if we can build nanotubes etc even tiny micro machines then we can become the alchemists that can turn lead into gold...anything into anything.
this will (has become so already?).
would it not be a good idea although devestating idea to change the atmosphere of mars using nanobots.
It could be like a NEW WORLD ORDERed.
I understand that this sounds silly maybe and we would need to build some kind of space magnetic field generator and warm the planet up a bit.
Sorry if you think this idea is just to crazey but maybe in the year 2100 it may be taken seriously.
As Douglas Adams pointed out its always nice to have a back up copy!
QUOTE (beuis+May 13 2008, 10:18 AM)
if we can build nanotubes etc even tiny micro machines then we can become the alchemists that can turn lead into gold...anything into anything.
Not transform matter. At least not easily.
It has been suggested that nanotech particle accelerators be used to destroy radioactive waste and transform it into more harmless elements. This could be done, but will take huge amounts of energy.
Not transform matter. At least not easily.
It has been suggested that nanotech particle accelerators be used to destroy radioactive waste and transform it into more harmless elements. This could be done, but will take huge amounts of energy.
Guys, the nanobot idea of producing product from robot can only go so far as to building what is thought by the bots. The 'thought' patterns are limited to modern day production. An advancement in capital must take place for any big breakthrough. Swinging arms and sealant is not the answer in current times. 
http://www.physorg.com/news129980833.html
The graphene story on the front page rang a bell here at this thread. Nanobot delivery of the carbon in sheets would be perfect. Q dot methods of a much smaller scale than normally applied would be applied as nanobots smooth the surfaace. Light mavelength can also even out the application of graphene.
The graphene story on the front page rang a bell here at this thread. Nanobot delivery of the carbon in sheets would be perfect. Q dot methods of a much smaller scale than normally applied would be applied as nanobots smooth the surfaace. Light mavelength can also even out the application of graphene.
Sorry about the typing errors. I'm in a dark room.
The growing confluence of nanotechnology, robotics, chemistry, and data/information carrying, each one of these expanding on it's own to boot, has no choice but to transform. The law of accelerating returns is being witnessed.
Between 10^9.5 and 10^7 years before the present, life went from beginning to Family Hominoidea.
By 10^5 years before present there was Sapiens sapiens - us.
We were inventing agriculture by 10^4.
By 10^2.3 years before now was the Industrial Revolution.
By 10^1.4 before now was the personal computer.
What's to keep this billions-year-old exponential unfolding from continuing? As long as we don't go the way of the Drosophila-in-the-jar experiments (which should be solved BY the exponential decrease of the time taken to discover/invent), this juggernaut of human curiosity and drive will most certainly continue. I think we are collectively on a somewhat bumpy ride to an increasingly fantastic potential, as we have always been.
Between 10^9.5 and 10^7 years before the present, life went from beginning to Family Hominoidea.
By 10^5 years before present there was Sapiens sapiens - us.
We were inventing agriculture by 10^4.
By 10^2.3 years before now was the Industrial Revolution.
By 10^1.4 before now was the personal computer.
What's to keep this billions-year-old exponential unfolding from continuing? As long as we don't go the way of the Drosophila-in-the-jar experiments (which should be solved BY the exponential decrease of the time taken to discover/invent), this juggernaut of human curiosity and drive will most certainly continue. I think we are collectively on a somewhat bumpy ride to an increasingly fantastic potential, as we have always been.
Soundhertz, this has always been the case in trial and error throughout history as you mentioned. Funding and time is reaping results already and holding on is our answer.
I think, all in all, collectively, we are and will survive our mistakes, and we are slowly but increasingly learning the things we need to do this. Intelligence and sentient curiosity have proven to be a powerful combo within our little terrarium, but we are learning. I am both pained by the pollution I am forced to make just by living and working as an American in suburbia, and strongly optimistic that we are in an awkward phase of our continuance and are successfully laying down the knowledge to rectify a tough few steps of the ladder that we MUST go thru to get to an ecologically technically stable state. We can't have learned fusion or solar electric before wood coal oil and gas. Kind of like having to swim under that big rock to get to that incredible land on the other side.
Life isn't all fun and games, but some of it sure should be. And our descendants, and maybe even some of us, are going to get to play with some amazing things.Personally I can't wait till we can have a built-in bio-interface so we can, say, not just listen to a song, but BE a song instead - instead of saying "Did you listen to 'The Great Gig in the Sky'? you would say "Were you the 'Great Gig in the Sky' recently"? And you say "No, but I was just 'Sober', man that wipes me out!". Or not just watch a movie anymore but plug in to a character's entire sequence; not video games but full sensory input games, virtual input vacations that also encode into memory like the real thing, a full sensory input rollercoaster collection, a streaming full sensory download interface of planetary, etc. satellites probes etc. which puts you there, synthesized 4D experiences, flying around/within tesseracts etc. And....and....and....
Life isn't all fun and games, but some of it sure should be. And our descendants, and maybe even some of us, are going to get to play with some amazing things.Personally I can't wait till we can have a built-in bio-interface so we can, say, not just listen to a song, but BE a song instead - instead of saying "Did you listen to 'The Great Gig in the Sky'? you would say "Were you the 'Great Gig in the Sky' recently"? And you say "No, but I was just 'Sober', man that wipes me out!". Or not just watch a movie anymore but plug in to a character's entire sequence; not video games but full sensory input games, virtual input vacations that also encode into memory like the real thing, a full sensory input rollercoaster collection, a streaming full sensory download interface of planetary, etc. satellites probes etc. which puts you there, synthesized 4D experiences, flying around/within tesseracts etc. And....and....and....
...and this world sounds brilliant and very doable soundhertz. We must advance in this direction to fully sustain our viable sythesis of technology, mainstream living, and random thought turned reality in play.
Para-synthetic-shareing-emotional-gell-blob: What’s wrong , is there’s no inventiveness in nanotechnologies.
People some day, might want a blob in their homes, to where if they get upset or scared, an additional feeling synthetic blob, can also express emotion.
People some day, might want a blob in their homes, to where if they get upset or scared, an additional feeling synthetic blob, can also express emotion.
Well philip347, you have a nanofriend to think about in the future. 
QUOTE (soundhertz+May 16 2008, 12:53 PM)
The growing confluence of nanotechnology, robotics, chemistry, and data/information carrying, each one of these expanding on it's own to boot, has no choice but to transform. The law of accelerating returns is being witnessed.
Between 10^9.5 and 10^7 years before the present, life went from beginning to Family Hominoidea.
By 10^5 years before present there was Sapiens sapiens - us.
We were inventing agriculture by 10^4.
By 10^2.3 years before now was the Industrial Revolution.
By 10^1.4 before now was the personal computer.
What's to keep this billions-year-old exponential unfolding from continuing? As long as we don't go the way of the Drosophila-in-the-jar experiments (which should be solved BY the exponential decrease of the time taken to discover/invent), this juggernaut of human curiosity and drive will most certainly continue. I think we are collectively on a somewhat bumpy ride to an increasingly fantastic potential, as we have always been.
First of all, anyone who knows that I post infrequently, I am a Christian, so I will make this hypothetical, but keep in mind, in spite of the hypothetical, I don't necessarily think humans will attain such knowledge.
According to my rough estimate, in about 12 years, computer "video cards" will be capable of processing and rendering an animated Hologram of resolution 1024*1024*1024, and with the same frame rate as a modern 3d graphics card assuming such an hologram technology is discovered.
One problem we experience is the fact that it is easier to improve information technology or manipulate virtual realities than it is to discover new technologies in the real world. It is easier to simulate Luke Skywalker using "The Force" than it is to take a scientific principle and transform it into a useful invention that realisticly and practically replaces an existing technology, and at the same time does not instantly destroy the entire world market.
This is example of the radical world economy destroying invention.
If the Utopian Star Trek style food and clothing replicators were invented, you might think the world would instantly be cured of hunger. But what about finances and government?
The entire existing world food industry would be destroyed almost over night. Most people's entire net worth in America, Europe, Central and South America, and most of Asia, would instantly be obliterated. The ensuing chaos resulting from a billion farmers world wide suddenly having no niche in civilization would be unimaginable, not to mention all the other jobs that are directly or indirectly related to farming: Shipping, Trucking, etc. In a matter of days of the announcement of the invention, the entire world economy would be completely over turned. Gold, food, oil, currency, etc, all "worthless" in the blink of an eye. Anarchy runs amok as governments lose any economic authority or validity whatsoever.
---
Unavoidable megadisaster
1) Volcanic Winter(Terrestrial)
If humans have not yet colonized space, we die.
2) Nova Sun(stellar)
If humans have not yet colonized extra-solar space, we die.
3) Super Nova(interstellar)
If humans have not yet colonized beyond a very, very long range from the exploding star, we all die anyway.
4) Intergalactic Collision
If humans have not colonized space beyond the Milky Way, we all die anyway.
5) Cosmic Heat death(or whatever)
Assuming we escape all of the other 4, humanity eventually perishes anyway along with the proton and electron, unless we discover a way to travel to an alternate universe that is in a younger stage of existence and contains planets habitable for life. Wow, sounds like a "New Heaven and a New Earth" to me.
LOL.
Between 10^9.5 and 10^7 years before the present, life went from beginning to Family Hominoidea.
By 10^5 years before present there was Sapiens sapiens - us.
We were inventing agriculture by 10^4.
By 10^2.3 years before now was the Industrial Revolution.
By 10^1.4 before now was the personal computer.
What's to keep this billions-year-old exponential unfolding from continuing? As long as we don't go the way of the Drosophila-in-the-jar experiments (which should be solved BY the exponential decrease of the time taken to discover/invent), this juggernaut of human curiosity and drive will most certainly continue. I think we are collectively on a somewhat bumpy ride to an increasingly fantastic potential, as we have always been.
First of all, anyone who knows that I post infrequently, I am a Christian, so I will make this hypothetical, but keep in mind, in spite of the hypothetical, I don't necessarily think humans will attain such knowledge.
According to my rough estimate, in about 12 years, computer "video cards" will be capable of processing and rendering an animated Hologram of resolution 1024*1024*1024, and with the same frame rate as a modern 3d graphics card assuming such an hologram technology is discovered.
One problem we experience is the fact that it is easier to improve information technology or manipulate virtual realities than it is to discover new technologies in the real world. It is easier to simulate Luke Skywalker using "The Force" than it is to take a scientific principle and transform it into a useful invention that realisticly and practically replaces an existing technology, and at the same time does not instantly destroy the entire world market.
This is example of the radical world economy destroying invention.
If the Utopian Star Trek style food and clothing replicators were invented, you might think the world would instantly be cured of hunger. But what about finances and government?
The entire existing world food industry would be destroyed almost over night. Most people's entire net worth in America, Europe, Central and South America, and most of Asia, would instantly be obliterated. The ensuing chaos resulting from a billion farmers world wide suddenly having no niche in civilization would be unimaginable, not to mention all the other jobs that are directly or indirectly related to farming: Shipping, Trucking, etc. In a matter of days of the announcement of the invention, the entire world economy would be completely over turned. Gold, food, oil, currency, etc, all "worthless" in the blink of an eye. Anarchy runs amok as governments lose any economic authority or validity whatsoever.
---
Unavoidable megadisaster
1) Volcanic Winter(Terrestrial)
If humans have not yet colonized space, we die.
2) Nova Sun(stellar)
If humans have not yet colonized extra-solar space, we die.
3) Super Nova(interstellar)
If humans have not yet colonized beyond a very, very long range from the exploding star, we all die anyway.
4) Intergalactic Collision
If humans have not colonized space beyond the Milky Way, we all die anyway.
5) Cosmic Heat death(or whatever)
Assuming we escape all of the other 4, humanity eventually perishes anyway along with the proton and electron, unless we discover a way to travel to an alternate universe that is in a younger stage of existence and contains planets habitable for life. Wow, sounds like a "New Heaven and a New Earth" to me.
LOL.
Bad thought Quantum Coumdrum. Improving technologies further productivity without replacing workers. Entire industries will never vanish but be helped or aided by nanotech.
One more thing Conundrum. Your examples are sci-fi and actual ones need apply.
QUOTE (midwestern+May 25 2008, 03:18 PM)
One more thing Conundrum. Your examples are sci-fi and actual ones need apply.
My examples may be "sci-fi" but they are not outside the realm of what is plausible.
What can we really say about nanobots? They can theoretically be used to make and repair machines almost right down to the molecular level.
One big problem for nanobots is how do they communicate and how to store information?
Each bot has enough RAM and a transistor to communicate instructs just a few at a time with a central macroscopic computer via radio. It stores teh instructions in memory and processes them just like a remote controlled toy car. microscopic sensors relay sensory data back to the controlling central computer.
In other words, you do most of the processing elsewhere in large super computers.
This is how I would classify "real" nanobots that actually do anything more complicated than move a single molecule.
First generation nanobots would basicly be just microscopic ROVs with a few basic tools.
Second generation nanobots would be very similar, except the central computer has its own AI and doesn't need direct human input once programmed.
Third generation nanobots(maybe impossible) would not need the hub at all. They would have very limited onboard processing, and would be able to network directly with one another to share processing power and coordinate to perform a task. Each bot could store a portion of the core programming, and they would share these files among one another in temporary storage as needed. They would be programmed collectively with a handheld device, and would shut down automaticly after returning to a designated area when the task is completed.
Fourth generation(probably impossible) would be able to store all programs needed onboard each individual nanobot. Once programmed with a handheld device, a spoonful of such bots suspended in water might repair the damage to your stomach caused by an ulcer, etc, and then shut down harmlessly, with no further instructions.
My examples may be "sci-fi" but they are not outside the realm of what is plausible.
What can we really say about nanobots? They can theoretically be used to make and repair machines almost right down to the molecular level.
One big problem for nanobots is how do they communicate and how to store information?
Each bot has enough RAM and a transistor to communicate instructs just a few at a time with a central macroscopic computer via radio. It stores teh instructions in memory and processes them just like a remote controlled toy car. microscopic sensors relay sensory data back to the controlling central computer.
In other words, you do most of the processing elsewhere in large super computers.
This is how I would classify "real" nanobots that actually do anything more complicated than move a single molecule.
First generation nanobots would basicly be just microscopic ROVs with a few basic tools.
Second generation nanobots would be very similar, except the central computer has its own AI and doesn't need direct human input once programmed.
Third generation nanobots(maybe impossible) would not need the hub at all. They would have very limited onboard processing, and would be able to network directly with one another to share processing power and coordinate to perform a task. Each bot could store a portion of the core programming, and they would share these files among one another in temporary storage as needed. They would be programmed collectively with a handheld device, and would shut down automaticly after returning to a designated area when the task is completed.
Fourth generation(probably impossible) would be able to store all programs needed onboard each individual nanobot. Once programmed with a handheld device, a spoonful of such bots suspended in water might repair the damage to your stomach caused by an ulcer, etc, and then shut down harmlessly, with no further instructions.
Excellent progression QC. I have no arguments with any evolutionary processes 1-4, and someone else can comment if they disagree with you. 
Good job.
Good job.
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