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Boys need to be taught separately from girls from the age of five to prevent them being damaged by the education system, experts claimed.

Again, western countries are calling to separate boys and girls in schools,

Dr Leonard Sax argues that boys are "turned off" by starting formal education too soon when they are expected to sit down and keep quiet in class. And, because they develop at different rates to girls, they can be discouraged from learning while very young when sat alongside female classmates.

He said: "With boys you have to start right away. If you wait until secondary school, you have waited too long. From the age of five, there are clear advantages in all-boys' education when teachers know how to take advantage of it. "

Sax refers to a few other studies that he says show that girls and boys draw differently, including one from a group of Japanese researchers who found girls' drawings typically depict still lifes of people, pets or flowers, using 10 or more crayons, favoring warm colors like red, green, beige and brown; boys, on the other hand, draw action, using 6 or fewer colors, mostly cool hues like gray, blue, silver and black. This apparent difference, which Sax argues is hard-wired, causes teachers to praise girls' artwork and make boys feel that they're drawing incorrectly.

Glory to Allah who says in the Qur'an about that issue: (And the male is not like the female) [Sûrat Al-Imrân-(The Family of Imran) verse36].

Dr. Sax believes girls also benefit from single-sex education because they can concentrate on subjects such as maths, which is traditionally seen as a "male" interest.

WeMuslims can find in the Sunnah the same instructions as the prophet peace be upon him orders us by saying: {separate between boys and girls in beds} as both of them must sleep in a separated beds if they became adults.

Also the great religion of Islam orders men not to look at forbidden things by saying: (Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.) [Sûrat An-Nûr-The Light-verse 30].

At the end we say that whoever read the latest researches in many disciplines will discover that western scientists and researchers are calling people to avoid alcohol, not to eat too much and women to wear decent clothes, so they returns to the principles of Islam.

Allah almighty says: (And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.) [Sûrat Al-ImrânSûrat Al-Imrân-verse85].

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Yes
That's right
Therefore necessary to separate them in the classrooms
To increase the focus and progress
Those are the principles of Islam
Mekigal
I don't know if it makes a difference . We are going to build a center for homeless children for Government of Haiti . The children will live there and go to school there also . They will have separate dorms at opposite ends of the campus . Other than that there need to learn overrides all else . She in there culture it is more of a commodity .
They pay to go to school . Families save up what little money they make so that the kids can have a chance to go to school. They got pay churches also. I thought that quite odd at first . It is the entertainment value . The singing is incredible .

That Government school will be a model and that one is positioned to expand also .
Education is the number one political issue in Haiti . I don't think they give a craps *** about Islam rules .

They are going to kick intelligent butt too. Yeah you can count on that .
Your gonna wish you was all as smart as my little Haitian buddies
Mekigal
QUOTE (kaza2+Jul 16 2012, 03:22 PM)
Yes
That's right
Therefore necessary to separate them in the classrooms
To increase the focus and progress
Those are the principles of Islam

getting the kids attention is paramount . Inspiring them to excellence is the other thing.
Smaller class sizes weighs big. Creating more individual help. Knowing that one size don't fit all is key in modern education and adapting curriculum to suit the students needs in a way that promotes the students desire to learn will be the best tools .

So captivating an audience is the teachers real job .
The material can be very dry so you can see where a good teacher has a monumental task .
They do it though . There are Teachers , Very Good Teachers that get the job done
A lot of times these heroes of life go unnoticed by the latest gimmick of programs that try and slam every one into the one size plan of someone or group so far disconnected from the community on the ground .
They take the power away from creative teachers . That is the biggest problem I see. Teachers have been stripped of there power to teach . It still going on in a lot of places too .
I am lucky my kids got and get to go to school in Missoula . Very Progressive school system with cutting edge technologies . I can go to a teachers internet plan and see everything my child is doing in that class . A student no longer has the old standard excuses of I forgot my home work . It is all there on line . WE even have direct communication with the teachers by e-mail also . A kid don't have a chance anymore . When I was young we still got away with playing hooky . Hell the children would write each others admission slips . I wrote them personally for Barbra D"vere
Mekigal
the other thing that people don't like to talk about because of the implications is there children are a reflection of there parents . You see something in your child you don't like the best place to start is by examining your self .
There is a reason for that . They emulate you . You go around saying " Oh God I hate my self for doing that . Well your child is going to be influenced by what you do .
You tell them " Don't do drugs then you pop five pills in the morning to get going , slam down a couple good stiff drinks in the evening "well what the hell"

I know they have out side influence . Americans are expert blame shifters . It is what I call the real shape shifters in life . It is easy to justify your actions in your own little brains . Paths of least resistance .
You are responsible for the way your kids come out parents . If you are doing things that you don't want your children to do " don't do it "

O.K. best quote I have heard on the subject .
Teach your children or they will teach you.
No that is not quite right but I like it .
Here is the real quote < Parents teach there children and the children teach there parents
NymphaeaAlba
Mekigal,

When I read your posts, I see tons of loose associations, which can be an early warning sign of schizophrenia. I’m not trying to be mean. I really think you should talk to your doctor about it.

Take care!
Mekigal
QUOTE (NymphaeaAlba+Jul 16 2012, 09:06 PM)
Mekigal,

When I read your posts, I see tons of loose associations, which can be an early warning sign of schizophrenia. I’m not trying to be mean. I really think you should talk to your doctor about it.

Take care!

Give me a brake . I am dyslexic . I know you all can't understand what that means as of little research has been done on it and there is no cure . It is a lot deeper than seeing words backwards I can tell you that plain and clear . It is my dyslexia that cause what you see as disassociation . To dyslexic people it is not near as disjointed as you make it out to be . You got to follow the yellow brick road . One word can mean a whole concept . I can't be listing out whole concepts that are represented in single words . Your educated . You have to look at the bigger picture of the text . Do some research if you really want to know what my text says . The future will benefit more from my writings then the present . I realize that but what is more important is what I can transfer in as little space time I have . If the world is going to jump to deep time then the jumps have to monumental not by printing out volumes and volumes of explanation .
Besides that I am not talking to peoples conscious selves. I am not talking to you per-say . I am talking to the bigger you. The one you deny lives . See I know it lives and I speak its language . That is another reason it look so erratic. More like when you dream.
If I am leading to schizophrenia I have always been . Na I say . It is my dyslexic manner that makes you think that . Plus the wow factor of really growing up in builder culture . Carpenter culture . I know people don't like to think occupations have a culture . They do . Garbage collectors talk about garbage stuff . Carpenters learn to master the art vulgarity . It is a fact of life. Not really tourettes , more cultural than anything . It is caused by hitting our fingers with hammers

Why you all trying to put Me in a Box . I am as sane as any human . More so . It is your projection that tells you different . The way you twist means in your own little heads .

Dear I have always been this way and I am harmless to meet in person . You would say " What a gentle person " Not that I can't whip butt . That I can . I swung a hammer for 40 years for god sake . I don't and forgiving is my name . Let it go is my other name . Unless you got a teasing coming . You are working your way to the top of my tease list real fast

Oh my Doctor is the key board player in my band . He thinks I should let go more . Get real wild and crazy . He thinks I am to to reserved . You all help with that . Thanks
Mekigal
you should try and understand what i said about educating children . Bottom line is children are what you tell them they are backed up by what you show then you are . Plain and simple . I raise genius children . That is not brag . That is fact .
There is a reason for it . I am trying tell the world why .
In a nut shell < People think children are stupid
They act accordingly
That is it . That is the problem .
I raise peoples childrens intelligence with one simple thing . First off I treat them like they are humans and don't talk down to them , but the one thing that changes them the most . I tell them they are intelligent. They take that with them for the rest of there lives . Why ? I am not there parent that they no longer trust . I am a second opinion that they do trust . If they are around Me for any length of time they learn real quick I have there best interest at hand . My " Example " teaches them that.
Trust number one
Example number two
Praise there excellence


My child key boards 127 words a minute and knows 7 computer languages . Teaches his boss how to program . He is in nothing but honors courses and is already enrolled and excepted in the University of Montana system . I put no presser on him to succeed either.

He is 14

I tell you what blows my mind is when He writes or talks in Old English . His Language teacher gets a kick out of that also .
Now I don't have the skills he has , but I had enough skills to identify why i didn't have the skills and there by give him what i was missing
Main ingredient < Self Esteem
You have to believe you are intelligent then the rest is task oriented .
You instill that at an early age < Before they are 5
It is the biggest gift you can give your child < The belief that they are intelligent
NymphaeaAlba
QUOTE (Mekigal+Jul 16 2012, 02:18 PM)
Give me a brake . I am dyslexic .

Studies noted nonpsychotic “absent minded” adult dyslexics manifest loose, wordy, and rambling speech patterns similar to schizophrenics, demonstrating the need to diagnostically distinguish dyslexic speech patterns from schizophrenic speech patterns.

You’re right. I’m sorry.

Cheers!
Mekigal
one more thing about my eclectic posting . If you switch you mind to deep time and get involved in deep time matters and thinking you would understand my writing a lot better . I know it is hard to think past a persons one or 2 posts with the way or world has been divided up into little bit of information . The big picture just washes away with the tide of ramblings .
It is like the specialized carpenter that only frames walls or a carpenter that only sheaths roofs . They get extremely good it that one task . Economically profitable for the developers , but a disservice to that individual. Carpal tunnel for one thing then when asked to perform another task they are lost. They do not understand how to build a house. They are no longer a carpenter as much as they are a specialist at a specific task . That is monkey work that robots will eventually take over . That is how humanity is evolving . Obsolescence of the humans being is what that is going to lead to.

That I would try to switch your minds to deep time thinking as to give humanity viability . Yeah it is my obligation as far as I can see . The crime would be if I did nothing to promote this different mind frame , knowing that humanity faces obsolescent and displacement if I don't do my part .
I think slower than most people . That is thought of as a bad thing in society ( Oh he is slow ) Nay I say . Contemplation is slow . When you are thinking of future out comes and weighing consequences, slowly thinking out tasking and the results of the tasks . You don't jump into action and pray for the best like a backward Christian thinking it will all work out cause god will take of it .

You got to meet Me half way .

Before I start a house and as i design ( building project ) I see the house in 3 d already before one shovel of dirt is turned . That is a skill of deep time thinking . The tasks take care of them selves . The planning does not . It take methodical conception of the project as it is to be in the future

I have known looks of builders that take the God will work it out approach . They paint them selves in a corner a lot . Then it is bailing wire and duct tape to try and fix there mess.

Deep Time . As you can tell I support those guys with all my soul . Why ? That is the way I think . Development is what makes me think that way .
The thing is the world will develop. The question is < are we gonna control the way it develops

Now that may seem all disconnected to you . It is not . The word development applies to all endeavors. Whether it be computer programs our the development of a child's mind .
Mekigal
QUOTE (NymphaeaAlba+Jul 16 2012, 10:58 PM)
Studies noted nonpsychotic “absent minded” adult dyslexics manifest loose, wordy, and rambling speech patterns similar to schizophrenics, demonstrating the need to diagnostically distinguish dyslexic speech patterns from schizophrenic speech patterns.

You’re right. I’m sorry.

Cheers!

wow where did you find that . You got a link ? I been trying to figure out my learning disability ever since i skip out of special education in the 3rd grade when the powers that be tried to label me stupid. I could see where that was going real quick as they did not understand dyslexia at all .
I had to learn intricacies of my disability on my own by power of reasoning

I would kiss and hug you with major love if you give me a link
NymphaeaAlba
It was in this book.

“A Solution to the Riddle—Dyslexia” written by Harold N. Levinson.

Once again, I’m sorry, Mekigal.

My best friend's son has it. She can't afford the specialized tutoring. She's been battling with the school board for almost 2 years, now.

Have a good one!


Mekigal
I can tell you professionals one thing that has helped me manage my dyslexia better.

It improved reading abilities tremendously. Spelling not so much and word association not but over all reading comprehension yes and with less head aches also

Learning to blink my right eye . It was an extremely hard exercise as my right eye before I started the exercise would not blink at all with out my left eye blinking with it. It took several years to master and i still work on it for it still don't blink as good as my left eye . The stronger my right eye gets at blinking the less strain there is on my ability to read and the less it hurts my neck and head to read .

That is the biggest slow down in the reading part of dyslexia . The pain and the disorientation caused by reading. If I was not the type of person that could endure the pain I would have never overcome my urges to just give up and not read .

You all are lucky and take reading for granted . I have had to overcome a butt load of pain and endure the pain just so I could be hear to communicate . Not to mention the stigma associated with spelling difficulty and stupidity.

There is plenty of people out there in the closet so to speak . That hide there dyslexia for that same reason . They don't want anybody to know . It took Me a long time to come to terms with it and be able to admit it and not be ashamed of it .

I come out of hiding as an example to others that suffer the same fate . That they may come out of the closet also and not be ashamed of the disability . In-fact disability is the wrong terminology. So they won't be ashamed of being different
Mekigal
QUOTE (NymphaeaAlba+Jul 17 2012, 12:01 AM)
It was in this book.

“A Solution to the Riddle—Dyslexia” written by Harold N. Levinson.

Once again, I’m sorry, Mekigal.

My best friend's son has it. She can't afford the specialized tutoring. She's been battling with the school board for almost 2 years, now.

Have a good one!

i got another tool for you that gave me the confidence to write manuals . Which I am pretty good at ( not evident here but in my real live life yes ) I let my imagination run wild here which leads to my eclectic postings .
I have written miles and miles of spec sheets and manuals . It is part of building is why

Play scrabble with young one . Change the rule to allow dictionaries . He will friggen love it . His desire to read and understand words will overtake his difficulties reading .
It is all about desire . Not to mean it in a crud way but more the metaphoric reasoning . The penis wants what the penis wants . If he wants reading bad enough he will make a way . He probably will anyway because of his dyslexia . Secretly down the road as he feels the effects more and more of his displacement from main stream though processes. It will drive him to understand and comprehend the word.
I doubt he will ever understand it like his peers but the depth of his understanding will be grand beyond belief and from there he can tone it down to reality.

His imagination is his gift .
To harness his imagination and the world will be better for it .
Great people of the world that made real change real discovery have suffered the same way as your best friends son .
I will give you a name . Maybe it is a rumor or half truth ? Maybe you know already .
Isaac Newton .
They say he came up with his version of calculus on a bet at a bar and then it took him 2 months to get it done .
That is the potential of a dyslexic mind .
It is the imagination part of it .
I would venture to guess that Hemingway was Dyslexic .
When he was a child they say he would lay in bed until 10:00 but that he woke up at about 8:00. He would imagine the ceiling was clouds or some other landscape or something then invent little scenarios to go with the formation. That he had to have the dream time to imagine .

Maybe those are rumors . I didn't make them up . I am just repeating the rumors or someones account of the people.
I know I live in a dream state and it is my dyslexia that adds to that dream state . That possibly I have created my own little reality. I realize that. Can I help from living in that reality . No I can't separate the 2. Its my life . I don't mean that like other people that have a choice. Like when they say . Dammit It is my life I will do what I want. No not like that at all . Like I wish I could be different , but I can't . This is it . I am learning to manage it
Mekigal
i feel for your friend and her son . It is my personal life study and is causes me to see humans as animals . A separation so to speak . An exile from the herd. He is feeling that way I know he is . It is not good .

Have your friend watch for hime facial spasms as I believe they are linked . It can be the smallest of ticks like an eye twitch or the check bone raising up . A lip thing . You can start to read his emotions by the ticks if he has them . They can be very subtle.

Depression from not fitting in < That is a concern
He is an eagle . That is good imagery for him .
You know how a lot of children will mimic dogs or a cat when they play roll . Monkeys and such as learning tools .
His imagery of roll play is better associated with birds.
That takes his separatism and puts it context on a earthly level . It gives him a place to fit in . The eagle is a symbol of exploration is why . That is his nature . It is all part of the gift of imagination.


O.K. I am not an expert . Just a person who is dyslexic and who has had to learn to deal /read/operate/ in existing systems.
I am more successful than I appear on a internet forum . I have a valid plan to change everything also . It is not bull . I do color it up a bit . It is a product of deep time thinking . It is realized . It is experienced. That is not a day dream .

The people that think it is only need to google and watch its progress as the event unfolds . Some people are watching . High ups are watching close . I think I scare them a little . That might be a day dream . That I scare them . That might be a day dream . I mean who in there right mind would be scared of little old me in my little row boat with a hole in the bottom as it sinks to the bottom of the red sea .
That last part was a special little joke for you my dear
NymphaeaAlba
QUOTE (Mekigal+Jul 16 2012, 05:31 PM)
The people that think it is only need to google and watch its progress as the event unfolds . Some people are watching . High ups are watching close . I think I scare them a little . That might be a day dream . That I scare them . That might be a day dream . I mean who in there right mind would be scared of little old me in my little row boat with a hole in the bottom as it sinks to the bottom of the red sea .

That last part was a special little joke for you my dear

Q. Imagine you're alone in your little row boat with a large hole in the bottom. Sharks are swimming around you on all sides and the boat is sinking fast. How do you survive?

Highlight below for the answer and a special little joke for you.

A. Quit imagining things?

See ya later.
Mekigal
QUOTE (NymphaeaAlba+Jul 17 2012, 02:06 AM)
Q. Imagine you're alone in your little row boat with a large hole in the bottom. Sharks are swimming around you on all sides and the boat is sinking fast. How do you survive?

Highlight below for the answer and a special little joke for you.

A. Quit imagining things?

See ya later.

I CAN'T . IMAGINE IF IF I COULD. See what I mean .

No seriously. I am in a high position . Peoples lives are at stake . I know it don't seem like that with me posting on a physics forum but its true .
City planning takes a lot of imagination . A country even takes more . This is where i hone my skills . That is why I love this place . You people are brilliant . I need that .

I need my peers . I never had any and people on science forums is the closest thing I have encountered in all my born days on planet earth . You know what that feels like ?
It is a good feeling . People that think pump me up . I like to see people think . It is like oh yeah baby give to me one more time
kaza2
Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
Talked about education
Example
Smoking
Not in the Qur'an
But
Falls under
Allah warned in the Holy Qur'an
Of anything that hurt health
Alcohol, drugs and smoking
Are all involved in one item

Allah says in the Holy Qur'an
195. And spend in the Cause of Allah (ie Jihad of all kinds, etc.) And do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allah), and do good. Truly, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers

So
separating boys and girls in school,
Falls under

(Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do. ) [Sûrat An-Nûr-The Light-verse 30].

You see the results of mixing tragic
Especially in adolescence
Falling in the distractions and preoccupation with the establishment of romantic relationships within the school
And falling into adultery, pregnancy and abortion
This is a terrible thing

Therefore necessary to separate them in the classrooms
To increase the focus and progress
Those are the principles of Islam

Better not to mix between boys and girls
Damages amounted to mixing in the Western society to pay a sum of many of the women of this community to warn of the evils

This British author "Lady Cook," warns of the dangers of mixing of men and women, where she said: "As far as the large mixing is a multitude of the children of adultery."

According to American journalist "Hillaan Stanbra": "Stop the mixing, we have experienced it in America so much, American society has become a society full of all pornography and obscenity, the victims of the mixing fill the prisons, the mixing in American society and the EU has threatened the family and the earthquake of values and morality
".."
Mekigal
QUOTE (kaza2+Jul 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
Talked about education
Example
Smoking
Not in the Qur'an
But
Falls under
Allah warned in the Holy Qur'an
Of anything that hurt health
Alcohol, drugs and smoking
Are all involved in one item

Allah says in the Holy Qur'an
195. And spend in the Cause of Allah (ie Jihad of all kinds, etc.) And do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allah), and do good. Truly, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers

So
separating boys and girls in school,
Falls under

(Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do. ) [Sûrat An-Nûr-The Light-verse 30].

You see the results of mixing tragic
Especially in adolescence
Falling in the distractions and preoccupation with the establishment of romantic relationships within the school
And falling into adultery, pregnancy and abortion
This is a terrible thing

Therefore necessary to separate them in the classrooms
To increase the focus and progress
Those are the principles of Islam

Better not to mix between boys and girls
Damages amounted to mixing in the Western society to pay a sum of many of the women of this community to warn of the evils

This British author "Lady Cook," warns of the dangers of mixing of men and women, where she said: "As far as the large mixing is a multitude of the children of adultery."

According to American journalist "Hillaan Stanbra": "Stop the mixing, we have experienced it in America so much, American society has become a society full of all pornography and obscenity, the victims of the mixing fill the prisons, the mixing in American society and the EU has threatened the family and the earthquake of values and morality
".."

how about coffee? Do Muslims drink coffee ?
What about heart medicines or insulin ?
What other kinds of drugs might a Muslim take .
Are you like those fundamental Christian that don't get there dog shots . Like the ones spreading Whooping Cough right now , The epidemic is just about past I think bout hey it got national coverage , Pines dale Montana that is suspect of ground zero .
Yeah you heard of them already Fundy Mormons with multi wives. The Jeff Warren Crowd , He is in Jail .

I didn't get my shot . I miss the bullet. Nope No whooping cough here . My son miss that bullet also . My wife she missed it .

Muslims don't do any drugs ?
Do you got Hospitals ?
Or do you throw someone in a river and if they sink to the bottom they desire it . How bout a Red Sea . You throw a Great House into the red sea and just watch Him sink to the bottom . Is that what you do ?
Then you sit around and have a big party and eat goat and Koosko with yogurt . Talk about how great it is that the Greathouse sank to the bottom of the sea .
I don't think that is funny or a reason to party
It is a little upsetting
Mekigal
All you are going to do is force them to sneak around . See one fallacy is it is only the boys that desire sexual favors . Not so . Girls get horny . Yeah .
See that is what man denies a woman in her sexuality . It is the sin of the known time scale or the beginning of the religious dogma that still haunts primitive people.

Young Muslims step into the new world with Me . I came to take you home to heaven . Follow my ways for your parents are confused . They know not what they do. They live in the past when humanity was primitive . They had no self control is the problem .
More animal like then knowing the ways of humanity . See that is to be human . To realize you are a human animal of the earth . Skilled in the hunt and skilled at adaption . The best the planet has to offer .
Now we are at a cross roads . To rid the world of its primitive ways or make the new earth , Heaven right here right now . You can let your parents be worm food all on there own . The Head worms will get them unless they adapt . They will not be able to wreck your primitive ways much longer any way . There all dying Ha Ha Ha Ha .
Kuru is your friend . Any you New Guinea guys out there , High Five bros

Taste the nectar young Muslims. Taste the nectar of the living . Let the dead go be with the dead .
kaza2
Coffee is not haram
wine is haram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBsQQvFYl8...player_embedded


wine-

cause loss of concentration, loss of consciousness
Any person can commit murder, robbery and rape
This is terrible

Wine was forbidden corrupt
Thank God for the blessing of Islam


--May be the use of medicines that contain alcohol percentages consuming, required by the
pharmaceutical industry, which is no alternative to it, provided that the doctor prescribed amended, and may use alcohol disinfectant for external wounds, and a killer of germs, and in creams, fat external


The basic principle in all the drinks they are halal, but to be an intoxicant, or be harmful. The mere presence of alcohol in a drink does not mean that it is haraam unless it reached the extent of causing intoxication, the alcohol was a little a consumer, it is not forbidden drink

. Narated By 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle was asked about Al-Bit a liquor prepared from honey which the Yemenites used to drink. Allah's Apostle said, "All drinks that intoxicate are unlawful (to drink)."

Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Drinks, Hadith Number: 5645, Narrated by: Lady Aisha Bint-Abu-Bakr


-Girls mature earlier and are ready for algebra at age 12 while the slower boys are ready around 14 years old.

Most schools in the U.S.A. do not introduce algebra until age 14 (8th grade).

By that age, girls (who mature earlier) have lost their interest in math for a couple of reasons:

1) they're bored because nothing happened 2 years ago when they were ready;

2) they're entering puberty and have many distractions
Mekigal
My son is in calculus at 14 . So what say you about that ? Your looking down the wrong road my dear . You should listen to my child rearing rituals . Yeah 1 Don't matter boy or girl . 2 Don't matter if they are boy or girl .
MDT
Male and female have different body capabilities. Therefore it only make sense that male and female are different in various natural ways. Nature and evolution will try to optimize based on form and function. If an animal has fast legs, optimization of form and function will make use of these fast legs as part of its nature. That animal will not crawl on its belly, since this will not optimize form and function. If there are unique features, nature will try to optimize this.

The form and function characteristics of male and female are different in many ways therefore I would expect evolution would have optimized each to take advantage of these specialized differences. If we ignore these form function difference and assume all is the same, we are dealing with the unnatural, since this does not occur in nature. The unnatural can be based on human philosophy and politics, which are subjective and not objective to hard reality.

The litmus test is form/function:

Pregnancy and caring for babies makes a female instinctively more vulnerable than a male who is does not have these constraints. This is why the female instinctively needs to learn and mature faster; security needs. The male by being less vulnerable, based on form and function, is more likely to deviate, explore and take risk. This is why the males are more likely to be the rebels and inventors. The lowered need for security is important for exploring the world.

One way to optimized security is with social conformity, since this allows protection within the group. The female tend to conform faster and easier. The male is more likely not to conform or break the rules, which is why leaders of new movements or trends tend to be male. Males are more likely to become criminals or entrepreneurs since neither conform in the short term.

The female, by conforming, is optimized for creating a cultural capacitance. They are often the ones who maintain the holiday traditions for the children. The male is more open and is the one who is designed to bring in new things in, such as innovation into the traditions.

Males are more visually orientated, while female are verbally orientated. What is know in culture, like ideas are most easily transferred with language. But the unknown, where all the words do not yet exist, are first organized through the eyes. We can see a phenomena manifest before we can explain it.

For example, if a male was learning to hit a home run, he will try to copy the swing of the bat without the need for words. One picks up the bat and practice the swing. If one is verbally orientated, this may be hard to do since they may miss the visual nuances needed to do it right. Instead it would be easier to break down the swings with verbal instructions. Visual allows one to improvise their own style while verbal tends to conform to instructions. Both can lead to a similar result.

Since males are different from females, it easier for males to teach males and females to teach female, the natural way to be male or female. The other way around is possible, but that is based more on verbal traditions of education which is not fully male. This will favor the females. This is why males tend to drop out at a higher rate. They don't wish to become he-shes, which will distort form and function into something artificial. Many dropouts might become criminals because at least this requires thinking on your feet using visual cues. Other become entrepreneurs and start something new.

The nanny state is centered on social insecurity, which is closer to the female element and does not take into account the calculated risk needs of the male. The male should be out there practicing visual and risk calculations within the unknown. The nanny laws should be geared to the females, with the males having a different standard so form and function is not made unnatural, unless artificial becomes easier to manipulate for political purposes.

One wild card was the break up of the family and the mother caring for all the children with less input by the father. The daughters can learn to be a female from the mother who is also a female, so form and function is balanced. But the males, by default, had to learn to be male from a female more than from a male. It sort of like having a lion show a monkey how to swing in the trees. The females are gaining due to this natural balance, but more male are left in an unnatural way where form and function don't add up for them in a natural way. The result is more in the way of unnatural male behavior.
kaza2
-I'm totally for separating boys and girls in school, provided the quality of education is equal. I've raised both boys and girls, and they definitely learn differently, and at different rates. Good for all concerned not to be distracted by the opposite sex. There was an old nun in my brother's High School (which was co-ed), and she always said "boys and girls and books do not mix". I believe she was right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7rzIpYxX1s

-At this point any just person cannot help but say: O Messenger of Allah! You are truthful when you said: "Do not use anything prohibited (Haram) as medicine", and when you said: "It is not a medicine but it is a disease".

Prohibition of alcohol in the Bible The Bible prohibits the consumption of alcohol
ontheleft
QUOTE (kaza2+Jul 21 2012, 03:34 PM)

Prohibition of alcohol in the Bible The Bible prohibits the consumption of alcohol

You should stick to your own fairy tale.

Perfectly good water turned into wine at a wedding by The Son Of God. Your leech on a rich widow didn't do squat. A huckster, running out of his wife's money, fooling semi-conscious camel herders.

But, Oh! Muslim countries have damn good hashish!

Keep repeating yourself. Like your older cousin, keep nodding your head and say things over and over again. Eventually reason and common sense wont bother you any more.




MDT
The polarization of male and female would be an interesting social experiment. In this experiment we would allow the women to define what it is to be a women and the men to define what it is to be men. This would involve the females running female education and males running male education. Each would try to optimize form and function for their own sex via education. The natural attraction between male and female is so strong that even with mental polarization they would still attract, with these complementary opposites attracting strongly.

As a contrast, if males could totally define what women should be, they would pick an image of a female that benefits the males, not what benefits the female. The same is true if the females were in charge of defining men. They would try to turn the males into a romance novel hero who is semi-gay. The male would might try to create a Steppford wife who is sexy, compliant, and efficient, in her french maid outfit. This would optimize form and function to the needs of the creator but not to the form and function needs of the other sex.

Another alternative is we can go in the middle and create homogeneity. To do this, you will need to truncate fully male and fully female form/function and make the males more girlie and the females more manly. Then form and function will not match properly to either sex. This is sort of the current social experiment.

Another alternative is have the males decide what is best for the males and the females, or the females decide for both males and females. In these scenarios only one sex will match form and function, while the other sex will be artificial and biased to the needs of the other sex.

Each experiment would result in a different social outcome. It would be interesting to run all at same time to see which has the best social outcome.
Mekigal
the bible does not prohibit alcohol. Plain and clear it does not . It says to not be giving to drunkenness. Over indulgence of strong drink . That is what the bible says .
There is a big difference between that and prohibition
Mekigal
QUOTE (MDT+Jul 22 2012, 01:31 PM)
The polarization of male and female would be an interesting social experiment. In this experiment we would allow the women to define what it is to be a women and the men to define what it is to be men. This would involve the females running female education and males running male education. Each would try to optimize form and function for their own sex via education. The natural attraction between male and female is so strong that even with mental polarization they would still attract, with these complementary opposites attracting strongly.

As a contrast, if males could totally define what women should be, they would pick an image of a female that benefits the males, not what benefits the female. The same is true if the females were in charge of defining men. They would try to turn the males into a romance novel hero who is semi-gay. The male would might try to create a Steppford wife who is sexy, compliant, and efficient, in her french maid outfit. This would optimize form and function to the needs of the creator but not to the form and function needs of the other sex.

Another alternative is we can go in the middle and create homogeneity. To do this,  you will need to truncate fully male and fully female form/function and make the males more girlie and the females more manly. Then form and function will not match properly to either sex. This is sort of the current social experiment. 

Another alternative is have the males decide what is best for the males and the females, or the females decide for both males and females. In these scenarios only one sex will match form and function, while the other sex will be artificial and biased to the needs of the other sex.

Each experiment would result in a different social outcome. It would be interesting to run all at same time to see which has the best social outcome.

the best would be to exploit the individual talent based on location integration and acceptance of a community. The child would feel part of a bigger picture to formulate in there mind as they develop. But no we got to go punish children like they was rats or dirty little criminals . By god parents need a hand book or something . What friggen mean shits parents are . The way they belittle there children is the prob straight up dope . They treat the child's situations and learning experience like it means nothing ,
By confirmation bias they imagine they know what the child is going through by some stupid experience they had that has nothing to do with what the child is feeling . They treat the child's life experience as they have no meaning . That is the problem .
They are dehumanized right out of the gate . Soon as as there feet hit the floor .

Children are talked down to in life . That is the problem . There excellence never has a chance to blossom because of it . I have a natural connection with children . Can't tell you why except I see them as people , Humans , And worthy of admiration . They in turn excel in my presence. Not that they want to impress me but rather they them selves feel better about being them selves . A separate living being and not some ones pet. <<<An Identity. That is what should be developed
MDT
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the bible does not prohibit alcohol. Plain and clear it does not . It says to not be giving to drunkenness. Over indulgence of strong drink . That is what the bible says .
There is a big difference between that and prohibition


Wasn't Jesus called a drunkard and glutton, by the Pharisees, who used the
Old Testament standard. During the last supper, Jesus held up his glass of wine and gave it to his disciples and said, this is my blood. Drink this in memory of me. He understood that a little alcohol makes the heart cheerful.

St Paul qualified this and said all things are lawful to me (old law had expired) but I will not be mastered by anything. He could drink but would not become a drunk. That is called moderation.

St Paul also said, it is not what enters the mouth which defiles the man (alcohol) but rather it is that which comes out of his mouth. This is what defiles the man. What comes out of the mouth comes from the heart and this defiles the man. The tongue is such small organ yet it sets the world aflame; self righteous.

The old testament method was based on following procedures and laws, but there was nothing in those procedures that said you could not be mean to others if they broke the rules. Too many people liked that mean angle. If someone drank we could beat them up. If you stand back and do the evil math the beating was far worse than a drink yet this extra evil was legal. The new way was to reverse this by forgetting the old procedures, but learn to love each other.

When Jesus deviated from the rules, they were ready to justify killing him as they plotted among each other. The greater evil was legal. To Jesus being nice was better than the old by the book self righteous, who enjoyed hurting others under the guise of enforcing the law.
MDT
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Children are talked down to in life . That is the problem . There excellence never has a chance to blossom because of it . I have a natural connection with children . Can't tell you why except I see them as people , Humans , And worthy of admiration . They in turn excel in my presence. Not that they want to impress me but rather they them selves feel better about being them selves . A separate living being and not some ones pet. <<<An Identity. That is what should be developed


What i noticed about children is they are natural up to the time they start school and have to conform to social norms. The smallest children are natural and spontaneous and know joy and how to get along with each other. Once they enter school there is a change as they learn to become unnatural.

kaza2
It is well known that alcohol drinking was prohibited in the previous scripture as well, and not only with the advent of the Quran. In the Bible we read:

"Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler; and whoever is led astray by it is not wise" (Proverbs 20:1).

"Do not look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup and goes down smoothly. At the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like an adder" (Proverbs 23:30,31)

1. Prohibition of alcohol in the Qur'an The Glorious Qur'an prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the following verse:
"
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and Gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an Abomination - of Satan's handiwork;

eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper. "[Al-Qur'an 5:90]

2. Prohibition of alcohol in the Bible The Bible prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the following verses:

a. "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." [Proverbs 20:1] b. "And be not drunk with

wine. "[Ephesians 5:18]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIa-WBR1fYk


At this point any just person cannot help but say: O Messenger of Allah! You are truthful when you said: "Do not use anything prohibited (Haram) as medicine", and when you said: "It is not a medicine but it is a disease".


Narrated By 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle was asked about Al-Bit. He said, "All drinks that intoxicate are unlawful (to drink.)


Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Drinks, Hadith Number: 5644, Narrated by: Lady Aisha Bint-Abu-Bakr
Quantum_Conundrum
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Dr Leonard Sax argues that boys are "turned off" by starting formal education too soon when they are expected to sit down and keep quiet in class. And, because they develop at different rates to girls, they can be discouraged from learning while very young when sat alongside female classmates.


I experienced the exact opposite while inside the classroom.

I'd say I experienced other boys "discouraging me from learning" at least dozens of times more often than for girls.
kaza2
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As a whole, girls are a very bad academic distraction for boys.-

If I think of all the financial and mental resources I wasted in public school trying to
"woo women" who ultimately were inconsequential in my life, and had I applied that
effort to my studies instead, I would have been much more successful.


. Cases of adultery, rape, incest and AIDS are found more among alcoholics According to National Crime Victimization Survey Bureau of

Justice (US Department of Justice) in the year 1996 alone everyday on an average 2,713 rapes took place. The statistics tell us that the majority

of the rapists, were intoxicated while committing the crime. The same is true in cases of molestation. According to statistics, 8% of Americans

commit incest i.e. one in every twelve to thirteen persons in America is involved in incest. Almost all the cases of incest are due to intoxication

Capracus
Shemale.
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