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Authorities in Guiyang, capital of Guizhou Province, announced yesterday that they had received 160 million yuan (US$20 million) from a Taiwan-based company to construct a UFO research base.

Some people in the city"s Baiyun District believe they were visited by aliens in 1994, and with this new research base, they hope to reproduce the mysterious moment, through photos and historical documentation.

On November 30, 1994, more than 27 hectares of masson pines in a forest farm in the district mysteriously fell down. However, nearby plastic shelters stood intact.

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Addition: Kecksburg marks 40th anniversary of purported UFO crash. On Dec. 9, 1965, a fireball was reported streaking over four states, across the Pittsburgh area and toward Greensburg.
feri
I believe that we don't live alone in this universe. it's too bad I've never seen alien or such thing like that...in my life. wink.gif
M-Moss
With a universe so large.. How could we be the only intelligent beings out there?
Lonk
Hm, I'd say visiting a polluted planet ruled by an arrogant, selfish and violent kind of animal isnt the most intelligent attitude ever.
Mork from Ork
"Intelligent" is too strong a word. I doubt there's any intelligence in the universe. We are all acting according to what's written in our DNA. Our behaviors and cultures aren't that different from crystal growth.
Bastard
I dont believe in determinism and you cant prove it either so dont say we are acting according to whats "written".
Zonk
Unfortunately you're wrong... human behavior... and any other kind of behavior is entirely quantifiable in the macro scale. Including your resistance to it.
Guest_simiantard
At any given moment your action is a reaction to any given moment. Its too bad that such a simple thing is so hard to understand by most humans.

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Stijn
What a perfect example of how a discussion starts with topic A and quickly turns into a discussion about topic Z.

People, we are talking about topic A: Alien Life Forms.

For anybody with an IQ over that of mud and who doesn't just depend on its television set when dealing with all sorts of news and issues happening in the world, will finally stumble on the wealth of information about UFO's.

When looking at the physical and testimony evidence on the subject of UFO's, you'll quickly realize that there is a lot of stuff that is worth investigation. So don't waste your time too much turning your effort into discussions that are no more than discussions on metaphysical issues.

vinny
www.pinebushufo.com


THe truth is there.... check it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guest_frasersteen
well as long as they don't hcak into my PC!!
Mork from Ork
Stijn wrote

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For anybody with an IQ over that of mud and who doesn't just depend on its television set when dealing with all sorts of news and issues happening in the world, will finally stumble on the wealth of information about UFO's.



You're certainly the bright one... getting all your reliable information from a discussion like this. .... we're not worthy.... we're not worthy..... LOL

Don't you get it? that investment from Taiwan is in contemplation of a tourist destination in Guiyang China... the company's brilliant. In a few years that place will be like Roswell, New Mexico.... and annual alien festival and all. They'll get their $20 million US back in no time. It's the oldest promotional tactic in the book, and sheep like you continue to get fleeced. You're a real smart one alright... real smart.


Don't worry alien-on-earth-now promoters love all you gullible alien-on-earth believers.... even if Jesus didn't wink.gif
Guest
Forget about the starving and poverty stricken children on our planet, lets put our money and efforts into finding starving and poverty stricken klingons.
Bastard
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Unfortunately you're wrong... human behavior... and any other kind of behavior is entirely quantifiable in the macro scale. Including your resistance to it.


Oh Im sorry Im such an idiot. Im guessing god told you that because you just tell me Im wrong and you dont prove me anything. I dont believe in determinism and you cant prove it. If you want to believe in a world where everything is written go ahead but dont tell me Im wrong because your belief is not much different from a religion and that cant be proved or refuted.

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Unfortunately you're wrong... human behavior... and any other kind of behavior is entirely quantifiable in the macro scale. Including your resistance to it.


Oh Im sorry Im such an idiot. Im guessing god told you that because you just tell me Im wrong and you dont prove me anything. I dont believe in determinism and you cant prove it. If you want to believe in a world where everything is written go ahead but dont tell me Im wrong because your belief is not much different from a religion and that cant be proved or refuted.

At any given moment your action is a reaction to any given moment. Its too bad that such a simple thing is so hard to understand by most humans.


You just say its a "simple thing" but you dont give any "simple proofs" for it. Just because something is simple it doesnt mean its true but simple minds dont notice that.

You people instead of saying things are the way you want them to be you should give proofs for what you say. In science things are proved or refuted not just affirmed but maybe you guys dont care about science and just care about your beliefs?
Mork from Ork
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Oh Im sorry Im such an idiot. Im guessing god told you that because you just tell me Im wrong and you dont prove me anything. I dont believe in determinism and you cant prove it. If you want to believe in a world where everything is written go ahead but dont tell me Im wrong because your belief is not much different from a religion and that cant be proved or refuted.



Humans are entirely predictable. Humans only exhibit a limited range of behavior. Even the way they build their dwellings and exploit their environment is boringly predictable. It's very much like when a geologist looks at a crystal and know almost instantly what kind it is. Diamonds grow a certain way, emeralds have a distinct pattern, rubies, sapphires, quartz. Bacterial or fungal growth is the same way. Different strains form distinct patterns that is very apparent to people who study them.

The so called "human intelligence" is the same way. It follows very predictable patterns. It might seem like people are actually thinking and making decisions rationally, but in fact they aren't. It's no more than an expression of a narrow range of possibilities from which they can never break out. Your anger is well within this constraint. Your rigid and limited thought process is a classic signature of "human intelligence". Your belief that there is a shepherd up there in the heavens... also a hallmark of being human. Never mind that UP is pointing in a different direction at any given moment. Believe me the sooner you humans accept that you have no intelligence, the better off you will be. Here in Ork there are still remnants of people like you earthlings (that is what you call yourselves right) but most of us have gotten past that... good luck to you all... farewell.

Oh yeah... we hacked your computers looooong ago.

Mork
Stijn
In response to Mork from Ork or Zonk or whatever cave-men name you are giving yourself today or in the future:

If there is one thing that is deterministic or predictable in this world about human behaviour than it is the reaction of an uninformed-never-read-a-descent-book-on-the-subject sceptic laugh.gif who thinks he's all ratio. Hohaaa !!!

Yeah man !!! Your DNA tells me that tomorrow you are going to have peanut butter on your bread and not cheese. Then you'll pour about a quarter of a litre of milk over your cereal and go to your job (you have a job do you !?), all because some deterministic law made you do this (we haven't found such a law yet do we, tell me, I'm at the tip of my chair !!!).
Let me tell you something about science in case you didn't know: science is all about a theory that describes the world in the best way it can, UNTIL a better theory comes up who either disproves the old theory or showed that the old theory needed some tweaking. My emphasis is on two things. One is the fact that theory with age can turn out to be wrong. Two is the word DESCRIBES or DESCRIPTION. Science doesn't say anything about the ultimate meaning of the world. It is merely a description which stands as long as there is no experimental proof to disprove it. It doesn't say anything about the real world. It only puts you in front of bigger more profound questions that make you scratch your head even harder. My gut tells me you never experienced such a thing. You first and foremost simply don't grasp the difference between physics and metaphysics, do you ? You are entering the domain of metaphysics with your bullocks about "human behaviour is quantifiable in the macro scale. Including (y)our resistance to it". You made me smile today, really !!!! Were did you pick that up ??

Let's return to Subject A again, because you are again crying about Topic Z all the time. I certainly hope that this is going to be a profitable multi-million or multi-billion endeavor. It will only work more in favor of the mindset that most people have in this blog. It certainly isn't going to ridicule the existence of extraterrestrial life on This planet. Man, wake up !!

Hear what you are saying. Does your little theory "It's all about the money" prove anything that alien life is possible or not. Man, you wondered into a forest you don't know anything about and now you're yelling about intelligence. And let me tell you something else, if we as humans were to spring from pure evolution, from mud to humans as a matter of speaking, then statistically speaking, it is inevitable that We Are Not Alone, as other people tried to explain you. Don't you read anything on this website ??? Don't you read about the possible existence of water on Mars en maybe cellular life. Let me schine a light, so can get out of your mess.

So please continue saying 'No' to this and everybody and having THE final word in this blog, it will only mean one thing: Everybody just got bored with your small ideas that you probably picked up somewhere in high school.

It stands a fact now that only one person felt attacked. Did you ever consider that fact ?

If is is any comfort, I might not love you, but Jesus does, he certainly does wink.gif You have one friend in high places.

I'm signing off from this blog, It's too much a waste of time to talk about metaphysical issues with such hardheaded people.

So just "talk to the hand" if you want to respond.

Stijn
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And a warm goodbye to all the rest.
Zornk from Ornk
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If there is one thing that is deterministic or predictable in this world about human behaviour than it is the reaction of an uninformed-never-read-a-descent-book-on-the-subject sceptic laugh.gif who thinks he's all ratio. Hohaaa !!!



Please do tell us about these erudite "DESCENT" books! Should have used the spell checker on that one. Your fellow earthlings might respect you a little more. SKEPTIC
is spelled with a K while we're at it.

Come back when you learn how to spell.

Probably can't tell teh difference between DECENT and DESCENT

Zornk
amok
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Probably can't tell teh difference between DECENT and DESCENT


Arguments about spelling are about as low as you get in this digital world. If you do not have the comprehension to understand context then that's a personal problem. Do you also mock people that stutter or have speech difficulties? Has anyone complained to hawking that since he cannot talk he has no idea what he is talking about?

Contentrate on what's important.

I agree with the tourist attraction concept, because it will indeed generate hype and money. It also has potential for actual research if done right. There are numerous things that we do not know about, and putting money into any of them (because there is plenty of money to go around if they can spend on this) is never a truly bad thing.

- Amok
Nessus
Unless its homeopathy tongue.gif
Bastard
QUOTE
Here in Ork there are still remnants of people like you earthlings (that is what you call yourselves right) but most of us have gotten past that... good luck to you all... farewell.


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Here in Ork there are still remnants of people like you earthlings (that is what you call yourselves right) but most of us have gotten past that... good luck to you all... farewell.


Come back when you learn how to spell.


This discussion cant enter a lower level of intelligence...
The pathological liar who identifies himself as an alien creature criticizes the fact that one of our fellow human posters cant spell correctly? Ill have to make a great effort to try to be serious and answer to you my friendly alien/psycho.

Lets see what I posted and what you answered:

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Oh Im sorry Im such an idiot. Im guessing god told you that because you just tell me Im wrong and you dont prove me anything. I dont believe in determinism and you cant prove it. If you want to believe in a world where everything is written go ahead but dont tell me Im wrong because your belief is not much different from a religion and that cant be proved or refuted.


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Oh Im sorry Im such an idiot. Im guessing god told you that because you just tell me Im wrong and you dont prove me anything. I dont believe in determinism and you cant prove it. If you want to believe in a world where everything is written go ahead but dont tell me Im wrong because your belief is not much different from a religion and that cant be proved or refuted.


Humans are entirely predictable. Humans only exhibit a limited range of behavior. Even the way they build their dwellings and exploit their environment is boringly predictable. It's very much like when a geologist looks at a crystal and know almost instantly what kind it is. Diamonds grow a certain way, emeralds have a distinct pattern, rubies, sapphires, quartz. Bacterial or fungal growth is the same way. Different strains form distinct patterns that is very apparent to people who study them.

The so called "human intelligence" is the same way. It follows very predictable patterns. It might seem like people are actually thinking and making decisions rationally, but in fact they aren't. It's no more than an expression of a narrow range of possibilities from which they can never break out. Your anger is well within this constraint. Your rigid and limited thought process is a classic signature of "human intelligence". Your belief that there is a shepherd up there in the heavens... also a hallmark of being human. Never mind that UP is pointing in a different direction at any given moment. Believe me the sooner you humans accept that you have no intelligence, the better off you will be. Here in Ork there are still remnants of people like you earthlings (that is what you call yourselves right) but most of us have gotten past that... good luck to you all... farewell.

Oh yeah... we hacked your computers looooong ago.

Mork


Ok you basically ignore everything that I said and repeated for the third time what your alien bible says so Im guessing you have no answer for those things.
Some things are worth mentioning though:

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We are all acting according to what's written in our DNA


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We are all acting according to what's written in our DNA


Humans are entirely predictable. Humans only exhibit a limited range of behavior.


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The so called "human intelligence" is the same way. It follows very predictable patterns.


Is it me or our little alien is losing some faith in its religion? You first said that everything is written and now you say that humans follow predictable patterns. Quite a difference. The fact that you believe some patterns can be predicted does not mean everything is written. I could accept that some people have a predictable behavior (BTW I call them idiots) but not everyone is like that. Accepting such a thing could indeed lead to believe that humans at macro scale are predictable but could someone living in the XIX century predict the hippie movement of the sixties?
Theres also another difficulty to predict human patterns at macro scale. The macro scale has always been influenced by exceptional people (should I name a few or does our alien know a little about human history?) that have changed human behavior forever.
For a person living in 1800 to predict our current society and its patterns he should have predicted the invention of the airplane and the atomic bomb and Elvis Presley.

Now about the proofs for your theory:

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The so called "human intelligence" is the same way. It follows very predictable patterns.


Is it me or our little alien is losing some faith in its religion? You first said that everything is written and now you say that humans follow predictable patterns. Quite a difference. The fact that you believe some patterns can be predicted does not mean everything is written. I could accept that some people have a predictable behavior (BTW I call them idiots) but not everyone is like that. Accepting such a thing could indeed lead to believe that humans at macro scale are predictable but could someone living in the XIX century predict the hippie movement of the sixties?
Theres also another difficulty to predict human patterns at macro scale. The macro scale has always been influenced by exceptional people (should I name a few or does our alien know a little about human history?) that have changed human behavior forever.
For a person living in 1800 to predict our current society and its patterns he should have predicted the invention of the airplane and the atomic bomb and Elvis Presley.

Now about the proofs for your theory:

Humans are entirely predictable.


Affirmation

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Humans only exhibit a limited range of behavior.


Affirmation

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Humans only exhibit a limited range of behavior.


Affirmation

Even the way they build their dwellings and exploit their environment is boringly predictable.


Affirmation

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It's very much like when a geologist looks at a crystal and know almost instantly what kind it is. Diamonds grow a certain way, emeralds have a distinct pattern, rubies, sapphires, quartz.


Analogy

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It's very much like when a geologist looks at a crystal and know almost instantly what kind it is. Diamonds grow a certain way, emeralds have a distinct pattern, rubies, sapphires, quartz.


Analogy

Bacterial or fungal growth is the same way. Different strains form distinct patterns that is very apparent to people who study them.


Analogy... (Yawn)

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The so called "human intelligence" is the same way. It follows very predictable patterns. It might seem like people are actually thinking and making decisions rationally, but in fact they aren't. It's no more than an expression of a narrow range of possibilities from which they can never break out.


Affirmation * 4

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The so called "human intelligence" is the same way. It follows very predictable patterns. It might seem like people are actually thinking and making decisions rationally, but in fact they aren't. It's no more than an expression of a narrow range of possibilities from which they can never break out.


Affirmation * 4

Your anger is well within this constraint. Your rigid and limited thought process is a classic signature of "human intelligence".


Im a very predictable person aint I? You on the other hand are the brightest creature of the universe.

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Your belief that there is a shepherd up there in the heavens... also a hallmark of being human.


Oh!!! You couldnt predict that I dont believe in god??? Im so disappointed!

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Your belief that there is a shepherd up there in the heavens... also a hallmark of being human.


Oh!!! You couldnt predict that I dont believe in god??? Im so disappointed!

Never mind that UP is pointing in a different direction at any given moment.


Wow... Now you proved that god doesnt exist! Aliens rule.

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Believe me the sooner you humans accept that you have no intelligence, the better off you will be.


Why should I believe an alien? BTW free will is not entirely tied up to intelligence.

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Believe me the sooner you humans accept that you have no intelligence, the better off you will be.


Why should I believe an alien? BTW free will is not entirely tied up to intelligence.

Here in Ork there are still remnants of people like you earthlings (that is what you call yourselves right) but most of us have gotten past that... good luck to you all... farewell.

Oh yeah... we hacked your computers looooong ago.

Mork


Drugs?

Now I notice a pattern here.
In the case your highly evolved brains didnt notice I would like to point out that affirmations and analogies dont prove a theory no matter how loud you shout them.
But after all such an illuminated being like you does not need to give proofs or arguments for anything he says right?
Guest
Sick religious people everywhere.
Religion messes up the whole world.
And that's not only islam, but Americans are just as bad with their christianity.
Believe what you want, but don't mess with science, and let rational people really think about issues.
Bloy
QUOTE (Mork from Ork+Dec 10 2005, 06:49 PM)
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Oh Im sorry Im such an idiot. Im guessing god told you that because you just tell me Im wrong and you dont prove me anything. I dont believe in determinism and you cant prove it. If you want to believe in a world where everything is written go ahead but dont tell me Im wrong because your belief is not much different from a religion and that cant be proved or refuted.



Humans are entirely predictable. Humans only exhibit a limited range of behavior. Even the way they build their dwellings and exploit their environment is boringly predictable. It's very much like when a geologist looks at a crystal and know almost instantly what kind it is. Diamonds grow a certain way, emeralds have a distinct pattern, rubies, sapphires, quartz. Bacterial or fungal growth is the same way. Different strains form distinct patterns that is very apparent to people who study them.

The so called "human intelligence" is the same way. It follows very predictable patterns. It might seem like people are actually thinking and making decisions rationally, but in fact they aren't. It's no more than an expression of a narrow range of possibilities from which they can never break out. Your anger is well within this constraint. Your rigid and limited thought process is a classic signature of "human intelligence". Your belief that there is a shepherd up there in the heavens... also a hallmark of being human. Never mind that UP is pointing in a different direction at any given moment. Believe me the sooner you humans accept that you have no intelligence, the better off you will be. Here in Ork there are still remnants of people like you earthlings (that is what you call yourselves right) but most of us have gotten past that... good luck to you all... farewell.

Oh yeah... we hacked your computers looooong ago.

Mork

Could you provide, if not classified, photos and information of your dwelling? Maybe you could nudge our intelligence a smidgeon, and enlighten us earthlings as to a better way of life.
...after all, an intelligent being would quell its arrogance and offer insights to those who are still infants. How would YOU treat your chldren or neighbors born into a universe with no understanding?
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Wild
hmm so here we all are arguing/conversing/debating callit what you will:), about things that arent going tomatter without a healthy planet to live on. Careing for 'our' planet is the ONE THING ALL COUNTRIES CAN AGREE ON and find a common respect, and goal in. Too bad USA is 24% of the pollution and not signing the deal...sad. WE DO have the power to change it.
About a year ago I saw a flying saucer for the first time. Once you see it, you know, theres no question, it's just oneof those things. ph34r.gif
.....thats all for now:)
-Wild
krreagan
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 12 2005, 09:35 AM)
Sick religious people everywhere.
Religion messes up the whole world.
And that's not only islam, but Americans are just as bad with their christianity.
Believe what you want, but don't mess with science, and let rational people really think about issues.

I take offense to that! Do not associate Americans in general with Christianity! They just shout the loudest! We have enough trouble countering this illusion without the rest of the world adding to it!

Krreagan
krreagan
All this talk of UFO's is interesting, especially on a forum that is dedicated to the physical sciences and technology. There has been a great deal of talk/activity about UFO's since the mid 50's and yet there is no incontrovertible evidence that exist. You would think that there would be some possitive physical proof out there some where to support it. The fact that this type of forum has so many people that are willing to ignore the lack of direct incontrovertible physical evidence is astounding!

Most people would not trust the government to tie their shoes, yet believe that this same government can keep and maintain silence on a number of supposed events strikes me a little strange.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe there is life out there and hope that some method of faster then light travel exists, I just don't see enough evidence to support the theory that we are being visited by beings from another solar system. And I don't believe that the government is competent enough to effectively cover it up for any length of time!

Krreagan
Wild
First of all. There is beyond an insurmountable amount ofphysical evidence thay christianity has killed off more cultures, people and bleiefes than any other thing ever in history including the plague. Considered heathans countless cultures shunned and banned, killed, hunted, disregarded all in the name of a book. Native americans, Scandinavians. Their alters covered in their own blood fighting crusaders, and churches built right apon them in utter disregard of once a peaceful and harmonious culture of strong and beautiful people. Desensitization is that of the christian world. The first image a child beholds is a dead man revered as sacred. blink.gif
And the killing has snowballed and species are killed off every day, disregarded, shamed and hushed and so blind to the FACT the food chain is something we are undeniably on, and cannot live without. Respect for the existence of other life is such a hard thing to learn? Seems even to respect our own is futile.
Do not even begin to prance your christian ponting of the finger when it alone and the confusion its created in the minds through time has killed more than anything ever recorded. If there is not enough physical evidence for you to sapport these FACTS than you are simply logically challenged.
After you see a saucer in the air or something you know if from beyond, then it is just your conditioned mind or as you see it lack of evidence, regardless of all the world wide footage of them caught on tape and on various sites. Open your mind.
It's out there.
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Common Sense
First of all:

UFO = Unidentified Flying Object

If I could make something that flew but no one recognized it or even suspected it was of human origin, it wouldn't make it extra-terrestrial.

So a $20 Million dollar UFO research center is nothing more than a $20 million dollar center devoted to researching elegid flying objects that people only believe are extra terrestrial.

Second of all:

I, personally, have seen 2 UFOs. Here me out, please.

About mid-December 8 or so years ago, I was outside on a clear night (around 1 AM) talking to my older brother. he was smoking a cigarette and we both were just leaning back on a hammock in our back yard w/ a clear view of the open sky. We could see MANY MANY MANY stars. Just sitting there talking to my brother looking at the stars, we saw something that looked about the size of a star zoom across the sky at amazing speeds. It's path is best described as a Z across the celestial sphere, only it would appear that both of the legs extended 2/3rds or so across the celestial sphere, overlapping at the middle third where the / was. I wouldn't have been so amazed had at each turn the object seem to defy all laws of inertia as if changing momentum/direction was done instantaneously w/o any indication in changing speed. Anyhow, after I saw this I asked my brother if he saw it and he just looked at me amazed and looked back up. Of course, anyone I told responded with the expected skepticism.

4 years later a friend and I were riding along highway 1 (Two Notch Rd.) going to drink it up with some ladyfriends. The area was clearly part of suberbia--vacant strip malls lining the major road with enterences to neighborhoods between. After proceeding through a traffic-light, I remember being distracted from the road ahead by some blue lights in my periphery. At the time it would be fair to say that I thought I was getting ready to be pulled. When I looked towards the lights, I realized that the blue lights I saw were not from the road, but just over the treeline (pines) which were across railroad tracks from the road I was riding. The only lights from the Unidentified Flying Object were at two points. Imagine a bolo swung with the two weighted balls emitting blue light, so in essence, the lights were revolving around a central point between them. My buddy only got a short glimpse of the light through the sunroof of my 86' prelude before they disappeared behind the treeline.

With both of these accounts, I still will tell you that I do not believe or disbelieve in extra terrestrials. If they are out there, they are. If not, then well... we're pretty special.
Common Sense
QUOTE (Wild+Dec 13 2005, 03:08 AM)
First of all. There is beyond an insurmountable amount ofphysical evidence thay christianity has killed off more cultures, people and bleiefes than any other thing ever in history including the plague. Considered heathans countless cultures shunned and banned, killed, hunted, disregarded all in the name of a book. Native americans, Scandinavians. Their alters covered in their own blood fighting crusaders, and churches built right apon them in utter disregard of once a peaceful and harmonious culture of strong and beautiful people. Desensitization is that of the christian world. The first image a child beholds is a dead man revered as sacred. blink.gif
And the killing has snowballed and species are killed off every day, disregarded, shamed and hushed and so blind to the FACT the food chain is something we are undeniably on, and cannot live without. Respect for the existence of other life is such a hard thing to learn? Seems even to respect our own is futile.
Do not even begin to prance your christian ponting of the finger when it alone and the confusion its created in the minds through time has killed more than anything ever recorded. If there is not enough physical evidence for you to sapport these FACTS than you are simply logically challenged.
After you see a saucer in the air or something you know if from beyond, then it is just your conditioned mind or as you see it lack of evidence, regardless of all the world wide footage of them caught on tape and on various sites. Open your mind.
It's out there.
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Wild:

I am laughing hysterically. Christianity does not kill. History and prophesy can not kill. In fact, the teachings of Christ are those of peace and love, yet prophesy what will happen to those who do not seek repentance. The only thing that kills are those that kill.

I do agree with you that many wars have been faught in the name of Christianity. Perhaps the first of these wars were faught by the Roman ruler, Constantine the Great, only a few centuries after Christ's resurrection.

My point is that you can be bitter towards Christian's for their violence and oppressiveness but differentiate Jesus's teachings (what we are supposed to do) and acts professed in the name of Christ.

Furthurmore, I imagine you are one of the many here who disagree with the war in Iraq. I, personally, think G. W.'s motives are naive; that he wants to make a strong presence in Iraq and Afganistan so that when the Jewish Israelis try to rebuild the temple (which will prelude the 2nd coming of Christ / rapture), not only will those Jews have less Muslim resistance, but they will most likely have more support (from our militia there). I think G.W. is trying to hurry the end of times. I, nor most of you, do not approve of this.



A couple things to watch out for:

It is the nature of most cultures to have war. The proto-mongoloids that inhabited the US prior to Europe's colinization already had their fair share of oppressive murdering tribes. Scalping, Pillaging, plundering--these were not invented by Christianity.

Be cautious to blame Christianity for the lack of cultures in the world. Americans influence with pop-culture, mass media (tabloids, TV, MTV, Entertainment Tonight), unnecessary cosmetic plastic surgery -- these are some of the prime componants of the melting pot we see. Although Culture and Religion are not necessarily mutually exclusive, they are not synonomous.

Some of the most racially, culturally and religiously diverse countries are countries that are predominately Christian. In fact, Christians practicing their faith can even live in peace with Satanists; certainly the Christian's make a couple of attempts to witness to the Satanists and the Satanist's are annoyed but it doesn't mean that the Christian gears up with gun/sword in hand and goes to kill the Satanist.
krreagan
QUOTE (Common Sense+Dec 13 2005, 06:23 AM)
QUOTE (Wild+Dec 13 2005, 03:08 AM)
First of all. There is beyond an insurmountable amount ofphysical evidence thay christianity has killed off more cultures, people and bleiefes than any other thing ever in history including the plague. Considered heathans countless cultures shunned and banned, killed, hunted, disregarded all in the name of a book. Native americans, Scandinavians. Their alters covered in their own blood fighting crusaders, and churches built right apon them in utter disregard of once a peaceful and harmonious culture of strong and beautiful people. Desensitization is that of the christian world. The first image a child beholds is a dead man revered as sacred.  blink.gif
And the killing has snowballed and species are killed off every day, disregarded, shamed and hushed and so blind to the FACT the food chain is something we are undeniably on, and cannot live without. Respect for the existence of other life is such a hard thing to learn? Seems even to respect our own is futile.
Do not even begin to prance your christian ponting of the finger when it alone and the confusion its created in the minds through time has killed more than anything ever recorded. If there is not enough physical evidence for you to sapport these FACTS than you are simply logically challenged.
After you see a saucer in the air or something you know if from beyond, then it is just your conditioned mind or as you see it lack of evidence, regardless of all the world wide footage of them caught on tape and on various sites. Open your mind.
It's out there.
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Wild:

I am laughing hysterically. Christianity does not kill. History and prophesy can not kill. In fact, the teachings of Christ are those of peace and love, yet prophesy what will happen to those who do not seek repentance. The only thing that kills are those that kill.

I do agree with you that many wars have been faught in the name of Christianity. Perhaps the first of these wars were faught by the Roman ruler, Constantine the Great, only a few centuries after Christ's resurrection.

My point is that you can be bitter towards Christian's for their violence and oppressiveness but differentiate Jesus's teachings (what we are supposed to do) and acts professed in the name of Christ.

Furthurmore, I imagine you are one of the many here who disagree with the war in Iraq. I, personally, think G. W.'s motives are naive; that he wants to make a strong presence in Iraq and Afganistan so that when the Jewish Israelis try to rebuild the temple (which will prelude the 2nd coming of Christ / rapture), not only will those Jews have less Muslim resistance, but they will most likely have more support (from our militia there). I think G.W. is trying to hurry the end of times. I, nor most of you, do not approve of this.



A couple things to watch out for:

It is the nature of most cultures to have war. The proto-mongoloids that inhabited the US prior to Europe's colinization already had their fair share of oppressive murdering tribes. Scalping, Pillaging, plundering--these were not invented by Christianity.

Be cautious to blame Christianity for the lack of cultures in the world. Americans influence with pop-culture, mass media (tabloids, TV, MTV, Entertainment Tonight), unnecessary cosmetic plastic surgery -- these are some of the prime componants of the melting pot we see. Although Culture and Religion are not necessarily mutually exclusive, they are not synonomous.

Some of the most racially, culturally and religiously diverse countries are countries that are predominately Christian. In fact, Christians practicing their faith can even live in peace with Satanists; certainly the Christian's make a couple of attempts to witness to the Satanists and the Satanist's are annoyed but it doesn't mean that the Christian gears up with gun/sword in hand and goes to kill the Satanist.

It's not Christianity that kills, It's the teachings of Christianity (and many other religions) that can cause people to kill! When one of the main precepts of your faith is that the believers are "saved" and the "non-believers" are banished to hell for eternity, the inevitable consequence is that the lives of non-believers are not worth, in the minds of the believers, spit!. Therefore it's very easy to justify just about any behavior, including, killing, torture, maiming... in the name of saving the "non-belivers" You name it and it has been justified in the name of (and teachings of) Christ!. This is not a side effect, but a designed tool the religions have used over the centuries to control, conquer, subjagate... the peoples of the earth.

You cannot separate the teachings of Christ and what Christ teaches!

Krreagan
Bastard
Fundamentalism is what has killed people around the globe and that is not only present in christianity or religion.
Guest_Wild
It seems this subject has clearly been derailed, and of which I clearly contributed to as well. Thanks for everyones input into it all. It's true as the saying guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns are just a medium used to do it. Kindof like repression, shame, and a warped morality I see christians doing. I see all the good people are trying to point out and thats great. I hope the 'good' things can be opened and generated into use into our lives, regardless of the beliefes we all have.
earthymom
The "us vs. them" mentality is not unique to any culture, religion, political system, or location. I just want to point out that organizations, like organisms, evolve over time. I nearly fell off a pew when I heard a Catholic priest quote the Dali Lama during Mass several years ago. Catholic leadership (and I am told Protestant as well) has over the last few years been emphacizing environmental issues and pushing "being green" as spiritually important.

I neither advocate nor discourage any religion. In my youth I had no tolerance for the intolerant. I am more optimistic now. Despite the G.W. Bushes of the world humanity is headed in a positive direction -- just slowly. I hope that we, as a species, will evolve and grow quickly enough to a)rescue our home planet from destruction at our own hands and b)be open minded and tolerant enough that beings from other planets could safely interact with us. smile.gif
herbo21k
Yo! I thought this discussion was about UFO's? How did Jesus, the Inquisition, Hundred Years War, Iraq and GWBush get on board?
Frank DK
Well, as every living thing they need water too, right?
Frank DK
-I mean, offcourse they get water from earth, I believe.
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