uba and Trippy have been slogging it out large-time ..... please indicate your choice of who's right as their argument will undoubtedly battle on for another zillion geologic periods.
Hey,
uba and Trippy have been slogging it out large-time ..... please indicate your choice of who's right as their argument will undoubtedly battle on for another zillion geologic periods.
uba and Trippy have been slogging it out large-time ..... please indicate your choice of who's right as their argument will undoubtedly battle on for another zillion geologic periods.
No, their debate will rage on until the LHC is fired up, and after it becomes apparent that everything is ok, Uba will become strangely silent on the matter.
When the margin of votes = 10 we'll declare a winner and if the loser continues to spout 'we'll kick him up the dirtbox' FM style.
Hey, this poll did not take the proper vote, before I voted it said that Uba had one vote, then I voted towards it and it stilol says one, and the other side still has the same number of votes, what gives?
QUOTE (Ebenonce+Mar 3 2008, 06:17 PM)
Hey, this poll did not take the proper vote, before I voted it said that Uba had one vote, then I voted towards it and it stilol says one, and the other side still has the same number of votes, what gives?
Ubavontuba is a moderator, you fool! You've made him angry now...
Ubavontuba is a moderator, you fool! You've made him angry now...
QUOTE (Ebenonce+Mar 4 2008, 12:17 PM)
Hey, this poll did not take the proper vote, before I voted it said that Uba had one vote, then I voted towards it and it stilol says one, and the other side still has the same number of votes, what gives?
It's an IQ test
It's an IQ test
There's nothing to be afraid of by the LHC.
Q: What does the LHC do?
A: It smashes particles together at high speeds.
Q: Will it create a black hole?
A: Maybe.
Q: OMG What if Hawking Radiation doesn't allow it to evaporate?????!!!!!
A: Who cares... particles smash into other particles at these same speeds in the upper atmosphere all the time. Do they create black holes? Maybe. If they do, they don't affect us.
The LHC collisions will be no different from what happens in our atmosphere every single day. Only that we will be able to monitor it.
Q: What does the LHC do?
A: It smashes particles together at high speeds.
Q: Will it create a black hole?
A: Maybe.
Q: OMG What if Hawking Radiation doesn't allow it to evaporate?????!!!!!
A: Who cares... particles smash into other particles at these same speeds in the upper atmosphere all the time. Do they create black holes? Maybe. If they do, they don't affect us.
The LHC collisions will be no different from what happens in our atmosphere every single day. Only that we will be able to monitor it.
QUOTE (Latrosicarius+Mar 6 2008, 02:49 PM)
Q: OMG What if Hawking Radiation doesn't allow it to evaporate?????!!!!!
A: Who cares... particles smash into other particles at these same speeds in the upper atmosphere all the time. Do they create black holes? Maybe. If they do, they don't affect us.
I agree because The Hydrogen Bomb nuclear tests would have had particles smashing together with even greater implosive energy but we are all still here and haven't collapsed disappearing into our global butt
A: Who cares... particles smash into other particles at these same speeds in the upper atmosphere all the time. Do they create black holes? Maybe. If they do, they don't affect us.
I agree because The Hydrogen Bomb nuclear tests would have had particles smashing together with even greater implosive energy but we are all still here and haven't collapsed disappearing into our global butt
Ebenonce - You can't look at the vote without voting with a null vote, which uses up your one chance to vote. Thus the software rejected you "attempt to vote twice" as illegal even if you meant it as "i'll look at how this poll is going and then decide to vote."
QUOTE (rpenner+Mar 6 2008, 02:27 PM)
"i'll look at how this poll is going and then decide to vote."
This is a problem with society in general. The herd effect a.k.a. "group think" completely drives many peoples' decisions.
It's one reason polls and "the media" have so much influence over voters--but I wont get into a political discussion--that's just one example.
It's also the reason behind proverbial lemmings following each other off a cliff: "How could everybody else be wrong??? I must be wrong... I'll follow."
People are like mindless sheep half the time, unable to come up with an opinion individually.
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This is a problem with society in general. The herd effect a.k.a. "group think" completely drives many peoples' decisions.
It's one reason polls and "the media" have so much influence over voters--but I wont get into a political discussion--that's just one example.
It's also the reason behind proverbial lemmings following each other off a cliff: "How could everybody else be wrong??? I must be wrong... I'll follow."
People are like mindless sheep half the time, unable to come up with an opinion individually.
.
But the way the software is, you can't follow (or go against) the consensus of a poll in progress. To look at the poll is to lock yourself out from future voting in the poll.
Wow... I'm flattered.
We now have a definitive winner! - by a margin of 11 votes I declare Trippy to be the champion of this debate.
Now according to the rules if uba' spouts-off any more piffle he'll suffer severe assbooting of the FM variety, better still can I urge everyone to report his continued mindless blatherings to the mod's.
Now according to the rules if uba' spouts-off any more piffle he'll suffer severe assbooting of the FM variety, better still can I urge everyone to report his continued mindless blatherings to the mod's.
QUOTE (Username+Mar 7 2008, 08:02 PM)
We now have a definitive winner! - by a margin of 11 votes I declare Trippy to be the champion of this debate.
Now according to the rules if uba' spouts-off any more piffle he'll suffer severe assbooting of the FM variety, better still can I urge everyone to report his continued mindless blatherings to the mod's.
No doubt in spite of the fact that the poll was setup without my knowing, in fact I didn't find out about it until after the victory condition had been met - Ubavontuba will find a reason to dispute it, although I suspect that the vote for hime being correct may well have been from him.
Now according to the rules if uba' spouts-off any more piffle he'll suffer severe assbooting of the FM variety, better still can I urge everyone to report his continued mindless blatherings to the mod's.
No doubt in spite of the fact that the poll was setup without my knowing, in fact I didn't find out about it until after the victory condition had been met - Ubavontuba will find a reason to dispute it, although I suspect that the vote for hime being correct may well have been from him.
QUOTE (Latrosicarius+Mar 7 2008, 10:51 AM)
This is a problem with society in general. The herd effect a.k.a. "group think" completely drives many peoples' decisions.
It's one reason polls and "the media" have so much influence over voters--but I wont get into a political discussion--that's just one example.
It's also the reason behind proverbial lemmings following each other off a cliff: "How could everybody else be wrong??? I must be wrong... I'll follow."
People are like mindless sheep half the time, unable to come up with an opinion individually.
.
As someone who has studied statistics and deals with them on a daily basis, I can tell you that the reality of polls and surveys is a lot more complicated then anything that has been suggested.
The art of asking questions without being leading is very difficult - to the point where phone surveyours are required in audit processes to randomize the order that certain options are presented to the target population, because the order options are presented in can introduce a form of bias (Obviously not an issue here as it should work in Ubavontubas favour).
It's one reason polls and "the media" have so much influence over voters--but I wont get into a political discussion--that's just one example.
It's also the reason behind proverbial lemmings following each other off a cliff: "How could everybody else be wrong??? I must be wrong... I'll follow."
People are like mindless sheep half the time, unable to come up with an opinion individually.
.
As someone who has studied statistics and deals with them on a daily basis, I can tell you that the reality of polls and surveys is a lot more complicated then anything that has been suggested.
The art of asking questions without being leading is very difficult - to the point where phone surveyours are required in audit processes to randomize the order that certain options are presented to the target population, because the order options are presented in can introduce a form of bias (Obviously not an issue here as it should work in Ubavontubas favour).
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 7 2008, 08:39 AM)
No doubt in spite of the fact that the poll was setup without my knowing, in fact I didn't find out about it until after the victory condition had been met - Ubavontuba will find a reason to dispute it, although I suspect that the vote for hime being correct may well have been from him.
Just to prove your contention false, I went ahead and voted for myself. I also believe that Ebenonce intended to vote for me, but his unfamiliarity with the polling process prevented it.
How many people here think that a popular opinion poll is the correct application of the scientific method? Isn't this how the "science" of Intelligent Design got started?
Just to prove your contention false, I went ahead and voted for myself. I also believe that Ebenonce intended to vote for me, but his unfamiliarity with the polling process prevented it.
How many people here think that a popular opinion poll is the correct application of the scientific method? Isn't this how the "science" of Intelligent Design got started?
QUOTE (ubavontuba+Mar 7 2008, 10:07 PM)
Just to prove your contention false, I went ahead and voted for myself. I also believe that Ebenonce intended to vote for me, but his unfamiliarity with the polling process prevented it.
It seems to me that it was intimated in his post that that was only because you had the lower score.
Trust you to try and deny any validity that this might have.
It seems to me that it was intimated in his post that that was only because you had the lower score.
Trust you to try and deny any validity that this might have.
I just realized how futile all of this is.
I did a search through Alphanumerics posts looking for a reference and realized that Ubavontuba's been spouting the same misconceptions since July 2006.
Inspite of the arguments, derivations and calculations that have been handed to him on a silver platter, and the numerous ways his various arguments have been shown to be wrong.
No doubt he will try to argue that it's an indication of a weak argument, but it seems to me that it's more an indication of wrong headedness, and a weak mind.
I did a search through Alphanumerics posts looking for a reference and realized that Ubavontuba's been spouting the same misconceptions since July 2006.
Inspite of the arguments, derivations and calculations that have been handed to him on a silver platter, and the numerous ways his various arguments have been shown to be wrong.
No doubt he will try to argue that it's an indication of a weak argument, but it seems to me that it's more an indication of wrong headedness, and a weak mind.
QUOTE (ubavontuba+Mar 7 2008, 04:07 AM)
How many people here think that a popular opinion poll is the correct application of the scientific method?
While I agree with Trippy that the LHC will not cause disaster, I do so because of the reasons I (and others) have stated, not because of the poll.
This thread is kind of useless... ubavontuba is correct that a poll doesn't make something correct or incorrect.
While I agree with Trippy that the LHC will not cause disaster, I do so because of the reasons I (and others) have stated, not because of the poll.
This thread is kind of useless... ubavontuba is correct that a poll doesn't make something correct or incorrect.
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 7 2008, 03:50 AM)
As someone who has studied statistics and deals with them on a daily basis, I can tell you that the reality of polls and surveys is a lot more complicated then anything that has been suggested.
The art of asking questions without being leading is very difficult - to the point where phone surveyours are required in audit processes to randomize the order that certain options are presented to the target population, because the order options are presented in can introduce a form of bias (Obviously not an issue here as it should work in Ubavontubas favour).
I just love to participate in survey questionnaires when the interviewer is live! By the time I'm done, they don't even know what they've asked or had answered.
I had one woman laughing so hard she couldn't finish her list!
The art of asking questions without being leading is very difficult - to the point where phone surveyours are required in audit processes to randomize the order that certain options are presented to the target population, because the order options are presented in can introduce a form of bias (Obviously not an issue here as it should work in Ubavontubas favour).
I just love to participate in survey questionnaires when the interviewer is live! By the time I'm done, they don't even know what they've asked or had answered.
I had one woman laughing so hard she couldn't finish her list!
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 7 2008, 03:50 AM)
As someone who has studied statistics and deals with them on a daily basis, I can tell you that the reality of polls and surveys is a lot more complicated then anything that has been suggested.
The art of asking questions without being leading is very difficult - to the point where phone surveyours are required in audit processes to randomize the order that certain options are presented to the target population, because the order options are presented in can introduce a form of bias (Obviously not an issue here as it should work in Ubavontubas favour).
You should be familiar with Frank Luntz then, that walking pile of feces.
The art of asking questions without being leading is very difficult - to the point where phone surveyours are required in audit processes to randomize the order that certain options are presented to the target population, because the order options are presented in can introduce a form of bias (Obviously not an issue here as it should work in Ubavontubas favour).
You should be familiar with Frank Luntz then, that walking pile of feces.
QUOTE (Latrosicarius+Mar 8 2008, 05:17 AM)
While I agree with Trippy that the LHC will not cause disaster, I do so because of the reasons I (and others) have stated, not because of the poll.
This thread is kind of useless... ubavontuba is correct that a poll doesn't make something correct or incorrect.
You mean aside from demonstrating - for example, who's prsented the stronger argument?
This thread is kind of useless... ubavontuba is correct that a poll doesn't make something correct or incorrect.
You mean aside from demonstrating - for example, who's prsented the stronger argument?
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 7 2008, 10:07 PM)
You mean aside from demonstrating - for example, who's prsented the stronger argument?
You don't mean "stonger argument," but rather, "better salesmanship."
You don't mean "stonger argument," but rather, "better salesmanship."
QUOTE (ubavontuba+)
You don't mean "stonger argument," but rather, "better salesmanship."
Keep telling yourself that. By the way, thanks for the neg
Keep telling yourself that. By the way, thanks for the neg
QUOTE (ubavontuba+Mar 9 2008, 12:14 PM)
You don't mean "stonger argument," but rather, "better salesmanship."
As TheDoc says.
Just keep telling yourself that.
As TheDoc says.
Just keep telling yourself that.
My vote to ubavontuba due to her/his constructive efforts and persistence to enlighten those who are so blindly immersed in the illusions of the current 'relativist' science. Efforts which, from my perspective, are an example of the higher and true Scientific spirit that must be cherished.
My layman position on this issue may be found at the following post:
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=265443
Best regards.
My layman position on this issue may be found at the following post:
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=265443
Best regards.
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 7 2008, 05:07 PM)
You mean aside from demonstrating - for example, who's prsented the stronger argument?
I don't know because I wasn't part of the previous thread, and the poll questions don't state the arguments for each choice.
I don't know because I wasn't part of the previous thread, and the poll questions don't state the arguments for each choice.
QUOTE (Latrosicarius+Mar 22 2008, 12:41 PM)
I don't know because I wasn't part of the previous thread, and the poll questions don't state the arguments for each choice.
That's because there's at least three threads, with references to two others.
That's because there's at least three threads, with references to two others.
The winner should be decided when we do, or do not start sliding in the direction of Switzerland when they fire the LHC up.
Seeing I regard micro black holes as imaginative nonsense then that makes my vote easy.
But that includes Higgs Bosons. I don't believe they exist.
I'm not worried. Good luck LHC.
But that includes Higgs Bosons. I don't believe they exist.
I'm not worried. Good luck LHC.
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