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whats so special about iron that causes stars to explode? and when the star collapses, why does it blow up?
Latrosicarius
Iron does not cause stars to explode.

The reason iron is mentioned is that, a dense star can fuse elements all the way up to iron.

Depending on how dense it is, it can go:

H --> He --> C --> Ne --> O --> Si --> Fe

It will not go past iron because iron has the highest nuclear binding energy of all elements. (actually, 2 isotopes of iron [Fe-58 & Fe-56] ; and one of nickel [Ni-62])

That means, these elements are the most stable elements possible in a fusion reaction.

It has to do with the arrangements of protons, neutrons, and electrons, and the strength of their electrostatic attractions due to their proximity and orientation to one another in and around the nucleus.

Smaller atoms are not held together as strongly, and larger atoms are too big and bulky and unstable to be as tight.

So, because all other atoms have a lesser binding energy than iron, no two iron atoms can fuse into anything higher without inputting more energy than is release. That means the process absorbs energy instead of releasing it, and it will only happen when there is a huge amount of energy such as a supernova. Only then do we get elements higher than iron.

But the supernova is not caused by iron. There are several types of supernova, but the type II may occur on a star with an iron core, and in that process, because there is not enough energy to fuse the inert core, the gravitational energy causes the matter to degenerate (a.k.a a core collapse), and as the center of the core implodes into a neutron star, there is a rebound effect which blows off the outer material.
uaafanblog
QUOTE (Latrosicarius+Apr 17 2008, 07:33 PM)
Iron does not cause stars to explode.

The reason iron is mentioned is that, a dense star can fuse elements all the way up to iron.

Depending on how dense it is, it can go:

H --> He --> C --> Ne --> O --> Si --> Fe

It will not go past iron because iron has the highest nuclear binding energy of all elements. (actually, 2 isotopes of iron [Fe-58 & Fe-56] ; and one of nickel [Ni-62])

That means, these elements are the most stable elements possible in a fusion reaction.

It has to do with the arrangements of protons, neutrons, and electrons, and the strength of their electrostatic attractions due to their proximity and orientation to one another in and around the nucleus.

Smaller atoms are not held together as strongly, and larger atoms are too big and bulky and unstable to be as tight.

So, because all other atoms have a lesser binding energy than iron, no two iron atoms can fuse into anything higher without inputting more energy than is release. That means the process absorbs energy instead of releasing it, and it will only happen when there is a huge amount of energy such as a supernova. Only then do we get elements higher than iron.

But the supernova is not caused by iron. There are several types of supernova, but the type II may occur on a star with an iron core, and in that process, because there is not enough energy to fuse the inert core, the gravitational energy causes the matter to degenerate (a.k.a a core collapse), and as the center of the core implodes into a neutron star, there is a rebound effect which blows off the outer material.

I think according to established theories of nucleosynthesis that ALL elements are a product of fusion.

Not that I'm a subscriber to that ... but it is the prevailing/accepted theory.
Harry Costas
Hello All



Fe is very special

All elements fuse upto Fe and all elements that are produced heavier than Fe fission down to Fe.

Fe keeps on growing during the age of the sun.

Over billions of years the Fe amount becomes huge.

Through the process of photo disintergation fission endothermic chain reactions the Fe is broken down to He than to H and than to Neutrons. Neutrons are sucked into the core and compact.This sudden movement collapses the solar envelope.

in addition

But! along this path He and H and other elements will fuse and give off extreme chain reactions that feeds energy to the solar envelope.

So via the collapse of the solar envelope and the rebound and the chain of fusion reactions the solar envelope explodes.

So!!!!!!!!!! Fe plays an important part.

[7.0] Fission, Fusion, & Synthesis Of The Elements
http://www.vectorsite.net/tpqm_07.html

Hydrogen burning and the proton-proton chain
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~drabin/Lecture14.htm

Photodisintegration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodisintegration

If you want more just let me know.

Latrosicarius
QUOTE (uaafanblog+Apr 18 2008, 01:30 AM)
ALL elements are a product of fusion.

Correct, all elements, except hydrogen come from fusion.

A star's natural tendency is to cool. (any body of mass, really) The only reason they sustain their high temperatures is because fusion of elements below iron is an exothermic reaction. It releases energy, which in turn creates more heat, which in turn ensures further fusion.

But elements greater than iron cannot be fused in the core of a star. Fusing higher than iron is an endothermic reaction.. That is, it does not release energy.. it absorbs energy.

Therefore a self-sustaining fusion cycle cannot occur, and any fusion of iron will cease because it doesn't release heat to ensure continued fusion conditions.

Elements higher than iron will not sustain fusion on their own, but they CAN fuse. It will only happen when there is an excess of energy to be put into the process, such as during a supernova.

That is why the hope for creating fusion on earth is to surpass the "break-even" scenario. That means, we put a lot of energy INTO the hydrogen to get it to START fusing, but once it does, it is an exothermic reaction--- it releases so much energy, we can stop heating it because it heats itself. In other-words, once fusion is going, it is a "run-away" cycle that can continue fusion until all the fuel is used up.

--- but only elements smaller than iron. Iron is too stable and requires too much energy. More energy has to go into iron to get it to fuse than will come out. So it WILL fuse, but it will not be self-sustaining, so it will stop quickly.
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