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mergatroid
http://www.physorg.com/news101393367.html

No other nation has a tax dollar funded agency that compares to what the US NASA does. The Ruskies try, ditto"s to ESA, but if one really wants to kick the Islamics, ie. Saudi"s, Iranians, Qatarians, Dubains, Kuwaiti"s, etc., in the balls, just bring up NASA in conversation. All that money from Western oil and all the leaders want are French wine, French real estate to vacation in, loose French women, French automobiles and truffles. The Saudi"s don"t even have an automobile model brand like Ford to call their own.

Their Islamic culture sucks out loud. Someone should tell them so.

"The West is the Best" - Jim Morisson, The Doors
kaneda
There is no doubt that NASA is the forefront of most space projects in the world and we would be in a dire state without them. However, projects like the ISS are a total waste of money, as I think the space shuttle was.


European projects are full of fat bureaucrats taking large salaries for doing little or nothing.


Upto about 700 years ago, Islam was one of the most advanced civilisations in the world then the mullahs noticed that emerging knowledge was beginning to contradict allah and the quran so all knowledge was banned and they went back to the dark ages since you cannot have a civilisation founded on reading and living by a book of mistakes. Many would say that in the last seven hundred years, all Islam has contributed to the world is terrorism.
Grey Cloud
What a remarkable display of ignorance and prejudice.
1. What benefits have NASA or any of the other space agencies brought to humanity?
a. Do not say knowledge as they only have theories,
b. Do not say technology as there is no logical reason why technology cannot be developed without a space program.
2. In what way does having an automobile industry relate to civilisation or act as a measure of culture?
3. Why do you confuse arab culture with the Islamic religion?
4. The behaviour of oil-rich arab leaders bears as much resemblance to Islam as does the behaviour of Bush and Blair to their self-professed Christianity.
5. Why do you assume that everyone is as materialistic as yourself?
6. Why is Jim Morrison the best you can do for a quote? What is the source (please, please, don't say the film).
7. If you are going to quote someone at least try to spell their name correctly. It's double 'r' and single 's'.
8. And, just for the record, these same oil-rich arabs own a goodly portion of your country. As do the Japanese (who live in the East).
Boogey Man
To the w_nk that posted the first comment:

Clearly you are a fifth generation ignorant re_ard.

As someone who has lived in countries other than the US I can say America's shopping strip-center consumer goods delivery system is not a "culture" it a business market place.

Islam as you understand it is nothing more than an illusion created by the media.

Next, Islamic fundamentalism is nothing more than a reaction to an American foreign policy which is designed to create chaos in the Middle to destabilize governements and create an excuse for a US Military presence.

America is less than 250 years old, yet America is in visible decline, witness the obesity and education issues. Americans in large swathes of the country couldn't walk to work or take non-existant mass transit systems if they wanted to, this creates a troubling dependency on petroleum which will certainly become more visible in the near future.

Finally, Jim Morrison of the doors was a junkie and heroin addict who suffocated in a pool of his own vomit, is this the "culture" you aspire to?
frethack
America might be less than 250 years old, but we have the longest current standing and stable democracy of any major industrualized power. There is something that can be said of that, especially when it was the tyranny of Europe (and now other countries world wide) that our forefathers sought to escape. While I do not agree with mergatroids idolization of Morrison, and nor do I think that Ford or GM are companies that should be touted (poor quality) I do believe that our country sports a 4.6% unemployment rate that no MAJOR power in the EU, or most of the world, could hope to compete with at this point.

Europe itself is in decline, and has been for generations, and if it doesnt somehow fix the problems with low birth rates (I believe the current average rates are around 1.4 births per couple) then its population will continue to cut in half every generation until it is no longer controlled by Europeans, and exchanges governmental power with the rising Muslim minority. Fortunately for the European nations, this would not be its first decline, and hopefully they will be able to rebound and become the group of nations that they once were.

Now, unless the United States somehow miraculously influenced events for the past 1300 years, I seriously doubt that we would be responsible for all Islamic extremism. Im sure that it was the US that pissed the moors off enough to ravage through southern Europe in the first millennium, then we MUST have convinced Spain to reconquer her own lands, and, though backward time travel is theoretically impossible, George Bush and Bill Clinton probably whispered into the European leaders ears that a series of Crusades would be prudent to take back Jerusalem.

It certainly wasnt the United States that carelessly carved up the exploits of European countries in the Middle East after WWII, who, of course, were ruled with absolute benevolence and with the complete consent of the natives who already lived there. Ask India, Iraq, and Syria what they thought of British, French and Dutch rule. In fact, why dont you ask South America, Central America, North America, and Africa as well. Please dont place the lionshare of the blame for Islamic extremism on America. Its been happening for more than a thousand years.
N O M
QUOTE (mergatroid+Jun 19 2007, 11:56 AM)
Their Islamic culture sucks out loud. Someone should tell them so.

You are confusing Arabic government with Islamic culture.

It's a bit like pointing at Cuba as a typical example of Christian culture.
mergatroid
NOM, the Islamic culture could not produce a group of men who could then organize together and let's say place a Hubble Space Telescope in space and then to share the pictures with the whole wide world. The Islamic culture produces men who, within the twenty-first century, could not collect a large group of individuals together to accomplish anything of importance.

Imagine thinking the Creator of the electron, the electron is that thing that spins around the atom, imagine thinking and believing this Creator wants its Creation (a Muslim) to stick it's butt in the air five times a day and repeat the same words in prayer billions of people in the past said for the last fourteen hundred years. Islamics believe this Creator Allah of theirs actually wants to hear billions of people over the last fourteen hundred years say the same ooh-oohs and ahh-ahhs over and over and over again. The Creator of the electron God LOVES and Blesses (Oh Yes! Praise be HIS Name!) all people who stick their butts in the air five times a day and says these same exact words over and over again. NOM, can't you just wait to hear the next prophetic utterance coming out of the mouth of some goofball Imam in the Middle East? This Imam clown is going to tell its people what the Creator of the electron is thinking. Imagine that!

Your turn to respond, NOM. ph34r.gif

Grey Cloud, Boogy buTTmaN, both of you don't know what the words ignorance or prejudice mean. Wisdom is proper application of knowledge. Perhaps you read the local newspapers. Each of you may then "know" a few things. Each of you may have a particular niche of expertise somewhere, but you're not wise men. Not at all. The both of you sound very immature. Grow up. You talk like ten year old brats.

God gave you two eyes and one mouth so you can see twice as much more than you speak.

kaneda, frethack, this YouTube clip is a stereotypical example of what the Western world is like, and what it also will be like five hundred years from now. Practicing Islam five hundred years from today will be categorized with the Aztecs who marched the virgin girls up the steps of the pyramid and then threw them into the fire pit below ... to appease their gods. Western ideals will prevail and be seen and accepted as the ideal, and Islamic thoughts about God will have been neutered from the minds of the people. Praise be to God to this future state of world affairs.

Support those who support our troops.

I gotta go do something else now.

Bye. smile.gif
yor_on
Hmmm.

"America might be less than 250 years old, but we have the longest current standing and stable democracy of any major industrualized power. There is something that can be said of that, especially when it was the tyranny of Europe (and now other countries world wide) that our forefathers sought to escape."
And how many wars? And how many of those were repelling invaders?

Two new things i believe we have introduced, and one of them are American.
1. Massproduction of needed and unneeded things (American)
2. scientific methodology

And as for the Islamic culture, they took regular baths at that time when we bathed only once a year ;). And their concept of medicine and astronomy's and math were likewise more advanced than the Western civilizations at that time.

I know, that's some time ago. But everything seems to move in cycles so what you lift up to the skies today ...But as far as the Islamic treatment of women i find that repulsive and extremists will never find grace under my eyes. And that counts for all sides.


Enthalpy
"Islamic extremism for 1000 years": well well... During the Reconquista, Jews flew from Europe to Africa to save their lifes. And before, Christians could keep their religion.

"Spain to reconquer her own lands": Errr... Spain didn't exist before the Arab invasions. Spain was created by the Reconquista.

By the way, the Arabs stayed in the peninsula longer than the USA in North America, so mind your words...

Birth rate of 1.4 in Europe: False. And second-generation Muslims living in Europe have the same birth rate as Christians.

Decline of EU: Europe declined at WWI and WWII. Up to the next self-destruction war, for the present time, I see no decline.

However, I do see a clear decline of the USA, since a few years. The US weren't able of conducing two wars, now they're losing both. Iran is on the way of having nukes, neighbours will follow. Chavez is evicting the US influence in several countries. Russia takes its influence back from US (and EU) on Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Kirghistan and more. Even Pakistan could get out of control. And you know what? Europeans aren't necessarily happy of seeing weak USA.

Science and technology are not bound to flourish in USA. From what I see on research papers, scientists there come from overseas, not from the US educational system. This won't last forever, especially as Indians find work opportunities in India.

A word for those of you who seem to believe Kaneda is a US American: He signed "an Briton" some days ago...
Enthalpy
A couple improvements more to Frethack's post...
I dislike the choice of words opposing Europeans and Muslims.
Muslims are at least strong minorities in Kosovo, Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, and are Europeans.
And many black Africans who immigrated to Europe are Christians.

You know what? My religion is far less common than Islam in my country, so I dislike when anybody starts denigrating any minority religion or arguing about power sharing on a religious basis. For historical reasons.

Europeans taking back Jerusalem: Jerusalem hadn't belonged to Europeans before. And about extremism: Before the crusades, Christians and Jews could live in Al Quds. When Christians sacked it, they exterminated all Jews there.

India, Iraq and Syria may have an opinion about Dutch rule, but they didn't experience it.
mergatroid
Herr Enthalapy, listen to me: That was then, this is now.

The Taliban in Afghanistan giggled when requesting-- no, when they were proudly demanding "proof" of BL's complicity from George et al. And remember the scene with Saddam and his boys? Saddam is lowering his binoculars and beamed a big smile over to his generals while the Iraqi anti-aircraft batteries were shooting at Coalition planes patrolling and enforcing No-Fly zones over Iraq.

The Islamic Iranians based in Tehran will be taking a trip to the hospital in the very near future too if they continue to develop nuclear "wherewithall." They are, most likely, going to "expire" in the hospital because of their injuries. This is unfortunate future event because the West are for the most part rational and benevolent people who take pride in solving difficult problems peacefully, when possible. And there is still time before the Islamic idiots of Tehran will cross a certain line and then there will be no choices left for US, or Israel. That is if, within the next very short less than a couple years someone or something does not talk some sense into them and have them stop, cease. Believe me when I say there will never, ever be a nuclear terroristic expression. Never, period. ph34r.gif

The dark clouds looming over the horizon may simply blow away too. Perhaps, in the future, they blew away and people like you and me, the average Joe never found out why. Butt those Islamic Iranian knuckleheads I speak about did not just go away. The real deal, the real story is "For Your Eyes Only," Mr. Bond. smile.gif
Enthalpy
Dear Mergatroid,
I feel your estimation is very biased. The USA have no capability of attacking Iran now nor in the near future. They don't even have the capability of winning in Iraq, so attacking was a mistake. Only Afghanistan was an accessible goal.

The Iranians have understood it, this is why they feel it's time now to develop nukes.

This idea that Western military power can overroll any enemy is simply false. Other nations may have better trained troops (Afghans have been at war for over a generation), more clever or braver soldiers... Weapons are sometimes better in the West, but they make a difference only in certain types of conflicts.

Underestimating the enemy is very dangerous. It shouldn't be done, and is unexpected after a series of defeats. This has lead to the present disaster in Iraq.
mergatroid
Lincoln liked Grant because he didn't "play." Those who support George W. do so for the same reason. ph34r.gif

You're deluded to think military action will not solve the Iranian problem. The Islamic nuclear things will be destroyed, and whatever they do in response, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. They may win some battles by damaging Western cities, and tit for tats may escalate, but the end result will be where Iran is post WWII Germany. Don't delude yourself that our leaders will react and accept other ways and means to end a conflict. The US doesn't spend four hundred billions a year on military stuff to not use it. "The Pentagon" crowd will never forget who did what when. Whether the threat is neutalized through brute force or psychological persuasion, Enthalpy definitely underestimates our own military.

The stickler is our leaders today want history to write the solution was wrought through their personal political finesse and skill. This is the ideal they wish to be known in the history books of tomorrow for. Let's hope this is the course of events.
frethack
We should move this to a political forum. I would really like to reply. Any suggestions?
mergatroid
Yeah, I suppose now that the cats out of the bag it's reasonable to want to do so.

Browse these.
N O M
QUOTE (Grey Cloud+Jun 20 2007, 02:01 AM)
2. In what way does having an automobile industry relate to civilisation or act as a measure of culture?

Though America does make pretty crap cars.
mergatroid
I give up.

This post is for all intents and purposes, now considered "kaputskiied." smile.gif
N O M
QUOTE (mergatroid+Jul 3 2007, 10:19 AM)
I give up.

This post is for all intents and purposes, now considered "kaputskiied." smile.gif

Is that because you admitted to losing your argument?
Trippy
I can't believe the sheer volume of racist BS on this thread.

I thought this was a physics forum.

I'm not going to adress most of the 'points' raised in the thread, but I will say this much.

What have Space agencies contributed to society?
The most obvious answer that comes to my mind is "better, less invasive breast cancer detection techniques" derived from the technology used in things like the Spitzer space telescope.

There are other answers as well, but I don't really care to get into those.
N O M
QUOTE (Trippy+Jul 3 2007, 02:43 PM)
I can't believe the sheer volume of racist BS on this thread.

I quite agree.

It is all too tempting to answer this type of redneck crap with observations about the propaganda and the lack of education on other countries and cultures that certain western countries are guilty of. But that would be falling into the same trap of making generalisations and reconceptions about entire cultures that the other posters have done.

Just because mergatroid is a redneck idiot, doesn't mean that every US citizen is also one.
mergatroid
QUOTE (N O M+Jun 19 2007, 09:06 PM)
You are confusing Arabic government with Islamic culture.

It's a bit like pointing at Cuba as a typical example of Christian culture.

I quickly slapped up Nom, and his argument in a public forum, and then realizing the feelings of humiliation after what I did to "it," "it" reverts to the safety of an adolescent mentality in response.

Nom and his oafish mafia forum brain expends energy and thinks to clean up the filth inside the internet toilets.

NOM, it wasn't because they were so smart that they got the World Trade Center ... the second time around. Your type of mentality pervades law enforcement, so ... of course they got the World Trade Center the second time around.

NOM brains are employed in every level of our government.

Hey, I got one more statement for the "little guy" : Nom, suppose your name is Spurgy instead of NOM, and someone asked you to spell your name. You're the type who would respond with, "Suck Pee, You Are Gee, Why?" I'd be interested to hear you run through the letters of the alphabet. I'm sure everyone at PhysOrg would be interested to hear what letters you and Trippy, Grey Cloud, Boogy AnUS, and the rest of your mafia goon fantasy, Guardian Angel types would BOLDLY inCORRECTIONAL LEE trip up in pronunciation.

NOM is the type of mentality for why they got the World Trade Center the second time around.
Talkin about alphabetic retards, notice NOM and his entourage here at PhysOrg.

No matter how much training or education you give these NOM brains, when they're in the field and on the job, all the training and all the education goes out the window. Instinct always has the gut feeling, intuition is driven by some alphabetic signal from the letters of the time of day it happens to be, or the name of the street they happen to be walking down at the moment, perhaps a clue comes from the many versions of meaning from a stranger asking, "Do you have the time?" People like NOM employed in a law enforcement capacity listen for these alphabetic signals sixteen waking hours a day, 365 a year. No training will erase a NOM brain mentality from these thoughts and clues while they're "on the job."

NOM brain mentalities are The Finest. And ..., yes, of course they got the World Trade Center the second time around.

Respond BOLDLY now, you pig stupid rats. ph34r.gif
N O M
Sorry mergatroid, I only just noticed your reply.

Wow, what a witty repartee
tikay
QUOTE (kaneda+Jun 19 2007, 04:39 AM)



European projects are full of fat bureaucrats taking large salaries for doing little or nothing.


Which countries bureaucrats are very different?


Anyone may answer because I guess Kaneda has been ousted, and I was answering this "in general".
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