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Sylwester Kornowski
Introduction:
The neutrinos have very small mass so should have some internal structure. It suggests that in the background of the Universe there should be two new types of particles associated with the mechanism which causes that one type of new particle acquires its own very small mass (I call it the gravitational torus – the very massive Higgs boson is not in existence) by interacting with the ideal gas/space composed of the very speedy smallest/structureless shapes which have not the gravitational mass (it is some analogy to the massless Higgs field). In my theory (see on www.cosmology-particles.pl ) the gravitational torus acquires the very small mass (about 10^-87 kg) because has the internal helicity and kinetic viscosity what causes that such gravitational torus sunk in the ideal gas/space transforms the chaotic trajectories of the smallest shapes onto the divergent trajectories. Torus it is the simplest shape which can have the internal helicity. The internal helicity has nothing with the spin (the gravitational torus it is FERMION built of the smallest shapes). Scattering collisions between the smallest shapes having the divergent trajectories with the having chaotic trajectories cause that around the gravitational torus is created NICHE (negative pressure) in the fundamental ideal gas/space. The depth of the niche is responsible for the strength of the attractive gravitational force. You can see that my mechanism differs very much from the Higgs mechanism.

My definitions of time and length are as follows:
Local unit of time it is the mean time between the direct collisions of the very speedy smallest shapes the fundamental ideal gas/space is composed of.
Local unit of length it is the mean distance between the very speedy smallest shapes the fundamental ideal gas/space is composed of.

Some examples:

1. Inside some black hole density of the particles is very high (so also the density of the gravitational tori). It means that created niche in the fundamental space is very, very deep. It also means that the number density of the free smallest shapes is VERY LOW. It means that mean distances between them are very large. So the local units of time have big values – it means that time goes very slowly. Also the local units of length have big values because the local fundamental gas/space is strongly ‘stretched’.

2. When frequency of photon is higher then depth of niche associated with the photon is bigger. It means that local time goes slower and local unit of length is bigger. But the ratio of the local units of length and time has always the same value – it means that speed of photon is always equal to the ‘c’.

3. Because our Universe expands the fundamental gas/space ‘contracts’ i.e. the mean distance between the smallest shapes decreases and time is going faster. It means that the inflationary models violate either the general theory of relativity or the law of conservation of energy. It means that the inflationary models they are the science fiction!

kjw
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My definitions of time and length are as follows:

slight problem. you define time and length using time and length

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slight problem. you define time and length using time and length

Local unit of time it is the mean time between the direct collisions of the very speedy smallest shapes the fundamental ideal gas/space is composed of.

thats like saying red is red because it is red. saying red is a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum with a wavelength of approx 650 nm, is some what more insightful.

how then would you finish this sentence without repeating the word time

"time is ...." ?

i am interested in your idea of space, but lets do time first
Sylwester Kornowski
QUOTE (kjw+May 19 2007, 11:00 AM)
slight problem. you define time and length using time and length

thats like saying red is red because it is red. saying red is a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum with a wavelength of approx 650 nm, is some what more insightful.

how then would you finish this sentence without repeating the word time

"time is ...." ?

i am interested in your idea of space, but lets do time first

All you can define in physics must be associated with the initial conditions. Lack of an initial conditions leads to nothing!
It is obvious that truly fundamental initial conditions must be associated with some STRUCTURELESS SHAPE (some sizes), MOTIONS (some linear and angular speeds) of the smallest shapes, and KINETIC VISCOSITY of the primordial substance – it is because two ‘glued’ smallest/structureless shapes behaves as one structureless shape. On base of such conditions we can define the time. How?
We can assume that the unit of length it is some multiplicity of the smallest size i.e. of the thickness of the smallest shape (it is the very flat disc – the thickness is equal to 0.94753 . 10^-64 m). So we may define the unit of length as the mean distance between the smallest shapes.
Now we know the unit of length and we know that the smallest shapes are moving so must collide. The local unit of time you can define as value directly proportional to the mean distance between the smallest shapes: (unit-of-time = unit-of-length/speed) where 1/speed it is the proportionality factor associated with the LINEAR MOTIONS OF THE SMALLEST SHAPES. It means that the initial conditions i.e. the SHAPE and MOTION lead to the LENGTH and TIME. By means of other words: The LENGTH and TIME are CODED by the TRULY FUNDAMENTAL INITIAL CONDITIONS.

Now about the gravitational constant G
In very dense fundamental gas/space can be created the tori having internal helicity and spin – one such torus is built of the K^2 smallest shapes (K=0.79032 . 10^10) and it results from the KINETIC VISCOSITY and MOTION. Because of the internal helicity there is created the divergent field which creates the NICHE in the fundamental gas space. When number density of the smallest shapes would be higher then one torus would create more divergent lines and the NICHE would be deeper i.e. the gravitational force would be greater – it means that value of the G would be also greater. It means that the G depends on the number density of the smallest shapes. Because probability of creation of the very dense fluctuations of the smallest shapes in the infinite Universe is very low (but not equal to zero) so value of the G is PRACTICALLY constant – we can notice some difference after many, many billion years.

kjw
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Sylwester Kornowski Posted: Today at 7:47 PM All you can define in physics must be associated with the initial conditions. Lack of an initial conditions leads to nothing!

the initial conditions of what ? i can define an ohm as a measure of how much something resists the flow of electricity, or Joules per Coulomb without initial conditions and still get somewhere.

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 QUOTE Sylwester Kornowski Posted: Today at 7:47 PM All you can define in physics must be associated with the initial conditions. Lack of an initial conditions leads to nothing!

the initial conditions of what ? i can define an ohm as a measure of how much something resists the flow of electricity, or Joules per Coulomb without initial conditions and still get somewhere.

primordial substance

are you talking about quantized space ?

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which creates the NICHE in the fundamental gas space

gesundheit

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gesundheit

0.94753 . 10^-64 m

i have not seen any theory go this low so i have nothing. how was this number determined ?

sweatty_black_hole
[QUOTE=kjw,May 21 2007, 10:37 AM] the initial conditions of what ? i can define an ohm as a measure of how much something resists the flow of electricity, or Joules per Coulomb without initial conditions and still get somewhere."

vacumn vs. no vacumn?
Sylwester Kornowski
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the initial conditions of what ? i can define an ohm as a measure of how much something resists the flow of electricity, or Joules per Coulomb without initial conditions and still get somewhere.

They are the initial conditions of the physical state of the eternal/primordial/structureless/speedy substance. Such substance is quantized because of the ETERNAL VERY SPEEDY MOTIONS.
You cannot define electric resistance without a flow of a Fermi gas, you cannot describe the flow without physical state of the electrons, you cannot define the physical state of electron do not knowing the internal structure of electron, you cannot describe the internal structure of the electron do not knowing the genesis of the spin, elementary charge, and gravitational and inertial masses, you cannot define the inertial mass of electron do not knowing the TRULY INITIAL CONDITIONS DESCRIBING THE FUNDAMENTAL SPACE (which should be composed of the structureless smallest shapes). Of course we can define the electric resistance assuming that electron has some mysterious electric charge but such definition is incomplete and explains only very small part of the all phenomena associated with the electric resistance. Only knowing the TRULY initial conditions describing the physical state of the fundamental gas/space we can formulate the ultimate theory of structures and spaces.

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are you talking about quantized space ?

Only assuming that the fundamental space it is the ideal gas composed of the structureless/speedy smallest shapes (having only some volume) we can FULLY describe the Nature. Such initial conditions lead to a few hundred best basic results calculated within my theory (of course we can calculate all known experimental values and predict results of only just planned experiments. The fundamental ideal gas/space is 'sunk' in the truly empty infinite volume. It means that the smallest shapes have the inertia directly proportional to volumes of them. They cannot emit some other smaller shapes (i.e. they cannot create the divergent spherical field and the NICHE in the fundamental ideal gas/space which defines the gravitational and inertial masses) because they have not the internal helicity.

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i have not seen any theory go this low so i have nothing. how was this number determined ? "(i.e. about 10^-64 m)"

In my theory there is following series:
-smallest shapes
-gravitational tori built of the smallest shapes
-neutrinos built of the gravitational tori
-cores of baryons built of neutrinos
-structure before the Big Bang built of baryons
We can guess the formulae which tie the physical properties of above listed structures (i.e. the radii, masses, masses of carriers, the natural speeds of these structures in the background of the Universe). Why??????
If we assume that mean radii of these structures are defined by following formula:
r(d)=r(1)K^(d-1)
however the masses and masses of carriers by formula:
m(d)=m(1)K^[2(d-1)]
where d=0, 1, 2, 4, 8 (they are the numbers in the Titius-Bode law)
and K=0.79032 . 10^10
then we can solve all not solved problems associated with cosmology and particle physics, for example:
-we can CALCULATE the energy of the dark energy and mass of the dark matter inside the baryonic horizon of our Universe
-we can calculate the mass of visible baryonic matter in our Universe
-we can formulate the relationships between the structure before the Big Bang and the dark energy
-we can describe the reason why the structure before the Big Bang went out from the state of black hole
-we can explain why in the very energetic collisions of ions we see the liquid-like substance, not the almost free quarks
-we can calculate the masses and magnetic moments of nucleons with BEST accuracy - for example calculated mass of neutron is 939.55 MeV
-and many, many others.
What it means? It means that we found the correct ultimate coherent description of the whole Nature.

From above formulae results that the gravitational torus (which has radius equal to 0.94 . 10^-45 m) is built of the K^2 smallest shapes. It means that thickness of the smallest shape is equal to about 10^-64 m. And it is the smallest size in the infinite Universe.

amrit
Local unit of time it is the mean time between the direct collisions of the very speedy smallest shapes the fundamental ideal gas/space is composed of.
Local unit of length it is the mean distance between the very speedy smallest shapes the fundamental ideal gas/space is composed of.

yes time is numerical order of collisions
Sylwester Kornowski
QUOTE (amrit+May 22 2007, 11:58 AM)
yes time is numerical order of collisions

It is very good and short definition.
But we necessarily must add following words:
‘Time is numerical order of collisions’ in the truly fundamental space/ideal-gas.
We must also add that numerical density in the fundamental space can be changed only by particles having internal helicity.
Only then your good definition leads to the relativity of time described in the special and general theories of relativity. Only then we understand why time is going slower when an object has higher linear speed, or when rotates with higher frequency, or when is placed in stronger gravitational field.

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