Will Obama Be The Last Superman?
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"Kabbalah does not let us live our lives in the dust, but elevates our mind to the height of knowledge." Johannes Reuchlin
I percieve noblama as simply a glib con artist who has fooled
a lot of idiots and is supported by a lot of racists. No way a super anything!!!
Unfortunately he has not enjoyed much real competition. That is why
he is where he is.
a lot of idiots and is supported by a lot of racists. No way a super anything!!!
Unfortunately he has not enjoyed much real competition. That is why
he is where he is.
QUOTE (w6nrw+Aug 2 2009, 12:48 PM)
I percieve noblama as simply a glib con artist who has fooled
a lot of idiots and is supported by a lot of racists. No way a super anything!!!
Unfortunately he has not enjoyed much real competition. That is why
he is where he is.
You didn't answer my question from before: Do you believe that Obama was born in the United States?
a lot of idiots and is supported by a lot of racists. No way a super anything!!!
Unfortunately he has not enjoyed much real competition. That is why
he is where he is.
You didn't answer my question from before: Do you believe that Obama was born in the United States?
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 2 2009, 02:30 PM)
You didn't answer my question from before: Do you believe that Obama was born in the United States?
Sorry about that.
I believe that it is unlikely that he was born in the U.S. The supreme
court seems to be afraid to take on the situation perhaps to avoid race
riots if they were to confirm that he was not. That fact is part of the
reason for my inference.
Sorry about that.
I believe that it is unlikely that he was born in the U.S. The supreme
court seems to be afraid to take on the situation perhaps to avoid race
riots if they were to confirm that he was not. That fact is part of the
reason for my inference.
QUOTE (w6nrw+Aug 2 2009, 05:51 PM)
Sorry about that.
I believe that it is unlikely that he was born in the U.S. The supreme court seems to be afraid to take on the situation perhaps to avoid race riots if they were to confirm that he was not. That fact is part of the reason for my inference.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA
Go back to redneck-ville, get off the internet and go watch Lou Dobbs.
I believe that it is unlikely that he was born in the U.S. The supreme court seems to be afraid to take on the situation perhaps to avoid race riots if they were to confirm that he was not. That fact is part of the reason for my inference.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA
Go back to redneck-ville, get off the internet and go watch Lou Dobbs.
QUOTE (w6nrw+Aug 2 2009, 12:48 PM)
I percieve noblama as simply a glib con artist who has fooled
a lot of idiots and is supported by a lot of racists. No way a super anything!!!
Unfortunately he has not enjoyed much real competition. That is why
he is where he is.
How out of touch with reality can you actually be?
a lot of idiots and is supported by a lot of racists. No way a super anything!!!
Unfortunately he has not enjoyed much real competition. That is why
he is where he is.
How out of touch with reality can you actually be?
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Aug 2 2009, 08:04 PM)
How out of touch with reality can you actually be?
Unfortunately, there are no limits to how "out of touch" a human being can be.
In the case where a person chooses to bend the facts to fit his/her opinions, there is no hope.
Unfortunately, there are no limits to how "out of touch" a human being can be.
In the case where a person chooses to bend the facts to fit his/her opinions, there is no hope.
what president isnt in the skull an crossbones an maceoons?
QUOTE (lzurha+Aug 9 2009, 12:36 AM)
what president isnt in the skull an crossbones an maceoons?
What does this mean? Where do you think he is in relation to his skull? What is "an maceoons?!
What is crossbones and what is it doing here?
Did you even read the link?
Your perception is not good enough: who are the idiots, who are the racists, and what was the con?!? Or do you think your statements are enough?!
What does this mean? Where do you think he is in relation to his skull? What is "an maceoons?!
What is crossbones and what is it doing here?
Did you even read the link?
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I percieve noblama as simply a glib con artist who has fooled
a lot of idiots and is supported by a lot of racists
a lot of idiots and is supported by a lot of racists
Your perception is not good enough: who are the idiots, who are the racists, and what was the con?!? Or do you think your statements are enough?!
Obama is a great man, i love him also 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_cdbByTeNE&feature=related
Honestly, I don't know if this one could be anymore chalked full of irony than it is ... all that is missing is health care debate, and religion.
Honestly, I don't know if this one could be anymore chalked full of irony than it is ... all that is missing is health care debate, and religion.
Obama is a two-faced lying neo-pagan progressive baby killer (as is most of the democratic party lately). What is so great about that?
I proudly admit I didn't vote for Obama. It had nothing to do with race. I wouldn't vote for Obama if he was the pastiest white guy alive; I approve of Nancy Pelosi even less than Obama.
On the other hand, if a black or hispanic ran on a platform of political or moral issues that I actually agreed with, I would vote for that person, or support such a judge appointed by such a president. Unfortunately, Sonya Sotomayor isn't it either.
Unfortuanately, every vote I've ever cast in the U.S. has been for the lesser of two evils, since the best candidates never seem to make it past the primaries.
I proudly admit I didn't vote for Obama. It had nothing to do with race. I wouldn't vote for Obama if he was the pastiest white guy alive; I approve of Nancy Pelosi even less than Obama.
On the other hand, if a black or hispanic ran on a platform of political or moral issues that I actually agreed with, I would vote for that person, or support such a judge appointed by such a president. Unfortunately, Sonya Sotomayor isn't it either.
Unfortuanately, every vote I've ever cast in the U.S. has been for the lesser of two evils, since the best candidates never seem to make it past the primaries.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 23 2009, 12:33 PM)
Obama is a two-faced lying neo-pagan progressive baby killer (as is most of the democratic party lately). What is so great about that?
Wow, I just realized that you embody everything that I hate about the human race. Good job!
Wow, I just realized that you embody everything that I hate about the human race. Good job!
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 23 2009, 11:41 AM)
Wow, I just realized that you embody everything that I hate about the human race. Good job!
Hey can you name a few of those things specifically?
Why exactly do you hate me for telling the truth?
Since Obama doesn't oppose a woman's "right to choose" to kill a baby then how can you seperate him from the actual murders? As a senator and now as president, he has the power to prevent these murders, but he doesn't, and moreover, he doesn't even oppose them. Therefore he is just as guilty as those who actually do the killing.
Hitler and the Nazis murdered some six million jews plus a few million others, not to mention the total casualty numbers of approximately 50 million from WW2.
Yet more babies have been murdered by demoncrats in the U.S. since then than the number of people killed by Nazis.
God have mercy. There's a special place in hell for America and the rest of the modern western world.
Hey can you name a few of those things specifically?
Why exactly do you hate me for telling the truth?
Since Obama doesn't oppose a woman's "right to choose" to kill a baby then how can you seperate him from the actual murders? As a senator and now as president, he has the power to prevent these murders, but he doesn't, and moreover, he doesn't even oppose them. Therefore he is just as guilty as those who actually do the killing.
Hitler and the Nazis murdered some six million jews plus a few million others, not to mention the total casualty numbers of approximately 50 million from WW2.
Yet more babies have been murdered by demoncrats in the U.S. since then than the number of people killed by Nazis.
God have mercy. There's a special place in hell for America and the rest of the modern western world.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 23 2009, 12:48 PM)
Since Obama doesn't oppose a woman's "right to choose" to kill a baby then how can you seperate him from the actual murders? As a senator and now as president, he has the power to prevent these murders, but he doesn't, and moreover, he doesn't even oppose them. Therefore he is just as guilty as those who actually do the killing.
Do you think that abortion doctors actually look forward to killing babies? Do you actually think that people enjoy it? Have you considered that NO-ONE WANTS ABORTIONS? The fact is that abortion is absolutely necessary in many situations. Would you force a rape victim to carry her raptist's child? Would you force a 10-year-old incest victim to become a mother? By making abortion illegal, you turn the victims into criminals. You pro-life people don't even think about the ramifications of what you want. Are you going to arrest rape victims who seek abortions?
Idiotic.
Do you think that abortion doctors actually look forward to killing babies? Do you actually think that people enjoy it? Have you considered that NO-ONE WANTS ABORTIONS? The fact is that abortion is absolutely necessary in many situations. Would you force a rape victim to carry her raptist's child? Would you force a 10-year-old incest victim to become a mother? By making abortion illegal, you turn the victims into criminals. You pro-life people don't even think about the ramifications of what you want. Are you going to arrest rape victims who seek abortions?
Idiotic.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 23 2009, 11:59 AM)
Do you think that abortion doctors actually look forward to killing babies? Do you actually think that people enjoy it? Have you considered that NO-ONE WANTS ABORTIONS? The fact is that abortion is absolutely necessary in many situations. Would you force a rape victim to carry her raptist's child? Would you force a 10-year-old incest victim to become a mother? By making abortion illegal, you turn the victims into criminals. You pro-life people don't even think about the ramifications of what you want. Are you going to arrest rape victims who seek abortions?
Idiotic.
I know of at least one rape victim who raised her child and loves her very much. Considering that this lady is black and her child is white, as the rapist was white, it is always right there in front of her. But guess what? That is called "Love". Its something democrats seem incapable of doing.
"Two wrongs do not make a right."
Idiotic.
I know of at least one rape victim who raised her child and loves her very much. Considering that this lady is black and her child is white, as the rapist was white, it is always right there in front of her. But guess what? That is called "Love". Its something democrats seem incapable of doing.
"Two wrongs do not make a right."
And of course, there are LOTS of women who WANT abortions, because they lust enough to run around having sex with everyone in sight, but don't actually have love enough to care for their own flesh and blood.
I've run into enough of them on various apologetics forums to know. Many women who have had an abortion did so for no reason other than "birth control" and for the most selfish of reasons: "pregnancy destroys a woman's body" and other such claims.
In many cases, it is quite literally no different than murdering one's spouse or sibling over a petty matter.
I've run into enough of them on various apologetics forums to know. Many women who have had an abortion did so for no reason other than "birth control" and for the most selfish of reasons: "pregnancy destroys a woman's body" and other such claims.
In many cases, it is quite literally no different than murdering one's spouse or sibling over a petty matter.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 23 2009, 01:40 PM)
And of course, there are LOTS of women who WANT abortions, because they lust enough to run around having sex with everyone in sight, but don't actually have love enough to care for their own flesh and blood.
What a wonderful straw-man argument you set up here. Too bad that it's not founded on reality.
I see that you've met some trolls. The fact that you believe that is a testament to your tendency to believe whatever idiocy you've heard.
What a wonderful straw-man argument you set up here. Too bad that it's not founded on reality.
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I've run into enough of them on various apologetics forums to know. Many women who have had an abortion did so for no reason other than "birth control" and for the most selfish of reasons: "pregnancy destroys a woman's body" and other such claims.
I see that you've met some trolls. The fact that you believe that is a testament to your tendency to believe whatever idiocy you've heard.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 23 2009, 05:40 PM)
And of course, there are LOTS of women who WANT abortions, because they lust enough to run around having sex with everyone in sight, but don't actually have love enough to care for their own flesh and blood.
I've run into enough of them on various apologetics forums to know. Many women who have had an abortion did so for no reason other than "birth control" and for the most selfish of reasons: "pregnancy destroys a woman's body" and other such claims.
In many cases, it is quite literally no different than murdering one's spouse or sibling over a petty matter.
I've run into enough of them on various apologetics forums to know. Many women who have had an abortion did so for no reason other than "birth control" and for the most selfish of reasons: "pregnancy destroys a woman's body" and other such claims.
In many cases, it is quite literally no different than murdering one's spouse or sibling over a petty matter.
If you're opposed to abortion because you consider it to be murder, then the various reasons why women get them shouldn't be an issue. Whether it's done for the health of the mother or as a form of birth control, the result is the same. Would you take the life of your child to save the life of your wife?
Most fetal neurological studies indicate that higher brain function doesn't occur until after 20 weeks of gestation, so if you believe that consciousness defines human life, then a pre-stage fetus would not qualify. Nearly 90% of abortions take place by 12 weeks, and 98% by 20 weeks, so in light of these statistics, the vast majority of abortions are morally justified.
In regards to the moral values of birth vs abortion, what makes childbirth at this point in time such a noble act? You consider abortion as birth control to be a selfish act, are there reasons for childbirth that you could define as selfish?
Most fetal neurological studies indicate that higher brain function doesn't occur until after 20 weeks of gestation, so if you believe that consciousness defines human life, then a pre-stage fetus would not qualify. Nearly 90% of abortions take place by 12 weeks, and 98% by 20 weeks, so in light of these statistics, the vast majority of abortions are morally justified.
In regards to the moral values of birth vs abortion, what makes childbirth at this point in time such a noble act? You consider abortion as birth control to be a selfish act, are there reasons for childbirth that you could define as selfish?
QUOTE (Capracus+Aug 23 2009, 08:24 PM)
Would you take the life of your child to save the life of your wife?
That is an unfair argument because a very large number of abortions do not at all fall into that category and you know this.
What you are describing basically amounts to an "untimely birth" situation, and it is a choice I wish nobody ever had to make, but unfortunately people do have to make that choice sometimes.
In this situation, it is obviously better than one person lives if at all possible, since they would both die anyway otherwise. There is no harm done, and that's not what I'm talking about.
You know good and well that many "mothers" murder their babies with coathangers and etc, and abortion clinics are all too willing to provide a "clean" way for them to do this "safely". The democratic party openly funds, promotes and encourages these abortions, especially for teens and singles. This is murder in its purest sense: simply killing a baby, or assisting in said killing of a baby, because they are "inconvenient" or "unwanted".
That is an unfair argument because a very large number of abortions do not at all fall into that category and you know this.
What you are describing basically amounts to an "untimely birth" situation, and it is a choice I wish nobody ever had to make, but unfortunately people do have to make that choice sometimes.
In this situation, it is obviously better than one person lives if at all possible, since they would both die anyway otherwise. There is no harm done, and that's not what I'm talking about.
You know good and well that many "mothers" murder their babies with coathangers and etc, and abortion clinics are all too willing to provide a "clean" way for them to do this "safely". The democratic party openly funds, promotes and encourages these abortions, especially for teens and singles. This is murder in its purest sense: simply killing a baby, or assisting in said killing of a baby, because they are "inconvenient" or "unwanted".
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 24 2009, 02:39 PM)
That is an unfair argument because a very large number of abortions do not at all fall into that category and you know this.
What you are describing basically amounts to an "untimely birth" situation, and it is a choice I wish nobody ever had to make, but unfortunately people do have to make that choice sometimes.
In this situation, it is obviously better than one person lives if at all possible, since they would both die anyway otherwise. There is no harm done, and that's not what I'm talking about.
Actually, it is fair, because this is the cause of almost all late-term abortions, which have now been banned in several states. Good job!
There's this thing called the "morning-after pill." It's pretty handy at preventing "unwanted" pregnancies. The problem is:
1) Religious folks that run pharmacies have a tendency to refuse to sell the pill, because they consider THAT to be murder.
2) Rape is still a major cause of abortions.
3) Many women choose to get an abortion because of family reasons
4) The idea that women choose abortions as a method of birth control is unfounded, stupid and wrong.
What you are describing basically amounts to an "untimely birth" situation, and it is a choice I wish nobody ever had to make, but unfortunately people do have to make that choice sometimes.
In this situation, it is obviously better than one person lives if at all possible, since they would both die anyway otherwise. There is no harm done, and that's not what I'm talking about.
Actually, it is fair, because this is the cause of almost all late-term abortions, which have now been banned in several states. Good job!
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You know good and well that many "mothers" murder their babies with coathangers and etc, and abortion clinics are all too willing to provide a "clean" way for them to do this "safely". The democratic party openly funds, promotes and encourages these abortions, especially for teens and singles. This is murder in its purest sense: simply killing a baby, or assisting in said killing of a baby, because they are "inconvenient" or "unwanted".
There's this thing called the "morning-after pill." It's pretty handy at preventing "unwanted" pregnancies. The problem is:
1) Religious folks that run pharmacies have a tendency to refuse to sell the pill, because they consider THAT to be murder.
2) Rape is still a major cause of abortions.
3) Many women choose to get an abortion because of family reasons
4) The idea that women choose abortions as a method of birth control is unfounded, stupid and wrong.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 23 2009, 11:33 AM)
Obama is a two-faced lying neo-pagan progressive baby killer (as is most of the democratic party lately). What is so great about that?
1. Can you prove he is lying?
2. Can you prove he is neo-pagan (note: he attends a Christian Church regularly...)
3. Can you prove he's ever murdered a baby? (a fetus is not a 'baby' until it is born, by the way.)
How can you call an abortion "murder"? The vast majority take place before the baby has any higher brain functions, and those that take place after tend to be illegal, and so don't qualify as abortions. Legal abortions involve the termination of an organism which is not capable of independent life, cannot feel pain and is not self-aware.
It is even more humane than the slaughter of food livestock, and happens to an organism of even lesser intelligence and mental capacity than food livestock.
Additionally, there has been a strong correlation between reductions in overall crime and the legalization of abortions.
Finally, there are many considerations which you completely ignore, such as the potential quality of life of the child and mother, pregnancies as a result of rape, the deleterious health effects on the mother (of which there are many, and these are not controversial among medical professionals, either), and the logistical difficulties of carrying a child to term, which could result in many negative consequences, not only for the mother, but for the potential child.
1. Can you prove he is lying?
2. Can you prove he is neo-pagan (note: he attends a Christian Church regularly...)
3. Can you prove he's ever murdered a baby? (a fetus is not a 'baby' until it is born, by the way.)
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Since Obama doesn't oppose a woman's "right to choose" to kill a baby then how can you seperate him from the actual murders?
How can you call an abortion "murder"? The vast majority take place before the baby has any higher brain functions, and those that take place after tend to be illegal, and so don't qualify as abortions. Legal abortions involve the termination of an organism which is not capable of independent life, cannot feel pain and is not self-aware.
It is even more humane than the slaughter of food livestock, and happens to an organism of even lesser intelligence and mental capacity than food livestock.
Additionally, there has been a strong correlation between reductions in overall crime and the legalization of abortions.
Finally, there are many considerations which you completely ignore, such as the potential quality of life of the child and mother, pregnancies as a result of rape, the deleterious health effects on the mother (of which there are many, and these are not controversial among medical professionals, either), and the logistical difficulties of carrying a child to term, which could result in many negative consequences, not only for the mother, but for the potential child.
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Aug 24 2009, 07:05 PM)
The vast majority take place before the baby has any higher brain functions, and those that take place after tend to be illegal, and so don't qualify as abortions.
The logic of this - if it contains any logic - is that the abortions of which you do not approve are ..... not abortions? Yes?
The logic of this - if it contains any logic - is that the abortions of which you do not approve are ..... not abortions? Yes?
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Aug 24 2009, 02:05 PM)
How can you call an abortion "murder"? The vast majority take place before the baby has any higher brain functions, and those that take place after tend to be illegal, and so don't qualify as abortions. Legal abortions involve the termination of an organism which is not capable of independent life, cannot feel pain and is not self-aware.
It is even more humane than the slaughter of food livestock, and happens to an organism of even lesser intelligence and mental capacity than food livestock.
Additionally, there has been a strong correlation between reductions in overall crime and the legalization of abortions.
Finally, there are many considerations which you completely ignore, such as the potential quality of life of the child and mother, pregnancies as a result of rape, the deleterious health effects on the mother (of which there are many, and these are not controversial among medical professionals, either), and the logistical difficulties of carrying a child to term, which could result in many negative consequences, not only for the mother, but for the potential child.
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1. Can you prove he is lying?
2. Can you prove he is neo-pagan (note: he attends a Christian Church regularly...)
3. Can you prove he's ever murdered a baby? (a fetus is not a 'baby' until it is born, by the way.)
2. Can you prove he is neo-pagan (note: he attends a Christian Church regularly...)
3. Can you prove he's ever murdered a baby? (a fetus is not a 'baby' until it is born, by the way.)
1) He has already been caught in several deliberate lies, including related to his religious affiliation.
2) There is more evidence which classifies him as a neo-pagan and/or New Age rather than Christian. Just attending a christian church doesn't make him a christian any more than standing in a garage makes one a car. Obama holds no regard for core christian doctrines, quotes from the Koran publicly more often than anything else, but is in general a melting pot of beliefs, many of which are self contradictory.
Observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn-P3yAaAqI...from=PL&index=1
This deciever cannot even honestly address any of these issues he is so obviously in the dark about. If he were honest, he would see that in all three of his examples, he has taken the passages into a context they were never intended to be read. For example, read romans 13. The sermon on the mount in no way prohibits military defense or civil law enforcement. But our Harvard graduate cannot seem to comprehend that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuKbM3SnEiU...from=PL&index=5
The first quote from Obama in this second video directly classifies him as New Age/ Neo-Pagan, which explains his ties to Oprah Winfrey, and is as heretical a statement as is possible for an alleged "Christian" to make.
Yes, this last video sums it up nicely. Anyone who has ever read the Gospel of John can immediately identify Barrack Obama as a false christian. It doesn't take much more than a few statements by him of what he actually believes.
Oh yes, almost forgot, number 3.
3) Every time he voted in favor of abortion this makes him just as guilty as the people who actually did it.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 24 2009, 03:21 PM)
1) He has already been caught in several deliberate lies, including related to his religious affiliation.
Like? Any examples?
No, that's just you being a retard. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and get some facts for a change.
I actually watched your video links. You are a complete f*cktard. So what if Obama doesn't agree with your exact interpretation? There are hundreds of interpretations besides your own. You're so insecure that you can't stand it that an appointed official has a slightly different religious stance than you. I should be more offended than you. I would prefer that politicians leave religion completely out of the discussion. Words do not exist to describe your level of retardation. Go blow yourself.
Like? Any examples?
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2) There is more evidence which classifies him as a neo-pagan and/or New Age rather than Christian. Just attending a christian church doesn't make him a christian any more than standing in a garage makes one a car. Obama holds no regard for core christian doctrines, quotes from the Koran publicly more often than anything else, but is in general a melting pot of beliefs, many of which are self contradictory.
No, that's just you being a retard. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and get some facts for a change.
I actually watched your video links. You are a complete f*cktard. So what if Obama doesn't agree with your exact interpretation? There are hundreds of interpretations besides your own. You're so insecure that you can't stand it that an appointed official has a slightly different religious stance than you. I should be more offended than you. I would prefer that politicians leave religion completely out of the discussion. Words do not exist to describe your level of retardation. Go blow yourself.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 24 2009, 02:28 PM)
Like? Any examples?
No, that's just you being a retard. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and get some facts for a change.
I actually watched your video links. You are a complete f*cktard. So what if Obama doesn't agree with your exact interpretation? There are hundreds of interpretations besides your own. You're so insecure that you can't stand it that an appointed official has a slightly different religious stance than you. I should be more offended than you. I would prefer that politicians leave religion completely out of the discussion. Words do not exist to describe your level of retardation. Go blow yourself.
Regarding his lies.
Please, I shouldn't need to do all of the research on this, but even the democrats are honest enough to admit he has obviously lied many times during his campaigns in several areas. Look it up.
By the way, I can probably count on one hand, definitely two hands, the number of times I've listened to Rush Limbaugh's programming. I'm positive I have rarely, if ever, listened to an entire airing.
I do not get my theology or ideology from Rush Limbaugh. I consider most republicans to be moral liberals.
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regarding interpretations:
As Paul Washer once said, "...I didn't interpret the text. I read it...."
LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You see, it ISN'T my interpretation. That is what the Bible says, and it is completely the opposite of what Obama says.
Let's try saint Peter, shall we?
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Again, completely the opposite of what Obama has been quoted as saying publicly. As have his affiliates.
I didn't interpret the text. I read it. You can read it for yourself if you like, both the individual scriptures and the passages they come from. John 3:16, nay, lets look at the whole paragraph.
John 3:14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Again, didn't interpret anything. Simply read it. Its straightforward in plain 5th grade english. Well, it would be fifth grade english if our schools(and parents) actually taught kids how to read any more...
No, that's just you being a retard. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and get some facts for a change.
I actually watched your video links. You are a complete f*cktard. So what if Obama doesn't agree with your exact interpretation? There are hundreds of interpretations besides your own. You're so insecure that you can't stand it that an appointed official has a slightly different religious stance than you. I should be more offended than you. I would prefer that politicians leave religion completely out of the discussion. Words do not exist to describe your level of retardation. Go blow yourself.
Regarding his lies.
Please, I shouldn't need to do all of the research on this, but even the democrats are honest enough to admit he has obviously lied many times during his campaigns in several areas. Look it up.
By the way, I can probably count on one hand, definitely two hands, the number of times I've listened to Rush Limbaugh's programming. I'm positive I have rarely, if ever, listened to an entire airing.
I do not get my theology or ideology from Rush Limbaugh. I consider most republicans to be moral liberals.
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regarding interpretations:
As Paul Washer once said, "...I didn't interpret the text. I read it...."
LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You see, it ISN'T my interpretation. That is what the Bible says, and it is completely the opposite of what Obama says.
Let's try saint Peter, shall we?
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Again, completely the opposite of what Obama has been quoted as saying publicly. As have his affiliates.
I didn't interpret the text. I read it. You can read it for yourself if you like, both the individual scriptures and the passages they come from. John 3:16, nay, lets look at the whole paragraph.
John 3:14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Again, didn't interpret anything. Simply read it. Its straightforward in plain 5th grade english. Well, it would be fifth grade english if our schools(and parents) actually taught kids how to read any more...
QUOTE (Edward 3+Aug 24 2009, 02:18 PM)
The logic of this - if it contains any logic - is that the abortions of which you do not approve are ..... not abortions? Yes?
Simply because you cannot understand the logic of my arguments doesn't mean they're not there...
But since I'm such a nice guy, I'll explain it to you. Illegal abortions aren't controversial; everyone reasonable agrees they're bad, so any claim that a certain person supports them tends to be fraudulent, especially when that person has been shown to be quite reasonable. I was simply giving Quantum_Cumdumspter the benefit of the doubt.
Simply because you cannot understand the logic of my arguments doesn't mean they're not there...
But since I'm such a nice guy, I'll explain it to you. Illegal abortions aren't controversial; everyone reasonable agrees they're bad, so any claim that a certain person supports them tends to be fraudulent, especially when that person has been shown to be quite reasonable. I was simply giving Quantum_Cumdumspter the benefit of the doubt.
QUOTE (Quantum_Cumdumpster+)
1) He has already been caught in several deliberate lies, including related to his religious affiliation.
Repeating yourself doesn't qualify as proof, dumbass.
So where is it? Again, repeating yourself doesn't qualify as proof.
So where is it? Again, repeating yourself doesn't qualify as proof.
Just attending a christian church doesn't make him a christian any more than standing in a garage makes one a car.
There's more involved in attending a church than simply being there. A doctor isn't simply a person who hangs around a hospital. Nor is a car the only thing you would expect to see in a garage. A christian is the only type of person you'd expect to see attending church services.
First claim: Bullshit.
Second claim: Unsupported by any evidence.
Third claim: Actually a favorable attribute in a president.
Fourth claim: Bullshit.
First claim: Bullshit.
Second claim: Unsupported by any evidence.
Third claim: Actually a favorable attribute in a president.
Fourth claim: Bullshit.
Observe:
That video doesn't evince anything you've claimed, dumbass. It is a video of Obama demonstrating just how un-American a "christian nation" would actually be.
What issues?
What issues?
If he were honest, he would see that in all three of his examples, he has taken the passages into a context they were never intended to be read.
Really? Then prove it. Give us those exact passages, give us the 'correct' interpretation, then give us the reason why this is the 'correct' interpretation, and just to make sure you aren't pulling the wool over our eyes, show us that the consensus among experts is the same as your conclusions. Again, repeating yourself isn't evidence, nor is simply insisting that there is evidence. Put up or shut up.
That's complete bullshit. I know several well-educated christian scholars who would agree with the first statement. Hell, if that statement isn't true, then God is very immoral.
That's complete bullshit. I know several well-educated christian scholars who would agree with the first statement. Hell, if that statement isn't true, then God is very immoral.
Yes, this last video sums it up nicely. Anyone who has ever read the Gospel of John can immediately identify Barrack Obama as a false christian.
Again, this is complete bullshit. I've read the entire bible, and I disagree. Ever heard of a "no true scotsman" fallacy? Probably not, you're too uneducated for that.
Not only is that false logic (I could say that everyone who voted against stricter gun laws is responsible for every death by a registered or legally purchased gun, using that logic) but you still haven't shown that abortion is the same thing as baby killing.
Not only is that false logic (I could say that everyone who voted against stricter gun laws is responsible for every death by a registered or legally purchased gun, using that logic) but you still haven't shown that abortion is the same thing as baby killing.
Please, I shouldn't need to do all of the research on this, but even the democrats are honest enough to admit he has obviously lied many times during his campaigns in several areas. Look it up.
1. The burden of proof is yours, not ours.
2. You're lying about 'the democrats'.
What did Jesus mean by "Me?"
Did he mean "What I say," or "How I act," or "Me, personally," ?
Each of those interpretations makes the passage mean something else. Most fundies like you assume he meant the former. Many of the first generation Christians thought he meant the latter. Most liberal and well-educated Christians think he means the second, which is in agreement with what Obama said.
What did Jesus mean by "Me?"
Did he mean "What I say," or "How I act," or "Me, personally," ?
Each of those interpretations makes the passage mean something else. Most fundies like you assume he meant the former. Many of the first generation Christians thought he meant the latter. Most liberal and well-educated Christians think he means the second, which is in agreement with what Obama said.
I didn't interpret the text.
Yes, you did. You're just too stupid to realize it.
Repeating yourself doesn't qualify as proof, dumbass.
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2) There is more evidence which classifies him as a neo-pagan and/or New Age rather than Christian.
So where is it? Again, repeating yourself doesn't qualify as proof.
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| QUOTE |
| 2) There is more evidence which classifies him as a neo-pagan and/or New Age rather than Christian. |
So where is it? Again, repeating yourself doesn't qualify as proof.
Just attending a christian church doesn't make him a christian any more than standing in a garage makes one a car.
There's more involved in attending a church than simply being there. A doctor isn't simply a person who hangs around a hospital. Nor is a car the only thing you would expect to see in a garage. A christian is the only type of person you'd expect to see attending church services.
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Obama holds no regard for core christian doctrines, quotes from the Koran publicly more often than anything else, but is in general a melting pot of beliefs, many of which are self contradictory.
First claim: Bullshit.
Second claim: Unsupported by any evidence.
Third claim: Actually a favorable attribute in a president.
Fourth claim: Bullshit.
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| QUOTE |
| Obama holds no regard for core christian doctrines, quotes from the Koran publicly more often than anything else, but is in general a melting pot of beliefs, many of which are self contradictory. |
First claim: Bullshit.
Second claim: Unsupported by any evidence.
Third claim: Actually a favorable attribute in a president.
Fourth claim: Bullshit.
Observe:
That video doesn't evince anything you've claimed, dumbass. It is a video of Obama demonstrating just how un-American a "christian nation" would actually be.
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This deciever cannot even honestly address any of these issues he is so obviously in the dark about.
What issues?
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| QUOTE |
| This deciever cannot even honestly address any of these issues he is so obviously in the dark about. |
What issues?
If he were honest, he would see that in all three of his examples, he has taken the passages into a context they were never intended to be read.
Really? Then prove it. Give us those exact passages, give us the 'correct' interpretation, then give us the reason why this is the 'correct' interpretation, and just to make sure you aren't pulling the wool over our eyes, show us that the consensus among experts is the same as your conclusions. Again, repeating yourself isn't evidence, nor is simply insisting that there is evidence. Put up or shut up.
QUOTE
The first quote from Obama in this second video directly classifies him as New Age/ Neo-Pagan, which explains his ties to Oprah Winfrey, and is as heretical a statement as is possible for an alleged "Christian" to make.
That's complete bullshit. I know several well-educated christian scholars who would agree with the first statement. Hell, if that statement isn't true, then God is very immoral.
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| QUOTE |
| The first quote from Obama in this second video directly classifies him as New Age/ Neo-Pagan, which explains his ties to Oprah Winfrey, and is as heretical a statement as is possible for an alleged "Christian" to make. |
That's complete bullshit. I know several well-educated christian scholars who would agree with the first statement. Hell, if that statement isn't true, then God is very immoral.
Yes, this last video sums it up nicely. Anyone who has ever read the Gospel of John can immediately identify Barrack Obama as a false christian.
Again, this is complete bullshit. I've read the entire bible, and I disagree. Ever heard of a "no true scotsman" fallacy? Probably not, you're too uneducated for that.
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Every time he voted in favor of abortion this makes him just as guilty as the people who actually did it.
Not only is that false logic (I could say that everyone who voted against stricter gun laws is responsible for every death by a registered or legally purchased gun, using that logic) but you still haven't shown that abortion is the same thing as baby killing.
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| QUOTE |
| Every time he voted in favor of abortion this makes him just as guilty as the people who actually did it. |
Not only is that false logic (I could say that everyone who voted against stricter gun laws is responsible for every death by a registered or legally purchased gun, using that logic) but you still haven't shown that abortion is the same thing as baby killing.
Please, I shouldn't need to do all of the research on this, but even the democrats are honest enough to admit he has obviously lied many times during his campaigns in several areas. Look it up.
1. The burden of proof is yours, not ours.
2. You're lying about 'the democrats'.
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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You see, it ISN'T my interpretation. That is what the Bible says, and it is completely the opposite of what Obama says.
You see, it ISN'T my interpretation. That is what the Bible says, and it is completely the opposite of what Obama says.
What did Jesus mean by "Me?"
Did he mean "What I say," or "How I act," or "Me, personally," ?
Each of those interpretations makes the passage mean something else. Most fundies like you assume he meant the former. Many of the first generation Christians thought he meant the latter. Most liberal and well-educated Christians think he means the second, which is in agreement with what Obama said.
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| QUOTE |
| Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. You see, it ISN'T my interpretation. That is what the Bible says, and it is completely the opposite of what Obama says. |
What did Jesus mean by "Me?"
Did he mean "What I say," or "How I act," or "Me, personally," ?
Each of those interpretations makes the passage mean something else. Most fundies like you assume he meant the former. Many of the first generation Christians thought he meant the latter. Most liberal and well-educated Christians think he means the second, which is in agreement with what Obama said.
I didn't interpret the text.
Yes, you did. You're just too stupid to realize it.
Wasn´t what you said Molly - you said the majority that take place after a certain period tend to be illegal.
You were both generalising and utilising loose description for the purpose of dodging the point you were pretending to address.
You were both generalising and utilising loose description for the purpose of dodging the point you were pretending to address.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 24 2009, 03:43 PM)
Regarding his lies.
Please, I shouldn't need to do all of the research on this, but even the democrats are honest enough to admit he has obviously lied many times during his campaigns in several areas. Look it up.
You see, it ISN'T my interpretation. That is what the Bible says, and it is completely the opposite of what Obama says.
Why do you demand that the president have the same religion as yourself? For christ's sake, he DOES have the same religion as you, but he can't appease everybody. Different denominations have different interpretations. As a politician, you can't afford to offend. In fact, by offending you, he has only alienated a very small segment of the total population.
I have yet to year of one politician who has kept all his/her campaign promises. Get over it.
I was trying to think of what exactly makes your attitudes different from Islamic extremists like the Afghan Taliban. I could only think of one major difference: beer.
Please, I shouldn't need to do all of the research on this, but even the democrats are honest enough to admit he has obviously lied many times during his campaigns in several areas. Look it up.
You see, it ISN'T my interpretation. That is what the Bible says, and it is completely the opposite of what Obama says.
Why do you demand that the president have the same religion as yourself? For christ's sake, he DOES have the same religion as you, but he can't appease everybody. Different denominations have different interpretations. As a politician, you can't afford to offend. In fact, by offending you, he has only alienated a very small segment of the total population.
I have yet to year of one politician who has kept all his/her campaign promises. Get over it.
I was trying to think of what exactly makes your attitudes different from Islamic extremists like the Afghan Taliban. I could only think of one major difference: beer.
QUOTE (Edward 3+Aug 24 2009, 02:52 PM)
Wasn´t what you said Molly - you said the majority that take place after a certain period tend to be illegal.
You were both generalising and utilising loose description for the purpose of dodging the point you were pretending to address.
You've just proven that you don't understand the meaning (or spelling) of the word "generalizing".
Nor does my specific wording change anything. If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine. Especially now that I've tried to explain it to you once already.
You're such an idiot...
You were both generalising and utilising loose description for the purpose of dodging the point you were pretending to address.
You've just proven that you don't understand the meaning (or spelling) of the word "generalizing".
Nor does my specific wording change anything. If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine. Especially now that I've tried to explain it to you once already.
You're such an idiot...
I think I will invent a new unit of measurement.
Introducing the FBM Individual Human Development Index (FBMIHDI, pronounced fibimhidy)
This scale works as follows:
0 (Hitler, Pol Pot)
1 (Stalin)
2 (Vlad the Impaler)
3 (Augusto Pinochet)
4 (Napoleon Bonaparte)
5 (Hugo Chavez)
6 (JFK
7 (Abraham Lincoln)
8 (Oprah)
9 (Dalai Lama)
10 (Gandhi)
Also featured is the FBM Religious Insanity Index (FBMRII, pronounced fibimry)
0 (The popes who started the crusades)
1 (Osama Bin Laden)
2 (David Koresh)
3 (Fred Phelps)
4 (Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell)
5 (Rick Warren)
6 (Average Protestant)
7 (Average Catholic)
8 (Non-practicing Catholic)
9 (Agnostic)
10 (Atheist)
Quantum_Conundrum, you score a 4.
Introducing the FBM Individual Human Development Index (FBMIHDI, pronounced fibimhidy)
This scale works as follows:
0 (Hitler, Pol Pot)
1 (Stalin)
2 (Vlad the Impaler)
3 (Augusto Pinochet)
4 (Napoleon Bonaparte)
5 (Hugo Chavez)
6 (JFK
7 (Abraham Lincoln)
8 (Oprah)
9 (Dalai Lama)
10 (Gandhi)
Also featured is the FBM Religious Insanity Index (FBMRII, pronounced fibimry)
0 (The popes who started the crusades)
1 (Osama Bin Laden)
2 (David Koresh)
3 (Fred Phelps)
4 (Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell)
5 (Rick Warren)
6 (Average Protestant)
7 (Average Catholic)
8 (Non-practicing Catholic)
9 (Agnostic)
10 (Atheist)
Quantum_Conundrum, you score a 4.
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Aug 24 2009, 02:47 PM)
Simply because you cannot understand the logic of my arguments doesn't mean they're not there...
But since I'm such a nice guy, I'll explain it to you. Illegal abortions aren't controversial; everyone reasonable agrees they're bad, so any claim that a certain person supports them tends to be fraudulent, especially when that person has been shown to be quite reasonable. I was simply giving Quantum_Cumdumspter the benefit of the doubt.
So where is it? Again, repeating yourself doesn't qualify as proof.
There's more involved in attending a church than simply being there. A doctor isn't simply a person who hangs around a hospital. Nor is a car the only thing you would expect to see in a garage. A christian is the only type of person you'd expect to see attending church services.
First claim: Bullshit.
Second claim: Unsupported by any evidence.
Third claim: Actually a favorable attribute in a president.
Fourth claim: Bullshit.
That video doesn't evince anything you've claimed, dumbass. It is a video of Obama demonstrating just how un-American a "christian nation" would actually be.
What issues?
Really? Then prove it. Give us those exact passages, give us the 'correct' interpretation, then give us the reason why this is the 'correct' interpretation, and just to make sure you aren't pulling the wool over our eyes, show us that the consensus among experts is the same as your conclusions. Again, repeating yourself isn't evidence, nor is simply insisting that there is evidence. Put up or shut up.
That's complete bullshit. I know several well-educated christian scholars who would agree with the first statement. Hell, if that statement isn't true, then God is very immoral.
Again, this is complete bullshit. I've read the entire bible, and I disagree. Ever heard of a "no true scotsman" fallacy? Probably not, you're too uneducated for that.
Not only is that false logic (I could say that everyone who voted against stricter gun laws is responsible for every death by a registered or legally purchased gun, using that logic) but you still haven't shown that abortion is the same thing as baby killing.
One name: James Dobson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFc61fb-ZaU&feature=related
I can give many more, but you will simply ignore them like all liberals do, and try to cite ten other liars who agree with Obama, but don't know what they're talking about.
The fact is, the statement I made regarding John 3:16 and other passages clearly exlcuding Barrack Obama, that statement is so fundamental to Christianity that it is laughable that anyone who calls themself a Christian would even oppose it.
But you wanted Christian theologians and evangelists and what they teach, well, I will provide some links to their home web sites of christians of several denominations, as well as citing other sources:
Source 1:
Stephen Wells, Assemblies of God Senior Pastor and Presbyter ( over an entire region of churches).
His book, "What does the Bible say about that?":
I quote chapter 3, "What must I do to be saved?" page 29 and 30
He then went on to quote some of the same scriptures I just quoted...
Source 2: Jimmy Swaggart (non-denominatonal/pentecostal)
In spite of his own personal failures, the fact that he has written two entire volumes of Bible commentaries and countless teaching aides, not to mention planting more churches than probably all 12 of the orginal apostles combined, makes him as qualified an expert on the topic as is possible. Let us see the "Statement of Faith" for Family Worship Center, most especially points four and five.
http://www.jsm.org/what_we_believe.php
He then went on to quote some of the same scriptures I just quoted...
Source 2: Jimmy Swaggart (non-denominatonal/pentecostal)
In spite of his own personal failures, the fact that he has written two entire volumes of Bible commentaries and countless teaching aides, not to mention planting more churches than probably all 12 of the orginal apostles combined, makes him as qualified an expert on the topic as is possible. Let us see the "Statement of Faith" for Family Worship Center, most especially points four and five.
http://www.jsm.org/what_we_believe.php
The only means of being cleansed from sin is through Repentance and Faith in the Precious Blood of Christ. (Rom.5:1;Eph.2:8-9,13-18)
Regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential for personal Salvation.(Jn.3:5-8;Titus 3:5)
Let us see his actual teachings.
(I could quote a couple hundred virtually identical from him from various of his articles, magazines, and commentaries.)
What one of the largest Christian websites I know of claim as their "Statement of faith". (note that WorthyChristianForums has many, many members with seminary degrees and as well degrees and decades of research in non-religious fields.)
Anyway:
http://www.worthyministries.com/faith/
But since I'm such a nice guy, I'll explain it to you. Illegal abortions aren't controversial; everyone reasonable agrees they're bad, so any claim that a certain person supports them tends to be fraudulent, especially when that person has been shown to be quite reasonable. I was simply giving Quantum_Cumdumspter the benefit of the doubt.
So where is it? Again, repeating yourself doesn't qualify as proof.
There's more involved in attending a church than simply being there. A doctor isn't simply a person who hangs around a hospital. Nor is a car the only thing you would expect to see in a garage. A christian is the only type of person you'd expect to see attending church services.
First claim: Bullshit.
Second claim: Unsupported by any evidence.
Third claim: Actually a favorable attribute in a president.
Fourth claim: Bullshit.
That video doesn't evince anything you've claimed, dumbass. It is a video of Obama demonstrating just how un-American a "christian nation" would actually be.
What issues?
Really? Then prove it. Give us those exact passages, give us the 'correct' interpretation, then give us the reason why this is the 'correct' interpretation, and just to make sure you aren't pulling the wool over our eyes, show us that the consensus among experts is the same as your conclusions. Again, repeating yourself isn't evidence, nor is simply insisting that there is evidence. Put up or shut up.
That's complete bullshit. I know several well-educated christian scholars who would agree with the first statement. Hell, if that statement isn't true, then God is very immoral.
Again, this is complete bullshit. I've read the entire bible, and I disagree. Ever heard of a "no true scotsman" fallacy? Probably not, you're too uneducated for that.
Not only is that false logic (I could say that everyone who voted against stricter gun laws is responsible for every death by a registered or legally purchased gun, using that logic) but you still haven't shown that abortion is the same thing as baby killing.
One name: James Dobson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFc61fb-ZaU&feature=related
I can give many more, but you will simply ignore them like all liberals do, and try to cite ten other liars who agree with Obama, but don't know what they're talking about.
The fact is, the statement I made regarding John 3:16 and other passages clearly exlcuding Barrack Obama, that statement is so fundamental to Christianity that it is laughable that anyone who calls themself a Christian would even oppose it.
But you wanted Christian theologians and evangelists and what they teach, well, I will provide some links to their home web sites of christians of several denominations, as well as citing other sources:
Source 1:
Stephen Wells, Assemblies of God Senior Pastor and Presbyter ( over an entire region of churches).
His book, "What does the Bible say about that?":
I quote chapter 3, "What must I do to be saved?" page 29 and 30
QUOTE
"Those who will be saved are those who are "born-again," God's "elect," whose names are written in the "Lambs book of life." God's "elect" are those whom God foreknew would believe in His Son, and by faith accept the great salvation that Jessu Christ paid for at Calvary. These are those who, after hearing the Gospel, choose to believe in Jesus Christ by their own free will. Let me show you a few scriptures..."
He then went on to quote some of the same scriptures I just quoted...
Source 2: Jimmy Swaggart (non-denominatonal/pentecostal)
In spite of his own personal failures, the fact that he has written two entire volumes of Bible commentaries and countless teaching aides, not to mention planting more churches than probably all 12 of the orginal apostles combined, makes him as qualified an expert on the topic as is possible. Let us see the "Statement of Faith" for Family Worship Center, most especially points four and five.
http://www.jsm.org/what_we_believe.php
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| QUOTE |
| "Those who will be saved are those who are "born-again," God's "elect," whose names are written in the "Lambs book of life." God's "elect" are those whom God foreknew would believe in His Son, and by faith accept the great salvation that Jessu Christ paid for at Calvary. These are those who, after hearing the Gospel, choose to believe in Jesus Christ by their own free will. Let me show you a few scriptures..." |
He then went on to quote some of the same scriptures I just quoted...
Source 2: Jimmy Swaggart (non-denominatonal/pentecostal)
In spite of his own personal failures, the fact that he has written two entire volumes of Bible commentaries and countless teaching aides, not to mention planting more churches than probably all 12 of the orginal apostles combined, makes him as qualified an expert on the topic as is possible. Let us see the "Statement of Faith" for Family Worship Center, most especially points four and five.
http://www.jsm.org/what_we_believe.php
The only means of being cleansed from sin is through Repentance and Faith in the Precious Blood of Christ. (Rom.5:1;Eph.2:8-9,13-18)
Regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential for personal Salvation.(Jn.3:5-8;Titus 3:5)
Let us see his actual teachings.
(I could quote a couple hundred virtually identical from him from various of his articles, magazines, and commentaries.)
QUOTE
In fact, there is no deliverance, no victory, no Salvation outside of the Cross of Christ. As the song says, "All else is sinking sand."
Direct quote taken from "The Evangelist", Nov. 2008, page 8.What one of the largest Christian websites I know of claim as their "Statement of faith". (note that WorthyChristianForums has many, many members with seminary degrees and as well degrees and decades of research in non-religious fields.)
Anyway:
http://www.worthyministries.com/faith/
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| In fact, there is no deliverance, no victory, no Salvation outside of the Cross of Christ. As the song says, "All else is sinking sand." |
Direct quote taken from "The Evangelist", Nov. 2008, page 8.
What one of the largest Christian websites I know of claim as their "Statement of faith". (note that WorthyChristianForums has many, many members with seminary degrees and as well degrees and decades of research in non-religious fields.)
Anyway:
http://www.worthyministries.com/faith/
We believe that everyone is in need of God's salvation. Mankind is absolutely unable to fulfill the heavy demands of God's righteousness, holiness and glory. Therefore, God, in sending His Only Begotten Son, has accomplished redemption for us through the shedding of Jesus' blood. Because of His Son's death, God has forgiven us of our sins, reconciled us to Himself, and justified us by making Him our righteousness.
We believe that salvation is a gift received by faith alone, in Messiah alone, and is expressed in the individual’s recognition and repentance of sin, and the acceptance of the risen Messiah as Saviour, Lord and God.
We believe in the supreme Lordship of Jesus Christ, before whom every knee in heaven and on earth will bow. And that there is no other name under Heaven by which we can approach the holy throne of God. Jesus Christ is the one and only mediator between God and man.
What one of the largest Christian websites I know of claim as their "Statement of faith". (note that WorthyChristianForums has many, many members with seminary degrees and as well degrees and decades of research in non-religious fields.)
Anyway:
http://www.worthyministries.com/faith/
We believe that everyone is in need of God's salvation. Mankind is absolutely unable to fulfill the heavy demands of God's righteousness, holiness and glory. Therefore, God, in sending His Only Begotten Son, has accomplished redemption for us through the shedding of Jesus' blood. Because of His Son's death, God has forgiven us of our sins, reconciled us to Himself, and justified us by making Him our righteousness.
We believe that salvation is a gift received by faith alone, in Messiah alone, and is expressed in the individual’s recognition and repentance of sin, and the acceptance of the risen Messiah as Saviour, Lord and God.
We believe in the supreme Lordship of Jesus Christ, before whom every knee in heaven and on earth will bow. And that there is no other name under Heaven by which we can approach the holy throne of God. Jesus Christ is the one and only mediator between God and man.
(emphasis mine.)
LETS LOOK AT COMMENTARY WRITTEN BY BIBLE SCHOLARS AND THEOLOGIANS.
Passages in question:
Acts 4:12
John Gill, commentary on the book of acts:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/Commentarie...xt=013&prev=011
I can go on for quite a while with this, but this is laughably un-necessary. This is so central to Christian teaching that it is very nearly the only thing that ever gets taught in some churches.
LETS LOOK AT COMMENTARY WRITTEN BY BIBLE SCHOLARS AND THEOLOGIANS.
Passages in question:
Acts 4:12
John Gill, commentary on the book of acts:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/Commentarie...xt=013&prev=011
QUOTE
God resolved in his purposes and decrees, in his council and covenant, upon the salvation of his chosen people; and he appointed his Son to be the salvation of them, and determined he would save them by him, and by no other, and in no other way; wherefore, whoever are saved, must be saved by him,
(emphasis mine.)I can go on for quite a while with this, but this is laughably un-necessary. This is so central to Christian teaching that it is very nearly the only thing that ever gets taught in some churches.
The fact of the matter is, Barrack Obama's statement as quoted from the website and CNN and FOX news, makes him a heretic, and as stated, specifically defines him as a New Age/Neo-pagan, due to his "all roads lead to heaven" mentality.
Which is again, in direct contradiction to Jesus' own teachings.
The sermon on the mount, which Obama so despises:
Matthew 7:13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Thus I once again stand by my position that Obama is not a Christian and is a liar.
He is either lying about his beliefs, or else he is too stupid/lazy and doesn't even know what he believes. Either way, he isn't a Christian.
Which is again, in direct contradiction to Jesus' own teachings.
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Matthew 22:8Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14For many are called, but few are chosen.
9Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14For many are called, but few are chosen.
The sermon on the mount, which Obama so despises:
Matthew 7:13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Thus I once again stand by my position that Obama is not a Christian and is a liar.
He is either lying about his beliefs, or else he is too stupid/lazy and doesn't even know what he believes. Either way, he isn't a Christian.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 24 2009, 05:00 PM)
Thus I once again stand by my position that Obama is not a Christian and is a liar.
He is either lying about his beliefs, or else he is too stupid/lazy and doesn't even know what he believes. Either way, he isn't a Christian.
Thank god Obama isn't your flavor of "Christian." You seem to have completely forgotten:
Your faith is so repulsive that even George Bush Jr. (a president that I greatly dislike) would find it to extreme. You, sir, are a religious extremist. You are a disgusting human being.
He is either lying about his beliefs, or else he is too stupid/lazy and doesn't even know what he believes. Either way, he isn't a Christian.
Thank god Obama isn't your flavor of "Christian." You seem to have completely forgotten:
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Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Your faith is so repulsive that even George Bush Jr. (a president that I greatly dislike) would find it to extreme. You, sir, are a religious extremist. You are a disgusting human being.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 24 2009, 04:14 PM)
Thank god Obama isn't your flavor of "Christian." You seem to have completely forgotten:
Your faith is so repulsive that even George Bush Jr. (a president that I greatly dislike) would find it to extreme. You, sir, are a religious extremist. You are a disgusting human being.
1) My "flavor" of Christian is the only one who has ever legitimately existed. I tire of doing all the work for you, but if you care to study the teachings of Salvation of almost anyone in any mainline protestant denomination or even in Catholicism, you will get exactly the same thing I have here stated, with some variation in terminology. The farther back you go, the more the authors will agree with what I have said.
The entire Protestant church world, with very, very few exceptions, holds that as their statement of faith. You can check the baptist denominations, pentecostals, the older lutheran, episcopal and methodist churches and on and on. The pentecostals alone represent approximately 300 million people, the two largest categories being "assemblies of God" and "church of God," both of which have virtually identical teaching. Then there are the baptists (see Paul Washer), which is several hundred million more, and etc.
2) I consider George Bush Jr. to be a liberal and a neo-pagan too. Based on his own arguments used to justify his reasoning for the "under God" in the pledge and others, he does not subscribe to the teachings of the Bible any more than Obama does.
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"Judge not that ye be not judged"
Let us look in the context, as well as other passages with similar topics, and show why this passage is always wrongfully used by liberals. It seems to be the only passage liberals can remember, if they can't remember anything else..."judge not, judge not, blah, blah, blah."
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
What "measure" did I judge by? Oh yes, the very words of Jesus himself. I infact made no judgement at all, I simply quoted and/or paraphrased what Jesus said about himself, and compared what Obama said about what he believes. The two are diametrically opposed.
I will surely be judged by my words, and my words in most cases as it regards this topic were paraphrases and direct quotes from Jesus and the apostles, compared to statements made by individuals publicly.
Again, I do not need to pass any judgement, as Jesus and the apostles discussed these matters repeatedly and have already passed the judgment. It has nothing to do with me. You will be guilty whether or not I tell you, but if I do not tell you, then I am guilty of disobeying the command to tell you.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
My judgment has nothing to do with it. The false doctrine of "all roads lead to heaven" was opposed by Jesus directly on several occsions many of which I have already pointed out, but let me here quote Jesus again on this matter.
John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
What the catholic church teaches about salvation:
http://ewtn.com/faith/teachings/rdmpa1.htm
"The Center of Christianity is the Cross of Christ"
http://ewtn.com/faith/teachings/rdmpb2.htm
and I quote:
This is from a catholic website addressing protestant believers, attempting to encourage them to re-join catholicism. As you can see, the most central doctrine of the Catholic Church is the same as the protestant church, is exactly what I have here stated. Jesus Christ Crucified is the ONLY means of salvation.
This is what Christianity teaches, and it is what the Bible has always taught. It makes no difference what your favorite liberal theologian or your favorite talk show host thinks about the topic. To quote Jesus, "What saith the scripture?"
Well, I already showed what the scriptures say, and as well what major theologians from all major denominations and non-denominations have always taught, for just under 2000 years now. Well, really this was taught before the incarnation, but that is a more complicated matter. If you cannot understand something as plain as Acts 4:12, then passover from Exodus and the sacrificial system from Leviticus, which foreshadows and prophesies the coming of Christ, will surely be...difficult...reading.
Your faith is so repulsive that even George Bush Jr. (a president that I greatly dislike) would find it to extreme. You, sir, are a religious extremist. You are a disgusting human being.
1) My "flavor" of Christian is the only one who has ever legitimately existed. I tire of doing all the work for you, but if you care to study the teachings of Salvation of almost anyone in any mainline protestant denomination or even in Catholicism, you will get exactly the same thing I have here stated, with some variation in terminology. The farther back you go, the more the authors will agree with what I have said.
The entire Protestant church world, with very, very few exceptions, holds that as their statement of faith. You can check the baptist denominations, pentecostals, the older lutheran, episcopal and methodist churches and on and on. The pentecostals alone represent approximately 300 million people, the two largest categories being "assemblies of God" and "church of God," both of which have virtually identical teaching. Then there are the baptists (see Paul Washer), which is several hundred million more, and etc.
2) I consider George Bush Jr. to be a liberal and a neo-pagan too. Based on his own arguments used to justify his reasoning for the "under God" in the pledge and others, he does not subscribe to the teachings of the Bible any more than Obama does.
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"Judge not that ye be not judged"
Let us look in the context, as well as other passages with similar topics, and show why this passage is always wrongfully used by liberals. It seems to be the only passage liberals can remember, if they can't remember anything else..."judge not, judge not, blah, blah, blah."
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
What "measure" did I judge by? Oh yes, the very words of Jesus himself. I infact made no judgement at all, I simply quoted and/or paraphrased what Jesus said about himself, and compared what Obama said about what he believes. The two are diametrically opposed.
I will surely be judged by my words, and my words in most cases as it regards this topic were paraphrases and direct quotes from Jesus and the apostles, compared to statements made by individuals publicly.
Again, I do not need to pass any judgement, as Jesus and the apostles discussed these matters repeatedly and have already passed the judgment. It has nothing to do with me. You will be guilty whether or not I tell you, but if I do not tell you, then I am guilty of disobeying the command to tell you.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
My judgment has nothing to do with it. The false doctrine of "all roads lead to heaven" was opposed by Jesus directly on several occsions many of which I have already pointed out, but let me here quote Jesus again on this matter.
John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
What the catholic church teaches about salvation:
http://ewtn.com/faith/teachings/rdmpa1.htm
"The Center of Christianity is the Cross of Christ"
http://ewtn.com/faith/teachings/rdmpb2.htm
and I quote:
QUOTE
There is a chasm between Christianity that is real and Christianity that is contaminated with the contagion of its time. Christianity that is decayed never speaks of the Cross except to scream against it, "Come down from that cross and then we will believe."
Do not assume that because people are prominent or articulate or famous or well-thought of in religion, that because they appear on Lecture Forums, lead Programs, Congresses, Seminars, write syndicated columns, that because they are so active, they have insight into the ways of God. They may. They may not. There is one test of authenticity: it is the Cross. Do they believe that the world is saved by the Cross and Passion of Jesus Christ?
That is the test. It is not enough to profess the formula, "For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, He suffered, died and was buried." If we do not see the Passion of the Lord as central to our lives we are not seeing the real universe--the universe that Faith reveals. We may be famous, prominent, articulate, active but if we do not see the Cross at the center of Christianity we see everything out of focus.
Do not assume that because people are prominent or articulate or famous or well-thought of in religion, that because they appear on Lecture Forums, lead Programs, Congresses, Seminars, write syndicated columns, that because they are so active, they have insight into the ways of God. They may. They may not. There is one test of authenticity: it is the Cross. Do they believe that the world is saved by the Cross and Passion of Jesus Christ?
That is the test. It is not enough to profess the formula, "For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, He suffered, died and was buried." If we do not see the Passion of the Lord as central to our lives we are not seeing the real universe--the universe that Faith reveals. We may be famous, prominent, articulate, active but if we do not see the Cross at the center of Christianity we see everything out of focus.
This is from a catholic website addressing protestant believers, attempting to encourage them to re-join catholicism. As you can see, the most central doctrine of the Catholic Church is the same as the protestant church, is exactly what I have here stated. Jesus Christ Crucified is the ONLY means of salvation.
This is what Christianity teaches, and it is what the Bible has always taught. It makes no difference what your favorite liberal theologian or your favorite talk show host thinks about the topic. To quote Jesus, "What saith the scripture?"
Well, I already showed what the scriptures say, and as well what major theologians from all major denominations and non-denominations have always taught, for just under 2000 years now. Well, really this was taught before the incarnation, but that is a more complicated matter. If you cannot understand something as plain as Acts 4:12, then passover from Exodus and the sacrificial system from Leviticus, which foreshadows and prophesies the coming of Christ, will surely be...difficult...reading.
Quantum_Conundrum,
The amount of confidence that you place in your own interpretation is frightening. You've already made your decisions, political and otherwise, and you bend the scriptures to support your worldview.
Liberals aren't "out to get you." In case you haven't noticed, liberals are currently trying to reduce the cost of your health care. Whether or not they will be successful remains to be seen, but at least they are trying. George W. Asswipe didn't do sh*t to help the middle class, and you Republicans think that he had your best interests in mind. Laughable.
The amount of confidence that you place in your own interpretation is frightening. You've already made your decisions, political and otherwise, and you bend the scriptures to support your worldview.
Liberals aren't "out to get you." In case you haven't noticed, liberals are currently trying to reduce the cost of your health care. Whether or not they will be successful remains to be seen, but at least they are trying. George W. Asswipe didn't do sh*t to help the middle class, and you Republicans think that he had your best interests in mind. Laughable.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 24 2009, 06:34 PM)
Quantum_Conundrum,
The amount of confidence that you place in your own interpretation is frightening. You've already made your decisions, political and otherwise, and you bend the scriptures to support your worldview.
Liberals aren't "out to get you." In case you haven't noticed, liberals are currently trying to reduce the cost of your health care. Whether or not they will be successful remains to be seen, but at least they are trying. George W. Asswipe didn't do sh*t to help the middle class, and you Republicans think that he had your best interests in mind. Laughable.
First of all, I'm not a republican.
If any half decent independent candidate actually got on the ballot, I would vote for them, depending on what they say on the issues.
wait, how have I bend scriptures?
What did Jesus say? What I said is irrelevant. What did the text say?
"No man cometh to the Father but by me..." Those are not my words, they are Jesus' words.
I have never had much of any confidence in Bush past 2003. The only reason I voted for him either time is because the other guy was an even bigger idiot. He had the audacity to call Islam a "religion of peace and love," when in fact it has never been anything other than a religion of aggression, murder, rape, pedophilia, and other abuses of women.
I seriously doubt very many, if any of our leaders from either of the major political parties has anyone's best interest in mind, other than their own pockets.
Ok, lets talk about some political issues if you want to. What do you think I believe abotu the major issues in this country? I'll tell you.
To be honest, in some regards, I am very much a socialist. A socialist anarchy, and later a socialist kingdom were the two government systems given in the Bible, after all.
I am for:
-capping all CEO compensation relative to average employee compensation. This is still flexible enough to reward success, but requires employers to pay their employees a fair share.
Note that "compensation" includes salary and all non-salary income. Anything that can be classified as "earned income" for tax purposes. This does not prohibit someone from having investment income.
Compensation in excess of the threshold shall be confiscated and distributed among the employees.
-capping all commercial atheletes, commercial sports coaches and managers, and commercial entertainer's income SIGNIFICANTLY lower than current average. Glorified circus clowns are not worth as much to civilization as doctors, engineers, lawyers, law enforcement, rescue workers, production workers, assembly workers, janitors, etc. A guy who throws a football around should not be getting paid 10, 20, 50 times as much as someone who teaches high school.
If someone cannot live like a king on $500,000 per year, they are too stupid and irresponsible to deserve any more. And I would prefer the cap to be even less than that for sports.
-Digitization of currency and all transactions, including insurance, investments, medicare, social security, etc, for record keeping, law enforcement, and tax purposes.
-The complete and total prohibition of alcohol and tobacco, along with marijauna. This is not to be contested. The track record of these substances is well known, in that a major portion of all traffic accidents and domestic(and public) violence involve alcohol. A major portion of all mouth and lung cancers involve tobacco or marijuana. These things have no place in a rational civilization.
- One cent tax on all email transactions; charged to the sender, not the recipient. Although I haven't thought of a way to enforce this. The point here is it makes spam too expensive for the perpetrator to continue to exist, while not being prohibitive to honest people. If you send one message, that's one cent. If you send ten million messages, that $100,000 dollars, which is not cheap at all.
- An ammendment to put a cap on the salary of all government officials of all branches of government, and legislation requiring a 2/3 majority vote OF THE PEOPLE to give a raise to a public office.
- An ammendment to limit the maximum number of terms of a federal government official to two terms total at the federal government level. That is they can be 2 terms senator, or 2 terms representative, or 1 as senator and 1 as representative, or 1 senator and 1 president, or 1 president and 1 supreme court justice, etc.
- An ammendment to limit the term of federal judges, including supreme court justices, to a relatively small time, whereby the PEOPLE vote for the new justices of their respective jurisdictions who are accountable to the people, rather than some aristocracy.
-certain massive wind and solar farming projects too large to be adequately described in this post, which would be capable of powering almost all transportation and residential needs.
-Government vouchers and tax incentives to companies willing to invest in archology style dwelling places, as well as vouchers and tax incentives to anyone willing to live in them.
- the complete reconstruction, re-planning, re-developement of the infrastructure of many cities and states from bottom up on a scale which dwarfs anything any politician is proposing.
- A "build at your own risk" law for any place listed as below the average storm surge level of a medium size 180mph landfalling category 5 hurricane(labor day hurricane). The sale of flood insurance and home owner's insurance and similar policies to such houses and businesses shall be prohibited. Existing policies shall be grandfathered in, however, upon the first such claim, the policy shall be cancelled and any value paid in exceeding such claim shall be re-imbursed to the owner of the policy, upon which they may then choose to continue living in that location at their own risk, or they may move away.
It is not the fault of people throughout the nation when fools build their dwellings in known flood zones and regional catastrophe zones, or in a virtual fish tank such as New Orleans. I say this as a Louisiana resident. Under this law, the government is NOT responsible for "rescuing" idiots who willfully stay behind to ride out a storm. The people from other areas who paid into the same insurance policies or the same government programs should not be penalized for the foolishness of people who willfully choose to live at or below known or calculated catastrophic event levels. It is unreasonable for someone in Arkansas to have paid into an insurance policy year after year, but now the insurer is broke because of hurricanes, because everyone seems to have lost their mind building on barrier islands and sand pits. (The fool built his house upon the sand?)
Ok, well, those are some of the things I stand for regarding matters of law and economics.
The amount of confidence that you place in your own interpretation is frightening. You've already made your decisions, political and otherwise, and you bend the scriptures to support your worldview.
Liberals aren't "out to get you." In case you haven't noticed, liberals are currently trying to reduce the cost of your health care. Whether or not they will be successful remains to be seen, but at least they are trying. George W. Asswipe didn't do sh*t to help the middle class, and you Republicans think that he had your best interests in mind. Laughable.
First of all, I'm not a republican.
If any half decent independent candidate actually got on the ballot, I would vote for them, depending on what they say on the issues.
wait, how have I bend scriptures?
What did Jesus say? What I said is irrelevant. What did the text say?
"No man cometh to the Father but by me..." Those are not my words, they are Jesus' words.
I have never had much of any confidence in Bush past 2003. The only reason I voted for him either time is because the other guy was an even bigger idiot. He had the audacity to call Islam a "religion of peace and love," when in fact it has never been anything other than a religion of aggression, murder, rape, pedophilia, and other abuses of women.
I seriously doubt very many, if any of our leaders from either of the major political parties has anyone's best interest in mind, other than their own pockets.
Ok, lets talk about some political issues if you want to. What do you think I believe abotu the major issues in this country? I'll tell you.
To be honest, in some regards, I am very much a socialist. A socialist anarchy, and later a socialist kingdom were the two government systems given in the Bible, after all.
I am for:
-capping all CEO compensation relative to average employee compensation. This is still flexible enough to reward success, but requires employers to pay their employees a fair share.
Note that "compensation" includes salary and all non-salary income. Anything that can be classified as "earned income" for tax purposes. This does not prohibit someone from having investment income.
Compensation in excess of the threshold shall be confiscated and distributed among the employees.
-capping all commercial atheletes, commercial sports coaches and managers, and commercial entertainer's income SIGNIFICANTLY lower than current average. Glorified circus clowns are not worth as much to civilization as doctors, engineers, lawyers, law enforcement, rescue workers, production workers, assembly workers, janitors, etc. A guy who throws a football around should not be getting paid 10, 20, 50 times as much as someone who teaches high school.
If someone cannot live like a king on $500,000 per year, they are too stupid and irresponsible to deserve any more. And I would prefer the cap to be even less than that for sports.
-Digitization of currency and all transactions, including insurance, investments, medicare, social security, etc, for record keeping, law enforcement, and tax purposes.
-The complete and total prohibition of alcohol and tobacco, along with marijauna. This is not to be contested. The track record of these substances is well known, in that a major portion of all traffic accidents and domestic(and public) violence involve alcohol. A major portion of all mouth and lung cancers involve tobacco or marijuana. These things have no place in a rational civilization.
- One cent tax on all email transactions; charged to the sender, not the recipient. Although I haven't thought of a way to enforce this. The point here is it makes spam too expensive for the perpetrator to continue to exist, while not being prohibitive to honest people. If you send one message, that's one cent. If you send ten million messages, that $100,000 dollars, which is not cheap at all.
- An ammendment to put a cap on the salary of all government officials of all branches of government, and legislation requiring a 2/3 majority vote OF THE PEOPLE to give a raise to a public office.
- An ammendment to limit the maximum number of terms of a federal government official to two terms total at the federal government level. That is they can be 2 terms senator, or 2 terms representative, or 1 as senator and 1 as representative, or 1 senator and 1 president, or 1 president and 1 supreme court justice, etc.
- An ammendment to limit the term of federal judges, including supreme court justices, to a relatively small time, whereby the PEOPLE vote for the new justices of their respective jurisdictions who are accountable to the people, rather than some aristocracy.
-certain massive wind and solar farming projects too large to be adequately described in this post, which would be capable of powering almost all transportation and residential needs.
-Government vouchers and tax incentives to companies willing to invest in archology style dwelling places, as well as vouchers and tax incentives to anyone willing to live in them.
- the complete reconstruction, re-planning, re-developement of the infrastructure of many cities and states from bottom up on a scale which dwarfs anything any politician is proposing.
- A "build at your own risk" law for any place listed as below the average storm surge level of a medium size 180mph landfalling category 5 hurricane(labor day hurricane). The sale of flood insurance and home owner's insurance and similar policies to such houses and businesses shall be prohibited. Existing policies shall be grandfathered in, however, upon the first such claim, the policy shall be cancelled and any value paid in exceeding such claim shall be re-imbursed to the owner of the policy, upon which they may then choose to continue living in that location at their own risk, or they may move away.
It is not the fault of people throughout the nation when fools build their dwellings in known flood zones and regional catastrophe zones, or in a virtual fish tank such as New Orleans. I say this as a Louisiana resident. Under this law, the government is NOT responsible for "rescuing" idiots who willfully stay behind to ride out a storm. The people from other areas who paid into the same insurance policies or the same government programs should not be penalized for the foolishness of people who willfully choose to live at or below known or calculated catastrophic event levels. It is unreasonable for someone in Arkansas to have paid into an insurance policy year after year, but now the insurer is broke because of hurricanes, because everyone seems to have lost their mind building on barrier islands and sand pits. (The fool built his house upon the sand?)
Ok, well, those are some of the things I stand for regarding matters of law and economics.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 24 2009, 09:07 PM)
First of all, I'm not a republican.
So, socialism plus social control... Sounds like a bit like Fascist.
It's called picking and choosing. I'm not saying that that statement per-se is wrong, but your attitude towards abortion is. If you think that it's ok to massacre whole cities worth of "sinners" but it's murder to destroy a clump of cells, you're seriously f*cked up in the head.
It's called picking and choosing. I'm not saying that that statement per-se is wrong, but your attitude towards abortion is. If you think that it's ok to massacre whole cities worth of "sinners" but it's murder to destroy a clump of cells, you're seriously f*cked up in the head.
I have never had much of any confidence in Bush past 2003. The only reason I voted for him either time is because the other guy was an even bigger idiot. He had the audacity to call Islam a "religion of peace and love," when in fact it has never been anything other than a religion of aggression, murder, rape, pedophilia, and other abuses of women.
Bush painted himself as an idiot back in 2000 when he couldn't figure out how to use a map. That should have been an early warning sign. Al Gore is a very smart man, but he lost the election because of his lack of charisma. Christianity and Islam are on equal footing when it comes to "love and peace." Remember the crusades? Apparently not.
Welcome to capitalism.
Welcome to capitalism.
A socialist anarchy, and later a socialist kingdom were the two government systems given in the Bible, after all.
If you want a theocracy, move to Iran. I've heard it's wonderful there. Requiring everybody to subscribe to one belief system is called Fascism.
As much as I dislike capitalism sometimes, money has an interesting ability to nurture talent. If all CEO's are paid the same, how do you attract new talent?
As much as I dislike capitalism sometimes, money has an interesting ability to nurture talent. If all CEO's are paid the same, how do you attract new talent?
capping all commercial atheletes, commercial sports coaches and managers, and commercial entertainer's income SIGNIFICANTLY lower than current average. Glorified circus clowns are not worth as much to civilization as doctors, engineers, lawyers, law enforcement, rescue workers, production workers, assembly workers, janitors, etc. A guy who throws a football around should not be getting paid 10, 20, 50 times as much as someone who teaches high school.
Demand = money. If you have a problem, get people to stop liking sports.
4th Amendment genius. I don't want the government to know everything about me. It makes identity theft that much easier. One hacker can ruin the whole system.
4th Amendment genius. I don't want the government to know everything about me. It makes identity theft that much easier. One hacker can ruin the whole system.
The complete and total prohibition of alcohol and tobacco, along with marijauna. This is not to be contested. The track record of these substances is well known, in that a major portion of all traffic accidents and domestic(and public) violence involve alcohol. A major portion of all mouth and lung cancers involve tobacco or marijuana. These things have no place in a rational civilization.
F*ck you I like my alcohol. Jesus drank wine, you idiot. Ever heard of the 18th Amendment? Didn't work out so well, did it? I'm not even going to ask why you think weed is dangerous.
F*ck you for suggesting an internet tax. F*ck you again.
F*ck you for suggesting an internet tax. F*ck you again.
An ammendment to put a cap on the salary of all government officials of all branches of government, and legislation requiring a 2/3 majority vote OF THE PEOPLE to give a raise to a public office.
Do you really think that people will vote for a salary increase? Ever? I wonder how long it would take for the government to cease to exist.
So you want the government to be run by newbies? Idiot.
So you want the government to be run by newbies? Idiot.
An ammendment to limit the term of federal judges, including supreme court justices, to a relatively small time, whereby the PEOPLE vote for the new justices of their respective jurisdictions who are accountable to the people, rather than some aristocracy.
Justice is not a matter of public opinion. You really don't know anything do you?
So let's just abandon all our major cities that have a harbor. Really? W.T.F.
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Lets see,...
John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Lets see,...
John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
F*ck you I like my alcohol. Jesus drank wine, you idiot. Ever heard of the 18th Amendment? Didn't work out so well, did it? I'm not even going to ask why you think weed is dangerous.
Jesus did not drink wine. He was falsely accused of drinking wine, among ther things, by the hypocrites. Jesus could not have drank alcohol and at the same time fulfilled the biblical types required for a Levitical priest.
While this is another discussion entirely, I could show you point-blank prohibitions against alcoholic beverages in both the Old and New Testament, as well as internal evidence that the "wine" Jesus made at Cana was not what we would call "Wine" at all in modern english.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Do you really think that people will vote for a salary increase? Ever? I wonder how long it would take for the government to cease to exist.
I wonder how long it would take for the government to start doing its job? By the way, certain double-blind tests done involving similar cooperative relationships suggest the people WOULD vote for a raise, if and when the governors did their jobs well enough.
Never said that. Nope, never said that. There are fifty active state governors in this nation not to mention state legislative and judicial leaders.
By the way, Barrack Obama IS a newbie, having never completed even one term of any elected office at either the state or federal level....
Never said that. Nope, never said that. There are fifty active state governors in this nation not to mention state legislative and judicial leaders.
By the way, Barrack Obama IS a newbie, having never completed even one term of any elected office at either the state or federal level....
Justice is not a matter of public opinion. You really don't know anything do you?
I never said justice was a matter of oppinion. What You think "oppinion" isn't what currently controls everything in Washington? Of course it is. That's why there is such a huge debate over who is appointed to the supreme court every time. "Justice" is never done. "Justice" is what we would have if crimes were never comitted and wrongs never done.
I said that the judges should be appointed by the vote of the PEOPLE not the aristocracy.
No. Just quit spending the tax dollars of other people on it.
Hey guy, news flash, Baton Rouge is just as good a location for a harbor as New Orleans, and it isn't 6-30 ft below sea level like New Orleans. It is complete insanity that people continue to build in a fish tank at the expense of the rest of the nation. You wouldn't approve of FEMA money being spent for someone who builds a house in the crater of an active volcano, now would you?
Seriously, how many cities do you plan on rebuilding every few years at $100billion each(or more)?
Do you know how many cities in the gulf coast and east coast can be absolutely wiped clean by a category 4 storm, much less a 5?
Cat 4, tampa bay, approximately 250,000 houses gone, tens of thousands dead (it is physically impossible to evacuate in time), millions homeless, this is according to the Tampa Bay city government's wave models, as cited by the Weather Channel.
All of these cities continue to be built as though some retard were calling the shots.
idiot1: "Wow guys, I have an excellent idea. Let's put as much of our infrastructure and population in the most vulnerable possible location for hurricanes."
You (i.e. idiot2): "Wow. Sounds like a great Idea."
So, socialism plus social control... Sounds like a bit like Fascist.
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What did Jesus say? What I said is irrelevant. What did the text say?
"No man cometh to the Father but by me..." Those are not my words, they are Jesus' words.
"No man cometh to the Father but by me..." Those are not my words, they are Jesus' words.
It's called picking and choosing. I'm not saying that that statement per-se is wrong, but your attitude towards abortion is. If you think that it's ok to massacre whole cities worth of "sinners" but it's murder to destroy a clump of cells, you're seriously f*cked up in the head.
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It's called picking and choosing. I'm not saying that that statement per-se is wrong, but your attitude towards abortion is. If you think that it's ok to massacre whole cities worth of "sinners" but it's murder to destroy a clump of cells, you're seriously f*cked up in the head.
I have never had much of any confidence in Bush past 2003. The only reason I voted for him either time is because the other guy was an even bigger idiot. He had the audacity to call Islam a "religion of peace and love," when in fact it has never been anything other than a religion of aggression, murder, rape, pedophilia, and other abuses of women.
Bush painted himself as an idiot back in 2000 when he couldn't figure out how to use a map. That should have been an early warning sign. Al Gore is a very smart man, but he lost the election because of his lack of charisma. Christianity and Islam are on equal footing when it comes to "love and peace." Remember the crusades? Apparently not.
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I seriously doubt very many, if any of our leaders from either of the major political parties has anyone's best interest in mind, other than their own pockets.
Welcome to capitalism.
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Welcome to capitalism.
A socialist anarchy, and later a socialist kingdom were the two government systems given in the Bible, after all.
If you want a theocracy, move to Iran. I've heard it's wonderful there. Requiring everybody to subscribe to one belief system is called Fascism.
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capping all CEO compensation relative to average employee compensation. This is still flexible enough to reward success, but requires employers to pay their employees a fair share.
As much as I dislike capitalism sometimes, money has an interesting ability to nurture talent. If all CEO's are paid the same, how do you attract new talent?
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As much as I dislike capitalism sometimes, money has an interesting ability to nurture talent. If all CEO's are paid the same, how do you attract new talent?
capping all commercial atheletes, commercial sports coaches and managers, and commercial entertainer's income SIGNIFICANTLY lower than current average. Glorified circus clowns are not worth as much to civilization as doctors, engineers, lawyers, law enforcement, rescue workers, production workers, assembly workers, janitors, etc. A guy who throws a football around should not be getting paid 10, 20, 50 times as much as someone who teaches high school.
Demand = money. If you have a problem, get people to stop liking sports.
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Digitization of currency and all transactions, including insurance, investments, medicare, social security, etc, for record keeping, law enforcement, and tax purposes.
4th Amendment genius. I don't want the government to know everything about me. It makes identity theft that much easier. One hacker can ruin the whole system.
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4th Amendment genius. I don't want the government to know everything about me. It makes identity theft that much easier. One hacker can ruin the whole system.
The complete and total prohibition of alcohol and tobacco, along with marijauna. This is not to be contested. The track record of these substances is well known, in that a major portion of all traffic accidents and domestic(and public) violence involve alcohol. A major portion of all mouth and lung cancers involve tobacco or marijuana. These things have no place in a rational civilization.
F*ck you I like my alcohol. Jesus drank wine, you idiot. Ever heard of the 18th Amendment? Didn't work out so well, did it? I'm not even going to ask why you think weed is dangerous.
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One cent tax on all email transactions; charged to the sender, not the recipient. Although I haven't thought of a way to enforce this. The point here is it makes spam too expensive for the perpetrator to continue to exist, while not being prohibitive to honest people. If you send one message, that's one cent. If you send ten million messages, that $100,000 dollars, which is not cheap at all.
F*ck you for suggesting an internet tax. F*ck you again.
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F*ck you for suggesting an internet tax. F*ck you again.
An ammendment to put a cap on the salary of all government officials of all branches of government, and legislation requiring a 2/3 majority vote OF THE PEOPLE to give a raise to a public office.
Do you really think that people will vote for a salary increase? Ever? I wonder how long it would take for the government to cease to exist.
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An ammendment to limit the maximum number of terms of a federal government official to two terms total at the federal government level. That is they can be 2 terms senator, or 2 terms representative, or 1 as senator and 1 as representative, or 1 senator and 1 president, or 1 president and 1 supreme court justice, etc.
So you want the government to be run by newbies? Idiot.
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So you want the government to be run by newbies? Idiot.
An ammendment to limit the term of federal judges, including supreme court justices, to a relatively small time, whereby the PEOPLE vote for the new justices of their respective jurisdictions who are accountable to the people, rather than some aristocracy.
Justice is not a matter of public opinion. You really don't know anything do you?
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A "build at your own risk" law for any place listed as below the average storm surge level of a medium size 180mph landfalling category 5 hurricane(labor day hurricane). The sale of flood insurance and home owner's insurance and similar policies to such houses and businesses shall be prohibited. Existing policies shall be grandfathered in, however, upon the first such claim, the policy shall be cancelled and any value paid in exceeding such claim shall be re-imbursed to the owner of the policy, upon which they may then choose to continue living in that location at their own risk, or they may move away.
So let's just abandon all our major cities that have a harbor. Really? W.T.F.
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4th Amendment genius. I don't want the government to know everything about me. It makes identity theft that much easier. One hacker can ruin the whole system.
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Lets see,...
John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
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If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Lets see,...
John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
F*ck you I like my alcohol. Jesus drank wine, you idiot. Ever heard of the 18th Amendment? Didn't work out so well, did it? I'm not even going to ask why you think weed is dangerous.
Jesus did not drink wine. He was falsely accused of drinking wine, among ther things, by the hypocrites. Jesus could not have drank alcohol and at the same time fulfilled the biblical types required for a Levitical priest.
While this is another discussion entirely, I could show you point-blank prohibitions against alcoholic beverages in both the Old and New Testament, as well as internal evidence that the "wine" Jesus made at Cana was not what we would call "Wine" at all in modern english.
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F*ck you for suggesting an internet tax. F*ck you again.
No thanks.
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No thanks.
Do you really think that people will vote for a salary increase? Ever? I wonder how long it would take for the government to cease to exist.
I wonder how long it would take for the government to start doing its job? By the way, certain double-blind tests done involving similar cooperative relationships suggest the people WOULD vote for a raise, if and when the governors did their jobs well enough.
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So you want the government to be run by newbies? Idiot.
Never said that. Nope, never said that. There are fifty active state governors in this nation not to mention state legislative and judicial leaders.
By the way, Barrack Obama IS a newbie, having never completed even one term of any elected office at either the state or federal level....
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Never said that. Nope, never said that. There are fifty active state governors in this nation not to mention state legislative and judicial leaders.
By the way, Barrack Obama IS a newbie, having never completed even one term of any elected office at either the state or federal level....
Justice is not a matter of public opinion. You really don't know anything do you?
I never said justice was a matter of oppinion. What You think "oppinion" isn't what currently controls everything in Washington? Of course it is. That's why there is such a huge debate over who is appointed to the supreme court every time. "Justice" is never done. "Justice" is what we would have if crimes were never comitted and wrongs never done.
I said that the judges should be appointed by the vote of the PEOPLE not the aristocracy.
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So let's just abandon all our major cities that have a harbor. Really? W.T.F.
No. Just quit spending the tax dollars of other people on it.
Hey guy, news flash, Baton Rouge is just as good a location for a harbor as New Orleans, and it isn't 6-30 ft below sea level like New Orleans. It is complete insanity that people continue to build in a fish tank at the expense of the rest of the nation. You wouldn't approve of FEMA money being spent for someone who builds a house in the crater of an active volcano, now would you?
Seriously, how many cities do you plan on rebuilding every few years at $100billion each(or more)?
Do you know how many cities in the gulf coast and east coast can be absolutely wiped clean by a category 4 storm, much less a 5?
Cat 4, tampa bay, approximately 250,000 houses gone, tens of thousands dead (it is physically impossible to evacuate in time), millions homeless, this is according to the Tampa Bay city government's wave models, as cited by the Weather Channel.
All of these cities continue to be built as though some retard were calling the shots.
idiot1: "Wow guys, I have an excellent idea. Let's put as much of our infrastructure and population in the most vulnerable possible location for hurricanes."
You (i.e. idiot2): "Wow. Sounds like a great Idea."
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If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Idiot. Did you ignore what I said about security concerns? Do you really think that it will be hacker proof? Also, whichever central agency manages the database, they will have to allow corporations to access the data. Do you trust that none of them will have a security breach? Only a fool would decline the right to privacy.
Here is yet another example of you bending biblical interpretations to fit your will.
Here is yet another example of you bending biblical interpretations to fit your will.
I wonder how long it would take for the government to start doing its job? By the way, certain double-blind tests done involving similar cooperative relationships suggest the people WOULD vote for a raise, if and when the governors did their jobs well enough.
That's just naive.
Where would Obama be without his staff? His genius is his ability to listen to new ideas; something that was lacking in the Bush admin. People like Ted Kennedy are national treasures; they are the wise, experienced leaders that we should rely on.
Where would Obama be without his staff? His genius is his ability to listen to new ideas; something that was lacking in the Bush admin. People like Ted Kennedy are national treasures; they are the wise, experienced leaders that we should rely on.
I never said justice was a matter of oppinion. What You think "oppinion" isn't what currently controls everything in Washington? Of course it is. That's why there is such a huge debate over who is appointed to the supreme court every time. "Justice" is never done. "Justice" is what we would have if crimes were never comitted and wrongs never done.
You said that judges should be elected. You should know this is a bad idea. People elected Bush. If judges were elected, the people would elect the judge that promised to change laws in their favor. Bad idea. The reason that the judicial system is in the hands of the "aristocracy" is because they have a better understanding of what the qualifications are than the average "joe." People really don't care about Constitution (you certainly don't).
Lastly, why don't you travel back in time and "unbuild" New Orleans then? People live in cities. You can't tear up a city (especially a national jewel like New Orleans) because of bad urban planning. Look to the Netherlands to see a good example of building below sea level.
Here is yet another example of you bending biblical interpretations to fit your will.
OH really? The passages I'm refering to are not well known, because the peole who REALLY bend the scriptures to their will, such as what you did on this subject as well as many, many liberal Chrisitians, simply choose to ignore these passages.
Why Jesus did not and could not have drank alcohol:
1) It was directly forbidden to the priesthood, and if you know anything about the Bible, you know that the priesthood symbolizes Jesus Christ.
Leviticus 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
It was forbidden to the Nazarite, which also is a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ
Numbers 6:3
He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
It was forbidden to everyone, as we see the priest Eli is upset when he thinks Hannah has been drinking.
Deuteronomy 29:5And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.
6Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.
People who drank wine were equated with Belial(i.e. the devil.)
1 Smuel1:14And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.
15And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.
16Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial
Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Samson and the wife of Mannoah were directly commanded(actually reminded,) not to drink alcohol.
Judges 13:4
Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:
John Baptist didn't drink alcohol
Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Proverbs 31:4
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
Proverbs 23:31
Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
The word "wine" and "strong drink" have many different meanings in the Bible, and come from many different greek and hebrew root words, depending on the text and the context.
So what you have here is one group who simply doesn't know what they are talking about as it regards the Bible, i.e. You, Obama, Oprah Winfrey, former president Bush, and a host of other liberals, and you have another group who actually reads the thing.
If they do their job right they get paid. Just like anyone else.
If they do their job right they get paid. Just like anyone else.
Where would Obama be without his staff? His genius is his ability to listen to new ideas; something that was lacking in the Bush admin. People like Ted Kennedy are national treasures; they are the wise, experienced leaders that we should rely on.
How are you so ignorant? Obama hasn't even done a single thing in office yet, unless you count going around the world apologizing to rogue nations and terror states for things America did NOT do wrong, and shaking hands with and bowing to people who want to see you and I both dead.
First of all, people give Bush such a hard time, and yet it was BILL CLINTON and is liberal policies which made it possible for 9/11 to happen. No other president in recent history has had to deal with the degree of crap that Bush had on his plate: 9/11, record breaking forest fires(of course, the liberals don't want to maintain the forests properly, but then they want to blame the republican or independent president or governor or mayor when a fire breaks out and burns half a county,) *ahem* several of the top 10 worst hurricane seasons on record, several of the worst tornado outbreaks on record, one3 of the worst tsunamis in recorded history and so on. Goodness, with all the natural disasters and terrorism that was going on, its a wonder the guy even had time to do anything at all.
First of all, people give Bush such a hard time, and yet it was BILL CLINTON and is liberal policies which made it possible for 9/11 to happen. No other president in recent history has had to deal with the degree of crap that Bush had on his plate: 9/11, record breaking forest fires(of course, the liberals don't want to maintain the forests properly, but then they want to blame the republican or independent president or governor or mayor when a fire breaks out and burns half a county,) *ahem* several of the top 10 worst hurricane seasons on record, several of the worst tornado outbreaks on record, one3 of the worst tsunamis in recorded history and so on. Goodness, with all the natural disasters and terrorism that was going on, its a wonder the guy even had time to do anything at all.
Lastly, why don't you travel back in time and "unbuild" New Orleans then? People live in cities. You can't tear up a city (especially a national jewel like New Orleans) because of bad urban planning. Look to the Netherlands to see a good example of building below sea level.
If you consider New Orleans a "Jewel" you must be even more liberal than I imagine. New Orleans is a slum and a failed institution. There are more domestic murders in New Orleans since 2003 than the total number of all "coalition" casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan since the same time. There are more attempted murders than the total number of all injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan. The murder rate is down slightly since Katrina, because a large portion of the population is elsewhere now, but it was still 179 last year. It seems to be worse than ever on a per-capita basis.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/06/usa
"Jewel" indeed.
Sounds more like Mos Eisley, "A more wretched hive of scum and villainy you'll not find..."
Idiot. Did you ignore what I said about security concerns? Do you really think that it will be hacker proof? Also, whichever central agency manages the database, they will have to allow corporations to access the data. Do you trust that none of them will have a security breach? Only a fool would decline the right to privacy.
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Jesus did not drink wine. He was falsely accused of drinking wine, among ther things, by the hypocrites. Jesus could not have drank alcohol and at the same time fulfilled the biblical types required for a Levitical priest.
While this is another discussion entirely, I could show you point-blank prohibitions against alcoholic beverages in both the Old and New Testament, as well as internal evidence that the "wine" Jesus made at Cana was not what we would call "Wine" at all in modern english.
While this is another discussion entirely, I could show you point-blank prohibitions against alcoholic beverages in both the Old and New Testament, as well as internal evidence that the "wine" Jesus made at Cana was not what we would call "Wine" at all in modern english.
Here is yet another example of you bending biblical interpretations to fit your will.
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Here is yet another example of you bending biblical interpretations to fit your will.
I wonder how long it would take for the government to start doing its job? By the way, certain double-blind tests done involving similar cooperative relationships suggest the people WOULD vote for a raise, if and when the governors did their jobs well enough.
That's just naive.
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Never said that. Nope, never said that. There are fifty active state governors in this nation not to mention state legislative and judicial leaders.
By the way, Barrack Obama IS a newbie, having never completed even one term of any elected office at either the state or federal level....
By the way, Barrack Obama IS a newbie, having never completed even one term of any elected office at either the state or federal level....
Where would Obama be without his staff? His genius is his ability to listen to new ideas; something that was lacking in the Bush admin. People like Ted Kennedy are national treasures; they are the wise, experienced leaders that we should rely on.
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| Never said that. Nope, never said that. There are fifty active state governors in this nation not to mention state legislative and judicial leaders. By the way, Barrack Obama IS a newbie, having never completed even one term of any elected office at either the state or federal level.... |
Where would Obama be without his staff? His genius is his ability to listen to new ideas; something that was lacking in the Bush admin. People like Ted Kennedy are national treasures; they are the wise, experienced leaders that we should rely on.
I never said justice was a matter of oppinion. What You think "oppinion" isn't what currently controls everything in Washington? Of course it is. That's why there is such a huge debate over who is appointed to the supreme court every time. "Justice" is never done. "Justice" is what we would have if crimes were never comitted and wrongs never done.
You said that judges should be elected. You should know this is a bad idea. People elected Bush. If judges were elected, the people would elect the judge that promised to change laws in their favor. Bad idea. The reason that the judicial system is in the hands of the "aristocracy" is because they have a better understanding of what the qualifications are than the average "joe." People really don't care about Constitution (you certainly don't).
Lastly, why don't you travel back in time and "unbuild" New Orleans then? People live in cities. You can't tear up a city (especially a national jewel like New Orleans) because of bad urban planning. Look to the Netherlands to see a good example of building below sea level.
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Idiot. Did you ignore what I said about security concerns? Do you really think that it will be hacker proof? Also, whichever central agency manages the database, they will have to allow corporations to access the data. Do you trust that none of them will have a security breach? Only a fool would decline the right to privacy.
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| Idiot. Did you ignore what I said about security concerns? Do you really think that it will be hacker proof? Also, whichever central agency manages the database, they will have to allow corporations to access the data. Do you trust that none of them will have a security breach? Only a fool would decline the right to privacy. |
Here is yet another example of you bending biblical interpretations to fit your will.
OH really? The passages I'm refering to are not well known, because the peole who REALLY bend the scriptures to their will, such as what you did on this subject as well as many, many liberal Chrisitians, simply choose to ignore these passages.
Why Jesus did not and could not have drank alcohol:
1) It was directly forbidden to the priesthood, and if you know anything about the Bible, you know that the priesthood symbolizes Jesus Christ.
Leviticus 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
It was forbidden to the Nazarite, which also is a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ
Numbers 6:3
He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
It was forbidden to everyone, as we see the priest Eli is upset when he thinks Hannah has been drinking.
Deuteronomy 29:5And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.
6Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.
People who drank wine were equated with Belial(i.e. the devil.)
1 Smuel1:14And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.
15And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.
16Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial
Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Samson and the wife of Mannoah were directly commanded(actually reminded,) not to drink alcohol.
Judges 13:4
Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:
John Baptist didn't drink alcohol
Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Proverbs 31:4
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
Proverbs 23:31
Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
The word "wine" and "strong drink" have many different meanings in the Bible, and come from many different greek and hebrew root words, depending on the text and the context.
So what you have here is one group who simply doesn't know what they are talking about as it regards the Bible, i.e. You, Obama, Oprah Winfrey, former president Bush, and a host of other liberals, and you have another group who actually reads the thing.
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That's just naive.
If they do their job right they get paid. Just like anyone else.
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If they do their job right they get paid. Just like anyone else.
Where would Obama be without his staff? His genius is his ability to listen to new ideas; something that was lacking in the Bush admin. People like Ted Kennedy are national treasures; they are the wise, experienced leaders that we should rely on.
How are you so ignorant? Obama hasn't even done a single thing in office yet, unless you count going around the world apologizing to rogue nations and terror states for things America did NOT do wrong, and shaking hands with and bowing to people who want to see you and I both dead.
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You said that judges should be elected. You should know this is a bad idea. People elected Bush. If judges were elected, the people would elect the judge that promised to change laws in their favor. Bad idea. The reason that the judicial system is in the hands of the "aristocracy" is because they have a better understanding of what the qualifications are than the average "joe." People really don't care about Constitution (you certainly don't).
First of all, people give Bush such a hard time, and yet it was BILL CLINTON and is liberal policies which made it possible for 9/11 to happen. No other president in recent history has had to deal with the degree of crap that Bush had on his plate: 9/11, record breaking forest fires(of course, the liberals don't want to maintain the forests properly, but then they want to blame the republican or independent president or governor or mayor when a fire breaks out and burns half a county,) *ahem* several of the top 10 worst hurricane seasons on record, several of the worst tornado outbreaks on record, one3 of the worst tsunamis in recorded history and so on. Goodness, with all the natural disasters and terrorism that was going on, its a wonder the guy even had time to do anything at all.
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First of all, people give Bush such a hard time, and yet it was BILL CLINTON and is liberal policies which made it possible for 9/11 to happen. No other president in recent history has had to deal with the degree of crap that Bush had on his plate: 9/11, record breaking forest fires(of course, the liberals don't want to maintain the forests properly, but then they want to blame the republican or independent president or governor or mayor when a fire breaks out and burns half a county,) *ahem* several of the top 10 worst hurricane seasons on record, several of the worst tornado outbreaks on record, one3 of the worst tsunamis in recorded history and so on. Goodness, with all the natural disasters and terrorism that was going on, its a wonder the guy even had time to do anything at all.
Lastly, why don't you travel back in time and "unbuild" New Orleans then? People live in cities. You can't tear up a city (especially a national jewel like New Orleans) because of bad urban planning. Look to the Netherlands to see a good example of building below sea level.
If you consider New Orleans a "Jewel" you must be even more liberal than I imagine. New Orleans is a slum and a failed institution. There are more domestic murders in New Orleans since 2003 than the total number of all "coalition" casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan since the same time. There are more attempted murders than the total number of all injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan. The murder rate is down slightly since Katrina, because a large portion of the population is elsewhere now, but it was still 179 last year. It seems to be worse than ever on a per-capita basis.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/06/usa
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Whatever the reason, 701-related laxity has become so common that New Orleans street hustlers have dubbed doing 60 days in jail for a killing a "misdemeanour murder." This was no exaggeration: in addition to the thousands of suspects being released under Article 701, the Orleans Parish district attorney's office secured just one conviction in the 162 murders committed in 2006
"Jewel" indeed.
Sounds more like Mos Eisley, "A more wretched hive of scum and villainy you'll not find..."
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 25 2009, 11:42 AM)
OH really? The passages I'm refering to are not well known, because the peole who REALLY bend the scriptures to their will, such as what you did on this subject as well as many, many liberal Chrisitians, simply choose to ignore these passages.
If the Jews weren't supposed to drink wine, why was it not forbidden in their extensive dietary laws? Jesus didn't eat pork, so do you refuse bacon?
Also, there is no evidence that Jesus was a nazirite.
Obviously, you've been watching too much Fox News. You have a complete idiot's view of foreign relations. If you want to know why people hate America, look at what the CIA's been doing for the last 50 years. Iran used to have a democratically elected government until the USA and UK decided that they wanted more oil. Goodbye president, hello shah.
Obviously, you've been watching too much Fox News. You have a complete idiot's view of foreign relations. If you want to know why people hate America, look at what the CIA's been doing for the last 50 years. Iran used to have a democratically elected government until the USA and UK decided that they wanted more oil. Goodbye president, hello shah.
First of all, people give Bush such a hard time, and yet it was BILL CLINTON and is liberal policies which made it possible for 9/11 to happen. No other president in recent history has had to deal with the degree of crap that Bush had on his plate: 9/11, record breaking forest fires(of course, the liberals don't want to maintain the forests properly, but then they want to blame the republican or independent president or governor or mayor when a fire breaks out and burns half a county,) *ahem* several of the top 10 worst hurricane seasons on record, several of the worst tornado outbreaks on record, one3 of the worst tsunamis in recorded history and so on. Goodness, with all the natural disasters and terrorism that was going on, its a wonder the guy even had time to do anything at all.
Spoken like a true idiot. Clinton discussed the dangers of terrorism with Bush before he left office. Bush responded by taking several long vacations and pushing through tax cuts.
Forest fires are caused by fire prevention and logging. When you stop fires from occurring, underbrush builds up, making the next fire that comes through a major natural disaster. Logging removes trees but leaves the underbrush. Last time I checked, liberals were against logging.
It's a cultural center and an important part of American history. The reason why it's a slum is because the idiot conservatives in Louisiana don't know how to run a government.
You've just proven that you don't understand the meaning (or spelling) of the word "generalizing".
Nor does my specific wording change anything. If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine. Especially now that I've tried to explain it to you once already.
You're such an idiot...
It can be spelt -ize or -ise. Although, on your side of the pond anything is possible when it comes to abuse of the mother tongue - what to do with these colonial chappies?
If the Jews weren't supposed to drink wine, why was it not forbidden in their extensive dietary laws? Jesus didn't eat pork, so do you refuse bacon?
Also, there is no evidence that Jesus was a nazirite.
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How are you so ignorant? Obama hasn't even done a single thing in office yet, unless you count going around the world apologizing to rogue nations and terror states for things America did NOT do wrong, and shaking hands with and bowing to people who want to see you and I both dead.
Obviously, you've been watching too much Fox News. You have a complete idiot's view of foreign relations. If you want to know why people hate America, look at what the CIA's been doing for the last 50 years. Iran used to have a democratically elected government until the USA and UK decided that they wanted more oil. Goodbye president, hello shah.
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Obviously, you've been watching too much Fox News. You have a complete idiot's view of foreign relations. If you want to know why people hate America, look at what the CIA's been doing for the last 50 years. Iran used to have a democratically elected government until the USA and UK decided that they wanted more oil. Goodbye president, hello shah.
First of all, people give Bush such a hard time, and yet it was BILL CLINTON and is liberal policies which made it possible for 9/11 to happen. No other president in recent history has had to deal with the degree of crap that Bush had on his plate: 9/11, record breaking forest fires(of course, the liberals don't want to maintain the forests properly, but then they want to blame the republican or independent president or governor or mayor when a fire breaks out and burns half a county,) *ahem* several of the top 10 worst hurricane seasons on record, several of the worst tornado outbreaks on record, one3 of the worst tsunamis in recorded history and so on. Goodness, with all the natural disasters and terrorism that was going on, its a wonder the guy even had time to do anything at all.
Spoken like a true idiot. Clinton discussed the dangers of terrorism with Bush before he left office. Bush responded by taking several long vacations and pushing through tax cuts.
Forest fires are caused by fire prevention and logging. When you stop fires from occurring, underbrush builds up, making the next fire that comes through a major natural disaster. Logging removes trees but leaves the underbrush. Last time I checked, liberals were against logging.
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If you consider New Orleans a "Jewel" you must be even more liberal than I imagine. New Orleans is a slum and a failed institution. There are more domestic murders in New Orleans since 2003 than the total number of all "coalition" casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan since the same time. There are more attempted murders than the total number of all injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan. The murder rate is down slightly since Katrina, because a large portion of the population is elsewhere now, but it was still 179 last year. It seems to be worse than ever on a per-capita basis.
It's a cultural center and an important part of American history. The reason why it's a slum is because the idiot conservatives in Louisiana don't know how to run a government.
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That is an unfair argument because a very large number of abortions do not at all fall into that category and you know this.
What you are describing basically amounts to an "untimely birth" situation, and it is a choice I wish nobody ever had to make, but unfortunately people do have to make that choice sometimes.
What you are describing basically amounts to an "untimely birth" situation, and it is a choice I wish nobody ever had to make, but unfortunately people do have to make that choice sometimes.
The problem I have with your position is that apparently(correct me if I'm wrong)any group of cells from conception forward qualifies as a child. So if a woman was diagnosed with cancer, and shortly thereafter learned that she was 5 weeks pregnant, she should consider the life of her "child," a 1/4 inch mass of tissue, when it comes to dealing with her cancer treatment.
Since we're stuck with a surplus of humanity at this point in time, and people are unwilling to take the necessary precautions to prevent excess births, we need tools like abortion until more palatable methods become available.
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You know good and well that many "mothers" murder their babies with coathangers and etc, and abortion clinics are all too willing to provide a "clean" way for them to do this "safely". The democratic party openly funds, promotes and encourages these abortions, especially for teens and singles. This is murder in its purest sense: simply killing a baby, or assisting in said killing of a baby, because they are "inconvenient" or "unwanted".
Abortion isn't murder. An early stage fetus is not a functional living being. At this stage of development, it has no more right to exist than a benign neoplasm. Since we're stuck with a surplus of humanity at this point in time, and people are unwilling to take the necessary precautions to prevent excess births, we need tools like abortion until more palatable methods become available.
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Aug 24 2009, 08:20 PM)
You've just proven that you don't understand the meaning (or spelling) of the word "generalizing".
Nor does my specific wording change anything. If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine. Especially now that I've tried to explain it to you once already.
You're such an idiot...
It can be spelt -ize or -ise. Although, on your side of the pond anything is possible when it comes to abuse of the mother tongue - what to do with these colonial chappies?
QUOTE (Edward 3+Aug 25 2009, 12:44 PM)
Although, on your side of the pond anything is possible when it comes to abuse of the mother tongue
Last time I checked, Great Britain was home to the worst perversion of the English language currently known to mankind: Cockney.
Last time I checked, Great Britain was home to the worst perversion of the English language currently known to mankind: Cockney.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 25 2009, 04:48 PM)
Last time I checked, Great Britain was home to the worst perversion of the English language currently known to mankind: Cockney.
Ahem.....you been listening to the likes of Bloomberg and Fox recently? I like the yanks but why, oh why, do they always use 25 words when 5 would do quite nicely?
Ahem.....you been listening to the likes of Bloomberg and Fox recently? I like the yanks but why, oh why, do they always use 25 words when 5 would do quite nicely?
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Ahem.....you been listening to the likes of Bloomberg and Fox recently? I like the yanks but why, oh why, do they always use 25 words when 5 would do quite nicely?
It makes your statements seem more well thought out when you use more of them. This is a common trait in American politics.
It makes your statements seem more well thought out when you use more of them. This is a common trait in American politics.
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It makes your statements seem more well thought out when you use more of them. This is a common trait in American politics.
Ya - I really enjoy watching some of the Senate hearings - wow, some of those guys can really string out a sentence. I always wonder how the person being questioned gets to figure out what he is being asked. Guess they know how to play the game too !
Ya - I really enjoy watching some of the Senate hearings - wow, some of those guys can really string out a sentence. I always wonder how the person being questioned gets to figure out what he is being asked. Guess they know how to play the game too !
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Ya - I really enjoy watching some of the Senate hearings - wow, some of those guys can really string out a sentence. I always wonder how the person being questioned gets to figure out what he is being asked. Guess they know how to play the game too !
How would a similar exchange go down in Parliament I wonder?
How would a similar exchange go down in Parliament I wonder?
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How would a similar exchange go down in Parliament I wonder?
In the senate, they speak one at a time. In parliment, they simply yell all at once. Since no one can hear what anyone else says, what they say and how they say it is irrelevant.
In the senate, they speak one at a time. In parliment, they simply yell all at once. Since no one can hear what anyone else says, what they say and how they say it is irrelevant.
Guess you get the same result in both !
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 23 2009, 04:48 PM)
Hitler and the Nazis murdered some six million jews plus a few million others, not to mention the total casualty numbers of approximately 50 million from WW2.
Yet more babies have been murdered by demoncrats in the U.S. since then than the number of people killed by Nazis.
Yet more babies have been murdered by demoncrats in the U.S. since then than the number of people killed by Nazis.
So you're comparing Democrats to Nazis? Democrats are forcibly rounding up pregnant women and herding them into abortion camps to murder their unborn children? I don't think so. Women of all political persuasions, and religions, are freely opting to utilize abortion services.
If you really do consider these expectant mothers and their abortion providers to be the equivalent of Nazi SS officers, then why aren't you part of some armed resistance movement to stop the killing? By not actively and vigorously opposing this mass slaughter of innocent life, aren't you as much to blame as the perpetrators?
If you really do consider these expectant mothers and their abortion providers to be the equivalent of Nazi SS officers, then why aren't you part of some armed resistance movement to stop the killing? By not actively and vigorously opposing this mass slaughter of innocent life, aren't you as much to blame as the perpetrators?
Religious fanatics like Quantum_Condoms owe a great debt to the Nazis. Without Hitler, they would have to come up with actual, reasoned arguments.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 24 2009, 03:44 PM)
One name: James Dobson
So your whole argument is based on "There are fundies out there that agree with me!" ?
Try again, numbnuts.
Prove it. Prove that people like Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher, Henry Ward Beecher, Lloyd Geering , Matthew Fox and Marcus Borg are all liars. Come on then, I'm waiting you dishonest, lying sack of monkey crap.
I can show you that James Dobson dismisses ideas of equality, tolerance and diversity, espouses scientifically unsupported views on homosexuality, and that he's lied about empirical data in order to support his claims.
I can show you that Jimmy Swaggart slept with prostitutes.
What about Pat Robertson? Are you a fan of his? I can show you things about him you won't like.
I can do the same with Jerry Falwell, John Hagee and many many many other conservative christian "scholars".
Try to find a reputable source, dumbass.
Prove it. Prove that people like Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher, Henry Ward Beecher, Lloyd Geering , Matthew Fox and Marcus Borg are all liars. Come on then, I'm waiting you dishonest, lying sack of monkey crap.
I can show you that James Dobson dismisses ideas of equality, tolerance and diversity, espouses scientifically unsupported views on homosexuality, and that he's lied about empirical data in order to support his claims.
I can show you that Jimmy Swaggart slept with prostitutes.
What about Pat Robertson? Are you a fan of his? I can show you things about him you won't like.
I can do the same with Jerry Falwell, John Hagee and many many many other conservative christian "scholars".
Try to find a reputable source, dumbass.
My "flavor" of Christian is the only one who has ever legitimately existed.
ROFLMAO
Bullshit.
Mouth cancer has absolutely no correlation with marijuana use, and the correlation between marijuana use and lung cancer is not only highly controversial (it shows in some studies, not in others), but always well within the margin of error of the study being done.
Bullshit.
Mouth cancer has absolutely no correlation with marijuana use, and the correlation between marijuana use and lung cancer is not only highly controversial (it shows in some studies, not in others), but always well within the margin of error of the study being done.
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Apparently, you don't think identity theft, fraud and other white collar crimes exist.... Dumbass.
Prove it. Find a passage of the bible that says "Jesus didn't drink wine." I dare you.
In fact, if Jesus didn't drink wine, he'd have likely died of dehydration pretty quickly, considering that water was usually unsafe to drink at the time he lived.
Dumbass.
- Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931
I am not "in" with american politics, but i have a basic idea of what each party and their reps stand for. All i can say is, i like neither and oppose both. Each have likable aspects, but their cons outweigh the pros greatly.
I am a middle-class citizen living in a socialist nation (Canada). Americans take for granted their private industries. You will suffer soon enough when you become more and more like canada.
Examples: I have waited for 2 years for a simple wrist operation, still being delayed while i wait around in discomfort. There is only one company to get auto insurance from, gov't owned , so we must pay their rates, and have NO options. Same for things like natural gas, electricity, etc (we have very little or no options).
From what i gather, obama is implementing similar concepts? Good luck with that... His heart may be in the right place, looking out for the poor. But it just does not work, and it makes things take forever to get done. Believe me, i know from first hand experience.
Same as the housing market, he supported the lending or mortgages to those unlikely to pay them back. Thoughtful, but it did not work out the way he had seen it in his head. He is not to blame for that solely however, he was just one of the other politicians to support it. That gives the american people two options, did he learn from this mistake, or will he make a similar one?
Socialism just does not work, and if that is what he supports, then i cannot support him.
Oddly enough average americans are just staring to reap the rewards of nearly a century of capitalism. I know i wouldnt want live in the U.S. Fifty years ago maybe, but now, no way.
So your whole argument is based on "There are fundies out there that agree with me!" ?
Try again, numbnuts.
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I can give many more, but you will simply ignore them like all liberals do, and try to cite ten other liars who agree with Obama, but don't know what they're talking about.
Prove it. Prove that people like Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher, Henry Ward Beecher, Lloyd Geering , Matthew Fox and Marcus Borg are all liars. Come on then, I'm waiting you dishonest, lying sack of monkey crap.
I can show you that James Dobson dismisses ideas of equality, tolerance and diversity, espouses scientifically unsupported views on homosexuality, and that he's lied about empirical data in order to support his claims.
I can show you that Jimmy Swaggart slept with prostitutes.
What about Pat Robertson? Are you a fan of his? I can show you things about him you won't like.
I can do the same with Jerry Falwell, John Hagee and many many many other conservative christian "scholars".
Try to find a reputable source, dumbass.
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Prove it. Prove that people like Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher, Henry Ward Beecher, Lloyd Geering , Matthew Fox and Marcus Borg are all liars. Come on then, I'm waiting you dishonest, lying sack of monkey crap.
I can show you that James Dobson dismisses ideas of equality, tolerance and diversity, espouses scientifically unsupported views on homosexuality, and that he's lied about empirical data in order to support his claims.
I can show you that Jimmy Swaggart slept with prostitutes.
What about Pat Robertson? Are you a fan of his? I can show you things about him you won't like.
I can do the same with Jerry Falwell, John Hagee and many many many other conservative christian "scholars".
Try to find a reputable source, dumbass.
My "flavor" of Christian is the only one who has ever legitimately existed.
ROFLMAO
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A major portion of all mouth and lung cancers involve tobacco or marijuana.
Bullshit.
Mouth cancer has absolutely no correlation with marijuana use, and the correlation between marijuana use and lung cancer is not only highly controversial (it shows in some studies, not in others), but always well within the margin of error of the study being done.
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| A major portion of all mouth and lung cancers involve tobacco or marijuana. |
Bullshit.
Mouth cancer has absolutely no correlation with marijuana use, and the correlation between marijuana use and lung cancer is not only highly controversial (it shows in some studies, not in others), but always well within the margin of error of the study being done.
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Apparently, you don't think identity theft, fraud and other white collar crimes exist.... Dumbass.
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Jesus did not drink wine.
Prove it. Find a passage of the bible that says "Jesus didn't drink wine." I dare you.
In fact, if Jesus didn't drink wine, he'd have likely died of dehydration pretty quickly, considering that water was usually unsafe to drink at the time he lived.
Dumbass.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 23 2009, 11:48 AM)
Hey can you name a few of those things specifically?
Why exactly do you hate me for telling the truth?
Since Obama doesn't oppose a woman's "right to choose" to kill a baby then how can you seperate him from the actual murders? As a senator and now as president, he has the power to prevent these murders, but he doesn't, and moreover, he doesn't even oppose them. Therefore he is just as guilty as those who actually do the killing.
Hitler and the Nazis murdered some six million jews plus a few million others, not to mention the total casualty numbers of approximately 50 million from WW2.
Yet more babies have been murdered by demoncrats in the U.S. since then than the number of people killed by Nazis.
God have mercy. There's a special place in hell for America and the rest of the modern western world.
Democrats don't murder babies .... idiots not knowing what they are doing or how to be responsible do all sorts of stupid and cruel things. "Only the good die young."
You don't want them "murdered?" .... FINE, keep them alive and every goober in the world that haves a baby and no job ... will live off of MORE TAXES from your money .... far more than what is needed now to attempt to fix a problem.
Don't use babies to try and make yourself look good, don't use Nazi's and Jews either. Since you don't like to murder babies ... and don't like to pay taxes ...
Could you tell me, if all the aborted babies in US would be alive right now for the past 40 years .... how many people would be added to the jobless count?
If you could do just one thing, just tell me how many babies have been "murdered" from 67-87. We could chalk those up as 40-20 year olds, and jobless. Everything from 87 till roughly now we could say are mostly dependant still. I guess there would be lots of demographics to look into for that.
In college? What is the national average for people in that age-range to be in college? Apply that ... then add the rest to the unemployment. If you could do these things for me. I think we would have a better picture of what things would be like right now...
Physical
Being among the living dead (spiritual death?) is much worse.
Why exactly do you hate me for telling the truth?
Since Obama doesn't oppose a woman's "right to choose" to kill a baby then how can you seperate him from the actual murders? As a senator and now as president, he has the power to prevent these murders, but he doesn't, and moreover, he doesn't even oppose them. Therefore he is just as guilty as those who actually do the killing.
Hitler and the Nazis murdered some six million jews plus a few million others, not to mention the total casualty numbers of approximately 50 million from WW2.
Yet more babies have been murdered by demoncrats in the U.S. since then than the number of people killed by Nazis.
God have mercy. There's a special place in hell for America and the rest of the modern western world.
Democrats don't murder babies .... idiots not knowing what they are doing or how to be responsible do all sorts of stupid and cruel things. "Only the good die young."
You don't want them "murdered?" .... FINE, keep them alive and every goober in the world that haves a baby and no job ... will live off of MORE TAXES from your money .... far more than what is needed now to attempt to fix a problem.
Don't use babies to try and make yourself look good, don't use Nazi's and Jews either. Since you don't like to murder babies ... and don't like to pay taxes ...
Could you tell me, if all the aborted babies in US would be alive right now for the past 40 years .... how many people would be added to the jobless count?
If you could do just one thing, just tell me how many babies have been "murdered" from 67-87. We could chalk those up as 40-20 year olds, and jobless. Everything from 87 till roughly now we could say are mostly dependant still. I guess there would be lots of demographics to look into for that.
In college? What is the national average for people in that age-range to be in college? Apply that ... then add the rest to the unemployment. If you could do these things for me. I think we would have a better picture of what things would be like right now...
Physical
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Death is not the worst that can happen to men.
Plato
Greek author & philosopher in Athens (427 BC - 347 BC)
Plato
Greek author & philosopher in Athens (427 BC - 347 BC)
Being among the living dead (spiritual death?) is much worse.
Wow Meem, count me impressed. Good comments today. I'm glad that you've seen the light. (just kidding)
Stick around.
Stick around.
Watching McCain say be respectful of him he's the president, and getting booed, poor guy.
QUOTE (Meem+Aug 25 2009, 03:44 PM)
Watching McCain say be respectful of him he's the president, and getting booed, poor guy.
He might have been a very good president, 4-8 years ago and with a different running mate.
He might have been a very good president, 4-8 years ago and with a different running mate.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 25 2009, 02:51 PM)
He might have been a very good president, 4-8 years ago and with a different running mate.
He'd have been a great president during WWII, and would likely handle Afghanistan better than Obama, but Obama's got a much better grasp of domestic affairs and economics.
Meem,
Well done. I agree with fbm that your post directed at QC was on the mark. You might be interested to know that there's a strong correlation between legalized abortion and a reduction in crime rates. Look it up, I believe there's info and links on wikipedia about it.
He'd have been a great president during WWII, and would likely handle Afghanistan better than Obama, but Obama's got a much better grasp of domestic affairs and economics.
Meem,
Well done. I agree with fbm that your post directed at QC was on the mark. You might be interested to know that there's a strong correlation between legalized abortion and a reduction in crime rates. Look it up, I believe there's info and links on wikipedia about it.
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"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
- Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931
I am not "in" with american politics, but i have a basic idea of what each party and their reps stand for. All i can say is, i like neither and oppose both. Each have likable aspects, but their cons outweigh the pros greatly.
I am a middle-class citizen living in a socialist nation (Canada). Americans take for granted their private industries. You will suffer soon enough when you become more and more like canada
. Examples: I have waited for 2 years for a simple wrist operation, still being delayed while i wait around in discomfort. There is only one company to get auto insurance from, gov't owned , so we must pay their rates, and have NO options. Same for things like natural gas, electricity, etc (we have very little or no options).
From what i gather, obama is implementing similar concepts? Good luck with that... His heart may be in the right place, looking out for the poor. But it just does not work, and it makes things take forever to get done. Believe me, i know from first hand experience.
Same as the housing market, he supported the lending or mortgages to those unlikely to pay them back. Thoughtful, but it did not work out the way he had seen it in his head. He is not to blame for that solely however, he was just one of the other politicians to support it. That gives the american people two options, did he learn from this mistake, or will he make a similar one?
Socialism just does not work, and if that is what he supports, then i cannot support him.
QUOTE
Socialism just does not work, and if that is what he supports, then i cannot support him.
Oddly enough average americans are just staring to reap the rewards of nearly a century of capitalism. I know i wouldnt want live in the U.S. Fifty years ago maybe, but now, no way.
QUOTE (Michael J+Aug 25 2009, 06:00 PM)
- Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931
I am not "in" with american politics, but i have a basic idea of what each party and their reps stand for. All i can say is, i like neither and oppose both. Each have likable aspects, but their cons outweigh the pros greatly.
I am a middle-class citizen living in a socialist nation (Canada). Americans take for granted their private industries. You will suffer soon enough when you become more and more like canada.
Examples: I have waited for 2 years for a simple wrist operation, still being delayed while i wait around in discomfort. There is only one company to get auto insurance from, gov't owned , so we must pay their rates, and have NO options. Same for things like natural gas, electricity, etc (we have very little or no options).
From what i gather, obama is implementing similar concepts? Good luck with that... His heart may be in the right place, looking out for the poor. But it just does not work, and it makes things take forever to get done. Believe me, i know from first hand experience.
Same as the housing market, he supported the lending or mortgages to those unlikely to pay them back. Thoughtful, but it did not work out the way he had seen it in his head. He is not to blame for that solely however, he was just one of the other politicians to support it. That gives the american people two options, did he learn from this mistake, or will he make a similar one?
Socialism just does not work, and if that is what he supports, then i cannot support him.
Michael J.:
If you can find a modern day Solomon anywhere in America? The closest candidate I can think of would be Bill Gates and then Steve Jobs, after that, I don't think there is anyone else even in the same league. That person MIGHT deserve to make hundreds or thousands of times as much money as their employee. But you cannot a "Solomon" in America, or anywhere else for that matter.
What you find is CEOs of failed institutions everywhere you look, yet they make hundreds or even thousands of times as much money as the average person in the company. The company can be in the red, or barely turning a profit, at least officially, and the CEO is filthy rich while all the people who actually do the work are compensated only enough to convince them not to go somewhere else.
NOBODY alive is worth that much money compared to the average joe.
Do you people on this forum think all poor people are poor because they want to be or because they are lazy? You really are a bunch of idiots if you think that. Most people I know of in "below average" income families work twice as hard as any of you have probably worked in your life, and in general, are more honest about it. And they do jobs YOU and that CEO couldn't live without.
I am not "in" with american politics, but i have a basic idea of what each party and their reps stand for. All i can say is, i like neither and oppose both. Each have likable aspects, but their cons outweigh the pros greatly.
I am a middle-class citizen living in a socialist nation (Canada). Americans take for granted their private industries. You will suffer soon enough when you become more and more like canada
. Examples: I have waited for 2 years for a simple wrist operation, still being delayed while i wait around in discomfort. There is only one company to get auto insurance from, gov't owned , so we must pay their rates, and have NO options. Same for things like natural gas, electricity, etc (we have very little or no options).
From what i gather, obama is implementing similar concepts? Good luck with that... His heart may be in the right place, looking out for the poor. But it just does not work, and it makes things take forever to get done. Believe me, i know from first hand experience.
Same as the housing market, he supported the lending or mortgages to those unlikely to pay them back. Thoughtful, but it did not work out the way he had seen it in his head. He is not to blame for that solely however, he was just one of the other politicians to support it. That gives the american people two options, did he learn from this mistake, or will he make a similar one?
Socialism just does not work, and if that is what he supports, then i cannot support him.
Michael J.:
If you can find a modern day Solomon anywhere in America? The closest candidate I can think of would be Bill Gates and then Steve Jobs, after that, I don't think there is anyone else even in the same league. That person MIGHT deserve to make hundreds or thousands of times as much money as their employee. But you cannot a "Solomon" in America, or anywhere else for that matter.
What you find is CEOs of failed institutions everywhere you look, yet they make hundreds or even thousands of times as much money as the average person in the company. The company can be in the red, or barely turning a profit, at least officially, and the CEO is filthy rich while all the people who actually do the work are compensated only enough to convince them not to go somewhere else.
NOBODY alive is worth that much money compared to the average joe.
Do you people on this forum think all poor people are poor because they want to be or because they are lazy? You really are a bunch of idiots if you think that. Most people I know of in "below average" income families work twice as hard as any of you have probably worked in your life, and in general, are more honest about it. And they do jobs YOU and that CEO couldn't live without.
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Aug 25 2009, 01:22 PM)
So your whole argument is based on "There are fundies out there that agree with me!" ?
Try again, numbnuts.
Prove it. Prove that people like Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher, Henry Ward Beecher, Lloyd Geering , Matthew Fox and Marcus Borg are all liars. Come on then, I'm waiting you dishonest, lying sack of monkey crap.
I can show you that James Dobson dismisses ideas of equality, tolerance and diversity, espouses scientifically unsupported views on homosexuality, and that he's lied about empirical data in order to support his claims.
I can show you that Jimmy Swaggart slept with prostitutes.
What about Pat Robertson? Are you a fan of his? I can show you things about him you won't like.
I can do the same with Jerry Falwell, John Hagee and many many many other conservative christian "scholars".
Try to find a reputable source, dumbass.
ROFLMAO
Bullshit.
Mouth cancer has absolutely no correlation with marijuana use, and the correlation between marijuana use and lung cancer is not only highly controversial (it shows in some studies, not in others), but always well within the margin of error of the study being done.
Apparently, you don't think identity theft, fraud and other white collar crimes exist.... Dumbass.
Dumbass.
So read the Bible then guy, there were wells recorded IN THE BIBLE in which people drew water to drink. We have one such passage recorded directly IN THE BIBLE involving Jesus which shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Matthew 10:42
And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Mark 9:41
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
John 4:6Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
7There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
Apparantly the water was a lot more "drinkable" than you've ever heard before.
You aren't going to find something that says that so directly, partly because it isn't necessary. I already showed you numerous passages in the Old Testament which forbade drinking alcohol, both blanket statements as well as specific commands.
I already proved what you wanted me to prove.
The other thing is you use nothing more than a "poisoning the well" argument. Whether or not someone has screwed up before in some unrelated way has no bearing on the issue.
The one question was about drinking alcohol. I showed several passages which state point blank DO NOT DO IT. If you are too stupid or dishonest to admit what that means, then the fault is yours, not mine.
Leviticus 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
As for what Jesus and the apostles taught about salvation, once again, it cannot be any more plainly stated than what Peter said in acts 4:12, but I shall show you other passages too.
Acts 4:10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
1 Cor. 1:17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
What do you think the "Gospel" actually is, by the way? The "Gospel" is literally the message that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world, and by him and him alone, and through his DEATH ON THE CROSS comes salvation. That is the gospel. That is precisely what Bible-based Christianity has always been about.
Galatians 3:11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Paul, reminding believers of what the Gospel is about.
Ephesians 2:7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Quiz: How did PAUL the author of half the New Testament, tell Christians and "seekers" they were saved or could be saved and reconciled? Verse 13 and 16 above: by the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross!
Let's continue:
Galatians 2:20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Hebrews 10:10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Again:
1 Peter 1:18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
How is one saved? How does one get into heaven? How does one have peace and reconciliation to God?
Revelation 1:5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Revelation 7:13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Hebrews 7:27
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
The entire point of the Christian faith is that God himself became a perfect man and lived a perfect, sinless life in our place, and then died in our place, and this alone is what saves us by faith through Jesus Christ's death on the cross. There is no other salvation.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian but teaches or believes otherwise simply doesn't know what they are talking about.
Try again, numbnuts.
Prove it. Prove that people like Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher, Henry Ward Beecher, Lloyd Geering , Matthew Fox and Marcus Borg are all liars. Come on then, I'm waiting you dishonest, lying sack of monkey crap.
I can show you that James Dobson dismisses ideas of equality, tolerance and diversity, espouses scientifically unsupported views on homosexuality, and that he's lied about empirical data in order to support his claims.
I can show you that Jimmy Swaggart slept with prostitutes.
What about Pat Robertson? Are you a fan of his? I can show you things about him you won't like.
I can do the same with Jerry Falwell, John Hagee and many many many other conservative christian "scholars".
Try to find a reputable source, dumbass.
ROFLMAO
Bullshit.
Mouth cancer has absolutely no correlation with marijuana use, and the correlation between marijuana use and lung cancer is not only highly controversial (it shows in some studies, not in others), but always well within the margin of error of the study being done.
Apparently, you don't think identity theft, fraud and other white collar crimes exist.... Dumbass.
Dumbass.
QUOTE
Prove it. Find a passage of the bible that says "Jesus didn't drink wine." I dare you.
In fact, if Jesus didn't drink wine, he'd have likely died of dehydration pretty quickly, considering that water was usually unsafe to drink at the time he lived.
In fact, if Jesus didn't drink wine, he'd have likely died of dehydration pretty quickly, considering that water was usually unsafe to drink at the time he lived.
So read the Bible then guy, there were wells recorded IN THE BIBLE in which people drew water to drink. We have one such passage recorded directly IN THE BIBLE involving Jesus which shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Matthew 10:42
And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Mark 9:41
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
John 4:6Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
7There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
Apparantly the water was a lot more "drinkable" than you've ever heard before.
You aren't going to find something that says that so directly, partly because it isn't necessary. I already showed you numerous passages in the Old Testament which forbade drinking alcohol, both blanket statements as well as specific commands.
I already proved what you wanted me to prove.
The other thing is you use nothing more than a "poisoning the well" argument. Whether or not someone has screwed up before in some unrelated way has no bearing on the issue.
The one question was about drinking alcohol. I showed several passages which state point blank DO NOT DO IT. If you are too stupid or dishonest to admit what that means, then the fault is yours, not mine.
Leviticus 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
As for what Jesus and the apostles taught about salvation, once again, it cannot be any more plainly stated than what Peter said in acts 4:12, but I shall show you other passages too.
Acts 4:10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
1 Cor. 1:17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
What do you think the "Gospel" actually is, by the way? The "Gospel" is literally the message that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world, and by him and him alone, and through his DEATH ON THE CROSS comes salvation. That is the gospel. That is precisely what Bible-based Christianity has always been about.
Galatians 3:11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Paul, reminding believers of what the Gospel is about.
Ephesians 2:7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Quiz: How did PAUL the author of half the New Testament, tell Christians and "seekers" they were saved or could be saved and reconciled? Verse 13 and 16 above: by the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross!
Let's continue:
Galatians 2:20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Hebrews 10:10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Again:
1 Peter 1:18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
How is one saved? How does one get into heaven? How does one have peace and reconciliation to God?
Revelation 1:5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Revelation 7:13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Hebrews 7:27
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
The entire point of the Christian faith is that God himself became a perfect man and lived a perfect, sinless life in our place, and then died in our place, and this alone is what saves us by faith through Jesus Christ's death on the cross. There is no other salvation.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian but teaches or believes otherwise simply doesn't know what they are talking about.
Quantum_Condom,
I see now that you think that intelligent discussion consists of entirely of copy/paste. Good job!
Even if Jesus never drank wine himself, you have not been able to demonstrate that Jesus was a nazirite, or that he didn't command his disciples to drink wine.
How exactly do you do communion without wine? Wouldn't grape juice be considered blasphemous? At least the Catholics have the sense to use actual wine.
I see now that you think that intelligent discussion consists of entirely of copy/paste. Good job!
Even if Jesus never drank wine himself, you have not been able to demonstrate that Jesus was a nazirite, or that he didn't command his disciples to drink wine.
How exactly do you do communion without wine? Wouldn't grape juice be considered blasphemous? At least the Catholics have the sense to use actual wine.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Aug 25 2009, 04:48 PM)
Last time I checked, Great Britain was home to the worst perversion of the English language currently known to mankind: Cockney.
Cor blimey Guv. Awright geeezzaa! I totally agree; these inbred idiots 'ave really donald ducked up da British language. Sorted mate.
Cor blimey Guv. Awright geeezzaa! I totally agree; these inbred idiots 'ave really donald ducked up da British language. Sorted mate.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 26 2009, 01:41 PM)
Michael J.:
If you can find a modern day Solomon anywhere in America? The closest candidate I can think of would be Bill Gates and then Steve Jobs, after that, I don't think there is anyone else even in the same league. That person MIGHT deserve to make hundreds or thousands of times as much money as their employee. But you cannot a "Solomon" in America, or anywhere else for that matter.
What you find is CEOs of failed institutions everywhere you look, yet they make hundreds or even thousands of times as much money as the average person in the company. The company can be in the red, or barely turning a profit, at least officially, and the CEO is filthy rich while all the people who actually do the work are compensated only enough to convince them not to go somewhere else.
NOBODY alive is worth that much money compared to the average joe.
Do you people on this forum think all poor people are poor because they want to be or because they are lazy? You really are a bunch of idiots if you think that. Most people I know of in "below average" income families work twice as hard as any of you have probably worked in your life, and in general, are more honest about it. And they do jobs YOU and that CEO couldn't live without.
It is not the CEO's that are spreading their wealth in a socialist society, as they find ways around that through tax cuts and other accounting schemes.
It is the honest hard working middle class that end up carrying the lower. The rich will always be rich, all that happens is you drag the "okay" down to the "suffering". I come from fro ma family who has worked from the ground up to form an honest construction company. We build the roads and groundwork for people's homes. Last thing we want are welfare bums mooching off of our income. We've struggled at times financially, but with enough hard work, we've gotten ourselves to a position of comfortable wealth.
over 10 years, it has taken that long to get to where we are now with our current company, let alone the several failed attempts prior to create a successful business.
You can use CEO's as your counter argument, but in the end CEO's will always be rich, and the middle-class business owners end up paying the tab.
If you can find a modern day Solomon anywhere in America? The closest candidate I can think of would be Bill Gates and then Steve Jobs, after that, I don't think there is anyone else even in the same league. That person MIGHT deserve to make hundreds or thousands of times as much money as their employee. But you cannot a "Solomon" in America, or anywhere else for that matter.
What you find is CEOs of failed institutions everywhere you look, yet they make hundreds or even thousands of times as much money as the average person in the company. The company can be in the red, or barely turning a profit, at least officially, and the CEO is filthy rich while all the people who actually do the work are compensated only enough to convince them not to go somewhere else.
NOBODY alive is worth that much money compared to the average joe.
Do you people on this forum think all poor people are poor because they want to be or because they are lazy? You really are a bunch of idiots if you think that. Most people I know of in "below average" income families work twice as hard as any of you have probably worked in your life, and in general, are more honest about it. And they do jobs YOU and that CEO couldn't live without.
It is not the CEO's that are spreading their wealth in a socialist society, as they find ways around that through tax cuts and other accounting schemes.
It is the honest hard working middle class that end up carrying the lower. The rich will always be rich, all that happens is you drag the "okay" down to the "suffering". I come from fro ma family who has worked from the ground up to form an honest construction company. We build the roads and groundwork for people's homes. Last thing we want are welfare bums mooching off of our income. We've struggled at times financially, but with enough hard work, we've gotten ourselves to a position of comfortable wealth.
over 10 years, it has taken that long to get to where we are now with our current company, let alone the several failed attempts prior to create a successful business.
You can use CEO's as your counter argument, but in the end CEO's will always be rich, and the middle-class business owners end up paying the tab.
Those claims are innumerate and aphysical.
Back to the thread. How many of you think that Obama is a superman?
QUOTE (leah2255+Aug 28 2009, 01:28 PM)
Back to the thread. How many of you think that Obama is a superman?
That would depend entirely whether he has a tight blue suit with a red cape
That would depend entirely whether he has a tight blue suit with a red cape
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Aug 26 2009, 09:38 AM)
So read the Bible then guy, there were wells recorded IN THE BIBLE in which people drew water to drink. We have one such passage recorded directly IN THE BIBLE involving Jesus which shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
1. You still haven't proven that Jesus didn't drink wine.
2. You apparently don't know what the meaning of the word "usually" is.
3. Keep trying. I'm still waiting for some reputable sources.
You apparently don't know the difference between wine and other forms of alcohol. The writers of the bible did. In fact, they used different terms to refer to wine than they did to refer to other alcoholic beverages.
So read the bible then, guy.
1. You still haven't proven that Jesus didn't drink wine.
2. You apparently don't know what the meaning of the word "usually" is.
3. Keep trying. I'm still waiting for some reputable sources.
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I already showed you numerous passages in the Old Testament which forbade drinking alcohol, both blanket statements as well as specific commands.
You apparently don't know the difference between wine and other forms of alcohol. The writers of the bible did. In fact, they used different terms to refer to wine than they did to refer to other alcoholic beverages.
So read the bible then, guy.
Quantum, Judging Others
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Mat 7:7 ¶ Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
I just heard on CNN about a pastor preaching about how he hates Obama. That he is going to pray that he dies, goes to hell, and that his children will be fatherless. Does he even understand what he is saying? Did Jesus preach hate? The audio they played from the sermon was ... astonishing.
QUOTE
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Mat 7:7 ¶ Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
I just heard on CNN about a pastor preaching about how he hates Obama. That he is going to pray that he dies, goes to hell, and that his children will be fatherless. Does he even understand what he is saying? Did Jesus preach hate? The audio they played from the sermon was ... astonishing.
QUOTE (Meem+Aug 28 2009, 03:27 PM)
Quantum, Judging Others
I just heard on CNN about a pastor preaching about how he hates Obama. That he is going to pray that he dies, goes to hell, and that his children will be fatherless. Does he even understand what he is saying? Did Jesus preach hate? The audio they played from the sermon was ... astonishing.
Quantum_Condom thinks that hate and love are one and the same if the person in question is not a True Christian™.
I just heard on CNN about a pastor preaching about how he hates Obama. That he is going to pray that he dies, goes to hell, and that his children will be fatherless. Does he even understand what he is saying? Did Jesus preach hate? The audio they played from the sermon was ... astonishing.
Quantum_Condom thinks that hate and love are one and the same if the person in question is not a True Christian™.
QUOTE (Meem+)
I just heard on CNN about a pastor preaching about how he hates Obama. That he is going to pray that he dies, goes to hell, and that his children will be fatherless. Does he even understand what he is saying? Did Jesus preach hate? The audio they played from the sermon was ... astonishing.
I just watched the video, heard the sermons you're mentioning. This guy not only lies through his teeth, but advocates violence against the president. He's the christian analog of Muqtada al-Sadr, only worse.
I just watched the video, heard the sermons you're mentioning. This guy not only lies through his teeth, but advocates violence against the president. He's the christian analog of Muqtada al-Sadr, only worse.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanj...a-pastor-steven
He really doesn't understand what he is saying.
When in Rome ... (Romans)
Maybe I should go ask him about this passage and what it means. What do you think? Something tells me I might see the AR-15 from the wrong end.
He really doesn't understand what he is saying.
When in Rome ... (Romans)
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12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Maybe I should go ask him about this passage and what it means. What do you think? Something tells me I might see the AR-15 from the wrong end.
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