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Empress Palpatine
They just did a little digging on Mars recently. They found water ice. They found nutrients in the soil...good enough to even plant asparagus.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25396378/

It would be fine farming except for too much UV and insufficient atmosphere. I wonder, would green houses or gardens underground work? If so, could we colonize it?
Bringer-of-Light
This just goes to reinforce my theory that we are meant to expand to mars when our technology is ready. Finding good soil and water is no coincidence, a divine hand can be seen in this.
N O M
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 05:10 PM)
This just goes to reinforce my theory that we are meant to expand to mars when our technology is ready. Finding good soil and water is no coincidence, a divine hand can be seen in this.

Sod off smarmy christian git. Nothing about religion here.
Beer w/Straw
QUOTE (Empress Palpatine+Jun 27 2008, 05:07 AM)
They just did a little digging on Mars recently. They found water ice. They found nutrients in the soil...good enough to even plant asparagus.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25396378/

It would be fine farming except for too much UV and insufficient atmosphere. I wonder, would green houses or gardens underground work? If so, could we colonize it?

I don't think we are near capable in technology. My happy thoughts about Mars got debunked cause I didn't understand the magnetic field relationship with the planets core. Well, not debunked cause I wanted to know in the first place, but my happy thought went away.
Bringer-of-Light
If you cannot see a divine hand in this issue its because you are willfully blind.
Alcari
QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light+Jun 27 2008, 07:34 PM)
If you cannot see a divine hand in this issue its because you are willfully blind.

Ahh, the good old argument from ignorance.

Tell me something, if Zeus really meant us to live on Mars, why didn't he just create a nice breathable atmosphere, with pretty blue oceans and green pastures as far as the eye can see?

I mean, a big ball of rust and no oxygen doesn't sound like it was "meant to" be colonized.

And why didn't Zeus just ask Hephaestus to build a big bridge to Mars? We wouldn't have to muck about with dangerous and expensive rockets
kjw
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Empress Palpatine Posted: Yesterday at 3:07 PM It would be fine farming except for too much UV and insufficient atmosphere. I wonder, would green houses or gardens underground work? If so, could we colonize it?
underground sure why not. and with some helpful microorganisms (or nanobots?) to prep the soil and atmosphere, while underground supports the planetary developers.

oh and we need to sort out the ethical implications should life currently exists on mars...

MjolnirPants
QUOTE (kjw+Jun 27 2008, 09:30 PM)
oh and we need to sort out the ethical implications should life currently exists on mars...

What ethical considerations?
If it's sentient, we don't mess with it, if not, we study it, learn from it, an use it the way we do other forms o life here on earth, then set up a 'game preserve' fer posterity.
An the good money's on it not bein sentient.
EDIT: Fer clarity's sake, I jes wanna say that treatin non-sentient life with due care an respect is all fine an good, but when it comes down to it, we're all morally obliged to put the good o humanity first.
kjw
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MjolnirPants Posted on Today at 7:49 AM What ethical considerations?
if development of mars were to occur as suggested ie modify its soil and atmosphere i would hope that a thorough investigation of any life present to be conducted. although there are certain cases where specicide is deemed acceptable eg certain mosquito's by olivia judson, we should at least have good reasons for planned extinctions.

Beer w/Straw
I want to know how to get radioactive material, those heavy unstable elements that decay, into the core.
Enthalpy
Water?

Ahum... Re-read carefully what they published. From the first sample baking, they stated very carefully that the minerals must have been processed by water there or somewhere else in the past.

I'd like to read "this quantity of water evaporated at this low temperature from the sample" and not "traces at 1000°C". With a chromatograph and a mass spectrometer, they can sniff few molecules of water which, at that temperature, is rather crystallization water like in concrete or alumina, unavailable to life.

So from what I could read up to now, the result is rather "no water" in any usable form nor interesting amount, and not "water available".

The white marks that sublimated can be anything volatile, not necessarily water ice. Maybe just CO2 ice?

Still hoping that they will be able to dig deeper and then find authentic water ice in significant amounts. I guess Phoenix's people also await more results to publish clearer statements.
N O M
One thing about space exploration that must really miff these self-righteous christian tossers is how the planets and other bodies are named after non-christian religions.
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