First of all. There is beyond an insurmountable amount ofphysical evidence thay christianity has killed off more cultures, people and bleiefes than any other thing ever in history including the plague. Considered heathans countless cultures shunned and banned, killed, hunted, disregarded all in the name of a book. Native americans, Scandinavians. Their alters covered in their own blood fighting crusaders, and churches built right apon them in utter disregard of once a peaceful and harmonious culture of strong and beautiful people. Desensitization is that of the christian world. The first image a child beholds is a dead man revered as sacred.
And the killing has snowballed and species are killed off every day, disregarded, shamed and hushed and so blind to the FACT the food chain is something we are undeniably on, and cannot live without. Respect for the existence of other life is such a hard thing to learn? Seems even to respect our own is futile.
Do not even begin to prance your christian ponting of the finger when it alone and the confusion its created in the minds through time has killed more than anything ever recorded. If there is not enough physical evidence for you to sapport these FACTS than you are simply logically challenged.
After you see a saucer in the air or something you know if from beyond, then it is just your conditioned mind or as you see it lack of evidence, regardless of all the world wide footage of them caught on tape and on various sites. Open your mind.
It's out there.
Wild:
I am laughing hysterically. Christianity does not kill. History and prophesy can not kill. In fact, the teachings of Christ are those of peace and love, yet prophesy what will happen to those who do not seek repentance. The only thing that kills are those that kill.
I do agree with you that many wars have been faught in the name of Christianity. Perhaps the first of these wars were faught by the Roman ruler, Constantine the Great, only a few centuries after Christ's resurrection.
My point is that you can be bitter towards Christian's for their violence and oppressiveness but differentiate Jesus's teachings (what we are supposed to do) and acts professed in the name of Christ.
Furthurmore, I imagine you are one of the many here who disagree with the war in Iraq. I, personally, think G. W.'s motives are naive; that he wants to make a strong presence in Iraq and Afganistan so that when the Jewish Israelis try to rebuild the temple (which will prelude the 2nd coming of Christ / rapture), not only will those Jews have less Muslim resistance, but they will most likely have more support (from our militia there). I think G.W. is trying to hurry the end of times. I, nor most of you, do not approve of this.
A couple things to watch out for:
It is the nature of most cultures to have war. The proto-mongoloids that inhabited the US prior to Europe's colinization already had their fair share of oppressive murdering tribes. Scalping, Pillaging, plundering--these were not invented by Christianity.
Be cautious to blame Christianity for the lack of cultures in the world. Americans influence with pop-culture, mass media (tabloids, TV, MTV, Entertainment Tonight), unnecessary cosmetic plastic surgery -- these are some of the prime componants of the melting pot we see. Although Culture and Religion are not necessarily mutually exclusive, they are not synonomous.
Some of the most racially, culturally and religiously diverse countries are countries that are predominately Christian. In fact, Christians practicing their faith can even live in peace with Satanists; certainly the Christian's make a couple of attempts to witness to the Satanists and the Satanist's are annoyed but it doesn't mean that the Christian gears up with gun/sword in hand and goes to kill the Satanist.
It's not Christianity that kills, It's the teachings of Christianity (and many other religions) that can cause people to kill! When one of the main precepts of your faith is that the believers are "saved" and the "non-believers" are banished to hell for eternity, the inevitable consequence is that the lives of non-believers are not worth, in the minds of the believers, spit!. Therefore it's very easy to justify just about any behavior, including, killing, torture, maiming... in the name of saving the "non-belivers" You name it and it has been justified in the name of (and teachings of) Christ!. This is not a side effect, but a designed tool the religions have used over the centuries to control, conquer, subjagate... the peoples of the earth.
You cannot separate the teachings of Christ and what Christ teaches!
Krreagan
Bastard
14th December 2005 - 02:07 AM
Fundamentalism is what has killed people around the globe and that is not only present in christianity or religion.
Guest_Wild
14th December 2005 - 06:37 AM
It seems this subject has clearly been derailed, and of which I clearly contributed to as well. Thanks for everyones input into it all. It's true as the saying guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns are just a medium used to do it. Kindof like repression, shame, and a warped morality I see christians doing. I see all the good people are trying to point out and thats great. I hope the 'good' things can be opened and generated into use into our lives, regardless of the beliefes we all have.
earthymom
14th December 2005 - 08:49 AM
The "us vs. them" mentality is not unique to any culture, religion, political system, or location. I just want to point out that organizations, like organisms, evolve over time. I nearly fell off a pew when I heard a Catholic priest quote the Dali Lama during Mass several years ago. Catholic leadership (and I am told Protestant as well) has over the last few years been emphacizing environmental issues and pushing "being green" as spiritually important.
I neither advocate nor discourage any religion. In my youth I had no tolerance for the intolerant. I am more optimistic now. Despite the G.W. Bushes of the world humanity is headed in a positive direction -- just slowly. I hope that we, as a species, will evolve and grow quickly enough to a)rescue our home planet from destruction at our own hands and b)be open minded and tolerant enough that beings from other planets could safely interact with us.
herbo21k
15th December 2005 - 06:22 AM
Yo! I thought this discussion was about UFO's? How did Jesus, the Inquisition, Hundred Years War, Iraq and GWBush get on board?
Frank DK
17th February 2006 - 03:58 PM
Well, as every living thing they need water too, right?
Frank DK
17th February 2006 - 04:02 PM
-I mean, offcourse they get water from earth, I believe.