I've never heard a rational reason why to punish all of mankind because of the 'sin' of Adam and Eve. I've listened to many versions of the reason, but none of it is rational. If you were to put the salient parts of the story in simple terms, you would have this:
1) Adam and Eve are living in the Garden of Eden. The garden is beautiful. The trees/plants are lovely. The fruit is delicious.
2) God puts the most beautiful tree in a prominent place in the garden. He instructs his children to not eat the fruit, even though he has assured that this is the best cookie jar in the garden.
3) Of prime importance, Adam and Eve comply
4) Not being satisfied, God forces the issue. He creates the serpent; a creature of guile and deceit, a wolf in sheep's clothing; in short, a villain.
5) This villain apparently has only one purpose: to hoodwink the innocent, naive couple. Like most con artists that prey on the unsuspecting, the serpent eventually wins out.
6) For their first and only act of disobedience, they are banished, made to suffer and die, and most especially,
7) All their innocent progeny, for all time, are similarly condemned.
There are some important issues here if one looks more closely. Firstly, mankind never created the first evil. That was done by God in the creation of the serpent. We do not read of a single virtue that the serpent has. The serpent is purely evil, for it already knows the consequences of what it is perpetrating. In fact, it would have had to eat the fruit itself to have had the knowledge of good and evil in order to commit evil, and yet in Eden it remains, unbanished.
This serpent was very dangerous for Adam and Eve. Rather than protecting His children from danger, God actually created danger, exposed them to it, and then withdrew His presence. Naive people can make mistakes; Adam and Eve did, and God reacted violently, dramatically. Among many other observations, it can be seen that God either has no control of His creations, and therefore His world, and expresses His anger and frustration over it, or God already expected/pre-ordained
it, in which case He either could not effect a better solution to His prescience, or He was OK with what he was about to perpetrate. I use the term 'perpetrate' because that term is commonly associated with criminal acts...
If a parent did to their children what God did to Adam and Eve, they would be tried convicted and jailed. Moreover, sane parents wouldn't think of endangering their babies, especially when it means certain death. You go to jail for that. Additionally, if your children have already complied with your request to not touch the cookie jar, would you then bring a dangerous stranger into your home, and then leave them on their own
, knowing that if they are successfully hoodwinked, it means their banishment, suffering, and death?
So what exactly was
the first sin then?
Who created Danger
Who put their children in that danger? God.
Who was the first murderer? God, not man, invented death.
Where did suffering and pestilence come from? God.
All this, from one act of disobedience. And all the future crimes that man was to commit were but his own rehashings of what God did to them; acts of hatred inconceivable for Adam and Eve to perpetrate. They didn't cheat, lie, or murder. They disobeyed, and admitted it. But through God, they and all their progeny learned crime, as life in a now frightening world caved to it for survival.
When the furtive and successful effort to present the horrid acts that exist in North Korea was done, a particularly atrocious act came to light; one that the world hadn't known: in North Korea, if a person is convicted of a crime, not only that person, but all their family, and even their extended family, all go to jail. This was considered the most reprehensible thing of everything that was discovered there, because it involved imprisoning innocent people, an act that the American Justice System calls "the most unconscionable crime of all".
And this most unconscionable crime is the basis
for the mechanic of Christianity.
So we have a Creator who committed the first, and at the time, the only
sins there were: 1) creating a villain, 2)endangering the welfare of children, and condemning all who came after to suffering and death - in other words, torture and murder. All this came from God alone.
But if we ask Christian Authority how all this can be justified, basically you get:
1) It's part of the Mystery of God, whose acts we do not have the wisdom to understand, and
2) Using our own ration and reason to make sense of this, is 'of the devil'.
And since none of it makes any sense, we must have faith
instead of reason, because faith is of God, which we are not allowed to understand, and reason is of the devil, which is all we have to co-exist in a successfully workable way. We are said to be created "in God's image and likeness", yet the logic and rationality that we inherited is "of the devil".
When was the last time you murdered your children for a single act of disobedience? Yet if you didn't, the reasoning that influenced your decision is of the devil.
"Do as I say, but not as I do". Never has this been truer than when applying it to God.
Most ironically, Jesus teaches us to act nothing like God acted, in order to get back to God.
Is it any wonder that there is such religious maelstrom among the faithful?
Is it any wonder so many people are opting out of this?
There are some new posters here newguy, so I am presenting my view to them as you are. It's available to be refuted.
Thanks for writing that down.