go here http://www.nature.com/neurosci/neuropod/mp...-2008-05-19.mp3
you can be predicted 7-10 sec before you decide!!
the probability of your predictability is absolute!
free will anyone??
+ The action event horizion possibility that the frame rate of light there is a number of frames of existance that will pass before i push a key that means the button will be pushed before i actually push the button.
in other words before the event has happend it must and will happen before it has.
by an x amount of C
you are a super-cell in a super-organism... where the super-organism tells you what to do !
there is no free will.
An when the mother tells you to die, you die !
there is no free will.
An when the mother tells you to die, you die !
Nice response Zarkov. 
Predictability of events is highly debatable, since you can't assume guessing is simply as effective.
Predictability of events is highly debatable, since you can't assume guessing is simply as effective.
QUOTE (beuis+Jun 29 2008, 07:32 PM)
go here http://www.nature.com/neurosci/neuropod/mp...-2008-05-19.mp3
you can be predicted 7-10 sec before you decide!!
the probability of your predictability is absolute!
free will anyone??
+ The action event horizion possibility that the frame rate of light there is a number of frames of existance that will pass before i push a key that means the button will be pushed before i actually push the button.
in other words before the event has happend it must and will happen before it has.
by an x amount of C
Don't be ridicilus, there possible to kow do pusch buton or not only before say 0.1-0.5 second, no more. And precisly to predict of course nobody can.
you can be predicted 7-10 sec before you decide!!
the probability of your predictability is absolute!
free will anyone??
+ The action event horizion possibility that the frame rate of light there is a number of frames of existance that will pass before i push a key that means the button will be pushed before i actually push the button.
in other words before the event has happend it must and will happen before it has.
by an x amount of C
Don't be ridicilus, there possible to kow do pusch buton or not only before say 0.1-0.5 second, no more. And precisly to predict of course nobody can.
deep conections between space-time, gravity and consciousness
http://www.wbabin.net/sorli/sorli10.pdf
http://www.wbabin.net/sorli/sorli10.pdf
QUOTE (amrit+Sep 6 2008, 06:52 AM)
deep conections between space-time, gravity and consciousness
http://www.wbabin.net/sorli/sorli10.pdf
Amrit: deep connection between monkey and retard.
http://www.wbabin.net/sorli/sorli10.pdf
Amrit: deep connection between monkey and retard.
QUOTE (beuis+Jun 29 2008, 07:32 PM)
go here http://www.nature.com/neurosci/neuropod/mp...-2008-05-19.mp3
you can be predicted 7-10 sec before you decide!!
the probability of your predictability is absolute!
free will anyone??
+ The action event horizion possibility that the frame rate of light there is a number of frames of existance that will pass before i push a key that means the button will be pushed before i actually push the button.
in other words before the event has happend it must and will happen before it has.
by an x amount of C
I made some comments regarding this as well.
If we assume that physics are determined to follow conscious actions and if we assumed that this time could be extended all the way back to the Big Bang, then this line of thought effectively says that the universe was predetermined to follow conscious desires.
I'm personally skeptical of this view though for a couple reasons 1) I don't believe conscious intent can be physically predicted with great certainty as deterministic logic doesn't allow for creative activities and 2) though you may be able to show that physical events are predetermined over a small future with high reliability, it seems quite a stretch to have this imply that the universe has been predetermined for x billion years to follow current conscious actions and there are issues similar to the "butterfly effect" in which small unknowns can grow to have more significant influences on larger scales of mass or energy over time.
Anyway, it's a little hard for me to believe that your comments can be extrapolated to say that x billion years the Big Bang was predetermined to follow conscious desires in the present.
you can be predicted 7-10 sec before you decide!!
the probability of your predictability is absolute!
free will anyone??
+ The action event horizion possibility that the frame rate of light there is a number of frames of existance that will pass before i push a key that means the button will be pushed before i actually push the button.
in other words before the event has happend it must and will happen before it has.
by an x amount of C
I made some comments regarding this as well.
If we assume that physics are determined to follow conscious actions and if we assumed that this time could be extended all the way back to the Big Bang, then this line of thought effectively says that the universe was predetermined to follow conscious desires.
I'm personally skeptical of this view though for a couple reasons 1) I don't believe conscious intent can be physically predicted with great certainty as deterministic logic doesn't allow for creative activities and 2) though you may be able to show that physical events are predetermined over a small future with high reliability, it seems quite a stretch to have this imply that the universe has been predetermined for x billion years to follow current conscious actions and there are issues similar to the "butterfly effect" in which small unknowns can grow to have more significant influences on larger scales of mass or energy over time.
Anyway, it's a little hard for me to believe that your comments can be extrapolated to say that x billion years the Big Bang was predetermined to follow conscious desires in the present.
Couldn't that data be explained if the human brain merely had a buffer between decision and action, like, for instance, doing a quick sanity-check on impulses/urges prior to allowing actions?
Seems more likely to me that we'd have such a buffer if only to prioritize actions, like which to do first, break wind or scratch your nose.
If you're in a clinical study, the sanity-check/prioritization step would be considered a useless waste of time, accounting for the 0.5 sec lapse between intention and action, but if you're talking to your boss, that 0.5 second sanity check might be vital to keeping your job if your impulse is to make a comment that would offend him/her/it.
Seems more likely to me that we'd have such a buffer if only to prioritize actions, like which to do first, break wind or scratch your nose.
If you're in a clinical study, the sanity-check/prioritization step would be considered a useless waste of time, accounting for the 0.5 sec lapse between intention and action, but if you're talking to your boss, that 0.5 second sanity check might be vital to keeping your job if your impulse is to make a comment that would offend him/her/it.
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