http://www.physorg.com/news108449464.html
I predicted many many years ago that internet bandwidth directly effected by slow bandwidth energy hogging disk drives would bring the internet to its knees.
Just the beginning,,,,stay tuned.
Time Warner Cable is doing the same thing with it's Road Runner service, I downloaded the bioshock demo and it was about 1.89 Gbs and now my internet randomly shuts off for like 5 hours a day.
It's ridiculous, I'm already paying an overpriced internet bill, and I can't even use my internet half of the time when I need to....
It's ridiculous, I'm already paying an overpriced internet bill, and I can't even use my internet half of the time when I need to....
QUOTE (holoman+Sep 9 2007, 10:47 AM)
I predicted many many years ago that internet bandwidth directly effected by slow bandwidth energy hogging disk drives would bring the internet to its knees.
Hogwash.
The linked article has NOTHING to do with your post.
Your prediction, MANY MANY years ago has been shown to be WRONG (on oh so many levels)
The absolute bandwidth of the Internet CONTINUES to climb and the access to the internet continues to increase both in sites and locations and the connnection speed at each of the acess points continues to climb.
If I wanted to I could EASILY stay connected to the internet almost 24/7, even while travelling, and almost always at broadband speeds.
Arthur
Hogwash.
The linked article has NOTHING to do with your post.
Your prediction, MANY MANY years ago has been shown to be WRONG (on oh so many levels)
The absolute bandwidth of the Internet CONTINUES to climb and the access to the internet continues to increase both in sites and locations and the connnection speed at each of the acess points continues to climb.
If I wanted to I could EASILY stay connected to the internet almost 24/7, even while travelling, and almost always at broadband speeds.
Arthur
So 1,000 songs or 4 feature films. That's about 3.5 GB a day. So 100 GB a month is crazy download hogging?????? ZOMG! I download like a terabyte a month of various junk that mostly gets deleted.
Any internet provider who can't handle it needs to stop being an internet provide and sell out to someone who has brains. This 'Internet Crisis' can be completely averted if the companies would just put up more servers, lines, and whatever else they have to, NOT THAT HARD! companies like comcast and time warner, oh PLEASE! they got the money to do it easy, they need to shut up and do it!
And to frank Willow who said their internet gets shut off for like 5 hours a day you might want to call them and tell em something wrong with your internet cuz they can't shut you off without telling you about it first...legally. so call em and tell em to fix it!
The day my provider tells me to slow things down is the day I apparently make them happy and switch companies and if need be get a higher plan from that other company, it rather switch and pay more than pay more to an ***hole company!
I've seen a few of these articles now and I've noticed it's only comcast who's been doing this and getting in the news about it.
Seriously, 3.5GB a day is over the limit? this is the technological age, grow some ****ing microprocessors.
Any internet provider who can't handle it needs to stop being an internet provide and sell out to someone who has brains. This 'Internet Crisis' can be completely averted if the companies would just put up more servers, lines, and whatever else they have to, NOT THAT HARD! companies like comcast and time warner, oh PLEASE! they got the money to do it easy, they need to shut up and do it!
And to frank Willow who said their internet gets shut off for like 5 hours a day you might want to call them and tell em something wrong with your internet cuz they can't shut you off without telling you about it first...legally. so call em and tell em to fix it!
The day my provider tells me to slow things down is the day I apparently make them happy and switch companies and if need be get a higher plan from that other company, it rather switch and pay more than pay more to an ***hole company!
I've seen a few of these articles now and I've noticed it's only comcast who's been doing this and getting in the news about it.
Seriously, 3.5GB a day is over the limit? this is the technological age, grow some ****ing microprocessors.
Yes adoucette, I think people seriously don't understand what the internet actually is.
adoucette,
Sorry, you just don't get it.
Comcast just said the opposite which I think validates
my comment however painful to you.
Facts speak louder than words and I think Comcast and other internet providers will follow Comcast's lead. The times are changing.
Even as Intel increase processing power in leaps and bounds you dont see
that with the hardware technology that interfaces with them.
The truth of the matter is that as disk drives offer incremental increases in their
capacity, their bandwidth improvements are pitiful.
holoman
QUOTE
Hogwash
The linked article has NOTHING to do with your post.
Your prediction, MANY MANY years ago has been shown to be WRONG (on oh so many levels)
The absolute bandwidth of the Internet CONTINUES to climb and the access to the internet continues to increase both in sites and locations and the connnection speed at each of the acess points continues to climb.
If I wanted to I could EASILY stay connected to the internet almost 24/7, even while travelling, and almost always at broadband speeds.
The linked article has NOTHING to do with your post.
Your prediction, MANY MANY years ago has been shown to be WRONG (on oh so many levels)
The absolute bandwidth of the Internet CONTINUES to climb and the access to the internet continues to increase both in sites and locations and the connnection speed at each of the acess points continues to climb.
If I wanted to I could EASILY stay connected to the internet almost 24/7, even while travelling, and almost always at broadband speeds.
Sorry, you just don't get it.
Comcast just said the opposite which I think validates
my comment however painful to you.
Facts speak louder than words and I think Comcast and other internet providers will follow Comcast's lead. The times are changing.
Even as Intel increase processing power in leaps and bounds you dont see
that with the hardware technology that interfaces with them.
The truth of the matter is that as disk drives offer incremental increases in their
capacity, their bandwidth improvements are pitiful.
holoman
QUOTE (holoman+Sep 9 2007, 12:14 PM)
adoucette,
Sorry, you just don't get it.
Comcast just said the opposite which I think validates
my comment however painful to you.
Facts speak louder than words and I think Comcast and other internet providers will follow Comcast's lead. The times are changing.
Even as Intel increase processing power in leaps and bounds you dont see
that with the hardware technology that interfaces with them.
The truth of the matter is that as disk drives offer incremental increases in their
capacity, their bandwidth improvements are pitiful.
holoman
Oh, I get it all right.
You on the other hand argue about what you know nothing about.
You said you predicted MANY MANY years ago that:
But that (almost non-sensical statement) has NOTHING to do with the article.
NOTHING.
The fact that Processor techonology does or doesn't occur at the same rate as Network capacity is also a TOTALLY irrelevent issue.
As far as the article goes, the fact that service providers may LIMIT individual users paying low RESIDENTAL usage rates to daily bandwidth usage "equivalent of 1,000 songs or four feature films a day" is a factor of the COST of bandwidth, not the lack of AVAILABILITY of bandwidth.
The fact is the absolute bandwidth of the Internet CONTINUES to climb as it keeps up with ~ an annual doubling of net traffic and the access to the internet continues to increase both in sites and locations and the connnection speed at each of the acess points continues to climb and the number of active domains = ~ 100 MILLION.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm
So, NO, you have posted NOTHING to support your "prediction".
Arthur
Sorry, you just don't get it.
Comcast just said the opposite which I think validates
my comment however painful to you.
Facts speak louder than words and I think Comcast and other internet providers will follow Comcast's lead. The times are changing.
Even as Intel increase processing power in leaps and bounds you dont see
that with the hardware technology that interfaces with them.
The truth of the matter is that as disk drives offer incremental increases in their
capacity, their bandwidth improvements are pitiful.
holoman
Oh, I get it all right.
You on the other hand argue about what you know nothing about.
You said you predicted MANY MANY years ago that:
QUOTE
slow bandwidth energy hogging disk drives would bring the internet to its knees.
But that (almost non-sensical statement) has NOTHING to do with the article.
NOTHING.
The fact that Processor techonology does or doesn't occur at the same rate as Network capacity is also a TOTALLY irrelevent issue.
As far as the article goes, the fact that service providers may LIMIT individual users paying low RESIDENTAL usage rates to daily bandwidth usage "equivalent of 1,000 songs or four feature films a day" is a factor of the COST of bandwidth, not the lack of AVAILABILITY of bandwidth.
The fact is the absolute bandwidth of the Internet CONTINUES to climb as it keeps up with ~ an annual doubling of net traffic and the access to the internet continues to increase both in sites and locations and the connnection speed at each of the acess points continues to climb and the number of active domains = ~ 100 MILLION.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm
So, NO, you have posted NOTHING to support your "prediction".
Arthur
well i used to work for comcast, the term unlimited Internet access means you can GET online whenever you want to. they people that where cut off where most likely spamers. in the contract you cant download or upload an *** load of stuff in a certain time period. and comcast does give you more than one time to stop doing that. so the people that where cut off where doing illegal downloading.
QUOTE
But that (almost non-sensical statement) has NOTHING to do with the article.
NOTHING.
The fact that Processor techonology does or doesn't occur at the same rate as Network capacity is also a TOTALLY irrelevent issue.
As far as the article goes, the fact that service providers may LIMIT individual users paying low RESIDENTAL usage rates to daily bandwidth usage "equivalent of 1,000 songs or four feature films a day" is a factor of the COST of bandwidth, not the lack of AVAILABILITY of bandwidth.
The fact is the absolute bandwidth of the Internet CONTINUES to climb as it keeps up with ~ an annual doubling of net traffic and the access to the internet continues to increase both in sites and locations and the connnection speed at each of the acess points continues to climb and the number of active domains = ~ 100 MILLION.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm
So, NO, you have posted NOTHING to support your "prediction".
NOTHING.
The fact that Processor techonology does or doesn't occur at the same rate as Network capacity is also a TOTALLY irrelevent issue.
As far as the article goes, the fact that service providers may LIMIT individual users paying low RESIDENTAL usage rates to daily bandwidth usage "equivalent of 1,000 songs or four feature films a day" is a factor of the COST of bandwidth, not the lack of AVAILABILITY of bandwidth.
The fact is the absolute bandwidth of the Internet CONTINUES to climb as it keeps up with ~ an annual doubling of net traffic and the access to the internet continues to increase both in sites and locations and the connnection speed at each of the acess points continues to climb and the number of active domains = ~ 100 MILLION.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm
So, NO, you have posted NOTHING to support your "prediction".
Arthur,
You gave the proof yourself, internet traffic and websites are expanding at
a tremendous rate. To think that the hardware needed to run the internet is NOT
important or needed and doesn't effect bandwidth efficiency,,,,hmmmm,,,kind of naive don't you think.
Since Comcast hardware cannot handle the demands of its users due to this increase says something about the demands of hardware in relationship to the
business of its user demand and the need for faster cheaper hardware.
The internet runs software that runs on hardware they are intertwined and
are starting to effect the bottom line as internet providers need to keep adding
more and more hardware. Costing more and more money which is passed
along to the customer. Reality sir.
holoman
The reality is that you again post NOTHING to support your argument.
I suspect you don't even know what you are arguing about.
Arthur
I suspect you don't even know what you are arguing about.
Arthur
Luckily for atleast some of us people like Verizon FIOS are coming..they are already in our area just not to apartments yet..
Once they are i am dropping Comcast for both internet and TV.
There's no "internet" crysis. If i download something their stupid speedburst lets me download it at 1800k/sec for like 5 seconds then throttles me down to my 768k limit..
They just want pity, oh we are so stressed what ever will we do...
Has anybody actually looked at their Comcast bill line items? I end up paying like 8 dollars in various tax's and fee's(Theres no sales tax in Oregon). And every year my bill goes up by another dollar or two...
I hope Comcast goes under and somebody buys their infrastructure.
Once they are i am dropping Comcast for both internet and TV.
There's no "internet" crysis. If i download something their stupid speedburst lets me download it at 1800k/sec for like 5 seconds then throttles me down to my 768k limit..
They just want pity, oh we are so stressed what ever will we do...
Has anybody actually looked at their Comcast bill line items? I end up paying like 8 dollars in various tax's and fee's(Theres no sales tax in Oregon). And every year my bill goes up by another dollar or two...
I hope Comcast goes under and somebody buys their infrastructure.
QUOTE
The reality is that you again post NOTHING to support your argument.
I suspect you don't even know what you are arguing about.
Arthur
I suspect you don't even know what you are arguing about.
Arthur
Arthur,
You going to have to do alot better then childish insults to make your point.
holoman
This is total crap. If an ISP has a limit, they should be selling you 100GB/month, NOT "amazing broadband, no disconnects, always on!" This is utter idiocy. If users' bandwidth is limited, it should be EXPLICITLY STATED in the terms, and the subscription package should reflect the limited nature of the service.
holoman, the only thing childish is debating with you.
Arthur
Arthur
QUOTE
1,000 songs or four feature films a day to trigger a disconnection warning.
I think that's 32GB a day. If the feature films were recorded on a dual layer disc.
That's definately abusing the system.
ISPs need to stop saying "unlimited" unless they mean it. Still, someone downloading 32+ GBs a day does seem excessive unless the movies were from a legitimate source. We need fiber optics to each home. 
QUOTE (none+Sep 9 2007, 05:05 PM)
well i used to work for comcast, the term unlimited Internet access means you can GET online whenever you want to. they people that where cut off where most likely spamers. in the contract you cant download or upload an *** load of stuff in a certain time period. and comcast does give you more than one time to stop doing that. so the people that where cut off where doing illegal downloading.
Unlimited Internet access can mean literally any type of access and umbrella's the "upload" and "download" terms. They absolutely cannot disallow me to upload or download at their rates 24/7/365, because not allowing me access to their service is a breach of paid for service.
They'll get hit with several class action lawsuits that's for sure, because no one is going to be willing to either pay more or lower their amount of access. And some small businesses will not pay to ridicules cost of pure business Internet! Who in the world would pay for a 200-300/month cable/sat bill?!?!
The cable/internet company's are just attempting to force their low paying high capacity users to, eventually, a micro-payment scheme for maximum profits.
Unlimited Internet access can mean literally any type of access and umbrella's the "upload" and "download" terms. They absolutely cannot disallow me to upload or download at their rates 24/7/365, because not allowing me access to their service is a breach of paid for service.
They'll get hit with several class action lawsuits that's for sure, because no one is going to be willing to either pay more or lower their amount of access. And some small businesses will not pay to ridicules cost of pure business Internet! Who in the world would pay for a 200-300/month cable/sat bill?!?!
The cable/internet company's are just attempting to force their low paying high capacity users to, eventually, a micro-payment scheme for maximum profits.
I wonder how much bandwidth we'll need when we have quantum computers?
Whoa!
4 movies a day..lol!
25gb a day 0_o
No wonder they are left with no alternative but to unplug such guys!
Their logic is probably that they are better off without such clients and it is true..they are better off without such clients....until they get hit by a lawsuit.
4 movies a day..lol!
25gb a day 0_o
No wonder they are left with no alternative but to unplug such guys!
Their logic is probably that they are better off without such clients and it is true..they are better off without such clients....until they get hit by a lawsuit.
I used to download about maybe 50-100gb a month a year+ ago but I dont even download much now since my dad switched to lite cable. I mostly just upload now, about 250mb files which is a pain. Just today I came down at 6 in the morning to start another upload cause I had college but the file was stuck on 600kb 
. I had to restart it again, hopefully it wont get stuck.
Dam timewarner. $50+ for highspeed cable, Id only for it since you can get anything off the internet these days otherwise f**( it.
. I had to restart it again, hopefully it wont get stuck.Dam timewarner. $50+ for highspeed cable, Id only for it since you can get anything off the internet these days otherwise f**( it.
It looks like the reacretion of local telecoms monopolies that the FTC has been allowing for the past decade or so has finally come back to haunt us. Sadly, for most of us, we get internet either through the phone lines or via our cable coaxes. The local monopolies controlling those two bandwidth paths haven't been reinvesting in infrastructure, so we now find that the fastest internet for home users are in Korea and Japan instead of here. We need to be putting in fibre as fast as we can and getting fibre down to that last mile. Instead, our telecoms people are doing nothing of the kind because they haven't got any competitors to be afraid of.
This has nothing to do with technology but with contract law. Regardless of what one would consider abusive or "to much" if Comcast signs a contract with a customer only guaranteeing a certain internet speed I don't think they should be able to cut off customers since the internet speed should be avalable 24 hours a day. I sense that Comcast will eat it when a class action lawsuit comes along.
32GB a month?! I never even broke 5GB a month when I was on campus!
That's a crap load of DLs. Can you really (and be honest) go through that kind of bandwidth with legitimate needs? Shoot, I dl illegal stuff, and I STILL couldn't use that kind of bandwidth.
That's a crap load of DLs. Can you really (and be honest) go through that kind of bandwidth with legitimate needs? Shoot, I dl illegal stuff, and I STILL couldn't use that kind of bandwidth.
QUOTE (Forrest Higgs+Sep 10 2007, 10:20 AM)
The local monopolies controlling those two bandwidth paths haven't been reinvesting in infrastructure, so we now find that the fastest internet for home users are in Korea and Japan instead of here. We need to be putting in fibre as fast as we can and getting fibre down to that last mile. Instead, our telecoms people are doing nothing of the kind because they haven't got any competitors to be afraid of.
Do you even have any idea how much larger America is than Korea?! Covering Korea or Japan in fiber is easy; it's not NEARLY so easy here. The problem is simply that we're waaaaaay larger physically than any other fiber using nation (since we use it from coast to coast, not just in large cites like China or some others), and we have multiple broadcom companies. How are you going to lay a comprehensive network and make everyone share? Broadcoms don't like that. It's a logistical nightmare, and that's why it hasn't happened yet.
Do you even have any idea how much larger America is than Korea?! Covering Korea or Japan in fiber is easy; it's not NEARLY so easy here. The problem is simply that we're waaaaaay larger physically than any other fiber using nation (since we use it from coast to coast, not just in large cites like China or some others), and we have multiple broadcom companies. How are you going to lay a comprehensive network and make everyone share? Broadcoms don't like that. It's a logistical nightmare, and that's why it hasn't happened yet.
More stupid crazy stuff you dumb ***** customers will allow them to get away with ! when you signed your cable or internet agreement did it say your limited to blah blah blah bandwidth daily?
this is really a crappy story I hated to read about it.
And upgrade your bandwidth pipeline and your crappy comcast customer services, timewarner also!
this is really a crappy story I hated to read about it.
And upgrade your bandwidth pipeline and your crappy comcast customer services, timewarner also!
Brilliantly articulated Argitroth.
If you can't deal with the pressure, leave the business. And the day my isp tells me to limit my limitless connection is the day I walk.
It's just that simple.
When will big companies understand that the quality of service means hella more than the quantity. Meaning, lay more lines, insert more servers and I may willfully pay more. Be a cheap bast**d and "Warn" me to stop and well, I'll cheer your demise from your competitor.
If you can't deal with the pressure, leave the business. And the day my isp tells me to limit my limitless connection is the day I walk.
It's just that simple.
When will big companies understand that the quality of service means hella more than the quantity. Meaning, lay more lines, insert more servers and I may willfully pay more. Be a cheap bast**d and "Warn" me to stop and well, I'll cheer your demise from your competitor.
Insufficient Data!
To the folks who were cutoff...
Please post your bandwidth utilization reports and state what tools you used to monitor your download/upload rate and totals.
Are you aware that using Peer to Peer file sharing programs installed on your PC use huge amounts of your band width. Have you considered that there might be programs installed on your PC using bandwidth that you are not aware of? If anyone gets curtailed Internet services then you have to look at your bandwidth data. There are several free network monitoring software out there. Or you can install an appliance to do it. Either way you need to get your numbers before challenging your ISP. Otherwise you are wasting your breath.
Please post your data and source if you are going to post on this board.
To the folks who were cutoff...
Please post your bandwidth utilization reports and state what tools you used to monitor your download/upload rate and totals.
Are you aware that using Peer to Peer file sharing programs installed on your PC use huge amounts of your band width. Have you considered that there might be programs installed on your PC using bandwidth that you are not aware of? If anyone gets curtailed Internet services then you have to look at your bandwidth data. There are several free network monitoring software out there. Or you can install an appliance to do it. Either way you need to get your numbers before challenging your ISP. Otherwise you are wasting your breath.
Please post your data and source if you are going to post on this board.
I dropped my Comcast Cable Internet access when I moved into a high density area. I got DSL and think its a superior residential access option (as long as the Technicians can find you a decent set of wires to get you connected into the neighborhood NOC.) Comcast is advertising a quality of service they simply cannot deliver.
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