WE ARE LIVING IN THE "TIME OF ILLUSION": Relativistic "TIME" IS NOT "SO REAL".

I started writing the patent of invention FUSOGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO ()HYDROGEN FUSOR for even ultra-cold nuclear fusion devices) in my new cattle farm in 1981 (25 years ago...), in Amazon Forest, as I saw evidences to have a "borderline" of two civilizations, separated by the "time" and degree of advancement, as on they have the domain of "anti-gravity" in a technical way (as we do with electricity and magnetism, not as result of "religious" miracles or something like that). I was a nothing religious person, with some expertise in African religion...

As I returned home, in early 1982, I myself decided to type the texts (memorial, summary, what I was willing as privilege) with a very good typewriter, thus I bought the top of line IBM electronic typewriter, imported from USA, and I ordered the drawing be made to perfection by draftsman in NANKIN ink. I "invested" some good some time and money, quite appreciable, knowing it was to stay decades "resting" on the shelves of patent of invention office and that it was not to be the source of any earning, as I knew it was far beyond our backward Civilization.

It is interesting that in the day before depositing documents as patent of invention, in Brazilian patent office, I went to downtown to make the required copies. I had decided to have the best possible copies, made in one special copy-shop. It was a day of huge public protests and strikes. When I left the shop, and I was walking back home among the crowd, one "woman" suddenly appeared before my way. And we did a "tangible collision", and it was clear it was result of a deliberate her collision. She asked me strange things and it was clear she was "monitoring" me. She asked if I know who I am... and if I know what I am supposed to do, if it was revealed... it was clear she knew the document patent was 100% finished. I run away, fearing she was crazy, nuts. Next day I deposited the patent of FUSÓGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO... March 1982.

In 1997, as part of my work, I traveled with my older son to France, to visit many places and I visited the French EuroDisney park with my son: not so nice. BIN LADEN would be a HONORED there as HEROES, together with their famous OBÉLIX and ASTÉRIX, the greatest TERRORISTS (making several TERRORISTIC THINGS, thus being TOP LEADERS of TERROR and REBELLION of ANCIENT FRENCH people against the domain of ROMAN EMPIRE, which was like USA domain under BUSH...)

Thus, to not have envy among my sons, I decided to travel to FLORIDA with my 2 younger sons, to visit DISNEYWORLD, which is much best for kids/adults. I was quite busy and thus I asked to my wife to make a research and discover the least expensive way to do such tourism to Disney-world and Miami. She tried so many tourism agencies to discover the most convenient way. As we are quite pour (not rich) she bought the most economical plan, as she told me. I didn't ask how much and how to pay and we got the travel tickets, without price in computer cupom: economy class, according my wife. That was in late 1997 (or 15.5 years after deposit of patent).

In the day of travel, our travel to the international departure airport delayed and we arrived late, and we showed the tickets and asked at the desk where it was boarding. We saw the huge endless boarding line and we marched to its end.

A BRILLIANT MIND (movies) or a FOOLED PERSON?

Then I noticed two very exotic and strange women walking toward us, at the end of such boarding line. They were dressed in the most possible beautiful and STRANGE clothing and style, that was quite like of QUEENS, but even in movies they never showed so best possible beautiful style of dressing and colors and fashion. My guess they were checking about overbooking, as they were not making interviews with passengers, maybe as if searching. It was more strange nobody was taking pictures or making movie with them...

When they got to us, they asked my air travel tickets and I got MADE against them, because I had not seen them doing that before... why just us? I told that I had checked the proper line at the counter before joining the line. Was us dumb, idiot people? And they replied it was necessary for them to see and "inspect" our travel ticket. And I replied an ANGRY answer... and we continued, in such ROUGH and becoming LOUDER VOICE. Thus I decided to show them the tickets. She grabbed it from my hands (doing a "a tangible thing") and she examined so long sequence of numbers and symbols. Immediately she told we were in the "wrong line", as that was their conclusion: we were in "first class", not "economy class". I told it was IMPOSSIBLE as we are pour people and we only travel in economy class (we did that even going to Malaysia..., my wife and I). Imagine giving first class to kids go to DISNEYLAND? Are you MAD? My wife did the search for the lowest possible fare, the most economic one. She delivered the air travel tickets to the other QUEEN LIKE and she examined them. She stated FOR SURE THEY ARE FIRST CLASS. "Go to the desk and verify it...". I recognized her!

She was the woman (now dressed as QUEEN) that had made so many questions to me (including if I knew who I am... IMAGINE!) 15.5 years ago, when I was to deposit the invent FUSOGINO DE HIDROGENIO and she was "real, tangible". And she had changed nothing, except for the amazingly expensive and beautiful fashion, but the voice remained intact (like BRILLIANT MIND...) and in fact she was REAL and TANGIBLE, for me, in the airport, in my judgment...tridimensional!

I decided to RUN to the FIRST CLASS boarding desk, with the air travel ticket very visible in my hands. It was empty of passengers and yet at some distance the attendant (a Japanese descendant) already told me: YOU ARE FIRST CLASS! COME IN! If this was not the case, of being FIRST CLASS, in case tickets were for economy class, I would RUN BACK and give some KICKS in the QUEENS, as they could not run away fast with that heavy clothing.

But my tickets were for FIRST CLASS (and I "feared" my wife had "fooled", making a "surprise", and that I was to pay a huge credit card debt... wastage) and attendant told in the moment tickets were bought it was already made the seat reservations, with us 3 close/together, in a good place... I asked if tickets were "true, not faked" air travel tickets, BUT they were regular paid ones... Who did pay? When I returned to Brazil, it was not possible to disclose about that...

And what was most amazing is that my sons didn't see the 2 QUEENS and also didn't notice the LOUD VOICES OF DISCUSSIONS and almost aggression against the leader of them... In fact my sons were very happy in traveling FIRST CLASS, the first time event for them. Thus some "hidden" event (maybe the change or air travel tickets?) took place not in their "time" (but in other time), thus into quite "parallel time", virtual event for them, but with tangible results for them. When I returned and told this to a physician, he ordered me face so many examinations, but not wrong was found, as schizophrenia
(in fact I have a genetic disease, in several degrees among my father´s side family, but could not cause that and it was first reported among old Jews community)...

The event of time change repeated when we were traveling from Cape Kennedy (Canaveral) Space Center (where we stayed) to Miami, afternoon. I stop to have a dinner (in a sea food restaurant) and they ate a lot and they had a full day and were tired. Quite soon, night time, they slept both in the rear seat, thus the front passenger site was available (empty). The amazing huge highway was with great traffic in both ways, as Miami is important town/harbor for USA and Latin America.

In one moment I started to become "alarmed" as the traffic coming from Miami started to decrease and then ceased. I reasoned a catastrophic event may took place ahead and I became into "alert". Then, for my surprise the vehicles ahead of me moved as if in very high speed and the lanes became empty and the same took place with vehicles behind me, as if they had stopped and as if a fog of cloudiness came to over the two sides of highway... I started to slow down, slowly, to park, and to "reason" what was going on... Then I understood there was an "alien", and as it was very dark, I have no idea. Told to return to normal velocity, that it was safe to travel in such condition. I guess had not immigration visa... And that the driving was to be his duty: to trust. And it continued maybe some 20 minutes (30?) and then I understood it was over and thus I returned driving the rented car, and the "darkness mist" dissipated and then soon reverted the ahead and behind traffic returned to normal, next to me, and then the traffic coming from Miami was restored to normal, as if in a reversed movies. As soon I saw a little road, leaving the highway to go to several shops, I departed from highway in a rush, braking and waking up my sons to see what happened. I was scared, maybe with my hairs as if under electrostatic charge, and we stopped in a fast food and I ordered "a COKE, please"!

I could understand/notice very well the "transition of Civilizations" and of "time". It is possible my car, in our real world, moved nothing, even one inch, measured in our "time Universe", and thus the kids had not faced none risk at all.

WHAT IS "TIME"? How it links with ANTI-GRAVITY? What is GRAVITY? Is it the same as GRAVITY in the "opposite" (as in electricity and magnetism)? NO!!!

Nessus, you Posted something related to my messages: Cold fusion, anti gravity, your argument is very compelling. Its got to be true then!

SOMETHING may make not sense if not place into the proper background, as if the time, space, civilization, people faith and behavior, technological development (you can see that with JULIO VERNER´s TECHNOLOGICAL "tales", as about a clearly nuclear submarine, NAUTILUS, traveling submerged all around the Globe).
Thus what could make not a "technological sense", in VERNER´s days, is quite like a normal report about such type of common nuclear submarines. The same is true in relation to many religious believes: they are linked to a people and time and civilization, style of life, etc. It is not possible to live in nowadays civilization the rules introduced by Moses to Jews, very long ago. The same with Muhammad in relation to the ARABS and then Arab Civilization. You can't JUDGE a Civilization, unless you are living in such Civilization and with their values and rules, etc.

I guess in 1981, when I wrote the core of patent of invention FUSÓGINO DE HIDROGEN (FUSOR DEVICE for all types of HYDROGEN ISOTOPES), 25 YEARS ago, nobody could "dream" about COLD and even ULTRA-COLD NUCLEAR FUSION PROCESS, as igniting the process at almost ZERO °KELVIN. At those days the FAITH of Wise Scientists was that it would require the use of PLASMA of Deuterium compressed to high temperatures and high pression (I guess Larson's equation), quite like they were trying in TOKAMAK (even nowadays, as the huge one for European Community, which started up, as research unit, I guess last year in France... it will cost huge amount of money and they don't know, for sure, if it will be able, for first time on Earth, the feasible and continued FUSION PROCESS, as if the "ignition of a motor car to run away". In the dream, 1981, it was clear they were not generating "hot waste heat", as we have in nowadays nuclear plants. In fact we just changed COAL and WOOD by some URANIUM to generate the same STEAM, in the way to convert one noble energy into other, passing through a low quality energy. And it was clear that in fact it was not required to use ANY PLASMA and thus any "great temperature" to have NUCLEAR FUSION, thus the name COLD NUCLEAR FUSION. But in the way humans say it, it is at near ambient temperature but in fact it could be used just ATOMS (as of DEUTERIUM) accelerated by some type of ANTIGRAVITY (it would be more complicated with electricity and magnetism) as if run as cold as close to absolute zero °K. And in their collision they could ignite in NUCLEAR FUSION, as if using "ordered movement of particles, which is not "HEAT" by definition" and that could being "worth" heat energy of only thousands eVolts, not much greater than in some commercial TV tubes and electronic microscopes. The POWER PLANT from some 1 km height had no cooling towers, as usual " human's nuclear KETTLE steam technology".

I am not telling about a common dream, as it was so convincing (when I understood there was a "thin border" with reality, and some linking points) that instead of going to fish huge and nice fishes from the Amazon Rivers (river TOCANTINS and good fishes as TUCUNARE) I preferred to stay writing, on nothing smooth paper (but instead the one used to wrap goods to farms) and using a big and thick pencil used by cattlemen to take some notes. And doing that under the light of a LPG lamp used in farms, attracting insects and biting you. And facing the mockery of friends and parents, relatives, etc. against recording a dream. But it appeared so real and so good and in fact, by all my heart, I wanted to return there, to the other civilization, but it was like the dreams of Oz's land. I never returned but the manager told for ever I would remember about it, when the rude man opened my camera and veiled the negative. For all practical purposes such dream is as if part of a real past time I lived as a mortal being. As if going to some Garden of pleasantly life, we wouldn't like to depart from it.
SAVELLI

Dear Nelstro
Thank you for your comments, about what is intended to be more like a CHAT.
The idea is to provide some "background" for you understand some comments that are not expressed in the usual way. It is quite like JULIO VERNER using of a FICTION ROMANCED LITERATURE to talk about several TECHNOLOGICAL features of one Civilization, which is quite us nowadays. If he had talked about SAIL SHIPS it would not have lasted, as good subject for nowadays reading, than in the way he provided in such literature. Also Leonardo da Vince tried to present similar technological advanced ideas, but trying to express them with drawings and equations and models. He used some background that was not popular in his days and also few persons can "understand" his ways of representation. But Julio Verner talked in the way we understand: with the imagination, the passion, the love and other feelings that remain the same and appellative to our understanding.

I don't remember dreaming the same dream. What is common is to have some dreams dreamed "into sequence, or broken sequence, or inverted or missing sequence" (and years later you may dream the "missing link, movie"). And it is easy to know such dreams as it is not possible to "forget" (erase them from memory). Thus they become as if part of true personal life history, as if lived as mortal person and generally they are "very vivid", as if a 3-D Movies in Disney.

What it would be benefit of discussing about antigravity based on mathematical equations and examples of utilization of my equations? I presented them in this and other forum and they were "erased". I guess such persons were "bored" of trying to reason about Math relationship of "gravity" and "anti gravity".... as if coming from nothing, having no background to explain their origin... Probably the same took place with Leonardo da Vince reasonings, as about parachute, helicopter, airplanes, gears, battle tanks, etc. based on "observation and logic reasoning", etc. In any way the erased messages are saved in this following site:

http://www.anti-relativity.com/forum/viewt...php?p=4222#4222
PhysOrgForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums -> Physics -> Physics General

Is what you are saying theory or fact? GOOD QUESTION. It appears it is real, tangible, but I never got a feather from an Angel (if that would suffice for religious people declared saints...) for Science examining it and declaring to be not of terrestrial ability to produce such material, extraterrestrial, from an "alien".
SAVELLI (for Muslim generally I write/wrote as ALIJAH: pen name. My sister is married with a British Muslim: they live other civilization... values)

SOMETHINGS are not possible to make a report. As now, I tried twice to comment about the interaction of two distinct Civilizations and their specific time, even in our tangible way. Not possible... both texts were erased and nothing remained as if they were just dreams that were dreamed in the usual way and got forgotten. One day I tried hard to go on, as if to save something: my computer burned and smoke came out. I got angry and went into the company where I work and it was off hours and I tried to reproduce the information: not possible to save it or load in Internet or send email or print... all blocked. Computer also burned and smoked.

I know very little about the subject, which I started to reason (DREAM?) about in 1981 (25 years ago) and that is very clear in the body of the Patent of Invention FUSOGINO DE HIDROGENIO (HYDROGEN FUSOR for cold to ultra-cold nuclear fusion of 3 hydrogen isotopes and others) which was deposited in Brazilian Patent Office in March 1982 (now it is available to public free examination, as it is of public domain).

I think the "weakest point" of Relativity THEORY is exactly the biased or exacerbated value provided to the TIME, as if it could be the same and measured and "felt" the same way in all Civilizations/Culture/People in the Supreme Universe (we are just an infinitesimal "slice" of it). In fact the RELATIVISTIC THEORY is something "good" when kept into a "narrow and limited sense", as when it was generated, not being like an UNIVERSAL LAW for all other physical laws being "slaved" to it. It is like the CALORIC THEORY which was very good, in the first days, up for science evolve into something better, based on Thermodynamics concepts and laws. Maybe if CALORIC theory was TOO STRONGLY SUPPORTED, it had delayed the progress toward THERMODYNAMICS and other physical sciences and laws.

I provided some MATH SPECULATIONS, based on Einstein's reasoning, as a first approach people could REASON EASILY on relativity. It is very clear my reasoning is that RELATIVITY, with all the EXCESS developed to support it, is not good for mortal humans, tangible, in their own "time referential". In fact there are infinite "time referential possible", as I showed in many sites, and necessarily not all of them are in the "linear relationship" as believed in relativity. NOTHING PREVENTS other people and civilization have a time relationship which is in the exponential or logarithmic scale in relation to us and that the speed of light for them may be changing with time, in THEIR TIME REFERENTIAL. Who did say all time referential are linearly linked? They are very ARBITRARY REFERENTIAL and using them as LANDMARKS (to make topographic surveys) is like using the incandescent mark cattlemen (like me) put on some bovines, as LANDMARKS, and the MARKS are moving as they are arbitrarily chosen and some bovines walk going to pasture, drink water, etc.

In my OPINION, GRAVITY and ANTI-GRAVITY are not the SAME THING and one is not just EQUAL but the OPPOSITE of the other (as we have in electricity and magnetism). Even using the limited FIRST APPROACH possible, departing from EINSTEIN´s EQUATIONS (itself), I arrived to a rough relationship between GRAVITY and ANTI-GRAVITY, and I showed that in fact ANTI-GRAVITY is like the OPPOSITION FORCE to any movement, providing other type of inertia, as forcing LIGHT and PARTICLES moving to outside BLACK HOLES (thus facing the usual GRAVITATION) and making light bend near strong gravitational fields, with curvature not being related to SPACE TIME CURVATURE, but to the TANGIBLE EFFECTS of ANTI-GRAVITY...It is ANTI-GRAVITY FIELD which stores energy provided to particles being accelerated, thus none TANGIBLE MASS is being increase, but GRAVITATIONAL INERTIA in the way of ANTI-GRAVITY. I provided an equation which is Force = mo. a . 1 + (v/C)^2 . (Taylor´s like series with function of V/C)

http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/celsosavelli...GRAVITATION.htm

http://www.anti-relativity.com/forum/viewt...er=asc&start=30 Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: REVIEW MEANING AND COMPUTATION OF F2nd + 2nd LAW GRAVITATION

SECOND LAW OF UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION:


F2 = F2nd = mo . a . {3/2 . (V /c)2 + 15/8 .(V /c)4 + ... } it depends on (V/c)


(FIRST LAW OF UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION, NEWTON’s LAW on COMMON INERTIA)


F1 = mo . a (it doesn’t depend on V/c)


TWO very DISTINCT “inertial” FORCES, that ACT IN SO VERY DISTINCT WAY!

SEE also site http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/celsosavelli...GRAVITATION.JPG

F2nd = 2nd Law of Gravitation (against increasing/decreasing velocity or quantity of movement) =

= F – (Mo . a) = Fadditional to be used from external force (causing acceleration) to provide INTERNAL INERTIAL ENERGY, “stored” into particles of tangible mass or into light.


In which “F” is total force + energy added to (un)accelerating particles, or making them change direction (as in one linear accelerator; otherwise light moves in straight line, unless in intense field, as orbiting a massive star).


Thus some of total applied external “F”, is named “F1” (and it is the Newton’s Force = mo . a) is used to increase Kinetics energy of tangible mass (never of the light particles…): never to increase “mass”, as passing from “mo” to “m1”, with V1/c almost 1…

And the remaining force “F2 = F2nd” = “Ftotal applied – F1”, is used to increase (internally into tangible mass or into light particles) the GRAVITATIONAL INERTIAL ENERGY (from the 2nd UNIVERSAL LAW OF GRAVITATION, valid only for very high Velocities “V”, V/c near 1), quite like something “INERTIA” (both for tangible mass and for light particles), which is added (“stored into”) into light particles (photons) or into original (at rest, V=0) mass “mo” (such tangible mass never increases with velocity: one elephant remains just one ELEPHANT! Never resulting “m1 = 1.33 ALICE or Elephant”, in case of tangible mass (matter) falling through ALICE’s DARK HOLE… (please, clean minds! Respect!)

STORED INTO MASS "Mo" accelerating in Velocities "V" near to velocity of light ("C"):

ADDITIONAL FORCE to overcome gravitational resistance = mo . a . {3/2 . (V/c)2 + 15/8.(V/c)4 + 35/16.(V/c)6 + ... } (11)

If we examine equation (10), it is exactly the same we deducted yesterday (March 13, Monday) in the site with this following URL:

http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/celsosavelli...GRAVITATION.htm

SECOND LAW OF UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION:

F2 = F2nd = mo . a . {3/2 . (V /c)^2 + 15/8 .(V /c)^4 + 35/16.(V/c)^6 + 315/128 . (V/c)^8 + 693/256 . (V/c)^10 )... } it depends on (V/c) WHAT "V"? WHAT "c"?

a2nd = a . (V/c)^2 . [ { 3/2 + 15/8.(V/c)^2 + 35/16.(V/c)^4 + 315/128 . (V/c)^6 + 693/256 . (V/c)^8 ) + ...] ) ----(35)

a2nd depends on (V/c) as direct controlling parameter for acceleration. Thus a2nd is an expression that depends directly on (V/c) ratio, being “zero” when we are at rest (V=0; BASED ON WHAT REFERENTIAL? or V/c based on what referential?) when it applies the classic gravity acceleration and Newton’s Law of inertia: Ftotal = mo . a (only).

(FIRST LAW OF UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION, NEWTON’s LAW on COMMON INERTIA)


F1 = mo . a (it doesn’t depend on V/c) We were able to provide support for F1 remaining constant, as mo . a, thus in fact there is none mass increase, as “m1 –mo” with increasing ratio “V/c”.

Ftotal = mo. a + mo. a . (V/c)^2 [ { 3/2 + 15/8.(V/c)^2 + 35/16.(V/c)^4 + 315/128 . (V/c)^ 6 + 693/256 . (V/c)^8 ) + ...] = ----(33)


TWO very DISTINCT “inertial” FORCES, that ACT IN SO VERY DISTINCT WAY!

SEE also site http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/celsosavelli...GRAVITATION.JPG

Celso Savelli Gomes, Curitiba, Parana, Brazil, March 14 7:31 P.M. (local time)[/[/color]b]




Celso Savelli Gomes, Curitiba, Parana, Brazil, March 14 7:31 P.M. (local time)[/[/color]b]




SAVELLI (M.Sc. Engineer, not of Physics, Univ. California, Berkeley, 1978).

ABOVE COMMENTS ARE RELATED TO THIS POSTED MESSAGE IN
Newton’s Second Law is a Relativistic Law
http://www.anti-relativity.com/forum/viewt...php?p=4230#4230
Dr. Nizar Hamdan
E-mail: nhamdan2@lycos.com

One understands relativistic mechanics as a modification of (correction to) classical mechanics, while the same correction can be obtained if we go back to Newton’s Second Law (NSL) and take the change of mass.
The claim that NSL is close to the relativistic law is not quite accurate; it is more accurate to say, that NSL is applied without the concept of ‘mass change’. Does this mean that applying the concept ‘mass change’ along with NSL allows all the relations in relativistic mechanics to be re-derived without using Einstein’s relativity (SRT)? The present paper[1] answers in the affirmative.
Newton used 3-d setup in his mechanics and it was wrong because his equations needed to be changed in 4-d setup (relativistic mechanics).
In the practice of SRT boils down to the requirement that each physical theory has to satisfy the condition of relativistic invariance. That simply means that all physical values in a theory must be presented by the mathematical symbols that have a definite 4-dimensional meaning.
It is well known that any new formalism claiming to be more accurate than the old must predict the old formalism’s verified results. This paper presented our attempt to get all the relations in relativistic mechanics by using a different approach: we changed the scale of the mass, rather than the scale of space-time as in SRT as well as in 4-dimensional Minkowski space.

In contrast to SRT, which made the NSL a hypothetical kinematics, the present formalism [1] once again makes the NSL a dynamical law.

References
1. Hamdan, N. 2005. Newton’s Second Law is a Relativistic law without
Einstein’s relativity. Galilean Electrodynamics. 16: 71-74.

IT WAS POSSIBLE TO LINK "SPACE x TIME" FOR TWO CIVILIZATIONS IN USA: it appeared the "gap" in time was about 156 years "distant" from nowadays time in Saint Louis (USA town).
CELEBRATING 100 YEARS OF THEORY OF RELATIVITY(! / ???)

The material is available in Portuguese(Brazilian) language in some Brazilian sites and groups, and the last message was posted ones were this posted material:

http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/fotossud/message/3233 (and also .../3231)
Date of posting: Data: Dom Jun 25, 2006 1:01 pm

Such MANAGER of such great and secret POWER PLANT " (the subject of the patent of invention FUSOGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO, deposited in March 1982 in Brazilian Patent Office) was the man who knew and had the powers on how to control gravitation (or it "opposite", the anti-gravity), as we do when we turn on and off the switches for power, light, magnetism (as providing command for electrical and magnetic fields).

It was evident that I had penetrated, as "intruder", in such so secret place (prohibited land) and at the same time being the so ideal land (as if a perfect garden of wonderful things), yet in the future (for us). It is easy to understand such reading the document Patent of Invention of FUSOGINO DE HIDROGENIO of 1982. And the dreams had not a religious purpose, and they appeared to be more scientific related (not being related to LDS believes). Also because in 1981 - 1982 I was quite liked to an African Religion ("Umbanda") developed in Brazil and my wife was a kind of priestess of such religious group. Their gathering center was just besides my home, having a wall separating them.

It is difficult to understand where and how is the "start of dream" that lead to the idea of FUSOGINO DE HYDROGEN, but the dream was dreamed into TWO DISTINCT PARTS, that I concluded they were the same dream. Some parts of the dream was easy to provide a "date", thus link in "time", but the start of it only in 1985 I could discover "when" an "where" was the link in time and in space. The great "gateway" of Saint Louis I discovered is like the symbolism of "time" link.


Some aspects of the dreams are quite like Zardoz's movies (of 1960, with Sean Connery) as if us us the famine suffering barbarian people against the borderlines of a "Paradise" of a very advanced civilization. It is not the case of Them.

GOOGLE SEARCH: In fact many of your comments and suggestions, are quite clear in my patent of invention, named "FUSÓGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO" ("Cold Nuclear Fusor Device for nuclear fusion of hydrogen isotopes ...) forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=5806 - 40k


GOOGLE SEARCH: PhysOrgForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums ... - Many aspects of this are in a document named FUSOGINO DE HIDROGENIO, deposited in a patent office in 1982. You may laugh about this silly speculations...



I guess I had written other aspects, in other ways and in different sites and messages in groups/forums, but now I will try to put things in a clear order for the purpose I have in mind, thinking in relation to the "future".

In 1981 I dreamed some company was stealing wood from my new cattle-farm, that recently I had bought in Amazon Forest, nearby the town of (Tucurui, largest 100% Brazilian owned hydroelectric, flooded one my farm...), and I had not yet visited such farm. In the dream I learned the trajectory since the harbor of Tucurui (where I arrived in previous dream) up to the new farm. Thus I learned about the roads going there and inside the farm. I had arrived in Tucurui town by a very large and brand new transatlantic ship. Thus traveling through roads inside the farm I saw the wood being stolen. Thus as soon as I woke up I phoned to the manager (my brother in law) to take steps and stop such robbery of wood. Two weeks later I was visiting the new farm, and for my surprise I already knew it as being the same as in the dream, as the roads outside and inside the farm. Thus in the spot I saw in the movies it was piled up the material used by the company to steal the wood from my forest: fuel tank, equipments, the cut wood ready to transport to process in industry.

In the "dream" I walked ahead from the robbery point, with my workers, and we followed by the temporary road opened by the company stealing the wood. Thus in the dream we moved inside the Amazon Forest, up to us reach a place where abruptly the FOREST (with plenty very tall trees) was limited by a tall metallic fence (as those used in sportive stadium to avoid people moving into it to disturb players) and next to such fence there was like a very well care "garden", quite like endless.

I decided to "investigate" and my workers made a hole in the tall fence. Only I past through the "opening", and with my reflex camera. At first I did quite like an Environmental Assessment Impact, taking pictures and observing the quality of air, water, vegetation, noise, smoke, plumes, etc. That was linked to the huge CONSTRUCTION we could see from the border, being like made in plates of stainless steel, shining and being like brushed, hiding something like 600m (2,000 ft) CONSTRUCTION and kilometers by kilometers. I decided to get close to see if there was any evidence of stolen wood around there.

In a given moment somebody hidden grabbed me, and in a rough way opened my camera and destroyed the negative. I was rescued by the MANAGER, the man who knows how to make control, in a scientific and practical way, the gravitation. He told to his employee the action was in vain, as I was to return alive to my workers and I was to remain for ever about what I had seen.

Then he said: "Enter and learn about this prohibited place". And we entered into large auditorium like a great class room. He showed how it was possible to control gravitation, and we flew (without any machine or equipment, and I was grabbed in him in a peculiar way for a safe grab, and we traveled all around and in several heights, including over the POWER PLANT). Gravitation was not removed, but only "controlled, handled".

The POWER PLANT is something that can be put to orbit PLANETS, as Earth, as to control their CLIMATE (as to heat them) and to increase CROP PRODUCTION (you can see that and details in the patent of invention FUSOGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO written 25 years ago...under mockery of my family members and friends). It is true writing about something, so strange, is like feeling surrounded by ghosts, maybe making to remember something like nice world In Oz: Wizard+Dorothy?

As it is suggested and shown in the nice drawings of patent of invention FUSOGINO de HIDROGENIO, such type of POWER PLANTS can orbit planets and also can be one propulsion system for starship going to far away stars, and they are quite like we can see in modern movies, as Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.

For sure, "something" is laking to tangible mortals. And that is quite evident when we read JULIO VERNE's (SCIENTIFIC) romances, as 20000 LEGUES UNDER THE SEA (TRAVELING SUBMERGED around EARTH), which clearly was foretelling about NUCLEAR POWER and nuclear powered submarines, nowadays something available technology for first class nations. But from where does it come the powers that govern such 'FIELD" (the same question for Julio's submarine Nautilus...), which is quite unknown for humans. We only know about it in a "passive way", as old people did with electricity and magnetism and chemistry. The MANAGER of POWER PLANT, after flying around/over the PLANT, let me land in the other side of such tall fence, and I gathered with my workers. And he advised us to return in peace to our homes. But the fence remained with the "hole".

THE NEXT PART EXPLAINS HOW WE COULD FIND A "LINK", IN TIME AND SPACE, OF SUCH "MANAGER" BEING IN SAINT LOUIS, USA, some 156 YEARS AGO.

TO BE TRANSLATED... (such USA CONNECTION with the POWER PLANT and TIME)

De fato já tinha conhecido o sr. GERENTE, um cara poderoso e sábio. Quando minha esposa e eu fomos fazer um giro pelos EUA, compramos um pacote turístico pela Republic Airlines aqui no Brasil. Mas erraram no entender a diferença entre número de cidades e de trechos voados. De forma que em MIAMI viram que faltava um TRECHO. A própria atendente sugeriu para incluirmos a cidade de SAINT LOUIS e não teve muitos argumentos turísticos, mas estava "bem na rota" para NOVA ORLEANS... Assim, sem nunca ter DESEJADO ou PRETENDIDO acabamos indo conhecer SAINT LOUIS e tive um "mal pressentimento" quando aterrizando, reconhecendo a hidrografia como algo familiar. Minha esposa riu-se. Alugamos um carro e quando chegamos na parte velha de SAINT LOUIS me senti como alguém dirigindo por um bairro conhecido. Minha esposa riu-se. Fomos até o alto do ARCO, como que a unir simbolicament o PASSADO e o FUTURO, e lá de cima vi os barcos turísticos (com as rodas dágua atrás) e outros detalhes. Ao descer fomos na tal IGREJINHA, em realidade a ANTIGA CATEDRAL DE SAINT LOUIS. Ao entrar dentro dela, foi como se estivesse cheia de enxames enfezados de "MARIMBONDOS DE FOGO", de forma que me vi em prantos fortes e desconsolados, como o de um bezerro desmamado, que de repente se lembrou da mãe apartada. Foi terrível ver que eu já tinha um "passado", que até então eu desconhecia, e que era o meu próprio passado (e não de ninguém mais...) e que agora se somava e ampliava ao meu passado, tão breve. Foi aquele maior "vexame" o BERREIRO QUE APRONTEI. Resolvi ir andar de navio turístico, do tipo com a RODA DÁGUA atrás. Quase caí de costas. O COMANDANTE era a "cara" do GERENTE DA USINA "fusógino de hidrogênio", um cara nada Anglo-Saxão, mas de fato "LATINÃO" como nós brasileiros. Tirei fotos dele e até a "voz" e a "postura corporal" era a do GERENTE DE USINA. E me lembrei do SONHO que ele me conduziu até TUCURUÍ, partindo de SAINT LOUIS, tudo de NAVIO. Nós (e foi muita gente, muita mesmo, entupindo seu navio) embarcamos em SAINT LOUIS e o CAPITÃO ("gerente", ele "está" ao longo do "tempo") era meu amigo e me chamou, a sós, à sua cabine e me mostrou o MAPA DE NAVEGAÇÃO. Nunca vira nada parecido entre os mortais (JÁ FUI diretor técnico de empresa de porte médio que fazia mapas de alta precisão a mapas de fazendas) porque o mapa se "movia" através do "tempo" (é algo engraçado) e me mostrou que logo adiante iríamos cruzar uma extensa área "PROHIBITED LAND" e estava tudo em Inglês e falávamos em Inglês. Explicou que ninguém pode cruzar tal LAND e se lembrar dela, de a ter cruzado. Mas que eu iria lembrar. E comentou que eu estava indo visitar a minha nova fazenda em Tucuruí-Pará e a localizou no MAPA e disse que fazia divisa com a "PROHIBITED LAND".

Ao navio chegar na PROHIBITED LAND, fomos todos convocados para dentro de um grande salão e se fecharam todas as portas e janelas. Ficou a escuridão total, e o navio navegando rumo ao TEMPO ADIANTE, viagem macia e suave. O CAPITÃO acendeu a sua LAMPARINA e ela tinha uma coloração avermelhada (criptonita?) e por essa luz, a "luz do capitão", e fomos todos iluminados para esquecer de todo o nosso passado, para não lembrar que cruzarmos a PROHIBITED LAND.Ao final estávamos em um novo mundo ("o dos mortais"... presumo, pelo filme) e abriram-se as portas e janelas, e vimos a luz de um "novo sol" e vimos um "novo céu" e agora já se falava português (brasileiro) e o navio era moderníssimo, todo de aço relusente. Havíamos "nascido" pela segunda vez, para um novo mundo (o da modernidade). Navegamos mais um pouco, rápidamente, e chegamos a Tucuruí, onde começa o outro "filme = sonho" (seria algo como Zardoz? ou a Terra tão boa do filme do Mágico de Oz?). Talvez agora possamos ter uma melhor compreensão de quem é o GERENTE.

Atenciosamente,
CELSO SAVELLI GOMES

SECOND LAW OF NEWTON is "wrong" unless you are near REST (dV almost 0)

Newton's laws of motion - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Newton's Laws of Motion are laws which provide relationships between the forces acting on a body and the motion of the body, first formulated by Isaac Newton.

We deducted, in the second message as Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:01 am
about Newton’s Second Law is a Relativistic Law - Dr. Nizar Hamdan

F1 = mo . a (it does not’t depend on V/c) We were able to provide support for F1 remaining constant, as mo . a, thus in fact there is none mass increase, as “m1 –mo” with increasing ratio “V/c”. This support NEWTON's 2nd LAW

BUT it appears a SECOND FORCE, which influences the MOTION of a body, when it travels with great speed, and it is related to F2nd, gravitational inertia

SECOND LAW OF UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION do not agree with this force:

F2 = F2nd = mo . a . {3/2 . (V /c)^2 + 15/8 .(V /c)^4 + 35/16.(V/c)^6 + 315/128 . (V/c)^8 + 693/256 . (V/c)^10 )... } it depends on (V/c) WHAT "V"? WHAT "c"?

Ftotal = F1 (2nd Law of Newton) + F2nd (gravitational inertia, whole universe opposes resistance for any particle changing velocity, inertia) =
= mo. a + mo. a . (V/c)^2 [ { 3/2 + 15/8.(V/c)^2 + 35/16.(V/c)^4 + 315/128 . (V/c)^ 6 + 693/256 . (V/c)^8 ) + ...] =

= mo . a { 1 + (V/c)^2 [ { 3/2 + 15/8.(V/c)^2 + 35/16.(V/c)^4 + 315/128 . (V/c)^ 6 + 693/256 . (V/c)^8 ) + ...] } ----(33)


TWO very DISTINCT “inertial” FORCES, that ACT IN SO VERY DISTINCT WAY! As one becomes important only in great "velocity", as if "tangible mass is increasing", when what is increasing is "gravitational inertia": 2nd type gravity



Newton's First and Second laws, in Latin, from the original 1687 edition of the Principia Mathematica.Sir Isaac Newton's laws of motion were first published in his work Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica (1687). The laws form the basis for classical mechanics. Newton used them to explain many results concerning the motion of physical objects. In the third volume of the text, he showed that the laws of motion, combined with his law of universal gravitation, explained Kepler's laws of planetary motion.

****SAVELLI: BUT WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH HUGE VELOCITIES, as when orbiting near the surface of a dense star (as in experiment to support Einstein's theory, 100 years ago...), the equation for orbiting (and for angle deviation) is no longer valid, as the second term of the general equation becomes very significant: mo. a . (V/c)^2 [ { 3/2 + 15/8.(V/c)^2 + 35/16.(V/c)^4 + 315/128 . (V/c)^ 6 + 693/256 . (V/c)^8 ) + ...] Then anti-gravity changes the normal trajectory (pathway) of light, as usual laws apply not more... In fact space-time is not "curving or bending" near any strong gravitational field and there is no BLACK HOLE as anti-gravitation will push light particles to outside the gravitational huge field, thus the "black hole" is not more "black" but illuminated from inside. In fact we can see why light moves in straight line and just "bend" near strong gravitational field: due anti-gravity. It will "oppose" the gravity we know from Kepler and Newton.

Second law of Newton (WIKIPEDIA)
The rate of change of the momentum of a body is directly proportional to the net force acting on it, (F=mo.a) and the direction of the change in momentum takes place in the direction of the net force. (NOT MORE TRUE WITH ANTI-GRAVITY, as when we are dealing with GRAVITY, as ANTI-GRAVITY opposes to GRAVITY FORCE, not necessarily in the same line for both - see many examples I already discussed/presented).



If mass of an object in question is known to be constant and using the definition of acceleration, this differential equation can be rewritten as:



where a is the acceleration.

Using only SI Units for the definition of Newton, the constant of proportionality is unity (1). Hence:



However, it has been a common convention to describe law two of Newton in the mathematical formula F = ma where F is Force, a is acceleration and m is mass. This is actually a combination of laws two and three of Newton expressed in a very useful form. This formula in this form did not even begin to be used until the 18th century, after Newton's death, but it is implicit in his laws.

Newton's third law: law of reciprocal actions

All forces occur in pairs, and these two forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.

I suggested that ANTI-GRAVITY forces are related to the reaction against all mass of Supreme Universe, not being related to some specific object, as a star or "black hole". Thus trying to reach very great (huge) velocities the whole Universe will provides a force opposing any INCREASE or DECREASE of ENERGY (or VELOCITY and/or ITS DIRECTION), and as result, such force also will take place acting over all mass of SUPREME UNIVERSE. Should it be "immediate" action (transmission of information and action on both sides?).



The third law follows mathematically from the law of conservation of momentum.

SAVELLI (savelli_curitiba@hotmail.com)

This is the continuation of translation started in material Posted: July 1st, 2:45 AM

IT WAS POSSIBLE TO LINK "SPACE x TIME" FOR TWO CIVILIZATIONS IN USA: it appeared the "gap" in time was about 156 years "distant" from nowadays time in Saint Louis (USA town).

CELEBRATING 100 YEARS OF THEORY OF RELATIVITY(! / ???)

The material is available in Portuguese(Brazilian) language in some Brazilian sites and groups, and the last message was posted ones were this posted material:

http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/fotossud/message/3233 (and also .../3231)
Date of posting: Data: Sunday June 25th, 2006 1:01 pm

Such MANAGER of such great and secret POWER PLANT " (the subject of the patent of invention FUSOGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO, deposited in March 1982 in Brazilian Patent Office) was the man who knew and had the powers on how to control gravitation (or it "opposite", the anti-gravity).... ALREADY TRANSLATED.
... But the fence remained with the "hole". (END OF SUCH TRANSLATION).

THE NEXT PART EXPLAINS HOW WE COULD FIND A "LINK", IN TIME AND SPACE, OF SUCH "MANAGER" BEING IN SAINT LOUIS, USA, some 156 YEARS AGO.

TO BE TRANSLATED... (such USA CONNECTION with the POWER PLANT and TIME)


In fact I had already known the Mr. MANAGER, a powerful and wise man (in the dream=patent FUSOGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO).

When my wife and I decided to make a tour to visit 12 well spread towns of USA, we bought, in Brazil, a tour package to fly Republic Airlines. But the touristic company didn't understand well the rules of Republic Airlines, as changing the number of towns by the coupons of flight.

Thus when we arrived in MIAMI, at the desk of Republic Airlines, they notice the mistake of a missing coupon flight. The woman attendant herself suggested an easy solution, of including the town of SAINT LOUIS in our tour route, as we were going to visit NEW ORLEANS... Thus, even if we never had DESIRED or INTENDED to visit NEW ORLEANS, it was included in our trip. We saw no great touristic attraction to visit it besides the huge and tall metallic arc (like a rainbow) as if the symbol of joining the "past and the future" and traveling in like old steam boats of Mississippi river...

But I had a "bad feeling" when arriving and landing in SAINT LOUIS airport, because I recognized the hydrography (rivers pathway), from the air, as being something "familiar" to my memory. My wife told it could be "impossible" as we never had visited it and she laughed. We rented a car and when we arrived in the old neighborhood of SAINT LOUIS my feeling was that I was driving through a familiar streets. My wife again laughed of such "comment" as being impossible.

We went to visit the huge and tall metallic Arch (like a rainbow) of SAINT LOUIS, as if symbolically uniting the past and the future, as if a GATEWAY. From there we decided to travel with the touristic style old steam boats in Mississippi river (with that big paddle wheel in the rear part for propulsion).

But before we went to visit the old Catholic Cathedral of SAINT LOUIS, nearby the margin of Mississippi River, a quite small Chapel for nowadays standards. When I entered into such Cathedral, it was as if it was filled with flying wild wasps (bees) attacking me. Suddenly I was "roaring" and "loudly SCREAMING" of intense pain, for great shame and displeasure of my wife not knowing what took place. I had mad with my own past, of my own life (not from other lives or reincarnation) and I had past through such place and I recognized it as being of "my own self past". And I got "amazed" in joining two my past files, as if joining two Word files. It was very SCARING and PAINFUL. But the "information" was not related to RELIGIOUS background=faith (as Kardecism or Hinduism) or based in some specific religion and in any way we were following some primitive African Religion (Umbanda) which do not worry or believe about such type of "speculations".

When I "recovered" we decided to travel in the touristic steam ship, having such great PADDLE WHEEL for propulsion.

But I next had to have a "big problem" and I almost fell back. The SHIP COMMANDANT was exactly like a clone, duplicate, of the MANAGER of the POWER POINT in the dream of FUSOGINO DE HIDROGÊNIO. For sure was nothing Anglo Saxon, but more styled as LATIN person, as so many Brazilians. I obtained some pictures of him. And even his "voice" and "body posture" was like that of the MANAGER of the POWER PLANT in TUCURUI.

I then remembered of the DREAM, in which he transported us from where we were (in Saint Louis, probably around 1850, based on what I noticed, as in the technical details of steam ship, no electricity...) to the town of TUCURUÍ, departing from SAINT LOUIS, all by SHIP TRAVEL. None unboarding along the route. We and a great crowd, in the dream, boarded in such OLD SHIP (thus the MANAGER was the same CAPTAIN, but "living in two distinct time"...). He conducted us to TUCURUI (to modern days) departing from SAINT LOUIS harbor. The MANAGER "IS" along the "time"...

The CAPTAIN (= "MANAGER") was my friend and called me, in private, to visit his cabin where he showed me the MAP OF NAVIGATION. I had never seen something alike among mortal humans (I already had been technical director and share holder of a good sized Brazilian Technical Mapping company, providing technical maps of towns up to farms...). What was strange is that the MAP instead of being like "X" x "Y" (N x E), the map was "along time", as if "moving" in events from left to right: something "funny". He showed that "ahead of us" (in time) we were to cross a long land and it was named in English as "PROHIBITED LAND" and the CAPTAIN and everybody and I were talking in English. He explained that nobody can cross such LAND and remember of having crossed it, and knowing its details, but that I was to REMEMBER about it. He made comments that I was traveling to visit my new farm, in Tucurui (north of Brazil, state of Para) and he located such farm in such NAVIGATION MAP and told that such my FARM was sited at the BORDER LINE of "PROHIBITED LAND".

When the old steam ship, as used in 1850 in Saint Louis, arrived at the PROHIBITED LAND, all passengers were gathered into a spacious room and all doors and windows were closed, and it became very DARK. And the ship continued to travel softly, smoothly toward the TIME AHEAD. Then the CAPTAIN lighted his candle and the flame was reddish like (kryptonite?). And all of us received such light from captain's candle thus all of us were illuminated by the Captain to forget all our past and about the PROHIBITED LAND we were crossing (it is like "formating" a disk).

At the end we had crossed the PROHIBITED LAND, and we had arrived into the new world (I guess, the one for mortals... I guess) because it was open the doors and windows and we saw the light of the "new Sun", that flooded up. We had as if moved from the dark womb and being born to "light", under a new Sky. It was funny because now all things were in PORTUGUESE (BRAZILIAN) language and now the SHIP was VERY MODERN TRANSATLANTIC, shinning of new and in steel and diesel propulsion. We had born a "second time", not more knowing our past time, in the other Civilization and time. Thus, quite fast the MODERN SHIP traveled to TUCURUI harbor, where we arrived soon. And my people and workers were waiting for me. And then stated, some days later, the other "movie" of going to visit the new farm and going to visit the PROHIBITED LAND, at the border.

Maybe now you may have a better idea who is the MANAGER=CAPTAIN and what links SAINT LOUIS (circa 1850) to 1981 (to TUCURUI, Brazil) and PROHIBITED LAND. And the PROHIBITED LAND and the PROHIBITED POWER PLANT and the prohibited aspects of GRAVITY MANIPULATION (ANTI-GRAVITY) and of "time" scales, not being "one" in SUPREME UNIVERSE, but many possible: Relativity?

Best personal regards, sincerely yours,
CELSO SAVELLI GOMES

HOW COULD WE LINK DISTINCT "CIVILIZATION TIME REFERENTIAL"?

Continuing previous two messages, we could conclude I myself, a tangible mortal man had been twice in SAINT LOUIS, USA, one being some 156 years ago e the other, a painful remembering, in 1985.

WRONG! VERY WRONG! The event in 1985 was under a distinct TIME REFERENTIAL of 1850. I never boarded in any "physically tangible steam ship" in circa 1850. I was not born from a womb, yet in 1850, as from my mother...

In fact we can have distinct lives in time, with distinct life conditions. I had been born as a baby and then "our time" would means NOTHING. In fact I can´t remember of such time period.

We may reason time as the time going on inside a theater, were we are to take part in some event, as a novel by SHAKESPEARE and we are then living according the script, in a proper physical place and under a proper time schedule of the events. We may do some mistakes and even others may run away out of scene before time, THE LOCAL "THEATER TIME". Other people are seated and showing our presentation on stage. Usually we can't see them, as we are on a stage well illuminated and they are in background, almost in darkness. Sometimes a semi-transparent curtain separate us. When that "time events, under local time, is over, we depart from theater and them see see the "real world" and we notice the "real time".

Should we have just one TIME REFERENTIAL (as linked to the same speed of light, in vacuum?

And what about if we disclose another Civilization, "parked quite nearby"? Where the speed of light is not "constant", but "changing" with their "time", measured with their own time referential? You are to declare you know such Civilization...

SAVELLI

IS IT CORRECT THE RELATIVISTIC UNDERSTANDING/APPROACH ABOUT "TIME"?

Things that are "fruit" of one Civilization, are impossible to be re-evaluated if we do not examine them from other viewpoint, if possible com other Civilization or at least changing the Civilization values and believes that "slaves" one concept/idea. Quite like the idea that Earth was a "flat disc" and that there were like an abyss at the border, preventing any direct navigation to unknown lands or distant ones through new routes. Thus a silly idea, without scientific or theological foundations, made us slave of old trade routes to the Orient and their business monopolies.

Should "time" be measured and understood as the same thing for our people and along all Civilizations we had on Earth? In fact we notice several procedures humans mortals used to measure "time", as in calendars, were quite similar in concept, as being based on a "day period" (some 24 hours). Thus TIME was quite like the synonymous of the period of days between two events separated by TIME. Later on it was introduced the idea of minutes and seconds, and even more to the very small fractions of TIME. And also even much more than the day, as being introduced the week, the month, the year, the millennium, million years, billion years, etc. In fact humans are stuck with the TIME SPAN of some billion years, as if had reached the FLAT DISC BOUNDARIES, having the abyss after it... It is interesting the differences we had in the American Calendar (as from the Mayas) and in Europe (Catholic's calendars) and in Middle East (from Hebrews or Jews; and from Arabs or Islamic) are quite "minor", cosmetic in fact. TIME being a concept based on "passing TIME" (???) and that can be computed from events we know when they took place, based on our CALENDARS. Thus we had the analogical and digital WATCHES/TIMERS, even of huge precision, used to measure an INTERVAL OF TIME based on some STANDARD for TIME, as the time of one revolution of Earth or some number of full cycles of a standard light in some excited condition to generate some standard frequency of light emission.

In fact we are not WORRIED ABOUT "TIME ITSELF", but in the way of evaluate it, in a "blind way", using some type of calendar, even the most modern ones. For sure we got the idea what event was earlier than others, as based on such measurements. Than it can EINSTEIN's relativity, and TIME was "slaved" to something which is ruled by the "time", creating a PERVERSION. As if the LORD becoming the SERVANT and the SERVANT becoming the supreme LORD... Maybe the TIME itself is just something like the ENTROPY, but now applied to all energies and their nobleness, in a given Universe, and thus may be distinct in others. As depending on the way it is measured such degree of nobleness of whole energy.

A broader discussion about time, based in OUR OWN CIVILIZATION VIEWPOINTS, is presented in http://www.geocities.com/mariahelena1937/time.htm and for sure it has some "religious like reasoning", and more sensitive persons should avoid it. In any way the problems with "TIME" and its "MEASUREMENT" and CONCEPT is clearly originated from RELIGIONS. Thus even SCIENTISTS, not biased one, should go to the ORIGIN OF THE PROBLEM... By contact with such "parallel civilization people" I got aware their use a TIME REFERENTIAL (CALENDAR) which is in nothing based in the TIME REFERENTIAL Physic scientists use on Earth to make their experiments. For sure you are to discover some your "truths" are not so "true" when you change the REFERENTIAL and CIVILIZATION CONCEPTS about many things, as on GRAVITATION and TIME and ANTI-GRAVITY... Maybe you can expect in their intervention (ARIEL is PARKED close...) to use physical concepts and suddenly remove mortal humanity control over electricity and magnetism, making our civilization inoperative... defenseless...

Imagine the PARALLEL CIVILIZATION is ruled by a very might person as Wise MANAGER ENDLESS POWERS of a SUPREME PROXY person, thus ruling on time according his own referential. In fact is just a SERVANT and there is a SUPREME TIME and also there is a SUPREME UNIVERSE (CREATION). Forget about, for a moment, some silly theological concepts (conflicting... from Wises of Zion?) of what should be "God" or "Gods" or other names: for making things easier...

Imagine people from PARALLEL CIVILIZATION have a true INFINITE TIME LIFE, thus the numbers of our CALENDAR are not CONVENIENT for them evaluate the "situation" that prevail in the LOCAL CREATION. Thus they CREATE (USE...) a more convenient TIME SCALE, which is ABSURD for our purposes of knowing when some event took place or will take place... (calendar) or to measure any movements, including to measure the speed of light.

Their CALENDAR is not our CALENDAR, as they are IMMORTAL BEINGS. They use a LOGARITHMIC (or EXPONENTIAL) SCALE FOR THEIR CALENDAR, being something like "our mortality time, in YEARS" = 1,000 X 10 ^(Proxy's time, in his calendar based on his own "day", which has nothing to do with our "day": language was corrupted, you may guess, expressing distinct concepts with same word, thus one meaning became wrong... the same with the concept of "God" x Allah x Jehovah).

Thus we can create another CALENDAR and TIME MEASUREMENT for such other PARALLEL CIVILIZATION, based on their Proxy's LORD COMMANDANT, and such relationship with our MORTALITY CALENDAR (Christian alike) is shown in this following drawing (for sure, somethings were omitted to make it clearer...). If you can dare, get amazed with (relax: it is not specific of any religion on Earth):
http://www.geocities.com/o_savelli/TIMExTIMEgraph.htm

If you want to see a very simplified GRAPH on PARALLEL TIME x OUR TIME, you can see below graphic. What would be the VELOCITY OF LIGHT in such PARALLEL CIVILIZATION? Should it be "constant"? For sure not! But in any way I saw that light spread in that domain, as on Earth: same way... In fact the manager of all, the great SUPREME PROXY, organized the way light travels and spread in his domain. It is not possible to have two managers ruling the same people same way.

You can see LORENZ studies are FALSE from the very bottom,as they assume that light velocity is measured the same way all over the Universe, being linear their relationship, as if plotted in a straight line in X x Y graph.

Thomas wrote:
(1) x-ct=0
(2) x'-ct'=0
where c is the speed of light (which obviously has to be a constant >0)

In the same way, the propagation of a signal in the opposite direction yields
(3) x+ct=0
(4) x'+ct'=0

From equations (1)-(4), the Lorentz transformation is then derived by some algebraic manipulations.
3] Equation 3 and 4 are no longer referring specifically to the light pulses, they are referring instead to a general point in space time.

Since the path of the light pulse refers to many points in space-time, then yes, those points will hold true in those equations as well. He points this out by saying:
"Those space-time points (events) which satisfy [x - ct = 0, equation 1] must also satisfy [x' - ct' = 0, equation 2]. Obviously this will be the case when the relation [ (x' - ct') = Lambda*(x - ct), equation 3] is fulfilled IN GENERAL, where [Lambda] indicates a constant..."

4] By doing this he is simply saying that the coordinates in the new frame can be written as a [B]linear combination of coordinates in the old frame. [/B]

WHAT ABOUT WHEN time is not longer subject to LINEAR measurement? That Proxy's PARALLEL CIVILIZATION use the POWER of the time? And notice we are bound to TWO DISTINCT TIME REFERENTIAL and our mortality (transitory) time some day will end, but we will remain always BOUND to the true TIME REFERENTIAL (since our first born), at least while under the domains of our Proxy's lord who organized light and light speed and his first day in his calendar...

http://www.geocities.com/celsosavelligomes...xtime_graph.jpg (click on previous url to see next drawing enlarged; you may will need to click further on the right down corner to get it enlarged)




A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. ~Max Planck

REVISION OF PREVIOUS MESSAGE:

A nice opportunity to warn so fragile are Earth civilizations and so insane is USA hopes, as shown in July 4th Celebration movies "INDEPENDENCE DAY". TIME moves AHEAD and don't STOP, even when measured in the SUPREME TIME "scale" (a "circle").

As it was possible to revise in other forum and groups:

For sure you are to discover some your "truths" are not so "true" when you change the REFERENTIAL and CIVILIZATION CONCEPTS about many things, as on GRAVITATION and TIME and ANTI-GRAVITY... Maybe you can expect in their intervention (ARIEL is PARKED close...) to use physical concepts and suddenly remove mortal humanity control over electricity and magnetism, making our civilization inoperative... defenseless... Not like in July 4th of movies Independence Day, unless you use diesel engines in airplanes/rockets... or steam boats again... When Parallel Universe match our it is like "raising the curtains" YOU see, on stage (with YOU, also on stage), them (a full army) now tangible... People that are not "good", being like an evil weed, is to destroy themselves, as result of " combined FIELDS action", as if a becoming their skins the limits of an intense microwave oven acting and heating and making them into sterile ashes", without need of "physical fires". Thus suddenly a Pentagon or White House or Congress/Senate, for example, will become empty: of evil/iniquitous persons not alike King David when died. The righteous has none reason to "fear" but those in mortality are not to be raised and become "free of GRAVITY"... Just a "cropping"... See poetry (4th part) on ARIEL ("PARKED NEARBY...) above shown

"Imagine" the PARALLEL CIVILIZATION is ruled by a very mighty person as Wise MANAGER ENDLESS POWERS of a SUPREME PROXY person, thus ruling on time according his own referential. In fact is just a SERVANT and there is a SUPREME TIME and also there is a SUPREME UNIVERSE (CREATION).

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Their CALENDAR is not our CALENDAR, as they are IMMORTAL BEINGS. They use a LOGARITHMIC (or EXPONENTIAL) SCALE FOR THEIR CALENDAR, being something like "our mortality time, in YEARS" = 1,000 X 10 ^(Proxy's time, in his calendar based on his own "DAY", which has nothing to do with our "day": language was corrupted, you may guess, expressing distinct concepts with same word ("DAY", a period of 2 distinct time intervals), thus one meaning became wrong... the same with the concept of "God" x Allah x Jehovah: a cultural difference + other things, as handling by men's interests).

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WHAT ABOUT WHEN time is not longer subject to LINEAR measurement? That Proxy's PARALLEL CIVILIZATION use the POWER of the OUR time, thus above equations are no longer LINEAR for US using THEIR TIME scale... And notice we are bound to TWO DISTINCT TIME REFERENTIAL and our mortality (transitory) time some day will end, but we will remain always BOUND to the true (THEIRs) TIME REFERENTIAL (it is ours since our FIRST born, not the one in mortality...), at least while under the domains of our Proxy's lord who organized light and light speed and "HIS FIRST DAY" day in "HIS" calendar... which is bound to the SUPREME TIME and the corresponding calendar/symbolism of "alpha" to "omega" which turns becomes "alpha", in an infinite CIRCLE. Does such CIRCLE is expanding? exploding?

REVISION OF PREVIOUS REVISION: I missed this paragraph

In any way the problems with "TIME" and its "MEASUREMENT" and CONCEPT is clearly originated from RELIGIONS. Thus even SCIENTISTS, not biased one, should go to the ORIGIN OF THE PROBLEM... As result of a quite painful contact with one person of such "parallel civilization", in middle 1991, I got several "clues" about how to convert our time into his own TIME REFERENTIAL (he did not provide his CALENDAR: it took many years of my reasoning about that clues to understand them, some comparing with Koran Book informations, Bible and B.of Abraham, as nothing is provided "ready", finished, without think) which is in nothing based in the TIME REFERENTIAL Physic scientists use on Earth to make their experiments.
SAVELLI

HUMANS HAVE USED DISTINCT TYPES OF "TIME": OUR mortality time and "endless eternal time" for Proxy's PARALLEL CIVILIZATION...

After being of African primitive Religion popular in Brazil (UMBANDA), I turned to Islam and I followed the religious gathering on Friday (with Muslim people, at the Mosque, where I became friend of them; my sister is married a Muslim who is British and they live in London; we do not waste time in silly endless discussions) following Ramadans. I had chance to learn a lot about ISLAM that I learned from persons of Lebanon. It is interesting some aspects about Muslims: they originated from KORAN BOOK and some traditions,: they are related to the concept of TIME. And it is clear the prophet Muhammad was not reporting in relation to the TIME concept between MORTAL HUMANS, but expressing concepts of TIME related to OTHER CIVILIZATION, which is from a PARALLEL WORLD CIVILIZATION. It appears normal and learned people don't notice it.

One example is quite clear on that. From a TOUR GUIDE toward Muslim nations:
http://travelguides.lastminute.com/sisp/in...&event_id=39018

LASTMINUTE.com is from United Arab Emirates and is about a KORAN revelation:

Laylat-al-Qadr - the Night of Power

On the night to the 27th of the fasting month of Ramadan the Prophet Muhammad is said to have received from the angel Gabriel the first of the many revelations that made up the KORAN (= Q'uran); Muslims throughout the world venerate this day as the holiest night of the year, the Night of Power and Revelation.

Also known as the Night of God's Decree, Laylat Al Qadr is described in the Koran as a night ?which is better than ("WORTH") a thousand months, in which the angels descend to earth with God, the Almighty's permission. Peaceful the night is until dawn.? (Sura 97 =CHAPTER 97)

The greatest night of the Muslim year, this is the sanctified night when the angel visited the Prophet for the first time, the first lines of the KORAN were dictated and the history of Islam began.

YOU CAN SEE IT WAS MIXED two distinct concepts of TIME, "nigh - Lord's time" and "night - mortality time", the same thing as in BIBLE between "day = 24 hs period in Lord's time" and "day as a period of mortality = 24 hours". In fact the concepts of TIME between Judaism, Christianity and Islam have differences...

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Let us examine the above information (Chapter 97 of Koran Book): 1 "night" = 1,000 MOON MONTHS (Arabs calendar...) = their year is 355 or 356 our year and they use 12 months, each of 355.5/12=29.63 days (average moon period). JUDAISM calendar is similar, but correct year to 1 year, but the common year is like the Arabian: 353 or 354 or 355 days (moon calendar) but the embolismic year is 383 or 384 or 385 days...

Thus Koran 1,000 months are worth 29.63 days = 29,630 days or 81.12 our years. Thus we have:

1 "night" (from Parallel Word, Proxy's Lord) = 0.5 "whole day" = 81.12 our years .

Also the 1 "whole day Proxy's Lord Day" = "1,000 ours years of mortality" 2 Pet. 3: 8 (that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day).

We can see that
0.5 Lord's Proxy day = 81.12 years
1.0 Lord's Proxy day = 1,000 years

We can see the relationship is EXPONENTIAL, nothing LINEAR, or we would have:
2 x 0.5 Lord's Proxy day = 1.0 Lord's Proxy day = 2 x 81.12 = 162.24 years

Based on some "clues" provided in middle 1991, under some "hard" conditions, after so many years I concluded the relationship was "exponential like", with:
"mortality time, in our YEARS" = 1,000 x 10^(Lord's PROXY "DAYS" -2), as I introduced in the graph
and thus it is equivalent to "mortality time in years" = 10^(Lord's DAYs+1) or
log (mortality time in years) = LORD's DAYS + 1

Using logarithms on the above pair for K x LORD's DAYS + !
log 81.12 = 1.909 = K x 0.5 + 1
log 1000 = 3.000 = K x 1.0 + 1
subtracting one to the other: 1.091 = 0.5 x K x Lord Day K=2.182 and thus:

"mortality time in years" = 10^(2.182 x Lord's DAYS +1) showing it be even more exponential. But in fact the last term, "1", can be arranged. Thus I concluded the coordinates system were not placed on the positions, as it was not stated that such relationship (in KORAN) was for ever or specific to some conditions. With other clues, it was concluded the relationship was something alike:

"MORTALITY TIME, in years" = 10^(Lord's DAYS period of time + 1 DAY)

Also there are other informations, direct or indirect, or evidences on such type of not linear relationship (considering some margin of ignorance of false prophets of Scriptures and/or further changes made in copies and in their "revisions" and translations).

In the Book of Abraham, which is also mentioned in KORAN BOOK (Muhammad's revelations), it is clear the relationship above (1 day = 1,000 years) in Book of Abraham 3: 4 (and in it the parallel Universe is named, tittled): "one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob".

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/abr/fac_2


Fig. 1. Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh.

http://www.answers.com/cubit

An ancient unit of linear measure, originally equal to the length of the forearm from the tip of the middle finger to the elbow, or about 17 to 22 inches (43 to 56 centimeters).
THIS MEANS that it is being used "DAYS of CELESTIAL TIME" powered by a value that was worth to some old linear measure (that would represent a NUMBER. a VALUE...): "ONE DAY TO A CUBIT".

History of the different cubits
The Egyptian royal cubit and The Sumerian Nippur Cubit
The Egyptian royal cubit: It has been securely established from multiple cross referenced sources and surviving architectural evidence that a standard measure was employed as early as c. 2750 BC (Dynasty III) at Saqqara (J.P.Lauer). From the evidence this is widely accepted to have been 523.5 to 524 mm (20.61 to 20.63 in) in length, and was subdivided into 7 palms of 4 digits, giving a 28 part measure in total. This unit was used virtually unchanged for 3000 years, although some variations were seen.

http://www.geocities.com/celsosavelligomes...xtime_graph.jpg NOTICE THAT I AM USING THE "PRESENT" provisory mortality time as nearby 6,000 years (2,000 after Christ + 4,000 before Christ) and the Jews are using 5766 (close to 6,000?).



SAVELLI

SAVELLI

LET US START REASONING IN THE ETERNAL AND UNIVERSAL SCALE (CALENDAR) WHICH IS NOT BOUND TO OUR MORTALITY TIME (CALENDARS)

It was some time that I was dealing with such subject of TIME, which is quite COMPLEX for our usual way of reasoning about mortality time. Thus I had to examine old sites on such subject, that in fact started in 1981 with the patent of invention FUSOGINO DE HIDROGENIO. But many aspects were missing, and I got "clues" on what would be required to make such relationships TIME x time, but the "clues" appeared me too complex to be reasoned into something useful, and the relationships I reached were not practical and useful. Then I understood that it was not possible to make something FINITE be included into something INFINITE, thus our FINITE TIME (had a start, will have an end) could not be a "portion" of RUNNING ENDLESS TIME/LINE, which is like an ENDLESS CIRCLE. I provided plenty literature on that in some USA sites (in English) and Spanish/Brazilian groups as:

http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/fotossud/messages with messages as:


http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/fotossud/message/2952 this is "too advanced" for many understanding: the existence of distinct TIME REFERENTIAL as if 3-d or n-d spaces (something impossible to reason under into the PRISON of RELATIVITY)...

MESSAGES: 2951, 2559, 2363, 2316, 2314, 2313, 2295, 2294, 2283, 2276, 2274...

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LET ME CORRECT THE GRAPH TIME x time (ABSOLUTE TIME x mortality time) relationship curve (straight line, in first approach), that was provided earlier:

http://www.geocities.com/celsosavelligomes...xtime_graph.jpg (click on previous URL and see figure enlarged, if required click on right down corner)



You should notice how it was past from a true continuous infinite TIME (coming from infinite past and going to infinite future), in the INCLINED LINE, from right top side to left bottom side. We are living into such LINE (in other papers/site it is shown in fact it is a "curved line", being "closed" as a circle). We are living into such ETERNAL TIME, bound to the SUPREME TIME (as it was shown in some sites) of the SUPREME UNIVERSE (CREATION). You should see that the VERTICAL AXIS is also with the same values that are attached to the INCLINED LINE, as I wanted to make the relationship the "guy" provided me in 1991, as "clues". The graph is quite in the reversed way, but such was the way the "clues" were provided.... In fact normal people would reverse the scales from top to bottom and from right to left, and adjust the equation accordingly. I wanted to keep the way I learned it.

You can see that I could have used any values on vertical and horizontal axis, as we are bound to nothing. In any way the "zero" was best adjusted to the data the guy provided: the zero was the one that provided a simple equation. I could have moved to other origins and adjust the equation accordingly.

SEE WHERE IT IS OUR "USUAL TIME, as used in PHYSICS and RELATIVITY", as to compute the SPEED OF LIGHT: it is in the left side of vertical axis and under the limit of t=0 to t=-5 in the horizontal axis. I don't know why they use negative values toward the future, exactly the opposite we do. Just some preference...(?). Thus it is only for such "field" is that we have a true relationship between our "normal time, as used by physics by mortal people" and the "absolute TIME, as used for such Mighty Proxy's people" of the Parallel Civilization (I have some other sites, quite symbolic, on such thing, as based on Book of Abraham). BUT we can "stretch" the MORTALITY TIME, for knowing FUTURE or PAST EVENTS, as WORTH MORTALITY TIME, going to both INFINITE SIDES.

For HORIZONTAL AXIS of TIME (and time) from t=0 to t=-7 (moving to left), we have that our MORTALITY TIME IS GIVEN (as a LAW, an imposed rule):

MORTALITY TIME /1000 = ABSOLUTE PROXY'S TIME (in DAYS) worth our "time".
For Jews it is easy: 5766/1000=5.766 days from ORIGIN (which arbitrarily I adopted as T=4.00 Proxy's Days). Thus the Jews are living in the ABSOLUTE TIME REFERENTIAL of 3.00 (Proxy's Day, at start of mortality) - 5.766 = - 2.766 Proxy's Day (I guess Rabbi are not aware of such ALTERNATIVE "TIME"), because it is linear the relationship 1 = 1,000 from Day (Eternal) to years (ours). For our "Christian Civilization calendar" the result is somewhat -3.00 Absolute Days imposed for measuring mortality period of time (see graph).

You can see the VERTICAL AXIS, T (for ABSOLUTE TIME) at T=10 is the FRONTIER of one TIME, one STEP, or "SEVEN ABSOLUTE DAYS", and the equation is then:

WORTH mortality time (in years) = 6,000 (from t=-3.00 to t=+3,00 which is the start of mortality) + 1,000 x 10^(absolute T Proxy's Time=10 Days - 3) = 10 billions years. It should be the START OF ORGANIZATION OF THIS LOCAL UNIVERSE and in it is to be found distances up to some 20 billions years. What is beyond that is to belong to other UNIVERSES, as you can see on top right side of the INCLINED LINE for ABSOLUTE ETERNAL TIME.

WARNING! We are not to discuss if the existence of ADAM and EVE was true or if something mythological, as a way to explain complex things by simple stories, as we do to little learned children and kids. Even creating the idea that some "bird" would be the origin of our life and bringing us, babies, to our fathers... I guess (personally) we (humanity) is originated from outer-of-space other Civilization. That is implicit in so many accounts of our origin on Earth... We are like aliens...

As EVE was the last thing (creature) organized before the resting day (goes from T=4.00 Day to T=3.00 Day), she should be created at T=4.00001 Day, being the Crowning of the Organization. Thus she was organized, according a WORTH mortality time = 6,000 years (mortality is past after T=3.00 Day) + 1,000x 10^(4.0001-3) = 6,000 + 10,001=16,001 mortality WORTH years ago.

Thus ADAM probably was the first thing (creature) created in such Day=4 to 5, and as "sun light" rises in 4.5 (symbolically, as night comes before day, in each day, in Jewish calendar), =6,000years + 1,000 x 10^(4.5 - 1) = 37,623 mortality WORTH years ago.

Thus they lived together 37,623 - 16,001 = 21,623 mortality WORTH years ago...

In fact, as I showed the LINE FOR MORTALITY TIME, can be lifted out of the plane of the GRAPH, and "another time, which is not the mortal", can be computed (it was very difficult for me understand that...) and in fact NONE MORTALITY TIME is computed even if MILLIONS YEARS being past, just requiring the removed (or translated, as if by a "translation of coordinates"...) is kept ALIVE, then you can have 3 or more referential for TIME, time, "time"... and past GEOLOGIC PERIODS and none "mortality time" is past... Quite CRAZY. But it is related to the "NOTION of what is TIME" and "ETERNITY" (where ABSOLUTE TIME moves ahead... "not slaved to the speed of light"...)

In other messages we could experience, in such ABSOLUTE TIME REFERENTIAL, to compute the SPEED OF THE LIGHT, and we can see that it is possible they SMILE of our idea that such SPEED is "constant", in their referential and Civilization.

SAVELLI

BEANN LADDEN "TERRORIST" INTRUDES IN PARADISE WITH "SPEED OF LIGHT" EXPERIMENTS...

It is supposed ADAM and EVEN, maybe only literary creatures (beings) according some critics (unbelievers, for telling some "tales"), were living a joyful life in Paradise Land, maybe having hugely pleasureful intimate relationship (?!? As in movies BARBARELLA, with Roger Vadin and Jane Fonda, as "Queen of the Galaxy", using "hands") and besides that just staying playing harp and violin, and singing endless hymns, all day long, not working (ideal Paradise for many lazy religious...). Thus even the terroristic snakes class BEAN LADDEN decided to introduce some "TERRORISM" to help end so endless unbearable "musical duet". Thus the leader of TERRORIST LEADER, Mr. BEANN, came to them and suggested:

"-Why not to start in Heaven some measurements to provide data for some theory that will provide so many fruits in the future? RELATIVITY!!! Oh, you will see all is "relative". Including the rule you received is also very relative. It depends on the way it is evaluated and implemented. Nothing is "wrong" in eating from "ALL" the trees, as in Paradise all things are perfectly good and pleasureful, including your endless singing of hymns... You should do some good and useful practical work... What about starting Relativity even in Paradise? And also working as farmer, taking care of plants production and animals, instead of so much singing, as if cicadas during summer time? I can't support that any longer... And I am even so perfect."

"-What should I do, Mr terrorist BEANN? What is such RELATIVITY THEORY"?

"-Mr. ADAM. You can see that the PARADISE is a very huge land, contrary to what they will reason in future, as thinking it is a tiny garden. See this map, we, the LADDEN terrorist snakes, prepared. Paradise is thousands of kilometers, all surrounded by flowing waters, all the border around it. This is why we arrived by sailing on raft... In this long portion, you may install these devices to guide the light pathway, in so long distance and into several directions, while EVE can measure the interval of ABSOLUTE TIME required to travel through them. Thus you are to see the SPEED OF LIGHT is constant, in all directions, and you will believe that I only teach what is TRUE, the absolute TRUTH, as disclosing so nice "RELATIVE TRUTHS" and "RELATIVE TEACHINGS" for you believe and live..."

"-How great size would be the land of PARADISE for such experiment? Where?"

"-Oh, you will need to walk a little from this main part, going to so nice pastures of Paradise, in Arabian Peninsula, from Hiddekel River to Euphrates River margins and to Ghion.As as you are doing nothing, except singing as cicadas, this little walking exercise and work will very good for you".

http://www.geocities.com/sane_sav/ORIENTEmedioMAPAgeral.JPG compare with:


http://www.geocities.com/sane_sav/MAPAsate...IMITES_EDEN.JPG Adam's days


"-If you look in the down part of this broad map, surrounded by a thick purple border color, you can see you can use one long path of 2,700 km in one direction and 1,700km in the perpendicular direction. Nice distance for experiments of measuring time of travel of some light beam going and returning these distances. For sure you yet don't know about something called MORTALITY TIME, as you are bound only to ABSOLUTE TIME, living in Mighty Proxy's Days". I will give a clue...

http://elsavelli.vilabol.uol.com.br/MAP_GARDEN_EDEN_fig1.htm (CLICK to see it)

"-Mr. BEANN, all is assembled and ready to work. Let us go to RELATIVITY?".

"-OK! I will provide you a first guess, on velocities and you are to check it. You know you can trust perfectly on ALL my advises and guidances, even those on "RELATIVE" and on "RELATIVITY" for life actions, things and measurements. I am your SERVANT. I am Mr. BEANN LADDEN".

From 1st second of January of 2,006 of Christian Calendar (= Common Era http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/cal_art.html ?) we had 6006/1000=6.006 Proxy's Days "interval" as started in +3.00 Proxy's Day the mortality (any other value could be used, it is in a "circular pathway from alpha to omega=alpha" for Supreme TIME), we could have interval T=-6.006 (I don't know why, future is negative, maybe some convention) + 3.000 = TIME value is -6.006+3.000=-3.006 Proxy's Day (which is TIME value for 1st second of this mortal time year).

Lets put the mirrors, to makes measurements, in the space above you (using the anti-gravity, to not make corrections, as index of refraction of light) and with 300,000 km/s (it is only didactic, not true data...), for the distance 2,700 km (almost Jerusalem town to Salalah sea shoreline town in Oman Nation), we could had spent in going/return pathway 5,400 km/300,000=0.018000 seconds.

Thus time when the light return to source was: 2006 (our year) + 0.018sec/86400/365. In Proxy interval of TIME as "Days"= 6006/1000 + 0.018sec/86400/365/1000. Thus additional time (travel of light period) = 0.018sec/86400/365/1000 = 5.7077625 x 10^(-13) as Proxy's Day Interval and assuming our subdivision of "mortal time" also being valid for "ABSOLUTE TIME", we can have 5.7077625 x 10^(-13) x 24 x 60 x 60 = 4.9315068 x 10^-08 SEC of ABSOLUTE TIME.

Thus speed velocity being 5400km/4.9315068 x 10^-08 SEC = 1.095 x 10^11 km/SEC(for ABSOLUTE TIME). This is evident because TIME VALUE has a smaller interval number to express a MORTALITY TIME VALUE expressed in much great number: 1 Proxy's Day = 1,000 mortality years = 365,000 greater!
l.095 x 10^11 / (1,000 x 365) =300,000 km/s(mortality time).

You can see ABSOLUTE TIME is bound to MORTALITY TIME in the LINEAR WAY, because it is imposed the rule for the INTERVAL "1 Proxy's Day interval = 1,000 mortality years interval", BY DEFINITION... Could we use like LORENTZ rule between ABSOLUTE TIME environment and our MORTALITY time environment, as to measure time intervals, as to measure the speed of the light?

Let us imagine ADAM and EVE had done the experiment before mortality, in time T=4.0001 Proxy's Day and they had assumed the SNAKE BEANN's data was good, that the speed of light had not changed "NUMERICALLY EXPRESSED IN TIME", as if in PRESENT WORTH which makes old things, expressed in some numbers, as becoming very small and small valued today (even 1,000,000 m3 of sold water, in 1950, may be WORTH ONLY some 65,073 m3 in today with interest rate=5%yr: but physically the OLD WATER didn't SHRINK...). The problem is that they remain reasoning as if in MORTALITY when they stretch into endless eternities... The ABSOLUTE DAYS intervals remain with same value along their DAYS, but they changed hugely when expressed into mortality time intervals WORTH them: that is the true RELATIVITY of TIME, or it would be like comparing todays 1 m3 of sold water as being the same value of 1 m3 of water sold in 1950, as being the "same thing". Even ABSOLUTE TIME is like "CURVED" in nature, not being so "straight", when evaluated in "long" TIME, turning into a "CIRCLE, maximum geodesic line"... Already presented in Groups...
SAVELLI

In fact my full writer name is CELSO SAVELLI GOMES. But I am known must as "SAVELLI"since a small kid...

I have several "pen-names" (a pseudonym used by a writer; also called "nom de plume"), as CELSOELY (celso + my wife ELY), SABellijah (I descend from SABELLI people that run away from slavery in Greece to settle Rome: includes the SABines and could mean SABaoth + ELI; Sabelli was a Christian theolog-priest of some 200 C.E. in Rome whose faith was typically Muslim...), ELIJAH, ELLIJAH, ALIJAH (I have a Muslim background life), AL_IJAH, ELYwife (my wife ELY), ALLIJAH, SAB_ELLI_JAH, elywyf, elycellist, celsosavelligomez, celsosavelli, etc. I have a lot of sites and messages sent do Muslim and Judaism people, including many to the local site of synagogue (Rabbi's) for long time... And writing some on cabala speculations (as on Tree of Life) ...

My e-mail is savelli_curitiba@hotmail.com in case you have a private doubt/comments.
With best personal regards, SAVELLI

WHAT ABOUT HAVE A BREAK ("PAUSE") FOR READING AND DIGESTING ALL THIS STUFF? SOME (MOST?) OF IT IS BETTER TO READ AS IF "FICTION LITERATURE, as JULIO VERNE's...).

My e-mail is savelli_curitiba@hotmail.com in case you have private doubts/comments.

With best personal regards, SAVELLI

I AM FAR AWAY FROM PHYSICS "RELATIVITY": I AM AT "CULTURAL" ONE

I AM AT:
http://groups.msn.com/MORMONWhatDoLatterDa...82&all_topics=0

IT IS LIKE A KINGDOM, ARIEL (poetry, 4th part), PROTRUDING TANGIBLY INTO OTHER ALSO TANGIBLE, AS TO IMPOSE A CULTURE, CULTURAL VALUES, BEHAVIOR, POLITICAL ORGANIZATION, PATRIOTISM, ETC.

savelli

THIS TOPIC is quite like continuing in other more specific and recent group:

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showforum=12

TRAJECTORY of PARTICLES, tangible or not, IN INTENSE GRAVITY + ANTI-GRAVITY FIELDS

SAVELLI

Here are we back, in SEPT.04Th, 2009.

In fact many aspects of the DREAM I had in 1981 have been shown to be very REAL, in so many aspects... That is quite DISTURBING for a M.Sc. person from U.Calif.Berkeley to explain in some or any reasonable SCIENTIFIC way... As if in fact what we think as being DREAM in fact was not "exactly" what we call as being "dream", or just dreaming. Maybe it is another way of "communication" some information, that at first, in direct contact would be cumbersome or even very difficult. As even to think about that we can handle gravity fields in the same way we handle the magnetic and electric fields, something that would be "impossible to reason about" just some centuries ago. BUT since then many things, related to the DREAM showed up to be REAL or very plausible.

One very interesting thing is that they made clear, during the DREAM, that it was not a usual dream. That I had entered in a PROHIBITED LAND, environment, of a much more advanced civilization. But even so my memories about such place and civilization would not be "erased" (as it is usual when we wake up...), but that I was to remember for ever as had been there, in such place, in such town, with such people, in contact with such civilization and their science and technology... That I was to return alive to my people and civilization, and "not fear about". And that for me not explain wrongly about "them", they introduced into a kind of SCHOOL (university center?), to have theoretical and PRACTICAL classes. Thus I concluded I was a very IGNORANT M.Sc. from Berkeley 1978 (I was in 1981...) and that what I had seen in Berkeley and Stanford was "Medieval science/technology", including in high energy physics... In later years I dreamed part of the "experiments" that were not possible to dream during 1981 series of dreams, as testing if the anti-gravity field would be compatible with Newtonian Physics or would create some violation... For sure the experiments were related to Physics, not HARRY Porter's witchery's. Even about if it would be possible to "walk on water surface": just an experiment.

For sure our concept of "time" is very misleading. This is why the Theory of Relativity is as ABSURD as the Theory of Caloric, with HEAT flowing from the COLDER temperature source toward the HOTTER temperature source. Absurd? And even so the CALORIC theory generated some reasonable results... and explained the existence of BLACK HOLES and distortion of SPACE x TIME as plenty used by the apologists of the Theory of Relativity and the BIG BANG... In fact it became clear that it was PLENTY of other SOLAR SYSTEMS with Planets turning around them and in condition for us going there inhabit, and it was suggested, in 1981, how to travel there with some PRIMITIVE technology, not more in use (as handling TIME you can go anywhere, not requiring TIME for TRAVELING...). And that there are PLENTY (infinite?!) other UNIVERSES (like our MODEST local UNIVERSE, which is not the only one, not the CENTER of the CREATION... what a MEDIEVAL MODERN IDEA... and it is not SPHERICAL and not EXPLODED in some BIG-BANG but was "ORGANIZED" by them) and that they came from some 35 TRILLION ("tri") WORTH YEARS LIGHT DISTANCE from our local modest universe of some 20 billions years worth max dimension (not sphere...).... BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... For making "ORGANIZATION" (that people call CREATION FROM OUT OF NOTHING) it is required to ORGANIZE, HANDLE (command) GRAVITY FIELDS, which include Newton’s FIELD (the only we know, it is quite like knowing only about and reasoning with ELECTRICITY FIELD...).

So many years ago, in 1999 (10 years!), I "feared very much" (I even fear about travel ling by airplanes...) and I had to pray to the ONE GOD, before generating a "map of Earth", from the "window?" of like a space-craft, over Arabian Peninsula, at some 30,000 km(?). But it was "sited" back some MILLIONS YEARS AGO... Earth was upside down. I had just ONE HOUR to make the "MAP" in EDEN's days: it was published/announced 3 days in local important newspaper, recognized in public notary and it is since available in WEB... A research about it was made, for some years, with USA scientists (not of religious sect) of Washington: available in WEB.

Very recently it was found, after some 28 years of search, "LOST TOWN of their CIVILIZATION" (it is what it appears... big granites stones well cut and artistic and with complex geometry, it is written in very Asiatic language, a message we can read...), not far from my farm: linked to the DREAM of 1981. Maybe it is LINKED to a "BASE", in North of Brazil. Maybe some 3,500 years old. But they are not linked to a people or civilization or place or even to "our" TIME of ILLUSION. That makes it ABSURD for our reasoning based on our "superiority". They can be tangible...

It is quite like for smart little children trying to understand from WHERE and HOW are ORIGINATED the LITTLE CHILDREN, that from time to time come to inhabit into their KINDERGARTEN. So great are the MYSTERIES to such SCIENTISTS... Should always had all LITTLE CHILDREN lived feeling the oppressive forces and effects of our GRAVITY? Does "spirits" face some "gravitational field"? Or some type of TIME?

What would be the EQUATION to describe the "other field" of gravity, which is not Newton's convention gravity? It is quite like an INERTIAL field, which resembles what we call "MATTER", providing "INERTIA". Maybe is "that" which allows you suffers the conventional Newton's gravitational attraction force... The first one may provide that we face REPULSION, instead of ATTRACTION, or ATTRACTION not in the line linking the interacting "MASS" by gravity. It is already published in JULY 2009
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My FARM, in NORTH OF BRAZIL, and place of the dreams in 1981 (including about the practical experiences with anti-gravity, in a scientific fashion, not Harry Potter's witchery), is sited in point "1", in this broad map.


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Nearby points "1, 2 and 3", at the end of Amazon River, is the place where very recently I found the “remains” of a very “advanced civilization”, from Asiatic Origin (I concluded that based on “characters” that are engraved/carved, cut deeply, on big granite blocks, that are well cut/sculptured in complex artistic shapes). From such “ideograms”, it is suggested a very advanced Asiatic civilization sailed “first to BRAZIL”, and then it spread toward “Pacific coast” of South America and then spread to Central Mesoamerica - originating the Aztec and Mayas - and then to Mexico Culture and civilizations in North America.

The suggestion is that is wrong nowadays believes that human civilization advanced through America in a direction that is opposite to the new evidences.


NEXT we can see, in "enlarged drawing", the “trade route” that evolved, in more recent times, to Peabiru, in a “short cut”, toward PERU and Aztecs/Mayas and MEXICO/North America.

Next you can see the “detail” of the broad migration route when it became the "Trade route" starting in ASIA, bordering south coasts of Asia, Arabian Peninsula and Africa, and then going to Brazil, crossing (SAILING) Atlantic Ocean.


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The "new trade route", shown above in details, started from directly the very south of South Africa (Cape Town...) toward South of Brazil (Rio de Janeiro, bay of Guanabara, to Florianopolis Island). And then continued with a land walking "Trade Route" known as "Peabiru" (=PEA=way to + BERU = PERU, land route way to PERU, from South Brazil coast). And from PERU walking to Pacific Coast and SAILING to Central Mesoamerica (Aztec, Mayans...) and to North America (MEXICO and Mexicans cultures...).

Recently, in an Indian settlement named GUARAPUAVA, it was found a Granite Statue, of some 35 cm tall (see picture below), that suggest the coming of a hybrid person from Asiatic + African origin, quite like President Obama: result of a Negro father and of an Asiatic mother or vice-verse. Hybridism is clearly visible in the statue originated from INDIANS settlement in Guarapuava. Thus other evidence of such Asiatic + African trade and "traveling" to BRAZIL and to Guarapuava and to PERU... And such statue provided some clues about what is represented in the statues of Easter Island

From local Indians of town Guarapuava, south of Brazil, in the TRADE ROUTE, by feet walking, from Atlantic Coast to PERU (INCA kingdom), it was recovered this "Indian statue" from Indian settlement. You can see the hair is typically like Obama's hair (very African type and style).

The religious position is typical of Egypt/Jews, Arabians, Ethiopians… The faces are of an Asiatic person (typical of Hindus-Malaysians, maybe some of Chinese...). It also resembles the statues of the inhabitants of Easter Island.

Thus the “Trade route” of ASIA toward AMERICA had also another BRANCH (besides the end of Amazon River and contact through Tucanos Indians of Amazon River/Basin with Colombia toward Andes Mountains and PACIFIC OCEAN). The alternative “trade route” developed a branch having one STEP in the South coast of Brazil and creating the Walking trade route Peabiru, and branching a route to CHILE/Easter Island... Thus having a trade from PERU toward the EASTER ISLAND. But such TRADE BRANCH ROUTE was not so “PROFITABLE” and technically/operationally more “risky” (less FEASIBLE). Thus the route PERU-CHILE-EASTER-ASIA was discontinued, and thus only remembrance/memories of it remained in STONES, in STATUES, in EASTER ISLAND, as if WISHING their return from local inhabitants... As if living memories of some “wild” inhabitants (islanders), in some Pacific Islands, desiring the return of war airplanes to land back again in the now empty airports: as reported after World War II…

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It is probable (based on very primitive Asiatic ideograms), just now discovered in North of Brazil, in huge well cut and complex shaped and artistic granites rocks, that it was clearly evidenced the “migration” from Asia-Arabia-Africa toward BRAZIL: it took place some 3,500 years ago, or even before that.

What was found, well cut (carved) over the vertical well polished surface of a granite rock, well cut (part of something like a "ironing table"...): an Asiatic Character, of some 20 cm Height, and 1 cm deep carved into granite. Very easy to "read". It is from the very early known/created characters in ASIA...

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First America Inhabitants originated from Babel's TOWER dispersion.

They arrived from "Asia up to Africa" gathered in coastal ships. They "Sailed" "first" to BRAZIL Coasts, before reaching any other point of any AMERICA(s).

And from BRAZIL civilization sites they spread toward MEXICO (North America) through Mesoamerica.

Recently discoveries of first arrivals sites with primitive ASIATIC hieroglyphs on big well cut complex granite stones explain origins of Mayans Asiatic "hieroglyphs".

Such migration, toward BRAZIL, has nothing to do with the Jareditic migration MIGRATION, which was VERY SPECIFIC toward the "PROMISED LAND", which is the BEST POSSIBLE LAND of NORTH CONTINENT. Thus it is only for the best lands of USA and CANADA, quite like around the GREAT LAKES (a very LIMITED GEOGRAPHY, which is also the LIMITED GEOGRAPHY of the BOOK OF MORMON).

Thus we had TWO MIGRATIONS,

ONE started from BRAZIL, or ANTI-Jaredites, starting from Babel's TOWER and going toward the "south" coasts of ASIA + ARABIAN PENINSULA + AFRICA and from there they SAILED TO BRAS IL (and kept such NAVIGATION as a "TRADE ROUTE" for long...)...

and OTHER started from the LAKE ONTARIO (ONT + A + R + IUM, "the place = IUM", "R = to mine", "A = I = female ONT=SILVER = ore of silver) the Colonization of Jaredites that started from Babel's TOWER going toward the "north" up to the Russian Asiatic coast and sailing to North America = Jaredites or the Nephites being like the Route for Brazil, but going STRAIGHT AHEAD in the point of turning to NORTH of BRAZIL, where the discovery of ASIATIC "Ideograms" was made

SEE FIRST THE GENERAL MAP, both for Jaredites (in the UPPER PART) and ANTI-Jaredites (because it is in the opposite, down-part...) going to BRAZIL, from ASIA.

And see the second MAP, very specific, showing the DETAIL of NAVIGATION, SAILING SHIPS (like GALLEONS) from the very south extremity of SOUTH AFRICA, toward SOUTH OF BRAZIL (Rio de Janeiro...) or NORTH OF BRAZIL (end of Amazon River, where the ASIATIC HIEROGLYPHS were found..., IDEOGRAMS like ancient Chinese, easy to read...).

Thus we had TWO TYPES of COLONIZATION (civilization) in AMERICAN CONTINENT.

Both the Jaredites and Nephites were DEFEATED by the "BRAZILIAN originated" CIVILIZATION "colonization".... Because the Upward movement of "Brazilian" (anti-Jaredite) caused the CORRUPTION of the Nephite civilization and its decay in MORAL and in RELIGION and Nephite civilization quite like had the fate of Jaredites: was defeated by ITSELF. And it was "absorbed, slaved" by the Brazilians civilization, thus by ASIATIC-AFRICAN-ARABIAN culture-civilization "mixture" that arrived in Brazil, "thousands years" before.

Other and Final View of the Local Indians statue, found in Guarapuava town (in the trade route, by walking, from Atlantic Ocean to Inca's Peru civilization) in comparison with the Easter Island statue "Mohai": the "hat = head cover" is a memory that such People came from very hot place, as Equator Line (or Hot tropical places...), as Africa and Arabian Peninsula and Asia (as Hindus wear such "head protection"), as it is clear even with Mahatma Ghandi's "protection of head and symbol of geographic/cultural/religious origin" when he was working as lawyer in South Africa, as shown in end of Century XIX... Also Obama (President) is shown wearing such CEREMONIAL and typical "Turban = HAT" of his PEOPLE, because that is REQUIRED because of the HOT CLIMATE in QUEENIE, "AFRICA", by his CULTURE=PEOPLE=CIVILIZATION of Somali's. That does not make sense in Washington...

The same is true with TURBANS ("hats") by Easter's INHABITANTS, the MOHAIS, IN their STATUES, unless it is to REMEMBER they came from VERY HOT PLACES, and their eye remember they are from ASIATIC PEOPLE (like CHINESE/JAPANESE...) but their big head and mainly big NOSE is remembering the AFRICAN influence.... Thus it is possible AFRICANS came together with ASIATICS and "ARABS/ETHIOPIAN" to Brazilian Coasts (maybe nearby SAN PAULO-SANTOS) and crossed the walking route Peabiru and reached PACIFIC COAST and reached EASTER ISLAND and (like in modern jet planes...) traveled all the way, crossing Pacific, and reaching Islands of Pacific and thus reaching Japan and China... back home, and Africans returning coasting Asia and Arabian Peninsula back to their Africa. A very ROUND-TRIP...

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See the "Turban" of a typical African person: the USA President Barack Obama. He is wearing like in the statue of Easter Island... He is denouncing his "ultimate origin", in "silence", as do the stone statue of Easter Island... The mute Brazil TRADE CONNECTION!

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If you are taking drugs you should stop.

If you aren't taking drugs, you should start.

See a psychiatrist.

Well, it is very encouraging the suggestions from Mr. RobDeGraves...
It is not said about what type of "drugs". I studied in Berkeley, in 1978, and it was the first time I saw people using "heavy drugs", even in day time. I guess it was the reason for the rise of AIDS epidemics in San Francisco Bay Area, quite soon after that, as they were injecting them and sharing the syringes...

In any way it is quite "strange" when you dream about some hidden civilization town and after some long search you finally "find" evidences that some civilization in fact lived where the "dream" pointed they were living (or lived? or will live? That "time events" are not so real, as we think..., because there is also the "relativity of time" itself, besides the "theory of relativity").

Thus, after 28 years of searching, just last July I discovered (with help of my wife) the location of a very Asiatic ancient civilization in Brazil (Americas...) quite very nearby my cattle farm, in the North part of Brazil. It is yet surrounded by a dense forest, the Amazon Forest, reason for why nobody had seen/found it before... In fact nobody could had discovered it, as it was buried in the forest... But "I KNEW ABOUT THEM and it" (had visited it in dreams)... Maybe it sounds like CRAZY, or not "conventional", or at least NOT SCIENTIFIC... As walking through a forest and starting to dig into some "exact point" and knowing that you are to find a very well cut and difficult to generate "statue" of granite of some thousands years dead civilization... And knowing it had "special value" for them, as if one "oracle stone"... It is NON-SENSE... Should I smoke "medicinal marijuana"?

I "feared very much" to enter in the experience of making the "Map of Earth", from outer space, from million years ago... I hoped to gave up in going ahead... And then the "shame" of publishing it as news, about such experience in 1999, as paid bid "ad" news, during 3 days, in the most expensive and read local newspaper (of an important metropolitan town...). Some persons (like you...) made questions about the "meaning of it" and counseled that maybe I should take drugs or start stopping taking them... Thus nothing changed... Mortal humans remain the same, in their "essence of reasoning". Congratulations! You are behaving as "normal human".

About such "lost civilization", that probably is very before Christ (maybe thousand or thousands years before... based on ASIATIC ideograms carved on granite stones), see just this "special granite well cut stone", that appears to have been "special", and the "first one that I dug", in the middle of the forest in the FIRST attempt...

It is similar to an 'ironing table' in tilted position with dimensions - is already back filled. You can see, just to remain you, what is the modern "ironing table" and its similarity with the STONE AGE granite stone, well cut stone from ancient civilization...

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NOTICE the main dimensions in CENTIMETERS. As the density of the granite is 2.89 you can guess the weight of such "special shaped rock" is of some ONE TON.

The shape is so COMPLEX, that it is like having a BIG modern SHIP and making a VERTICAL cross section through the longitudinal symmetry axis, and using just the LEFT side, and then making another vertical transversely cross section at the rear. Such is the COMPLEX SHAPE of such "granite rock", very well cut. It would require very moder stainless steel tools and even diamond cutting saws and drills.

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Above you can see, in FOREGROUND, the vertical longitudinal symmetry axis, and then in the background you can see the longitudinal border of the ship and its curve border toward the frontal tip of the ship. And in the left side would be the motors and the propeller providing propulsion of the ship: there, in such vertical cross section are two HIEROGLYPHS or CHARACTERS or IDEOGRAMS, from extremely ancient ASIATIC LANGUAGE (you may guess it is like so PRIMITIVE CHINESE). Let see it (there are better pictures, easy to read).

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How could we have such so intelligent people reasoning with me, "alive", and very intelligently, in my "dreams", allowing their position could be revealed in the dreams?

You are insane.

Seek professional psychiatric assistance.

I'm very concerned for anyone in your vicinity.

I'm very happy that you and I are in different hemispheres as 10,000 miles away from you seems to be minimum safe distance.

Seriously... take uaafanblog's advice. You need a psychiatrist as soon as you can. I don't think you are dangerous to others... but you really need help.

Your rock doesn't have any Chinese ideograms. I am not an expert in Chinese but I have a fair amount of experience with archeology.

What you have there is ... a rock... and your delusions. Please seek help.