Consciousness As A Fourth Dimension of Space
Material objects are three-dimensional. We can describe a form of a material object with three coordinates: x,y,z.
Material objects exist into space and at the same time space exists also inside of the material objects. In the same way two-dimensional objects exist into three-dimensional Euclid space.
This means that cosmic space into which matter exists is four-dimensional.
What is the fourth dimension ?
It is time !?
In several post here I show that time can be understood as a material change (motion) into space. Space itself is a-temporal, time does not run into space on its own. Einstein "space-time" is only a math model that does not exist into the physical universe.
We see here that matter is three-dimensional and space is four-dimensional. So fourth dimension is real, it has some component that is existing into the universe.
I came to my mind that fourth-dimension of space is consciousness. Idea is based on my personal experience that consciousness is non-local, it does not exists into brain, it expands into whole space. This experience is not only mine, it is known by thousands of meditators.
Science should not ignore that. Penrose idea that consciousness is the result of quantum gravity acting on the neurons of the brain must be close to the real situation as gravity is carried by the "curvature-density" of the space itself.
"from space-time" to "space-consciousness"
Let say that consciousness is a fourth dimension of space. From this point of view evolution of life is a universal process from "third" to the "fourth" dimension. Life has been developing all over the universe and we know they are many planets similar to the planet earth. Evolution of life is a consistent part of cosmic dynamics into which matter evolves towards consciousness.
So what is the point to be "Christian", Muslim or Jewish ?
We are all part of a wide universal process into which matter develops into consciousness.
I think only science that will include consciousness can lead mankind out of the chaos we are into.
QUOTE (amrit+Aug 30 2006, 12:41 PM)
Consciousness As A Fourth Dimension of Space
I don't think, the human kind consciousness has something to do with physical reality, which should exist a long time before the human kind.
I don't think, the human kind consciousness has something to do with physical reality, which should exist a long time before the human kind.
This is more of a philosophical argument than a physics discussion, it is reminiscent of the old question - if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Now we are asking, "when there was no one to observe the universe, was it there?"
The disconcerting thing about these questions is that in quantum mechanics the observer has a profound effect on many results.
The disconcerting thing about these questions is that in quantum mechanics the observer has a profound effect on many results.
zephir "before" and "after" is only into your mind only and not into the universe
and consciousness is far beyond the mind
consciousness is "watching" "witnessing" the mind
dennis it is not philosophical discussion
consciousness is a phenomena that need to be integrated into theoretical physics
according to my understanding consciousness is a "basic frequency" of QS that build up cosmic space
QS have a size of Planck and change their electrical charge from positive to negative into Planck time, this so called "basic frequency" is consciousness itself
CONSCİOUSNESS İS A BASİC FREQUENCY OF SPACE
and consciousness is far beyond the mind
consciousness is "watching" "witnessing" the mind
dennis it is not philosophical discussion
consciousness is a phenomena that need to be integrated into theoretical physics
according to my understanding consciousness is a "basic frequency" of QS that build up cosmic space
QS have a size of Planck and change their electrical charge from positive to negative into Planck time, this so called "basic frequency" is consciousness itself
CONSCİOUSNESS İS A BASİC FREQUENCY OF SPACE
I agree that this is no longer a philosophical question.
I agree that intelligence or consciousness or life is one of the defining characteristics of our Universe.
In terms of its dimensional relationship I would suggest that intelligence is the predecessor of the physical universe and not an evolutionary result.
Life or life force is the initial driving animation behind all other forces and systems within our universe.
First there was a life force or initial spark or the first all encompassing observer even for the simple fact that a Universe without any intelligence to recognize its existence ( in some manner ) is completely meaningless.
The three spatial dimensions define our 3-dimensional world
The fourth dimension imparts animation or time or movement or change to these three dimensions
The fifth dimension is the relative relation of the four dimensional Universe and the Intelligence which can interact and observe this universe.
In fact the recent 11 dimensional structure of the Universe is beginning to define these very concepts.
5 dimensions on one side which is life and the Universe we are aware of ( the Yin )
5 dimensions on an opposite polarity which could be considered the Universe we occupy in death or an opposite but equal Universe to the physical one of which we are aware ( the yang )
1 dimension which is above and beyond the first 10 within which the first ten exist and which defines the relationship of each dimension to the others ( the circle surrounding the yin/yang )
Some pretty far out ideas but people are beginning to see that physics and science is indeed beginning to need a scientific explanation for " an observer "
But how do you mathematically define life, intelligence or consciousness?
I agree that intelligence or consciousness or life is one of the defining characteristics of our Universe.
In terms of its dimensional relationship I would suggest that intelligence is the predecessor of the physical universe and not an evolutionary result.
Life or life force is the initial driving animation behind all other forces and systems within our universe.
First there was a life force or initial spark or the first all encompassing observer even for the simple fact that a Universe without any intelligence to recognize its existence ( in some manner ) is completely meaningless.
The three spatial dimensions define our 3-dimensional world
The fourth dimension imparts animation or time or movement or change to these three dimensions
The fifth dimension is the relative relation of the four dimensional Universe and the Intelligence which can interact and observe this universe.
In fact the recent 11 dimensional structure of the Universe is beginning to define these very concepts.
5 dimensions on one side which is life and the Universe we are aware of ( the Yin )
5 dimensions on an opposite polarity which could be considered the Universe we occupy in death or an opposite but equal Universe to the physical one of which we are aware ( the yang )
1 dimension which is above and beyond the first 10 within which the first ten exist and which defines the relationship of each dimension to the others ( the circle surrounding the yin/yang )
Some pretty far out ideas but people are beginning to see that physics and science is indeed beginning to need a scientific explanation for " an observer "
But how do you mathematically define life, intelligence or consciousness?
QUOTE (Dennis+Aug 30 2006, 11:38 AM)
Now we are asking, "when there was no one to observe the universe, was it there?"
The disconcerting thing about these questions is that in quantum mechanics the observer has a profound effect on many results.
before there were any observers in the universe, i say the universe was indeed there. we have evidence to show that time had passed and the universe was growing long before we were ever around. even if there were aliens before us, it seems to me life would not have been present in the beginning.
i understand that in quantum theory, observers take roles upon reality just by being present. but really, i just dont understand how whoever the hell came up with this. i think it may have been schrodinger with his cat that was dead and alive in a box at the same time. i made this same post but noone wanted to reply to it, but it would be cool if someone could help me understand the concept of singularity.
and sorry, i know this had little if anything to do with the post.
The disconcerting thing about these questions is that in quantum mechanics the observer has a profound effect on many results.
before there were any observers in the universe, i say the universe was indeed there. we have evidence to show that time had passed and the universe was growing long before we were ever around. even if there were aliens before us, it seems to me life would not have been present in the beginning.
i understand that in quantum theory, observers take roles upon reality just by being present. but really, i just dont understand how whoever the hell came up with this. i think it may have been schrodinger with his cat that was dead and alive in a box at the same time. i made this same post but noone wanted to reply to it, but it would be cool if someone could help me understand the concept of singularity.
and sorry, i know this had little if anything to do with the post.
there was no creation of the universe
there was no beginning
universe is a system in a permanent dynamic equilibrium
there was no beginning
universe is a system in a permanent dynamic equilibrium
The generally accepted model of the universe is known as the “Big Bang” theory, but Scientists know it as the ΛCDM model. The present standard cosmology based on General Relativity (GR) where ’Λ’ (Lambda) refers to the dark energy, or the cosmological constant, and ’CDM’ to the cold dark matter that are believed to pervade the universe. The consensus is that the detailed observational verification of this ΛCDM model, in which the mass of the universe consists of 23 per cent dark matter, 73 per cent dark energy and just 4 per cent ordinary matter, is firmly established and there is little purpose in exploring possible alternatives.
In this model the universe was created less than 15 billion years ago, so science now supports the Biblical concept of creation, I wonder if we will come to accept the eschatological view as well?
In this model the universe was created less than 15 billion years ago, so science now supports the Biblical concept of creation, I wonder if we will come to accept the eschatological view as well?
bib bang is out of date
see posts on "physics news"
see posts on "physics news"
QUOTE (amrit+Aug 30 2006, 08:14 PM)
zephir "before" and "after" is only into your mind only and not into the universe.
Amrit, I'm very sorry, your father is dead - but please, try to face it.
You'll never see him again and this is a physical reality..
Amrit, I'm very sorry, your father is dead - but please, try to face it.
You'll never see him again and this is a physical reality..
zephir my father is alive as far as i know
from the human perspective father is born before the sun
but it is so only for us humans
in the universe there is no after and no before
the stream of material change (time) into a-temporal space is continuous
universe has no beginning and no end
so in the universe there is no "after" and no "before"
we have to go "beyond" the human temporal experience in physics
as physics has to be free of "subjective factors"
"after and before" are human inventions, they are subjective
and physics is and will be more and more "objective science"
but that you mix me with all this guys which says that time is an illusion (Barbour, Dennis and others) is NOT OK
for me time is real
time is material change into a-temporal space
from the human perspective father is born before the sun
but it is so only for us humans
in the universe there is no after and no before
the stream of material change (time) into a-temporal space is continuous
universe has no beginning and no end
so in the universe there is no "after" and no "before"
we have to go "beyond" the human temporal experience in physics
as physics has to be free of "subjective factors"
"after and before" are human inventions, they are subjective
and physics is and will be more and more "objective science"
but that you mix me with all this guys which says that time is an illusion (Barbour, Dennis and others) is NOT OK
for me time is real
time is material change into a-temporal space
QUOTE (amrit+Sep 2 2006, 07:23 PM)
zephir my father is alive as far as i know
Well, at least some good new from you...
Well, at least some good new from you...
sense for humor is a great force into scientific reserch
human experience of the universe is through the mind
past, present and future are of the mind
my concept of time goes beyond the mind
it sees universe directly as it is
"The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." Albert Einstein
I'm bringing into life Einstein vision that he itself did not understand well
the idea of space-time has blocked development of physics for 100 years
with the concept
time is material change into a-temporal space
firs gravity will be resolved finally
research of GW will be given up in a 10 years
second science will absorb religion
in a 100 years all religions will be dead
right understanding of time leads to the direct experience of the universe
god = universe
universe = god
past, present and future are of the mind
my concept of time goes beyond the mind
it sees universe directly as it is
"The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." Albert Einstein
I'm bringing into life Einstein vision that he itself did not understand well
the idea of space-time has blocked development of physics for 100 years
with the concept
time is material change into a-temporal space
firs gravity will be resolved finally
research of GW will be given up in a 10 years
second science will absorb religion
in a 100 years all religions will be dead
right understanding of time leads to the direct experience of the universe
god = universe
universe = god
QUOTE (amrit+Sep 3 2006, 08:55 AM)
research of GW will be given up in a 10 years
second science will absorb religion
in a 100 years all religions will be dead
OK - but consider, the past, present and future are just "of the mind"...
second science will absorb religion
in a 100 years all religions will be dead
OK - but consider, the past, present and future are just "of the mind"...
QUOTE (amrit+Sep 3 2006, 05:55 AM)
research of GW will be given up in a 10 years
A-temporal Space insight I share with you to some extent. It is an old "methaphysical" insight but even Newton's "sensorium dei", Descartes space vorticesa for sure, alchemical "quinta essentia", samkhyam akasa, recently Tewari's picture etc.
There are transversal GEM waves and experiments are in great progres! Namely, S-1 gravyohoton exists with realistic proper mass. S-2 tensorial wave/particle is nonexistant. And gravity is not curvature/metric of space at all. It is only a part of one nonlinear quantum wave stereodynamics.
Linear vector electrogravity is at the direct, now directly observable surface of phenomena. Gravity, light and spin are deeply interconnected from the very beginning. Great Change. And Divine Science only could return itself into the God's Arms! Logos/Word as first Vibration (OM-AUM-RAM)
A-temporal Space insight I share with you to some extent. It is an old "methaphysical" insight but even Newton's "sensorium dei", Descartes space vorticesa for sure, alchemical "quinta essentia", samkhyam akasa, recently Tewari's picture etc.
There are transversal GEM waves and experiments are in great progres! Namely, S-1 gravyohoton exists with realistic proper mass. S-2 tensorial wave/particle is nonexistant. And gravity is not curvature/metric of space at all. It is only a part of one nonlinear quantum wave stereodynamics.
Linear vector electrogravity is at the direct, now directly observable surface of phenomena. Gravity, light and spin are deeply interconnected from the very beginning. Great Change. And Divine Science only could return itself into the God's Arms! Logos/Word as first Vibration (OM-AUM-RAM)
hi Turanyanin
i read some of your work and is very interesting, enthusiastic
hope that Fiscaletti contact you already
yours amrit
PS
would be nice you register in order to communicate directly
i read some of your work and is very interesting, enthusiastic
hope that Fiscaletti contact you already
yours amrit
PS
would be nice you register in order to communicate directly
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