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Iesous
This is about the debate on Intelligent Design Debate something I found:

Consider This and please remember this is just the same number in dif bases

Intelligent Design 1 and z

base 36 ID1
base 35 JEW
base 34 KJV
base 33 LS4

JEW Book 1
KJV Book 2
LS4 Book 3 (Latter-Day Saints) remember the debate about the
Book of Mormon being written in the same form of the KJV Bible claims that it was just a copy - doubt it's a copy.

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base 36 ISOG "Is Son Of God" see little note below
base 34 MALE

Just a little note the word SON on a qwerty keyboard falls under the numbers
296
son



right column 41 the first year production year of the VW
God has a sense of humor though I don't know what to make of it as the co-creator of the VW or Peoples Car was not PC or Politically Correct.
or start with the second row first letter and go counter clockwise

ID
JE

JEDI may the Spirit be with you

I took two questions man has pondered for quite awhile and found something interesting.

Squaring the Circle (360)? (Even the word implies the function square ring)
And
Christmas is the day God chose for us to celebrate Jesus Birthday (the actual birthday is different though)?


You must first know two things check them if you like!

1. Christmas is the 360th day of the year (Leap of faith Years)
2. Jesus name in Greek is Iesous and like Hebrew letters have a value a total of 888

Now I will give you two independent equations to verify the Squaring of the Circle

3 x 296 = 888
296 x 888 = 296^2 + 296^2 + 296^2
A number times Jesus' number is the sum of squares of itself in the form of a trinity

*** remember this 296 number it comes up in 888296 base 10 to base 36 [J1EW]
1296 it is the value of the “1” which leads us to the jew base35 and ID1 base 36
ie: Jew up 1

The following is Squaring the Circle theological not mathematical
(Christmas on Leap Year the 360th day)

360^2 x 1 = 129600 (12) day
360^2 x 2 = 259200 (25) month
360^2 x 3 = 388800
360^2 x 4 = 518400
360^2 x 5 = 648000
360^2 x 6 = 777600

at first you see a cross made up of 2 888’s with a 9 at the top the 9 is remnant of the last (as in digit as in Jesus)
One might think an 8 would be more concrete proof. Jesus can help us with that we know He is the first and the last
360^2 x 2 = 259200

25 9 200 divide the first into the last 200/25 is 8

you may say that this is a nice random pattern and means nothing again Jesus can help us with this.
I am in the father and he is in me the first number has quite an interesting property
129600 a 296 in a 100 (% if you like to think of it that way)
That takes us to the two Equations above.
But a code must have a final verification so looking to the last number one may think
ah 777 just lucky … no but God loves Irony as in a stalemate irony lessens the load.
Now we once took the first into the last now we take the last into the first

777 / 600 = 1,295 we use a comma to separate trinities of numbers so collect (add) the trinities

295
+ 1
-----
296

We end with what we started with

888296
8 x 8 x 8 x 2 x 9 x 6 = 55,296
55,296 marriage of the trinities (multiply)
55 x 296 = 16,280
16,280 collect of the trinities (add)
280
+16
---
296
... well maybe a little more faith!

New Addition

Pi divided by 296 is 0.010613 the 10613 decimal is the Number GOD base 25
Look up the first river coming from Eden it is Pison or Pi Son.
Remember that 10 is the first set of Commandments and 613 the last set of Commandments or Mitzvot from Moses to the Jewish people. Together 10613
888 from base 17 to base 10 is 314 in the image of Pi. If you check some of my past posts I go into Pi with a little more detail


Now for the base 34 male this was found from a number which had
34 MAL5 i replaced 5 with the fith letter E
one of the bases had the value of a8885

I was born 888b base 17 which is on the 17th and the 107th day to be exact and a really odd link to Pi as well as Two Storms of the century 1888 and 1993 but why sweat the little stuff. L8er
Greg

Refs
The number 888296 in various Numeral Systems
Base Representation
2: 11011000110111101000
3: 1200010111212
4: 3120313220
5: 211411141
6: 31012252
7: 10356533
8: 3306750
9: 1603455
10: 888296
11: 557432
12: 36A088
13: 251426
14: 191A1A
15: 1282EB
16: D8DE8
17: AADBC
18: 885BE
19: 6F9C8
20: 5B0EG
21: 4BJ5H
22: 3H972
23: 3404D
24: 2G648
25: 26L6L
26: 1OE16
27: 1I3DN
28: 1CD0O
29: 17C6Q
30: 12QTQ
31: TPAM
32: R3F8
33: ONN2
34: MKEC
35: KP4V
36: J1EW

The 1 in J1EW is in the 3rd position have a value of 36^2 x 1 = 1,296

that's a 296 in the beginning 888296 and
a 296 in the end J1EW

so I moved the word Jew up "1"

The number 23797 in various Numeral Systems
Base Representation
2: 101110011110101
3: 1012122101
4: 11303311
5: 1230142
6: 302101
7: 126244
8: 56365
9: 35571
10: 23797
11: 16974
12: 11931
13: AAA7
14: 895B
15: 70B7
16: 5CF5
17: 4E5E
18: 4181
19: 38H9
20: 2J9H
21: 2BK4
22: 253F
23: 1LMF
24: 1H7D
25: 1D1M
26: 1957
27: 15HA
28: 129P
29: S8H
30: QD7
31: ONK
32: N7L
33: LS4
34: KJV
35: JEW
36: ID1


FYI
Merry Christmas
Iesous
Guest
Just what specific variety of Loon do you happen to be?
Nessus
A merry xmas back to you too.
Iesous
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 18 2005, 07:31 PM)
Just what specific variety of Loon do you happen to be?


I am

the kind of loon that can not fly ask me again and I'll tell you Why.

Hey Grumpy

Happy Holiday's

Greg

If you can't see these things are linked I can not help you.

Maybe if you use a flow chart

use 888 then use 296 list the comonalities

I don't mind doing the footwork but do I really need to hold you hand around the Number Bases?
GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Nessus+Dec 18 2005, 03:33 PM)
A merry xmas back to you too.


Iesous,

So instead of following the myth of the xian religion, you follow the pseudo-science of numerology. And that is applicable to a board that addresses science because?
Iesous
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 18 2005, 10:26 PM)
QUOTE (Nessus+Dec 18 2005, 03:33 PM)
A merry xmas back to you too.


Iesous,

So instead of following the myth of the xian religion, you follow the pseudo-science of numerology. And that is applicable to a board that addresses science because?

It is like Fibonacci and Lucas numbers ... in that .... if you investigated the relationship between these numbers you might learn something new but calling it numerology I doubt you will investigate. It might be to much work for you as it requires you to explore things which are new and outside of the box. Most people aren't that aware ...I was hoping to find people with curiosity here but mostly I find disdain. It's alright if you want to call it numerology but if you don't get it tell me why do you bother replying and don't give me that debate stuff. No one has debated me on any thing I have written it's about the math and the alignment and the multiple ways of saying the same thing.

Sorry but Phi Pi Log E Fib Lucas Kaprekar Ulam spiral and All of Maths is just numerology if you want to use a basic term.

I could see if you brought up a point but nobody ever does I use a very unique set of numbers that have mathematical and visual and percieved ties.

I show you one thing a 296 and 888 show you something unique to Jesus a cross made out of the very numbers of his name.

Then I put the two numbers together 888296 and in the last number base for the Capital English letters I show you the word/number J1EW the 1 having the same value as the 360^2x1/100 1,296 then I take a logical step up 1 as if their was a God who created all of this just so I could show you their was a design

But instead of investigating what I have shown you I feel like I am talking with a child who doesn't know how to argue so just keeps shouting Numerology.

Show me the relationships from my work you think is numerology and I will try to address it for you.

You have ID debate on this site my form of debate is math using numbers and bases and primes and so far all I get for an arguement is a bumbling numerology!

Night
Greg
Greg
Iesous
I see from you sig old time radio my dad was in the business.

We don't need to talk I sure as you know you already know every thing!

Congradulations.

I'll let you win I will not respond to you directly again Numerology Yea that's it.

Bye Bye
Grumpy
Idiosieus

Your numbers have no meaning and the purpose of your posts is to try to show your supposed secret knowledge of hidden meanings which are just vapors rising in your empty head. They annoy those of us who really do know everything, but that is probably why you do it.

Grumpy cool.gif
GeneSplicer
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It is like Fibonacci and Lucas numbers ... in that .... if you investigated the relationship between these numbers you might learn something new but calling it numerology I doubt you will investigate. It might be to much work for you as it requires you to explore things which are new and outside of the box.


Oh no, not another “outside the box” guy.

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It is like Fibonacci and Lucas numbers ... in that .... if you investigated the relationship between these numbers you might learn something new but calling it numerology I doubt you will investigate. It might be to much work for you as it requires you to explore things which are new and outside of the box.


Oh no, not another “outside the box” guy.

Most people aren't that aware ...I was hoping to find people with curiosity here but mostly I find disdain. It's alright if you want to call it numerology but if you don't get it tell me why do you bother replying and don't give me that debate stuff.


So you think you are more intelligent that most, sorta got that from your earlier posts. Curiosity you will find, but not gullibility.

I bothered replying just as my reply stated. Why post pseudoscience on par with alchemy and astrology on a board that is designed to discuss science? Castigating those who see what you preach as an idea abandoned by science and rational thought is not the course normally taken by those seeking to “enlighten” others.

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But instead of investigating what I have shown you I feel like I am talking with a child who doesn't know how to argue so just keeps shouting Numerology.


Yes, and again I get that you think you are intellectually superior to all here. You keep missing the point. If what you are pushing in not numerology, then what is it? You are trying to investigate the mystical and nonsensical via use of numbers and any relationship created to support via circular reasoning the myth and your mathematics.

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But instead of investigating what I have shown you I feel like I am talking with a child who doesn't know how to argue so just keeps shouting Numerology.


Yes, and again I get that you think you are intellectually superior to all here. You keep missing the point. If what you are pushing in not numerology, then what is it? You are trying to investigate the mystical and nonsensical via use of numbers and any relationship created to support via circular reasoning the myth and your mathematics.

Show me the relationships from my work you think is numerology and I will try to address it for you.


Just did. You are trying to address mysticism with numbers and mathematical manipulation. So you and Minister Farrakhan and anyone who wishes to embrace myth and superstition are on the same level of thought. You forget that once you mix myth and science, what you have is not longer science.

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You have ID debate on this site my form of debate is math using numbers and bases and primes and so far all I get for an arguement is a bumbling numerology!


If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck… Again, you are trying to address mystic items and notions with numbers and mathematics. This is different than numerology how?

BTW, here is the definition of the term, in case you think what you are doing is unique or misunderstood here.

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You have ID debate on this site my form of debate is math using numbers and bases and primes and so far all I get for an arguement is a bumbling numerology!


If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck… Again, you are trying to address mystic items and notions with numbers and mathematics. This is different than numerology how?

BTW, here is the definition of the term, in case you think what you are doing is unique or misunderstood here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology
Numerology is the study of the purported mystical or esoteric relationship between numbers and the character or action of physical objects and living things.

amok
Main Entry: nu·mer·ol·o·gy
Pronunciation: "nü-m&-'rä-l&-jE, "nyü-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin numerus + English -o- + -logy
: the study of the occult significance of numbers

And you do not see how what you are posting is numerology?
The second you take a matrix of numbers and see a cross, you have leapt into another realm altogether.

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But instead of investigating what I have shown you I feel like I am talking with a child who doesn't know how to argue so just keeps shouting Numerology.


Because that's what it is, you have posted the same math over and over and over again. There is no use arguing with someone when they do not understand what they are doing in the first place.

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But instead of investigating what I have shown you I feel like I am talking with a child who doesn't know how to argue so just keeps shouting Numerology.


Because that's what it is, you have posted the same math over and over and over again. There is no use arguing with someone when they do not understand what they are doing in the first place.

then I take a logical step up 1 as if their was a God who created all of this just so I could show you their was a design


So not only do you not understand that what you are doing is numerology, you also think that it is divine intervention. Interesting.

Most often if you are the only one that is able to make a conclusion, it is wrong.
GeneSplicer
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I see from you sig old time radio my dad was in the business.


I like and replay old time radio sci-fi shows on my perrcast internet radio station.

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I see from you sig old time radio my dad was in the business.


I like and replay old time radio sci-fi shows on my perrcast internet radio station.

We don't need to talk I sure as you know you already know every thing!


I have never nor would I ever claim such a thing. I simply question what you posted here.

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Congradulations.
I'll let you win I will not respond to you directly again Numerology Yea that's it.
Bye Bye


For someone with a superior intellect, you surrender rather quickly. You didn’t check out my site/podcasts and find out that I make it a hobby exposing irrational nonsense like mysticism and the like (numerology) you did you? Pity. I was interested on how you were going to defend what you did as different than numerology.

Oh, and thank you for “letting” me win. LOL. rolleyes.gif
Nessus
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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck… Again, you are trying to address mystic items and notions with numbers and mathematics. This is different than numerology how?


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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck… Again, you are trying to address mystic items and notions with numbers and mathematics. This is different than numerology how?


ARTHUR: A duck.
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEVERE: Exactly! So, logically...,
VILLAGER #1: If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of
wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore--?
VILLAGER #1: A witch!
CROWD: A witch! A duck! A duck!
BEDEVERE: We shall use my largest scales!
sinned34
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Just a little note the word SON on a qwerty keyboard falls under the numbers
296
son


So what happens if you use a Dvorak keyboard? The entire number scheme falls apart merely because I'm a wacko who wants to do something different?

Did you know that 30% of people who are murdered by serial killers ate toast for breakfast? That's why I make sure not to eat toast for breakfast! Toast is so deadly it should be made illegal! It must be true because there are the same number of letters in "toast" as there is in "killer", because you don't have to count letters that are the same and immediately follow each other (meaning you have to count the two "t"s in toast, but not the two "l"s in killer). Man, this is fun just picking random pieces of information to toss together! Except I seem to be gifted with letters instead of numbers! ohmy.gif
amok
actually he N falls closer under the 7 and the 8 then the 6. calling the N under the 6 is a stretch.

Maybe you meant SUB. that would make more sense. God sent his only begotten SUB to save us all. after all, what would be better protection than a sub? all i gotta say is freakin torpedos man. demons of hell beaten down by the righteous in submarines with torpedos...i'd definately pay to see that movie.

did you know that 254 is ***? if you add 4 and 5 and 2 you get 11, which is also !! which is ***!!

Did you also know that zod is 103. if you add 1 and 3 you get 4 which is $. then under the 0 is the ALT key. everyone knows that an alternate is a stand in for the real deal (occasionally). so if you take General Zod, add some $, then you get an alternate for the president of the united states. i personally feel the economy would be much better off with general zod as president.

Amusedly,

- Amok

crappy, i got auto-edited sad.gif w.t.f is what i had posted with the asteriks smile.gif
Nessus
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Did you know that 30% of people who are murdered by serial killers ate toast for breakfast? That's why I make sure not to eat toast for breakfast! Toast is so deadly it should be made illegal!


Yes but 70% of people murdered by serial killers DONT eat toast for breakfast, you fall under that category. Thats 40% greater chance if you dont eat toast man!
newguy
What's wrong with being a "cereal killer"? huh.gif

user posted image

I wiped out a few "flakes" just this morning.
Steveo
Iesous, all of your conclusions you are drawing with these coincidences are useless. So what if your math is true. Does that mean that any of the other stuff is true? Doubtful! You may think with numbers, and I might also too, but the majority of people I know hate numbers and avoid numbers. The thought that these writers, or that god, 'encoded' all of this is pretty far fetched. Everything you have found is because you are looking much to hard for a meaning. This happens in english all the time. People analyze writing talking about what the author meant, when often enough, the author means exactly what he is writing. Not everything has hidden meanings and things like that.

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Pi divided by 296 is 0.010613 the 10613 decimal is the Number GOD base 25
Look up the first river coming from Eden it is Pison or Pi Son.


This is incorrect, pi divided by 296 is pi/296. Any decimal representation has a problem with truncation. Pi is an irrational number and cannot be represented as a fraction, and because of this, can't be represented exactly as a number in decimal form. Because of this, dividing pi by any rational number is still going to give an irrational number. So what you wrote above is a mathematical approximation which you fit to get the answer you wanted. Why did you choose to round where you did? Conveniance? Why 5 significant digits? It should be 0.0106 because you should take the smallest number if significant digits from your two original numbers (3) and that should be the number of significant figures in your answer. I don't know what exactly you do with your bases, but it is now wrong. With someone who has divine intervention it shouldn't have been that hard to show that you made a mistake.
Also, what reason, biblically or otherwise is there to use base 25, or 34, or 35? You are just pulling these out of no where with no justification. If you want to use math to convince people of something, you need to justify why you make certain choices, such as choices of bases. Without justification no reasonable, or acceptable conclusion can be drawn. Logic doesn't start with an answer, and tinker with the bases in the middle to make it fit. Logic starts from assumptions, and justification for them, and reaches the answer that way. What you are doing is not logic, not even correct, and not any of those conclusions are valid. You asked for someone to debate the math. So I skimmed until I found something wrong. So I hope you are happy.
Iesous
QUOTE (Grumpy+Dec 18 2005, 11:31 PM)
Idiosieus
They annoy those of us who really do know everything, but that is probably why you do it.

Grumpy cool.gif

Prove it BRING PEACE.

G
Iesous
Iesous, all of your conclusions you are drawing with these coincidences are useless. So what if your math is true.
Thanks

Does that mean that any of the other stuff is true?

No there is a possible error factor of .33333

Doubtful! You may think with numbers, and I might also too, but the majority of people I know hate numbers and avoid numbers. The thought that these writers, or that god, 'encoded' all of this is pretty far fetched.

Actually that would be more likely given you have free will and the things like the parting of the Red Sea would be seen as limiting you free will

Everything you have found is because you are looking much to hard for a meaning.

actually I just plug numbers into things that come my way

This happens in english all the time.

No kidding and I use English in bases above base 10 for digits go figure.

People analyze writing talking about what the author meant, when often enough, the author means exactly what he is writing. Not everything has hidden meanings and things like that.

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Pi divided by 296 is 0.010613 the 10613 decimal is the Number GOD base 25
Look up the first river coming from Eden it is Pison or Pi Son.


This is incorrect, pi divided by 296 is pi/296. Any decimal representation has a problem with truncation. Pi is an irrational number and cannot be represented as a fraction, and because of this, can't be represented exactly as a number in decimal form. Because of this, dividing pi by any rational number is still going to give an irrational number. So what you wrote above is a mathematical approximation which you fit to get the answer you wanted. Why did you choose to round where you did? Conveniance? Why 5 significant digits?

It DOES NOT have to be rounding it could also be seen as truncation.
Pi divided by 296 is 0.010613488 I did not look for it I just wondered given the 296 888 conection would it have meaning divided in to Pi. You would be happy to know I found nothing when I tried E or even Log 296
You should reread my post 5 is a confirmation number use either hand now this would take a lengthy explanation look at it as 2 and 3 witnesses.

5^.5x.5+.5 using all the positive signs gives you what golden number

It should be 0.0106 because you should take the smallest number if significant digits from your two original numbers (3) and that should be the number of significant figures in your answer. I don't know what exactly you do with your bases, but it is now wrong.

Sorry are you disputing Pi divided by 296 does not give you 0.010613488 can you give me the number to 13 or 17 digits? is there a third 8 after the 488

With someone who has divine intervention it shouldn't have been that hard to show that you made a mistake. This an error in logic do you know just how much BS you have to go through to find the truth in any given situation.

I have never been afraid to make mistakes that is how I learn heck sometimes I take the opposite approach just to make sure.
Also, what reason, biblically or otherwise is there to use base 25, or 34, or 35?

That is why I when to numbers in the first place to divest myself of the doctor'ing of the books of God.

The day of Birth is the 17 and since he is come again a doubling of that day 34
107th day that is.
Base 17 is the first base to form the number g0d "the son"

25 is 5^2 a second level prime and the first base that has GOD as a number
10613 back in decimal


Thank you for taking the time to respond with good points.
So I skimmed until I found something wrong. So I hope you are happy.
Iesous
QUOTE (sinned34+Dec 19 2005, 06:39 AM)
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Just a little note the word SON on a qwerty keyboard falls under the numbers
296
son


So what happens if you use a Dvorak keyboard?

That question is like an Idiot that sees me open my front door with my key and reaches into his pocket and pulls out some random key and yells at me cause his key doesn't fit my door.

This is why I get tired of this sub

Think then reply please

Iesous
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 18 2005, 11:32 PM)
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So you think you are more intelligent that most, sorta got that from your earlier posts.

No not at all that's Grumpy's view of himself

I am just unique like you.
amok
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That question is like an Idiot that sees me open my front door with my key and reaches into his pocket and pulls out some random key and yells at me cause his key doesn't fit my door.

This is why I get tired of this sub

Think then reply please


Well take into consideration that a normal qwerty keyboard is not really Intellgently Designed at all (if i may steal that phrasing). The keyboard came into effect much after any type of bible information. If you try to corrolate the two you would need to assume that the keyboard was created by some form of divine intervention, otherwise it is irrelevent.

Matching any type of mathemetics based on keyboard placement is quite a stretch.

The dvorak question is actually quite valid. What about the split ergonomic keyboards? Why arbitrarily choose a generic qwerty keyboard? If you are going to draw an assumption based from numbers to key placement than it needs to work in All scenarios, not just a particular one.

Think before you reply? Think before you post.

- Amok
Nessus
I dont think Iesous understands English very well, for example he cannot read a definition of numerology and understand that what he is blabbering about is precisely that.

amok
Maybe we need to phrase Numerology differently...lets see on a standard qwerty keyboard that is...um...

5743498946, that's right, numerology.

hm...that looks like a phone number, i wonder where it goes to? Maybe if I get bored. I already know that 1-800-druidia doesn't do anything sad.gif

When you add that numerology number up i believe it is 59. 5 and 9 is 14, since there can be only one, we subtract 1 and get 13. that's a very unlucky number sad.gif

There's no I in Team, but team is 5314, but 5 and 3 is 8 which is I on the keyboard. and then 4 and 1 is 5 which is T. T. is an abreviation for Team, which means that there is an I in Team! that or it means that there is an I in IT. smile.gif

man i could do this all day long.
GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Iesous+Dec 19 2005, 07:04 PM)
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 18 2005, 11:32 PM)
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So you think you are more intelligent that most, sorta got that from your earlier posts.

No not at all that's Grumpy's view of himself

I am just unique like you.

Yes, but what I support is clearly defined and I do not operate under the delusion that what I do argue for is not some sort of special reasoning or logic that no one else has ever come up with. Also, when I am challenged, I do not run away, after posting insults.

You are unique, just like everyone else is. And?
sinned34
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That question is like an Idiot that sees me open my front door with my key and reaches into his pocket and pulls out some random key and yells at me cause his key doesn't fit my door.

This is why I get tired of this sub

Think then reply please


Ummm, no. That question is more like someone seeing you open your front door with your key and you exclaim to that person that the door opens because your lock has a number on it that could be a "I" in binary if you calculated the binary using Base 51, and since "I" is "J" in Hebrew, it must represent Jesus, which just proves God loves you. That person, like most people here would think you are absolutely nuts. In your little rebuttal to my question, what would the message from Jesus be if that random key that person pulled out actually DID fit your door?

If you'd pull your head away from your attempts to turn every coincidence you see into a life affirming event, you'd notice that my reply is SUPPOSED to point out that if you can use completely unrelated numbers from anywhere to think that God is sending you secretly encoded messages, then I can use completely unrelated numbers from anywhere to indicate that God is probably NOT sending you secretly encoded messages! Fair is fair. Unless I'm completely missing out because I haven't been using that Secret Decoder Ring I found in my box of Salvation-O's.

Lemme guess, when you buy a product at a store you check the bar code to see what it says in Base 16 and if it doesn't say "God is my copilot" you won't buy it? "Look, the price of this case of peas put onto the screen of my IPod looks kinda like 'Satan' when I rotate it seventy-two degrees! Hah, the devil has to work harder than that to catch ME!" You remind me of Vizzini... Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. blink.gif

Think before you make up connections between any unrelated numbers, letters or objects that have no bearing on reality whatsoever.

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That question is like an Idiot that sees me open my front door with my key and reaches into his pocket and pulls out some random key and yells at me cause his key doesn't fit my door.

This is why I get tired of this sub

Think then reply please


Ummm, no. That question is more like someone seeing you open your front door with your key and you exclaim to that person that the door opens because your lock has a number on it that could be a "I" in binary if you calculated the binary using Base 51, and since "I" is "J" in Hebrew, it must represent Jesus, which just proves God loves you. That person, like most people here would think you are absolutely nuts. In your little rebuttal to my question, what would the message from Jesus be if that random key that person pulled out actually DID fit your door?

If you'd pull your head away from your attempts to turn every coincidence you see into a life affirming event, you'd notice that my reply is SUPPOSED to point out that if you can use completely unrelated numbers from anywhere to think that God is sending you secretly encoded messages, then I can use completely unrelated numbers from anywhere to indicate that God is probably NOT sending you secretly encoded messages! Fair is fair. Unless I'm completely missing out because I haven't been using that Secret Decoder Ring I found in my box of Salvation-O's.

Lemme guess, when you buy a product at a store you check the bar code to see what it says in Base 16 and if it doesn't say "God is my copilot" you won't buy it? "Look, the price of this case of peas put onto the screen of my IPod looks kinda like 'Satan' when I rotate it seventy-two degrees! Hah, the devil has to work harder than that to catch ME!" You remind me of Vizzini... Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. blink.gif

Think before you make up connections between any unrelated numbers, letters or objects that have no bearing on reality whatsoever.

The dvorak question is actually quite valid. What about the split ergonomic keyboards? Why arbitrarily choose a generic qwerty keyboard? If you are going to draw an assumption based from numbers to key placement than it needs to work in All scenarios, not just a particular one.


The answer should be obvious: QWERTY keyboards were inspired by the Holy Ghost, whereas the Dvorak keyboard is a tool of the devil and split ergonomic keyboards are a corruption of God's original design! This makes sense because QWERTY keyboards make your fingers do more work than is necessary to get the same results as with the Dvorak keyboards (because hard work is our curse for "the fall" - ask any Catholic), and ergonomic keyboards conform to your body instead of forcing you into uncomfortable (and potentially physically damaging) actions, which of course is unGodly!
amok
Not to mention that you can move the keys around on a qwerty keyboard and re-map the entire keyboard yourself smile.gif Man...the stuff the numerologist could do if they were able to Choose key placement? Mindblowing!

If we are corrolating keyboards with jesus....will the End key send me to hell? If i press Shift does my keyboard kick into second gear? Is the dreaded Windows key a sign from god?

You know what too? If you put numbers 1-9 on the sides of a rubiks cube and mix it around you get the math for the TOE?

ohmy.gif

- Amok
sinned34
QUOTE
If we are corrolating keyboards with jesus....will the End key send me to hell?


No, but be ye warned about the CTRL key: it is the keyboard equivalent of the Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil, because you have to let God have control! Also, use ye not the "Insert" and "Delete" keys, because:

Rev 22:18-19 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


I apologize for the Jerry Duke moment, I believe the Holy Ghost came upon me for a second! tongue.gif
GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Iesous+Dec 20 2005, 11:47 AM)
You come from the shallow end of the gene pool buddddy!


Greg

Being one who monitors the shallow end of the human gene pool (shameless podcast plug) I can attest the amok is not in it.

However, it is a fact that the shallow end of the human gene pool is ripe with those who believe in all sorts of nonsensical things such as numerology or even numerology falsely so-called.
Kaeroll
Hehe, you think they're Catholic?

Hehehe. Amusement ensues.

Iesous in all seriousness if you do believe you have something in these numbers, put it in plain English and go through it step by step for those of us who are too numerically-illiterate to follow your train of thought (choo choo). You might wanna cut down on your insult output too, it's quite offputting. To the best of my knowledge, the late J.C. wouldn't have approved of that type of behaviour.

And I'm sure he'd not have approved of the above blasphemy, but I've been wanting to say that for ages. Sorry familyguy wink.gif
Iesous
1260 out of 1296 are not the sum of 1 squares
417 out of 1296 are the sum of 2 squares - 879 are not
214 out of 1296 are not the sum of 3 squares
0 out of 1296 are not the sum of 4 squares


611 out of 636 are not the sum of 1 squares
417 out of 636 are not the sum of 2 squares
105 out of 636 are not the sum of 3 squares
0 out of 636 are not the sum of 4 squares

that's Rev 13

63/6
and 1296

both show 4-17

numbers 1-636 and 1-1296
GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Kaeroll+Dec 20 2005, 12:18 PM)
And I'm sure he'd not have approved of the above blasphemy, but I've been wanting to say that for ages. Sorry familyguy wink.gif

For those who did not see them, three of Iesous’s comments were pulled by the board administrators. They were not on topic, but comments of a personal nature.

Discussion is one thing but you seem to indulge in just insulting anyone who challenges what you post here.

If what you are discussing is of that much worth, then you should not have to resort to personal insults in this debate. Simply explain to those of use who are not numerologists what you mean or are trying to get across.
Guess who
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 20 2005, 04:28 PM)
QUOTE (Kaeroll+Dec 20 2005, 12:18 PM)
And I'm sure he'd not have approved of the above blasphemy, but I've been wanting to say that for ages. Sorry familyguy wink.gif

For those who did not see them, three of Iesous’s comments were pulled by the board administrators. They were not on topic, but comments of a personal nature.

Discussion is one thing but you seem to indulge in just insulting anyone who challenges what you post here.

If what you are discussing is of that much worth, then you should not have to resort to personal insults in this debate. Simply explain to those of use who are not numerologists what you mean or are trying to get across.

Insults are all I get from you what do you expect!
Guess who
I have to put up with people who call me a loon and thay crap is allowed to remain on the board.


admin doesn't pull that

me thinks this board is severly biased

Guess who
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 20 2005, 04:28 PM)
QUOTE (Kaeroll+Dec 20 2005, 12:18 PM)
And I'm sure he'd not have approved of the above blasphemy, but I've been wanting to say that for ages. Sorry familyguy wink.gif

For those who did not see them, three of Iesous’s comments were pulled by the board administrators. They were not on topic, but comments of a personal nature.

Discussion is one thing but you seem to indulge in just insulting anyone who challenges what you post here.

If what you are discussing is of that much worth, then you should not have to resort to personal insults in this debate. Simply explain to those of use who are not numerologists what you mean or are trying to get across.

Jesus did not build the Catholic Church Peter did and he was the one Jesus had to constantly correct all the time. Jesus himself showd himself to the first apposle first after the resurrection.

don't act like you have taken the high road in this debate you use little snipe coments all the time

I give back in the same mannor I recieve

Iesous
sinned34
QUOTE
For those who did not see them, three of Iesous’s comments were pulled by the board administrators. They were not on topic, but comments of a personal nature.


Really? To tell the truth, I'm a little disappointed: I would love to hear what Iesous really thinks of me (I think there's a very good chance his comments were likely directed towards me). Not that I really have any doubts as to what he probably feels about me. It's most likely somewhat less than the love Jesus said he should have for me. But that's okay, I'm a big boy, and I can take the abuse. Besides, it's not like I wasn't baiting him just a little bit - though he still hasn't given any reason why a QWERTY keyboard is more evidence of divine inspiration than other keyboards.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
For those who did not see them, three of Iesous’s comments were pulled by the board administrators. They were not on topic, but comments of a personal nature.


Really? To tell the truth, I'm a little disappointed: I would love to hear what Iesous really thinks of me (I think there's a very good chance his comments were likely directed towards me). Not that I really have any doubts as to what he probably feels about me. It's most likely somewhat less than the love Jesus said he should have for me. But that's okay, I'm a big boy, and I can take the abuse. Besides, it's not like I wasn't baiting him just a little bit - though he still hasn't given any reason why a QWERTY keyboard is more evidence of divine inspiration than other keyboards.

And I'm sure he'd not have approved of the above blasphemy, but I've been wanting to say that for ages.


My native tongue is blasphemy. (thanks Matt Good Band) Besides, blasphemy is a victimless crime.

QUOTE
Sorry familyguy


Same here: sorry Newguy - I'm just being a pain in the rear, I mean no REAL offense. Well, not to you, anyways.
Truth
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 20 2005, 04:28 PM)
QUOTE (Kaeroll+Dec 20 2005, 12:18 PM)
And I'm sure he'd not have approved of the above blasphemy, but I've been wanting to say that for ages. Sorry familyguy wink.gif

For those who did not see them, three of Iesous’s comments were pulled by the board administrators. They were not on topic, but comments of a personal nature.

Discussion is one thing but you seem to indulge in just insulting anyone who challenges what you post here.

If what you are discussing is of that much worth, then you should not have to resort to personal insults in this debate. Simply explain to those of use who are not numerologists what you mean or are trying to get across.

BTW genesplicer I noticed your website has malicious coding on it do you want to tell us just how upstanding you are.


ph34r.gif
GeneSplicer
QUOTE
don't act like you have taken the high road in this debate you use little snipe coments all the time

I give back in the same mannor I receive


Really? And where exactly did I use profane names for you? Questioning the mysticism you posted in one thing but replying with nothing but profane personal insults is quite another.

If you cannot see the difference, than that is your problem.

You should not blame the reader for not being able to understand the numerology you posted here. Like I sated, if what you offer is of so much importance, then take time to explain it rather than to castigate anyone and everyone who questions what you post.
GeneSplicer
QUOTE
BTW genesplicer I noticed your website has malicious coding on it do you want to tell us just how upstanding you are.


Do tell. And what “malicious coding” would that be? Did you find the secret numerology hex I designed that is downloaded onto your machine just by looking at my page? LOL.

I guess proof of this claim will be like your numerology “facts”. Care to proof how upstanding you are and back up that accusation or do you want to admit now that you lied?

GeneSplicer
Iesous, Guess Who, Truth or whatever you wish to call yourself,

I'm still waiting for your to back up that accusation you made regarding my website.

Care to admit that since your arguments and debates failed and your comments of a profane and personal nature were pulled from the board that you simply resorted to the juvenile action of accusing me of some nefarious activity vis-à-vis my website?

A person is judged by what they say and do. Trying to besmirch the reputation of another falsely is a most serious action, but only if one is of character himself or herself or worries about his or her character.
Peace b with you
QUOTE (Nessus+Dec 19 2005, 07:17 AM)
QUOTE
Did you know that 30% of people who are murdered by serial killers ate toast for breakfast? That's why I make sure not to eat toast for breakfast! Toast is so deadly it should be made illegal!


Yes but 70% of people murdered by serial killers DONT eat toast for breakfast, you fall under that category. Thats 40% greater chance if you dont eat toast man!

RfEuAcDk ByEoTuWaEsEsN hToHlEe LuIfNuEcSk
Guest
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 20 2005, 08:35 PM)
Iesous, Guess Who, Truth or whatever you wish to call yourself,

I'm still waiting for your to back up that accusation you made regarding my website.

Care to admit that since your arguments and debates failed and your comments of a profane and personal nature were pulled from the board that you simply resorted to the juvenile action of accusing me of some nefarious activity vis-à-vis my website?

A person is judged by what they say and do. Trying to besmirch the reputation of another falsely is a most serious action, but only if one is of character himself or herself or worries about his or her character.

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<genesplicer@shallowgenepool.com>:
64.202.166.12 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location
[68.142.xxx.xx] (#5.7.1)
Giving up on 64.202.166.12.
Guest
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 20 2005, 09:32 PM)
QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 20 2005, 08:35 PM)
Iesous, Guess Who, Truth or whatever you wish to call yourself,

I'm still waiting for your to back up that accusation you made regarding my website. 

Care to admit that since your arguments and debates failed and your comments of a profane and personal nature were pulled from the board that you simply resorted to the juvenile action of accusing me of some nefarious activity vis-à-vis my website?

A person is judged by what they say and do.  Trying to besmirch the reputation of another falsely is a most serious action, but only if one is of character himself or herself or worries about his or her character.

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<genesplicer@shallowgenepool.com>:
64.202.166.12 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location
[68.142.xxx.xx] (#5.7.1)
Giving up on 64.202.166.12.

Since I have nerver sent you mail how th frell can you know to denigh my email

cut the crap

liar

Nessus
QUOTE
BTW genesplicer I noticed your website has malicious coding on it do you want to tell us just how upstanding you are.


A common tactic of people those idea is proven wrong, if they cannot prove their view point they either must concede that their view is incorrect or lash out at those that proved it wrong. Even if genesplicer is hacking into all our computers right now, that doesnt change the fact that this is numerology and thus a load of garbage.
Guest
QUOTE (Nessus+Dec 20 2005, 09:37 PM)
QUOTE
BTW genesplicer I noticed your website has malicious coding on it do you want to tell us just how upstanding you are.


A common tactic of people those idea is proven wrong, if they cannot prove their view point they either must concede that their view is incorrect or lash out at those that proved it wrong. Even if genesplicer is hacking into all our computers right now, that doesnt change the fact that this is numerology and thus a load of garbage.

I am lashing out to utterly rude people

May the continuing storms touch your family and leave you alone to ponder your ignorance.

Guest
numerology,

so we are going to use Pi and 17 and its root
The root of 17 is 4.1231 this shows us 4-17 to begin with so we are going to use .1231 or just 1231 we are going to seperate Pi into 1 2 3 and 1 since Pi is larger than that we must round Pi Pun intended.
3 14 159 3
we are going to add 1 to the 2 then that 2 to the 3 then the first and the Last to the 159
3 14 159 3
3 + 14 = 17
3 14 159 3
17 + 159 = 176
31 4 159 3
4 17 6 the first birth
31 4 159 3
4 17 63 the last at this point this is unique but not complete there is a secondary verification within and a third exterior dual signature from God
3141593
3 14+15 93
in 3 of 93 a person born 4-17-63 would be 14+15 or 29
at this point lets look at Christmas because it is not just an arbratary date as well
4-17 is the 107th day of the year leep year it's the 108th --note 1+0+7 + 1+0+8 =17
Christmas is the 359th day 3+5+9=17 leap yr 360 which is a 0 put it together 107
leap year is every 4 and Christmas is 6 day from the end of the year
4 and the 6 around the 17 4176 or because we used the 4 (leap year) to make the 107
just 107 6
the last day of the year 12-31 hey! didn't I start with that number 1231
March of 1993 around the 14th and 15th there was a superstorm labled The storm of the century and there was another such storm in 1888 by the same name around the same dates
so we have another 888 to pair with our 5888 from the sum of squares
a 1888 and a 5888 1993 - 1888 = 105 strip the 1 and the 5 and we have two identical 888's
Jesus said he was the alpha and the omega I've gone over the alphabet 417 times and i can't find an Omega but I do find a zetta it just seems so greek to me ... wait ... the alpha and zetta that's 1 and 7 or 17 actually by greek standards it's 8 a compressed 17!
it's getting last again so one last puzzelment the 101 keybord
letter keys and number keys use them to give value to the alphabet
First letter Q the 17 letter always followed by U
Q column 1 U column 7 17
first and last letters Q and M again 17
First and last rows 10 keys and 7 keys 17
Hebrew has no vowels so add up the columns with no vowels
2+4+5+6+0 = 17
1+2=17 wait forgot the 4's
1^4+2^4=17
4x4+4/4=17
E x 17 = 46.21079108 (E= base of the natural log.)
CDL V9029690 that the last digit 9 and the first digit 0 around a 296 2 + 9 + 6 = 17
63 x 153 = 9639 9 63 9

Gregory Of David G.O.D 17 letters initally the Word of God
Ps
17 x 4000000000000000001000000000000000007 + 172 is prime
you guessed it 17 zeros twice





4-17-63

in base 17 41763 is 888b

4171963
sum of squares a^2 + b^2 + c^2
a = 3
b = 1415
c = 1473
5888

as you can see the one date in two different ways expresses 888 in two different ways one direct one hidden in the columns. You might notice Pi in the columns as well there is a self verifying nested in Pi for this date as well but let me show you the first date

4-17-6 BC this date is from Michael Molnar's Star of Bethlehem you might notice in order of absolute size Year; Day, Month (9999+,31,12) this number is the Kaprekar Number 6174

I'll save the Pi calculation for my next email if you wish to converse. But I will add one more constant to the equation.

Five has always been a verification number from God to man so consider this Prime

4000001000007000001000009000006000003 is prime

Take the Log of the day represented by 1000007
Log 1000007 is 600000304

The first river branch is called Pi Son


amok
It's an email error, not malicious code. Lots of domain based emails block email domains that are common to have spam come from.

Saying that you cannot email someone because your email was rejected by a server, and blaming that on malicious code is irrevocably incorrect. Were you trying to send insulting emails as well?

Also perhaps check the gmail help pages about your email error, there should be help there and it could just be a generic server error.

- Amok
GeneSplicer
QUOTE
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<genesplicer@shallowgenepool.com>:
64.202.166.12 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location
[68.142.xxx.xx] (#5.7.1)
Giving up on 64.202.166.12.


This is the example of your “malicious code”?

So let me get this straight. You mess up my email address, which is listed in my profile, and that is and example of malicious code? Your incompetence is an example of my malicious code? You tried to send me email and it bounced and that is malicious code?

Malicious code would be something like hackware, trackware or a virus. This is your error and not induictative of any sort of “malicious code”. LOL. No wonder you follow mysticism. Rational though is not in you.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<genesplicer@shallowgenepool.com>:
64.202.166.12 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location
[68.142.xxx.xx] (#5.7.1)
Giving up on 64.202.166.12.


This is the example of your “malicious code”?

So let me get this straight. You mess up my email address, which is listed in my profile, and that is and example of malicious code? Your incompetence is an example of my malicious code? You tried to send me email and it bounced and that is malicious code?

Malicious code would be something like hackware, trackware or a virus. This is your error and not induictative of any sort of “malicious code”. LOL. No wonder you follow mysticism. Rational though is not in you.

Since I have nerver sent you mail how th frell can you know to denigh my email

cut the crap

liar


And you never will with the wrong address. You claimed I had malicious code on my site. This was caused by your mistake. So your accusation is baseless and that of vindictive child. Pity you can’t admit fault or even see the error you made.



GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 20 2005, 05:42 PM)
QUOTE (Nessus+Dec 20 2005, 09:37 PM)
QUOTE
BTW genesplicer I noticed your website has malicious coding on it do you want to tell us just how upstanding you are.


A common tactic of people those idea is proven wrong, if they cannot prove their view point they either must concede that their view is incorrect or lash out at those that proved it wrong. Even if genesplicer is hacking into all our computers right now, that doesnt change the fact that this is numerology and thus a load of garbage.

I am lashing out to utterly rude people

May the continuing storms touch your family and leave you alone to ponder your ignorance.

You are lashing out like an uncontrollable child.

You cannot debate your claim or stand up to those who question what you post so you then accuse me of nefarious activities via my website.

It turns out to be an example of incompetence on your part. So what is next accusation?
Nessus
Totally agree with you GeneSplicer, I didnt insult him only his work. Yet lash out at me personally, not what I was saying, that he did.

Guest, you are fighting an uphill battle naked with no weapons here, better just take your ideas to a forum that would welcome them. Not one that will nit pick them until there is nothing of substance left.
GeneSplicer
QUOTE (amok+Dec 20 2005, 07:47 PM)
Were you trying to send insulting emails as well?


Even "Iesous, Guess Who, Truth , whoever" is not that dumb. wink.gif
Steveo
Mr. Numerology.

Ok, as I pointed out before when you said that pi/296=0.010613 you were incorrect because that is an approximation. One that is not consistent with the rules of significan figures, and no justification as to why you chose 5 sig digs, except because it works for what you wanted. You said something about 5 being a significant number....ok, for sake of arguement I will even let that slide, although I shouldn't.

QUOTE
so we are going to use Pi and 17 and its root
The root of 17 is 4.1231 this shows us 4-17 to begin with so we are going to use .1231 or just 1231 we are going to seperate Pi into 1 2 3 and 1 since Pi is larger than that we must round Pi Pun intended.
3 14 159 3
we are going to add 1 to the 2 then that 2 to the 3 then the first and the Last to the 159
3 14 159 3


But here, using pi, you use 7 significant figures, and 6 after the decimal place. In something where you are drawing such 'concrete' and 'important' conclusions, you should be consistent with the way you round or truncate. You are not being consistant with your application of the rules, so how can any of us take any of this seriously? Please explain to me why you can change the rules as you go.
Guest
QUOTE (Steveo+Dec 21 2005, 07:26 PM)
Mr. Numerology.

Ok, as I pointed out before when you said that pi/296=0.010613 you were incorrect because that is an approximation. One that is not consistent with the rules of significan figures,

this numbers come up in simple division and buy the way it does take 3.1415 to get this number - 5 digits
and I didnt use 5 sig digits I used my casio which uses 9 sig digits but thanks for pointing out that a min of 5 digits is required but don't think that everyting I do has to have a five in it. Things aren't that black and white you should know better
as far a sig digits this doesn't change the math it never did it is just a view and has to do with sampling.


and no justification as to why you chose 5 sig digs, except because it works for what you wanted. You said something about 5 being a significant number....ok, for sake of arguement I will even let that slide, although I shouldn't.

QUOTE
so we are going to use Pi and 17 and its root
The root of 17 is 4.1231 this shows us 4-17 to begin with so we are going to use .1231 or just 1231 we are going to seperate Pi into 1 2 3 and 1 since Pi is larger than that we must round Pi Pun intended.
3 14 159 3
we are going to add 1 to the 2 then that 2 to the 3 then the first and the Last to the 159
3 14 159 3


But here, using pi, you use 7 significant figures, and 6 after the decimal place. In something where you are drawing such 'concrete' and 'important' conclusions, you should be consistent with the way you round or truncate. You are not being consistant with your application of the rules, so how can any of us take any of this seriously? Please explain to me why you can change the rules as you go.

I am not using your rules you are looking at this in to complex a nature.

you can round at any point in Pi 3.141593 is a rounded form of Pi.


here is a curiosity the 359th 360th 361th digits of Pi they are 3 6 0

Merry Christmas the 360th or 359th day of the year

3+6+0=9 and 3+5+9=17

9 x 17 = 153 fishes

the first occurrence of 1371 occurs at 13707

13707x.1 rounded to the whole number is 1371

I am really waisting my time here

you guy's don't look for patterns you are to busy applying your rules to something is based in only patterns across many different forms.

It is like I say apples are circular as well as oranges and peas you say that apples are not peas nor oranges but the fact remains that the all are circular.

And of course some idiot will say that their shape is not circular at all
you miss the point.

I didn't come here to argue I came to find people willing to explore but they are driven off by a few small minded pseudo scientists or armchair debaters.

Clingman's Dome go jump off it!
Guest
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 22 2005, 12:20 PM)
QUOTE (Steveo+Dec 21 2005, 07:26 PM)
Mr. Numerology.

Please explain to me why you can change the rules as you go.


Just to restate I am not using the rules of sig digits to be blunt I am using the rules of a Casio fx-300MS

please contact Casio for any violations of the rules

settings

comp 1
SD 2
Reg 3

you are applying mans methods to Gods Numbers no wonder you are coming up with errors.
That's science for you can't do simple addition subtraction mult and div
with out applying some type of rule(s) which as we learn more tend to change.

Stick to the basics
GeneSplicer
QUOTE (Guest+Dec 22 2005, 08:20 AM)
I didn't come here to argue I came to find people willing to explore but they are driven off by a few small minded pseudo scientists or armchair debaters.

You mean small minded as in calling a rejected email due to a malformed address as “malicious code”?

If you wanted to find like minded individuals of numerology then why did you post on a science debate forum?

Since when did mysticism such as numerology become science if our posts are indeed “pseudoscience”?

If you were looking for people to explore your ideas, why did you not pose the first post in such a manner?

And again, if your ideas have merit and substance, then questions posed and comments made in a debate forum should not cause you to fly off the handle and act in such an irrational and juvenile manner.

BTW, what exactly was it you were going to email me?

QUOTE (Guest+Dec 22 2005, 08:20 AM)
Clingman's Dome go jump off it!

Sorry, I prefer Mt. Mitchell. It’s closer to home.
Steveo
So now its time to get picky I guess. You asked for debate of your work, and I gave it to you, then you call me names. You are such a cool guy!

QUOTE
you are applying mans methods to Gods Numbers no wonder you are coming up with errors.
That's science for you can't do simple addition subtraction mult and div
with out applying some type of rule(s) which as we learn more tend to change.


Have you ever studied the history of mathematics? I haven't in depth, but here is what I do know. Numbers are a concept created by man. We use base 10, the babalonians used base 60. This is arbitrary, and can no way be assigned to god. The 'common sense' reason we use base 10 is because we have 10 digits on our hands. Why base 60 was ever used I don't know. Get god to ask them for you, since you know god so well. It is neat that we still have relics from that system left now though. Explains why there are 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour.

Also, if you did not know, addition, multiplicate, subtraction and division may seem intuitive to you and I, but they are based on rules. Without rules we could not preform any of these. All of math is based on a set of rules to follow. If you do not know this you should not even be allowed to play with numbers. Ever heard of the Elements by Euclid? He set down axioms which everyday number theory is built on.
Now its time to pick apart your latest post.

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you are applying mans methods to Gods Numbers no wonder you are coming up with errors.
That's science for you can't do simple addition subtraction mult and div
with out applying some type of rule(s) which as we learn more tend to change.


Have you ever studied the history of mathematics? I haven't in depth, but here is what I do know. Numbers are a concept created by man. We use base 10, the babalonians used base 60. This is arbitrary, and can no way be assigned to god. The 'common sense' reason we use base 10 is because we have 10 digits on our hands. Why base 60 was ever used I don't know. Get god to ask them for you, since you know god so well. It is neat that we still have relics from that system left now though. Explains why there are 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour.

Also, if you did not know, addition, multiplicate, subtraction and division may seem intuitive to you and I, but they are based on rules. Without rules we could not preform any of these. All of math is based on a set of rules to follow. If you do not know this you should not even be allowed to play with numbers. Ever heard of the Elements by Euclid? He set down axioms which everyday number theory is built on.
Now its time to pick apart your latest post.

I am not using your rules you are looking at this in to complex a nature.


Your trying to draw conclusions about the world and of god that no one else has seen, and you think you can break rules and make it simple? Sorry, things have to be logical even for people who do not have the predesposed ideas you do. If it is logical to you, and only you, its clearly not logical, but intuitive. Learn the difference please!

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you can round at any point in Pi 3.141593 is a rounded form of Pi.

Of course you can. Pi=3 is correct because I rounded before the decimal. The thing you need to consider is your reason for rounding. Is it for accuracy? Not in your case. Its for a certain number of digits to try and find a pattern that does not exist. But in either case, you may be able to arbitrarily choose where to round, however you need to be internally consistent. If I am doing science and I am measuring a length with a meter stick, which has a smallest division of 1mm the best measurement I could make would be to the nearest half mm with a half mm error. So if I measured something and I said it was 208.5±0.5mm this would be as accurate as I could get. I could not, if I was being honest measure it and say it is 208.4962963678±0.0000000001mm. This is not possible. This is in essence what I feel you are doing. Arbitrarily picking, and changing the rules as you go to give you nice answers. Sorry, doesn't cut in within the rigor of mathematics.

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you can round at any point in Pi 3.141593 is a rounded form of Pi.

Of course you can. Pi=3 is correct because I rounded before the decimal. The thing you need to consider is your reason for rounding. Is it for accuracy? Not in your case. Its for a certain number of digits to try and find a pattern that does not exist. But in either case, you may be able to arbitrarily choose where to round, however you need to be internally consistent. If I am doing science and I am measuring a length with a meter stick, which has a smallest division of 1mm the best measurement I could make would be to the nearest half mm with a half mm error. So if I measured something and I said it was 208.5±0.5mm this would be as accurate as I could get. I could not, if I was being honest measure it and say it is 208.4962963678±0.0000000001mm. This is not possible. This is in essence what I feel you are doing. Arbitrarily picking, and changing the rules as you go to give you nice answers. Sorry, doesn't cut in within the rigor of mathematics.

here is a curiosity the 359th 360th 361th digits of Pi they are 3 6 0

Merry Christmas the 360th or 359th day of the year

3+6+0=9 and 3+5+9=17

9 x 17 = 153 fishes


Why not also add the digits of 361? Just arbitrarily leaving it out? oh, and 9 x 17 is not 153 fishes because 9 wasn't describing the number of fishes, nor was 17. You do not understand units it appears. If you had said 9 x 17 = 153pies I might have let it slide because it was funny.

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the first occurrence of 1371 occurs at 13707

13707x.1 rounded to the whole number is 1371


Where did that come from and whats its significance? I can't figure out what it means, so without any point of that it is illogical.

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the first occurrence of 1371 occurs at 13707

13707x.1 rounded to the whole number is 1371


Where did that come from and whats its significance? I can't figure out what it means, so without any point of that it is illogical.

I am really waisting my time here

you guy's don't look for patterns you are to busy applying your rules to something is based in only patterns across many different forms.

It is like I say apples are circular as well as oranges and peas you say that apples are not peas nor oranges but the fact remains that the all are circular.

And of course some idiot will say that their shape is not circular at all
you miss the point.


I guess I would be that idiot. If you said they were spherical I might agree, even though they are not. You could say that are approximately spherical. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that was a slip up, not an error in understanding.

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I didn't come here to argue I came to find people willing to explore but they are driven off by a few small minded pseudo scientists or armchair debaters.

Clingman's Dome go jump off it!


First you wanted people to debate, which is discuss, and often disagree. At first I blew your stuff off as crap, but I finally looked at a little bit of it and then you cry that I am applying the rules. I am sorry, but it appears that if anyone challenges you in any way you cry foul, and like to call names. If thats how you expect to debate and discuss things, then just leave and don't waste yours, or my time anymore.

And I would prefer to go to Head Smashed in Buffalo Jump myself....never heard of Clingman's Dome, and its probably pretty far away. If I am going to jump to my death just to please you couldn't I do it closer to home?
Merry Christmas you inconsiderate prick who can't take any constructive, or destructive critism. Telling someone to go kill themself because they disagree with you and took the time to actually look at some of your work is pretty rude. I had very little respect for you before, and now I have none. Anymore rude posts by you will be returned from me with just as much, if not more hostility.
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so genesplicer are you saying there is no truth in numbers? when mathematics is the only right and exact thing and have relevance to everything in existence. everything is based on mathematics and the meanings of numbers, dont you use
mathematic figures in science to calculate answers such as the earth is 93,000,000
miles from the sun, light travels at the rate of 186,000 miles per second and so on? you would have to say yes so why try to discredit the use of mathematics and
numbers to bear witness to the truth of something proven right. also you mentioned farrakhan as if hes unstudied as you, the bottom line is that he teaches
what was taught to him by a man who say he got his figures from god himself
not the originator of creation but one who is supreme amongst us in our cycle of history. the figures he teach is the same that the modern scientist and nasa use
to make their calculatuions which came from that supreme one im speaking of.
the time that this man was teaching these things there was no nasa and nobody on
earth at that time new some of the stuff he was revealing.
sinned34
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May the continuing storms touch your family and leave you alone to ponder your ignorance.


Wow, talk about taking the high road, eh? Jesus must be SO proud of you...

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That's the last thing I need to hear from you, whatever the hell you're calling yourself now. Those types of comments are inappropriate coming from ANYBODY, and I will not even bother to read a single one of your posts in the future. Thanks for coming out, dipsh*t.
GeneSplicer
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so genesplicer are you saying there is no truth in numbers?

No, if you were actually reading what I posted, you would see that I reject mysticisms like numerology.
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so genesplicer are you saying there is no truth in numbers?

No, if you were actually reading what I posted, you would see that I reject mysticisms like numerology.
when mathematics is the only right and exact thing and have relevance to everything in existence. everything is based on mathematics and the meanings of numbers, dont you use
mathematic figures in science to calculate answers such as the earth is 93,000,000
miles from the sun, light travels at the rate of 186,000 miles per second and so on? you would have to say yes so why try to discredit the use of mathematics and
numbers to bear witness to the truth of something proven right.

Proven right? Really? So you have proof that numerology, the abandoned mystical idea akin to alchemy and astrology, has been proven right?
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also you mentioned farrakhan as if hes unstudied as you,

No, Calypso Louie is a racist crackpot of only a slightly more degree than dad1. Calypso Louie believes that a “mother wheel” transported him above the Earth and revealed the “truth” to him. He also believes that the “mother wheel” will one day launch an invasion to take over the world and of course kill all of the white people. By the way, the “mother wheel” is still up there, waiting.
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also you mentioned farrakhan as if hes unstudied as you,

No, Calypso Louie is a racist crackpot of only a slightly more degree than dad1. Calypso Louie believes that a “mother wheel” transported him above the Earth and revealed the “truth” to him. He also believes that the “mother wheel” will one day launch an invasion to take over the world and of course kill all of the white people. By the way, the “mother wheel” is still up there, waiting.
the bottom line is that he teaches what was taught to him by a man who say he got his figures from god himself not the originator of creation but one who is supreme amongst us in our cycle of history.

Yes, and I’m sure he claims all sorts of things. Did you know about the illegitimate children Ford, Louie’s teacher, had while he was the leader of the NOI? Such a holy man he was indeed. Like I said, Calypso Louie is a racist crackpot.
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the figures he teach is the same that the modern scientist and nasa use to make their calculatuions which came from that supreme one im speaking of.
Riiight…
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the figures he teach is the same that the modern scientist and nasa use to make their calculatuions which came from that supreme one im speaking of.
Riiight…
the time that this man was teaching these things there was no nasa and nobody on earth at that time new some of the stuff he was revealing.

Suuuure…

So, I have to ask. Have you been to the mother wheel?

I’m usually the last person to talk about spelling errors and such, but can you possibly use some basic punctuation like capital letter and periods? Without them, your posts are difficult to read. Just a suggestion.
Steveo
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so genesplicer are you saying there is no truth in numbers? when mathematics is the only right and exact thing and have relevance to everything in existence. everything is based on mathematics and the meanings of numbers, dont you use
mathematic figures in science to calculate answers such as the earth is 93,000,000
miles from the sun, light travels at the rate of 186,000 miles per second and so on? you would have to say yes so why try to discredit the use of mathematics and
numbers to bear witness to the truth of something proven right. also you mentioned farrakhan as if hes unstudied as you, the bottom line is that he teaches
what was taught to him by a man who say he got his figures from god himself
not the originator of creation but one who is supreme amongst us in our cycle of history. the figures he teach is the same that the modern scientist and nasa use
to make their calculatuions which came from that supreme one im speaking of.
the time that this man was teaching these things there was no nasa and nobody on
earth at that time new some of the stuff he was revealing.


If you want to compare what our Mr Numerology in here was doing with the scientific calculations of astronomers, physicists, and engineers then thats your crutch, and shows your intelligence. You were right when you said that mathematics is right and exact. And it probably is the only thing in our existance that is. But do you know why this is the case? Because we define the RULES of mathematics, then we follow those rules to their conclusions. Mathematics is self consistent. So if you say in Euclidean geometry the 3 angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees, I agree with you. When you say that when you add up the 3 angles of any triangle then I disagree, and you are wrong. Because that only works if you ASSUME that the earth obeys the rules of euclidean geometry, which, if you look at a globe, you can see that it isn't euclidean. Math is true when you talk about math. When you talk about the real world you have to apply math (math is a tool for the sciences) in the correct way to have it mean anything remotely near truth. Don't go placing so much value in numbers if there is no apparent reason for doing a certain sequence of operations.
RealityCheck
Hi all!

Just an observation about those 'god-given' numbers etc.

It might interest some people to know that the "zero" used in many of the above 'numerology' manipulations/operations was INVENTED BY MAN ONLY RELATIVELY RECENTLY so as to make 'better sense' of those other so-called 'god-given' numbers. And so, many of the claims to 'forever/divine' numbers/meanings are untenable because of MAN'S 'construction' of Number Theory and Mathematics/Geometry 'systems' over the millennia (and not from ONE divine 'beginning' point at 'creation' etc.).

Which means that any self-respecting 'divinely-inspired numerologist' MUST AVOID the use of "zero", since it is in fact a MAN-MADE 'correction factor' in the supposedly 'perfect' number system 'handed down by god' etc.

I hope the above helps put this debate/discussion on a more 'genuine' plane. Carry on, mateys!

RC.
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Steveo
Hey RC,
Just the other day I was looking up the origins of zero to try and say something like that on this thread. Of course the only reason I considered it, and I suspect you did to was because of that fellow Un un nun or whatever or was going on about zero for so long. Unfortunately for me, I was unable to work my thoughts into anything relevant and now you get the glory for thinking of it, and actually putting it to words.
Good job!
RealityCheck
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Hey RC,
Just the other day I was looking up the origins of zero to try and say something like that on this thread.  Of course the only reason I considered it, and I suspect you did to was because of that fellow Un un nun or whatever or was going on about zero for so long.  Unfortunately for me, I was unable to work my thoughts into anything relevant and now you get the glory for thinking of it, and actually putting it to words.
Good job!

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Thanks Steveo.

Actually, mate, it was the other way round! The reason I contributed to the "zero" discussion started by U uN Un was that I was already engaged in some little 're-working' of Number Theory/Mathematics etc. following certain insights in those fields gained from working on our Cosmology Theory "special project". So my 'observation' HERE was a natural consequence of the logical connection between ANY purported 'pure number' manipulations/operations and the obvious non-existence of 'zero' when the said so-called 'pure numbers' were supposed to have been 'divinely given' to self-styled 'transcendental numerologists', hehehe.

And anyway, judging from your posts here and elsewhere, I KNOW it WAS only a matter of time before YOU got to the same 'observation'. As with many things in science, "it was in the air", and anyone remotely qualified/motivated in doing so would eventually have come up with "it". Besides, although you could not know it, there's been many a time elsewhere in these forums when YOU have 'beaten me to it'! hehehe. Ciao.

RC.
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Steveo
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And anyway, judging from your posts here and elsewhere, I KNOW it WAS only a matter of time before YOU got to the same 'observation'. As with many things in science, "it was in the air", and anyone remotely qualified/motivated in doing so would eventually have come up with "it". Besides, although you could not know it, there's been many a time elsewhere in these forums when YOU have 'beaten me to it'! hehehe. Ciao.


Sweet, glad to know my posts contribute! smile.gif
Anyways, merry christmas down under eh!
RealityCheck
Steveo,

Don't ever doubt it, mate.

Likewise; and have a safe one yourself...wherever it is you live!

RC.
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Steveo
If the eh doesn't give it away I am going to have to be very straight forward. I live in Canada hehehe.
Mr Mudd
QUOTE (Steveo+Dec 23 2005, 04:44 PM)
If the eh doesn't give it away I am going to have to be very straight forward. I live in Canada hehehe.

Watch out for frozen balls of mostly Ice.

Texas wishes it could claim to have hail as big as yours.


Diggin' up the dirt

Mr Mudd
Steveo
Hmmm....interesting, I don't remember having big hail where I live. Maybe somewhere else in Canada? We are a big nation.....second biggest in the world actually.
Gee
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Dec 22 2005, 09:01 PM)
Hi all!

Just an observation about those 'god-given' numbers etc.

It might interest some people to know that the "zero" used in many of the above 'numerology' manipulations/operations was INVENTED BY MAN ONLY RELATIVELY RECENTLY so as to make 'better sense' of those other so-called 'god-given' numbers. And so, many of the claims to 'forever/divine' numbers/meanings are untenable because of MAN'S 'construction' of Number Theory and Mathematics/Geometry 'systems' over the millennia (and not from ONE divine 'beginning' point at 'creation' etc.).

Which means that any self-respecting 'divinely-inspired numerologist' MUST AVOID the use of "zero", since it is in fact a MAN-MADE 'correction factor' in the supposedly 'perfect' number system 'handed down by god' etc.

I hope the above helps put this debate/discussion on a more 'genuine' plane. Carry on, mateys!

RC.
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The zero has been implied since the earliest of times in the form of a circle. Which is evident in almost all religions.
And if you are talking about the concept of nothingness go back and read the bible/



Good day mate

Cheers
G
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QUOTE (GeneSplicer+Dec 22 2005, 03:32 PM)
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I didn't come here to argue I came to find people willing to explore but they are driven off by a few small minded pseudo scientists or armchair debaters.

You mean small minded as in calling a rejected email due to a malformed address as “malicious code”?

If you wanted to find like minded individuals of numerology then why did you post on a science debate forum?

Since when did mysticism such as numerology become science if our posts are indeed “pseudoscience”?

If you were looking for people to explore your ideas, why did you not pose the first post in such a manner?

And again, if your ideas have merit and substance, then questions posed and comments made in a debate forum should not cause you to fly off the handle and act in such an irrational and juvenile manner.

BTW, what exactly was it you were going to email me?

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Clingman's Dome go jump off it!
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