New Abundant Super Low Pollution Energy Source

dmoodispaugh

5th December 2009 - 01:47 AM

I have found a new energy source that is very abundant and very low emissions, but i am not a scientist, i am a computer technician with a curious mind and an engineering background. i need funding to move forward with this idea i will happy to provide more information to anyone interested in funding after they sign a nondisclosure agreement. please contact me at newfuelsnow@gmail.com

MjolnirPants

5th December 2009 - 02:00 AM

Moderator: Can we just skip the whole argument and get right to the banning this time?

dmoodispaugh

5th December 2009 - 02:17 AM

why would you ban this post i am not familiar with scientific procedure for verifying this i am asking for help on all levels not just financial. anyone willing to sign a non disclosure can have full access to what notes i have and a copy of the 3d rendering to try it yourself.

MjolnirPants

5th December 2009 - 03:06 AM

QUOTE (dmoodispaugh+Dec 4 2009, 09:17 PM)

why would you ban this post i am not familiar with scientific procedure for verifying this i am asking for help on all levels not just financial. anyone willing to sign a non disclosure can have full access to what notes i have and a copy of the 3d rendering to try it yourself.

Well, there's number 12 on the Crackpot Index:

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10 points for mailing your theory to someone you don't know personally and asking them not to tell anyone else about it, for fear that your ideas will be stolen.

Then there's number 26:

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10 points for mailing your theory to someone you don't know personally and asking them not to tell anyone else about it, for fear that your ideas will be stolen.

Then there's number 26:20 points for talking about how great your theory is, but never actually explaining it.

So you've got 30 points on the crackpot index already. And the crackpot index is specifically geared towards crackpot physical theories, not claims of technological breakthroughs.

The fact that you are soliciting funding on this forum bespeaks fraud. The fact that you would dare to insist upon anyone wanting more information signing an NDA further bespeaks fraud. The fact that you claim to have developed something which your admitted education is ill-suited to developing bespeaks fraud further still.

So I'm of the opinion that you are a fraud. Feel free to prove me wrong by abandoning your request for money, and your requirement that anyone sign an NDA, and simply explain your ideas fully.
That won't necessarily convince me that you aren't a crackpot, mind. For that, your ideas must be consistent, workable, useful and original.

dmoodispaugh

5th December 2009 - 05:07 PM

I will say the current working model is using piezo electricity and water current to generate power, i have a background in computer engineering i know a little about science and a lot about computers. i am merely seeking help with the project, i apologize if i came off wrong by asking for money in the initial post but there is an earth day event in Santa Monica every year and i would like to have a larger scale working model built by then to display at the event. rather than criticizing someone why don't you try asking a question i thought that is what scientists did, but now i remember how you treat each other when one of you finds a break through in your own field so why should i expect to be treated with any kind of respect having no scientific background.

light in the tunnel

5th December 2009 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (dmoodispaugh+Dec 5 2009, 05:07 PM)

I will say the current working model is using piezo electricity and water current to generate power, i have a background in computer engineering i know a little about science and a lot about computers. i am merely seeking help with the project, i apologize if i came off wrong by asking for money in the initial post but there is an earth day event in Santa Monica every year and i would like to have a larger scale working model built by then to display at the event. rather than criticizing someone why don't you try asking a question i thought that is what scientists did, but now i remember how you treat each other when one of you finds a break through in your own field so why should i expect to be treated with any kind of respect having no scientific background.

I am in agreement that there are other paths to knowledge than degree-paths, but if you stay with this web forum for any period of time you will notice that many posters rigorously scrutinize people's academic merit. Once you get used to it, you won't take it so personally. The best way to deal with it is to keep proclamations of status to a minimum and boil your posts down to relevant substantive propositions and questions.

I don't know what piezo electricity is, but if you use whatever knowledge you have of it to briefly explain the aspects of it you are interested in exploiting, then I would be happy to think along with you about your technological aspirations, as would plenty of others I think.

BTW, instead of claiming to have no scientific background while purporting to be working on innovative applications of science-based knowledge, why not just state what you know and maybe what you're vague on and leave it at that? Knowing what you do know and don't already constitutes a basic level of scientific clarity, imo. It certainly puts you ahead of people who think they know everything despite knowing it wrong, or knowing very little.

MjolnirPants

5th December 2009 - 08:04 PM

QUOTE (dmoodispaugh+Dec 5 2009, 12:07 PM)

I will say the current working model is using piezo electricity and water current to generate power, i have a background in computer engineering i know a little about science and a lot about computers. i am merely seeking help with the project, i apologize if i came off wrong by asking for money in the initial post but there is an earth day event in Santa Monica every year and i would like to have a larger scale working model built by then to display at the event. rather than criticizing someone why don't you try asking a question i thought that is what scientists did, but now i remember how you treat each other when one of you finds a break through in your own field so why should i expect to be treated with any kind of respect having no scientific background.

Why don't you simply put together a coherent and detailed presentation? If it has merit, people will flock to the idea. If it doesn't, some people will still flock to it.

light in the tunnel

5th December 2009 - 08:16 PM

QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Dec 5 2009, 08:04 PM)

Why don't you simply put together a coherent and detailed presentation? If it has merit, people will flock to the idea. If it doesn't, some people will still flock to it.

The sad part is that if it doesnt, but it costs a lot of money to produce, some people will flock to it as a marketing ploy to sell whatever the components of it are that cost so much. Every form of economic waste is considered beneficial within the logic of fiscal stimulus that is currently popular in economic politics.

Sometimes I also think that more ridiculous scams actually make more money than less ridiculous ones because they weed out all intelligent investors from the beginning. A scam that is half intelligent will get smart people on board who will see through to whatever the catch is that makes it nonsense. A totally idiotic scam proceeds unchecked by the people who invest in it with blindfolds on from the ground level.

Cynical opinion, I know.

H2O

6th December 2009 - 05:45 AM

If you're serious about this then my suggestion would be to first invest in it academically. Take university in the appropriate subject matter. Electrical and chemical engineering perhaps? Use that to develop it.

light in the tunnel

6th December 2009 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (H2O+Dec 6 2009, 05:45 AM)

If you're serious about this then my suggestion would be to first invest in it academically. Take university in the appropriate subject matter. Electrical and chemical engineering perhaps? Use that to develop it.

It sounds like he is afraid that if he publishes too much about his amazing discovery someone's going to steal it. Didn't you read the part about signing non-disclosure agreements?

TIP: I think all you need to do to prevent others from stealing your idea is to document it in a public venue with a date that can be substantiated. Then, unless someone else can produce documentation that they were working on your idea before you were, you could take them to court for stealing your idea and take their profits.

I'm not a lawyer, so don't quote me on this, but I have the idea that this is the case.

elaine chen

10th December 2009 - 02:20 AM

QUOTE (dmoodispaugh+Dec 5 2009, 01:47 AM)

I have found a new energy source that is very abundant and very low emissions, but i am not a scientist, i am a computer technician with a curious mind and an engineering background. i need funding to move forward with this idea i will happy to provide more information to anyone interested in funding after they sign a nondisclosure agreement. please contact me at newfuelsnow@gmail.com

i enter into the forum to communicate with group members about the topic of Energy source, what you mentioned new energy source is different from mine, do you know the solar energy source? for example, solar energy street lamp, solar energy battery plates...which all use the technology of converting the solar energy into electrical energy, it's energy-saved and evironment protected,no pollution,no radiation, safety,the installation is cheap and maintenance is simple.

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