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corey_phillips
It seems that with Ajax, Microsoft is sneering again. They are looking down and saying this Web 2.0 and their "frameworks" haven't a clue. Ruby on Rails, the new Zend thing, they are humor to Microsoft.
Zephir
QUOTE (corey_phillips+May 14 2006, 10:47 PM)
It seems that with Ajax, Microsoft is sneering again....

In fact, Microsoft has a long tradition in reach web client technologies development. Don't forget, most of current technologies (DHTML & XML Databinding, scriptlets components, vector 2D, even 3D graphics and multimedia filters) were first used in Microsoft browsers.
Thomas L.
A few interesting facts about web 2.0:


-it is not real time in the sense of server sends info to client constantly as its gathered (con),
-it was first possible using Microsoft Internet explorers iframe object (pro for Microsoft),
-the web itself is very open sourced. Microsoft has been very closed about its source since it began which makes Microsoft at its core opposed to the web (although they may not show it) (con for Microsoft),
-Microsoft's activex controls if used with trusted developers can easily do so much more then web2.0 easily which might make Microsoft think that the whole web2.0 is just lesser developers trying to find ways around using Microsoft's technology (which would piss me off if I was Microsoft...)
-Microsoft is still at a war with google who uses web2.0 very successfully with its google earth which once again would piss me off if I was Microsoft...


then again these are all just guesses because I am not Microsoft nor am I google or yahoo.

Thomas_L
forgive my inaccuracy...

Microsoft does not dislike the web... but more like "is wary of the threats that lie therein"

bob_c
What "Web 2.0" really is:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/ti...-is-web-20.html

Combine this with reading on federated database search engines and the Semantic Web and you will have an idea of what is going on. The folks who talk about it in the opinion areas sure don't.

These are gradual changes mandated by changing use patterns. As usual, people involved in commerce are going to try to channel it in a profitable fashion. I think the important thing is to keep perspective on what is going on and to try to follow positive changes as they occur.

Hey doesn't anybody here use any of the new deep web stuff from Sandia, Oak Ridge, or the Navy or one of the cute DNA tools that uses multiple online sources? That's what I think is really cooking Web 2.0 wise.

The Ajax framework is cool. But irrelevant except to the extent that it allows really fast development. As development accelerates, a top-down approach begins to fall behind further and further. But that's the essence of Web 2.0, isn't it? It's all about the users.

But then I sponsor an autonomous worker's collective so what would I know?
corey_phillips
When I think of Ajax, I think about the 3/4's of Plato's Republic I read. Then I think about how Bill Gates' face is certainly 100% Anglo Saxon according to faceanalyzer.com. Before my wonder of that sites present existance preoccupies me enough to remind me of my former closed fisted therapist's comforting remarks about the evolutionary advantage of ADD while gloating at my ignorance of her condescention through mastery of closed fisted masterbatory technique that just so happens to be her special way of enforcing decay with maximum efficiency, I remember that I am from New Orleans and my soul is a case study before it is spam. I'm too ashamed to be a spammer. This is science.
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