The greatest challenge to reducing Carbon emissions is the profit's, and Government revenue from Coal mining.
With world Coal being in demand like never before, invested resistance to less burnt Coal has never been greater than before.
21st Century Thermal Power Generator
Today’s best steam turbine generator was invented before man orbited the Earth, walked on the Moon or drove across Mars.
A 350 megawatt steam turbine needs 550 degree constant temperature, and each operating hour emits 540 tonne of Carbon and dissipates 540,000 liters of water. (Tarong Queensland Australia)
DaS Energy 350 megawatt CO2 turbine by comparison needs 70 degree constant temperature, and each operating hour emits 86 tonne of Carbon, and dissipates no water.
Any active gas can be employed in the DaS Energy thermal turbine. Many other than CO2 (R774) have greater energy to heat properties.
Carbon Capture and Storage, aside capital costs, energy needs would increase 10-40%. The costs of storage and other system costs is another 30-60%. (WIKIPED1A - 09/12/2007)
700% reduction in the amount of Solar collection, and eliminating water use, makes Solar electricity vastly cheaper to generate, and more easily located close to the customer.
Geothermal sites can be 450 degrees cooler, making many more sites available, and much shallower drilling at known sites.
Designed and developed over many years by DaS Energy Pty Ltd Australia, this innovation in electric generation is now seeking a co-partnership with Power Generators.
QUOTE (DaS Energy+Dec 9 2007, 10:17 AM)
The greatest challenge to reducing Carbon emissions is the profit's, and Government revenue from Coal mining.
With world Coal being in demand like never before, invested resistance to less burnt Coal has never been greater than before.
Total horse pucky.
They don't burn coal to produce Govt revenue.
They burn coal to produce electricity.
They WON'T burn more coal than is needed to meet the DEMAND for electricity.
You want to decrease the amount of Coal burnt, then the FIRST step is to SIMPLY decrease the amount of electricity you USE.
Turn down the thermostat in the Winter and turn it up in the summer.
Insulate your house.
Insulate your house some more.
Buy high efficiency appliances even if they cost a bit more.
Convert to more efficient lighting and turn off lights not in use.
Switch to Solar hot water heating if possible.
Insulate your hot water heater (and lower the water temp to the lowest temp that meets your needs)
Switch to PV lights for outdoor lighting.
Recycle (particularly metals and plastics but especially aluminum)
Combine trips to reduce annual car mileage.
Work out of your home if possible, use Net-Meetings to reduce air travel.
Etc etc.
Arthur
With world Coal being in demand like never before, invested resistance to less burnt Coal has never been greater than before.
Total horse pucky.
They don't burn coal to produce Govt revenue.
They burn coal to produce electricity.
They WON'T burn more coal than is needed to meet the DEMAND for electricity.
You want to decrease the amount of Coal burnt, then the FIRST step is to SIMPLY decrease the amount of electricity you USE.
Turn down the thermostat in the Winter and turn it up in the summer.
Insulate your house.
Insulate your house some more.
Buy high efficiency appliances even if they cost a bit more.
Convert to more efficient lighting and turn off lights not in use.
Switch to Solar hot water heating if possible.
Insulate your hot water heater (and lower the water temp to the lowest temp that meets your needs)
Switch to PV lights for outdoor lighting.
Recycle (particularly metals and plastics but especially aluminum)
Combine trips to reduce annual car mileage.
Work out of your home if possible, use Net-Meetings to reduce air travel.
Etc etc.
Arthur
DaS Energy
>A 350 megawatt steam turbine needs 550 degree constant temperature, and each operating hour emits 540 tonne of Carbon and dissipates....
Was that with or with out scrubbers?
>A 350 megawatt steam turbine needs 550 degree constant temperature, and each operating hour emits 540 tonne of Carbon and dissipates....
Was that with or with out scrubbers?
Paul,
apologies for delay in reply computer decided to show some amazing tricks.
No scrubbers are used, just heated Co2 forces equally upon water going through the 90% efficient hydro turbine.
Cooling is tha same as done in the electric or absorption refrigerator.
Example of Carbon reduction, tarong power station Old Coal/steam fired 350 megawatt generator needs 550c, and evaporates 150 liters of water per second. Co2 needs 80c and no water.
Regards Peter
apologies for delay in reply computer decided to show some amazing tricks.
No scrubbers are used, just heated Co2 forces equally upon water going through the 90% efficient hydro turbine.
Cooling is tha same as done in the electric or absorption refrigerator.
Example of Carbon reduction, tarong power station Old Coal/steam fired 350 megawatt generator needs 550c, and evaporates 150 liters of water per second. Co2 needs 80c and no water.
Regards Peter
QUOTE (adoucette+Dec 9 2007, 03:42 PM)
Total horse pucky.
They don't burn coal to produce Govt revenue.
They burn coal to produce electricity.
They WON'T burn more coal than is needed to meet the DEMAND for electricity.
You want to decrease the amount of Coal burnt, then the FIRST step is to SIMPLY decrease the amount of electricity you USE.
Turn down the thermostat in the Winter and turn it up in the summer.
Insulate your house.
Insulate your house some more.
Buy high efficiency appliances even if they cost a bit more.
Convert to more efficient lighting and turn off lights not in use.
Switch to Solar hot water heating if possible.
Insulate your hot water heater (and lower the water temp to the lowest temp that meets your needs)
Switch to PV lights for outdoor lighting.
Recycle (particularly metals and plastics but especially aluminum)
Combine trips to reduce annual car mileage.
Work out of your home if possible, use Net-Meetings to reduce air travel.
Etc etc.
Arthur
Aurthur, Sorry about delay in reply @#* computer.
I agree much you said, they don't burn coal to produce Government revenue.
However the massive amount of revenue Government obtains from Coal being sold(and presumably burnt) is the a big player in the backbone of today's prosperity according to last past Government.
Regards Peter
They don't burn coal to produce Govt revenue.
They burn coal to produce electricity.
They WON'T burn more coal than is needed to meet the DEMAND for electricity.
You want to decrease the amount of Coal burnt, then the FIRST step is to SIMPLY decrease the amount of electricity you USE.
Turn down the thermostat in the Winter and turn it up in the summer.
Insulate your house.
Insulate your house some more.
Buy high efficiency appliances even if they cost a bit more.
Convert to more efficient lighting and turn off lights not in use.
Switch to Solar hot water heating if possible.
Insulate your hot water heater (and lower the water temp to the lowest temp that meets your needs)
Switch to PV lights for outdoor lighting.
Recycle (particularly metals and plastics but especially aluminum)
Combine trips to reduce annual car mileage.
Work out of your home if possible, use Net-Meetings to reduce air travel.
Etc etc.
Arthur
Aurthur, Sorry about delay in reply @#* computer.
I agree much you said, they don't burn coal to produce Government revenue.
However the massive amount of revenue Government obtains from Coal being sold(and presumably burnt) is the a big player in the backbone of today's prosperity according to last past Government.
Regards Peter
Arvel Wright built push bikes for a living.
He is remembered for making Boeing Air Bus prototype.
By an interest in mathematics flight was achieved.
Carbon reduction can occur with our power stations converting their fuel process.
Steam turbines require (Coal-Carbon) heat to create the fuel electricity.
Exemplification,
Quantities in cylinder unit for ease of translation.
A Coal cylinder of 600c Steam energy driving a 350 Megawatt turbine.
45% of Steam energy converts into turbine energy.
That turbine energy powers the electrolysis fuel generator.
80% of electrolysis converts into Hydrogen fuel.
Leaving a 30% conversion rate all things accounted.
10 cylinders of Carbon fuel each 600c for electrolysis.
10 cylinders of 600c energy create 3 cylinders of Hydrogen 3000c each.
Total energy x 3 is 9000c or 15 split cylinders of 600c energy.
10 cylinder hydrogen 600c energy makes 3 cylinders hydrogen 3000c each.
3 cylinders hydrogen split into 15 original cylinders of 600c.
Profit 5 cylinder 600c energy.
Repeating in perpetual.
No Carbon emission
is no capture costs.Self made fuel cuts costs.
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