I happened to notice a few minutes ago a scene filmed on the Weather channel, "somewhere" inside the Mississippi river basin, where there was a decent sized parking lot with hundreds of automobiles parked in it, flooded up to their roofs.
I am outraged at the irresponsibility of the owners of these vehicles, as they had up to two weeks warning that the flooding was coming, and how bad it was going to be, yet left their vehicles parked in an area within the flood zone.
This was not a flash flood. This was a seasonal river flood with weeks and even months of warning, going back to the exceptional cold winter and snow fall.
The insurance companies should not be required to cover these damages, as it is solely the OWNERS fault, and may even be considered as a scam or fraudulent claim, in my oppinion.
All these people had to do was park some place else a few hundred yards away at a higher elevation, and *poof* no damage.
Instead, they did the "American" thing, which is to say, let it get destroyed needlessly and file an insurance claim.
I swear this country is doomed if this is how deceitful and abusive everyone has become.
It's bad enough to foolishly live in high risk areas, such as NOLA, but to leave your automobile in a low lying area en masse to maximum losses at someone else's expense is CRIMINAL.
They wanted you to feel that way, man.
Is this crap a troll? Your "outrage" sounds like you want to be on Fox.
Is this crap a troll? Your "outrage" sounds like you want to be on Fox.
QUOTE (Guest+May 8 2011, 04:06 PM)
They wanted you to feel that way, man.
Is this crap a troll? Your "outrage" sounds like you want to be on Fox.
You should be outraged too.
Your insurance premiums will increase to help pay for these people's complete foolishness.
Is this crap a troll? Your "outrage" sounds like you want to be on Fox.
You should be outraged too.
Your insurance premiums will increase to help pay for these people's complete foolishness.
I've looked hard to find said video or picture, and the only one I found that came close to what you described was of a number of cars in a junkyard in Memphis that were flooded up to their roofs. You couldn't tell that the cars were junk though, except for the caption.
Without further info on this, one might presume that people aren't quite as stupid as you assume there is a more rational explanation for what you saw.
The other point is that for Memphis at least, lifetime residents say they've never seen anything like this. So it's possible that people who had been through previous seasonal flooding didn't realize that areas that hadn't flooded before would flood this time.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/videos/toda...cast-4276#20537
Arthur
Without further info on this, one might presume that people aren't quite as stupid as you assume there is a more rational explanation for what you saw.
The other point is that for Memphis at least, lifetime residents say they've never seen anything like this. So it's possible that people who had been through previous seasonal flooding didn't realize that areas that hadn't flooded before would flood this time.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/videos/toda...cast-4276#20537
Arthur
QUOTE (adoucette+May 9 2011, 09:31 PM)
I've looked hard to find said video or picture, and the only one I found that came close to what you described was of a number of cars in a junkyard in Memphis that were flooded up to the their roofs. You couldn't tell that the cars were junk though, except for the caption.
http://my5.wmctv.com/MediaItemView.aspx?id=1260892
QC will now argue that the salvage yard owner should have moved his vehicles to avoid their loss in value, and that this inaction still amounts to insurance fraud.
QUOTE
Without further info on this, one might presume that people aren't quite as stupid as you assume there is a more rational explanation for what you saw.
QC will now argue that the salvage yard owner should have moved his vehicles to avoid their loss in value, and that this inaction still amounts to insurance fraud.
QUOTE (adoucette+May 9 2011, 04:31 PM)
I've looked hard to find said video or picture, and the only one I found that came close to what you described was of a number of cars in a junkyard in Memphis that were flooded up to their roofs. You couldn't tell that the cars were junk though, except for the caption.
Without further info on this, one might presume that people aren't quite as stupid as you assume there is a more rational explanation for what you saw.
The other point is that for Memphis at least, lifetime residents say they've never seen anything like this. So it's possible that people who had been through previous seasonal flooding didn't realize that areas that hadn't flooded before would flood this time.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/videos/toda...cast-4276#20537
Arthur
It was not a junk yard.
It was a paved parking lot in front of a high rise building...
And it was on the Weather Channel broadcast live.
Try again...
And they have 100 year flood maps which anyone who has ever bought a home or business would have seen.
Without further info on this, one might presume that people aren't quite as stupid as you assume there is a more rational explanation for what you saw.
The other point is that for Memphis at least, lifetime residents say they've never seen anything like this. So it's possible that people who had been through previous seasonal flooding didn't realize that areas that hadn't flooded before would flood this time.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/videos/toda...cast-4276#20537
Arthur
It was not a junk yard.
It was a paved parking lot in front of a high rise building...
And it was on the Weather Channel broadcast live.
Try again...
And they have 100 year flood maps which anyone who has ever bought a home or business would have seen.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+May 10 2011, 03:07 PM)
It was not a junk yard.
It was a paved parking lot in front of a high rise building...
And it was on the Weather Channel broadcast live.
Try again...
And they have 100 year flood maps which anyone who has ever bought a home or business would have seen.
Nope, I looked, couldn't find your Vid.
You made the claim but showed up with no evidence.
As to your next claim, yeah but it's higher than a 100 year flood:
Arthur
It was a paved parking lot in front of a high rise building...
And it was on the Weather Channel broadcast live.
Try again...
And they have 100 year flood maps which anyone who has ever bought a home or business would have seen.
Nope, I looked, couldn't find your Vid.
You made the claim but showed up with no evidence.
As to your next claim, yeah but it's higher than a 100 year flood:
QUOTE
“Right now the Mississippi River is going through what we call an epic flood, meaning it's more than historic, it's more than 100 year flood, it's more like a 500 year flood," said Gene Rench, NWS Surface hydrologist.
Arthur
QUOTE (adoucette+May 10 2011, 05:26 PM)
Nope, I looked, couldn't find your Vid.
You made the claim but showed up with no evidence.
As to your next claim, yeah but it's higher than a 100 year flood:
Arthur
I realize that is a NWS spokesperson, but this is definitely NOT a 500 year flood. It is not even a 100 year flood.
This is hyperbole.
It only broke records in a few gauge locations, and those records are only valid back to the 1937 flood, 84 years ago.
the 1927 flood was just as high, and since the modern levees did not exist to constrain it vertically, it was over a broader flood plain, therefore having several times as much water volume as the current flood.
This particular Mississippi river flood is therefore not even a 100 year flood in many locations.
It was not even a "Levee era" record flood in many locations, and the levee era is 84 years, so it could not possibly be a 500 year flood...
[q]A one-hundred-year flood is calculated to be the level of flood water expected to be equaled or exceeded every 100 years on average. The 100-year flood is more accurately referred to as the 1% flood, since it is a flood that has a 1% chance of being equaled or exceeded in any single year.[/q]
The current flowrate levels have already been equaled at least once in the levee era, as stated, and that was 84 years ago. They did not even break the records in the Memphis crest, where they were over a foot below the previous levee era record.
The flow rate levels were greatly exceeded in the 1927 flood, 94 years ago.
The existing flood is not a 100 year flood, though it is statistically close, being an "84 year flood".
By definition, it definitely isn't a 200 or 500 year flood...
You made the claim but showed up with no evidence.
As to your next claim, yeah but it's higher than a 100 year flood:
Arthur
I realize that is a NWS spokesperson, but this is definitely NOT a 500 year flood. It is not even a 100 year flood.
This is hyperbole.
It only broke records in a few gauge locations, and those records are only valid back to the 1937 flood, 84 years ago.
the 1927 flood was just as high, and since the modern levees did not exist to constrain it vertically, it was over a broader flood plain, therefore having several times as much water volume as the current flood.
This particular Mississippi river flood is therefore not even a 100 year flood in many locations.
It was not even a "Levee era" record flood in many locations, and the levee era is 84 years, so it could not possibly be a 500 year flood...
[q]A one-hundred-year flood is calculated to be the level of flood water expected to be equaled or exceeded every 100 years on average. The 100-year flood is more accurately referred to as the 1% flood, since it is a flood that has a 1% chance of being equaled or exceeded in any single year.[/q]
The current flowrate levels have already been equaled at least once in the levee era, as stated, and that was 84 years ago. They did not even break the records in the Memphis crest, where they were over a foot below the previous levee era record.
The flow rate levels were greatly exceeded in the 1927 flood, 94 years ago.
The existing flood is not a 100 year flood, though it is statistically close, being an "84 year flood".
By definition, it definitely isn't a 200 or 500 year flood...
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+May 10 2011, 08:54 PM)
I realize that is a NWS spokesperson, but this is definitely NOT a 500 year flood. It is not even a 100 year flood.
This is hyperbole.
You think I'm going with you over the guy I quoted from the National Weather Service?
Nope.
What a 100 year flood means is it is a level that you have the statistical chance of having only once every 100 years.
When he said it was a 500 year flood he was saying you have a statistical chance of having this level only once every 500 years.
BUT
You can have two 100 year events in two years and that doesn't change the long term odds.
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/100yearflood.html
Arthur
This is hyperbole.
You think I'm going with you over the guy I quoted from the National Weather Service?
Nope.
What a 100 year flood means is it is a level that you have the statistical chance of having only once every 100 years.
When he said it was a 500 year flood he was saying you have a statistical chance of having this level only once every 500 years.
BUT
You can have two 100 year events in two years and that doesn't change the long term odds.
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/100yearflood.html
Arthur
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+May 10 2011, 07:07 PM)
It was not a junk yard.
It was a paved parking lot in front of a high rise building...
And it was on the Weather Channel broadcast live.
Try again...
And they have 100 year flood maps which anyone who has ever bought a home or business would have seen.
I think this may be the video you were referring to. It shows both a salvage yard and a parking lot.
http://www.necn.com/05/07/11/Stunning-vide...605&feedID=4207
If you're going to define parking a car in a flood prone region as potential insurance fraud, then by extension you would also have to include any other placed structure such as private and commercial buildings as well. Due to the relative rarity of such events in these regions, which side stands to profit more, the insured or the insurer?
It was a paved parking lot in front of a high rise building...
And it was on the Weather Channel broadcast live.
Try again...
And they have 100 year flood maps which anyone who has ever bought a home or business would have seen.
I think this may be the video you were referring to. It shows both a salvage yard and a parking lot.
http://www.necn.com/05/07/11/Stunning-vide...605&feedID=4207
If you're going to define parking a car in a flood prone region as potential insurance fraud, then by extension you would also have to include any other placed structure such as private and commercial buildings as well. Due to the relative rarity of such events in these regions, which side stands to profit more, the insured or the insurer?
QUOTE (Capracus+May 11 2011, 02:22 PM)
I think this may be the video you were referring to. It shows both a salvage yard and a parking lot.
http://www.necn.com/05/07/11/Stunning-vide...605&feedID=4207
If you're going to define parking a car in a flood prone region as potential insurance fraud, then by extension you would also have to include any other placed structure such as private and commercial buildings as well. Due to the relative rarity of such events in these regions, which side stands to profit more, the insured or the insurer?
That is obviously not a parking lot. Too many hoods and trunks open and not near enough space between the rows for cars to maneuver. I suspect it's a junk yard.
http://www.necn.com/05/07/11/Stunning-vide...605&feedID=4207
If you're going to define parking a car in a flood prone region as potential insurance fraud, then by extension you would also have to include any other placed structure such as private and commercial buildings as well. Due to the relative rarity of such events in these regions, which side stands to profit more, the insured or the insurer?
That is obviously not a parking lot. Too many hoods and trunks open and not near enough space between the rows for cars to maneuver. I suspect it's a junk yard.
QUOTE (Goofus A Gallant+May 11 2011, 07:38 PM)
That is obviously not a parking lot. Too many hoods and trunks open and not near enough space between the rows for cars to maneuver. I suspect it's a junk yard.
You're right Goofus. In my haste I mistook parts of the video for this image of a flooded parking lot I saw in the LA Times.
http://www.knoxnews.com/photos/galleries/2...flooding/33094/
You're right Goofus. In my haste I mistook parts of the video for this image of a flooded parking lot I saw in the LA Times.
http://www.knoxnews.com/photos/galleries/2...flooding/33094/
QUOTE (Capracus+May 11 2011, 04:03 PM)
You're right Goofus. In my haste I mistook parts of the video for this image of a flooded parking lot I saw in the LA Times.
http://www.knoxnews.com/photos/galleries/2...flooding/33094/
Now, that looks like a parking lot...
And WOW!
http://www.knoxnews.com/photos/galleries/2...flooding/33094/
Now, that looks like a parking lot...
And WOW!
Nah.
Still you can see hoods up, doors open, unsquare vehicles...
Looks like just another parts lot.
Notice ALL the spots are full.
Wouldn't be like that if those cars were being actively driven, not ALL those people would have left them behind.
Arthur
Still you can see hoods up, doors open, unsquare vehicles...
Looks like just another parts lot.
Notice ALL the spots are full.
Wouldn't be like that if those cars were being actively driven, not ALL those people would have left them behind.
Arthur
QUOTE (adoucette+May 26 2011, 04:01 PM)
Nah.
Still you can see hoods up, doors open, unsquare vehicles...
Looks like just another parts lot.
Notice ALL the spots are full.
Wouldn't be like that if those cars were being actively driven, not ALL those people would have left them behind.
Arthur
I'm inclined to agree.
Numerous articles using the particular photo refer to the location as a parking lot. My own experience with salvage yards is that vehicles are usually positioned parallel by forklifts, not angled as in the photo.
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&bi...0salvage%20yard
A closer examination of an enlarged copy of the picture reveals more detail.
http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/20...16_lkzyarnc.jpg
Notice that many of the cars appear to have data sheets in the windshields.
To further support your position, a photo labeled a salvage yard is likely the same location.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/photos/2011/apr/30/221631/
A Google Maps satellite image of the stated location pretty much nails it as an auto recycler or storage yard. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=l...ved=0CCQQ8gEwAA
Still you can see hoods up, doors open, unsquare vehicles...
Looks like just another parts lot.
Notice ALL the spots are full.
Wouldn't be like that if those cars were being actively driven, not ALL those people would have left them behind.
Arthur
I'm inclined to agree.
Numerous articles using the particular photo refer to the location as a parking lot. My own experience with salvage yards is that vehicles are usually positioned parallel by forklifts, not angled as in the photo.
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&bi...0salvage%20yard
A closer examination of an enlarged copy of the picture reveals more detail.
http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/20...16_lkzyarnc.jpg
Notice that many of the cars appear to have data sheets in the windshields.
To further support your position, a photo labeled a salvage yard is likely the same location.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/photos/2011/apr/30/221631/
A Google Maps satellite image of the stated location pretty much nails it as an auto recycler or storage yard. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=l...ved=0CCQQ8gEwAA
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