here and those teens.

Except that the "tiger" has no teeth, can't jump, and does nothing but growl at the teens.
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I’m telling you and I’m not kidding. If and when we have a mass landing, don’t come running to me saying you’re sorry.

I'll make a note of it.
philip347
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If a hostile alien military were to land and attempt a traditional invasion of earth as depicted in the literature you read so often, they would be in for a serious reality check. Our collective militaries would hand them their asses on a silver platter and steal all their advanced technology before they could establish a beachhead. It would be a slaughter, plain and simple.



Your wrong as they could easily outflank air defenses.

Before you get all military and start to posture, you have to look at the facts.

African man became African man, because of the genetics engineering of the very ancient Anunnaki some 435,000 years ago. After this is was ancient Sumeria.

The composition of the Anunnaki then was an apparent amalgam of differing kinds of alien all with the same goal. This was to mine ores, then as a second thought influence culture.

Enter in the search words, (Ancient Anunnaki artifacts?

You should get a museum with a couple of items in there. They have one item though, and it’s a ray gun, with what looks like a crystal ruby inductor.

This weapons technology was thousands of years ago.

Now go to the coasttocost.com archives photos that I have told you about?

Takes a good look at that illustration? Its not the same Anunnaki, but a derivitative of. They’re bio-genetically enhanced engineered.

For what purpose you might ask? My answer is apparent possible military applications.

Their ships can phase jump in and out of space-time, as Einstein would have said. So if your in a modern jet fighter, your on someone’s tail and your sure you have a lock-on, then they phase out.

Their type of military could rout our collective forces in a day.

Go to the website, enter in what I’ve given you and judge for yourself?

When it comes down to it, taking advice from me, is about the same as taking advice from any trusted guide anywhere in the world.
It all boils down to that place that you stop, look down the ravine asking the guide what he or she thinks.

They most often give their honest answer, depending on how well you know them.

In the final analysis, it must be you that decides which course to take from there..?
uaafanblog
QUOTE (philip347+Jul 14 2009, 03:04 AM)
I’m telling you and I’m not kidding. If and when we have a mass landing, don’t come running to me saying you’re sorry.

For all I care they can chain you all arm to arm, leg to leg, take you aboard their ships and sell you as slaves out there.

I don't want to come running to you. I want to be prepared. You obviously know this stuff is going to happen. Are you prepared for it? How? I'd like to follow your example and be well prepared. Can you help me?

A cabin in the woods wouldn't be a good idea? Should I find a cave? Or do I just have to go along with them?
RobDegraves
OK... aside from the fact, well established by now, that Philip347 is a complete loon.. I would like to engage one thing that I think I disagree with Mjolnir about.

But first...

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When it comes down to it, taking advice from me, is about the same as taking advice from any trusted guide anywhere in the world.


Taking advice from you is like sticking wheels on a normal dog. Unnecessary and completely stupid.


Anyhoo....


Mjolnirpants


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When it comes down to it, taking advice from me, is about the same as taking advice from any trusted guide anywhere in the world.


Taking advice from you is like sticking wheels on a normal dog. Unnecessary and completely stupid.


Anyhoo....


Mjolnirpants


If a hostile alien military were to land and attempt a traditional invasion of earth as depicted in the literature you read so often, they would be in for a serious reality check.



However, a realistic alien invasion would be impossible to stop.

Assuming that any race could actually come here in sufficient numbers to invade, they would have to know so much more about science of every type that we would be like ants to them. We can barely get a probe to land on our nearest planet.

However....

It is also the reason that they would be unlikely to invade. What could they possibly want here... other than the sheer joy of killing us if you want to assume that they are like the aliens from "Mars Attacks".

One of my least favorite alien attack films is "Independence Day". In it the aliens apparently have come to Earth with a ship a quarter the size of the Moon to consume our resources.

Like what?

Energy? You could park near the Sun and get more than we ever could.
Water? Likely abundant everywhere.
Food? You just need energy and water.

Other than a taste for humans, there is nothing here you couldn't get in abundance elsewhere without fighting.... especially with that kind of technology.

Anyway... just my two cents.

AlexG
It's a cook book. It's a cook book!
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (philip347+Jul 13 2009, 11:13 PM)
Your wrong as they could easily outflank air defenses.

You're aware that we have both spaceships and fighter aircraft, right? It would take less than a year to retrofit a space shuttle with combat capabilities, and in the event of such an invasion, fighter craft would almost certainly be retrofitted with rocket engines, maneuvering thrusters and booster connections to allow them to engage in orbital operations.

Not to mention the fact that to engage our air forces, the invaders would need to be flying their own aircraft, instead of spacecraft.

There's actually a 50+ year history of planning for space warfare by almost every developed nation on this planet.

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Before you get all military and start to posture, you have to look at the facts.

I don't think you've ever stated a single verifiable fact on this forum, Phillip.




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Before you get all military and start to posture, you have to look at the facts.

I don't think you've ever stated a single verifiable fact on this forum, Phillip.




However, a realistic alien invasion would be impossible to stop. 

Assuming that any race could actually come here in sufficient numbers to invade, they would have to know so much more about science of every type that we would be like ants to them. We can barely get a probe to land on our nearest planet.

Well, if an actual belligerent alien race decided to wipe us out, we'd be pretty helpless, yeah. They wouldn't invade, they'd bombard us with KEW's from orbit until we had no more governments or military, then swing on down and wipe up the rest of the resistance. But that's not the sort of invasion people like Phillip are talking about. They don't care about what's realistic, they care about what's cool to think about, and a movie-style invasion is so much cooler than what an actual invasion would look like.

However, if you're referring to such an invasion yourself, then I beg to differ.
We have good reason to believe that energy shielding would not operate like it does in the movies, but more like a material armor that doesn't wear down. But armor can be penetrated, and energy based armor can be penetrated a bit more easily (albeit with a bit more technology required) than physical armor.
Advanced forms of physical armor wouldn't be that much of a problem, as increased density means increased weight, so they couldn't have anything too dense. Anything that isn't incredibly dense is still susceptible to standard armor piercing munitions, so we're already prepared for advanced, alien, self healing armor.
Energy weapons are by their very nature inefficient, unless there are some super-advanced physics behind them, so we likely wouldn't see too many of those, and if we did, their efficiency would result in either low rates of fire or small ammo stores, both disadvantaged when compared to modern ballistic weaponry.
Biological weapons are relatively easily detected and defeated, as are chemical weapons.
Nuclear weapons would be counter-productive, as any such invasion suggests strongly that the invaders are trying to keep our infrastructure largely intact.
Advanced aircraft might pose a problem, but aircraft which travel too fast or bank too hard hurt the pilot, and so aren't really worth it. You can't dogfight when you're blacked out from pulling too many G's.
Electronic warfare would be the area in which they have the greatest advantage, but then, most militaries here are not overly reliant on advanced electronics, and those that are tend to understand the disadvantage that comes from over reliance upon that equipment, and train their troops to operate in the event of it's loss.

Another point is the size of such an invading force. The more soldiers you pack onto a ship, the more difficult that ship is to construct, maintain and fly. The larger a fleet is, the higher the odds of loosing a ship or two. I could see 2 or 4 million invaders at most being involved in this sort of endeavor.

Finally, a generation ship is not out of our current technological grasp, and is the most likely source of such an invasion. There is no real need that such an invading force be that much more advanced than us, assuming they're willing to spend a few generations getting here. Hell, they might even have 1980's level technology (that when I estimate that generational ships moved within our technological grasp, although that's just a rough estimate, I could be off by a decade or two, either way), in which case we'd still make mincemeat of them.

OK, Really finally now: Simply because a force has advanced technology doesn't mean they have extensive military experience and complex strategies and tactics. It's possible the aliens might rely on the shock & awe of their arrival, combined with WWII-era tactics to invade earth. Hell, it's possible they may not even bother doing any intel gathering beforehand, in which case they'd likely be relying on outdated information about our military capabilities.

Technological advances can be quite potent. A modern army of 100 could easily defeat an army of 1000 relying on 1000 or even 100 year old technology. But there's a point at which technological advances produce smaller and smaller returns. We've seen this ourselves in the past 30 years. Our greatest military advances in that time have not come from the R & D departments of big defense contractors, but from the experienced drill sergeants and officers managing TRADOC, devising and adopting new and unconventional warfare tactics to teach our troops.

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It is also the reason that they would be unlikely to invade. What could they possibly want here... other than the sheer joy of killing us if you want to assume that they are like the aliens from "Mars Attacks".

This is very true. The only reasonable goal of such an invasion would be to subjugate and enslave the human population, and that's assuming quite a few things which aren't necessarily true (that the aliens practice slavery, that they don't have advanced robotics to do their menial work, etc, etc).

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It is also the reason that they would be unlikely to invade. What could they possibly want here... other than the sheer joy of killing us if you want to assume that they are like the aliens from "Mars Attacks".

This is very true. The only reasonable goal of such an invasion would be to subjugate and enslave the human population, and that's assuming quite a few things which aren't necessarily true (that the aliens practice slavery, that they don't have advanced robotics to do their menial work, etc, etc).

One of my least favorite alien attack films is "Independence Day". In it the aliens apparently have come to Earth with a ship a quarter the size of the Moon to consume our resources. 

Like what? 

Energy? You could park near the Sun and get more than we ever could.
Water? Likely abundant everywhere.
Food? You just need energy and water. 

Other than a taste for humans, there is nothing here you couldn't get in abundance elsewhere without fighting.... especially with that kind of technology.

I could imagine that aliens might want wood or animals with unique DNA structures or oil or some other unique resource found on earth, but for the most part you're right.
Plus, it doesn't make much sense to assume they want these things. If they have the tech to come here and fight for them, they'd likely have the tech to either terraform a planet and generate it themselves, or do without.
I guess the best guess as to the motives of such aliens is that they're like intergalactic vikingr, riding around looking for a good fight.
RobDegraves
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I guess the best guess as to the motives of such aliens is that they're like intergalactic vikingr, riding around looking for a good fight.


OK... let's use that as the basis, since it's the only one that makes any sense.

I bet...

That I can come up with a race with let's say.. tech 200 or so years ahead of us.. that would kick our butts in a fight for the planet.

OK.. base assumptions.

They don't want to level the planet.

They want a stand up fight.
(I disagree btw on the biological weapon theory. Imagine AIDS airborne. It would be easy enough for even us in say 100 years to design something abominable enough to severely weaken the entire Earth's populace so that it would be helpless)

They only have weapons that we can all agree are possible according to currently known laws of physics.

Do I have a bet?

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MjolnirPants
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jul 14 2009, 01:36 AM)
OK... let's use that as the basis, since it's the only one that makes any sense.

I bet...

That I can come up with a race with let's say.. tech 200 or so years ahead of us.. that would kick our butts in a fight for the planet.

I accept your bet, but this part gives me pause, as it eliminates one of my major earlier possible reasons for asserting earth's supremacy (the possibility of the aliens lacking advance strategic experience).

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(I disagree btw on the biological weapon theory.  Imagine AIDS airborne.  It would be easy enough for even us in say 100 years to design something abominable enough to severely weaken the entire Earth's populace so that it would be helpless)

AIDS would make a crappy weapon. It takes years to kill or even weaken the infected party. A weaponized Ebola strain might work better, but we still have quarantines, breathing filters and medical science to help stop it, and attacking the population wouldn't do much in the short term except piss off the defenders (who would be better prepared for such an attack) something fierce.

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(I disagree btw on the biological weapon theory.  Imagine AIDS airborne.  It would be easy enough for even us in say 100 years to design something abominable enough to severely weaken the entire Earth's populace so that it would be helpless)

AIDS would make a crappy weapon. It takes years to kill or even weaken the infected party. A weaponized Ebola strain might work better, but we still have quarantines, breathing filters and medical science to help stop it, and attacking the population wouldn't do much in the short term except piss off the defenders (who would be better prepared for such an attack) something fierce.

OK.. base assumptions.  They don't want to level the planet.  They want a stand up fight.   They only have weapons that we can all agree are possible according to currently known laws of physics.  Do I have a bet?

As I said, I'll take your bet... But on the following conditions:
1. All arguments must be based on sound physical and military principles. If you posit a technology based on known physics, and I respond by attacking it's effectiveness, you can't simply say "Well, they've fixed that. They're two hundred years ahead of us."
Conversely, I can't simply make up possible drawbacks to certain technologies without showing them to be based in sound physical and military principles.
2. All tactics and weapons must be consistent and in keeping with the stated assumptions, including the assumption about their motivations, and the assumptions that the latest in existing military tech would be disseminated among the various militaries fighting the invaders. (I can't imagine the US keeping it's military secrets secret in the face of total annihilation or enslavement by an alien race), and no new technologies would be developed during the war.

Start a new thread on it, this should be fun. smile.gif
AlexG
You guys should read Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

If they've got control of the high ground, i.e. orbit, they're half way there.

But the next half is control of the ground, and that's where lemming like numbers help.
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