Mars is firmly in the grip of Romulus and Remus. It’s small Moons can be used as anchor platforms to build large convex reflectors upon, to track positions on mars where NASA reputes water to be present.
The mirrors would work in both directions allowing them and us to swing around with the Hubble telescope (aswell as radio telemetry) and zoom into areas Remus would be tracking and warming up with its convex mirror. If mars gets wet from the attention and warmth being focused upon it from our distant Sun, then we could observe a Martian White Christmas when the evaporating moisture suddenly begins to condense, around the illuminated areas giving it a white snow capped rim crater.
It might seem like chaos theory, but the ice features could sort themselves out within an evaporation condensation cycle?
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Mars is firmly in the grip of Romulus and Remus
Mars' moons are not name Romulus and Remus.
QUOTE (AlexG+Apr 23 2012, 04:34 PM)
Mars' moons are not name Romulus and Remus.
Yes, he's right. I confused my Astronomy with Roman God's, History, and Mythology. But perhaps they ought have been!
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Martian Moons: Phobos is 27 km long in its longest dimension and Deimos is 15 km long in its longest dimension.
Mars has the largest known volcano called Olympus Mons. We have more than enough `Oxygen' and `Carbon Dioxide' contained in `ferrous ores' covering the surface to give the planet an Himalayan like mountain atmosphere, sort of like the Earth had hundreds of millions of years ago.
Yes and if we could perhaps make some `designer microbes’ with `an ability to bond with hydrogen brought to Mars?’ in an attempt to reduce the iron ores into metals whilst in the process releasing gasses such as greenhouse hydrocarbons into the `Martian Atmosphere’ we could build up the atmospheric pressure to Himalayan levels?
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+Apr 24 2012, 02:40 AM)
Mars has the largest known volcano called Olympus Mons. We have more than enough `Oxygen' and `Carbon Dioxide' contained in `ferrous ores' covering the surface to give the planet an Himalayan like mountain atmosphere, sort of like the Earth had hundreds of millions of years ago.
The minerals on Mars could contain ferous bicarbonates allowing the waters of chistalisation to liberated with the microbe cycles perhaps utilising an analogue to photosynthesis in the reduction process.
The minerals on Mars could contain ferous bicarbonates allowing the waters of chistalisation to liberated with the microbe cycles perhaps utilising an analogue to photosynthesis in the reduction process.
The other I measured the elevation of our autumn Sun with a ruler. {90 degrees minus Tan^(38.5cm/30.48cm)) = 38degrees 38minutes 22seconds.
In the summer when the sun was near overhead my multi-tester was showing 20 watt’s solar power being generated from my portable 7Watt Solar Panel. However, as soon as cloud temporarily obscured the Suns warmth, the power reading suddenly dropped to below 10%.
Mars is almost twice as far away from the sun as the Earth is. The illumination would be a quarter of what we have on Earth.
The Mars rovers have to have power because they can’t fly in 1% of an Atmosphere consisting of CO2 with dust
Convex reflectors would track the rovers visually as-well as GPS whilst focusing the suns rays onto their solar panels
Having a pair of rovers in telescopic sight of each other with the solar reflector having the bulk of the computer brains would assist in preventing disasters of rovers falling of ridges or down craters
All in all they would have like 3D vision with an eye in the sky perspective with much more power and room to build much stronger electric motors.
In the summer when the sun was near overhead my multi-tester was showing 20 watt’s solar power being generated from my portable 7Watt Solar Panel. However, as soon as cloud temporarily obscured the Suns warmth, the power reading suddenly dropped to below 10%.
Mars is almost twice as far away from the sun as the Earth is. The illumination would be a quarter of what we have on Earth.
The Mars rovers have to have power because they can’t fly in 1% of an Atmosphere consisting of CO2 with dust
Convex reflectors would track the rovers visually as-well as GPS whilst focusing the suns rays onto their solar panels
Having a pair of rovers in telescopic sight of each other with the solar reflector having the bulk of the computer brains would assist in preventing disasters of rovers falling of ridges or down craters
All in all they would have like 3D vision with an eye in the sky perspective with much more power and room to build much stronger electric motors.
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+Apr 28 2012, 11:04 PM)
The other day, I measured the elevation of our Autumn Sun with a ruler. {90 degrees minus Tan^-1 (38.5cm/30.48cm)) = 38degrees 38minutes 22seconds.
In the summer when the sun was near overhead, my multi-tester was showing 20 watt’s solar power being generated from my portable 7Watt Solar Panel.
However, as soon as cloud temporarily obscured the Suns warmth, the power reading suddenly dropped to below 10%.
Mars is almost twice as far away from the Sun as the Earth is. The illumination would be a quarter of what we have on Earth.
The Mars rovers have to have power because they can’t fly in 1% of an Atmosphere consisting of CO2 with dust
Convex reflectors would track the rovers visually as-well as GPS whilst focusing the suns rays onto their solar panels
Having a pair of rovers in telescopic sight of each other with the solar reflector having the bulk of the computer brains would assist in preventing disasters of rovers falling of ridges or down craters
All in all they would have like 3D vision with an eye in the sky perspective with much more power and room to build much stronger electric motors.
Yes, having a numerous multitude of autonomous robotic Mars rovers, supervised by an illuminating convex reflector (Providing large amounts of power) would make Martian exploration much more financially viable.
The robotic rovers could be specialised with instruments and technology designed for individual specialized robotic analysis. With focused solar power, much stronger motors could be built and we could have a bull dozer rover on mars to see what it could turn up, and digger aswell.
In the summer when the sun was near overhead, my multi-tester was showing 20 watt’s solar power being generated from my portable 7Watt Solar Panel.
However, as soon as cloud temporarily obscured the Suns warmth, the power reading suddenly dropped to below 10%.
Mars is almost twice as far away from the Sun as the Earth is. The illumination would be a quarter of what we have on Earth.
The Mars rovers have to have power because they can’t fly in 1% of an Atmosphere consisting of CO2 with dust
Convex reflectors would track the rovers visually as-well as GPS whilst focusing the suns rays onto their solar panels
Having a pair of rovers in telescopic sight of each other with the solar reflector having the bulk of the computer brains would assist in preventing disasters of rovers falling of ridges or down craters
All in all they would have like 3D vision with an eye in the sky perspective with much more power and room to build much stronger electric motors.
Yes, having a numerous multitude of autonomous robotic Mars rovers, supervised by an illuminating convex reflector (Providing large amounts of power) would make Martian exploration much more financially viable.
The robotic rovers could be specialised with instruments and technology designed for individual specialized robotic analysis. With focused solar power, much stronger motors could be built and we could have a bull dozer rover on mars to see what it could turn up, and digger aswell.
Landing a `Micro Factory’ the size of a `Mini Bus' would be a valuable step forward.
The `Micro Factories’ function would be to use a `Liquid Nitrogen' based freezer to collect large amounts of the CO2 atmosphere to refill reusable metal bottles. By converting the available `Solar Power’ into, compressed CO2 power in a bottle.
These CO2 filled metal bottles would be used as power packs like compressed air cylinders are used to power cars, fly small rocket crafts, operate compressed air jack hammers, not to mention the limbs on robots.
The `Micro Factories’ function would be to use a `Liquid Nitrogen' based freezer to collect large amounts of the CO2 atmosphere to refill reusable metal bottles. By converting the available `Solar Power’ into, compressed CO2 power in a bottle.
These CO2 filled metal bottles would be used as power packs like compressed air cylinders are used to power cars, fly small rocket crafts, operate compressed air jack hammers, not to mention the limbs on robots.
QUOTE (NanoBillthe3rd @ May 2 2012, 10:33 PM)
I will sell you the acceleration, but it going to cost you fuel!
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Well then perhaps 7 ArmstrongG's would give your space family a terrestrial mass of 7%.
Perhaps keep the interplanetary speed limit under x? million mph by rolling the craft longways, decelerating but maintaining 7 ArmstongGe's.
Because if you miss your destination your going to be in deep space!
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Perhaps rockets and acceleration should be best migrated into my other thread in the `Space' section within the forum titled Ice Melt Mars
This post has been edited by mooncamera's on Today at 12:08 AM
Rockets with the `comfort of inertial gravity' would have to be be build with nuclear engines to maintain affordability.
An interesting sideline: I think the word: `Atom, intrest in it, and space-time,' could have been derived from the French word `TOME' meaning `Book Volume'
Hence TO/ME and `spliting the atom' into two equal volumes: si oi oi?
I will sell you the acceleration, but it going to cost you fuel!
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Well then perhaps 7 ArmstrongG's would give your space family a terrestrial mass of 7%.
Perhaps keep the interplanetary speed limit under x? million mph by rolling the craft longways, decelerating but maintaining 7 ArmstongGe's.
Because if you miss your destination your going to be in deep space!
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Perhaps rockets and acceleration should be best migrated into my other thread in the `Space' section within the forum titled Ice Melt Mars
This post has been edited by mooncamera's on Today at 12:08 AM
Rockets with the `comfort of inertial gravity' would have to be be build with nuclear engines to maintain affordability.
An interesting sideline: I think the word: `Atom, intrest in it, and space-time,' could have been derived from the French word `TOME' meaning `Book Volume'
Hence TO/ME and `spliting the atom' into two equal volumes: si oi oi?
Traveling in a spaceraft with the comfort of 7 ArmstongGe's Inertial gravity, it would take such long:
{(2)(227.49)(Billion Metres)/(2Midwhey)(9.8)(0.07)}^1/2 = 814393.1186 seconds = 9 days 10 hours 13 minutes 13 seconds
Reaching a velocity of:
{(2)(007)(9.8)(227.94)(Billion Metres)}^1/2 = 176668.1296 ms^-1 = 636,005
when such the space craft would be rolled longways and decellerated another 9 days 10 hours 13 minutes 13 seconds with the comfort of 7 ArmstrongGe's.
The Spacecraft can do easily do 8 to 9 ArmstrongGe's.
But no do Coasta Con Cordia wheelies around the rings of Saturn!
The Sexylooker Flying Hotel would be assembled in outer-space.
The `Nuclear Engines' would be built on Earth, and be launched `as part within' a Liquid-Fuel Terrestrial Rocket.
The `Nuclear Engine' part of the Rockets would Dock with the Spacecraft `attaching themselves to both sides of the spacecraft' like: `solid state boosters'.
The Nuclear Engines could rotate `Back-To-Front and 360 degree's.'
7 ArmstrongGe's is such a gentle acceleration: An International space station could be reinforced to `such tolerance specifications' with similar nuclear engines fitted. And gently projected towards mars with 7 ArmstrongGe's.
The International Spacestation could the enter into an agreeable Mars orbit safely.
The `Nuclear Engines' would be built on Earth, and be launched `as part within' a Liquid-Fuel Terrestrial Rocket.
The `Nuclear Engine' part of the Rockets would Dock with the Spacecraft `attaching themselves to both sides of the spacecraft' like: `solid state boosters'.
The Nuclear Engines could rotate `Back-To-Front and 360 degree's.'
7 ArmstrongGe's is such a gentle acceleration: An International space station could be reinforced to `such tolerance specifications' with similar nuclear engines fitted. And gently projected towards mars with 7 ArmstrongGe's.
The International Spacestation could the enter into an agreeable Mars orbit safely.
QUOTE (mooncamera's+May 5 2012, 01:13 AM)
The Sexylooker Flying Hotel would be assembled in outer-space.
The `Nuclear Engines' would be built on Earth, and be launched `as part within' a Liquid-Fuel Terrestrial Rocket.
The `Nuclear Engine' part of the Rockets would Dock with the Spacecraft `attaching themselves to both sides of the spacecraft' like: `solid state boosters'.
The Nuclear Engines could rotate `Back-To-Front and 360 degree's.'
7 ArmstrongGe's is such a gentle acceleration: An International space station could be reinforced to `such tolerance specifications' with similar nuclear engines fitted. And gently projected towards mars with 7 ArmstrongGe's.
The International Spacestation could the enter into an agreeable Mars orbit safely.
CO2 Powered `Work Robots’ on Mars could fill large metal containers with geological mineral specimens.
The `Space Station' in orbit around the small planet could easily winch the container aboard with a `long high tensile strength tether'.
The `Martian gravity is 1/3' of Earths and: eases much more quickly with altitude than around Earth.
Geological specimens the Moon and Mars could be winched into orbit like a rescue helicopter winches people to Safety.
The `Nuclear Engines' would be built on Earth, and be launched `as part within' a Liquid-Fuel Terrestrial Rocket.
The `Nuclear Engine' part of the Rockets would Dock with the Spacecraft `attaching themselves to both sides of the spacecraft' like: `solid state boosters'.
The Nuclear Engines could rotate `Back-To-Front and 360 degree's.'
7 ArmstrongGe's is such a gentle acceleration: An International space station could be reinforced to `such tolerance specifications' with similar nuclear engines fitted. And gently projected towards mars with 7 ArmstrongGe's.
The International Spacestation could the enter into an agreeable Mars orbit safely.
CO2 Powered `Work Robots’ on Mars could fill large metal containers with geological mineral specimens.
The `Space Station' in orbit around the small planet could easily winch the container aboard with a `long high tensile strength tether'.
The `Martian gravity is 1/3' of Earths and: eases much more quickly with altitude than around Earth.
Geological specimens the Moon and Mars could be winched into orbit like a rescue helicopter winches people to Safety.
QUOTE (Highteller+May 6 2012, 10:56 PM)
CO2 Powered `Work Robots’ on Mars could fill large metal containers with geological mineral specimens.
The `Space Station' in orbit around the small planet could easily winch the container aboard with a `long high tensile strength tether'.
The `Martian gravity is 1/3' of Earths and: eases much more quickly with altitude than around Earth.
Geological specimens the Moon and Mars could be winched into orbit like a rescue helicopter winches people to Safety.
The metal containers would have Compressed CO2 gas cylinders fitted from the `CO2 Micro Factories’ The CO2 would be heated in thrusters allowing larger containers with larger loads of geological mineral specimens to be winched up to the Space Station.
The `Space Station' in orbit around the small planet could easily winch the container aboard with a `long high tensile strength tether'.
The `Martian gravity is 1/3' of Earths and: eases much more quickly with altitude than around Earth.
Geological specimens the Moon and Mars could be winched into orbit like a rescue helicopter winches people to Safety.
The metal containers would have Compressed CO2 gas cylinders fitted from the `CO2 Micro Factories’ The CO2 would be heated in thrusters allowing larger containers with larger loads of geological mineral specimens to be winched up to the Space Station.
QUOTE (Cheezeus+May 6 2012, 11:31 PM)
The metal containers would have Compressed CO2 gas cylinders fitted from the `CO2 Micro Factories’ The CO2 would be heated in thrusters allowing larger containers with larger loads of geological mineral specimens to be winched up to the Space Station.
The empty cargo ships could be filled with `Au-Naturel Gaz' when traveling from Earth to Mars to make hot CAC powered machines like the rocket powered rock dumpster.
It all adds up and much:
A much warmer greenhouse gas then CO2, it would release the water reputed to be beneath the surface of Mars
The empty cargo ships could be filled with `Au-Naturel Gaz' when traveling from Earth to Mars to make hot CAC powered machines like the rocket powered rock dumpster.
It all adds up and much:
A much warmer greenhouse gas then CO2, it would release the water reputed to be beneath the surface of Mars
QUOTE (Cheezeus+May 6 2012, 11:31 PM)
The metal containers would have Compressed CO2 gas cylinders fitted from the `CO2 Micro Factories’ The CO2 would be heated in thrusters allowing larger containers with larger loads of geological mineral specimens to be winched up to the Space Station.
Yes, the `empty metal containers' rappelling down the long `Space Station' tether would have to be fitted with `Hot CAC thrusters'.
The Empty `Cargo Ship' and `Space Station' are in Geo Synchronous orbit around the equator of Mars.
This is in a `very high position in space and traveling much faster around the planet' than the surface.
The container being lowered down the tether has to be flown down with the tether by remote controls and computers:
So as it lands in the proper area having equal speed with the surface of the planet (Carousel Forces).
Yes, the `empty metal containers' rappelling down the long `Space Station' tether would have to be fitted with `Hot CAC thrusters'.
The Empty `Cargo Ship' and `Space Station' are in Geo Synchronous orbit around the equator of Mars.
This is in a `very high position in space and traveling much faster around the planet' than the surface.
The container being lowered down the tether has to be flown down with the tether by remote controls and computers:
So as it lands in the proper area having equal speed with the surface of the planet (Carousel Forces).
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+Apr 28 2012, 11:04 PM)
The other I measured the elevation of our autumn Sun with a ruler. {90 degrees minus Tan^-1(38.5cm/30.48cm)) = {38 degrees 38 minutes 22 seconds.}
In the summer when the Suns near overhead, my multi-tester reading showed 20 watt’s solar power being generated from my portable 7 Watt Solar Panel. However, as soon as cloud temporarily obscured the Suns warmth, the power reading suddenly dropped to below 10%.
Mars is almost twice as far away from the sun as the Earth is. The illumination would be a quarter of what we have on Earth.
The Mars rovers have to have power because they can’t fly in 1% of an Atmosphere consisting of CO2 with dust
Convex reflectors would track the rovers visually as-well as GPS whilst focusing the suns rays onto their solar panels
Having a pair of rovers in telescopic sight of each other with the solar reflector having the bulk of the computer brains would assist in preventing disasters of rovers falling of ridges or down craters
All in all they would have like 3D vision with an eye in the sky perspective with much more power and room to build much stronger electric motors.
5.8.12 11 AM EST
Beautiful Clear Turquoise Skies:
Not a cloud anywhere obscuring my 7 Watt portable Solar Panel.
The Multi-tester showed 0.11 Amperes current with 19.81 Volts potential.
I measured the Autumn Suns Elevation (5.8.12 AM EST)
{90 – Tan^-1(57.75cm/30.48cm)} = 27 Degrees 49’ 26.75”
The 7 Watt Solar Panel produced `0.11 Amperes’ times `19.81 Volts’: 2.1791 Watts
By tilting the solar panel from 180 Degrees to tangent of {27 Degrees 49` 26.75”} roughly increased by 100%
However `2.1791 Watts (180Degrees) in Autumn is 10%’ of the power produced `High Noon’ on a `Clear Summers’ day
I measured it again at `High Noon' and had risen to 32 Degrees 20' 50.8" with my solar panel producing 0.14 Amperes with 19.33 Volts potential = 2.7062 Watts (180 Degrees untitled)
In the summer when the Suns near overhead, my multi-tester reading showed 20 watt’s solar power being generated from my portable 7 Watt Solar Panel. However, as soon as cloud temporarily obscured the Suns warmth, the power reading suddenly dropped to below 10%.
Mars is almost twice as far away from the sun as the Earth is. The illumination would be a quarter of what we have on Earth.
The Mars rovers have to have power because they can’t fly in 1% of an Atmosphere consisting of CO2 with dust
Convex reflectors would track the rovers visually as-well as GPS whilst focusing the suns rays onto their solar panels
Having a pair of rovers in telescopic sight of each other with the solar reflector having the bulk of the computer brains would assist in preventing disasters of rovers falling of ridges or down craters
All in all they would have like 3D vision with an eye in the sky perspective with much more power and room to build much stronger electric motors.
5.8.12 11 AM EST
Beautiful Clear Turquoise Skies:
Not a cloud anywhere obscuring my 7 Watt portable Solar Panel.
The Multi-tester showed 0.11 Amperes current with 19.81 Volts potential.
I measured the Autumn Suns Elevation (5.8.12 AM EST)
{90 – Tan^-1(57.75cm/30.48cm)} = 27 Degrees 49’ 26.75”
The 7 Watt Solar Panel produced `0.11 Amperes’ times `19.81 Volts’: 2.1791 Watts
By tilting the solar panel from 180 Degrees to tangent of {27 Degrees 49` 26.75”} roughly increased by 100%
However `2.1791 Watts (180Degrees) in Autumn is 10%’ of the power produced `High Noon’ on a `Clear Summers’ day
I measured it again at `High Noon' and had risen to 32 Degrees 20' 50.8" with my solar panel producing 0.14 Amperes with 19.33 Volts potential = 2.7062 Watts (180 Degrees untitled)
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+May 8 2012, 01:23 AM)
5.8.12 11 AM EST
Beautiful Clear Turquoise Skies:
Not a cloud anywhere obscuring my 7 Watt portable Solar Panel.
The Multi-tester showed 0.11 Amperes current with 19.81 Volts potential.
I measured the Autumn Suns Elevation (5.8.12 AM EST)
{90 – Tan^-1(57.75cm/30.48cm)} = 27 Degrees 49’ 26.75”
The 7 Watt Solar Panel produced `0.11 Amperes’ times `19.81 Volts’: 2.1791 Watts
By tilting the solar panel from 180 Degrees to tangent of {27 Degrees 49` 26.75”} roughly increased by 100%
However `2.1791 Watts (180Degrees) in Autumn is 10%’ of the power produced `High Noon’ on a `Clear Summers’ day
I measured it again at `High Noon' and had risen to 32 Degrees 20' 50.8" with my solar panel producing 0.14 Amperes with 19.33 Volts potential = 2.7062 Watts (180 Degrees untitled)
I think the convex reflectors are good illumination as-well as a means of providing good telemetry remote and computer control. However the convex reflectors could be designed to transmit large Power Station levels of electricity as microwaves beamed to receiver platform stations all around Mars.
My space crafts Nuclear Engines would be used to generate electricity when it's in an agreable orbit with Mars. The power received as microwaves would be converted into electricity to produce a power grid and electify the `Micro Factories'
If we are going to be using `Hot CAC’ tethers speeding down from the Space Station, then using `Micro Factories ‘to produce Compressed CO2 cylinders to power machinery all around Mars, then their have to be railways built of some sort to bring the geological mineral specimens to the equator to be winched up the tether with `Hot CAC assist thrusters’ into the Space Station and Cargo Ship.
Minerals quarried from Mars would always be more valuable than from overseas because they’re from another world.
Same as `Mississippi Mud’ is more valuable than `Regular Mud’
When waters start to flow again on Mars, from `Greenhouse Hydrocarbon Warming’
How much would people be prepared to pay for a `Martian Mud Pie?
By the way, what flavor cement do you prefer in your Mars Experiments? Because most of the time Mars is frozen over?
Beautiful Clear Turquoise Skies:
Not a cloud anywhere obscuring my 7 Watt portable Solar Panel.
The Multi-tester showed 0.11 Amperes current with 19.81 Volts potential.
I measured the Autumn Suns Elevation (5.8.12 AM EST)
{90 – Tan^-1(57.75cm/30.48cm)} = 27 Degrees 49’ 26.75”
The 7 Watt Solar Panel produced `0.11 Amperes’ times `19.81 Volts’: 2.1791 Watts
By tilting the solar panel from 180 Degrees to tangent of {27 Degrees 49` 26.75”} roughly increased by 100%
However `2.1791 Watts (180Degrees) in Autumn is 10%’ of the power produced `High Noon’ on a `Clear Summers’ day
I measured it again at `High Noon' and had risen to 32 Degrees 20' 50.8" with my solar panel producing 0.14 Amperes with 19.33 Volts potential = 2.7062 Watts (180 Degrees untitled)
I think the convex reflectors are good illumination as-well as a means of providing good telemetry remote and computer control. However the convex reflectors could be designed to transmit large Power Station levels of electricity as microwaves beamed to receiver platform stations all around Mars.
My space crafts Nuclear Engines would be used to generate electricity when it's in an agreable orbit with Mars. The power received as microwaves would be converted into electricity to produce a power grid and electify the `Micro Factories'
If we are going to be using `Hot CAC’ tethers speeding down from the Space Station, then using `Micro Factories ‘to produce Compressed CO2 cylinders to power machinery all around Mars, then their have to be railways built of some sort to bring the geological mineral specimens to the equator to be winched up the tether with `Hot CAC assist thrusters’ into the Space Station and Cargo Ship.
Minerals quarried from Mars would always be more valuable than from overseas because they’re from another world.
Same as `Mississippi Mud’ is more valuable than `Regular Mud’
When waters start to flow again on Mars, from `Greenhouse Hydrocarbon Warming’
How much would people be prepared to pay for a `Martian Mud Pie?
By the way, what flavor cement do you prefer in your Mars Experiments? Because most of the time Mars is frozen over?
Are warm `Greenhouse Hydrocarbons' soluble in Martian water?, and do we have designer microbes on Earth we could use to ferment the solution into alcohol?
Perhaps we have microbes on Earth capable of digesting the dissolved hydrocarbons into into Oxygen Water and CO2?
Perhaps we have microbes on Earth capable of digesting the dissolved hydrocarbons into into Oxygen Water and CO2?
QUOTE (Twaterpretty+May 10 2012, 06:02 AM)
Are warm `Greenhouse Hydrocarbons' soluble in Martian water?, and do we have designer microbes on Earth we could use to ferment the solution into alcohol?
Perhaps we have microbes on Earth capable of digesting the dissolved hydrocarbons into into Oxygen Water and CO2?
H, H20, CH4, (CH3)2.CH2, C4H10 .CO3.(H20) + enzyme/microbe =>CH2CH3OH + H20?
It all has to add up! what's missing here in the `chemical equation' is the large amounts of oxygen to reduce the `introduced hydrocarbons Hydrogen' into water with the carbon into CO2. We would also like an introduced Nitrogen cycle plants depend upon
But we like Mars
Perhaps we have microbes on Earth capable of digesting the dissolved hydrocarbons into into Oxygen Water and CO2?
H, H20, CH4, (CH3)2.CH2, C4H10 .CO3.(H20) + enzyme/microbe =>CH2CH3OH + H20?
It all has to add up! what's missing here in the `chemical equation' is the large amounts of oxygen to reduce the `introduced hydrocarbons Hydrogen' into water with the carbon into CO2. We would also like an introduced Nitrogen cycle plants depend upon
But we like Mars
When power tools are aspirated with hydrocarbon fuels then H2O2 + N20 would be injected into the combustion cylinder.
Best fuels to use on Mars would be Diesel Peroxide Nitrous Oxide.
N2 + H2O would be byproducts of machinery activity and work done.
The best place to smelt `Mega Tonnes of Metal Ore's 'with Mega Tonnes of Earths Carbon (MontanaCoal eg) without releasing all the byproduct CO2 smog into our already warming Earth is to export our `smelting earmarked carbon' to `Mars' whilst `importing clean refined metals' to Earth from Mars.
If your family own fossil fuel mine everyone could become rich down the tract
Mars could use a smog
Best fuels to use on Mars would be Diesel Peroxide Nitrous Oxide.
N2 + H2O would be byproducts of machinery activity and work done.
The best place to smelt `Mega Tonnes of Metal Ore's 'with Mega Tonnes of Earths Carbon (MontanaCoal eg) without releasing all the byproduct CO2 smog into our already warming Earth is to export our `smelting earmarked carbon' to `Mars' whilst `importing clean refined metals' to Earth from Mars.
If your family own fossil fuel mine everyone could become rich down the tract
Mars could use a smog
QUOTE (mooncamera's+May 11 2012, 01:02 AM)
When power tools are aspirated with hydrocarbon fuels then H2O2 + N20 would be injected into the combustion cylinder.
Best fuels to use on Mars would be Diesel Peroxide Nitrous Oxide.
N2 + H2O would be byproducts of machinery activity and work done.
The best place to smelt `Mega Tonnes of Metal Ore's 'with Mega Tonnes of Earths Carbon (MontanaCoal eg) without releasing all the byproduct CO2 smog into our already warming Earth is to export our `smelting earmarked carbon' to `Mars' whilst `importing clean refined metals' to Earth from Mars.
If your family own fossil fuel mine everyone could become rich down the tract
Mars could use a smog
On Earth we could use Solar Power to liberate the O2 from water whilst bonding some of our most `abundant(70%) gas' N2 with the hydrogen from water to produce large amounts of NH4(NO3)3
Large scale production of N2O could begin aswell.
Mars could do so much for us. If we can blast pellets of dueterium with lasers to propel spacecraft then we could blast pellets of NH4(NO3)3 dipped with deisel as a means of propulsion on Mars.
Robots need only apply. (Plated with non-corrodable metals because of byproduct reactions like NO3 + O + NO2 + H2O2/H2O => HNO3 + H2O
Best fuels to use on Mars would be Diesel Peroxide Nitrous Oxide.
N2 + H2O would be byproducts of machinery activity and work done.
The best place to smelt `Mega Tonnes of Metal Ore's 'with Mega Tonnes of Earths Carbon (MontanaCoal eg) without releasing all the byproduct CO2 smog into our already warming Earth is to export our `smelting earmarked carbon' to `Mars' whilst `importing clean refined metals' to Earth from Mars.
If your family own fossil fuel mine everyone could become rich down the tract
Mars could use a smog
On Earth we could use Solar Power to liberate the O2 from water whilst bonding some of our most `abundant(70%) gas' N2 with the hydrogen from water to produce large amounts of NH4(NO3)3
Large scale production of N2O could begin aswell.
Mars could do so much for us. If we can blast pellets of dueterium with lasers to propel spacecraft then we could blast pellets of NH4(NO3)3 dipped with deisel as a means of propulsion on Mars.
Robots need only apply. (Plated with non-corrodable metals because of byproduct reactions like NO3 + O + NO2 + H2O2/H2O => HNO3 + H2O
QUOTE (mooncamera's+May 11 2012, 02:44 AM)
On Earth we could use Solar Power to liberate the O2 from water whilst bonding some of our most `abundant(70%) gas' N2 with the hydrogen from water to produce large amounts of NH4(NO3)3
Large scale production of N2O could begin aswell.
Mars could do so much for us. If we can blast pellets of dueterium with lasers to propel spacecraft then we could blast pellets of NH4(NO3)3 dipped with deisel as a means of propulsion on Mars.
Robots need only apply. (Plated with non-corrodable metals because of byproduct reactions like NO3 + O + NO2 + H2O2/H2O => HNO3 + H2O
Just aswell, I'm not going down `an elevator with a load of fertilizer in it'! Besides isn't it dangerous?
If you’re sailing a large ship filled with fertilizer and you hit an iceberg in the dark `It could go down: with a big BANG!!!'
But would anyone hear it?
Large scale production of N2O could begin aswell.
Mars could do so much for us. If we can blast pellets of dueterium with lasers to propel spacecraft then we could blast pellets of NH4(NO3)3 dipped with deisel as a means of propulsion on Mars.
Robots need only apply. (Plated with non-corrodable metals because of byproduct reactions like NO3 + O + NO2 + H2O2/H2O => HNO3 + H2O
Just aswell, I'm not going down `an elevator with a load of fertilizer in it'! Besides isn't it dangerous?
If you’re sailing a large ship filled with fertilizer and you hit an iceberg in the dark `It could go down: with a big BANG!!!'
But would anyone hear it?
QUOTE (T B Tighten+May 11 2012, 03:23 AM)
Just aswell, I'm not going down `an elevator with a load of fertilizer in it'! Besides isn't it dangerous?
If you’re sailing a large ship filled with fertilizer and you hit an iceberg in the dark `It could go down: with a big BANG!!!'
But would anyone hear it?
All the wealth from Mars, Hard work, would be comming from robots
If you’re sailing a large ship filled with fertilizer and you hit an iceberg in the dark `It could go down: with a big BANG!!!'
But would anyone hear it?
All the wealth from Mars, Hard work, would be comming from robots
QUOTE (T B Tighten+May 11 2012, 03:23 AM)
Just aswell, I'm not going down `an elevator with a load of fertilizer in it'! Besides isn't it dangerous?
If you’re sailing a large ship filled with fertilizer and you hit an iceberg in the dark `It could go down: with a big BANG!!!'
But would anyone hear it?
All the wealth from Mars, Hard work, would be comming from robots
If you’re sailing a large ship filled with fertilizer and you hit an iceberg in the dark `It could go down: with a big BANG!!!'
But would anyone hear it?
All the wealth from Mars, Hard work, would be comming from robots
QUOTE (The Red Hen+May 11 2012, 04:06 AM)
All the wealth from Mars, Hard work, would be comming from robots
You can say that again!
You can say that again!
QUOTE (Twaterpretty+May 10 2012, 06:02 AM)
Are warm `Greenhouse Hydrocarbons' soluble in Martian water?, and do we have designer microbes on Earth we could use to ferment the solution into alcohol?
Perhaps we have microbes on Earth capable of digesting the dissolved hydrocarbons into into Oxygen Water and CO2?
I would like to truck her Martian liqour home in a big cargo ship (spacecraft)
Perhaps we have microbes on Earth capable of digesting the dissolved hydrocarbons into into Oxygen Water and CO2?
I would like to truck her Martian liqour home in a big cargo ship (spacecraft)
QUOTE (mooncamera's+Apr 24 2012, 02:49 AM)
Yes and if we could perhaps make some `designer microbes’ with `an ability to bond with hydrogen brought to Mars?’ in an attempt to reduce the iron ores into metals whilst in the process releasing gasses such as greenhouse hydrocarbons into the `Martian Atmosphere’ we could build up the atmospheric pressure to Himalayan levels?
If you want to play geoengineer, then why not start a little closer to home. Instead of manufacturing environments and life forms where they really shouldn’t be, why not take a more realistic and practical approach and restore environments and life forms that would still exist if your species had not been so prodigious. Leave space travel for beings that don’t have a need to consume and ravage the places they inhabit.
These guys could use your talents.
http://rewilding.org/rewildit/
If you want to play geoengineer, then why not start a little closer to home. Instead of manufacturing environments and life forms where they really shouldn’t be, why not take a more realistic and practical approach and restore environments and life forms that would still exist if your species had not been so prodigious. Leave space travel for beings that don’t have a need to consume and ravage the places they inhabit.
These guys could use your talents.
http://rewilding.org/rewildit/
QUOTE (mooncamera's+May 8 2012, 03:53 AM)
I think the convex reflectors are good illumination as-well as a means of providing good telemetry remote and computer control. However the convex reflectors could be designed to transmit large Power Station levels of electricity as microwaves beamed to receiver platform stations all around Mars.
My space crafts Nuclear Engines would be used to generate electricity when it's in an agreable orbit with Mars. The power received as microwaves would be converted into electricity to produce a power grid and electify the `Micro Factories'
If we are going to be using `Hot CAC’ tethers speeding down from the Space Station, then using `Micro Factories ‘to produce Compressed CO2 cylinders to power machinery all around Mars, then their have to be railways built of some sort to bring the geological mineral specimens to the equator to be winched up the tether with `Hot CAC assist thrusters’ into the Space Station and Cargo Ship.
Minerals quarried from Mars would always be more valuable than from overseas because they’re from another world.
Same as `Mississippi Mud’ is more valuable than `Regular Mud’
When waters start to flow again on Mars, from `Greenhouse Hydrocarbon Warming’
How much would people be prepared to pay for a `Martian Mud Pie?
By the way, what flavor cement do you prefer in your Mars Experiments? Because most of the time Mars is frozen over?
When water flowed on Mars millions of years ago, as rock samples suggest; the planet must have had a reasonable atmospheric pressure.
Water won’t ever flow on Mars again whilst the pressure is 1% of an Earth Atmosphere.
Speculation suggests there is water under the surface of the topsoil in places below zero centigrade.
If the planet warmed up `the so called water': would directly evaporate from `Ice into cloud vapour' not water. We would have a misty planet with such low atmospheric pressure.
Cement and concrete can’t use mist as an ingredient. If you think you can make cement using crunchy Ice as an ingredient; then tell us about it.
Roads could be built on mars, but not with bitumen or concrete. Perhaps sealing `Martian crushed rocks' with special `binary thermo-plastic resins' to form an analogue to the bitumen truck highways we use on Earth.
My space crafts Nuclear Engines would be used to generate electricity when it's in an agreable orbit with Mars. The power received as microwaves would be converted into electricity to produce a power grid and electify the `Micro Factories'
If we are going to be using `Hot CAC’ tethers speeding down from the Space Station, then using `Micro Factories ‘to produce Compressed CO2 cylinders to power machinery all around Mars, then their have to be railways built of some sort to bring the geological mineral specimens to the equator to be winched up the tether with `Hot CAC assist thrusters’ into the Space Station and Cargo Ship.
Minerals quarried from Mars would always be more valuable than from overseas because they’re from another world.
Same as `Mississippi Mud’ is more valuable than `Regular Mud’
When waters start to flow again on Mars, from `Greenhouse Hydrocarbon Warming’
How much would people be prepared to pay for a `Martian Mud Pie?
By the way, what flavor cement do you prefer in your Mars Experiments? Because most of the time Mars is frozen over?
When water flowed on Mars millions of years ago, as rock samples suggest; the planet must have had a reasonable atmospheric pressure.
Water won’t ever flow on Mars again whilst the pressure is 1% of an Earth Atmosphere.
Speculation suggests there is water under the surface of the topsoil in places below zero centigrade.
If the planet warmed up `the so called water': would directly evaporate from `Ice into cloud vapour' not water. We would have a misty planet with such low atmospheric pressure.
Cement and concrete can’t use mist as an ingredient. If you think you can make cement using crunchy Ice as an ingredient; then tell us about it.
Roads could be built on mars, but not with bitumen or concrete. Perhaps sealing `Martian crushed rocks' with special `binary thermo-plastic resins' to form an analogue to the bitumen truck highways we use on Earth.
QUOTE (Guest+May 26 2012, 10:08 PM)
When water flowed on Mars millions of years ago, as rock samples suggest; the planet must have had a reasonable atmospheric pressure.
Water won’t ever flow on Mars again whilst the pressure is 1% of an Earth Atmosphere.
Speculation suggests there is water under the surface of the topsoil in places below zero centigrade.
If the planet warmed up `the so called water': would directly evaporate from `Ice into cloud vapour' not water. We would have a misty planet with such low atmospheric pressure.
Cement and concrete can’t use mist as an ingredient. If you think you can make cement using crunchy Ice as an ingredient; then tell us about it.
Roads could be built on mars, but not with bitumen or concrete. Perhaps sealing `Martian crushed rocks' with special `binary thermo-plastic resins' to form an analogue to the bitumen truck highways we use on Earth.
This is a good idea: `Crushed Rocks sealed with plastic resins' could be used to build thick `Castle like walls'.
The planet doesn’t need skyscrapers; it needs Warehouses with flexible uncrackable ceiling containing a minimum of ten foot of crushed rocks to shield cosmic radiation.
They would be built up in `one foot' steel reinforced layers `upto ten foot thickness'. Enabling easy dismantling if a another floor has to be built
The alternative would be to `carve out directly into the sides of solid rock mountains ranges' and build walls and roads with such `rocks and resins’
Water won’t ever flow on Mars again whilst the pressure is 1% of an Earth Atmosphere.
Speculation suggests there is water under the surface of the topsoil in places below zero centigrade.
If the planet warmed up `the so called water': would directly evaporate from `Ice into cloud vapour' not water. We would have a misty planet with such low atmospheric pressure.
Cement and concrete can’t use mist as an ingredient. If you think you can make cement using crunchy Ice as an ingredient; then tell us about it.
Roads could be built on mars, but not with bitumen or concrete. Perhaps sealing `Martian crushed rocks' with special `binary thermo-plastic resins' to form an analogue to the bitumen truck highways we use on Earth.
This is a good idea: `Crushed Rocks sealed with plastic resins' could be used to build thick `Castle like walls'.
The planet doesn’t need skyscrapers; it needs Warehouses with flexible uncrackable ceiling containing a minimum of ten foot of crushed rocks to shield cosmic radiation.
They would be built up in `one foot' steel reinforced layers `upto ten foot thickness'. Enabling easy dismantling if a another floor has to be built
The alternative would be to `carve out directly into the sides of solid rock mountains ranges' and build walls and roads with such `rocks and resins’
QUOTE (Highteller+May 26 2012, 10:55 PM)
This is a good idea: `Crushed Rocks sealed with plastic resins' could be used to build thick `Castle like walls'.
The planet doesn’t need skyscrapers; it needs Warehouses with flexible uncrackable ceiling containing a minimum of ten foot of crushed rocks to shield cosmic radiation.
They would be built up in `one foot' steel reinforced layers `upto ten foot thickness'. Enabling easy dismantling if a another floor has to be built
The alternative would be to `carve out directly into the sides of solid rock mountains ranges' and build walls and roads with such `rocks and resins’
Are you below kissing my rock?
Isn't a Martian `mine-there', or a factory-mine `Ant Farm of whatever overseas" at the expense of the unemployed's `mine-here's HA?
The planet doesn’t need skyscrapers; it needs Warehouses with flexible uncrackable ceiling containing a minimum of ten foot of crushed rocks to shield cosmic radiation.
They would be built up in `one foot' steel reinforced layers `upto ten foot thickness'. Enabling easy dismantling if a another floor has to be built
The alternative would be to `carve out directly into the sides of solid rock mountains ranges' and build walls and roads with such `rocks and resins’
Are you below kissing my rock?
Isn't a Martian `mine-there', or a factory-mine `Ant Farm of whatever overseas" at the expense of the unemployed's `mine-here's HA?
QUOTE (Cheezus+May 27 2012, 02:21 AM)
Are you below kissing my rock?
Isn't a Martian `mine-there', or a factory-mine `Ant Farm of whatever overseas" at the expense of the unemployed's `mine-here's HA?
How much are the `Suites' on the Martian `Space Station' ?
They always call me `Miss Titan' for short, but not for long: How much?
Isn't a Martian `mine-there', or a factory-mine `Ant Farm of whatever overseas" at the expense of the unemployed's `mine-here's HA?
How much are the `Suites' on the Martian `Space Station' ?
They always call me `Miss Titan' for short, but not for long: How much?
QUOTE (DivaRent+May 29 2012, 01:01 PM)
How much are the `Suites' on the Martian `Space Station' ?
They always call me `Miss Titan' for short, but not for long: How much?
Titan has oceans of liquid Methane with boulders of frozen solid CO2.
It's conceivable there are small asteroid sized lumps of CO2 with methane.
A nuclear powered rocket could easily push such an object!
Guessed how yet? By Embedding itself in the Asteroid and heating it's CO2 in it's nuclear engines to produce hot thrust
They always call me `Miss Titan' for short, but not for long: How much?
Titan has oceans of liquid Methane with boulders of frozen solid CO2.
It's conceivable there are small asteroid sized lumps of CO2 with methane.
A nuclear powered rocket could easily push such an object!
Guessed how yet? By Embedding itself in the Asteroid and heating it's CO2 in it's nuclear engines to produce hot thrust
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+May 8 2012, 01:23 AM)
5.8.12 11 AM EST
Beautiful Clear Turquoise Skies:
Not a cloud anywhere obscuring my 7 Watt portable Solar Panel.
The Multi-tester showed 0.11 Amperes current with 19.81 Volts potential.
I measured the Autumn Suns Elevation (5.8.12 AM EST)
{90 – Tan^-1(57.75cm/30.48cm)} = 27 Degrees 49’ 26.75”
The 7 Watt Solar Panel produced `0.11 Amperes’ times `19.81 Volts’: 2.1791 Watts
By tilting the solar panel from 180 Degrees to tangent of {27 Degrees 49` 26.75”} roughly increased by 100%
However `2.1791 Watts (180Degrees) in Autumn is 10%’ of the power produced `High Noon’ on a `Clear Summers’ day
I measured it again at `High Noon' and had risen to 32 Degrees 20' 50.8" with my solar panel producing 0.14 Amperes with 19.33 Volts potential = 2.7062 Watts (180 Degrees untitled)
6.1.12. Southern hemisphere winter. Fair weather with blue skies and small amounts of very thin high altitude clouds passing near Sun.
The Midday Sun rose to an elevation of : 90 - {Tan^-1 (65/38)} 30Degrees 32minutes 35.68seconds
My 7 Watt Solar Panel (180 Degree’s Flat) had a reading of 0.12 Amperes and 19.69 Volts = 0.12 times 19.69 = 2.3628 Watts
Occasionally fluctuating down to 0.11Ampers and 19.31Volts from the high altitude clouds = 2.1241 Watts
When the Solar Panel was tilted optimally it gave a reading of 0.2Amperes and 19.75Volts at 12.35PM = 3.95Watts. Far cry from the (7 Watts promised on the Solar Panel Pack) on this very pleasant sunny southern winters day with a midday temperature of 80 Degrees Fahrenheit.
Beautiful Clear Turquoise Skies:
Not a cloud anywhere obscuring my 7 Watt portable Solar Panel.
The Multi-tester showed 0.11 Amperes current with 19.81 Volts potential.
I measured the Autumn Suns Elevation (5.8.12 AM EST)
{90 – Tan^-1(57.75cm/30.48cm)} = 27 Degrees 49’ 26.75”
The 7 Watt Solar Panel produced `0.11 Amperes’ times `19.81 Volts’: 2.1791 Watts
By tilting the solar panel from 180 Degrees to tangent of {27 Degrees 49` 26.75”} roughly increased by 100%
However `2.1791 Watts (180Degrees) in Autumn is 10%’ of the power produced `High Noon’ on a `Clear Summers’ day
I measured it again at `High Noon' and had risen to 32 Degrees 20' 50.8" with my solar panel producing 0.14 Amperes with 19.33 Volts potential = 2.7062 Watts (180 Degrees untitled)
6.1.12. Southern hemisphere winter. Fair weather with blue skies and small amounts of very thin high altitude clouds passing near Sun.
The Midday Sun rose to an elevation of : 90 - {Tan^-1 (65/38)} 30Degrees 32minutes 35.68seconds
My 7 Watt Solar Panel (180 Degree’s Flat) had a reading of 0.12 Amperes and 19.69 Volts = 0.12 times 19.69 = 2.3628 Watts
Occasionally fluctuating down to 0.11Ampers and 19.31Volts from the high altitude clouds = 2.1241 Watts
When the Solar Panel was tilted optimally it gave a reading of 0.2Amperes and 19.75Volts at 12.35PM = 3.95Watts. Far cry from the (7 Watts promised on the Solar Panel Pack) on this very pleasant sunny southern winters day with a midday temperature of 80 Degrees Fahrenheit.
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+Jun 1 2012, 02:55 AM)
6.1.12. Southern hemisphere winter. Fair weather with blue skies and small amounts of very thin high altitude clouds passing near Sun.
The Midday Sun rose to an elevation of : 90 - {Tan^-1 (65/38)} 30Degrees 32minutes 35.68seconds
My 7 Watt Solar Panel (180 Degree’s Flat) had a reading of 0.12 Amperes and 19.69 Volts = 0.12 times 19.69 = 2.3628 Watts
Occasionally fluctuating down to 0.11Amperes and 19.31Volts from the high altitude clouds = 2.1241 Watts
When the Solar Panel was tilted optimally it gave a reading of 0.2Amperes and 19.75Volts at 12.35PM = 3.95Watts. Far cry from the (7 Watts promised on the Solar Panel Pack) on this very pleasant sunny southern winters day with a midday temperature of 80 Degrees Fahrenheit.
Prehaps `Martian Solar' is something to far from our Sun. The methane around the solar system is useless as a fuel without oxygen (and we are not wasting ours) So until we grow Forrest's on Mars we are going to have to use nuclear! What do you think about such ? Mars:
Mars only needs a little bit of atmospheric pressure (from an small ice asteroid or CO2 asteroid) to hold in enough warmth from the suns rays to melt all the sub-terranian ice. We can impale an asteroid to push it into Mars with a nuclear rocket.
The Midday Sun rose to an elevation of : 90 - {Tan^-1 (65/38)} 30Degrees 32minutes 35.68seconds
My 7 Watt Solar Panel (180 Degree’s Flat) had a reading of 0.12 Amperes and 19.69 Volts = 0.12 times 19.69 = 2.3628 Watts
Occasionally fluctuating down to 0.11Amperes and 19.31Volts from the high altitude clouds = 2.1241 Watts
When the Solar Panel was tilted optimally it gave a reading of 0.2Amperes and 19.75Volts at 12.35PM = 3.95Watts. Far cry from the (7 Watts promised on the Solar Panel Pack) on this very pleasant sunny southern winters day with a midday temperature of 80 Degrees Fahrenheit.
Prehaps `Martian Solar' is something to far from our Sun. The methane around the solar system is useless as a fuel without oxygen (and we are not wasting ours) So until we grow Forrest's on Mars we are going to have to use nuclear! What do you think about such ? Mars:
Mars only needs a little bit of atmospheric pressure (from an small ice asteroid or CO2 asteroid) to hold in enough warmth from the suns rays to melt all the sub-terranian ice. We can impale an asteroid to push it into Mars with a nuclear rocket.
QUOTE (mooncamera's+Jun 2 2012, 11:43 AM)
Prehaps `Martian Solar' is something to far from our Sun. The methane around the solar system is useless as a fuel without oxygen (and we are not wasting ours) So until we grow Forrest's on Mars we are going to have to use nuclear! What do you think about such ? Mars:
Mars only needs a little bit of atmospheric pressure (from an small ice asteroid or CO2 asteroid) to hold in enough warmth from the suns rays to melt all the sub-terranian ice. We can impale an asteroid to push it into Mars with a nuclear rocket.
It’s useless thinking about the temperature of Mars when it doesn’t have any pressure. Without an atmospheric pressure the temperature in the sunshine would be vastly different to the temperature in the shade behind the spacecraft.
Landing a pumped up `Plastic Greenhouse’ on Mars makes more sense than landing an `Astronaut in a pumped up plastic space suit’.
Cheaper still, we could build a Vacuum Dome on Earth from partially silvered plastic to simulate the luminosity of our Sun on the Martian equatorial surface We could add fertilizer with Methane and take it’s theoretical temperature. Then we could pump it up, and play around with `various pressures of CO2’ and see if we could grow a cactus?
Mars only needs a little bit of atmospheric pressure (from an small ice asteroid or CO2 asteroid) to hold in enough warmth from the suns rays to melt all the sub-terranian ice. We can impale an asteroid to push it into Mars with a nuclear rocket.
It’s useless thinking about the temperature of Mars when it doesn’t have any pressure. Without an atmospheric pressure the temperature in the sunshine would be vastly different to the temperature in the shade behind the spacecraft.
Landing a pumped up `Plastic Greenhouse’ on Mars makes more sense than landing an `Astronaut in a pumped up plastic space suit’.
Cheaper still, we could build a Vacuum Dome on Earth from partially silvered plastic to simulate the luminosity of our Sun on the Martian equatorial surface We could add fertilizer with Methane and take it’s theoretical temperature. Then we could pump it up, and play around with `various pressures of CO2’ and see if we could grow a cactus?
QUOTE (MarsMissionary+Jun 2 2012, 10:45 PM)
It’s useless thinking about the temperature of Mars when it doesn’t have any pressure. Without an atmospheric pressure the temperature in the sunshine would be vastly different to the temperature in the shade behind the spacecraft.
Landing a pumped up `Plastic Greenhouse’ on Mars makes more sense than landing an `Astronaut in a pumped up plastic space suit’.
Cheaper still, we could build a Vacuum Dome on Earth from partially silvered plastic to simulate the luminosity of our Sun on the Martian equatorial surface We could add fertilizer with Methane and take it’s theoretical temperature. Then we could pump it up, and play around with `various pressures of CO2’ and see if we could grow a cactus?
Our Suns `luminosity on the Martian surface' would be something like playing with `ArmstrongGe’s Solar Panel’ indoors: `on Earth through a window’ and agriculture would be like: `growing plants and cacti indoors on Earth’ given Mars is provided with an extra CO2 atmosphere from an Asteroid on top of the 1% it presently has.
It suggests buildings on Mars would have to use much more power because there would be much less sunshine `defusing in through the windows’ from the atmosphere.
It would be cold in the buildings and they would have to be specially heated. The cosmic ray shielding could be as cold as ice.
A greenhouse on Mars is feasible together with a Salmon Tuna and Trout farm providing an appropriate synthetically heated ecological system is given with radiation shielding.
Landing a pumped up `Plastic Greenhouse’ on Mars makes more sense than landing an `Astronaut in a pumped up plastic space suit’.
Cheaper still, we could build a Vacuum Dome on Earth from partially silvered plastic to simulate the luminosity of our Sun on the Martian equatorial surface We could add fertilizer with Methane and take it’s theoretical temperature. Then we could pump it up, and play around with `various pressures of CO2’ and see if we could grow a cactus?
Our Suns `luminosity on the Martian surface' would be something like playing with `ArmstrongGe’s Solar Panel’ indoors: `on Earth through a window’ and agriculture would be like: `growing plants and cacti indoors on Earth’ given Mars is provided with an extra CO2 atmosphere from an Asteroid on top of the 1% it presently has.
It suggests buildings on Mars would have to use much more power because there would be much less sunshine `defusing in through the windows’ from the atmosphere.
It would be cold in the buildings and they would have to be specially heated. The cosmic ray shielding could be as cold as ice.
A greenhouse on Mars is feasible together with a Salmon Tuna and Trout farm providing an appropriate synthetically heated ecological system is given with radiation shielding.
QUOTE (mooncamera's+Jun 3 2012, 12:20 AM)
Our Suns `luminosity on the Martian surface' would be something like playing with `ArmstrongGe’s Solar Panel’ indoors: `on Earth through a window’ and agriculture would be like: `growing plants and cacti indoors on Earth’ given Mars is provided with an extra CO2 atmosphere from an Asteroid on top of the 1% it presently has.
It suggests buildings on Mars would have to use much more power because there would be much less sunshine `defusing in through the windows’ from the atmosphere.
It would be cold in the buildings and they would have to be specially heated. The cosmic ray shielding could be as cold as ice.
A greenhouse on Mars is feasible together with a Salmon Tuna and Trout farm providing an appropriate synthetically heated ecological system is given with radiation shielding.
If Mars is given an atmosphere of `CO2 with fizzy H20 Mist’ from Asteroids dumped on the planet with `nuclear worker rockets’ we have a problem: `Acid Rain' (like lemonade) together with H2O turning into H2O2(peroxide bleach) in ultraviolet oxidizing the weed like cactus asspecially if they absorb methane into their systems. (Be like pouring deisel on a weed in the sunshine)
The `whole planet without an magnetosphere' could begin to behave like a large `Ion generator'.
However this could be an electrical blessing: because by: `short circuiting the ever-growing Martian Ionosphere' by `Earthing it with the Martian surface through a power station' could be to potential difference to power the planet producing large amounts of power.
It suggests buildings on Mars would have to use much more power because there would be much less sunshine `defusing in through the windows’ from the atmosphere.
It would be cold in the buildings and they would have to be specially heated. The cosmic ray shielding could be as cold as ice.
A greenhouse on Mars is feasible together with a Salmon Tuna and Trout farm providing an appropriate synthetically heated ecological system is given with radiation shielding.
If Mars is given an atmosphere of `CO2 with fizzy H20 Mist’ from Asteroids dumped on the planet with `nuclear worker rockets’ we have a problem: `Acid Rain' (like lemonade) together with H2O turning into H2O2(peroxide bleach) in ultraviolet oxidizing the weed like cactus asspecially if they absorb methane into their systems. (Be like pouring deisel on a weed in the sunshine)
The `whole planet without an magnetosphere' could begin to behave like a large `Ion generator'.
However this could be an electrical blessing: because by: `short circuiting the ever-growing Martian Ionosphere' by `Earthing it with the Martian surface through a power station' could be to potential difference to power the planet producing large amounts of power.
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+Jun 3 2012, 12:54 AM)
If Mars is given an atmosphere of `CO2 with fizzy H20 Mist’ from Asteroids dumped on the planet with `nuclear worker rockets’ we have a problem: `Acid Rain' (like lemonade) together with H2O turning into H2O2(peroxide bleach) in ultraviolet oxidizing the weed like cactus asspecially if they absorb methane into their systems. (Be like pouring deisel on a weed in the sunshine)
The `whole planet without an magnetosphere' could begin to behave like a large `Ion generator'.
However this could be an electrical blessing: because by: `short circuiting the ever-growing Martian Ionosphere' by `Earthing it with the Martian surface through a power station' could be to potential difference to power the planet producing large amounts of power.
But how does H2O become H2O2 in ultraviolet light?
Whatever, we could have the natural solution:
Assume H20 = H202 + H2 in ultraviolet light?
Then the solution would be to dump as much methane as available from `Methane Asteroids' together with an `eight times larger amount of water from`Ice Asteroids'.
Walla:` C4H4 + 8H2O2 = 4CO2 + 8H20 + 8H2'
An atmosphere of CO2 with oceans of water
The `whole planet without an magnetosphere' could begin to behave like a large `Ion generator'.
However this could be an electrical blessing: because by: `short circuiting the ever-growing Martian Ionosphere' by `Earthing it with the Martian surface through a power station' could be to potential difference to power the planet producing large amounts of power.
But how does H2O become H2O2 in ultraviolet light?
Whatever, we could have the natural solution:
Assume H20 = H202 + H2 in ultraviolet light?
Then the solution would be to dump as much methane as available from `Methane Asteroids' together with an `eight times larger amount of water from`Ice Asteroids'.
Walla:` C4H4 + 8H2O2 = 4CO2 + 8H20 + 8H2'
An atmosphere of CO2 with oceans of water
QUOTE (Highteller+Jun 3 2012, 01:42 AM)
But how does H2O become H2O2 in ultraviolet light?
Whatever, we could have the natural solution:
Assume H20 = H202 + H2 in ultraviolet light?
Then the solution would be to dump as much methane as available from `Methane Asteroids' together with an `eight times larger amount of water from`Ice Asteroids'.
Walla:` C4H4 + 8H2O2 = 4CO2 + 8H20 + 8H2'
An atmosphere of CO2 with oceans of water
Oceans with an atmosphere could plunge the `Martian Planet' into an `Ice Age' with low presure cyclones and hurricanes spinning around it's equator.
Whatever, we could have the natural solution:
Assume H20 = H202 + H2 in ultraviolet light?
Then the solution would be to dump as much methane as available from `Methane Asteroids' together with an `eight times larger amount of water from`Ice Asteroids'.
Walla:` C4H4 + 8H2O2 = 4CO2 + 8H20 + 8H2'
An atmosphere of CO2 with oceans of water
Oceans with an atmosphere could plunge the `Martian Planet' into an `Ice Age' with low presure cyclones and hurricanes spinning around it's equator.
QUOTE (mooncamera's+Jun 3 2012, 02:10 AM)
Oceans with an atmosphere could plunge the `Martian Planet' into an `Ice Age' with low pressure cyclones and hurricanes spinning around it's equator.
Wouldn't there be some `temperate climate regions near the equator' where `natural mountain ranges' could shield trees from cyclones?
Wouldn't the trees grow extremely large and strong because of the low gravity and lack of sunlight? The planet could be covered with `almost ground level clouds' then the tree's would be shooting straight up above the mist to obtain sunshine like in a rainforrest? (The clouds wouldn't be high altitude because of the low air pressure, 5-6 hundred feet, the tree could grow much higher in low gravity)
Initially there wouldn't be any insects but with so much CO2 wouldn't there be a tremendous potential for the trees to produce say a 31% oxygen content amongst the CO2 allowing endo-skeletal organisms such as insects, crustaceans to grow ten times as large as on earth in the low Martian gravity?
It could be so cloudy that most of the planet stays just above freezing?
Wouldn't there be some `temperate climate regions near the equator' where `natural mountain ranges' could shield trees from cyclones?
Wouldn't the trees grow extremely large and strong because of the low gravity and lack of sunlight? The planet could be covered with `almost ground level clouds' then the tree's would be shooting straight up above the mist to obtain sunshine like in a rainforrest? (The clouds wouldn't be high altitude because of the low air pressure, 5-6 hundred feet, the tree could grow much higher in low gravity)
Initially there wouldn't be any insects but with so much CO2 wouldn't there be a tremendous potential for the trees to produce say a 31% oxygen content amongst the CO2 allowing endo-skeletal organisms such as insects, crustaceans to grow ten times as large as on earth in the low Martian gravity?
It could be so cloudy that most of the planet stays just above freezing?
QUOTE (Twaterpretty+Jun 3 2012, 03:12 AM)
Wouldn't there be some `temperate climate regions near the equator' where `natural mountain ranges' could shield trees from cyclones?
Wouldn't the trees grow extremely large and strong because of the low gravity and lack of sunlight? The planet could be covered with `almost ground level clouds' then the tree's would be shooting straight up above the mist to obtain sunshine like in a rainforrest? (The clouds wouldn't be high altitude because of the low air pressure, 5-6 hundred feet, the tree could grow much higher in low gravity)
Initially there wouldn't be any insects but with so much CO2 wouldn't there be a tremendous potential for the trees to produce say a 31% oxygen content amongst the CO2 allowing endo-skeletal organisms such as insects, crustaceans to grow ten times as large as on earth in the low Martian gravity?
It could be so cloudy that most of the planet stays just above freezing?
Do we have plant’s on Earth prepared do grow in a `mix of methane and carbon dioxide’ with fertilizer?
Built the `Partially Silvered Plastic Greenhouse on Earth’ fill it up with some soil, fertilizer, mostly methane and some CO2 and some water.
Play around with the pressures and see what seeds, grains, plants, would begin to grow producing oxygen as a by-product.
Perhaps we could genetically modify some plants to tolerate the C4H4?
Spark the chamber as natural lightning would to neutralise the excess H2 and methane into `more water as natural rain’ with `more CO2 from the Methane’
Wouldn't the trees grow extremely large and strong because of the low gravity and lack of sunlight? The planet could be covered with `almost ground level clouds' then the tree's would be shooting straight up above the mist to obtain sunshine like in a rainforrest? (The clouds wouldn't be high altitude because of the low air pressure, 5-6 hundred feet, the tree could grow much higher in low gravity)
Initially there wouldn't be any insects but with so much CO2 wouldn't there be a tremendous potential for the trees to produce say a 31% oxygen content amongst the CO2 allowing endo-skeletal organisms such as insects, crustaceans to grow ten times as large as on earth in the low Martian gravity?
It could be so cloudy that most of the planet stays just above freezing?
Do we have plant’s on Earth prepared do grow in a `mix of methane and carbon dioxide’ with fertilizer?
Built the `Partially Silvered Plastic Greenhouse on Earth’ fill it up with some soil, fertilizer, mostly methane and some CO2 and some water.
Play around with the pressures and see what seeds, grains, plants, would begin to grow producing oxygen as a by-product.
Perhaps we could genetically modify some plants to tolerate the C4H4?
Spark the chamber as natural lightning would to neutralise the excess H2 and methane into `more water as natural rain’ with `more CO2 from the Methane’
This is a rough guess, but it might be worth while building into the center of the `Partially Silvered Greenhouse Dome' : a `meter wide by two meter tall' open `gas laser tube' filed with the same mixtures of the CO2, C4H4, and water vapor. By passing a current through the tube.
It could behave like a CO2 laser to some extent whilst rapidly converting the methane and water into a clean mix of H2 + CO2 + water draining from the sides with the vertically emitting light working like a fluorescent bulb to grow plants faster?
It could behave like a CO2 laser to some extent whilst rapidly converting the methane and water into a clean mix of H2 + CO2 + water draining from the sides with the vertically emitting light working like a fluorescent bulb to grow plants faster?
QUOTE (unionyank+May 30 2012, 02:01 PM)
Titan has oceans of liquid Methane with boulders of frozen solid CO2.
It's conceivable there are small asteroid sized lumps of CO2 with methane.
A nuclear powered rocket could easily push such an object!
Guessed how yet? By Embedding itself in the Asteroid and heating it's CO2 in it's nuclear engines to produce hot thrust
We can’t just push an Asteroid around amongst ourselves any old way. Because it’s not going to stay where we push it to.
Asteroids are in an high energy angular momentum orbit around our Sun between Jupiter and Mars.
Aswell as having an high energy angular momentum around the Sun, it could be `slowly tumbling in numerous vectors’, revolving like the Earth.
By `Removing Asteroid Momentum’ in the proper vectors `It will go down to a lower angular momentum orbit’ around the Sun.
But It could begin to behave like a comet falling towards the Sun in a dangerous elliptic orbit like Haley’s comet.
With a swivel stick rocket we can adjust the trusts wit properly calculated directions until we land that Asteroid on Mars before it starts to go off and begins to melt.
It's conceivable there are small asteroid sized lumps of CO2 with methane.
A nuclear powered rocket could easily push such an object!
Guessed how yet? By Embedding itself in the Asteroid and heating it's CO2 in it's nuclear engines to produce hot thrust
We can’t just push an Asteroid around amongst ourselves any old way. Because it’s not going to stay where we push it to.
Asteroids are in an high energy angular momentum orbit around our Sun between Jupiter and Mars.
Aswell as having an high energy angular momentum around the Sun, it could be `slowly tumbling in numerous vectors’, revolving like the Earth.
By `Removing Asteroid Momentum’ in the proper vectors `It will go down to a lower angular momentum orbit’ around the Sun.
But It could begin to behave like a comet falling towards the Sun in a dangerous elliptic orbit like Haley’s comet.
With a swivel stick rocket we can adjust the trusts wit properly calculated directions until we land that Asteroid on Mars before it starts to go off and begins to melt.
QUOTE (Twatartwee+Jun 3 2012, 09:09 AM)
Do we have plant’s on Earth prepared do grow in a `mix of methane and carbon dioxide’ with fertilizer?
Built the `Partially Silvered Plastic Greenhouse on Earth’ fill it up with some soil, fertilizer, mostly methane and some CO2 and some water.
Play around with the pressures and see what seeds, grains, plants, would begin to grow producing oxygen as a by-product.
Perhaps we could genetically modify some plants to tolerate the C4H4?
Spark the chamber as natural lightning would to neutralise the excess H2 and methane into `more water as natural rain’ with `more CO2 from the Methane’
Your all probably familiar with you’re your Peroxide based Silver Catalyst Rocket-man Jet Packs.
Yes when you put on the front and one on the rear of vehicle you have a vertical take of vehicle of whatever. You could have a flying Nascar but you wouldn’t get very far.
However on Mars with the gravity only 1/3 of Earths: cars/Robotic Martian Rovers could fly to the peak of a mountain to place a satellite communications radio antenna together with GPS and a High Power zoom telescope to take pictures from the tops of Martian Mountains.
Built the `Partially Silvered Plastic Greenhouse on Earth’ fill it up with some soil, fertilizer, mostly methane and some CO2 and some water.
Play around with the pressures and see what seeds, grains, plants, would begin to grow producing oxygen as a by-product.
Perhaps we could genetically modify some plants to tolerate the C4H4?
Spark the chamber as natural lightning would to neutralise the excess H2 and methane into `more water as natural rain’ with `more CO2 from the Methane’
Your all probably familiar with you’re your Peroxide based Silver Catalyst Rocket-man Jet Packs.
Yes when you put on the front and one on the rear of vehicle you have a vertical take of vehicle of whatever. You could have a flying Nascar but you wouldn’t get very far.
However on Mars with the gravity only 1/3 of Earths: cars/Robotic Martian Rovers could fly to the peak of a mountain to place a satellite communications radio antenna together with GPS and a High Power zoom telescope to take pictures from the tops of Martian Mountains.
QUOTE (Twatherrings+Jun 13 2012, 11:29 AM)
Your all probably familiar with you’re your Peroxide based Silver Catalyst Rocket-man Jet Packs.
Yes when you put one on the front, and one on the rear of vehicle; you have a vertical take of vehicle of whatever. You could have a flying Nascar! but you wouldn’t get very far.
However on Mars: with the `gravity only 1/3 of Earths gravity': `Cars and Robotic Martian Rovers' could fly to the `peaks of a mountain' to place a `Satellite Communications Radio Antenna' together with an `GPS and a High Power Zoom Telescope' to take pictures from the tops of Martian Mountains.
Yes amplifying Satellite Radio antennas on the Peaks of Martian mountains would be a good idea together with high resolutions cameras to zoom into the canyons.
I suppose `Twater’ would be like `Twiter with video pictures’ and a `Twatar-twee’ would be like a tweet with video pictures.
Functional telecommunications between Astronauts on Mars amongst each other as-well as Earth.
PS: When I shake my `Samsung Galaxy’ it sounds like a` bottle filled with Gal-liquid water’
Yes when you put one on the front, and one on the rear of vehicle; you have a vertical take of vehicle of whatever. You could have a flying Nascar! but you wouldn’t get very far.
However on Mars: with the `gravity only 1/3 of Earths gravity': `Cars and Robotic Martian Rovers' could fly to the `peaks of a mountain' to place a `Satellite Communications Radio Antenna' together with an `GPS and a High Power Zoom Telescope' to take pictures from the tops of Martian Mountains.
Yes amplifying Satellite Radio antennas on the Peaks of Martian mountains would be a good idea together with high resolutions cameras to zoom into the canyons.
I suppose `Twater’ would be like `Twiter with video pictures’ and a `Twatar-twee’ would be like a tweet with video pictures.
Functional telecommunications between Astronauts on Mars amongst each other as-well as Earth.
PS: When I shake my `Samsung Galaxy’ it sounds like a` bottle filled with Gal-liquid water’
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+Jun 1 2012, 02:55 AM)
6.1.12. Southern hemisphere winter. Fair weather with blue skies and small amounts of very thin high altitude clouds passing near Sun.
The Midday Sun rose to an elevation of : 90 - {Tan^-1 (65/38)} 30Degrees 32minutes 35.68seconds
My 7 Watt Solar Panel (180 Degree’s Flat) had a reading of 0.12 Amperes and 19.69 Volts = 0.12 times 19.69 = 2.3628 Watts
Occasionally fluctuating down to 0.11Ampers and 19.31Volts from the high altitude clouds = 2.1241 Watts
When the Solar Panel was tilted optimally it gave a reading of 0.2Amperes and 19.75Volts at 12.35PM = 3.95Watts. Far cry from the (7 Watts promised on the Solar Panel Pack) on this very pleasant sunny southern winters day with a midday temperature of 80 Degrees Fahrenheit.
Tomorrow is the `Winter Solstice' and hopefully the weather shall cooperate.
However today on the Eve of the Solstice there were no clouds obstructing the Sun allowing me to make precise measurements of the length of the shadow cast by the Sun from my stick/brick to calculate the Midday Elevation.
As-well as precise power readings from my `7 Watt Solar Panel’
19.6.2012 12:00 Midday
The Sun 12.00am EST rose to an elevation of {90 - Tan^-1(62/38)} = 31 Degrees 30 Minutes 15.36 Seconds.
The `7 Watt Solar Panel’ showed readings of 0.14 Amperes with 19.93 Volts producing (0.14 Amperes By 19.91 Volts) = 2.7902Watts (180 Degrees flat untitled).
And (0.24 Amperes By 20.38 Volts) = 4.8912 Watts when tilted and aligned optimally.
I’m considering how to design a homemade device to track the sun. The best design coming to mind are `twin cylinders resembling the throat of a carburettor’ with `photo transistors’ in them.
The angles of the flaps in the cylinders casting the least shadow would give the most power to the phototransistors allowing the device to home in properly and directly into the direction if the Sun both Horizontally and Vertically.
The Midday Sun rose to an elevation of : 90 - {Tan^-1 (65/38)} 30Degrees 32minutes 35.68seconds
My 7 Watt Solar Panel (180 Degree’s Flat) had a reading of 0.12 Amperes and 19.69 Volts = 0.12 times 19.69 = 2.3628 Watts
Occasionally fluctuating down to 0.11Ampers and 19.31Volts from the high altitude clouds = 2.1241 Watts
When the Solar Panel was tilted optimally it gave a reading of 0.2Amperes and 19.75Volts at 12.35PM = 3.95Watts. Far cry from the (7 Watts promised on the Solar Panel Pack) on this very pleasant sunny southern winters day with a midday temperature of 80 Degrees Fahrenheit.
Tomorrow is the `Winter Solstice' and hopefully the weather shall cooperate.
However today on the Eve of the Solstice there were no clouds obstructing the Sun allowing me to make precise measurements of the length of the shadow cast by the Sun from my stick/brick to calculate the Midday Elevation.
As-well as precise power readings from my `7 Watt Solar Panel’
19.6.2012 12:00 Midday
The Sun 12.00am EST rose to an elevation of {90 - Tan^-1(62/38)} = 31 Degrees 30 Minutes 15.36 Seconds.
The `7 Watt Solar Panel’ showed readings of 0.14 Amperes with 19.93 Volts producing (0.14 Amperes By 19.91 Volts) = 2.7902Watts (180 Degrees flat untitled).
And (0.24 Amperes By 20.38 Volts) = 4.8912 Watts when tilted and aligned optimally.
I’m considering how to design a homemade device to track the sun. The best design coming to mind are `twin cylinders resembling the throat of a carburettor’ with `photo transistors’ in them.
The angles of the flaps in the cylinders casting the least shadow would give the most power to the phototransistors allowing the device to home in properly and directly into the direction if the Sun both Horizontally and Vertically.
QUOTE (ArmstrongGe's+Jun 19 2012, 03:30 AM)
Tomorrow is the `Winter Solstice' and hopefully the weather shall cooperate.
However today on the Eve of the Solstice there were no clouds obstructing the Sun allowing me to make precise measurements of the length of the shadow cast by the Sun from my stick/brick to calculate the Midday Elevation.
As-well as precise power readings from my `7 Watt Solar Panel’
19.6.2012 12:00 Midday
The Sun 12.00am EST rose to an elevation of {90 - Tan^-1(62/38)} = 31 Degrees 30 Minutes 15.36 Seconds.
The `7 Watt Solar Panel’ showed readings of 0.14 Amperes with 19.93 Volts producing (0.14 Amperes By 19.91 Volts) = 2.7902Watts (180 Degrees flat untitled).
And (0.24 Amperes By 20.38 Volts) = 4.8912 Watts when tilted and aligned optimally.
I’m considering how to design a homemade device to track the sun. The best design coming to mind are `twin cylinders resembling the throat of a carburettor’ with `photo transistors’ in them.
The angles of the flaps in the cylinders casting the least shadow would give the most power to the phototransistors allowing the device to home in properly and directly into the direction if the Sun both Horizontally and Vertically.
Watt's observable from your experiments is the clouds seem to be having more effect in your region than the difference in elevations between the `Equinox and the Winter Solstice'
However another point: The Earth has an elliptic orbit around the Sun and on a given day in the year `Whatever it's called' the Sun is 2 million miles brighter than 6 months earlier. 2 million miles closer could have an effect, but when? It wouldn't coincide with everyone’s Sumer and winter which are simultaneous in both hemispheres. What's it called? I'll look it up on the internet.
However today on the Eve of the Solstice there were no clouds obstructing the Sun allowing me to make precise measurements of the length of the shadow cast by the Sun from my stick/brick to calculate the Midday Elevation.
As-well as precise power readings from my `7 Watt Solar Panel’
19.6.2012 12:00 Midday
The Sun 12.00am EST rose to an elevation of {90 - Tan^-1(62/38)} = 31 Degrees 30 Minutes 15.36 Seconds.
The `7 Watt Solar Panel’ showed readings of 0.14 Amperes with 19.93 Volts producing (0.14 Amperes By 19.91 Volts) = 2.7902Watts (180 Degrees flat untitled).
And (0.24 Amperes By 20.38 Volts) = 4.8912 Watts when tilted and aligned optimally.
I’m considering how to design a homemade device to track the sun. The best design coming to mind are `twin cylinders resembling the throat of a carburettor’ with `photo transistors’ in them.
The angles of the flaps in the cylinders casting the least shadow would give the most power to the phototransistors allowing the device to home in properly and directly into the direction if the Sun both Horizontally and Vertically.
Watt's observable from your experiments is the clouds seem to be having more effect in your region than the difference in elevations between the `Equinox and the Winter Solstice'
However another point: The Earth has an elliptic orbit around the Sun and on a given day in the year `Whatever it's called' the Sun is 2 million miles brighter than 6 months earlier. 2 million miles closer could have an effect, but when? It wouldn't coincide with everyone’s Sumer and winter which are simultaneous in both hemispheres. What's it called? I'll look it up on the internet.
QUOTE (mooncamera's+May 8 2012, 03:53 AM)
I think the convex reflectors are good illumination as-well as a means of providing good telemetry remote and computer control. However the convex reflectors could be designed to transmit large Power Station levels of electricity as microwaves beamed to receiver platform stations all around Mars.
My space crafts Nuclear Engines would be used to generate electricity when it's in an agreable orbit with Mars. The power received as microwaves would be converted into electricity to produce a power grid and electify the `Micro Factories'
If we are going to be using `Hot CAC’ tethers speeding down from the Space Station, then using `Micro Factories ‘to produce Compressed CO2 cylinders to power machinery all around Mars, then their have to be railways built of some sort to bring the geological mineral specimens to the equator to be winched up the tether with `Hot CAC assist thrusters’ into the Space Station and Cargo Ship.
Minerals quarried from Mars would always be more valuable than from overseas because they’re from another world.
Same as `Mississippi Mud’ is more valuable than `Regular Mud’
When waters start to flow again on Mars, from `Greenhouse Hydrocarbon Warming’
How much would people be prepared to pay for a `Martian Mud Pie?
By the way, what flavor cement do you prefer in your Mars Experiments? Because most of the time Mars is frozen over?
Look, Mars doesn't deserve an ounce of `asteroids water' until it has an atmospheric presure or `1000+ heacto pascals' built up from `CO2 Asteroids!'. Otherwise: You'll get `cyclones!' all over the planet from the `low pressure' systems.
My space crafts Nuclear Engines would be used to generate electricity when it's in an agreable orbit with Mars. The power received as microwaves would be converted into electricity to produce a power grid and electify the `Micro Factories'
If we are going to be using `Hot CAC’ tethers speeding down from the Space Station, then using `Micro Factories ‘to produce Compressed CO2 cylinders to power machinery all around Mars, then their have to be railways built of some sort to bring the geological mineral specimens to the equator to be winched up the tether with `Hot CAC assist thrusters’ into the Space Station and Cargo Ship.
Minerals quarried from Mars would always be more valuable than from overseas because they’re from another world.
Same as `Mississippi Mud’ is more valuable than `Regular Mud’
When waters start to flow again on Mars, from `Greenhouse Hydrocarbon Warming’
How much would people be prepared to pay for a `Martian Mud Pie?
By the way, what flavor cement do you prefer in your Mars Experiments? Because most of the time Mars is frozen over?
Look, Mars doesn't deserve an ounce of `asteroids water' until it has an atmospheric presure or `1000+ heacto pascals' built up from `CO2 Asteroids!'. Otherwise: You'll get `cyclones!' all over the planet from the `low pressure' systems.
I think Mars should be kept moist like a dogs nose when there are incoming CO2 asteroids. The large CO2 asteroids are immovable mass like the Martian surface they impact into. The kinetic energy shall instantly translate into thermal energy:`HEAT' . When hot winds star blowing around the Martian planet they could suffocate every hydroponic vegetable farm growing there.
It's doggy bath-time! I have to go have a bath and the helmet stops the shampoo from getting in my eyes! bye
It's doggy bath-time! I have to go have a bath and the helmet stops the shampoo from getting in my eyes! bye
QUOTE (DoggyHelmet+Jun 27 2012, 11:20 AM)
I think Mars should be kept moist like a dogs nose when there are incoming CO2 asteroids. The large CO2 asteroids are immovable mass like the Martian surface they impact into. The kinetic energy shall instantly translate into thermal energy:`HEAT' . When hot winds star blowing around the Martian planet they could suffocate every hydroponic vegetable farm growing there.
It's doggy bath-time! I have to go have a bath and the helmet stops the shampoo from getting in my eyes! bye
Suppose our spacecraft accommodates seven people.
It has a power vacuum compressor to quickly suck up Mars CO2 Atm and convert chemically into large amounts of Oxygen and Sugars wiff Protein (like the laboratory equivalent of an edible plant).
And has a speed meat `cloning & growing' to produce fillets of edible cloned meat from home like Pork, Lamb, Duck, Goat, fish, Beef, Chicken, Alligator, Kangaroo, not to mention all the Deserts like coconut, papaya, plum, kiwifruit, cherries, watermelon, citrus fruits.
Then suppose we swipe one of our GPS satellites in Mars Entry and we land miles of course somewhere on Mars with a telecommunications problem with Earth? What if?
It's doggy bath-time! I have to go have a bath and the helmet stops the shampoo from getting in my eyes! bye
Suppose our spacecraft accommodates seven people.
It has a power vacuum compressor to quickly suck up Mars CO2 Atm and convert chemically into large amounts of Oxygen and Sugars wiff Protein (like the laboratory equivalent of an edible plant).
And has a speed meat `cloning & growing' to produce fillets of edible cloned meat from home like Pork, Lamb, Duck, Goat, fish, Beef, Chicken, Alligator, Kangaroo, not to mention all the Deserts like coconut, papaya, plum, kiwifruit, cherries, watermelon, citrus fruits.
Then suppose we swipe one of our GPS satellites in Mars Entry and we land miles of course somewhere on Mars with a telecommunications problem with Earth? What if?
QUOTE (Kilicgun...t Strandy+Jul 2 2012, 11:33 AM)
Suppose our spacecraft accommodates seven people.
It has a power vacuum compressor to quickly suck up Mars CO2 Atm and convert chemically into large amounts of Oxygen and Sugars wiff Protein (like the laboratory equivalent of an edible plant).
And has a speed meat `cloning & growing' to produce fillets of edible cloned meat from home like Pork, Lamb, Duck, Goat, fish, Beef, Chicken, Alligator, Kangaroo, not to mention all the Deserts like coconut, papaya, plum, kiwifruit, cherries, watermelon, citrus fruits.
Then suppose we swipe one of our GPS satellites in Mars Entry and we land miles of course somewhere on Mars with a telecommunications problem with Earth? What if?
What do you want from `My Mars’? (1)`Do you want to mine it’? or (2)`Do you want to live in it’?
(1) If you’re a gold digger remember Mars is half the size of Earth but only 1/3 of the mass. That’s why it’s 142 mile from the Sun; It’s consists of less heavy metals like gold in the magma. It probably froze solid because there were not enough heavy radioactive metals in the core to produce nuclear smouldering heat. If you want to be a gold digger then you’ll probably have more fun using `Your Venus’.
(2) If you want to live in it then remember your going to be living in a space suit outdoors.
Terra forming the planet would cost: (x)Trillions. The best possible prospectable `climate conditions possible on Mars’ would be: An `equatorial region around the planet’ with `climatic conditions resembling’ the `Twin Bering Heads’ of `(Alaska) and (Bering Siberia & Kamchatka peninsula’s)’ on Earth
So if you want to have fun then put on a `Space Suit’ and head North to Alaska with a metal detector.
Mars is as dry as the Sahara and as cold as Siberia.
If you flood the planet with Asteroid water then My Robotic Miners will get water in their Wellies when they try to prospect and their nuts could rust!
Underwater mining is an expensive exercise especially if the most likely minerals around would be cheap thing’s like Aluminium, Calcium and Magnesium.
NASA should practice landing in the African Sahara and drilling for oil, they have as much chance of finding oil on Mars!
Yes, `My Mars is well lubed with oil like the Sahaha, You didn’t know about it because there has been a cover up `Under them there Sands’ But if you `Grease my palm’ I’ll show it to you.
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It has a power vacuum compressor to quickly suck up Mars CO2 Atm and convert chemically into large amounts of Oxygen and Sugars wiff Protein (like the laboratory equivalent of an edible plant).
And has a speed meat `cloning & growing' to produce fillets of edible cloned meat from home like Pork, Lamb, Duck, Goat, fish, Beef, Chicken, Alligator, Kangaroo, not to mention all the Deserts like coconut, papaya, plum, kiwifruit, cherries, watermelon, citrus fruits.
Then suppose we swipe one of our GPS satellites in Mars Entry and we land miles of course somewhere on Mars with a telecommunications problem with Earth? What if?
What do you want from `My Mars’? (1)`Do you want to mine it’? or (2)`Do you want to live in it’?
(1) If you’re a gold digger remember Mars is half the size of Earth but only 1/3 of the mass. That’s why it’s 142 mile from the Sun; It’s consists of less heavy metals like gold in the magma. It probably froze solid because there were not enough heavy radioactive metals in the core to produce nuclear smouldering heat. If you want to be a gold digger then you’ll probably have more fun using `Your Venus’.
(2) If you want to live in it then remember your going to be living in a space suit outdoors.
Terra forming the planet would cost: (x)Trillions. The best possible prospectable `climate conditions possible on Mars’ would be: An `equatorial region around the planet’ with `climatic conditions resembling’ the `Twin Bering Heads’ of `(Alaska) and (Bering Siberia & Kamchatka peninsula’s)’ on Earth
So if you want to have fun then put on a `Space Suit’ and head North to Alaska with a metal detector.
Mars is as dry as the Sahara and as cold as Siberia.
If you flood the planet with Asteroid water then My Robotic Miners will get water in their Wellies when they try to prospect and their nuts could rust!
Underwater mining is an expensive exercise especially if the most likely minerals around would be cheap thing’s like Aluminium, Calcium and Magnesium.
NASA should practice landing in the African Sahara and drilling for oil, they have as much chance of finding oil on Mars!
Yes, `My Mars is well lubed with oil like the Sahaha, You didn’t know about it because there has been a cover up `Under them there Sands’ But if you `Grease my palm’ I’ll show it to you.
CUM`BOOT`HERE:was manufactured by cumshovedegosistimes.economix
QUOTE (CumBootHere+Jul 7 2012, 10:16 AM)
What do you want from `My Mars’? (1)`Do you want to mine it’? or (2)`Do you want to live in it’?
(1) If you’re a gold digger remember Mars is half the size of Earth but only 1/3 of the mass. That’s why it’s 142 mile from the Sun; It’s consists of less heavy metals like gold in the magma. It probably froze solid because there were not enough heavy radioactive metals in the core to produce nuclear smouldering heat. If you want to be a gold digger then you’ll probably have more fun using `Your Venus’.
(2) If you want to live in it then remember your going to be living in a space suit outdoors.
Terra forming the planet would cost: (x)Trillions. The best possible prospectable `climate conditions possible on Mars’ would be: An `equatorial region around the planet’ with `climatic conditions resembling’ the `Twin Bering Heads’ of `(Alaska) and (Bering Siberia & Kamchatka peninsula’s)’ on Earth
So if you want to have fun then put on a `Space Suit’ and head North to Alaska with a metal detector.
Mars is as dry as the Sahara and as cold as Siberia.
If you flood the planet with Asteroid water then My Robotic Miners will get water in their Wellies when they try to prospect and their nuts could rust!
Underwater mining is an expensive exercise especially if the most likely minerals around would be cheap thing’s like Aluminium, Calcium and Magnesium.
NASA should practice landing in the African Sahara and drilling for oil, they have as much chance of finding oil on Mars!
Yes, `My Mars is well lubed with oil like the Sahaha, You didn’t know about it because there has been a cover up `Under them there Sands’ But if you `Grease my palm’ I’ll show it to you.
CUM`BOOT`HERE:was manufactured by cumshovedegosistimes.economix
Yes Mars is 50 million miles farther from the Sun. Meaning it is `composed of chiefly of lighter elements' than the Earth and `much lighter elements than Venus'.
Venus would be a goldmine for `heavy precious metals' but it would cost `billions to extract a ton' of minerals.
Hard to imagine but perhaps a `nuclear powered spacecraft with Space Shuttle tiles' could fly around in the Venus atmosphere.
Then again the atmosphere is sulphuric acid with sulphur trioxide `meaning an oxygen balloon would be like a hydrogen balloon' if it didn’t melt taking picture indefinately of the surface without propulsion.
Mars has plenty of `cheep light metals like Aluminium, calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium,' But I want the planets Beryllium/Titanium/Lithium from the surface geology.
Then I want to go down to the core! Umm `Planetary Cores' are cores, (it could be as dense as Mercury?). Just like the `Solar System the near to the centre has heavier elements so too the cores have precious metals. Venus has heavier metals and gases than Earth, thats why it's closer to the Sun (Venus has Sulphur trioxide because the gas is much heavier than Earth's Oxygen Nitrogen mix)
The Martian core could have plenty of Iron, copper, Manganese, Nickel, Titanium, simply from the centrifugal forces creating the solar system billions of years ago from a nebula shock-waved by a Super-Nova explosion into congealing into glowing chemically reactive proto planets.
Mars is frozen solid, there are no tectonic plates, no magma, we can use a worm drill such as used to build train tunnels and tunnel and mine the metal rich core with robots. We can build tunnels through the planet in 13 degree angles to come out on the other side of the planet utilising the Martian gravity like an underground swing travelling at the speed of Mars gravity (38% of Earth)
(1) If you’re a gold digger remember Mars is half the size of Earth but only 1/3 of the mass. That’s why it’s 142 mile from the Sun; It’s consists of less heavy metals like gold in the magma. It probably froze solid because there were not enough heavy radioactive metals in the core to produce nuclear smouldering heat. If you want to be a gold digger then you’ll probably have more fun using `Your Venus’.
(2) If you want to live in it then remember your going to be living in a space suit outdoors.
Terra forming the planet would cost: (x)Trillions. The best possible prospectable `climate conditions possible on Mars’ would be: An `equatorial region around the planet’ with `climatic conditions resembling’ the `Twin Bering Heads’ of `(Alaska) and (Bering Siberia & Kamchatka peninsula’s)’ on Earth
So if you want to have fun then put on a `Space Suit’ and head North to Alaska with a metal detector.
Mars is as dry as the Sahara and as cold as Siberia.
If you flood the planet with Asteroid water then My Robotic Miners will get water in their Wellies when they try to prospect and their nuts could rust!
Underwater mining is an expensive exercise especially if the most likely minerals around would be cheap thing’s like Aluminium, Calcium and Magnesium.
NASA should practice landing in the African Sahara and drilling for oil, they have as much chance of finding oil on Mars!
Yes, `My Mars is well lubed with oil like the Sahaha, You didn’t know about it because there has been a cover up `Under them there Sands’ But if you `Grease my palm’ I’ll show it to you.
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Yes Mars is 50 million miles farther from the Sun. Meaning it is `composed of chiefly of lighter elements' than the Earth and `much lighter elements than Venus'.
Venus would be a goldmine for `heavy precious metals' but it would cost `billions to extract a ton' of minerals.
Hard to imagine but perhaps a `nuclear powered spacecraft with Space Shuttle tiles' could fly around in the Venus atmosphere.
Then again the atmosphere is sulphuric acid with sulphur trioxide `meaning an oxygen balloon would be like a hydrogen balloon' if it didn’t melt taking picture indefinately of the surface without propulsion.
Mars has plenty of `cheep light metals like Aluminium, calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium,' But I want the planets Beryllium/Titanium/Lithium from the surface geology.
Then I want to go down to the core! Umm `Planetary Cores' are cores, (it could be as dense as Mercury?). Just like the `Solar System the near to the centre has heavier elements so too the cores have precious metals. Venus has heavier metals and gases than Earth, thats why it's closer to the Sun (Venus has Sulphur trioxide because the gas is much heavier than Earth's Oxygen Nitrogen mix)
The Martian core could have plenty of Iron, copper, Manganese, Nickel, Titanium, simply from the centrifugal forces creating the solar system billions of years ago from a nebula shock-waved by a Super-Nova explosion into congealing into glowing chemically reactive proto planets.
Mars is frozen solid, there are no tectonic plates, no magma, we can use a worm drill such as used to build train tunnels and tunnel and mine the metal rich core with robots. We can build tunnels through the planet in 13 degree angles to come out on the other side of the planet utilising the Martian gravity like an underground swing travelling at the speed of Mars gravity (38% of Earth)
QUOTE (mooncamera's+Jul 9 2012, 03:53 AM)
Yes Mars is 50 million miles farther from the Sun. Meaning it is `composed of chiefly of lighter elements' than the Earth and `much lighter elements than Venus'.
Venus would be a goldmine for `heavy precious metals' but it would cost `billions to extract a ton' of minerals.
Hard to imagine but perhaps a `nuclear powered spacecraft with Space Shuttle tiles' could fly around in the Venus atmosphere.
Then again the atmosphere is sulphuric acid with sulphur trioxide `meaning an oxygen balloon would be like a hydrogen balloon' if it didn’t melt taking picture indefinately of the surface without propulsion.
Mars has plenty of `cheep light metals like Aluminium, calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium,' But I want the planets Beryllium/Titanium/Lithium from the surface geology.
Then I want to go down to the core! Umm `Planetary Cores' are cores, (it could be as dense as Mercury?). Just like the `Solar System the near to the centre has heavier elements so too the cores have precious metals. Venus has heavier metals and gases than Earth, thats why it's closer to the Sun (Venus has Sulphur trioxide because the gas is much heavier than Earth's Oxygen Nitrogen mix)
The Martian core could have plenty of Iron, copper, Manganese, Nickel, Titanium, simply from the centrifugal forces creating the solar system billions of years ago from a nebula shock-waved by a Super-Nova explosion into congealing into glowing chemically reactive proto planets.
Mars is frozen solid, there are no tectonic plates, no magma, we can use a worm drill such as used to build train tunnels and tunnel and mine the metal rich core with robots. We can build tunnels through the planet in 13 degree angles to come out on the other side of the planet utilising the Martian gravity like an underground swing travelling at the speed of Mars gravity (38% of Earth)
This has given me an idea:
Would a `hollow hot air Titanium Balloon’ shaped like a UFO fly? More interestingly would it fly indefinitely in the Venusian Atmosphere
The melting point of titanium is 1675 Celsius! But this would be an 95% hollow UFO shaped craft filled with very hot gasses like oxygen, helium would do, simply `as a metal ballon to mount television cameras on' to `float around in the atmosphere to take pictures’. It would never cool down because it’s 900 degrees something on Venus.
Venus would be a goldmine for `heavy precious metals' but it would cost `billions to extract a ton' of minerals.
Hard to imagine but perhaps a `nuclear powered spacecraft with Space Shuttle tiles' could fly around in the Venus atmosphere.
Then again the atmosphere is sulphuric acid with sulphur trioxide `meaning an oxygen balloon would be like a hydrogen balloon' if it didn’t melt taking picture indefinately of the surface without propulsion.
Mars has plenty of `cheep light metals like Aluminium, calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium,' But I want the planets Beryllium/Titanium/Lithium from the surface geology.
Then I want to go down to the core! Umm `Planetary Cores' are cores, (it could be as dense as Mercury?). Just like the `Solar System the near to the centre has heavier elements so too the cores have precious metals. Venus has heavier metals and gases than Earth, thats why it's closer to the Sun (Venus has Sulphur trioxide because the gas is much heavier than Earth's Oxygen Nitrogen mix)
The Martian core could have plenty of Iron, copper, Manganese, Nickel, Titanium, simply from the centrifugal forces creating the solar system billions of years ago from a nebula shock-waved by a Super-Nova explosion into congealing into glowing chemically reactive proto planets.
Mars is frozen solid, there are no tectonic plates, no magma, we can use a worm drill such as used to build train tunnels and tunnel and mine the metal rich core with robots. We can build tunnels through the planet in 13 degree angles to come out on the other side of the planet utilising the Martian gravity like an underground swing travelling at the speed of Mars gravity (38% of Earth)
This has given me an idea:
Would a `hollow hot air Titanium Balloon’ shaped like a UFO fly? More interestingly would it fly indefinitely in the Venusian Atmosphere
The melting point of titanium is 1675 Celsius! But this would be an 95% hollow UFO shaped craft filled with very hot gasses like oxygen, helium would do, simply `as a metal ballon to mount television cameras on' to `float around in the atmosphere to take pictures’. It would never cool down because it’s 900 degrees something on Venus.
QUOTE (mooncamera's+Jul 9 2012, 02:02 PM)
This has given me an idea:
Would a `hollow hot air Titanium Balloon’ shaped like a UFO fly? More interestingly would it fly indefinitely in the Venusian Atmosphere
The melting point of titanium is 1675 Celsius! But this would be an 95% hollow UFO shaped craft filled with very hot gasses like oxygen, helium would do, simply `as a metal balloon to mount television cameras on' to `float around in the atmosphere to take pictures’. It would never cool down because it’s 900 degrees something on Venus.
A coffee can is made of steal. How big would a `helium filled coffee can' have to be(scaled up) have to be so as it would become buoyant and float around in the atmosphere taking pictures indefinitely? The thermal heat on Venus is irrelevant to the titanium gas UFO; because the surrounding atmosphere is hotter.
All your going to have from `playing around with your Venus' is `pretty pictures' from your `project for your projector'. Is there any `money from pretty pictures' ha? ha? See my point! The gravity is too much.
Think about something much hotter and lighter! Mercury is probably a radioactive core of an ancient planet. It's probably full of Mine-able Uranium. A nuclear refinery could mine Uranium and heavy metals from mercury then blast them into orbit with nuclear powered spacecraft using Uranium mined from Mercury.
Lift of for a robotic nuclear craft withing Mercury's gravity would be much easier than the formidable Venusian gravity with `boiling hot high pressure acid atmosphere'.
I'm not clowning around! Perhaps some day you might be able to do something with `Your Venus' but there ain't much you could do with Uranus! The gravity is `eleven times greater than Earths'! If you lived there you wouldn't have the strength to get out of bed!
Think about the planet masses! Don't clown around with money!
Would a `hollow hot air Titanium Balloon’ shaped like a UFO fly? More interestingly would it fly indefinitely in the Venusian Atmosphere
The melting point of titanium is 1675 Celsius! But this would be an 95% hollow UFO shaped craft filled with very hot gasses like oxygen, helium would do, simply `as a metal balloon to mount television cameras on' to `float around in the atmosphere to take pictures’. It would never cool down because it’s 900 degrees something on Venus.
A coffee can is made of steal. How big would a `helium filled coffee can' have to be(scaled up) have to be so as it would become buoyant and float around in the atmosphere taking pictures indefinitely? The thermal heat on Venus is irrelevant to the titanium gas UFO; because the surrounding atmosphere is hotter.
All your going to have from `playing around with your Venus' is `pretty pictures' from your `project for your projector'. Is there any `money from pretty pictures' ha? ha? See my point! The gravity is too much.
Think about something much hotter and lighter! Mercury is probably a radioactive core of an ancient planet. It's probably full of Mine-able Uranium. A nuclear refinery could mine Uranium and heavy metals from mercury then blast them into orbit with nuclear powered spacecraft using Uranium mined from Mercury.
Lift of for a robotic nuclear craft withing Mercury's gravity would be much easier than the formidable Venusian gravity with `boiling hot high pressure acid atmosphere'.
I'm not clowning around! Perhaps some day you might be able to do something with `Your Venus' but there ain't much you could do with Uranus! The gravity is `eleven times greater than Earths'! If you lived there you wouldn't have the strength to get out of bed!
Think about the planet masses! Don't clown around with money!
QUOTE (E=McMassAcres+Jul 24 2012, 10:09 AM)
A coffee can is made of steal. How big would a `helium filled coffee can' have to be(scaled up) have to be so as it would become buoyant and float around in the atmosphere taking pictures indefinitely? The thermal heat on Venus is irrelevant to the titanium gas UFO; because the surrounding atmosphere is hotter.
All your going to have from `playing around with your Venus' is `pretty pictures' from your `project for your projector'. Is there any `money from pretty pictures' ha? ha? See my point! The gravity is too much.
Think about something much hotter and lighter! Mercury is probably a radioactive core of an ancient planet. It's probably full of Mine-able Uranium. A nuclear refinery could mine Uranium and heavy metals from mercury then blast them into orbit with nuclear powered spacecraft using Uranium mined from Mercury.
Lift of for a robotic nuclear craft withing Mercury's gravity would be much easier than the formidable Venusian gravity with `boiling hot high pressure acid atmosphere'.
I'm not clowning around! Perhaps some day you might be able to do something with `Your Venus' but there ain't much you could do with Uranus! The gravity is `eleven times greater than Earths'! If you lived there you wouldn't have the strength to get out of bed!
Think about the planet masses! Don't clown around with money!
Venus is pumped up very high with pressure! Because it’s bursting with water.
It probably has just as much water as Earth!
However the water doesn’t exist as liquid water!
The Venusian oceans are the atmosphere as humidity mixed with gasses. If you can imagine all the `Earths Oceans' boiled up into `transparent water vapour humidity' it would `make the atmosphere very dense', `very much heavier' than a mostly hollow spacecraft pumped up with helium. The craft would be as bouyant as a submarine in very thick heavy vaporous gases.
Furthermore I think I could build a ramjet engine utilising the lightweight abundant metals from Mars as fuel. Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Aluminium, would be the propellants of choice because they have low melting points and would produce tremendous amounts of Thrust in either Water or Sulphuric acid vapour without much need for Oxygen in the ramjet. Mars is red from IronOxide. Mix IronOxide with reductive Aluminium and you have part of a very powerfull propellant which can be utilised within the ramjet.
The spacecraft could have plane wings like a fighter jet and they would generate much more lift because the oceans are the gaseous air equivalent they would be flying in, but much heavier than our air. So the Plane like spacecraft could fly to much higher altitudes than on Earth.
All your going to have from `playing around with your Venus' is `pretty pictures' from your `project for your projector'. Is there any `money from pretty pictures' ha? ha? See my point! The gravity is too much.
Think about something much hotter and lighter! Mercury is probably a radioactive core of an ancient planet. It's probably full of Mine-able Uranium. A nuclear refinery could mine Uranium and heavy metals from mercury then blast them into orbit with nuclear powered spacecraft using Uranium mined from Mercury.
Lift of for a robotic nuclear craft withing Mercury's gravity would be much easier than the formidable Venusian gravity with `boiling hot high pressure acid atmosphere'.
I'm not clowning around! Perhaps some day you might be able to do something with `Your Venus' but there ain't much you could do with Uranus! The gravity is `eleven times greater than Earths'! If you lived there you wouldn't have the strength to get out of bed!
Think about the planet masses! Don't clown around with money!
Venus is pumped up very high with pressure! Because it’s bursting with water.
It probably has just as much water as Earth!
However the water doesn’t exist as liquid water!
The Venusian oceans are the atmosphere as humidity mixed with gasses. If you can imagine all the `Earths Oceans' boiled up into `transparent water vapour humidity' it would `make the atmosphere very dense', `very much heavier' than a mostly hollow spacecraft pumped up with helium. The craft would be as bouyant as a submarine in very thick heavy vaporous gases.
Furthermore I think I could build a ramjet engine utilising the lightweight abundant metals from Mars as fuel. Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Aluminium, would be the propellants of choice because they have low melting points and would produce tremendous amounts of Thrust in either Water or Sulphuric acid vapour without much need for Oxygen in the ramjet. Mars is red from IronOxide. Mix IronOxide with reductive Aluminium and you have part of a very powerfull propellant which can be utilised within the ramjet.
The spacecraft could have plane wings like a fighter jet and they would generate much more lift because the oceans are the gaseous air equivalent they would be flying in, but much heavier than our air. So the Plane like spacecraft could fly to much higher altitudes than on Earth.
QUOTE (mooncamera's+Jul 24 2012, 04:01 PM)
Venus is pumped up very high with pressure! Because it’s bursting with water.
It probably has just as much water as Earth!
However the water doesn’t exist as liquid water!
The Venusian oceans are the atmosphere as humidity mixed with gasses. If you can imagine all the `Earths Oceans' boiled up into `transparent water vapour humidity' it would `make the atmosphere very dense', `very much heavier' than a mostly hollow spacecraft pumped up with helium. The craft would be as bouyant as a submarine in very thick heavy vaporous gases.
Furthermore I think I could build a ramjet engine utilising the lightweight abundant metals from Mars as fuel. Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Aluminium, would be the propellants of choice because they have low melting points and would produce tremendous amounts of Thrust in either Water or Sulphuric acid vapour without much need for Oxygen in the ramjet. Mars is red from IronOxide. Mix IronOxide with reductive Aluminium and you have part of a very powerfull propellant which can be utilised within the ramjet.
The spacecraft could have plane wings like a fighter jet and they would generate much more lift because the oceans are the gaseous air equivalent they would be flying in, but much heavier than our air. So the Plane like spacecraft could fly to much higher altitudes than on Earth.
It’id be going to `Extremes’, A big round trip; visiting the `Red Planet’ just to get some fuel. We have plenty of Magnesium on Earth which we could use for an `Experimental Venusian Ramjet Engine'. The `Martian Termite would be good', but we have even more `Iron Ore and Aluminium on Earth as-well'.
Venus has a `Molten Core with a Magnetosphere’ whipped with Solar Winds, pictures of the aurora’s would prove very interesting.
The biggest problems to overcome would be friction and lubrication in such blaring heat.
It probably has just as much water as Earth!
However the water doesn’t exist as liquid water!
The Venusian oceans are the atmosphere as humidity mixed with gasses. If you can imagine all the `Earths Oceans' boiled up into `transparent water vapour humidity' it would `make the atmosphere very dense', `very much heavier' than a mostly hollow spacecraft pumped up with helium. The craft would be as bouyant as a submarine in very thick heavy vaporous gases.
Furthermore I think I could build a ramjet engine utilising the lightweight abundant metals from Mars as fuel. Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Aluminium, would be the propellants of choice because they have low melting points and would produce tremendous amounts of Thrust in either Water or Sulphuric acid vapour without much need for Oxygen in the ramjet. Mars is red from IronOxide. Mix IronOxide with reductive Aluminium and you have part of a very powerfull propellant which can be utilised within the ramjet.
The spacecraft could have plane wings like a fighter jet and they would generate much more lift because the oceans are the gaseous air equivalent they would be flying in, but much heavier than our air. So the Plane like spacecraft could fly to much higher altitudes than on Earth.
It’id be going to `Extremes’, A big round trip; visiting the `Red Planet’ just to get some fuel. We have plenty of Magnesium on Earth which we could use for an `Experimental Venusian Ramjet Engine'. The `Martian Termite would be good', but we have even more `Iron Ore and Aluminium on Earth as-well'.
Venus has a `Molten Core with a Magnetosphere’ whipped with Solar Winds, pictures of the aurora’s would prove very interesting.
The biggest problems to overcome would be friction and lubrication in such blaring heat.
QUOTE (O'rangestein+Jul 25 2012, 01:03 AM)
It’id be going to `Extremes’, A big round trip; visiting the `Red Planet’ just to get some fuel. We have plenty of Magnesium on Earth which we could use for an `Experimental Venusian Ramjet Engine'. The `Martian Termite would be good', but we have even more `Iron Ore and Aluminium on Earth as-well'.
Venus has a `Molten Core with a Magnetosphere’ whipped with Solar Winds, pictures of the aurora’s would prove very interesting.
The biggest problems to overcome would be friction and lubrication in such blaring heat.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Do those Planets have anythig the average man in the street would be buying? Venus is to hot, Mars is to cold. Mars is a light weight planet. As if your going to find something of value there like Emeralds, Rubies, or Saphires!
Venus has a `Molten Core with a Magnetosphere’ whipped with Solar Winds, pictures of the aurora’s would prove very interesting.
The biggest problems to overcome would be friction and lubrication in such blaring heat.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Do those Planets have anythig the average man in the street would be buying? Venus is to hot, Mars is to cold. Mars is a light weight planet. As if your going to find something of value there like Emeralds, Rubies, or Saphires!
QUOTE (The Quiter+Jul 25 2012, 06:50 AM)
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Do those Planets have anythig the average man in the street would be buying? Venus is to hot, Mars is to cold. Mars is a light weight planet. As if your going to find something of value there like Emeralds, Rubies, or Saphires!
the Goldilocks and the 3 bears plus a little wizard of Oz. Interesting .
the Goldilocks and the 3 bears plus a little wizard of Oz. Interesting .
QUOTE (The Quiter+Jul 25 2012, 06:50 AM)
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Do those Planets have anythig the average man in the street would be buying? Venus is to hot, Mars is to cold. Mars is a light weight planet. As if your going to find something of value there like Emeralds, Rubies, or Saphires!
Venus has a solid volcanically resurfaced crust. It has active volcano’s but no electromagnetic field.
Venus doesn’t have a Magnetosphere because of the very slow rotation of the planet.
One day on Venus would take 2/3 of an Earth year. Venus has water but most of it has been striped away by the solar winds.
The atmosphere is mostly CO2 with dense clouds of Sulphuric Acid 13 miles thick 30 miles above the surface of the planet.
The pressure on Venus is 90 Atmospheres with a surface temperature of 900 Degree’s Fahrenheit, whilst 30 miles up in the clouds the temperature is only about 175 Degrees Fahrenheit; A very comfortable temperature for a mostly hollow Titanium UFO shaped Hot Helium Balloon, floating around indefinitely taking infrared high resolution video of the planet.
Venus has a solid volcanically resurfaced crust. It has active volcano’s but no electromagnetic field.
Venus doesn’t have a Magnetosphere because of the very slow rotation of the planet.
One day on Venus would take 2/3 of an Earth year. Venus has water but most of it has been striped away by the solar winds.
The atmosphere is mostly CO2 with dense clouds of Sulphuric Acid 13 miles thick 30 miles above the surface of the planet.
The pressure on Venus is 90 Atmospheres with a surface temperature of 900 Degree’s Fahrenheit, whilst 30 miles up in the clouds the temperature is only about 175 Degrees Fahrenheit; A very comfortable temperature for a mostly hollow Titanium UFO shaped Hot Helium Balloon, floating around indefinitely taking infrared high resolution video of the planet.
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