Is America a nation at risk?
In 1983, in its landmark report A Nation at Risk, the National Commission on Excellence in Education warned:
"Many 17-year-olds do not possess the 'higher-order' intellectual skills we should expect of them. Nearly 40 percent cannot draw inferences from written material; only one-fifth can write a persuasive essay; and only one-third can solve a mathematics problem requiring several steps."
“The religious believer assigns dignity to whatever his religion holds sacred—a set of moral laws, a way of life, or particular objects of worship. He grows angry when the dignity of what he holds sacred is violated.” Quote from The End of History and the Last Man.
To what does the non believer assign dignity? If the non believer does not assign dignity to rationality, upon what foundation does s/he stand? If the non believer does depend upon rationality for dignity how is it possible that so few know anything about rationality?
Our schools and colleges are beginning to introduce our young people to the domain of knowledge called Critical Thinking. CT (Critical Thinking) is taught because our educators have begun to recognize that teaching a young person what to think is not sufficient for the citizens of a democracy in an age of high technology. CT is an attempt to teach young people how to think. Like the adage about giving a man a fish versus teaching him how to fish, a youngster who knows how to think is prepared for a lifetime rather than for a day.
What about today’s adult? Today’s adult was educated in a time when schools and colleges never gave universal instruction in the art and science of thinking—rationality.
If today’s adult wishes to learn CT s/he must learn it on their own nickel. I think a good read to begin with is this one:
Bertrand Russell on Critical Thinking
“ABSTRACT: The ideal of critical thinking is a central one in Russell's philosophy, though this is not yet generally recognized in the literature on critical thinking. For Russell, the ideal is embedded in the fabric of philosophy, science, liberalism and rationality, and this paper reconstructs Russell's account, which is scattered throughout numerous papers and books. It appears that he has developed a rich conception, involving a complex set of skills, dispositions and attitudes, which together delineate a virtue which has both intellectual and moral aspects. It is a view which is rooted in Russell's epistemological conviction that knowledge is difficult but not impossible to attain, and in his ethical conviction that freedom and independence in inquiry are vital. Russell's account anticipates many of the insights to be found in the recent critical thinking literature, and his views on critical thinking are of enormous importance in understanding the nature of educational aims. Moreover, it is argued that Russell manages to avoid many of the objections which have been raised against recent accounts. With respect to impartiality, thinking for oneself, the importance of feelings and relational skills, the connection with action, and the problem of generalizability, Russell shows a deep understanding of problems and issues which have been at the forefront of recent debate.”
http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Educ/EducHare.htm
Once upon a long time ago.... now its just a dog eat dog capitalist society.
QUOTE (Murdoc+Jul 11 2009, 10:57 PM)
Once upon a long time ago.... now its just a dog eat dog capitalist society.
Correct.
Capitalism in America is little more than Feudalism in disguise.
Of course, we don't normally call them "lords" and "ladies", but its the same thing.
CEO = "Lords and ladies"
Everyone else = "Serfs"
People are sold on the "free market" the same way used cars are sold. You have a "car fax report" for yourself called a "resume", and your "lord" *ahem* employer knows more information about you than you know about yourself. Its true.
American capitalists have figured out that "true" slavery doesn't work, because the slaves know they are slaves. But the way to have a slave with none of the drawbacks is to simply don't tell them they are slaves, and give them just enough "freedoms" and "rights" to convince them they aren't slaves.
In this economic model, currency is not a means of fair exchange. It is simply a means by which the wealthy and powerful "aristocracy" keep everyone else under their control.
Correct.
Capitalism in America is little more than Feudalism in disguise.
Of course, we don't normally call them "lords" and "ladies", but its the same thing.
CEO = "Lords and ladies"
Everyone else = "Serfs"
People are sold on the "free market" the same way used cars are sold. You have a "car fax report" for yourself called a "resume", and your "lord" *ahem* employer knows more information about you than you know about yourself. Its true.
American capitalists have figured out that "true" slavery doesn't work, because the slaves know they are slaves. But the way to have a slave with none of the drawbacks is to simply don't tell them they are slaves, and give them just enough "freedoms" and "rights" to convince them they aren't slaves.
In this economic model, currency is not a means of fair exchange. It is simply a means by which the wealthy and powerful "aristocracy" keep everyone else under their control.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Jul 30 2009, 11:36 AM)
Capitalism in America is little more than Feudalism in disguise.
Of course, we don't normally call them "lords" and "ladies", but its the same thing.
CEO = "Lords and ladies"
Everyone else = "Serfs"
People are sold on the "free market" the same way used cars are sold. You have a "car fax report" for yourself called a "resume", and your "lord" *ahem* employer knows more information about you than you know about yourself. Its true.
American capitalists have figured out that "true" slavery doesn't work, because the slaves know they are slaves. But the way to have a slave with none of the drawbacks is to simply don't tell them they are slaves, and give them just enough "freedoms" and "rights" to convince them they aren't slaves.
In this economic model, currency is not a means of fair exchange. It is simply a means by which the wealthy and powerful "aristocracy" keep everyone else under their control.
A lot of whining and no solutions. What system would you propose that does not resemble feudalism?
Of course, we don't normally call them "lords" and "ladies", but its the same thing.
CEO = "Lords and ladies"
Everyone else = "Serfs"
People are sold on the "free market" the same way used cars are sold. You have a "car fax report" for yourself called a "resume", and your "lord" *ahem* employer knows more information about you than you know about yourself. Its true.
American capitalists have figured out that "true" slavery doesn't work, because the slaves know they are slaves. But the way to have a slave with none of the drawbacks is to simply don't tell them they are slaves, and give them just enough "freedoms" and "rights" to convince them they aren't slaves.
In this economic model, currency is not a means of fair exchange. It is simply a means by which the wealthy and powerful "aristocracy" keep everyone else under their control.
A lot of whining and no solutions. What system would you propose that does not resemble feudalism?
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jul 30 2009, 11:52 AM)
A lot of whining and no solutions. What system would you propose that does not resemble feudalism?
What I would propose is something that has already been proposed before.
Increasing minimum wages does not work, because it simply causes inflation, and eventually the problem is exactly the same, but just using bigger numbers.
That is, give a person a minimum wage hike from $5 to $10, and you just double the amount of money in circulation, but then the CEOs and banks have double the money and everything costs twice as much,etc.
The solution I propose is to cap the salary of CEOs relative to their own employees. There are some CEOs in this country who make nearly 10000 times as much money anually as their average employee. Now I don't know what you think about this, but no human being is realistically worth that much more than the next. Not even a Solomon would be worth 10000 times the income of his employees, or even 1000, I should think.
Obviously, we don't have any Solomons in America today, else we wouldn't be trillions of dollars in debt at every level of government ranging from local school board, city, county, state, federal. All run a deficit, all run absurd debts. So obviously nobody in business or government deserves even a fraction of the income level they currently have, because they are clearly incompetent.
Nobody needs 10 houses and 50 cars and a private jet, etc. nor should they even have a right to have them, because this is not "their" planet. Those are goods and resources that ultimately belong to "humanity," and not a handful of often corrupt, certainly overpaid individuals. They did not "earn" those things through fair trade. They got them by over-charging consumers, and under-paying employees.
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If the salary is capped relative to employee salary, then if the CEO wants more money, he must pay his employees more, instead of just firing them and re-hiring someone else at a lower rate.
This is the only fair way to do things that still rewards success, but doesn't allow feudalism to continue to masquerade as freedom.
What I would propose is something that has already been proposed before.
Increasing minimum wages does not work, because it simply causes inflation, and eventually the problem is exactly the same, but just using bigger numbers.
That is, give a person a minimum wage hike from $5 to $10, and you just double the amount of money in circulation, but then the CEOs and banks have double the money and everything costs twice as much,etc.
The solution I propose is to cap the salary of CEOs relative to their own employees. There are some CEOs in this country who make nearly 10000 times as much money anually as their average employee. Now I don't know what you think about this, but no human being is realistically worth that much more than the next. Not even a Solomon would be worth 10000 times the income of his employees, or even 1000, I should think.
Obviously, we don't have any Solomons in America today, else we wouldn't be trillions of dollars in debt at every level of government ranging from local school board, city, county, state, federal. All run a deficit, all run absurd debts. So obviously nobody in business or government deserves even a fraction of the income level they currently have, because they are clearly incompetent.
Nobody needs 10 houses and 50 cars and a private jet, etc. nor should they even have a right to have them, because this is not "their" planet. Those are goods and resources that ultimately belong to "humanity," and not a handful of often corrupt, certainly overpaid individuals. They did not "earn" those things through fair trade. They got them by over-charging consumers, and under-paying employees.
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If the salary is capped relative to employee salary, then if the CEO wants more money, he must pay his employees more, instead of just firing them and re-hiring someone else at a lower rate.
This is the only fair way to do things that still rewards success, but doesn't allow feudalism to continue to masquerade as freedom.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Jul 30 2009, 12:13 PM)
The solution I propose is to cap the salary of CEOs relative to their own employees. There are some CEOs in this country who make nearly 10000 times as much money anually as their average employee. Now I don't know what you think about this, but no human being is realistically worth that much more than the next. Not even a Solomon would be worth 10000 times the income of his employees, or even 1000, I should think.
This would of course mean that big companies with a low average wage would pay CEO's less than small companies with a higher average wage.
I'm not saying that it's a bad idea, but it requires a little more thought.
This would of course mean that big companies with a low average wage would pay CEO's less than small companies with a higher average wage.
I'm not saying that it's a bad idea, but it requires a little more thought.
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Jul 30 2009, 11:36 AM)
Correct.
Good god, your ignorance knows no bounds...
Explain small businesses and independent contractors in that light, please...
Did you know that the vast majority of the American economy is based on small businesses and independent contractors? No, of course not.
Explain small businesses and independent contractors in that light, please...
Did you know that the vast majority of the American economy is based on small businesses and independent contractors? No, of course not.
People are sold on the "free market" the same way used cars are sold. You have a "car fax report" for yourself called a "resume", and your "lord" *ahem* employer knows more information about you than you know about yourself. Its true.
Have you ever even heard of this thing called a "job interview"? It exists because your resume says so little about you that potential employers need to learn more, dumbass.
Not to mention the fact that a person has ever right to turn down a job. A slave or even a car -to use your idiotic analogy- has no choice over it's owner.
This is just too stupid to even respond to...
This is just too stupid to even respond to...
Increasing minimum wages does not work, because it simply causes inflation, and eventually the problem is exactly the same, but just using bigger numbers.
Wrong. Increasing minimum wage has no appreciable affect on inflation.
The income of minimum wage earners constitutes less than 1% of the GDP. Doubling it will not even come close to doubling the amount of currency in circulation.
The income of minimum wage earners constitutes less than 1% of the GDP. Doubling it will not even come close to doubling the amount of currency in circulation.
Nobody needs 10 houses and 50 cars and a private jet, etc. nor should they even have a right to have them, because this is not "their" planet.
This is incredibly stupid...
I could use the same logic to claim that nobody has a right to own a computer, or an air conditioner, or even 1 car, or 1 home, because nobody needs these things.
Why don't you do yourself a favor and actually READ A FRIGGAN NON-FICTION BOOK FOR ONCE IN YOUR MISERABLE LIFE.
Jesus, you just sit here and try to lecture us about subjects you know absolutely nothing about. It's pathetic.
Good god, your ignorance knows no bounds...
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Capitalism in America is little more than Feudalism in disguise. Of course, we don't normally call them "lords" and "ladies", but its the same thing. CEO = "Lords and ladies" Everyone else = "Serfs"
Explain small businesses and independent contractors in that light, please...
Did you know that the vast majority of the American economy is based on small businesses and independent contractors? No, of course not.
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| Capitalism in America is little more than Feudalism in disguise. Of course, we don't normally call them "lords" and "ladies", but its the same thing. CEO = "Lords and ladies" Everyone else = "Serfs" |
Explain small businesses and independent contractors in that light, please...
Did you know that the vast majority of the American economy is based on small businesses and independent contractors? No, of course not.
People are sold on the "free market" the same way used cars are sold. You have a "car fax report" for yourself called a "resume", and your "lord" *ahem* employer knows more information about you than you know about yourself. Its true.
Have you ever even heard of this thing called a "job interview"? It exists because your resume says so little about you that potential employers need to learn more, dumbass.
Not to mention the fact that a person has ever right to turn down a job. A slave or even a car -to use your idiotic analogy- has no choice over it's owner.
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American capitalists have figured out that "true" slavery doesn't work, because the slaves know they are slaves. But the way to have a slave with none of the drawbacks is to simply don't tell them they are slaves, and give them just enough "freedoms" and "rights" to convince them they aren't slaves.
This is just too stupid to even respond to...
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| American capitalists have figured out that "true" slavery doesn't work, because the slaves know they are slaves. But the way to have a slave with none of the drawbacks is to simply don't tell them they are slaves, and give them just enough "freedoms" and "rights" to convince them they aren't slaves. |
This is just too stupid to even respond to...
Increasing minimum wages does not work, because it simply causes inflation, and eventually the problem is exactly the same, but just using bigger numbers.
Wrong. Increasing minimum wage has no appreciable affect on inflation.
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That is, give a person a minimum wage hike from $5 to $10, and you just double the amount of money in circulation, but then the CEOs and banks have double the money and everything costs twice as much,etc.
The income of minimum wage earners constitutes less than 1% of the GDP. Doubling it will not even come close to doubling the amount of currency in circulation.
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| That is, give a person a minimum wage hike from $5 to $10, and you just double the amount of money in circulation, but then the CEOs and banks have double the money and everything costs twice as much,etc. |
The income of minimum wage earners constitutes less than 1% of the GDP. Doubling it will not even come close to doubling the amount of currency in circulation.
Nobody needs 10 houses and 50 cars and a private jet, etc. nor should they even have a right to have them, because this is not "their" planet.
This is incredibly stupid...
I could use the same logic to claim that nobody has a right to own a computer, or an air conditioner, or even 1 car, or 1 home, because nobody needs these things.
Why don't you do yourself a favor and actually READ A FRIGGAN NON-FICTION BOOK FOR ONCE IN YOUR MISERABLE LIFE.
Jesus, you just sit here and try to lecture us about subjects you know absolutely nothing about. It's pathetic.
MjolnirPants
You are right in parts and wrong in parts in that last post.
There are some similarities with our modern society and some aspects of feudal society.
Serfs were not a constant feature of feudalism. Many countries had more free men than serfs and many cities had charters that guaranteed freedom to anyone within it's walls. All you had to do to be free was to walk to a city.
However...
Then as now, economic slavery was more pervasive than actual slavery... and remains so to this day. You could walk to a city and be free... to starve in it's gutters. As late as the 1940's you had the fabled "company store" that was essentially an institution of virtual slavery.
Now...
It largely depends on the economic viability of the area and sector you are in. Yes, you can refuse a job... but many people are not able to do so. They are not slaves in the typical fashion, but serfs in a sense if not literally. You can tell your boss to go to Hell... but if there are no other jobs, he has as much of a hold on you as if you were a serf.
This is similar to many such instances in the Middle-Ages.
Next...
Indeed, raising the minimum wage has not been shown to increase inflation.
Next...
Of ancillary interest.. there are a number of current institutions that share a lot of there basic natures with their medieval counterpart. Law for example.
Some aspects of medieval law (as bizarre as it often was) allowed for the Judgment of God (also called a Judicial Duel) in private disputes. Two men would fight it out... based on the idea that God would not allow a false man to triumph in battle. In some places (and times) a second could be chosen to fight on your behalf. Oddly enough, people often found that God seemed to prefer the better fighter's legal standing.
Nowadays we hire lawyers and often find that the better lawyer tends to be the one found to be "right".
Yes.. I did write an undergraduate thesis on the subject.
It's a fascinating subject.
You are right in parts and wrong in parts in that last post.
There are some similarities with our modern society and some aspects of feudal society.
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Not to mention the fact that a person has ever right to turn down a job. A slave or even a car -to use your idiotic analogy- has no choice over it's owner.
Serfs were not a constant feature of feudalism. Many countries had more free men than serfs and many cities had charters that guaranteed freedom to anyone within it's walls. All you had to do to be free was to walk to a city.
However...
Then as now, economic slavery was more pervasive than actual slavery... and remains so to this day. You could walk to a city and be free... to starve in it's gutters. As late as the 1940's you had the fabled "company store" that was essentially an institution of virtual slavery.
Now...
It largely depends on the economic viability of the area and sector you are in. Yes, you can refuse a job... but many people are not able to do so. They are not slaves in the typical fashion, but serfs in a sense if not literally. You can tell your boss to go to Hell... but if there are no other jobs, he has as much of a hold on you as if you were a serf.
This is similar to many such instances in the Middle-Ages.
Next...
Indeed, raising the minimum wage has not been shown to increase inflation.
Next...
Of ancillary interest.. there are a number of current institutions that share a lot of there basic natures with their medieval counterpart. Law for example.
Some aspects of medieval law (as bizarre as it often was) allowed for the Judgment of God (also called a Judicial Duel) in private disputes. Two men would fight it out... based on the idea that God would not allow a false man to triumph in battle. In some places (and times) a second could be chosen to fight on your behalf. Oddly enough, people often found that God seemed to prefer the better fighter's legal standing.
Nowadays we hire lawyers and often find that the better lawyer tends to be the one found to be "right".
Yes.. I did write an undergraduate thesis on the subject.
It's a fascinating subject.
Hi Titor Here
Yes America is a nation at risk, this is why
Your foreign policy clearly is to protect only the interests of your nation at the expense of all others, and all others see this
For those of you who would think that why are you go to the trouble spots of the world and try and sort them out, well you only go to the ones where you will get some advantage, like oil
You are selfish and internally focused.
You have displayed that you have one justice for the rich of your fellows and another for the poor
You don't look after you sick and aged, you con young boys into joining the army
from low socio economic backgrounds and send them overseas to die for the rich
You are focused on greed and money
You have no idea of friendship, other than befriending someone or some country that can do something for you, you often choose partnerships and friends that are violent, and your potential future foes.
You simply don't fight the good battle anymore
You are focused on everything fast, most of you would not know how to cook anymore.
Yes America is a nation at risk, this is why
Your foreign policy clearly is to protect only the interests of your nation at the expense of all others, and all others see this
For those of you who would think that why are you go to the trouble spots of the world and try and sort them out, well you only go to the ones where you will get some advantage, like oil
You are selfish and internally focused.
You have displayed that you have one justice for the rich of your fellows and another for the poor
You don't look after you sick and aged, you con young boys into joining the army
from low socio economic backgrounds and send them overseas to die for the rich
You are focused on greed and money
You have no idea of friendship, other than befriending someone or some country that can do something for you, you often choose partnerships and friends that are violent, and your potential future foes.
You simply don't fight the good battle anymore
You are focused on everything fast, most of you would not know how to cook anymore.
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jul 30 2009, 06:36 PM)
Serfs were not a constant feature of feudalism. Many countries had more free men than serfs and many cities had charters that guaranteed freedom to anyone within it's walls. All you had to do to be free was to walk to a city.
My response to his suggestion of a link between feudalism and the modern capitalism we see today was to ask him to explain small businesses in that light, and then to inform him that small businesses make up the majority of the GDP in America. This is the key difference. In feudalism, small landowners were virtually unknown, as feudalism was almost invariably coupled with a monarchist government in which the nobility was the sole owner of all lands. The peasantry were not free to own land.
In the modern market, the ownership of a business is directly analogous to the ownership of land in midevil society, which is why I responded the way I did. There may be some similarities, but there is no direct analogy.
My point about the slave not being free to choose his or her job was entirely in response to his comparison of the job market to the car market.
The difference is that then, there was no unemployment, no welfare, no food stamps. There was virtually no ability to become self-employed, as the guild systems and apprenticeship systems prevented the widespread dissemination of job skills.
This isn't true, today. A person is free to quit his or her job and start their own business, collect unemployment or simply subsist on welfare. Many many temporary jobs exist around the US, even in difficult economic times (someone has to pick the strawberries, after all...), making a transient life a viable one. There are also colleges, technical school, how-to books and even websites which can teach you new job skills, allowing you to become self employed or (again) start your own businesses, employing your own people.
The difference is that then, there was no unemployment, no welfare, no food stamps. There was virtually no ability to become self-employed, as the guild systems and apprenticeship systems prevented the widespread dissemination of job skills.
This isn't true, today. A person is free to quit his or her job and start their own business, collect unemployment or simply subsist on welfare. Many many temporary jobs exist around the US, even in difficult economic times (someone has to pick the strawberries, after all...), making a transient life a viable one. There are also colleges, technical school, how-to books and even websites which can teach you new job skills, allowing you to become self employed or (again) start your own businesses, employing your own people.
Some aspects of medieval law (as bizarre as it often was) allowed for the Judgment of God (also called a Judicial Duel) in private disputes. Two men would fight it out... based on the idea that God would not allow a false man to triumph in battle. In some places (and times) a second could be chosen to fight on your behalf. Oddly enough, people often found that God seemed to prefer the better fighter's legal standing.
Nowadays we hire lawyers and often find that the better lawyer tends to be the one found to be "right".
Yes.. I did write an undergraduate thesis on the subject. It's a fascinating subject.
This much I agree with, but this is a resemblance due to necessity, not our governmental model. Even if all lawyers were government employed, the better lawyer will tend to win. The lawyers serve as experts in legal proceedings, allowing each person full opportunity to use the law in their favor, thus leveling the playing field as much as is possible, to ensure that any conviction is just. In the case of civil suits, the skill of the lawyer is as often not a factor as it is a factor. The weight of the evidence which the lawyer presents can overwhelm any skills or inadequacies on the lawyer's part, and many many rules of conduct for court proceedings exist, in order to limit the extent to which any lawyer can rely on his or her skills as a debater to win a case. Unfortunately, you can never institute a system in which human participants play a key role, while simultaneously ensuring that each function works with the same level of efficiency as each other function.
Finally, there's one key difference which nobody has touched on, but which puts any such comparison out to pasture: In the feudal system, a peasant could not become a lord, except through a combination of great service, great fortune, and a whole hierarchy of lords who wanted to create a new noble house.
In modern capitalism, anyone is free to become one of the super elite, limited only by their ability to do so. In other words, the power to ascend to the 'nobility' is entirely in the hands of fortune and the one who wishes to ascend (with emphasis on the latter), the existing nobility's favor is not required nor even particularly helpful.
My response to his suggestion of a link between feudalism and the modern capitalism we see today was to ask him to explain small businesses in that light, and then to inform him that small businesses make up the majority of the GDP in America. This is the key difference. In feudalism, small landowners were virtually unknown, as feudalism was almost invariably coupled with a monarchist government in which the nobility was the sole owner of all lands. The peasantry were not free to own land.
In the modern market, the ownership of a business is directly analogous to the ownership of land in midevil society, which is why I responded the way I did. There may be some similarities, but there is no direct analogy.
My point about the slave not being free to choose his or her job was entirely in response to his comparison of the job market to the car market.
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Then as now, economic slavery was more pervasive than actual slavery... and remains so to this day. You could walk to a city and be free... to starve in it's gutters. As late as the 1940's you had the fabled "company store" that was essentially an institution of virtual slavery.
It largely depends on the economic viability of the area and sector you are in. Yes, you can refuse a job... but many people are not able to do so. They are not slaves in the typical fashion, but serfs in a sense if not literally. You can tell your boss to go to Hell... but if there are no other jobs, he has as much of a hold on you as if you were a serf.
It largely depends on the economic viability of the area and sector you are in. Yes, you can refuse a job... but many people are not able to do so. They are not slaves in the typical fashion, but serfs in a sense if not literally. You can tell your boss to go to Hell... but if there are no other jobs, he has as much of a hold on you as if you were a serf.
The difference is that then, there was no unemployment, no welfare, no food stamps. There was virtually no ability to become self-employed, as the guild systems and apprenticeship systems prevented the widespread dissemination of job skills.
This isn't true, today. A person is free to quit his or her job and start their own business, collect unemployment or simply subsist on welfare. Many many temporary jobs exist around the US, even in difficult economic times (someone has to pick the strawberries, after all...), making a transient life a viable one. There are also colleges, technical school, how-to books and even websites which can teach you new job skills, allowing you to become self employed or (again) start your own businesses, employing your own people.
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| Then as now, economic slavery was more pervasive than actual slavery... and remains so to this day. You could walk to a city and be free... to starve in it's gutters. As late as the 1940's you had the fabled "company store" that was essentially an institution of virtual slavery. It largely depends on the economic viability of the area and sector you are in. Yes, you can refuse a job... but many people are not able to do so. They are not slaves in the typical fashion, but serfs in a sense if not literally. You can tell your boss to go to Hell... but if there are no other jobs, he has as much of a hold on you as if you were a serf. |
The difference is that then, there was no unemployment, no welfare, no food stamps. There was virtually no ability to become self-employed, as the guild systems and apprenticeship systems prevented the widespread dissemination of job skills.
This isn't true, today. A person is free to quit his or her job and start their own business, collect unemployment or simply subsist on welfare. Many many temporary jobs exist around the US, even in difficult economic times (someone has to pick the strawberries, after all...), making a transient life a viable one. There are also colleges, technical school, how-to books and even websites which can teach you new job skills, allowing you to become self employed or (again) start your own businesses, employing your own people.
Some aspects of medieval law (as bizarre as it often was) allowed for the Judgment of God (also called a Judicial Duel) in private disputes. Two men would fight it out... based on the idea that God would not allow a false man to triumph in battle. In some places (and times) a second could be chosen to fight on your behalf. Oddly enough, people often found that God seemed to prefer the better fighter's legal standing.
Nowadays we hire lawyers and often find that the better lawyer tends to be the one found to be "right".
Yes.. I did write an undergraduate thesis on the subject.
It's a fascinating subject.This much I agree with, but this is a resemblance due to necessity, not our governmental model. Even if all lawyers were government employed, the better lawyer will tend to win. The lawyers serve as experts in legal proceedings, allowing each person full opportunity to use the law in their favor, thus leveling the playing field as much as is possible, to ensure that any conviction is just. In the case of civil suits, the skill of the lawyer is as often not a factor as it is a factor. The weight of the evidence which the lawyer presents can overwhelm any skills or inadequacies on the lawyer's part, and many many rules of conduct for court proceedings exist, in order to limit the extent to which any lawyer can rely on his or her skills as a debater to win a case. Unfortunately, you can never institute a system in which human participants play a key role, while simultaneously ensuring that each function works with the same level of efficiency as each other function.
Finally, there's one key difference which nobody has touched on, but which puts any such comparison out to pasture: In the feudal system, a peasant could not become a lord, except through a combination of great service, great fortune, and a whole hierarchy of lords who wanted to create a new noble house.
In modern capitalism, anyone is free to become one of the super elite, limited only by their ability to do so. In other words, the power to ascend to the 'nobility' is entirely in the hands of fortune and the one who wishes to ascend (with emphasis on the latter), the existing nobility's favor is not required nor even particularly helpful.
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Hi Titor Here
Hello, dumbass.
Oh goody, yet another ignoramus lecturing us on a subject well over his head...
Oh goody, yet another ignoramus lecturing us on a subject well over his head...
Your foreign policy clearly is to protect only the interests of your nation at the expense of all others, and all others see this
There does not exist, nor has there ever existed a government who did not have such a foreign policy.
Yeah,. because of all that oil in Panama, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Mogadishu...
Oh wait, none of those are major oil producing countries, are they?
Yeah,. because of all that oil in Panama, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Mogadishu...
Oh wait, none of those are major oil producing countries, are they?
You are selfish and internally focused.
Yeah, because as we all know, the U.S. doesn't ever engage in any charity work... (Psst, the U.S. gives more money to international charities than any other country in the world. More than almost any two countries combined, dumbass)
Find me a country that doesn't do that and I'll find you a dog that speaks french, in russian.
Find me a country that doesn't do that and I'll find you a dog that speaks french, in russian.
You don't look after you sick and aged, you con young boys into joining the army
Yeah, we don't have social security, a huge market for retirement plans, or state-funded senior care centers...
And of course, we don't have an all-volunteer army. We use conscripts, the evil bastards that we are.
Yeah. West Point only trains poor kids...
Yeah. West Point only trains poor kids...
You are focused on greed and money
As is everyone else in the world...
Yeah, cause we've seen how poorly our relationship with England turned out. And France, China, Japan, Germany, Norway, etc, etc, etc....
Yeah, cause we've seen how poorly our relationship with England turned out. And France, China, Japan, Germany, Norway, etc, etc, etc....
You simply don't fight the good battle anymore
Yeah, cause Saddam Hussein was such a great guy!
Yeah, cause we don't have any supermarkets, either.
You are even dumber than quantum_crybaby, you know that? This post I responded to was the stupidest post in this thread, possibly the stupidest post on this forum. You know absolutely nothing about economics, politics, or social issues or sciences. You're a complete ignoramus who thinks because you've heard some anti-American rhetoric a few times that you're somehow smarter than anyone who likes the U.S.
Well, you're wrong. You're an idiot. You're ignorant. You're not even particularly original. The whole point of your post is based on a whole series of fallacies, not the least of which are the assumptions that:
1. The US government is a single entity, with a single agenda that doesn't change over time.
2. The US population is incredibly homogeneous.
The fallacy of just those two tear your whole argument apart, you complete retard.
Hello, dumbass.
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Yes America is a nation at risk, this is why
Oh goody, yet another ignoramus lecturing us on a subject well over his head...
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Oh goody, yet another ignoramus lecturing us on a subject well over his head...
Your foreign policy clearly is to protect only the interests of your nation at the expense of all others, and all others see this
There does not exist, nor has there ever existed a government who did not have such a foreign policy.
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For those of you who would think that why are you go to the trouble spots of the world and try and sort them out, well you only go to the ones where you will get some advantage, like oil
Yeah,. because of all that oil in Panama, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Mogadishu...
Oh wait, none of those are major oil producing countries, are they?
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Yeah,. because of all that oil in Panama, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Mogadishu...
Oh wait, none of those are major oil producing countries, are they?
You are selfish and internally focused.
Yeah, because as we all know, the U.S. doesn't ever engage in any charity work... (Psst, the U.S. gives more money to international charities than any other country in the world. More than almost any two countries combined, dumbass)
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You have displayed that you have one justice for the rich of your fellows and another for the poor
Find me a country that doesn't do that and I'll find you a dog that speaks french, in russian.
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Find me a country that doesn't do that and I'll find you a dog that speaks french, in russian.
You don't look after you sick and aged, you con young boys into joining the army
Yeah, we don't have social security, a huge market for retirement plans, or state-funded senior care centers...
And of course, we don't have an all-volunteer army. We use conscripts, the evil bastards that we are.
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from low socio economic backgrounds and send them overseas to die for the rich
Yeah. West Point only trains poor kids...
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Yeah. West Point only trains poor kids...
You are focused on greed and money
As is everyone else in the world...
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You have no idea of friendship, other than befriending someone or some country that can do something for you, you often choose partnerships and friends that are violent, and your potential future foes.
Yeah, cause we've seen how poorly our relationship with England turned out. And France, China, Japan, Germany, Norway, etc, etc, etc....
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Yeah, cause we've seen how poorly our relationship with England turned out. And France, China, Japan, Germany, Norway, etc, etc, etc....
You simply don't fight the good battle anymore
Yeah, cause Saddam Hussein was such a great guy!
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You are focused on everything fast, most of you would not know how to cook anymore.
Yeah, cause we don't have any supermarkets, either.
You are even dumber than quantum_crybaby, you know that? This post I responded to was the stupidest post in this thread, possibly the stupidest post on this forum. You know absolutely nothing about economics, politics, or social issues or sciences. You're a complete ignoramus who thinks because you've heard some anti-American rhetoric a few times that you're somehow smarter than anyone who likes the U.S.
Well, you're wrong. You're an idiot. You're ignorant. You're not even particularly original. The whole point of your post is based on a whole series of fallacies, not the least of which are the assumptions that:
1. The US government is a single entity, with a single agenda that doesn't change over time.
2. The US population is incredibly homogeneous.
The fallacy of just those two tear your whole argument apart, you complete retard.
Hi Titor here again
Yes you are a freakish large member aren't you
Lets look at the differrences between you and us
I am an Australian, I lived in your country, What a disappointment that was, you were not what I expected, in fact quite the opposite. No land of the free there, with fairness for all, no just a LOT OF SELF CENTRED PEOPLE
Okay bare with me, lets do this
Voting is not compulsory in your country, in fact they make if difficult to vote, you have to line up.
Well is compulsory here , but it only takes 5 mins
We have Medicare it looks after every Australian the same, regardless of whether you have private medical insurance or not, in case of accident or life threaten situation we are all the same, we get the best treatment possible (including transplant surgery), you do not
The majority of Hospitals are Goverment owned and run, not for profit, yours are not
We have unemployment benefits for an unlimited time period, you do not
We have a minimun wage and conditions, which included 4 weeks annual leave per year and 10 week long service leave every 10 years, you do not
Our Schools and Universities are majority owned and run as Not for Profit by the Government, anyone can go to University if they want, can you ??? , or do you have to save , I have 2 degrees, Materials Science and Mathematics
We got our independance without a war, you chose the violent option, and continue that choice
You fought with yourselves, the civil war, then Mexico , just cause they are there
And yes we follow you into conflict after conflict, korea , vietnam, middle east because we have policians that are extremely large mambers, but I have to tell you its wearing thin, and will probably be sorted out next election
You can buy a gun down the street from a drug store, I can not, even though I was in Miltary Forces (by choice) and know how to use one, its very comforting to know that the general population can not get a hold of one
You have Nuclear Weapons, tell me do they make you feel safe ???
Are you proud of your cuban prison , where you can holld people without trial, that would be illegal in my country.
You have beggars on the street, we don't
You complain about the level of service provided by your government and also taxs, I pay 45% top bracket tax and I am proud of it, where do you think the money comes from to provide the service
Ous Nursing Homes are required to be run as not for profit, yours are not
I have worked in Germany, Japan, US and Mexico, I speak 3 languages, where have you worked ???
I have some preivous American Friends I watched them change here, they are now Australian.
I went to one of their citizenship ceremonies , 200 people becoming Australia, 50 of which were Americans now Australian, almost all who have to work here forr any good length of time, they don't return, why might that be???
One of them said to me , they did not realise how much stress there over competitive culture caused them until they were free of it
So you can think i am a crackpot, knowing you I would not expect less from you, since you feel that if anyone challenges you that it's personal.
Well in your words "Have a nice day" which i have learnt to mean is "Get F--ked"
Yes you are a freakish large member aren't you
Lets look at the differrences between you and us
I am an Australian, I lived in your country, What a disappointment that was, you were not what I expected, in fact quite the opposite. No land of the free there, with fairness for all, no just a LOT OF SELF CENTRED PEOPLE
Okay bare with me, lets do this
Voting is not compulsory in your country, in fact they make if difficult to vote, you have to line up.
Well is compulsory here , but it only takes 5 mins
We have Medicare it looks after every Australian the same, regardless of whether you have private medical insurance or not, in case of accident or life threaten situation we are all the same, we get the best treatment possible (including transplant surgery), you do not
The majority of Hospitals are Goverment owned and run, not for profit, yours are not
We have unemployment benefits for an unlimited time period, you do not
We have a minimun wage and conditions, which included 4 weeks annual leave per year and 10 week long service leave every 10 years, you do not
Our Schools and Universities are majority owned and run as Not for Profit by the Government, anyone can go to University if they want, can you ??? , or do you have to save , I have 2 degrees, Materials Science and Mathematics
We got our independance without a war, you chose the violent option, and continue that choice
You fought with yourselves, the civil war, then Mexico , just cause they are there
And yes we follow you into conflict after conflict, korea , vietnam, middle east because we have policians that are extremely large mambers, but I have to tell you its wearing thin, and will probably be sorted out next election
You can buy a gun down the street from a drug store, I can not, even though I was in Miltary Forces (by choice) and know how to use one, its very comforting to know that the general population can not get a hold of one
You have Nuclear Weapons, tell me do they make you feel safe ???
Are you proud of your cuban prison , where you can holld people without trial, that would be illegal in my country.
You have beggars on the street, we don't
You complain about the level of service provided by your government and also taxs, I pay 45% top bracket tax and I am proud of it, where do you think the money comes from to provide the service
Ous Nursing Homes are required to be run as not for profit, yours are not
I have worked in Germany, Japan, US and Mexico, I speak 3 languages, where have you worked ???
I have some preivous American Friends I watched them change here, they are now Australian.
I went to one of their citizenship ceremonies , 200 people becoming Australia, 50 of which were Americans now Australian, almost all who have to work here forr any good length of time, they don't return, why might that be???
One of them said to me , they did not realise how much stress there over competitive culture caused them until they were free of it
So you can think i am a crackpot, knowing you I would not expect less from you, since you feel that if anyone challenges you that it's personal.
Well in your words "Have a nice day" which i have learnt to mean is "Get F--ked"
QUOTE (Guest+Jul 31 2009, 07:46 PM)
Hi Titor here again
Hello again, Dumbass.
Indeed I am.
Indeed I am.
Lets look at the differrences between you and us
That's easy:
1. I'm intelligent.
2. I'm well-educated.
3. I'm not manic.
4. I'm handsome.
5. I'm confident.
6. I'm freakishly large.
Whereas you're:
1. Stupid.
2. Uneducated.
3. Manic.
4. Ugly (probably).
5. Insecure.
6. Not freakishly large.
Please remind me of when you and I personally met. You see, you're saying all these things about me, so you must have met me at some point, right?
Unless you're really so stupid that you think you can describe everyone on the US in a single sentence.... Is that what you're doing here?
Please remind me of when you and I personally met. You see, you're saying all these things about me, so you must have met me at some point, right?
Unless you're really so stupid that you think you can describe everyone on the US in a single sentence.... Is that what you're doing here?
in fact quite the opposite. No land of the free there, with fairness for all, no just a LOT OF SELF CENTRED PEOPLE
When I visited Australia, I encountered a lot of stupid hicks. So I guess that means Australia is a country populated by stupid hicks, right?
If you insist, but my freakishly large nature might make you look bad in comparison...
If you insist, but my freakishly large nature might make you look bad in comparison...
Voting is not compulsory in your country, in fact they make if difficult to vote, you have to line up.
No, they don't, and no, you don't. I've never waited in line to vote, nor is it difficult at all. All you have to do is go to your local polling station and vote. Busses and taxis often offer free service to and from these polling stations, and there's so many of them in populated areas you can usually walk to the nearest one.
Being a country populated by stupid hicks, I'm not surprised. You'd all forget to vote if it wasn't mandatory, and then where would you be?
Being a country populated by stupid hicks, I'm not surprised. You'd all forget to vote if it wasn't mandatory, and then where would you be?
We have Medicare it looks after every Australian the same, regardless of whether you have private medical insurance or not, in case of accident or life threaten situation we are all the same, we get the best treatment possible (including transplant surgery), you do not
No medical institution capable of performing emergency treatment is allowed to refuse such treatment to anyone, contrary to your idiotic and ill-informed suggestion.
In fact, unpaid medical expenses cannot even be added to your credit rating in many cases.
That's right. And those profits fund medical research and state-of-the-art equipment. You're aware that the US has the highest standard of medical care in the world, right? Well, to be honest, we're tied for first place with a few other developed nations who have medical industries, but still.
That's right. And those profits fund medical research and state-of-the-art equipment. You're aware that the US has the highest standard of medical care in the world, right? Well, to be honest, we're tied for first place with a few other developed nations who have medical industries, but still.
We have unemployment benefits for an unlimited time period, you do not
Because we all know it's totally fair to pay people not to work...
The US has been known for over 200 years as a nation of hardworking people (unlike Australia), and so we naturally have lower standards when it comes to customary vacations. And of course, contrary to your uninformed claim, we do actually have a minimum wage, which is higher than yours, once you take into account cost of living expenses and tax rates.
The US has been known for over 200 years as a nation of hardworking people (unlike Australia), and so we naturally have lower standards when it comes to customary vacations. And of course, contrary to your uninformed claim, we do actually have a minimum wage, which is higher than yours, once you take into account cost of living expenses and tax rates.
Our Schools and Universities are majority owned and run as Not for Profit by the Government, anyone can go to University if they want, can you ??? , or do you have to save , I have 2 degrees, Materials Science and Mathematics
1. You are either lying through your teeth or your degrees aren't worth the paper their printed on.
2. Yes. Anyone in the US can go to school if they want to. If they're determined and dedicated enough (and aren't a stupid hick), they can even end up attending an ivy league school for free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Australia
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Australia has participated in every major war fought by the US, as well as many other conflicts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Australia
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Australia has participated in every major war fought by the US, as well as many other conflicts.
You fought with yourselves, the civil war, then Mexico , just cause they are there
"Just because they are there", eh? Well, I'll be sure to inform every military historian alive that they've been wrong all this time. The civil war and Mexican-American war were not fought over land disputes, slavery, the right to secede, or any other of the commonly stated reasons. They were fought "just because they are there."
Wow, that's a flurry of misspelled words... I dunno if I can keep up...
What's a mamber?
You do realize that you're claiming that your politicians can't think for themselves, right? That's generally not a good thing to do when you're trying to disparage someone else's country.
Wow, that's a flurry of misspelled words... I dunno if I can keep up...
What's a mamber?
You do realize that you're claiming that your politicians can't think for themselves, right? That's generally not a good thing to do when you're trying to disparage someone else's country.
You can buy a gun down the street from a drug store, I can not, even though I was in Miltary Forces (by choice) and know how to use one, its very comforting to know that the general population can not get a hold of one
Yeah. Cause when an armed intruder breaks into my house at night, the most comforting thought in the world is that I'm going to have to go up against his illegal gun with my legal baseball bat.
And if you've ever thought to compare population densities with violent crime rates you might notice something... Even though you have less than 10% of our population density (and violent crimes in developed nations increase proportional to population density), you have more than 25% of our murder rate.
I don't have any nuclear weapons myself... But I'll tell you what; The day you as a non-nuclear state decide to invade me as a nuclear state will be the last day you exist as a state. Dumbass...
I don't have any nuclear weapons myself... But I'll tell you what; The day you as a non-nuclear state decide to invade me as a nuclear state will be the last day you exist as a state. Dumbass...
Are you proud of your cuban prison , where you can holld people without trial, that would be illegal in my country.
No, it wouldn't. There's a big difference between enemy combatants and criminals.
Bullshit. The US has about 850,000 people homeless at any given time. Australia has about 150,000 homeless people at any given time. The US has a population of over 300,000,000. Australia has a population of about 21,000,000. US homelessness thus stands at about 0.3%, whereas Australian homelessness stands at about 0.7%. That's over twice as high a homeless rate as in the US.
Bullshit. The US has about 850,000 people homeless at any given time. Australia has about 150,000 homeless people at any given time. The US has a population of over 300,000,000. Australia has a population of about 21,000,000. US homelessness thus stands at about 0.3%, whereas Australian homelessness stands at about 0.7%. That's over twice as high a homeless rate as in the US.
You complain about the level of service provided by your government and also taxs, I pay 45% top bracket tax and I am proud of it, where do you think the money comes from to provide the service
I have never once in my entire life bitched about having to pay taxes.
Same situation as the hospitals.
Same situation as the hospitals.
I have worked in Germany, Japan, US and Mexico, I speak 3 languages, where have you worked ???
I have worked in the US my whole life, unless you count me earning some money gambling in Mexico. That doesn't prove a damn thing, though. It doesn't even evince anything.
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OH MY GOD!!! People actually adapting to their new surroundings?!?! HOLY CRAP!!!!
OH MY GOD!!! People actually adapting to their new surroundings?!?! HOLY CRAP!!!!
I went to one of their citizenship ceremonies , 200 people becoming Australia, 50 of which were Americans now Australian, almost all who have to work here forr any good length of time, they don't return, why might that be???
Because they became stupid hicks and got too stupid to realize how much better off they'd be if they came back?
The US naturalizes more immigrants in a month than any other country does in a year, by the way.
Oh my god, you got our lazy bums.... You know, back in the 80's we were considering sending all of our mentally retarded people to Australia. It was a wonderful idea, according to all the scientists, as it would raise the average IQ of both countries. Unfortunately it ultimately got shot down, because many of our mentally retarded people are chubby and hairy, like sheep, and we all know what you aussies like to do to sheep.
Oh my god, you got our lazy bums.... You know, back in the 80's we were considering sending all of our mentally retarded people to Australia. It was a wonderful idea, according to all the scientists, as it would raise the average IQ of both countries. Unfortunately it ultimately got shot down, because many of our mentally retarded people are chubby and hairy, like sheep, and we all know what you aussies like to do to sheep.
So you can think i am a crackpot, knowing you I would not expect less from you, since you feel that if anyone challenges you that it's personal.
Thank you, Dr. Phil. It's nice to know that a stupid and ignorant hick can read my mind over the internet.
"Get f--cked" is not an American idiom, dumbass.
"Go fuсk yourself," is, though. So...
Go fuсk yourself.
Ok, I wasn't serious when I said all those bad things about Australia and Australians. It's not such a bad place, and the people aren't too bad, either. I just wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine.
Now that I've finished the wise-*** retort, it's time to move on to the actual intelligent response.
1. Judging an entire nation by your subjective experience with an incredibly small percentage of it's population is incredibly stupid and ignorant. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell you that.
2. The US has the strongest economy, military and international political voice in the world. Our health care system is state of the art and we produce more advances in medical technology than any other country. Your complaints in those regards are simply entirely wrong.
3. By engaging in blatant anti-Americanism, you are proving yourself to be the very sort of judgmental, self-centered, holier-than-thou aѕѕhole that you are so poorly attempting to portray all Americans as.
4. You've completely ignored the fact that your governmental model, economy, military and social culture is based on ours to an incredible degree.
5. You've completely ignored the fact that the US government changes every few years: It is not and never has been a single regime for more than a few years at a time, despite your portrayal of it as such.
6. The United States constitution guarantees more rights to it's citizens than yours, by a noticeable degree.
7. Your claims are both uniformed and idiotic. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, and I know teenagers who demonstrate a better grasp of world politics than you.
So once again, go fuсk yourself you idiotic, ignorant, sheepfuсking, limp-diсked pathetic excuse for a human being. If you want to sit on a podium and made wildly inaccurate claims and draw blatantly stupid conclusions from them, go become a religious leader.
Hello again, Dumbass.
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Yes you are a freakish large member aren't you
Indeed I am.
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| Yes you are a freakish large member aren't you |
Indeed I am.
Lets look at the differrences between you and us
That's easy:
1. I'm intelligent.
2. I'm well-educated.
3. I'm not manic.
4. I'm handsome.
5. I'm confident.
6. I'm freakishly large.
Whereas you're:
1. Stupid.
2. Uneducated.
3. Manic.
4. Ugly (probably).
5. Insecure.
6. Not freakishly large.
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I am an Australian, I lived in your country, What a disappointment that was, you were not what I expected,
Please remind me of when you and I personally met. You see, you're saying all these things about me, so you must have met me at some point, right?
Unless you're really so stupid that you think you can describe everyone on the US in a single sentence.... Is that what you're doing here?
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Please remind me of when you and I personally met. You see, you're saying all these things about me, so you must have met me at some point, right?
Unless you're really so stupid that you think you can describe everyone on the US in a single sentence.... Is that what you're doing here?
in fact quite the opposite. No land of the free there, with fairness for all, no just a LOT OF SELF CENTRED PEOPLE
When I visited Australia, I encountered a lot of stupid hicks. So I guess that means Australia is a country populated by stupid hicks, right?
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Okay bare with me, lets do this
If you insist, but my freakishly large nature might make you look bad in comparison...
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If you insist, but my freakishly large nature might make you look bad in comparison...
Voting is not compulsory in your country, in fact they make if difficult to vote, you have to line up.
No, they don't, and no, you don't. I've never waited in line to vote, nor is it difficult at all. All you have to do is go to your local polling station and vote. Busses and taxis often offer free service to and from these polling stations, and there's so many of them in populated areas you can usually walk to the nearest one.
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Well is compulsory here , but it only takes 5 mins
Being a country populated by stupid hicks, I'm not surprised. You'd all forget to vote if it wasn't mandatory, and then where would you be?
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| Well is compulsory here , but it only takes 5 mins |
Being a country populated by stupid hicks, I'm not surprised. You'd all forget to vote if it wasn't mandatory, and then where would you be?
We have Medicare it looks after every Australian the same, regardless of whether you have private medical insurance or not, in case of accident or life threaten situation we are all the same, we get the best treatment possible (including transplant surgery), you do not
No medical institution capable of performing emergency treatment is allowed to refuse such treatment to anyone, contrary to your idiotic and ill-informed suggestion.
In fact, unpaid medical expenses cannot even be added to your credit rating in many cases.
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The majority of Hospitals are Goverment owned and run, not for profit, yours are not
That's right. And those profits fund medical research and state-of-the-art equipment. You're aware that the US has the highest standard of medical care in the world, right? Well, to be honest, we're tied for first place with a few other developed nations who have medical industries, but still.
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| The majority of Hospitals are Goverment owned and run, not for profit, yours are not |
That's right. And those profits fund medical research and state-of-the-art equipment. You're aware that the US has the highest standard of medical care in the world, right? Well, to be honest, we're tied for first place with a few other developed nations who have medical industries, but still.
We have unemployment benefits for an unlimited time period, you do not
Because we all know it's totally fair to pay people not to work...
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We have a minimun wage and conditions, which included 4 weeks annual leave per year and 10 week long service leave every 10 years, you do not
The US has been known for over 200 years as a nation of hardworking people (unlike Australia), and so we naturally have lower standards when it comes to customary vacations. And of course, contrary to your uninformed claim, we do actually have a minimum wage, which is higher than yours, once you take into account cost of living expenses and tax rates.
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| We have a minimun wage and conditions, which included 4 weeks annual leave per year and 10 week long service leave every 10 years, you do not |
The US has been known for over 200 years as a nation of hardworking people (unlike Australia), and so we naturally have lower standards when it comes to customary vacations. And of course, contrary to your uninformed claim, we do actually have a minimum wage, which is higher than yours, once you take into account cost of living expenses and tax rates.
Our Schools and Universities are majority owned and run as Not for Profit by the Government, anyone can go to University if they want, can you ??? , or do you have to save , I have 2 degrees, Materials Science and Mathematics
1. You are either lying through your teeth or your degrees aren't worth the paper their printed on.
2. Yes. Anyone in the US can go to school if they want to. If they're determined and dedicated enough (and aren't a stupid hick), they can even end up attending an ivy league school for free.
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We got our independance without a war, you chose the violent option, and continue that choice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Australia
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Australia has participated in every major war fought by the US, as well as many other conflicts.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Australia
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Australia has participated in every major war fought by the US, as well as many other conflicts.
You fought with yourselves, the civil war, then Mexico , just cause they are there
"Just because they are there", eh? Well, I'll be sure to inform every military historian alive that they've been wrong all this time. The civil war and Mexican-American war were not fought over land disputes, slavery, the right to secede, or any other of the commonly stated reasons. They were fought "just because they are there."
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And yes we follow you into conflict after conflict, korea , vietnam, middle east because we have policians that are extremely large mambers, but I have to tell you its wearing thin, and will probably be sorted out next election
Wow, that's a flurry of misspelled words... I dunno if I can keep up...
What's a mamber?
You do realize that you're claiming that your politicians can't think for themselves, right? That's generally not a good thing to do when you're trying to disparage someone else's country.
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Wow, that's a flurry of misspelled words... I dunno if I can keep up...
What's a mamber?
You do realize that you're claiming that your politicians can't think for themselves, right? That's generally not a good thing to do when you're trying to disparage someone else's country.
You can buy a gun down the street from a drug store, I can not, even though I was in Miltary Forces (by choice) and know how to use one, its very comforting to know that the general population can not get a hold of one
Yeah. Cause when an armed intruder breaks into my house at night, the most comforting thought in the world is that I'm going to have to go up against his illegal gun with my legal baseball bat.
And if you've ever thought to compare population densities with violent crime rates you might notice something... Even though you have less than 10% of our population density (and violent crimes in developed nations increase proportional to population density), you have more than 25% of our murder rate.
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You have Nuclear Weapons, tell me do they make you feel safe ???
I don't have any nuclear weapons myself... But I'll tell you what; The day you as a non-nuclear state decide to invade me as a nuclear state will be the last day you exist as a state. Dumbass...
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I don't have any nuclear weapons myself... But I'll tell you what; The day you as a non-nuclear state decide to invade me as a nuclear state will be the last day you exist as a state. Dumbass...
Are you proud of your cuban prison , where you can holld people without trial, that would be illegal in my country.
No, it wouldn't. There's a big difference between enemy combatants and criminals.
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You have beggars on the street, we don't
Bullshit. The US has about 850,000 people homeless at any given time. Australia has about 150,000 homeless people at any given time. The US has a population of over 300,000,000. Australia has a population of about 21,000,000. US homelessness thus stands at about 0.3%, whereas Australian homelessness stands at about 0.7%. That's over twice as high a homeless rate as in the US.
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Bullshit. The US has about 850,000 people homeless at any given time. Australia has about 150,000 homeless people at any given time. The US has a population of over 300,000,000. Australia has a population of about 21,000,000. US homelessness thus stands at about 0.3%, whereas Australian homelessness stands at about 0.7%. That's over twice as high a homeless rate as in the US.
You complain about the level of service provided by your government and also taxs, I pay 45% top bracket tax and I am proud of it, where do you think the money comes from to provide the service
I have never once in my entire life bitched about having to pay taxes.
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Ous Nursing Homes are required to be run as not for profit, yours are not
Same situation as the hospitals.
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Same situation as the hospitals.
I have worked in Germany, Japan, US and Mexico, I speak 3 languages, where have you worked ???
I have worked in the US my whole life, unless you count me earning some money gambling in Mexico. That doesn't prove a damn thing, though. It doesn't even evince anything.
Haben Sie einen Punkt?
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I have some preivous American Friends I watched them change here, they are now Australian.
OH MY GOD!!! People actually adapting to their new surroundings?!?! HOLY CRAP!!!!
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OH MY GOD!!! People actually adapting to their new surroundings?!?! HOLY CRAP!!!!
I went to one of their citizenship ceremonies , 200 people becoming Australia, 50 of which were Americans now Australian, almost all who have to work here forr any good length of time, they don't return, why might that be???
Because they became stupid hicks and got too stupid to realize how much better off they'd be if they came back?
The US naturalizes more immigrants in a month than any other country does in a year, by the way.
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One of them said to me , they did not realise how much stress there over competitive culture caused them until they were free of it
Oh my god, you got our lazy bums.... You know, back in the 80's we were considering sending all of our mentally retarded people to Australia. It was a wonderful idea, according to all the scientists, as it would raise the average IQ of both countries. Unfortunately it ultimately got shot down, because many of our mentally retarded people are chubby and hairy, like sheep, and we all know what you aussies like to do to sheep.
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Oh my god, you got our lazy bums.... You know, back in the 80's we were considering sending all of our mentally retarded people to Australia. It was a wonderful idea, according to all the scientists, as it would raise the average IQ of both countries. Unfortunately it ultimately got shot down, because many of our mentally retarded people are chubby and hairy, like sheep, and we all know what you aussies like to do to sheep.
So you can think i am a crackpot, knowing you I would not expect less from you, since you feel that if anyone challenges you that it's personal.
Thank you, Dr. Phil. It's nice to know that a stupid and ignorant hick can read my mind over the internet.
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Well in your words "Have a nice day" which i have learnt to mean is "Get F--ked"
"Get f--cked" is not an American idiom, dumbass.
"Go fuсk yourself," is, though. So...
Go fuсk yourself.
Ok, I wasn't serious when I said all those bad things about Australia and Australians. It's not such a bad place, and the people aren't too bad, either. I just wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine.
Now that I've finished the wise-*** retort, it's time to move on to the actual intelligent response.
1. Judging an entire nation by your subjective experience with an incredibly small percentage of it's population is incredibly stupid and ignorant. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell you that.
2. The US has the strongest economy, military and international political voice in the world. Our health care system is state of the art and we produce more advances in medical technology than any other country. Your complaints in those regards are simply entirely wrong.
3. By engaging in blatant anti-Americanism, you are proving yourself to be the very sort of judgmental, self-centered, holier-than-thou aѕѕhole that you are so poorly attempting to portray all Americans as.
4. You've completely ignored the fact that your governmental model, economy, military and social culture is based on ours to an incredible degree.
5. You've completely ignored the fact that the US government changes every few years: It is not and never has been a single regime for more than a few years at a time, despite your portrayal of it as such.
6. The United States constitution guarantees more rights to it's citizens than yours, by a noticeable degree.
7. Your claims are both uniformed and idiotic. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, and I know teenagers who demonstrate a better grasp of world politics than you.
So once again, go fuсk yourself you idiotic, ignorant, sheepfuсking, limp-diсked pathetic excuse for a human being. If you want to sit on a podium and made wildly inaccurate claims and draw blatantly stupid conclusions from them, go become a religious leader.
Hi Titor
You are totally what I expected
Please come here and go for a swim in the Northern Territory
LOL
PS You get all your stuff from wikipedia, and I am a dumb ***
Why don't you try the CIA factbook, thats better
A country that measures other countries by how many men and women they have of fighting age, hmmmmm, says a lot , don't you think
Oh by the way,I don't need a visa to get into most countries , how about you, why do you think that might be ???
You are like talking the the school yard bully
Your 12 right ????
What had a bad play station experience ???
Or were you invited to Michael Jackson's ranch at a young age ???
You are such fun to play with, I particularily like the trouble you go to
Have you been outside the US, do they let you out ????
I suppose if you have only worked and lived in the US, you probably know everything ,LOL
You are totally what I expected
Please come here and go for a swim in the Northern Territory
LOL
PS You get all your stuff from wikipedia, and I am a dumb ***
Why don't you try the CIA factbook, thats better
A country that measures other countries by how many men and women they have of fighting age, hmmmmm, says a lot , don't you think
Oh by the way,I don't need a visa to get into most countries , how about you, why do you think that might be ???
You are like talking the the school yard bully
Your 12 right ????
What had a bad play station experience ???
Or were you invited to Michael Jackson's ranch at a young age ???
You are such fun to play with, I particularily like the trouble you go to
Have you been outside the US, do they let you out ????
I suppose if you have only worked and lived in the US, you probably know everything ,LOL
Hi Titor
You are totally what I expected
Please come here and go for a swim in the Northern Territory
LOL
PS You get all your stuff from wikipedia, and I am a dumb ***
Why don't you try the CIA factbook, thats better
A country that measures other countries by how many men and women they have of fighting age, hmmmmm, says a lot , don't you think
Oh by the way,I don't need a visa to get into most countries , how about you, why do you think that might be ???
You are like talking the the school yard bully
Your 12 right ????
What had a bad play station experience ???
Or were you invited to Michael Jackson's ranch at a young age ???
You are such fun to play with, I particularily like the trouble you go to
Have you been outside the US, do they let you out ????
I suppose if you have only worked and lived in the US, you probably know everything ,LOL
You know something , when you resort to this
"So once again, go fuсk yourself you idiotic, ignorant, sheepfuсking, limp-diсked pathetic excuse for a human being. If you want to sit on a podium and made wildly inaccurate claims and draw blatantly stupid conclusions from them, go become a religious leader. "
You really show your intelligence.
Glad your there, unfortunately there is lots of you, like you
Oh PS
If I kill someone who breaks into my house I go to jail, you don't right, so theoretically you could invite someone to your house, kill them, then claim they were breaking in, interesting law you have.
Oh and also, why don't you kick out all your illegal mexican workers, if your so hard working, we don't need them
You are totally what I expected
Please come here and go for a swim in the Northern Territory
LOL
PS You get all your stuff from wikipedia, and I am a dumb ***
Why don't you try the CIA factbook, thats better
A country that measures other countries by how many men and women they have of fighting age, hmmmmm, says a lot , don't you think
Oh by the way,I don't need a visa to get into most countries , how about you, why do you think that might be ???
You are like talking the the school yard bully
Your 12 right ????
What had a bad play station experience ???
Or were you invited to Michael Jackson's ranch at a young age ???
You are such fun to play with, I particularily like the trouble you go to
Have you been outside the US, do they let you out ????
I suppose if you have only worked and lived in the US, you probably know everything ,LOL
You know something , when you resort to this
"So once again, go fuсk yourself you idiotic, ignorant, sheepfuсking, limp-diсked pathetic excuse for a human being. If you want to sit on a podium and made wildly inaccurate claims and draw blatantly stupid conclusions from them, go become a religious leader. "
You really show your intelligence.
Glad your there, unfortunately there is lots of you, like you
Oh PS
If I kill someone who breaks into my house I go to jail, you don't right, so theoretically you could invite someone to your house, kill them, then claim they were breaking in, interesting law you have.
Oh and also, why don't you kick out all your illegal mexican workers, if your so hard working, we don't need them
QUOTE (titor+Aug 1 2009, 01:18 AM)
Hi Titor
You are totally what I expected
Except for one thing: I know what I'm talking about, which I know for a fact you don't expect from people who disagree with you.
No I don't, and yes you are.
No I don't, and yes you are.
Why don't you try the CIA factbook, thats better
Why don't you? (For the record, the CIA is a US government agency;) )
While you're at it, learn to spell, use proper grammar, and use the interface here on the forum.
No, it doesn't say a lot. Especially because nobody's doing that.
No, it doesn't say a lot. Especially because nobody's doing that.
Oh by the way,I don't need a visa to get into most countries , how about you, why do you think that might be ???
1. Wrong.
2. So what?
Ahem, weren't you accusing me of taking things personally?
You lying sack of dingo crap.
Ahem, weren't you accusing me of taking things personally?
You lying sack of dingo crap.
You are such fun to play with, I particularily like the trouble you go to
You don't understand... You're an ignorant retard. Debunking your retarded claims is easy. It's really no trouble at all. In fact, most of your claims are about things I already know pretty well, so I don't even have to look anything up to know you're full of crap.
Of course, if you think I'm wrong about something in particular, I'll happily show you how stupid you are by providing you with a link or two.
1. I've already answered that question, dumbass.
2. I've been to Mexico, Germany, Austria, France, Australia, Canada, Ireland and Japan. I've got plans to visit Norway in the not too distant future.
1. I've already answered that question, dumbass.
2. I've been to Mexico, Germany, Austria, France, Australia, Canada, Ireland and Japan. I've got plans to visit Norway in the not too distant future.
I suppose if you have only worked and lived in the US, you probably know everything ,LOL
Not everything, just a hell of a lot more than you, dumbass.
So much for your lies about having any sort of college degree... But hell, your spelling and grammar proved that claim wrong before you even made it.
This is from the CIA factbook, since Fred Flintstone thinks that nobody is doing this
"Military branches:
Australian Defense Force (ADF): Australian Army, Royal Australian Navy, Royal Australian Air Force, Special Operations Command (2006)
Military service age and obligation:
17 years of age for voluntary military service (with parental consent); no conscription; women allowed to serve in Army combat units in non-combat support roles (2008)
Manpower available for military service:
males age 16-49: 4,999,988
females age 16-49: 4,870,043 (2008 est.)
Manpower fit for military service:
males age 16-49: 4,341,591
females age 16-49: 4,179,659 (2009 est.)
Manpower reaching militarily significant age annually:
male: 144,959
female: 137,333 (2009 est.)
the link is
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/as.html
Now Fred who thinks he has a big member, why don't you go and play with Barney
You are totally what I expected
Except for one thing: I know what I'm talking about, which I know for a fact you don't expect from people who disagree with you.
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PS You get all your stuff from wikipedia, and I am a dumb ***
No I don't, and yes you are.
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No I don't, and yes you are.
Why don't you try the CIA factbook, thats better
Why don't you? (For the record, the CIA is a US government agency;) )
While you're at it, learn to spell, use proper grammar, and use the interface here on the forum.
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A country that measures other countries by how many men and women they have of fighting age, hmmmmm, says a lot , don't you think
No, it doesn't say a lot. Especially because nobody's doing that.
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| A country that measures other countries by how many men and women they have of fighting age, hmmmmm, says a lot , don't you think |
No, it doesn't say a lot. Especially because nobody's doing that.
Oh by the way,I don't need a visa to get into most countries , how about you, why do you think that might be ???
1. Wrong.
2. So what?
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You are like talking the the school yard bully Your 12 right ???? What had a bad play station experience ??? Or were you invited to Michael Jackson's ranch at a young age ???
Ahem, weren't you accusing me of taking things personally?
You lying sack of dingo crap.
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| You are like talking the the school yard bully Your 12 right ???? What had a bad play station experience ??? Or were you invited to Michael Jackson's ranch at a young age ??? |
Ahem, weren't you accusing me of taking things personally?
You lying sack of dingo crap.
You are such fun to play with, I particularily like the trouble you go to
You don't understand... You're an ignorant retard. Debunking your retarded claims is easy. It's really no trouble at all. In fact, most of your claims are about things I already know pretty well, so I don't even have to look anything up to know you're full of crap.
Of course, if you think I'm wrong about something in particular, I'll happily show you how stupid you are by providing you with a link or two.
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Have you been outside the US, do they let you out ????
1. I've already answered that question, dumbass.
2. I've been to Mexico, Germany, Austria, France, Australia, Canada, Ireland and Japan. I've got plans to visit Norway in the not too distant future.
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| Have you been outside the US, do they let you out ???? |
1. I've already answered that question, dumbass.
2. I've been to Mexico, Germany, Austria, France, Australia, Canada, Ireland and Japan. I've got plans to visit Norway in the not too distant future.
I suppose if you have only worked and lived in the US, you probably know everything ,LOL
Not everything, just a hell of a lot more than you, dumbass.
So much for your lies about having any sort of college degree... But hell, your spelling and grammar proved that claim wrong before you even made it.
why don't you go off nto a corner and play with your gun
if it goes off I will personally ensure that you get a mention in the darwin awards
if it goes off I will personally ensure that you get a mention in the darwin awards
This is from the CIA factbook, since Fred Flintstone thinks that nobody is doing this
"Military branches:
Australian Defense Force (ADF): Australian Army, Royal Australian Navy, Royal Australian Air Force, Special Operations Command (2006)
Military service age and obligation:
17 years of age for voluntary military service (with parental consent); no conscription; women allowed to serve in Army combat units in non-combat support roles (2008)
Manpower available for military service:
males age 16-49: 4,999,988
females age 16-49: 4,870,043 (2008 est.)
Manpower fit for military service:
males age 16-49: 4,341,591
females age 16-49: 4,179,659 (2009 est.)
Manpower reaching militarily significant age annually:
male: 144,959
female: 137,333 (2009 est.)
the link is
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/as.html
Now Fred who thinks he has a big member, why don't you go and play with Barney
Oh PS
Fred are you still there
When you went overseas, were they bus trips, I can just imagine you,
Now on the right side we pass the Arch DE Triumph, I am not interested in that , could you just tell that girl over there that I have a large member and I am an American.
What a great ambassador just are for your nation, preoccupied with your own ****, you must make every American feel proud you are one of them, LOL
Oh by the way is it your openning line a parties, I bet you get laid alot, LOL
I bet your best friend is Missus Palmer
Fred are you still there
When you went overseas, were they bus trips, I can just imagine you,
Now on the right side we pass the Arch DE Triumph, I am not interested in that , could you just tell that girl over there that I have a large member and I am an American.
What a great ambassador just are for your nation, preoccupied with your own ****, you must make every American feel proud you are one of them, LOL
Oh by the way is it your openning line a parties, I bet you get laid alot, LOL
I bet your best friend is Missus Palmer
Oh something else
Did you notice the age range 16 to 49
Such a wonderful thought sending a 16 year old to war, a minor in fact, our Laws don't allow that.
I find that abhorrent, how arrogant are you lot
Did you notice the age range 16 to 49
Such a wonderful thought sending a 16 year old to war, a minor in fact, our Laws don't allow that.
I find that abhorrent, how arrogant are you lot
QUOTE (titor+Aug 1 2009, 07:50 PM)
why don't you go off nto a corner and play with your gun
if it goes off I will personally ensure that you get a mention in the darwin awards
How old are you, really? 13, 14?
What the hell do you think this proves? Australia has a military, I already knew that, dumbass. I've yet to disagree with anything in that.
What the hell do you think this proves? Australia has a military, I already knew that, dumbass. I've yet to disagree with anything in that.
When you went overseas, were they bus trips, I can just imagine you,
No. I see you still haven't learned to use basic grammar, yet.
Preoccupied? You're the one who keeps bringing it up. It's almost as if you're hitting on me.
Are you hitting on me?
Preoccupied? You're the one who keeps bringing it up. It's almost as if you're hitting on me.
Are you hitting on me?
Oh by the way is it your openning line a parties, I bet you get laid alot,
Used to, yeah.
Hey dumbass, the minimum age for enlistment in the US military is 18, or 17 if you will be 18 before you finish basic training.
Why do you keep telling lies?
if it goes off I will personally ensure that you get a mention in the darwin awards
How old are you, really? 13, 14?QUOTE
This is from the CIA factbook, since Fred Flintstone thinks that nobody is doing this
What the hell do you think this proves? Australia has a military, I already knew that, dumbass. I've yet to disagree with anything in that.
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What the hell do you think this proves? Australia has a military, I already knew that, dumbass. I've yet to disagree with anything in that.
When you went overseas, were they bus trips, I can just imagine you,
No. I see you still haven't learned to use basic grammar, yet.
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What a great ambassador just are for your nation, preoccupied with your own ****, you must make every American feel proud you are one of them,
Preoccupied? You're the one who keeps bringing it up. It's almost as if you're hitting on me.
Are you hitting on me?
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| What a great ambassador just are for your nation, preoccupied with your own ****, you must make every American feel proud you are one of them, |
Preoccupied? You're the one who keeps bringing it up. It's almost as if you're hitting on me.
Are you hitting on me?
Oh by the way is it your openning line a parties, I bet you get laid alot,
Used to, yeah.
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Oh something else Did you notice the age range 16 to 49 Such a wonderful thought sending a 16 year old to war, a minor in fact, our Laws don't allow that. I find that abhorrent, how arrogant are you lot
Hey dumbass, the minimum age for enlistment in the US military is 18, or 17 if you will be 18 before you finish basic training.
Why do you keep telling lies?
go and check the CIA factbook wanker, it says 16-49 your governments agencies words
They are not my words they are that of an American
This is what it says about United States
Manpower available for military service:
males age 16-49: 72,715,332
females age 16-49: 71,638,785 (2008 est.)
Manpower fit for military service:
males age 16-49: 59,764,677
females age 16-49: 59,437,663 (2009 est.)
Manpower reaching militarily significant age annually:
male: 2,196,124
female: 2,085,085 (2009 est.)
Why do you think is says 16-49
I my country it is also 18, I believe you when you say that it is 18 in the US as well.
But why do the CIA think differently, whats your thoughts
Here's the link check it for yourself
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/us.html
But of course I know nothing
They are not my words they are that of an American
This is what it says about United States
Manpower available for military service:
males age 16-49: 72,715,332
females age 16-49: 71,638,785 (2008 est.)
Manpower fit for military service:
males age 16-49: 59,764,677
females age 16-49: 59,437,663 (2009 est.)
Manpower reaching militarily significant age annually:
male: 2,196,124
female: 2,085,085 (2009 est.)
Why do you think is says 16-49
I my country it is also 18, I believe you when you say that it is 18 in the US as well.
But why do the CIA think differently, whats your thoughts
Here's the link check it for yourself
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/us.html
But of course I know nothing
QUOTE (titor+Aug 1 2009, 11:00 PM)
go and check the CIA factbook wanker, it says 16-49 your governments agencies words
They are not my words they are that of an American
You are such an idiot!
The manpower available for military service includes everyone in a country who could conceivably be pressed into duty under extreme circumstances.
http://armycomrel.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/arm...li=&p_topview=1
But of course I know nothing
Hey! You finally got something right!
They are not my words they are that of an American
You are such an idiot!
The manpower available for military service includes everyone in a country who could conceivably be pressed into duty under extreme circumstances.
http://armycomrel.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/arm...li=&p_topview=1
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Question
What are the ages a person can be to enlist in the Army?
Answer
By federal law (10 U.S.C., 505), the minimum age for enlistment in the United States Army is 17 (with parental consent) and the current maximum age is 42.
What are the ages a person can be to enlist in the Army?
Answer
By federal law (10 U.S.C., 505), the minimum age for enlistment in the United States Army is 17 (with parental consent) and the current maximum age is 42.
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But of course I know nothing
Hey! You finally got something right!
QUOTE (titor+Aug 1 2009, 11:00 PM)
go and check the CIA factbook wanker, it says 16-49 your governments agencies words
They are not my words they are that of an American
This is what it says about United States
Manpower available for military service:
males age 16-49: 72,715,332
females age 16-49: 71,638,785 (2008 est.)
Manpower fit for military service:
males age 16-49: 59,764,677
females age 16-49: 59,437,663 (2009 est.)
Manpower reaching militarily significant age annually:
male: 2,196,124
female: 2,085,085 (2009 est.)
Why do you think is says 16-49
I my country it is also 18, I believe you when you say that it is 18 in the US as well.
But why do the CIA think differently, whats your thoughts
Here's the link check it for yourself
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/us.html
But of course I know nothing
This is from the CIA factbook, idiot.
All you quoted were the population stats. Since the above info immediately preceded the portion you cut and pasted, I have to assume you're simply a lying piece of sh*t.
From the US Code:
Under 10 U.S.C., 505:
The minimum age for enlistment into the US military is 17.5 years with parental consent, 18 years without.
The Department of Defense (DOD) allows services to set lower recruitment maximum ages, as follows:
Army 42
Army Reserves 42
Air Force 27
Air Force Reserve 34
Navy 34
Naval Reserves 39
Marines 28
Marine Corps Reserve 29
Coast Guard 27
They are not my words they are that of an American
This is what it says about United States
Manpower available for military service:
males age 16-49: 72,715,332
females age 16-49: 71,638,785 (2008 est.)
Manpower fit for military service:
males age 16-49: 59,764,677
females age 16-49: 59,437,663 (2009 est.)
Manpower reaching militarily significant age annually:
male: 2,196,124
female: 2,085,085 (2009 est.)
Why do you think is says 16-49
I my country it is also 18, I believe you when you say that it is 18 in the US as well.
But why do the CIA think differently, whats your thoughts
Here's the link check it for yourself
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/us.html
But of course I know nothing
This is from the CIA factbook, idiot.
QUOTE
Military service age and obligation:
18 years of age (17 years of age with parental consent) for male and female voluntary service; maximum enlistment age 42 (Army), 27 (Air Force), 34 (Navy), 28 (Marines); service obligation 8 years, including 2-5 years active duty (Army), 2 years active (Navy), 4 years active (Air Force, Marines) (2008)
18 years of age (17 years of age with parental consent) for male and female voluntary service; maximum enlistment age 42 (Army), 27 (Air Force), 34 (Navy), 28 (Marines); service obligation 8 years, including 2-5 years active duty (Army), 2 years active (Navy), 4 years active (Air Force, Marines) (2008)
All you quoted were the population stats. Since the above info immediately preceded the portion you cut and pasted, I have to assume you're simply a lying piece of sh*t.
From the US Code:
Under 10 U.S.C., 505:
The minimum age for enlistment into the US military is 17.5 years with parental consent, 18 years without.
The Department of Defense (DOD) allows services to set lower recruitment maximum ages, as follows:
Army 42
Army Reserves 42
Air Force 27
Air Force Reserve 34
Navy 34
Naval Reserves 39
Marines 28
Marine Corps Reserve 29
Coast Guard 27
what I posted wanker was from the military section
Not from the population specs
Anyone else can check
So why does it say from 16-49, whats your answer
Not from the population specs
Anyone else can check
So why does it say from 16-49, whats your answer
Alex, go through (if you can stand to) and read this idiot's claims...
This isn't the first blatantly false claim he's made. He claims to have degrees in Material Science and Mathematics, (yet he can't even spell or use proper grammar). He claims the US doesn't have any welfare or medicare system, that the US goes to war only to steal oil or "because they're there", that Australia has no homelessness, that he speaks three languages, that all Americans are selfish and egocentric, that the US government doesn't guarantee any fairness among citizens, that "Get fuсked" is an American idiom, that the US only judges another country's worth by how many military-aged people it has, that Australians don't need visas to travel internationally, that Australia doesn't have self-defense or defense-of-property laws, and a few others I'm sure I missed.
I haven't seen one person spew out this much BS since Cusa got banned!
This isn't the first blatantly false claim he's made. He claims to have degrees in Material Science and Mathematics, (yet he can't even spell or use proper grammar). He claims the US doesn't have any welfare or medicare system, that the US goes to war only to steal oil or "because they're there", that Australia has no homelessness, that he speaks three languages, that all Americans are selfish and egocentric, that the US government doesn't guarantee any fairness among citizens, that "Get fuсked" is an American idiom, that the US only judges another country's worth by how many military-aged people it has, that Australians don't need visas to travel internationally, that Australia doesn't have self-defense or defense-of-property laws, and a few others I'm sure I missed.
I haven't seen one person spew out this much BS since Cusa got banned!
QUOTE (titor+Aug 1 2009, 11:21 PM)
what I posted wanker was from the military section
Not from the population specs
Anyone else can check
So why does it say from 16-49, whats your answer
It was from the military section, and gave the population stats for 16-49 year olds. It does not say that is the legal age of military service. In fact, it specifically says :
Military service age and obligation:
18 years of age (17 years of age with parental consent) for male and female voluntary service; maximum enlistment age 42 (Army), 27 (Air Force), 34 (Navy), 28 (Marines); service obligation 8 years, including 2-5 years active duty (Army), 2 years active (Navy), 4 years active (Air Force, Marines) (2008)
That's the part you left out, you lying douche bag.
I've seen them. This is just another a$$hole.
Not from the population specs
Anyone else can check
So why does it say from 16-49, whats your answer
It was from the military section, and gave the population stats for 16-49 year olds. It does not say that is the legal age of military service. In fact, it specifically says :
Military service age and obligation:
18 years of age (17 years of age with parental consent) for male and female voluntary service; maximum enlistment age 42 (Army), 27 (Air Force), 34 (Navy), 28 (Marines); service obligation 8 years, including 2-5 years active duty (Army), 2 years active (Navy), 4 years active (Air Force, Marines) (2008)
That's the part you left out, you lying douche bag.
QUOTE
Alex, go through (if you can stand to) and read this idiot's claims...
I've seen them. This is just another a$$hole.
would it make t easier to demonise me if is were mexican
QUOTE (titor+Aug 1 2009, 11:37 PM)
would it make t easier to demonise me if is were mexican
Nothing could possibly make it any easier to demonize you, after your posts here, you complete retard!
Nothing could possibly make it any easier to demonize you, after your posts here, you complete retard!
QUOTE (titor+Aug 1 2009, 11:37 PM)
would it make t easier to demonise me if is were mexican
No, you're a stupid enough schmuck so that it's no problem at all.
No, you're a stupid enough schmuck so that it's no problem at all.
America is held to a high standard,with much higher to go, all problems amplified. The fact you could live in either country and say what you have said, says much. There are serious undercurrents of materialism but, can you have the machine without the monster at this juncture. We do need to take better care of each other. The natural selection due to survival of the fittist in capatalism does cause violent sways. It is a diverse place with much to sort. I dare say you have sorting of your own. Maybee we can sort together properly, not through rediculas neverending conflict on who is right, seeing how we are all spinning on a tiny little ball flying through space in the same direction and all.
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