The quantity of information flowing into science coffers is growing at a great rate.
The quality of this load historically is always questionable.
The way I came to grips with this dilemma was to "catalogue" all new net information I come across in my wanders into a "forum" style database,..... as it appears other sites try to do.
Such a catalogued site is very useful for reference purposes, especially for net communication, where "books" become almost redundant (because the reference can not be viewed by all).
Wiki has tried to achieve this end via a user input method. This method requires specific inquiries..... much like Google.
What I am seeking is a "perfect method" to achieve this end.
Obviously an artificial brain is an ideal, and towards that end I am striving.
But in between times, what are your thoughts/ideas on this information overload problem ?
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
Obviously an artificial brain is an ideal, and towards that end I am striving.
If only your brain had the processing power of my computer...
If only your brain had the processing power of my computer...
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 18 2008, 02:21 PM)
Obviously an artificial brain is an ideal, and towards that end I am striving.
I wondered why you had your brain removed and placed in a jar
I wondered why you had your brain removed and placed in a jar
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 17 2008, 08:21 PM)
But in between times, what are your thoughts/ideas on this information overload problem ?
Not smoking crack has helped me immensely in the assimilation of new knowledge.
Perhaps you should try it.
Not smoking crack has helped me immensely in the assimilation of new knowledge.
Perhaps you should try it.
QUOTE (marley+Mar 18 2008, 03:33 PM)
... a sensible question posed by someone...
ROFLMAO
You're apparently as ignorant of scientific history as you are of sociology, criminology and psychology. (And the recent history of aminism, the hippy movement, and a few other subjects, no doubt.)
ROFLMAO
You're apparently as ignorant of scientific history as you are of sociology, criminology and psychology. (And the recent history of aminism, the hippy movement, and a few other subjects, no doubt.)
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And here we have the ever helpful and kind Doc and BDW
We do what we can to help the community.
AHAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA
More proof that 9 year olds should not be encouraged to drink strong beer in bars.
I agree - you are proof of that
We do what we can to help the community.
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to a sensible question posed by someone.
AHAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA
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| to a sensible question posed by someone. |
AHAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA
More proof that 9 year olds should not be encouraged to drink strong beer in bars.
I agree - you are proof of that
So you want some sort of information exchange system that doesn't require specific inquiries? I don't really understand what you mean. Aren't specific inquiries a good thing? What is the alternative?
If you are doing this for yourself then I still think books are your best bet, if you are doing it for others and want to really go an artificial brain route then you might want to create an actual database that is programmed to answer inquiries, similar to wikipedia but in a much more specific to the inquiry manner. I could totally misunderstand what you are asking, if so I apologize. I really don't get the quality issue and its relevancy nor do I understand the true goal.
If you are doing this for yourself then I still think books are your best bet, if you are doing it for others and want to really go an artificial brain route then you might want to create an actual database that is programmed to answer inquiries, similar to wikipedia but in a much more specific to the inquiry manner. I could totally misunderstand what you are asking, if so I apologize. I really don't get the quality issue and its relevancy nor do I understand the true goal.
Actually, the only discernable truth here is that out of Doc, BDw and DuzmA, the latter is the only person who has posted something worthwhile. Perhaps Doc and BDW see this place as a bar where they can cast their insults and yeeehaaa at everyone, but actually wouldn't Physorg be a much more interesting place if many conversations were not nipped in the bud by childish behavior?
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Actually, the only discernable truth here is that out of Doc, BDw and DuzmA, the latter is the only person who has posted something worthwhile.
Really? Because we don't agree with you and Zarkov? Not a surprise you think that, then.
We see PhysOrg as a place that would be better off without trolls and cranks like you, Zarkov and StevenA.
We see PhysOrg as a place that would be better off without trolls and cranks like you, Zarkov and StevenA.
but actually wouldn't Physorg be a much more interesting place if many conversations were not nipped in the bud by childish behavior?
enlighten me to this process
enlighten me to this process
I was assuming that the questions posed to the database in question
yes... a plain language query is the ideal
so the device could also act as a teacher... and "put words in your mouth"
However it all IMO comes down to the structure of knowledge.... which at present is a black hole to me
Our brain easily catalogues... all the physical systems I have seen/experienced so far are almost completely deficient.... even forum formats..... they all require some intelligent brain to use them... and 'some' aren't so intelligent LOL
mmh, yes for a machine
no for a human brain.
Abstraction is the key to efficient "stacking"
such that a single word can mean a "whole book" (key word here 'mean')
but understanding (whatever that is) is the magnifying glass.
In AI, it is easy to associate concepts with data
unfortunately what I can not conceive at this time is
>>> What is data... what does knowledge mean in isolation ? >>>
? nothing, so it must be holistic... it must be "intergratable" into "the meaning of everything"
This is the real problem (IMO) the rest is easy
so it is a conceptional stumbling block... just how does the human brain tie it all together in one bundle
Unfortunately, trivia is meaningful, useful..
like junk.... is there such a thing ? or is it all useful.... I may even build a flying saucer out of discarded beer cans..... I once ran a car on them about 40 years ago
Information is all relative... and in science even the relatives are loved
and even prized by way-out minds, and may inspire great achievements.
Now knowledge is not relative but it is all related 'in some way'.
How "In some way" is the holy grail of AI
IMO
Really? Because we don't agree with you and Zarkov? Not a surprise you think that, then.
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Perhaps Doc and BDW see this place as a bar where they can cast their insults and yeeehaaa at everyone,
We see PhysOrg as a place that would be better off without trolls and cranks like you, Zarkov and StevenA.
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| Perhaps Doc and BDW see this place as a bar where they can cast their insults and yeeehaaa at everyone, |
We see PhysOrg as a place that would be better off without trolls and cranks like you, Zarkov and StevenA.
but actually wouldn't Physorg be a much more interesting place if many conversations were not nipped in the bud by childish behavior?
I enforce my IGNORE, but still thread trashed already ! 
Its like a dictionary
if you can't spell the word, how does one look it up ???? (to find its spelling)
Google is much like this...... do you ever get to the 4,785,490 th reference ?
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Aren't specific inquiries a good thing? What is the alternative?
Its like a dictionary
if you can't spell the word, how does one look it up ???? (to find its spelling)
Google is much like this...... do you ever get to the 4,785,490 th reference ?
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I enforce my IGNORE, but still thread trashed already !
That means you haven't enforced it, bozo!
That means you haven't enforced it, bozo!
I understand, but google does present relevant evidence as close as possible to the spelling and wording that you enter. I was assuming that the questions posed to the database in question could be roughly estimated and that your database would be far more specialized than google (the web).
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That means you haven't enforced it, bozo!
enlighten me to this process
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| That means you haven't enforced it, bozo! |
enlighten me to this process
I was assuming that the questions posed to the database in question
yes... a plain language query is the ideal
so the device could also act as a teacher... and "put words in your mouth"
However it all IMO comes down to the structure of knowledge.... which at present is a black hole to me
Our brain easily catalogues... all the physical systems I have seen/experienced so far are almost completely deficient.... even forum formats..... they all require some intelligent brain to use them... and 'some' aren't so intelligent LOL
I’ll give you the end equation to your post here op.
This was, that all superinteligent machines, that so adopt the boss hierarchies of their manufacturing peers, if this peerage is selfish, shall become solitary.
2.Then it would be proposed, that humans through super learning techniques, should become super people and or super learners and disregard the boundaries of their own genetics programmings.
The only problems with these two theorems, is one, does society care?
Did qualified people rush to New Orleans and demand that every New Orleaner, that was displaced in Louisiana, find a place in a guest home?
The answer was no.
Problems associated with superlearners, are that some much information is taken in, when a person can read an entire library and still survive, is that they suffer from P.C. over stacking, or the installing of too many programs placed on a P.C.s hard disk.
Hierarchies must make sense and be affiliated in order for both self intelligent mega computers to make sense and for super learned people to survive.
Too much information always trickles down to one or two time based equations, where {if a need is not demanded, then that application falls to disuse}.
A high and perfect society does not exist, except as the Johnsons Great Society which fell apart, as Vietnam was not an aqusitional target, so the hierarchy attached to it, therefore fell.
This was, that all superinteligent machines, that so adopt the boss hierarchies of their manufacturing peers, if this peerage is selfish, shall become solitary.
2.Then it would be proposed, that humans through super learning techniques, should become super people and or super learners and disregard the boundaries of their own genetics programmings.
The only problems with these two theorems, is one, does society care?
Did qualified people rush to New Orleans and demand that every New Orleaner, that was displaced in Louisiana, find a place in a guest home?
The answer was no.
Problems associated with superlearners, are that some much information is taken in, when a person can read an entire library and still survive, is that they suffer from P.C. over stacking, or the installing of too many programs placed on a P.C.s hard disk.
Hierarchies must make sense and be affiliated in order for both self intelligent mega computers to make sense and for super learned people to survive.
Too much information always trickles down to one or two time based equations, where {if a need is not demanded, then that application falls to disuse}.
A high and perfect society does not exist, except as the Johnsons Great Society which fell apart, as Vietnam was not an aqusitional target, so the hierarchy attached to it, therefore fell.
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a person can read an entire library and still survive, is that they suffer from P.C. over stacking
mmh, yes for a machine
no for a human brain.
Abstraction is the key to efficient "stacking"
such that a single word can mean a "whole book" (key word here 'mean')
but understanding (whatever that is) is the magnifying glass.
In AI, it is easy to associate concepts with data
unfortunately what I can not conceive at this time is
>>> What is data... what does knowledge mean in isolation ? >>>
? nothing, so it must be holistic... it must be "intergratable" into "the meaning of everything"
This is the real problem (IMO) the rest is easy
so it is a conceptional stumbling block... just how does the human brain tie it all together in one bundle
Perhaps knowledge in and of itself is the meaning of everything?
Zarkov said> mmh, yes for a machine
no for a human brain./
Philip intejects; I've gone through this.You do overstack just as an overprogrammed P.C. would.What else are you trying to tell me?
Second retork> Information is not everything, however applications within that o.s. field and the general condition of the hierarchy utilizing it, would mean something, to an extent.
no for a human brain./
Philip intejects; I've gone through this.You do overstack just as an overprogrammed P.C. would.What else are you trying to tell me?
Second retork> Information is not everything, however applications within that o.s. field and the general condition of the hierarchy utilizing it, would mean something, to an extent.
Philip207, you are talking about yourself in the third person again:wacko:
Remember those pills the nice man in the white coat gave you? Take them.
Remember those pills the nice man in the white coat gave you? Take them.
I believe that too much information cannot be organized and we are only able to take in some new information by deleting other knowledge. If our brains were like computers there would still be a limit to how much data it would hold. Therefore I think it is good to be selective in what we try to remember...if there is a system of selective memory, where some information is seen as less important and a hierarchy is set up within the mind, we may become expert at something. For instance we should not try to remember some trivia, so that things that are important may be stacked with other things of import. I have heard things like this many times. I could be wrong but it seems so.
Here is something I googled on the topic of information overload.
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2006...ation-overload/
Here is something I googled on the topic of information overload.
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2006...ation-overload/
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we should not try to remember some trivia, so that things that are important may be stacked with other things of import.
Unfortunately, trivia is meaningful, useful..
like junk.... is there such a thing ? or is it all useful.... I may even build a flying saucer out of discarded beer cans..... I once ran a car on them about 40 years ago
Information is all relative... and in science even the relatives are loved
and even prized by way-out minds, and may inspire great achievements.
Now knowledge is not relative but it is all related 'in some way'.
How "In some way" is the holy grail of AI
IMO
Zarkov,
I've got a solution to your problem
But like you:
Unfortunately, trivia is meaningful, useful..
like junk.... is there such a thing ? or is it all useful.... I may even build a flying saucer out of discarded beer cans..... I once ran a car on them about 40 years ago
Information is all relative... and in science even the relatives are loved
and even prized by way-out minds, and may inspire great achievements.
Now knowledge is not relative but it is all related 'in some way'.
How "In some way" is the holy grail of AI
IMO
Okay.
I've got a solution to your problem
But like you:
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
This is more complex than you imagine..... easy, but it involves a lot of theory/formulations I am not willing to be made public.
Arthur
Arthur
QUOTE (Zarkov+Mar 18 2008, 07:17 PM)
Unfortunately, trivia is meaningful, useful..
like junk.... is there such a thing ? or is it all useful.... I may even build a flying saucer out of discarded beer cans..... I once ran a car on them about 40 years ago
Information is all relative... and in science even the relatives are loved
and even prized by way-out minds, and may inspire great achievements.
Now knowledge is not relative but it is all related 'in some way'.
How "In some way" is the holy grail of AI
IMO
Okay.
from http://www.physorg.com/news125585969.html
LOL, nice
Hang then high, IMO, I give and I take... trust is nice but total control is better LOL.
As far as backfiring, LOL, yes one just gets banned when the heat on the lay-earthlings get too hot. Oh their poor little itty-bitty egos
this syndrome is nicely exhibited on all net-science forums.... and even in uni's and labs......
Typical of the human condition.... LOL
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“Optimally, you want to provide enough information so the other party reaches a certain level of confidence, but stop once you reach that level,” Brocas explained. “Otherwise, it may be the case that more information causes the confidence level to go down.”
The study, “Influence Through Ignorance,” is the first to thoroughly examine situations in which power comes from controlling the flow of public information, as opposed to the possession of private information.
As Brocas and Carrillo explain, there are secrets – facts that are deliberately withheld – and there are facts that are not known to anybody.
“It’s not necessary to have extra information,” Brocas said. “You can induce people to do what you want just by stopping the flow of information or continuing it. That’s enough.”
Notably, the party manipulating the flow of information must deliberately choose to remain uninformed as well – which can backfire.
The study, “Influence Through Ignorance,” is the first to thoroughly examine situations in which power comes from controlling the flow of public information, as opposed to the possession of private information.
As Brocas and Carrillo explain, there are secrets – facts that are deliberately withheld – and there are facts that are not known to anybody.
“It’s not necessary to have extra information,” Brocas said. “You can induce people to do what you want just by stopping the flow of information or continuing it. That’s enough.”
Notably, the party manipulating the flow of information must deliberately choose to remain uninformed as well – which can backfire.
LOL, nice
Hang then high, IMO, I give and I take... trust is nice but total control is better LOL.
As far as backfiring, LOL, yes one just gets banned when the heat on the lay-earthlings get too hot. Oh their poor little itty-bitty egos
this syndrome is nicely exhibited on all net-science forums.... and even in uni's and labs......
Typical of the human condition.... LOL
Interesting topic Zerkoff, considering you would information overload on "Run Spot, Run"
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