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Kokomoj0

I am having difficulty with the issue of heat in that I do not understand how heat can be lost.

In talking with my niece who just graduated with her ba I made a flip statement that heat really cannot be lost as such.

That is to say that entropy will drag it down to equilibrium but its not like it gets lost somewhere.

Well she quickly took her steam engine problem they gave her in school and said she argued that same point with her prof and he answered it with something that went like we you have certain mechanical losses.

She argued that all mechanical losses wind up as friction, hence will generate its own heat.

So if anyone is into this and can elaborate on it more than she did I would really appreciate it.

So far I understand that boiler eff runs about 80%, then we have to deal with enthalpy and finally mechanical losses. (I think)

So is there something out there that I can read maybe as I have searched for this type of problem and came up with zippo for actually making some kind of model in my mind as to all the losses.

In frustration I finally asked her if I put in 100,000 btu into a steam engine, (already warmed up and running), then there has to be some kind of a carnot cycle such that all that heat can be accounted for.

In a nutshell it seems if you put in 100,000 btu you should get 100000 btu out in one form or another, either as waste or end product.

Is there a model to estimate or calculate this for either steam or an internal combustion engine? Once we run this engine how much heat energy is left to do work? I know thats like 5 questions isnt it? smile.gif


Enthalpy
All the heat you put in the engine will come out as heat or mechanical work.

To absorb the heat released by the engine, you need a cold source.

The maximum proportion of heat any engine may convert into mechanical work is limited by the ratio of absolute temperatures (that is, the one in Kelvins) at the hot source vs the cold source.

These were the first and second law of thermodynamics.
calebthechemist
Enthalpy is correct. One thing that might be hanging you up not defining your system, surroundings etc. It is very important that you take all of that into account or you will appear to lose heat.
Kokomoj0

Yes that is the problem. I dont have a good woking model to set any of this up with.

Especially with the ICE case.
oomchu
depends on where you draw your control volume
Kokomoj0
are you talking about what kind of fuel delivery system it would have?

I thought it would be good enough just to say x btu's per hour etc?
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