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coberst
The Matador’s Veil

When I set out to understand some particular matter I start with some model of what I think is the answer I am after. From this point I modify my papier-mâché like intellectual model until I reach some kind of understanding for the question I posed to myself in the beginning.

The question I started with many years ago was ‘How does my world operate’? My metaphor, that represents “how the cow ate-the-cabbage”, is bullfight. I would call this my world view but more appropriately it is my nation view, because I only know my nation--the United States.

The Matador waving a red cape to manipulate a giant muscular bull is my understanding of how my world functions. The bull is the people; the Matador is the oligarchy that controls the people with various ideologies.

In America the oligarchy consists primarily of the leaders of CA (Corporate America). It is the wealth and organization of corporations that comprises the corner-stone of American power.

I recently watched the DVD copy of the movie “The Insider”. This depicts the story of Jeffrey Wiegand, former executive of Brown & Williamson Tobacco, who decided to make known to the world the facts of Big Tobacco.

The movie clearly demonstrates the power of CA and the pain they can inflict on any person who attempts to reveal their secrets. Comparing the DVD movie to the TV show the “Sopranos” I decided that there is little difference between the two modes of operation except for the fact that the actions of the Sopranos are often illegal whereas the actions of the corporations are most often legal.

I think that both shows are valuable viewing for the public because both shows peel back the surface layer of reality to expose the layer that is not obvious to the common sense realism we perceive life to be.


Is an oligarchy (government by the few) necessary for any democracy to function?
Confused2
Maybe the 'good guys' and those who do not seek power and territory are unwittingly subcontracting out their civic and national duties to the 'bad guys'.

Is that necessary for a democracy to function? Doesn't answer the question but it's a bit worrying.

-C2.
Confused2
Assuming full disclosure of any illegal activities..
Would Al Capone have won many votes if he had stood for presidential election?
-C2.
coberst
QUOTE (Confused2+Jul 6 2006, 10:43 AM)
Assuming full disclosure of any illegal activities..
Would Al Capone have won many votes if he had stood for presidential election?
-C2.

The oligarachy never does "full disclosure".
Confused2
That's evading the question. Maybe wisely.
-C2.
Saavik
QUOTE
Is an oligarchy (government by the few) necessary for any democracy to function?


It is hard to say. If the masses are apathetic and uneducated, then they need to have a small group of people in control. Instead of thinking about what they should do, they look for someone who will tell them what to do. But in better circumstances, I think a democracy truly ruled by the people could be possible.
curious1
I don't think true democracy is any more possible than true marxist communism.

Even the Constitution was never framed to include women, slaves or indentured/landless serfs, that's why voting wasn't allowed for women or blacks til a century or more later. From the start, when they said "We the People", they meant them, the Oligarchs:P.

Voting in the US is a sham. We don't vote for whoever we want, we get 2 choices and the option to write someone in. Our votes are tabulated, as SUGGESTIONS to the Electoral College, who then votes anyone they want (go look up the Electoral College). Of course, what choice did we have, we didn't pick the 2 candidates anyway, the other oligarchs did.

When were you last invited to the National Democratic or Republican Convention? Lets see a show of hands, or posts, who here attended their last Democratic or Republican Convention, and who here got to vote in a Primary?

So... we get to vote... for a preselected candidate, and our votes don't even have to count, because we have the Electoral College, and then the Supreme Court to overturn our decisions (Al Gore beat Bush by popular vote).

What Democracy?

Realistically, democracies don't work anyway. Everyone should go read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, it explains the problem exquisitely.

Historically, the best possible government is Plato's Republic. The Oligarchy drags someone kicking and screaming into the Autocrat position, and this person is so well respected by all that they can all to agree with his selection (a remarkable person indeed). He's so wealthy that corruption is no longer relevant. He's so smart that he made his own money and made it to #1. He's so knowledgeable that he's well known to all through his works. He's so charitable that he's established foundations for the sole purpose of giving his money away.

I want to vote for Warren Buffett or Bill Gates for President. We need to impeach Bush, but no one will because then we'd get Cheney. Oh boy.
coberst

I think that we must become detectives if we wish to ‘see’ beyond the cape. The important things are often well hidden and without detective skills and a critical self-consciousness we cannot see beyond the first layer of reality.

The detective must analyze evidence and draw lines of incrimination between possibilities, what is in accord with human nature, and motive.

The power rests in the hands of a few. This few are like all humans inclined to protect their own selfish needs. The people are like bovine, either staring vacantly into the distance or running with the herd. If CA CEOs do not run America then they are dimmer than I think they are.

These leaders of corporations, banks, media, elite universities, insurance, military, think tanks, etc. network with one another and already control most of America’s power they would have little reason not to run things. There is nothing to stop them.
zoktoberfest
QUOTE (coberst+Jul 10 2006, 09:41 AM)
I think that we must become detectives if we wish to ‘see’ beyond the cape.  The important things are often well hidden and without detective skills and a critical self-consciousness we cannot see beyond the first layer of reality.

The detective must analyze evidence and draw lines of incrimination between possibilities, what is in accord with human nature, and motive.

The power rests in the hands of a few.  This few are like all humans inclined to protect their own selfish needs.  The people are like bovine, either staring vacantly into the distance or running with the herd.  If CA CEOs do not run America then they are dimmer than I think they are.

These leaders of corporations, banks, media, elite universities, insurance, military, think tanks, etc. network with one another and already control most of America’s power they would have little reason not to run things.  There is nothing to stop them.

I'm a creature of analogy, and I see one existing between the distribution of the electorate and the armament philosophies of the U.S., and the Soviet Union, during the cold war. Allow me to elaborate. From its' earliest moments of implementation, the cast of characters in the theater of democracy were smaller groups of the more wealthy and larger groups of the less wealthy. During the cold war, the procurement policy of the U.S. military was to have a small inventory of tomorrows technology while the Soviets had a large inventory of yesterdays technology. In both cases you have a quantitative imbalance. Rich landowners were vastly out numbered, in this one man, one vote environment. So, right from the very beginning, we can see the desperate need for a strategy of the "fewer" to influence the voting habits of the "greater". The seeds of the eventual destruction of the democratic process, were thus planted at its' conception. From that day forth, the "few" would offset the differential by manipulating the "greater", to vote against their own best interests, and to align themselves with the self aggrandizing interests of the "few". At no time in the recent history of democracy is this more evident than now. The "few" are now completely in power. Centuries of honing their skills; brainwashing the electorate, disguising intent, has come to fruition. Downwardly mobile Americans, watching their incomes and their loved ones, disappearing over seas, wave the flag most vociferously in support of the most obscene war profiteering, and transfer of wealth in the history of civilization. I come from humble, blue collar, working class roots. I'm indebted to them for allowing me to have some breathing room in which to become enlightened. Unfortunately, the chasm that has grown between us is now insurmountable. They accept the lies and distortions of reality, coming from the Administration, at face value. They are oblivious to the preponderance of unrestrained corporate power. They are comfortable with the dominion of Christian fundamentalism. I understand that their happiness and content emanates from a belief that might makes right. "That movie that grossed the most at the box office, must be the best, since all those people went to see it, right?" "Sure, Uncle Bill, I'm sure it was the best movie ever made"
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