Red is the color of May Day. Red is the color of my moderator action. Thus we have a thematic match, and that's a good enough reason to party.
When, Where
6 PM, May 2 (whoops! Friday was too busy already), in the San Jose-San Francisco area. (The exact venue may change based on expressions of interest in attending in person, so feel free to RSVP in the positive below.)
Pizza! Scientific Discussions! Shiny Things!
But, many of the PhysForum users will be unable to attend. So, your moderator has created an amusing way all can participate:
An Essay Contest!
Post on this thread a short titled essay (150-750 words) on distinguishing science from crackpottery, pseudoscience, metaphysics and/or philosophy; what makes for a good PhysForum poster; or any scientific topic.
Optionally, attach a ranked list of 1-10 PhysForum users, active in the month of April, who in your opinion contribute nothing of value to PhysForum.
What happens next
On May 2, essays will be scored from -5 to 10. This score will be multiplied by a normalized harmonic weight for each ranked poster and totaled. Essays with the best scores will be promoted to starting their own threads. Posters with the highest totalled rank will receive vacations and vigorous editing.
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Post on this thread a short titled essay (150-750 words) on distinguishing science from crackpottery,
When S. I. Hayakawa was asked how he would define the color red, he pointed to a fire engine.
Do I have to extend the metaphor?
Nevertheless, while it would be much easier and concise to point to specific posters, such as Nowtime, cusa or ... fill in the blank... I'll say that a crackpot is distinguished by a number of characteristics.
The following rating scale may provide some guidence.
The Crackpot Index
by John Baez
A simple method for rating crackpot contributions to physics:
A -5 point starting credit.
1 point for every statement that is widely agreed on to be false.
2 points for every statement that is clearly vacuous.
3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent.
5 points for each such statement that is adhered to despite careful correction.
5 points for using a thought experiment that contradicts the results of a widely accepted real experiment.
5 points for each word in all capital letters (except for those with defective keyboards).
5 points for each mention of "Einstien", "Hawkins" or "Feynmann".
10 points for each claim that quantum mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
10 points for pointing out that you have gone to school, as if this were evidence of sanity.
10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it.
10 points for mailing your theory to someone you don't know personally and asking them not to tell anyone else about it, for fear that your ideas will be stolen.
10 points for offering prize money to anyone who proves and/or finds any flaws in your theory.
10 points for each new term you invent and use without properly defining it.
10 points for each statement along the lines of "I'm not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations".
10 points for arguing that a current well-established theory is "only a theory", as if this were somehow a point against it.
10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn't explain "why" they occur, or fails to provide a "mechanism".
10 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Einstein, or claim that special or general relativity are fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
10 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a "paradigm shift".
20 points for emailing me and complaining about the crackpot index. (E.g., saying that it "suppresses original thinkers" or saying that I misspelled "Einstein" in item 8.)
20 points for suggesting that you deserve a Nobel prize.
20 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Newton or claim that classical mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
20 points for every use of science fiction works or myths as if they were fact.
20 points for defending yourself by bringing up (real or imagined) ridicule accorded to your past theories.
20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.)
20 points for talking about how great your theory is, but never actually explaining it.
20 points for each use of the phrase "hidebound reactionary".
20 points for each use of the phrase "self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy".
30 points for suggesting that a famous figure secretly disbelieved in a theory which he or she publicly supported. (E.g., that Feynman was a closet opponent of special relativity, as deduced by reading between the lines in his freshman physics textbooks.)
30 points for suggesting that Einstein, in his later years, was groping his way towards the ideas you now advocate.
30 points for claiming that your theories were developed by an extraterrestrial civilization (without good evidence).
30 points for allusions to a delay in your work while you spent time in an asylum, or references to the psychiatrist who tried to talk you out of your theory.
40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.
40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.
40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.
40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.)
50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.
I guess John Baez will be the clear winner of this essay contest... Anyone happen to know if he likes Pizza Parties, vacations or vigorous editing?
Well, I'll write a paragraph.
Who is a crank can be subjective. I mean, can you say a person who has the ability to love and work neurotic - even if scores of Jews are being gassed each day? Maybe they're looking for friends...
Yohan- Fritz, I gassed a thousands Jews today.
Fritz-That's awesome, let's go have a beer.
Hmmmm...
Well, Fritz and Yohan at least didn't convey 2000+ words of puketacular garbage.
:EDIT:
My essay is rather gross
Who is a crank can be subjective. I mean, can you say a person who has the ability to love and work neurotic - even if scores of Jews are being gassed each day? Maybe they're looking for friends...
Yohan- Fritz, I gassed a thousands Jews today.
Fritz-That's awesome, let's go have a beer.
Hmmmm...
Well, Fritz and Yohan at least didn't convey 2000+ words of puketacular garbage.
:EDIT:
My essay is rather gross
Generous offers indeed from r-'red'-penner.
Pizza, translators, tricks, smiles and honest reporting
The clue is in the title.
Einstein is supposed to have said "The Lord is subtle but not malicious" - actually he might have said (in German) 'slippery ########*' and the translator tidied it up a bit - it doesn't matter - it got there in the end.
The Mona Lisa has subtlety - you look straight at her - No Smile - look away a bit - Smile - look straight at her again - No Smile. I've seen the Mona Lisa in the flesh - it's smaller than I expected and (then) rather grubby - I didn't know the look/look away trick at the time and was left decidedly underwhelmed. And so, naturally, to spontaneous symmetry breaking - aargh - no - I'll save that for later - a LOT later. This is my pizza, I get to choose the toppings - if you don't like it - go make your own pizza.
Honest reporting - is an act of communication that transcends "Hello, very cold for the time of year, etc.".
Blah
?
Blah blah
??
Can you REALLY be that stupid?
#$** ******
Hopefully the title gave a hint about what was to follow though not the precise order in which it would actually follow.
My thanks to rp for providing the pizza base and maintaining the choice of toppings - (metaphorically speaking)
-C2.
Pizza, translators, tricks, smiles and honest reporting
The clue is in the title.
Einstein is supposed to have said "The Lord is subtle but not malicious" - actually he might have said (in German) 'slippery ########*' and the translator tidied it up a bit - it doesn't matter - it got there in the end.
The Mona Lisa has subtlety - you look straight at her - No Smile - look away a bit - Smile - look straight at her again - No Smile. I've seen the Mona Lisa in the flesh - it's smaller than I expected and (then) rather grubby - I didn't know the look/look away trick at the time and was left decidedly underwhelmed. And so, naturally, to spontaneous symmetry breaking - aargh - no - I'll save that for later - a LOT later. This is my pizza, I get to choose the toppings - if you don't like it - go make your own pizza.
Honest reporting - is an act of communication that transcends "Hello, very cold for the time of year, etc.".
Blah
?
Blah blah
??
Can you REALLY be that stupid?
#$** ******
Hopefully the title gave a hint about what was to follow though not the precise order in which it would actually follow.
My thanks to rp for providing the pizza base and maintaining the choice of toppings - (metaphorically speaking)
-C2.
List of nominees for extended vacation.
!. Quartermass-Learns nothing from anyone, but thinks he knows everything.
2. Cusa-gadfly and master of the inane, off-topic one liner
3. Mick Derry(Boneidol, Mirrorman, Lui)-by whatever name idiocy goes by these days.
4. Bruce Voight-though I suspect he is in a place that has no access to the net.
5. 4Dguy-his recent abscense has been nice, let it continue indefinitely.
6. Fairy-useless disruption.
7.Mister Belfry- incomprehensable babbler, and when he is understandable...well, it's still babble.
8. amrit-he needs some TIME off.
9. phillip347-needs therapy more than he needs internet time.
10. Anyone who posts troother non-sense about 9-11 should automatically(and instantly) recieve a permanent vacation.
Grumpy
!. Quartermass-Learns nothing from anyone, but thinks he knows everything.
2. Cusa-gadfly and master of the inane, off-topic one liner
3. Mick Derry(Boneidol, Mirrorman, Lui)-by whatever name idiocy goes by these days.
4. Bruce Voight-though I suspect he is in a place that has no access to the net.
5. 4Dguy-his recent abscense has been nice, let it continue indefinitely.
6. Fairy-useless disruption.
7.Mister Belfry- incomprehensable babbler, and when he is understandable...well, it's still babble.
8. amrit-he needs some TIME off.
9. phillip347-needs therapy more than he needs internet time.
10. Anyone who posts troother non-sense about 9-11 should automatically(and instantly) recieve a permanent vacation.
Grumpy
Cusa
Just those who have EARNED a vacation.
Grumpy
Just those who have EARNED a vacation.
Grumpy
Lui
Face it, you are a nutjob and a sorry example of the human race besides. You've been booted to the curb here several times already for your actions(Mirrorman, Boneidol,dibedy,squeeze), so you should know what's coming. Enjoy your vacation.
Cusa
Take the time off to learn something before you interupt adult conversation with your inane, off topic,...uninformed and...intelligence free comments. Learn to listen to those(like Alphanumeric) who actually know what they are talking about instead of insisting on your own...erronious and...uneducated ideas. YOU JUST DON'T THINK and YOUR IDEAS ARE WORTHLESS DRIVEL. Try it, you might get to like it, for Lui it's much too late.
Grumpy
Face it, you are a nutjob and a sorry example of the human race besides. You've been booted to the curb here several times already for your actions(Mirrorman, Boneidol,dibedy,squeeze), so you should know what's coming. Enjoy your vacation.
Cusa
Take the time off to learn something before you interupt adult conversation with your inane, off topic,...uninformed and...intelligence free comments. Learn to listen to those(like Alphanumeric) who actually know what they are talking about instead of insisting on your own...erronious and...uneducated ideas. YOU JUST DON'T THINK and YOUR IDEAS ARE WORTHLESS DRIVEL. Try it, you might get to like it, for Lui it's much too late.
Grumpy
QUOTE (Cusa+Apr 29 2009, 08:05 PM)
Please. Show me where I am wrong.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch, no one can show you where you're wrong. We can show everyone else where you're wrong, but you just don't understand what you're shown.
It's just like your nonsense with Pound Rebka. When you're shown the actual equations used in Pound Rebka, you deny that they're correct. When the numbers are plugged into the equations, you totally ignore them. You don't understand the theory, you don't understand the equations, you don't understand the math. You just come up with a simplistic, grammatically incorrect, scientifically incorrect post and keep repeating it again and again, no matter what you're shown.
Which is one of the prime reasons you should be put on vacation.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch, no one can show you where you're wrong. We can show everyone else where you're wrong, but you just don't understand what you're shown.
It's just like your nonsense with Pound Rebka. When you're shown the actual equations used in Pound Rebka, you deny that they're correct. When the numbers are plugged into the equations, you totally ignore them. You don't understand the theory, you don't understand the equations, you don't understand the math. You just come up with a simplistic, grammatically incorrect, scientifically incorrect post and keep repeating it again and again, no matter what you're shown.
Which is one of the prime reasons you should be put on vacation.
QUOTE (Cusa+Apr 29 2009, 09:14 PM)
If you can't show me where I am wrong then show me where you are right alex.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch, you don't understand enough to be shown anything. I've already gone through this with you before, at great length.
As Einstein said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. " He could have been talking about explaining something to you.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch, you don't understand enough to be shown anything. I've already gone through this with you before, at great length.
As Einstein said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. " He could have been talking about explaining something to you.
QUOTE (Cusa+Apr 29 2009, 09:31 PM)
You are right because I don't need a teacher and because of that I am going somewhere.
Mitch Raemsch
Hopefully away.
Mitch Raemsch
Hopefully away.
QUOTE (MickDerry+Apr 29 2009, 11:34 PM)
I surely will. But why not just admit that you don't mind the real nasty shites around here, because they are doing the job of beating the kind of people up you enjoy seeing.
You know how spaceships use gravity from other planets to propel them and change direction? Well, that's what your big baffoon attitude has done for me, and I've collected more of the kind of tools that will blow your particular kind of a$$ out of the water. I've come to see that the majority of scientists are nothing like you, and your opinion is deeply tainted by your bias. And that is your dream for this place. So, do KMA about the nutjob comment. You are an obvious nutjob with your preferences of who should participate here.
Life will give you exactly what you deserve won't it Grumpy? The in between biases don't add up to a lot compared to the karma that is waiting for us all. A loser at physorg, but a winner in life. Suits me just fine old man. That's what I mean about delivering. Let's see what you are really delivering.
Here comes your pet Occidental.
Youre supposed to title your essay.
You know how spaceships use gravity from other planets to propel them and change direction? Well, that's what your big baffoon attitude has done for me, and I've collected more of the kind of tools that will blow your particular kind of a$$ out of the water. I've come to see that the majority of scientists are nothing like you, and your opinion is deeply tainted by your bias. And that is your dream for this place. So, do KMA about the nutjob comment. You are an obvious nutjob with your preferences of who should participate here.
Life will give you exactly what you deserve won't it Grumpy? The in between biases don't add up to a lot compared to the karma that is waiting for us all. A loser at physorg, but a winner in life. Suits me just fine old man. That's what I mean about delivering. Let's see what you are really delivering.
Here comes your pet Occidental.
Youre supposed to title your essay.
Mickderry, your reading comprehension skills are beyond substandard.
Can you provide a rational constructive criticism?
Yes, I can. Your "mirror magic" theory does not include the results of any repeatable experiments. You offer no possible repeatable experiments in support of your suppositions. You are unable to provide accepted definitions for terms you use, like "merkaba", and instead rely on definitions you create from your imagination as support of your theories.
Try living in North Korea, then you can whine about your lack of free speech.
The correct word is 'speculation', i.e. ideas with no evidence.
I wasn't aware that evidenced was a verb. So what evidence do you have?
on edit: didn't you start a thread for this? It would probably be better to post there than here.
QUOTE (MickDerry+Apr 30 2009, 11:12 AM)
Can you provide a rational constructive criticism?
Yes, I can. Your "mirror magic" theory does not include the results of any repeatable experiments. You offer no possible repeatable experiments in support of your suppositions. You are unable to provide accepted definitions for terms you use, like "merkaba", and instead rely on definitions you create from your imagination as support of your theories.
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Try living up to that free speech motto.
Try living in North Korea, then you can whine about your lack of free speech.
OK, then show us an example of your repeatable experiment.
Lui
That's the funniest thing I've heard lately, Lui. Tell us all again about the meaning of the Merkaba. Tell us why you give numbers and words the same meaning(numerology, anyone). Tell us again how the "aura" of Merkaba can be seen from space. Tell us how the writtings of ancient mystics are valid scientific evidence.
Everything you ever posted and your "Mirror Math" book are pure crap. Every time this has been pointed out to you, you have become an abusive azz leading to you being summarily kicked to the curb. Here we go again.
Grumpy
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When I see someone who does know what they're talking about give some real criticism, you will see a very different attitude in me, and a willingness to listen.
That's the funniest thing I've heard lately, Lui. Tell us all again about the meaning of the Merkaba. Tell us why you give numbers and words the same meaning(numerology, anyone). Tell us again how the "aura" of Merkaba can be seen from space. Tell us how the writtings of ancient mystics are valid scientific evidence.
Everything you ever posted and your "Mirror Math" book are pure crap. Every time this has been pointed out to you, you have become an abusive azz leading to you being summarily kicked to the curb. Here we go again.
Grumpy
Wow! Patterns emerge from ratios!
This is news?
This is news?
You're finding Easter eggs that you hid from yourself. Nothing more.
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It adds to the "body of knowledge", by mapping out a mirror side of fundamental systems.
The correct word is 'speculation', i.e. ideas with no evidence.
QUOTE (Cusa+Apr 30 2009, 01:05 AM)
Please. Show me where I am wrong.
Mitch Raemsch
It's not necessarily that you are wrong, but that your comments rarely add anything meaningful to the discussion at hand. Often they are simple truths already accepted by the scientific community at large but couched in what you obviously feel to be intellectual language, while others are simple word salad - strings of pseudoscientific terminology that carry no coherent meaning - or are claims of a religious nature that have no scientific merit. Additionally, you rely heavily on fallacious arguments such as appeal to authority and quote mining to support those of your statements that are actually incorrect. Finally, the statements you make are almost entirely delivered in a declarative manner, with no supporting evidence or reasoned argument.
Mitch Raemsch
It's not necessarily that you are wrong, but that your comments rarely add anything meaningful to the discussion at hand. Often they are simple truths already accepted by the scientific community at large but couched in what you obviously feel to be intellectual language, while others are simple word salad - strings of pseudoscientific terminology that carry no coherent meaning - or are claims of a religious nature that have no scientific merit. Additionally, you rely heavily on fallacious arguments such as appeal to authority and quote mining to support those of your statements that are actually incorrect. Finally, the statements you make are almost entirely delivered in a declarative manner, with no supporting evidence or reasoned argument.
QUOTE (MickDerry+Apr 30 2009, 11:19 AM)
Go on.
At the very least it would be a WHOLE Easter egg, and not the half that people tend to build this side's information on. That's the crux, is this mirror side information required in order to build the whole unit, are they inextricably linked, and do they pass information on to each other through an axis point that unites boths sides. Can the information be exploited?
Can you make an egg salad sandwich from a reflection?
At the very least it would be a WHOLE Easter egg, and not the half that people tend to build this side's information on. That's the crux, is this mirror side information required in order to build the whole unit, are they inextricably linked, and do they pass information on to each other through an axis point that unites boths sides. Can the information be exploited?
Can you make an egg salad sandwich from a reflection?
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. I've evidenced it, and it is structural and a result that is consistent.
I wasn't aware that evidenced was a verb. So what evidence do you have?
on edit: didn't you start a thread for this? It would probably be better to post there than here.
QUOTE (MickDerry+Apr 30 2009, 01:14 PM)
I've got stax of evidence that the mirror side forms a structural whole with this side.
I don't think that 'stax' answers the question.
Of course, perhaps we should define 'evidence' first
I don't think that 'stax' answers the question.
Of course, perhaps we should define 'evidence' first
Spiritual merge, PO split
Poppin' the quiff with a paradigm shift
Watch where you step, there's another pile of bull....
Well, you get the idea.
Poppin' the quiff with a paradigm shift
Watch where you step, there's another pile of bull....
Well, you get the idea.
QUOTE (AlexG+Apr 30 2009, 06:19 PM)
I don't think that 'stax' answers the question.
Of course, perhaps we should define 'evidence' first
Is there evidence that 2+2=4?
Are you wanting a discussion without reading the paper?
Your biggest mistake Gmilam is that you think the results are somehow "spiritual". It's like someone spots the planet Mars and predicts there are aliens there. Whilst there may be no aliens, one can't deny Mars is there. As far as I'm concerned the unity aspect of the "whole unit" is a clue toward the understanding of consciousness. I have the right to put that forward as an interpretation, and it would also have been nice to have ventured into a more positive discussion about it here.
Of course, perhaps we should define 'evidence' first
Is there evidence that 2+2=4?
Are you wanting a discussion without reading the paper?
Your biggest mistake Gmilam is that you think the results are somehow "spiritual". It's like someone spots the planet Mars and predicts there are aliens there. Whilst there may be no aliens, one can't deny Mars is there. As far as I'm concerned the unity aspect of the "whole unit" is a clue toward the understanding of consciousness. I have the right to put that forward as an interpretation, and it would also have been nice to have ventured into a more positive discussion about it here.
Vedic math, cast out the nines
With Dr Fred A we'll travel through time
Activate your merkaba with Drunvalo and me
Another hand jive with that Cosmik Debris
With Dr Fred A we'll travel through time
Activate your merkaba with Drunvalo and me
Another hand jive with that Cosmik Debris
QUOTE (gmilam+Apr 30 2009, 08:31 PM)
Vedic math, cast out the nines
With Dr Fred A we'll travel through time
Activate your merkaba with Drunvalo and me
Another hand jive with that Cosmik Debris
So you'd rather be sarcastic. Fair enough, free world eh.
With Dr Fred A we'll travel through time
Activate your merkaba with Drunvalo and me
Another hand jive with that Cosmik Debris
So you'd rather be sarcastic. Fair enough, free world eh.
Here are my ranked users (annotated with their harmonic equivalents for the formula).
Grumpy, thank you for your list, but I don't have a corresponding titled essay which is supposed to allow me to combine your list with anyone elses.
occidental, thank you for your titled essay. Will you be submitting a list of ranked users or are you content with a zero-vote?
So far, we have no RSVPs or interest in attending -- maybe next time I should have it in Sydney or London, not San Jose - San Francisco.
Less than 49 hours remain until I will have to cut off submissions.
- Cusa 2520/7381
- sporacle 1260/7381
- bukh 840/7381
- TheFairy 630/7381
- s0cratus 504/7381
- Ivars 420/7381
- Quatermass 360/7381
- HenisDov 315/7381
- MickDerry 280/7381
- Harry Costas 252/7381
Grumpy, thank you for your list, but I don't have a corresponding titled essay which is supposed to allow me to combine your list with anyone elses.
occidental, thank you for your titled essay. Will you be submitting a list of ranked users or are you content with a zero-vote?
So far, we have no RSVPs or interest in attending -- maybe next time I should have it in Sydney or London, not San Jose - San Francisco.
Less than 49 hours remain until I will have to cut off submissions.
Yeah, why not, a list
1) Occidental - 0.5/10
2) theDoc - 1/10
3)Mollusc - IDIOT -10/10
Put up a thread (sticky) expressing posting guidelines and encourage a fairer spirit of discussion
Sorted.
Failing that, get a moderator.
1) Occidental - 0.5/10
2) theDoc - 1/10
3)Mollusc - IDIOT -10/10
Put up a thread (sticky) expressing posting guidelines and encourage a fairer spirit of discussion
Sorted.
Failing that, get a moderator.
It does not appear you read the original post in this thread.
We're just surfers on the waves of probability. It's your consciousness that's causing the collapse. It's your reality, what'd you expect? 
Thank you rpenner, but I will not be participating in the optional ranked nutjob list. But I do strongly support the liberal use of your magic red pen whenever you see crackpots and pseudoscience.
QUOTE (MickDerry+Apr 30 2009, 07:00 PM)
I love ya. You're my favourite guitarist.:-)
A bit dilluded though. Do bear in mind that most of you are the misfits here. They have to congregate somewhere.
I'm a misfit everywhere I go.
We'd probably get along if we met in a pub over a couple of pints and some tunes... as long as neither of us took the other one too seriously.
A bit dilluded though. Do bear in mind that most of you are the misfits here. They have to congregate somewhere.
I'm a misfit everywhere I go.
We'd probably get along if we met in a pub over a couple of pints and some tunes... as long as neither of us took the other one too seriously.
It occurs to me that a dictatorial moderator could enforce (say) a 50/50 or better (Science/Non-science) post ratio for each poster - this would ensure the Science/Sneering ratio does not approach zero for individuals and the forum as a whole. Also (for example) 'new' BH theory would have to be matched by evidence of understanding of current theory. Would such a policy be popular? Would it matter if it wasn't?
QUOTE (MickDerry+Apr 30 2009, 05:04 PM)
If I survive here...:-)....would you like a real discussion this time, without the chipping in and offensive remarks from the trolls? Go on, I dare you.
Purely for the beenfit of anyone tempted to enter a rational discussion about "Mirror Math", this is what happened when I made a concerted effort to do so:
Boneidol trying to explain "Mirror Math"
Purely for the beenfit of anyone tempted to enter a rational discussion about "Mirror Math", this is what happened when I made a concerted effort to do so:
Boneidol trying to explain "Mirror Math"
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 1 2009, 11:43 AM)
People that think they're so special that they can bypass the study and the understanding and simply spout a judgment, are not worth taking seriously.
I'm in need of someone good at equations, because I've worked out how to create a way to travel to parallel universes. I got no maths qualifications whatsoever. Are you for hire?
funny.
QUOTE (MickDerry+Apr 28 2009, 11:15 PM)
I'm in need of someone good at equations, because I've worked out how to create a way to travel to parallel universes. I got no maths qualifications whatsoever. Are you for hire?
funny.
Thats right Lui dont just tell them you cant do maths, get out there and show them.
Lui
How is one supposed to deal with pure gibberish of this quality? I defy anyone to make any sense out of it(including you, lui).
Grumpy
(Yes, I know your only response to criticism is abuse)
QUOTE
The unconventional insight into the holograhpic nature of the universe is that the 4.5 axis is like a perfectly symmetrical fountain-like point that can be seen as the source of all clockwise/anti-clockwise phenomena, incorporating the contrary motion of the electron/positron , for example. The 4.5 not only brings manifestation to relationships this side of the mirror, but also to the other.
How is one supposed to deal with pure gibberish of this quality? I defy anyone to make any sense out of it(including you, lui).
Grumpy
(Yes, I know your only response to criticism is abuse)
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 1 2009, 05:16 PM)
The bottom line is that an experiment can change a perception.
Right. So what is the repeatable experiment that supports your claims?
Right. So what is the repeatable experiment that supports your claims?
Lui
We will not miss you, your abuse or your stupid book.
Grumpy
We will not miss you, your abuse or your stupid book.
Grumpy
Meh,
There are other forums, no one interested in science need be a slave to this one. Physforum is special though, its like everyone slowing down on the highway to see a traffic accident. Should anyone be banned?
:EDIT:
Further I shall demonstrate asking a totally off the wall crack questions.
Can you lace marijuana with Valium? What would be the effects of smoking such a substance? How easy would it be to make Valium? What level of chemistry would you need to bypass a medical doctor's prescription to get Valium?
There are other forums, no one interested in science need be a slave to this one. Physforum is special though, its like everyone slowing down on the highway to see a traffic accident. Should anyone be banned?
:EDIT:
Further I shall demonstrate asking a totally off the wall crack questions.
Can you lace marijuana with Valium? What would be the effects of smoking such a substance? How easy would it be to make Valium? What level of chemistry would you need to bypass a medical doctor's prescription to get Valium?
I think we should have a quiz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T774vjQ4-ho
Who's yanked the crank?
Who's is the science of complience?
Time to vote off the weakest link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T774vjQ4-ho
Who's yanked the crank?
Who's is the science of complience?
Time to vote off the weakest link
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 12:32 PM)
I think we should have a quiz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T774vjQ4-ho
Who's yanked the crank?
Who's is the science of complience?
Time to vote off the weakest link
You are the weakest link.
Goodbye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T774vjQ4-ho
Who's yanked the crank?
Who's is the science of complience?
Time to vote off the weakest link
You are the weakest link.
Goodbye.
The saddest thing of all, is that this is about how I expected you to respond to my essay.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 12:50 PM)
Really? Can't I go head to head with Occidental, to find out who knows how to construct a Mode box?
I don't care, to be honest.
I don't care, to be honest.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 12:50 PM)
Oceans full of plastic. Noise pollution and dangerous weapons. Big corporations trying to own our food by producing their own genetically modified versions. Science is one of the players in all them things too.
I despise people who pull out this false flag. Oooh. Scientest are evil. Scientests are resposnible for all of the ills of the world. You honestly believe your own rhetoric?
Fine. Get off your bottom, shed your clothes made of artificial fibers, leave your house with its engineering, and the physics that went into it's construction, your computer and the quantum mechanics it uses to operate, and the chemistry that went into its plastics, your foods and the astronomy that went into determining the best seasons to plant your grains, the animal husbandry that went into your steak, the agriculture and chemistry that went into ensuring a good crop of wheat to make your bread, the chemistry that went into cooking it, forgoe your vaccinations to protect you from the looming pandemic, get a dentist to remove your fillings, and go and live in a cave, eating only what you can scrounge with your bare hands (no fire, by the way).
I despise people who pull out this false flag. Oooh. Scientest are evil. Scientests are resposnible for all of the ills of the world. You honestly believe your own rhetoric?
Fine. Get off your bottom, shed your clothes made of artificial fibers, leave your house with its engineering, and the physics that went into it's construction, your computer and the quantum mechanics it uses to operate, and the chemistry that went into its plastics, your foods and the astronomy that went into determining the best seasons to plant your grains, the animal husbandry that went into your steak, the agriculture and chemistry that went into ensuring a good crop of wheat to make your bread, the chemistry that went into cooking it, forgoe your vaccinations to protect you from the looming pandemic, get a dentist to remove your fillings, and go and live in a cave, eating only what you can scrounge with your bare hands (no fire, by the way).
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 12:50 PM)
I'd say mankind is the weakest link for this planet, which is being bombarded by ego and greed from all sides.
Then maybe you should elevate yourself from your rear end, learn something relevant and useful and try and do something about it, rather than sitting in your corner crying and spouting incoherent pseudoscientific, pseudo philosophical, and pseudo religous claptrap.
Then maybe you should elevate yourself from your rear end, learn something relevant and useful and try and do something about it, rather than sitting in your corner crying and spouting incoherent pseudoscientific, pseudo philosophical, and pseudo religous claptrap.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 12:50 PM)
So get off your false trip laddie.
What false trip? Are you saying that I shouldn't be proud of the fact that I risk my health and wellbeing to protect the rights of people like you to fresh air and clean water?
What false trip? Are you saying that I shouldn't be proud of the fact that I risk my health and wellbeing to protect the rights of people like you to fresh air and clean water?
Musicians are a touchy lot.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 01:48 AM)
SPAZ
I think you need a Valium joint dude!
I think you need a Valium joint dude!
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 01:55 AM)
I did all that in the 80s. Valium/Paki-black was the only time in my life I passed out and found myself back on my own bed the next morning.
I only smoked that during the zombie apocalypse.
I only smoked that during the zombie apocalypse.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 01:55 PM)
I did all that in the 80s. Valium/Paki-black was the only time in my life I passed out and found myself back on my own bed the next morning.
...
Do I even need to say anything here?
Dude, in my book, you're nothing more than a bad tempered, narrow minded technophobic hypocrite.
Oh wow. You looked after your sick mother.
I married my wife knowing she was sick, AND use my university education to ensure that the beaches are safe and swimmable for a tow of 100,000 people, and do my part to protect the rights, health, and well being of nearly 200,000 people through out the region I live.
And you're upset because I said I didn't know whether or not one user was a sock puppet of another user.
...
Do I even need to say anything here?
Dude, in my book, you're nothing more than a bad tempered, narrow minded technophobic hypocrite.
Oh wow. You looked after your sick mother.
I married my wife knowing she was sick, AND use my university education to ensure that the beaches are safe and swimmable for a tow of 100,000 people, and do my part to protect the rights, health, and well being of nearly 200,000 people through out the region I live.
And you're upset because I said I didn't know whether or not one user was a sock puppet of another user.
Lui
I have looked at your work, it's mystical BS, low grade barnyard fertilizer, worth less than the paper it's written on because now the paper has been used. You babble on and on about letters being numbers and vice versa and spout reams of gibberish about the meaning of the Merkaba symbol. In other words it is pure garbage, Pseudo-science in it's purest form. And you are a crank.
Grumpy
I have looked at your work, it's mystical BS, low grade barnyard fertilizer, worth less than the paper it's written on because now the paper has been used. You babble on and on about letters being numbers and vice versa and spout reams of gibberish about the meaning of the Merkaba symbol. In other words it is pure garbage, Pseudo-science in it's purest form. And you are a crank.
Grumpy
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 02:18 PM)
No, you and theDoc blatantly lied in order to support MollyPants.
A claim you have no proof of.
Prove that i've seen the post you keep tapping about over at the joint.
Prove that I know whether or not your claim is true.
But tell me, what relevance is it?
BDW was never banned (that I know of), you have been, many times.
If we assume you're correct, then BDW created one extra account, where as you've created, what, half a dozen now?
From where I sit, there's a big difference.
A claim you have no proof of.
Prove that i've seen the post you keep tapping about over at the joint.
Prove that I know whether or not your claim is true.
But tell me, what relevance is it?
BDW was never banned (that I know of), you have been, many times.
If we assume you're correct, then BDW created one extra account, where as you've created, what, half a dozen now?
From where I sit, there's a big difference.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 02:18 PM)
Yes I did look after my mother for ten years. She supported what I was doing as a musician. But more importantly I gave up the chance of two profitable careers in order to diligently work on what I work on at the moment. Which means that now I don't get the Ģ45 a week for looking after mum, I have no income coming in except for a few lessons. And I am willing to stay broke in order to keep doing what i'm doing. You can imagine how one like me would react to unreasonable loud mouthed rejection, without the rejectors having the decency to actually look at someone's work, but seem to have this obession with tjhe "crank" game". You can shove that up your a$$es. I'll finally find the right people in the science world.
So you gave up the opportunity for increased income, and everything that comes with it, to write a book about numerology. Yeah, real altruistic of you. You know, there is a stereotype you fit, and you play to perfection, the 'suffering artist'.
So you gave up the opportunity for increased income, and everything that comes with it, to write a book about numerology. Yeah, real altruistic of you. You know, there is a stereotype you fit, and you play to perfection, the 'suffering artist'.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 02:18 PM)
Me bad tempered? What about you then? What do you mean by narrow-minded, or technophobic? is this your way of trying to attach something that doesn't belong on someone?
Yes, I believe that all of the above have been demonstrated in this thread, your abuse of other posters, your anti-scientest, and anti science rhetoric (at least, anti those that have the nerve to disagree with you, and suggets you're in error).
Yes, I believe that all of the above have been demonstrated in this thread, your abuse of other posters, your anti-scientest, and anti science rhetoric (at least, anti those that have the nerve to disagree with you, and suggets you're in error).
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 02:18 PM)
Waaahaaa dude. Let's talk about the technology we use and how we divise ways of using it creatively.
No thanks, because i'm not interested in your narrow muso-centric world, there's so much more out there to see.
No thanks, because i'm not interested in your narrow muso-centric world, there's so much more out there to see.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 02:18 PM)
I'm not criticising you regarding your kind of work. So stop criticising me.
You are, however critiscizing me, and you are however abusing me, so...
You are, however critiscizing me, and you are however abusing me, so...
Lui
So, care to explain the meaning of the Merkaba for us, Lui???
Ought to be worth a laugh or two.
Loser.
Grumpy
So, care to explain the meaning of the Merkaba for us, Lui???
Ought to be worth a laugh or two.
Loser.
Grumpy
Lui
Which you lost.
Which you lost.
Secondly my book isn't about numerology,
It's full of nothing but numerology. Of course your too stupid to know what numerology is.
You first, Merkaba Boy.
QUOTE
I'm talking about that "melodic minor/Harmonic minor" fiasco.
Which you lost.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| I'm talking about that "melodic minor/Harmonic minor" fiasco. |
Which you lost.
Secondly my book isn't about numerology,
It's full of nothing but numerology. Of course your too stupid to know what numerology is.
QUOTE
get over your pompous a$$ self
You first, Merkaba Boy.
I will say this, writing an essay about cranks proved to difficult a task. There are many different varieties. Mystics and angry people are of less bewilderment, but the ones that perplex, sicken and can frighten me on an empathic level, are the ones who lie to themselves and do everything to build up walls from coming to terms with their flawed imaginings. Both individual personality and the society in which they live play a role in a crank like this.
Politics is in science: man is to man a wolf in his primitive yearnings. No one can deny the human brain is without the full compass of emotion. However, these yearnings are more prevalent in those unsettled cranks. And having those cranks post here is like looking into a wound in the mind and wondering about its origins in the first place.
Plus, cranks can be really really funny to read!
Politics is in science: man is to man a wolf in his primitive yearnings. No one can deny the human brain is without the full compass of emotion. However, these yearnings are more prevalent in those unsettled cranks. And having those cranks post here is like looking into a wound in the mind and wondering about its origins in the first place.
Plus, cranks can be really really funny to read!
Lui
Any time you assign meanings and words to numbers it is numerology, just as applying meaning and words to the positions of the planets is astrology.
Your work is crap, worthless mystical dribblings from a live in the basement loser. Find somewhere else to post, BFN has a spot open since they kicked Christophera out.
Goodbye loser.
Grumpy
QUOTE
Actually I do know why it doesn't qualify as numerology,
Any time you assign meanings and words to numbers it is numerology, just as applying meaning and words to the positions of the planets is astrology.
Your work is crap, worthless mystical dribblings from a live in the basement loser. Find somewhere else to post, BFN has a spot open since they kicked Christophera out.
Goodbye loser.
Grumpy
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
You just don't give up do you.
I didn't get where I am today by quitting, not.
I didn't get where I am today by quitting, not.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
Then best respect my unwillingness to do so, until moderater kicks me off of course.
No, not when what you're pursuing is wrongheaded, and based in wrong headedness,
No, not when what you're pursuing is wrongheaded, and based in wrong headedness,
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
Firstly, I didn't mean the BDW saga about his change in persona to good ol hillbilly Mollypants. I don't give a flying potatoe wrapper if you saw his confession at Sapo's or not. I'm talking about that "melodic minor/Harmonic minor" fiasco.
So then you admit to being Lui Di Martino then?
And what, precisely, am I supposed to have lied about with regards to that discussion?
So then you admit to being Lui Di Martino then?
And what, precisely, am I supposed to have lied about with regards to that discussion?
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
Secondly my book isn't about numerology, so STFU.
Yeah it is.
Yeah it is.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
If it was I woudn't be here.
I think you're lying again.
I think you're lying again.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
I've never suffered either, for the art that is.
:Yawn:
:Yawn:
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
And , Trippy, don't abuse me and then think of it as not abusing me, so that when I tell you to KISS MY A$$ you try to paint the picture that only I am abusing you.
That isn't what I said now, is it?
Besides, why is it justified for you, but not for me?
That isn't what I said now, is it?
Besides, why is it justified for you, but not for me?
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
I just have a different way of reacting.
Right, and you should work on controlling it.
Right, and you should work on controlling it.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:11 PM)
Get your reactions sorted, stop belittling me in the feeedback section, get over your pompous a$$ self, and I reckon we could even be mates in another universe.
Oh right, so walking into a forum and declaring that you're there to stick it to the people that you consider to be bullies, and then proceeding to abuse them, and, for that matter following them from thread to thread doesn't count as abuse, baiting or trolling? Showing up in threads and abusing the people in it, without provocation, even if you think you're justified because you're "sticking up for the little guy" doesn't count as baiting and trolling? This very paragraph which I'm responding to doesn't qualify as complaining about the consequences?
Dude, seriously, can I have some of whatever you're smoking right now?
Oh right, so walking into a forum and declaring that you're there to stick it to the people that you consider to be bullies, and then proceeding to abuse them, and, for that matter following them from thread to thread doesn't count as abuse, baiting or trolling? Showing up in threads and abusing the people in it, without provocation, even if you think you're justified because you're "sticking up for the little guy" doesn't count as baiting and trolling? This very paragraph which I'm responding to doesn't qualify as complaining about the consequences?
Dude, seriously, can I have some of whatever you're smoking right now?
Lui.
See ya round, congratulations, because of you're stupidity and inane behaviour, i've lost interest in yet another thread you've inserted yourself into.
I'll be around, and if I post again in this thread, it won't be to you.
RPenner, or anybody else, feel free to PM me about my Essay.
See ya round, congratulations, because of you're stupidity and inane behaviour, i've lost interest in yet another thread you've inserted yourself into.
I'll be around, and if I post again in this thread, it won't be to you.
RPenner, or anybody else, feel free to PM me about my Essay.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 03:37 AM)
I did not lose the melodic minor/harmonic minor fiasco.
Of course you didn't.
Of course you didn't.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 04:44 PM)
Your inconsistency is what is vulgar.
I have been entirely consistent in my behaviour, you have simply been unable to divine the consistency. Your short comings and ineptitude are neither my fault, nor my problem.
I have been entirely consistent in my behaviour, you have simply been unable to divine the consistency. Your short comings and ineptitude are neither my fault, nor my problem.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 04:44 PM)
If you really had issue with my behavior yuu would have issue with quite a few people's behaviour. I don't believe your issue is really about my behaviour.
One does not imply the other.
One does not imply the other.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 04:44 PM)
At least, you behave quite similarly yourself, as do a fair few others, if not quite worse.
And? Only because I let idiots like you drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.
And? Only because I let idiots like you drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 04:44 PM)
You fail to recognize that others have beaten me to it, and have set out to belittle.
No, I don't fail at this.
No, I don't fail at this.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 04:44 PM)
If I step in , it's because I can't help myself. Maybe I enjoy witnessing how the biased amongst us here only then decide to take issue. It is comedy after all.
Right, so it's okay for you to belittle Geoff Mollusc (to use an example) because you can't help yourself, but, it's not okay for Geoff Mollusc to belittle you because he can't help himself..?
There's a word for this, starts with H...
Right, so it's okay for you to belittle Geoff Mollusc (to use an example) because you can't help yourself, but, it's not okay for Geoff Mollusc to belittle you because he can't help himself..?
There's a word for this, starts with H...
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 04:44 PM)
you're another person that really can't back up his opinion on this "numerology" crap. Haven't you learnt that one would require a details for saying that, highlighting parts of chapters and all? I will follow your lead and take your kind of comment as a totally stupid unlearned thing to say. You should know by now that judgement without understanding first is just bias.
You want me to back up my opinion that your work is numerology and flawed?
I shall assume then, as you have asked me to do this, that I have your implicit permission to reproduce portions of your book.
This, from your introduction is wrong.
Observing an electron doesn't make it into a particle. How do I know this? Because it's also possible to observe it as a wave.
This, from your introduction is wrong.
Observing an electron doesn't make it into a particle. How do I know this? Because it's also possible to observe it as a wave.
Why do galaxies spiral, and why is a spiral equated with the Phi ratio, and why is the Phi ratio evident within the Fibonacci numbers and vortex phenomena?
Not all Galaxy's spiral. Not all spirals are regular (only grand design spirals come close to this).
And because there's similarity at all between this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology#Alphabetic_systems
And this:
Thus. Numerology, QED.
Ah - typical FM so-called humor - not for adults.
Hmmmm, and in base 16 (hexadecimal) the VALUE we label thirty seven is written as 25. 2 + 5 = 7 = so what? Looks like your pattern falls apart.
The whole nine thing is a quirk because we have ten fingers and thus decided to use base 10. It is not the universe trying to tell us something.
As I said, you're finding Easter eggs that you hid from yourself.
You want me to back up my opinion that your work is numerology and flawed?
I shall assume then, as you have asked me to do this, that I have your implicit permission to reproduce portions of your book.
QUOTE
The electron is known to behave as a particle and as a waveform. The electron will appear as a particle when it is being observed, whereas when unobserved will appear as a waveform.
This, from your introduction is wrong.
Observing an electron doesn't make it into a particle. How do I know this? Because it's also possible to observe it as a wave.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| The electron is known to behave as a particle and as a waveform. The electron will appear as a particle when it is being observed, whereas when unobserved will appear as a waveform. |
This, from your introduction is wrong.
Observing an electron doesn't make it into a particle. How do I know this? Because it's also possible to observe it as a wave.
Why do galaxies spiral, and why is a spiral equated with the Phi ratio, and why is the Phi ratio evident within the Fibonacci numbers and vortex phenomena?
Not all Galaxy's spiral. Not all spirals are regular (only grand design spirals come close to this).
And because there's similarity at all between this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology#Alphabetic_systems
And this:
QUOTE
All numbers can be broken down to a number between one and nine. Here is an example:
37 = 3 + 7 = 10 = 1 + 0 = 1
Therefore the number 37 can also be broken down to and represent the number 1. The number 1 will be seen as the beginning of a cycle of numbers based on 37.
37 = 3 + 7 = 10 = 1 + 0 = 1
Therefore the number 37 can also be broken down to and represent the number 1. The number 1 will be seen as the beginning of a cycle of numbers based on 37.
Thus. Numerology, QED.
Empress Palpatine
Well put
No censorship beyond rules of decorum and politeness.
Need one say more -
QUOTE
And yet, the fleas come with the dog. Not all material posted is true scientific wisdom. Since the new communications medium is so open, all sorts of people can put out their ideas. It is good. It is freedom which is very refreshing. It is an equal playing field for all. I would never want censorship beyond rules of decorum and politeness; however, everyone must know not all ideas expressed are accurate. In one's own mind, one separates the sheep from the goats.
Well put
No censorship beyond rules of decorum and politeness.
Need one say more -
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 02:37 AM)
For the record, I consider Raphie Frank one of the better contributors here.
Well of course you do.
QUOTE
37 = 3 + 7 = 10 = 1 + 0 = 1
Well of course you do.
0 + 0 = Raphie Frank + Mick Derry.
QUOTE
0 + 0 = Raphie Frank + Mick Derry.
Ah - typical FM so-called humor - not for adults.
Maybe it would help if you took the time to explain what is a merkaba.
Thats fine, but if you dont want to take the time to explain your theory, then dont be upset when people say you have no theory.
QUOTE
All numbers can be broken down to a number between one and nine. Here is an example: 37 = 3 + 7 = 10 = 1 + 0 = 1
Therefore the number 37 can also be broken down to and represent the number 1. The number 1 will be seen as the beginning of a cycle of numbers based on 37.
Therefore the number 37 can also be broken down to and represent the number 1. The number 1 will be seen as the beginning of a cycle of numbers based on 37.
Hmmmm, and in base 16 (hexadecimal) the VALUE we label thirty seven is written as 25. 2 + 5 = 7 = so what? Looks like your pattern falls apart.
The whole nine thing is a quirk because we have ten fingers and thus decided to use base 10. It is not the universe trying to tell us something.
As I said, you're finding Easter eggs that you hid from yourself.
Merkaba definition
Technically, it is an electro-magnetic field sitting at about four degrees Kelvin,
found primarily within the microwave range at least in the third dimension that is
entirely geometric in nature.
Specifically, the geometry used is called ''Sacred Geometry,'' as this particular geometry
is found in the creation patterns of all things in Creation.
The Mer-Ka-Ba field is extremely complex, involving the five Platonic solids and other
sacred polyhedrons. It is believed to extend through all possible dimensional and
parallel universes, and can possibly change its nature from electro-magnetic to whatever
is appropriate.
The blueprint of the Mer-Ka-Ba is found throughout nature.
And yes, absolutely, the Mer-Ka-Ba is alive. It is a living field, not a purely mechanical
field of energy. Because it is a living field, it responds to human thought and feeling,
which is the way to connect to the field. So the ''computer'' that guides the Mer-Ka-Ba is
the human mind and heart. The possibilities are endless.
At a certain and specific moment (not necessarily in this lifetime), a person's Mer-Ka-Ba
field can become alive. When this happens, an electro-magnetic change occurs which
results in a disc of energy that comes out from a tiny place near the base of the spine
and quickly expands to about 27 to 30 feet in radius around the body. This disc can
easily be perceived by scientific means, and if the United States Airforce is correct it can
be put up on their computer screens via satellite. In other words, the military can see
people who activate their Mer-Ka-Bas, and watch as they move around the surface of
the Earth.
Since the number of people who have done this is now in the millions, it is a fairly
common sight now. It is the enormous magnetic burst that results from the disc
expanding that brings attention to itself. This can easily be made invisible by people who
activate their Mer-ka-Bas, if they so desire.
Copyright Drunvalo Melchizedek, though Lui included it in his work, too. I'll find Lui's ORIGINAL manuscript and post the url. Then we can all have a laugh at this internet wanabe.
Grumpy
Technically, it is an electro-magnetic field sitting at about four degrees Kelvin,
found primarily within the microwave range at least in the third dimension that is
entirely geometric in nature.
Specifically, the geometry used is called ''Sacred Geometry,'' as this particular geometry
is found in the creation patterns of all things in Creation.
The Mer-Ka-Ba field is extremely complex, involving the five Platonic solids and other
sacred polyhedrons. It is believed to extend through all possible dimensional and
parallel universes, and can possibly change its nature from electro-magnetic to whatever
is appropriate.
The blueprint of the Mer-Ka-Ba is found throughout nature.
And yes, absolutely, the Mer-Ka-Ba is alive. It is a living field, not a purely mechanical
field of energy. Because it is a living field, it responds to human thought and feeling,
which is the way to connect to the field. So the ''computer'' that guides the Mer-Ka-Ba is
the human mind and heart. The possibilities are endless.
At a certain and specific moment (not necessarily in this lifetime), a person's Mer-Ka-Ba
field can become alive. When this happens, an electro-magnetic change occurs which
results in a disc of energy that comes out from a tiny place near the base of the spine
and quickly expands to about 27 to 30 feet in radius around the body. This disc can
easily be perceived by scientific means, and if the United States Airforce is correct it can
be put up on their computer screens via satellite. In other words, the military can see
people who activate their Mer-Ka-Bas, and watch as they move around the surface of
the Earth.
Since the number of people who have done this is now in the millions, it is a fairly
common sight now. It is the enormous magnetic burst that results from the disc
expanding that brings attention to itself. This can easily be made invisible by people who
activate their Mer-ka-Bas, if they so desire.
Copyright Drunvalo Melchizedek, though Lui included it in his work, too. I'll find Lui's ORIGINAL manuscript and post the url. Then we can all have a laugh at this internet wanabe.
Grumpy
You're still quoting that Drunvalo clown? And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.
Who is Drunvalo Melchizedek?
Who is Drunvalo Melchizedek?
Lui
So there is only a little bit of poop in your coffee??? And you wonder why we won't drink it???
I require any coffee that I drink to be absolutely poop free and science, to be valid, must be free of such mystical crap(by the way, your book originally contained much, much more poop until we pointed that out).
Grumpy
So there is only a little bit of poop in your coffee??? And you wonder why we won't drink it???
I require any coffee that I drink to be absolutely poop free and science, to be valid, must be free of such mystical crap(by the way, your book originally contained much, much more poop until we pointed that out).
Grumpy
What do you call a musician who lost his girlfriend?
Homeless.
Homeless.
QUOTE (AlexG+May 2 2009, 07:12 PM)
What do you call a musician who lost his girlfriend?
Homeless.
Ha ha! Often the case.
What do you call two fretless bass players playing in unison?
A flat 2nd.
Homeless.
Ha ha! Often the case.
What do you call two fretless bass players playing in unison?
A flat 2nd.
Lui
Why do you bring up god? Mysticism and superstitious nonsense have nothing to contribute to science. But then, neither do you.
Grumpy
Why do you bring up god? Mysticism and superstitious nonsense have nothing to contribute to science. But then, neither do you.
Grumpy
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 11:38 AM)
You are focusing on the parts. The whole is much more interesting because of the one consistent structure that keeps appearing in many different examples.
Of course I am. It's the parts that make up the whole. If the parts are crap, then the whole stinks... pure and easy.
Of course I am. It's the parts that make up the whole. If the parts are crap, then the whole stinks... pure and easy.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 2 2009, 11:37 PM)
It's in these kinds of summing things up where the real problem is. If you can't actually grasp what the points in the book about are, I shall have to find scientists that can get past these petty judgements. There is a lot more to it than what you seem to think. Venturing into the second chapter would be a great help.
yes the number line does display a serious of nine cycles. Obviously no big deal if it were left at that. But you'd be failing to follow the argument if you didn't venture further, into the music scales, the overtone structure, the fibonacci numbers and Phi, amongst other things.
So no, you are a liar , because for some reason you enjoy more the put down than actually trying to grasp what argument is being made. In other words if your conclusion is "numerology" then I already know you have failed to grasp the arguments being made in the book.
Loads to do. Am tying in the argument in the book with the holographic principle. There will be a major revision coming soon. The last place I'll bother with is here when that is up online. But I can rest assured that the errand boy Occidental will be checking my site often, eagerly awaiting its release. Must buy him a pint one day.
I don't have to do anything.
You asked me to demonstrate using passages from your book, how it dealt with Numerology.
I illustrated how parts of the introduction were wrong, and how parts of the introduction (or the first chapter, I lost track of where I was) dealt with numerology.
I have therefore substantiated my claim that your work is, or deals with numerology.
I haven't lied about anything.
As far as your cycles go, congratulations, you 'discovered' that:
1=1
1+1=2
1+1+1=3
1+1+1+1=4.
Big deal, I knew that already, and it's made no spiritual difference in my life.
Any jibber-jabber about new versions of your book is usless to me, unless you've uploaded it so :shrug:.
yes the number line does display a serious of nine cycles. Obviously no big deal if it were left at that. But you'd be failing to follow the argument if you didn't venture further, into the music scales, the overtone structure, the fibonacci numbers and Phi, amongst other things.
So no, you are a liar , because for some reason you enjoy more the put down than actually trying to grasp what argument is being made. In other words if your conclusion is "numerology" then I already know you have failed to grasp the arguments being made in the book.
Loads to do. Am tying in the argument in the book with the holographic principle. There will be a major revision coming soon. The last place I'll bother with is here when that is up online. But I can rest assured that the errand boy Occidental will be checking my site often, eagerly awaiting its release. Must buy him a pint one day.
I don't have to do anything.
You asked me to demonstrate using passages from your book, how it dealt with Numerology.
I illustrated how parts of the introduction were wrong, and how parts of the introduction (or the first chapter, I lost track of where I was) dealt with numerology.
I have therefore substantiated my claim that your work is, or deals with numerology.
I haven't lied about anything.
As far as your cycles go, congratulations, you 'discovered' that:
1=1
1+1=2
1+1+1=3
1+1+1+1=4.
Big deal, I knew that already, and it's made no spiritual difference in my life.
Any jibber-jabber about new versions of your book is usless to me, unless you've uploaded it so :shrug:.
QUOTE (MickDerry+May 3 2009, 04:38 AM)
...meaning one can present it as a series of lazers if they wish...
Oh FFS.
It's LASER, not lazer or laser, but LASER.
LASER is an acronym that means something, lazer is a meaningless agglomeration of letters.
(Yes, another of my pet peeves).
Oh FFS.
It's LASER, not lazer or laser, but LASER.
LASER is an acronym that means something, lazer is a meaningless agglomeration of letters.
(Yes, another of my pet peeves).
At http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=384034 we see the claim:- " thirty years+ as a PHYSICS PROFESSOR means I had to study the subject(continually-"
and the result of thirty years of study:-
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=398325
"..And light is massless and cannot carry momentum."
Grumpy is admirably qualified to convey the message:-
Think for yourself. Trust no-one.
-C2.
and the result of thirty years of study:-
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=398325
"..And light is massless and cannot carry momentum."
Grumpy is admirably qualified to convey the message:-
Think for yourself. Trust no-one.
-C2.
Happy May Day!
Has the party started yet?
Has the party started yet?
Actually it's over now.
We had really good pizza in the style of Northern California and drinks. There were balloons and a performer from http://www.madscience.org/ and the whole thing was fantastic.
We held (separate) discussions on copyright, movies and history. Nearby, some venue was holding something called "Free Comic Book day," so we had some spillover from that as well.
Here are the winners of the forum ranking.
We had really good pizza in the style of Northern California and drinks. There were balloons and a performer from http://www.madscience.org/ and the whole thing was fantastic.
We held (separate) discussions on copyright, movies and history. Nearby, some venue was holding something called "Free Comic Book day," so we had some spillover from that as well.
Here are the winners of the forum ranking.
- Quatermass -- Suspended 2048 days -- All posts back to April 1 edited for hateful commentary. Numerous science mistakes may remain, so please audit at will.
- Cusa -- Suspended 1024 days -- All posts back to April 1 edited for quality
- TheFairy -- Suspended 256 days -- All posts back to April 1 edited for quality [Moderator: Made permanent when an attempt to evade moderator action was taken.]
- Ivars -- Suspended 128 days -- It is expected that the exercises at the end of the PDF in this post will finally be tackled by him.
- SteveA2 -- Suspended 64 days -- Note: this user only posted once since April 1.
- MickDerry -- Suspended 64 days -- All posts back to April 1 edited for hateful commentary and quality.
- bukh -- Suspended 16 days
- Raphie Frank -- Suspended 8 days
- Farsight -- Suspended 8 days
- sporacle -- Suspended 2 days
Sounds like y'all had a blast. Too bad I am all the way in Florida.
QUOTE (rpenner+May 3 2009, 02:33 AM)
Here are the winners of the forum ranking.
Wow.
- Quatermass -- Suspended 2048 days -- All posts back to April 1 edited for hateful comment. Numerous science mistakes may remain, so please audit at will.
Wow.
Winning Essays.
Note, in no case did anyone who recieve even one vote even submit an essay for review. Thank you for participating.
Note, in no case did anyone who recieve even one vote even submit an essay for review. Thank you for participating.
- Edward 3, Before the Beginning Silent World [A Poem] (in Puzzling questions)
- occidental, Various Poster Characteristics including an Editorial on Banning Participants of The Forum (in Other Sci-Tech Topics)
- rpenner, Scientifically Speaking Some notes on What is Science (in Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, New Theories)
- prometheus, How to tell science from crack-pottery (in Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, New Theories)
- Grumpy, Recognizing Pseudo-Science (in Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, New Theories)
- Empress Palpatine, Science For The People In Celebration of May 1st (in Other Sci-Tech Topics)
- Euler, The Crank How to spot one (in Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, New Theories)
- Trippy, My Job Science in the community (in Chemistry)
- AlphaNumeric, How to tell science from crackpottery Placing string theory in the spectrum(in Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, New Theories)
Actually, my non essay (we need more Farsight) was the best.
Holy security code Batman! Move 200k and it changes. My laptop is still better than anyone's I bet. (except for power consumption.)
Wait, Trippy's essay was the best: it made me picture lakes and farmlands.
Holy security code Batman! Move 200k and it changes. My laptop is still better than anyone's I bet. (except for power consumption.)
Wait, Trippy's essay was the best: it made me picture lakes and farmlands.
I completely missed this whole exercise.
Because you probably still have a snow-shovel in hand, not a gardener's trowel. 
Fun topic, too bad I missed it before May...
Fun topic, too bad I missed it before May...
Golly gees, I only made it to number 10. I'll have to try harder.
Betcha anything human beings generate contains a proportion of BS, and it will always come back around and get on you.
spo
Betcha anything human beings generate contains a proportion of BS, and it will always come back around and get on you.
spo
More essays: http://www.allianceforscience.org/2009_essay_winners
QUOTE (rpenner+May 5 2009, 06:36 AM)
More essays: http://www.allianceforscience.org/2009_essay_winners
It's no surprise why they won. Science requires sorting through the endless pile of nonsense, junk, BS and good stuff using scientific method. Good science is not only finding good stuff, but finding how different good stuff is interrelated and reporting it well.
It's no surprise why they won. Science requires sorting through the endless pile of nonsense, junk, BS and good stuff using scientific method. Good science is not only finding good stuff, but finding how different good stuff is interrelated and reporting it well.
Fairy1000 was created with the same modus operandi of TheFairy (who had a mere 6000 hours of suspension remaining on his vacation). Both users banned.
Such a shame I missed it... I love to type long-winded essays...
EDIT: Also I read much of one side of the argument with Liu.... It seems part of it was about me... Such a shame I didn't have a chance to defend myself, but my thanks go out to all those who did so on my behalf.
EDIT: Also I read much of one side of the argument with Liu.... It seems part of it was about me... Such a shame I didn't have a chance to defend myself, but my thanks go out to all those who did so on my behalf.
Quote MP
"The graviton is non-self-interacting. Gravitons do not interact with other gravitons"
Great to see you back MP - Iīve been waiting awhile to ask you if you want to reconsider this statement!!
"The graviton is non-self-interacting. Gravitons do not interact with other gravitons"
Great to see you back MP - Iīve been waiting awhile to ask you if you want to reconsider this statement!!
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 6 2009, 06:58 PM)
Quote MP
"The graviton is non-self-interacting. Gravitons do not interact with other gravitons"
Great to see you back MP - Iīve been waiting awhile to ask you if you want to reconsider this statement!!
Wow. Stalking me so soon after I decide to post again? I'm flattered to know that I'm that important to you. It's a little disturbing, but since you don't know my real name or where I live, I think I can live with it.
Unfortunately, I'm a sucker for an argument, so I have to actually respond:
Let's assume I'm wrong in that statment...
So a gravitational field attracts all objects, including itself. So every gravitational field would have collapsed into a singularity of some sort by now, and we'd all be nothing but particles floating in space with no planet on which we could collect and evolve.
Considering that I'm not just a scattering of particles floating through space, I think I'll stand by it.
(PS. You forgot to include the original bolding.)
"The graviton is non-self-interacting. Gravitons do not interact with other gravitons"
Great to see you back MP - Iīve been waiting awhile to ask you if you want to reconsider this statement!!
Wow. Stalking me so soon after I decide to post again? I'm flattered to know that I'm that important to you. It's a little disturbing, but since you don't know my real name or where I live, I think I can live with it.
Unfortunately, I'm a sucker for an argument, so I have to actually respond:
Let's assume I'm wrong in that statment...
So a gravitational field attracts all objects, including itself. So every gravitational field would have collapsed into a singularity of some sort by now, and we'd all be nothing but particles floating in space with no planet on which we could collect and evolve.
Considering that I'm not just a scattering of particles floating through space, I think I'll stand by it.
(PS. You forgot to include the original bolding.)
That does not follow from non-Abelian QFT.
Hard to tell from that last post MP whether you are now saying they say self-interact or if you are sticking with your original line. If you recall you used your thesis that they do not self-interact as an explanation for BH radiation and you downright whinged when I was a bit slow in thanking you for that contribution. However, the following is a more recent post from A/N.
"Gravitons self interact and they are bosons. W and Z bosons have mass and are bosons so they certainly interact with gravitons."
p.s got the neg , thanks - itīs been added to my fishy collection !!
"Gravitons self interact and they are bosons. W and Z bosons have mass and are bosons so they certainly interact with gravitons."
p.s got the neg , thanks - itīs been added to my fishy collection !!
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 7 2009, 10:30 AM)
Hard to tell from that last post MP whether you are now saying they say self-interact or if you are sticking with your original line.
It figures that you couldn't understand such a simple statement as "Considering that I'm not just a scattering of particles floating through space, I think I'll stand by it."
No, I didn't. I explained something rather clearly, AlexG explained it in a slightly different way, and you misunderstood us both. Hawking radiation (the term you should be using instead of "BH radiation," judging from the context in which you continue to use it) doesn't consist of gravitons, and so isn't applicable to what I or AlexG was explaining to you about gravitons.
No, I didn't. I explained something rather clearly, AlexG explained it in a slightly different way, and you misunderstood us both. Hawking radiation (the term you should be using instead of "BH radiation," judging from the context in which you continue to use it) doesn't consist of gravitons, and so isn't applicable to what I or AlexG was explaining to you about gravitons.
and you downright whinged when I was a bit slow in thanking you for that contribution.
Bullsh*t.
Glad you like it. You do seem to go out of your way to earn them...
Glad you like it. You do seem to go out of your way to earn them...
However, the following is a more recent post from A/N.
It figures that you couldn't understand such a simple statement as "Considering that I'm not just a scattering of particles floating through space, I think I'll stand by it."
QUOTE
If you recall you used your thesis that they do not self-interact as an explanation for BH radiation
No, I didn't. I explained something rather clearly, AlexG explained it in a slightly different way, and you misunderstood us both. Hawking radiation (the term you should be using instead of "BH radiation," judging from the context in which you continue to use it) doesn't consist of gravitons, and so isn't applicable to what I or AlexG was explaining to you about gravitons.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| If you recall you used your thesis that they do not self-interact as an explanation for BH radiation |
No, I didn't. I explained something rather clearly, AlexG explained it in a slightly different way, and you misunderstood us both. Hawking radiation (the term you should be using instead of "BH radiation," judging from the context in which you continue to use it) doesn't consist of gravitons, and so isn't applicable to what I or AlexG was explaining to you about gravitons.
and you downright whinged when I was a bit slow in thanking you for that contribution.
Bullsh*t.
QUOTE
p.s got the neg , thanks - itīs been added to my fishy collection !!
Glad you like it. You do seem to go out of your way to earn them...
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| p.s got the neg , thanks - itīs been added to my fishy collection !! |
Glad you like it. You do seem to go out of your way to earn them...
However, the following is a more recent post from A/N.
QUOTE (rpenner+)
That does not follow from non-Abelian QFT
If I'm wrong, it's because I'm incorrectly using the word "interactions." What I'm trying to say is that gravitational fields attract mass, not other gravitational field, and certainly not itself: The graviton is believed to be massless.
rpenner, Edward's original hang-up was that he couldn't wrap his head around the idea that a black hole can emit gravitons, because he kept thinking that the BH's gravity would prevent them from escaping.
If I'm wrong, it's because I'm incorrectly using the word "interactions." What I'm trying to say is that gravitational fields attract mass, not other gravitational field, and certainly not itself: The graviton is believed to be massless.
rpenner, Edward's original hang-up was that he couldn't wrap his head around the idea that a black hole can emit gravitons, because he kept thinking that the BH's gravity would prevent them from escaping.
Quote MP
rpenner, Edward's original hang-up was that he couldn't wrap his head around the idea that a black hole can emit gravitons, because he kept thinking that the BH's gravity would prevent them from escaping.
And your response was that gravitons do not self-interact. And Iīm saying that A/N - who knows something about gravitons - says they do.
And what are you on about that only mass is affected by gravity - you have heard of photons, I presume!!
Nothing wrong with being wrong now and again - problem is when you canīt admit it. All you have to do is acknowledge that you posted something that was incorrect - just so any OPīs who may have been misled by you will be put straight on the matter.
rpenner, Edward's original hang-up was that he couldn't wrap his head around the idea that a black hole can emit gravitons, because he kept thinking that the BH's gravity would prevent them from escaping.
And your response was that gravitons do not self-interact. And Iīm saying that A/N - who knows something about gravitons - says they do.
And what are you on about that only mass is affected by gravity - you have heard of photons, I presume!!
Nothing wrong with being wrong now and again - problem is when you canīt admit it. All you have to do is acknowledge that you posted something that was incorrect - just so any OPīs who may have been misled by you will be put straight on the matter.
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 7 2009, 06:58 PM)
Quote MP
rpenner, Edward's original hang-up was that he couldn't wrap his head around the idea that a black hole can emit gravitons, because he kept thinking that the BH's gravity would prevent them from escaping.
Have you figured out what that button on the posting page that says "quote" means yet?
I never once claimed that only massive particles are affected by gravity.
I never once claimed that only massive particles are affected by gravity.
- you have heard of photons, I presume!!
You have heard of general relativity, I presume!!
Pick up a book on string theory (Brian Greene is a great start) if you want to know a good reason why a quantum gravitational field affects light but not itself, I'm not going into it here because it's waaaaaaay over your heard and thus, a waste of my time to explain it. (Yet even then, it's a ridiculously simple concept with respect to most of the rest of string theory.)
Physician, heal thyself.
And you're a dishonest prick, too: I already admitted I might have used a term incorrectly.
Physician, heal thyself.
And you're a dishonest prick, too: I already admitted I might have used a term incorrectly.
All you have to do is acknowledge that you posted something that was incorrect - just so any OPīs who may have been misled by you will be put straight on the matter.
I'll tell you what: Why don't you come up with an argument against me that doesn't depend on an appeal to authority?
I know you must have felt pretty vindicated when you read what AN supposedly wrote, but bear in mind that even if I'm completely and utterly wrong in every way about this: You don't know nearly enough to have proven me so on your own.)
rpenner, Edward's original hang-up was that he couldn't wrap his head around the idea that a black hole can emit gravitons, because he kept thinking that the BH's gravity would prevent them from escaping.
Have you figured out what that button on the posting page that says "quote" means yet?
QUOTE
And what are you on about that only mass is affected by gravity
I never once claimed that only massive particles are affected by gravity.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| And what are you on about that only mass is affected by gravity |
I never once claimed that only massive particles are affected by gravity.
- you have heard of photons, I presume!!
You have heard of general relativity, I presume!!
Pick up a book on string theory (Brian Greene is a great start) if you want to know a good reason why a quantum gravitational field affects light but not itself, I'm not going into it here because it's waaaaaaay over your heard and thus, a waste of my time to explain it. (Yet even then, it's a ridiculously simple concept with respect to most of the rest of string theory.)
QUOTE
Nothing wrong with being wrong now and again - problem is when you canīt admit it.
Physician, heal thyself.
And you're a dishonest prick, too: I already admitted I might have used a term incorrectly.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Nothing wrong with being wrong now and again - problem is when you canīt admit it. |
Physician, heal thyself.
And you're a dishonest prick, too: I already admitted I might have used a term incorrectly.
All you have to do is acknowledge that you posted something that was incorrect - just so any OPīs who may have been misled by you will be put straight on the matter.
I'll tell you what: Why don't you come up with an argument against me that doesn't depend on an appeal to authority?
I know you must have felt pretty vindicated when you read what AN supposedly wrote, but bear in mind that even if I'm completely and utterly wrong in every way about this: You don't know nearly enough to have proven me so on your own.
)
You can twist things all you want MP - simple fact remains you said gravitions do not self-interact - this is not "using a term incorrectly". It is 100% WRONG. So, who is the dishonest prick?
rpenner,
I missed the competition. Any future contests? Works of fiction acceptable?
I missed the competition. Any future contests? Works of fiction acceptable?
Bump due to neo-Nazi attack.
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+May 7 2009 08:30 PM)
Why don't you come up with an argument against me that doesn't depend on an appeal to authority?
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 8 2009, 08:01 AM)
You can twist things all you want MP - simple fact remains you said gravitions do not self-interact - this is not "using a term incorrectly". It is 100% WRONG. So, who is the dishonest prick?
I didn't think you could...
Oh, and to answer your question: You still are.
I didn't think you could...
Oh, and to answer your question: You still are.
Pretty hopeless response MP - you got it wrong and you just canīt bring yourself to admit it. In fact, your first response was to give me a neg - coz you were wrong!! What a silly girl!! And, you also managed to get the answer to my last question 100% WRONG.
QUOTE (Edward 3+May 8 2009, 01:42 PM)
Pretty hopeless response MP - you got it wrong and you just canīt bring yourself to admit it. In fact, your first response was to give me a neg - coz you were wrong!! What a silly girl!! And, you also managed to get the answer to my last question 100% WRONG.
I really shouldn't be responding to this, but... Well, what can I say? I'm getting a bit of a kick out of seeing you act like a three year old.
I really shouldn't be responding to this, but... Well, what can I say? I'm getting a bit of a kick out of seeing you act like a three year old.
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