I'm looking for physics lab which can do special research my physics hypotheses from this site.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
I'm not physics scientist and hypotheses form this site wasn't written as scientific research document.
I have a doubt about classical mechanic motion principle. The modern physics say the nature has two main translational and rotational motions with their own law of momentum conservation. My hypotheses introduces the nature has just one main rotational and translational motion with it's own law of momentum conservation and rotational motion and translational motion are part of this main motion.
The modern physic says net off all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will be a zero after repulsive action.
My hypotheses says net off all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will be a zero after repulsive action if all objects of isolated system will conduct translational motion only. If one of the object after repulsive action will conduct a translational and rotational motion then the net of all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will not equal to zero. I made some experiment which it shown on my site. However, it is not enough to show good result without physics lab environment. I want to check it and spend some money for it and prove or disapprove this modern physics motion concept. I'm looking to physics lab which can do custom research and produce this experiment. Would it possible to do this in your lab? I would appreciate if you look into my site.
Thank you
Good heavens 
...... a whole research group to conduct idiotic experiments involving state-of-the-art rubber bands and pencils. 
Edit:- now, would you kindly shuffle off to your nearest loony bin.
...... a whole research group to conduct idiotic experiments involving state-of-the-art rubber bands and pencils. Edit:- now, would you kindly shuffle off to your nearest loony bin.
QUOTE (abelov+Sep 3 2010, 10:05 PM)
I'm looking for physics lab which can do special research my physics hypotheses from this site.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
I'm not physics scientist and hypotheses form this site wasn't written as scientific research document.
I have a doubt about classical mechanic motion principle. The modern physics say the nature has two main translational and rotational motions with their own law of momentum conservation. My hypotheses introduces the nature has just one main rotational and translational motion with it's own law of momentum conservation and rotational motion and translational motion are part of this main motion.
The modern physic says net off all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will be a zero after repulsive action.
My hypotheses says net off all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will be a zero after repulsive action if all objects of isolated system will conduct translational motion only. If one of the object after repulsive action will conduct a translational and rotational motion then the net of all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will not equal to zero. I made some experiment which it shown on my site. However, it is not enough to show good result without physics lab environment. I want to check it and spend some money for it and prove or disapprove this modern physics motion concept. I'm looking to physics lab which can do custom research and produce this experiment. Would it possible to do this in your lab? I would appreciate if you look into my site.
Thank you
hmmm you have an experiment defined....
I am wondering about the scales though
I tell you what if you can design an apparatus that isn't a tinker toy something heavy and keep it mechanical I'll build it and try to run some tests. I'm sure it will end up the laws of physics will stay intact as they are but its always fun to test them and at least you have put a lot of work into your idea and have done some homework.
five.. do you even understand any of that?
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
I'm not physics scientist and hypotheses form this site wasn't written as scientific research document.
I have a doubt about classical mechanic motion principle. The modern physics say the nature has two main translational and rotational motions with their own law of momentum conservation. My hypotheses introduces the nature has just one main rotational and translational motion with it's own law of momentum conservation and rotational motion and translational motion are part of this main motion.
The modern physic says net off all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will be a zero after repulsive action.
My hypotheses says net off all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will be a zero after repulsive action if all objects of isolated system will conduct translational motion only. If one of the object after repulsive action will conduct a translational and rotational motion then the net of all translational momentums of all objects into isolated system will not equal to zero. I made some experiment which it shown on my site. However, it is not enough to show good result without physics lab environment. I want to check it and spend some money for it and prove or disapprove this modern physics motion concept. I'm looking to physics lab which can do custom research and produce this experiment. Would it possible to do this in your lab? I would appreciate if you look into my site.
Thank you
hmmm you have an experiment defined....
I am wondering about the scales though
I tell you what if you can design an apparatus that isn't a tinker toy something heavy and keep it mechanical I'll build it and try to run some tests. I'm sure it will end up the laws of physics will stay intact as they are but its always fun to test them and at least you have put a lot of work into your idea and have done some homework.
five.. do you even understand any of that?
QUOTE (dhcracker+Sep 4 2010, 07:33 AM)
hmmm you have an experiment defined....
I am wondering about the scales though
I tell you what if you can design an apparatus that isn't a tinker toy something heavy and keep it mechanical I'll build it and try to run some tests. I'm sure it will end up the laws of physics will stay intact as they are but its always fun to test them and at least you have put a lot of work into your idea and have done some homework.
five.. do you even understand any of that?
Well, It's possible change a shapes of objects with the same mass. For example, for this experiment possible use rod and ball. Using internal spring, repulse these objects and see what is happening. I'm looking for a team who would interesting about this experiment. If someone has a classical mechanics research project then it would be a good idea using this experiment for that.
I perfectly understand modern classical mechanics. Actually, how I got degree without that
. However, I would like to test modern physics motion principle by this experiment. I would like to see how law of momentum conservation works for objects which conduct different type of motion. Translational and rotational and translational motions.
I am wondering about the scales though
I tell you what if you can design an apparatus that isn't a tinker toy something heavy and keep it mechanical I'll build it and try to run some tests. I'm sure it will end up the laws of physics will stay intact as they are but its always fun to test them and at least you have put a lot of work into your idea and have done some homework.
five.. do you even understand any of that?
Well, It's possible change a shapes of objects with the same mass. For example, for this experiment possible use rod and ball. Using internal spring, repulse these objects and see what is happening. I'm looking for a team who would interesting about this experiment. If someone has a classical mechanics research project then it would be a good idea using this experiment for that.
I perfectly understand modern classical mechanics. Actually, how I got degree without that
. However, I would like to test modern physics motion principle by this experiment. I would like to see how law of momentum conservation works for objects which conduct different type of motion. Translational and rotational and translational motions.
QUOTE (abelov+Sep 4 2010, 12:19 PM)
Well, It's possible change a shapes of objects with the same mass. For example, for this experiment possible use rod and ball. Using internal spring, repulse these objects and see what is happening. I'm looking for a team who would interesting about this experiment. If someone has a classical mechanics research project then it would be a good idea using this experiment for that.
I perfectly understand modern classical mechanics. Actually, how I got degree without that. However, I would like to test modern physics motion principle by this experiment. I would like to see how law of momentum conservation works for objects which conduct different type of motion. Translational and rotational and translational motions.
Why can't you increase the mass? I don't have a team, I have a machine shope, materials, skills, and free time. I'll volunteer to build you an apparatus for your experiment, but I don't do tinker toys and you need to design it as its your experiment. You should be able to scale this up and really test it better with much higher accuracy, the more mass the more difference will be noted.
I can build anything to any standard you need with any material, though if you want to go exotic you will have to purchase those materials... common materials I have enough of to donate for an experiment.
You will need other people to explain the physics, I can simply build your design on a level that research labs find acceptable and use. I often make such things, I have two dynamos under my belt.
PM me if you really want something built.
I perfectly understand modern classical mechanics. Actually, how I got degree without that
. However, I would like to test modern physics motion principle by this experiment. I would like to see how law of momentum conservation works for objects which conduct different type of motion. Translational and rotational and translational motions. Why can't you increase the mass? I don't have a team, I have a machine shope, materials, skills, and free time. I'll volunteer to build you an apparatus for your experiment, but I don't do tinker toys and you need to design it as its your experiment. You should be able to scale this up and really test it better with much higher accuracy, the more mass the more difference will be noted.
I can build anything to any standard you need with any material, though if you want to go exotic you will have to purchase those materials... common materials I have enough of to donate for an experiment.
You will need other people to explain the physics, I can simply build your design on a level that research labs find acceptable and use. I often make such things, I have two dynamos under my belt.
PM me if you really want something built.
QUOTE (dhcracker+Sep 4 2010, 07:05 PM)
Why can't you increase the mass? I don't have a team, I have a machine shope, materials, skills, and free time. I'll volunteer to build you an apparatus for your experiment, but I don't do tinker toys and you need to design it as its your experiment. You should be able to scale this up and really test it better with much higher accuracy, the more mass the more difference will be noted.
I can build anything to any standard you need with any material, though if you want to go exotic you will have to purchase those materials... common materials I have enough of to donate for an experiment.
You will need other people to explain the physics, I can simply build your design on a level that research labs find acceptable and use. I often make such things, I have two dynamos under my belt.
PM me if you really want something built.
Ok It's possible use a railroad line and destruction ball for constrictors. Using explosive device repulse them and measure their velocities through telemetric radio controlled system. I'm sorry. It's joke.
Seriosly. I appreciate for your interest. I'm looking for team, which is one person only, who can do full research of this experiment with good scientific result. Could you do this alone?
I can build anything to any standard you need with any material, though if you want to go exotic you will have to purchase those materials... common materials I have enough of to donate for an experiment.
You will need other people to explain the physics, I can simply build your design on a level that research labs find acceptable and use. I often make such things, I have two dynamos under my belt.
PM me if you really want something built.
Ok
It's possible use a railroad line and destruction ball for constrictors. Using explosive device repulse them and measure their velocities through telemetric radio controlled system. I'm sorry. It's joke.Seriosly. I appreciate for your interest. I'm looking for team, which is one person only, who can do full research of this experiment with good scientific result. Could you do this alone?
QUOTE (dhcracker+Sep 4 2010, 07:05 PM)
Why can't you increase the mass?
Ok. Using system C.
Each of these objects may have mass 01.kg. Using spring on one of this object possible repulse them during free fall from 100 m stand. After all, measure their velocities and calculate their momentums. This would not be so hard. Just ohnly one question about air. How atmosphere will affects these objects velocities? Ideally, a vacuum room would be great for an experiment. However, the mass of object should be small.
Ok. Using system C.
Each of these objects may have mass 01.kg. Using spring on one of this object possible repulse them during free fall from 100 m stand. After all, measure their velocities and calculate their momentums. This would not be so hard. Just ohnly one question about air. How atmosphere will affects these objects velocities? Ideally, a vacuum room would be great for an experiment. However, the mass of object should be small.
QUOTE (abelov+Sep 4 2010, 08:56 PM)
Ok. Using system C.
Each of these objects may have mass 01.kg. Using spring on one of this object possible repulse them during free fall from 100 m stand. After all, measure their velocities and calculate their momentums. This would not be so hard. Just ohnly one question about air. How atmosphere will affects these objects velocities? Ideally, a vacuum room would be great for an experiment. However, the mass of object should be small.
YOu are not answering my question, why can't you scale it up. Why drop a I'm assuming u meant .01kg object 100m when you could drop a larger object less distance.. or you could load your object into a vaccum chamber and shoot it with a magnetic rail. No need for simple things like gravity really when I can control all the conditions why leave it up to the breeze?
Each of these objects may have mass 01.kg. Using spring on one of this object possible repulse them during free fall from 100 m stand. After all, measure their velocities and calculate their momentums. This would not be so hard. Just ohnly one question about air. How atmosphere will affects these objects velocities? Ideally, a vacuum room would be great for an experiment. However, the mass of object should be small.
YOu are not answering my question, why can't you scale it up. Why drop a I'm assuming u meant .01kg object 100m when you could drop a larger object less distance.. or you could load your object into a vaccum chamber and shoot it with a magnetic rail. No need for simple things like gravity really when I can control all the conditions why leave it up to the breeze?
QUOTE (dhcracker+Sep 5 2010, 04:42 AM)
YOu are not answering my question, why can't you scale it up. Why drop a I'm assuming u meant .01kg object 100m when you could drop a larger object less distance.. or you could load your object into a vaccum chamber and shoot it with a magnetic rail. No need for simple things like gravity really when I can control all the conditions why leave it up to the breeze?
Larger objects into short distance.
Could you please provide an example.
I used simple things from my home to make a simple experiment.
Vacuum chambers is good, but I don't have it. Ideally, it's best way for this experiment.
Therefore, I looking for a special group who has an environment for this experiment and base on results could generate a good scientific report.
Larger objects into short distance.
Could you please provide an example.
I used simple things from my home to make a simple experiment.
Vacuum chambers is good, but I don't have it. Ideally, it's best way for this experiment.
Therefore, I looking for a special group who has an environment for this experiment and base on results could generate a good scientific report.
QUOTE (abelov+Sep 5 2010, 02:40 PM)
Larger objects into short distance.
Could you please provide an example.
I used simple things from my home to make a simple experiment.
Vacuum chambers is good, but I don't have it. Ideally, it's best way for this experiment.
Therefore, I looking for a special group who has an environment for this experiment and base on results could generate a good scientific report.
Sounds like you need to study some yourself so you will know how your experiment should predict a larger mass. Based on your site your capable of it.
I wish bruce or someone would check this out and let me know if this is a worthy experiment to learn from, or if maybe you missed something fundamental. I'd hate to build something to learn nothing from it, however if its cool enough and asks good enough questions to learn from I'm all for it...
I don't do pencils and rubber bands though that would just be humiliating for me with this big machine shop lol.
Could you please provide an example.
I used simple things from my home to make a simple experiment.
Vacuum chambers is good, but I don't have it. Ideally, it's best way for this experiment.
Therefore, I looking for a special group who has an environment for this experiment and base on results could generate a good scientific report.
Sounds like you need to study some yourself so you will know how your experiment should predict a larger mass. Based on your site your capable of it.
I wish bruce or someone would check this out and let me know if this is a worthy experiment to learn from, or if maybe you missed something fundamental. I'd hate to build something to learn nothing from it, however if its cool enough and asks good enough questions to learn from I'm all for it...
I don't do pencils and rubber bands though that would just be humiliating for me with this big machine shop lol.
QUOTE (dhcracker+Sep 5 2010, 07:40 PM)
Sounds like you need to study some yourself so you will know how your experiment should predict a larger mass. Based on your site your capable of it.
I wish bruce or someone would check this out and let me know if this is a worthy experiment to learn from, or if maybe you missed something fundamental. I'd hate to build something to learn nothing from it, however if its cool enough and asks good enough questions to learn from I'm all for it...
I don't do pencils and rubber bands though that would just be humiliating for me with this big machine shop lol.
I'm looking for research group who can make a real experiment with good scientific report.
If you could do it. Fine. We'll make a deal and I'll pay you money for it.
Unfortunately, I'm not going to learn or teach somebody to physics science. I need just an experiment with good results which will prove or disapprove modern classical mechanics motion concept.
QUOTE
I need just an experiment with good results which will prove or disapprove modern classical mechanics motion concept.
Since modern classical mechanics has been around for three and a quarter centuries, and it's never been disproven, Good Luck.
QUOTE (AlexG+Sep 5 2010, 08:04 PM)
Since modern classical mechanics has been around for three and a quarter centuries, and it's never been disproven, Good Luck.
Thanks,
The physics science is a science about natural phenomenon. The natural experiment must be present always to prove physics theories.
I hope physics scientists still can reproduce natural phenomenon's experiments and fill in good scientific reports for that. Otherwise, all theories about nature without experiments a piece of junk.
QUOTE (abelov+Sep 5 2010, 07:57 PM)
I'm looking for research group who can make a real experiment with good scientific report.
If you could do it. Fine. We'll make a deal and I'll pay you money for it.
Unfortunately, I'm not going to learn or teach somebody to physics science. I need just an experiment with good results which will prove or disapprove modern classical mechanics motion concept.
Well not money makes it entirely different, I'm not willing to donate hours and hours to learn your experiment however for some dough I'll oblige you.
However if it ends up the laws of physics remains intact there are no refunds lol
I will do some study on your site and I will get in contact with you on an idea for an experiment within a few days with a quote on it. We should take this convo to PM as its now got to business.
cheers
If you could do it. Fine. We'll make a deal and I'll pay you money for it.
Unfortunately, I'm not going to learn or teach somebody to physics science. I need just an experiment with good results which will prove or disapprove modern classical mechanics motion concept.
Well not money makes it entirely different, I'm not willing to donate hours and hours to learn your experiment however for some dough I'll oblige you.
However if it ends up the laws of physics remains intact there are no refunds lol
I will do some study on your site and I will get in contact with you on an idea for an experiment within a few days with a quote on it. We should take this convo to PM as its now got to business.
cheers
QUOTE (dhcracker+Sep 6 2010, 03:50 PM)
I will do some study on your site and I will get in contact with you on an idea for an experiment within a few days with a quote on it. We should take this convo to PM as its now got to business.
Sure.
Actually the experiment is very simple. Need just a lab environment and research procedure knowledge. I'm welcome for any group which can produce an experiment and generate a good science report for it.
Sure.
Actually the experiment is very simple. Need just a lab environment and research procedure knowledge. I'm welcome for any group which can produce an experiment and generate a good science report for it.
This could be used for new experiment.
User posted image: User posted image
User posted image: User posted image
Surely you mean this.
QUOTE (fivedoughnut_+Sep 15 2010, 05:27 PM)
Surely you mean this.
I understand your sense of humor. However, I think you didn't understand an idea. Do you?
I understand your sense of humor. However, I think you didn't understand an idea. Do you?
QUOTE (abelov+Sep 15 2010, 05:17 PM)
This could be used for new experiment.
User posted image: <a target='_blank' href='http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/1xmqm1l0s4ys/h6o9ht/experiment21.jpg'>User posted image</a>
Yes I like that one MUCH better than the one in the email. Now I would be interested in making that.. I'll get back to you I got your email. So long as you provide the materials I'll volunteer my time to a reasonable level
And no five has NO CLUE what we are talking about lol just ignore him... he's here to insult crackpots but he really can't tell sometimes whats real and whats crackpottery..
to be honest this is borderline.. I mean you can't expect to change laws of physics and not draw a little heat eh
Its ok though at least you are putting your theory to tests most people just spout gibberish so Five is actually being nice to you believe it or not ..
just search his posts lol
User posted image: <a target='_blank' href='http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/1xmqm1l0s4ys/h6o9ht/experiment21.jpg'>User posted image</a>
Yes I like that one MUCH better than the one in the email. Now I would be interested in making that.. I'll get back to you I got your email. So long as you provide the materials I'll volunteer my time to a reasonable level
And no five has NO CLUE what we are talking about lol just ignore him... he's here to insult crackpots but he really can't tell sometimes whats real and whats crackpottery..
to be honest this is borderline.. I mean you can't expect to change laws of physics and not draw a little heat eh
Its ok though at least you are putting your theory to tests most people just spout gibberish so Five is actually being nice to you believe it or not ..
just search his posts lol
QUOTE (dhcracker+Sep 15 2010, 10:02 PM)
Yes I like that one MUCH better than the one in the email. Now I would be interested in making that.. I'll get back to you I got your email. So long as you provide the materials I'll volunteer my time to a reasonable level
Thank you. I'm still looking for people who can repeat the experiment and generate good report with results. I'll keep you post it.
I think, history has a lot of examples. One of them Galileo's experiment when he dropped balls from the Leaning Tower of Pisa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
This experiment was contrary to what Aristotle had taught: that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight. Why everybody use it and no one did a simple experiment as Galileo to approve or disapprove it?
Here's same situation. Everybody think and predicts result of experiment and no one wants to check it. I'd like to see it on simple experiment. The result of this experiment will bring the truth, but not philosophy debates about it.
Please visit my site to see updated construction.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2
Updated construction.
User posted image: User posted image
How it works?
The powered electromagnet(13) on console(14) hold connected objects (4)(11) at initial time. After power off, electromagnet(13) release connected objects(4)(11) to free fall. After loosing magnetic field the (Normal Closed) NC reed switch(1) connect motor(3) to battery(2)(7), which rotated rotor physically disconnects from objects detaching nut(12). This action release spring (9) which repulse objects (4) and (11). After repulsing action object (11) will conduct translational motion and object (4) will conduct rotational and translational motion. LED's (5)(10) is simplifying center of mass detection for high speed camcorder during whole experiment process.
Thank you. I'm still looking for people who can repeat the experiment and generate good report with results. I'll keep you post it.
I think, history has a lot of examples. One of them Galileo's experiment when he dropped balls from the Leaning Tower of Pisa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
This experiment was contrary to what Aristotle had taught: that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight. Why everybody use it and no one did a simple experiment as Galileo to approve or disapprove it?
Here's same situation. Everybody think and predicts result of experiment and no one wants to check it. I'd like to see it on simple experiment. The result of this experiment will bring the truth, but not philosophy debates about it.
Please visit my site to see updated construction.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2
Updated construction.
User posted image: User posted image
How it works?
The powered electromagnet(13) on console(14) hold connected objects (4)(11) at initial time. After power off, electromagnet(13) release connected objects(4)(11) to free fall. After loosing magnetic field the (Normal Closed) NC reed switch(1) connect motor(3) to battery(2)(7), which rotated rotor physically disconnects from objects detaching nut(12). This action release spring (9) which repulse objects (4) and (11). After repulsing action object (11) will conduct translational motion and object (4) will conduct rotational and translational motion. LED's (5)(10) is simplifying center of mass detection for high speed camcorder during whole experiment process.
QUOTE (abelov+Sep 16 2010, 02:05 AM)
I think, history has a lot of examples. One of them Galileo's experiment when he dropped balls from the Leaning Tower of Pisa.
The only help forthcoming, from comparing yourself to Galileo will be alas; of the straightjacket and padded-cell variety.
The only help forthcoming, from comparing yourself to Galileo will be alas; of the straightjacket and padded-cell variety.
QUOTE (fivedoughnut_+Sep 15 2010, 08:27 PM)
Surely you mean this.
Five, when did you last clean you loo? There is this cleaning solution called harpic power plus. It works wonders. Try it.
Five, when did you last clean you loo? There is this cleaning solution called harpic power plus. It works wonders. Try it.
I wonder why Aristotle never reasoned this wise.
A coin takes one second to travel 9.8m after being released. How long will it take a hundred coins to drop same length?
Was this so hard for him to try. Unless he observed it was easier and faster for a gang of slaves to push a cart than would a single slave do. Therefore many coins will break the aether easily than a single coin. What tragedy!
A coin takes one second to travel 9.8m after being released. How long will it take a hundred coins to drop same length?
Was this so hard for him to try. Unless he observed it was easier and faster for a gang of slaves to push a cart than would a single slave do. Therefore many coins will break the aether easily than a single coin. What tragedy!
QUOTE (boit+Sep 18 2010, 09:25 AM)
Five, when did you last clean your loo?
I'm almost certain; I once licked the limescale boundary in 1975 - other than that ..... pretty sure I scraped the seat back to the plastic recently.
I'm almost certain; I once licked the limescale boundary in 1975 - other than that ..... pretty sure I scraped the seat back to the plastic recently.
QUOTE (fivedoughnut_+Sep 18 2010, 05:32 PM)
I'm almost certain; I once licked the limescale boundary in 1975 - other than that ..... pretty sure I scraped the seat back to the plastic recently.
I love your sense of humor. Anyway what do you make of that experiment. I had once thought of an experiment to determine the speed of Gravity by using the tidal effect of the Moon on Earth I believed the force of gravity was instantaneous. When the moon is dead overhead (I live near the Equator), if I could draw a line from the center of the moon to the center of the earth and notice the tidal effect occurs at the exact point the line pierces the surface, I'll say gravity travels at c. If on the other hand the force occurs at the actual position of the Moon over the Earth, I'll say gravity act instantaneously. I just needed special accelerometers for this experiment but after reading this forum among others, I shelved the need for good. I need not try it. It ain't fun when you know the outcome.
I love your sense of humor. Anyway what do you make of that experiment. I had once thought of an experiment to determine the speed of Gravity by using the tidal effect of the Moon on Earth I believed the force of gravity was instantaneous. When the moon is dead overhead (I live near the Equator), if I could draw a line from the center of the moon to the center of the earth and notice the tidal effect occurs at the exact point the line pierces the surface, I'll say gravity travels at c. If on the other hand the force occurs at the actual position of the Moon over the Earth, I'll say gravity act instantaneously. I just needed special accelerometers for this experiment but after reading this forum among others, I shelved the need for good. I need not try it. It ain't fun when you know the outcome.
QUOTE (boit+Sep 18 2010, 07:18 PM)
I love your sense of humor.
Pray, tell me more.
Pray, tell me more.
QUOTE (boit+Sep 18 2010, 07:18 PM)
When the moon is dead overhead (I live near the Equator), if I could draw a line from the center of the moon to the center of the earth and notice the tidal effect occurs at the exact point the line pierces the surface, I'll say gravity travels at c.
Have you considered the apparent position of the Moon? .... ie;- when it appears exactly overhead, it's really occupying space approx' 1 second advanced.
Have you considered the apparent position of the Moon? .... ie;- when it appears exactly overhead, it's really occupying space approx' 1 second advanced.
QUOTE (fivedoughnut_+Sep 18 2010, 10:32 PM)
Have you considered the apparent position of the Moon? .... ie;- when it appears exactly overhead, it's really occupying space approx' 1 second advanced.
Yes. I did consider that. It is what I referred to as the actual position of the moon. If it occurred directly under it I would have interpreted that to mean gravity was instantaneous.
Yes. I did consider that. It is what I referred to as the actual position of the moon. If it occurred directly under it I would have interpreted that to mean gravity was instantaneous.
QUOTE (fivedoughnut_+Sep 18 2010, 06:04 AM)
The only help forthcoming, from comparing yourself to Galileo will be alas; of the straightjacket and padded-cell variety.
Compare? It was history example.
Experiment must present on physic science. This differentiate science about nature phenomenon from religion. I have Idea. I want to check it and see real nature behavior. All result predictions from existing theories are not accepting. The experiment results only.
Compare? It was history example.
Experiment must present on physic science. This differentiate science about nature phenomenon from religion. I have Idea. I want to check it and see real nature behavior. All result predictions from existing theories are not accepting. The experiment results only.
One more thing to defend my hypotheses about single main rotational and translational motion.
The law of momentum conservation works well for both motions as translational and rotational. But how about case when body conducts rotational and translational motion together. Let imagine case where body with rotational with velocity W and translational with velocity V motion collide with wall by it's on center of mass. What will happen? Base on modern motion concept all translational and translational momentums body will transfer to the wall separately from each other. This is correct, because center mass collision point of body will have normal velocity V relativity to the wall. But how about case where collision of body will be away from it's own center of mass? The velocity of collision point will be V + W*R relativity to the wall. In this case the translational momentum of body cannot be count as simple formula mV. because velocity is different.
On my site I described hypotheses about main single rotational and translational motion with it's own law of momentum conservation.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
Please read it.
The law of momentum conservation works well for both motions as translational and rotational. But how about case when body conducts rotational and translational motion together. Let imagine case where body with rotational with velocity W and translational with velocity V motion collide with wall by it's on center of mass. What will happen? Base on modern motion concept all translational and translational momentums body will transfer to the wall separately from each other. This is correct, because center mass collision point of body will have normal velocity V relativity to the wall. But how about case where collision of body will be away from it's own center of mass? The velocity of collision point will be V + W*R relativity to the wall. In this case the translational momentum of body cannot be count as simple formula mV. because velocity is different.
On my site I described hypotheses about main single rotational and translational motion with it's own law of momentum conservation.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
Please read it.
I made some analysis for my experiment and made model for rolling bodies. This model shows the rolling bodies will have different translational velocities.
Please take a look.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
Thank you
Please take a look.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
Thank you
I made new model of my experiment. This model use rolling body on surface. Please take a look.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
A few words about frames of reference.
Newton's Laws hold only with respect to a certain set of frames of reference called Newtonian or inertial reference frames.[1]
The first Newton's law is: "Every body remains in a state of rest or uniform motion (constant velocity) unless it is acted upon by an external unbalanced force. This means that in the absence of a non-zeronet force, the center of mass of a body either remains at rest, or moves at a constant speed in a straight line.[1]
However Newton's laws don't deny free move center of mass of isolated system. Second and third laws describes bodies forces interaction. Otherwise, bodies knows nothing about each other and center of mass of isolated system is meaningless without bodies forces interaction. Base on symmetric bodies forces during interaction, the center of mass of isolated system should hold same position. It's true for simple motions, where force has simple meaning. However, for rotational and translational motion force can have two components from simple motions. In this case, net force may achieve same value by different components variation. For example 3+4=7 and 4+3=7. Where first number is translational force component and second number is rotational angular force by radius projection component. Therefore, center of mass of system for bodies forces interaction in rotational and translational motion can move. Otherwise, bodies during interaction should get additional extra forces from nowhere which will help to hold center of mass of isolated system on same position. Energy for these additional extra forces should come from nowhere too. Unfortunately, the modern classical mechanics equalize holding same position of center of mass of isolated system with symmetric forces for any cases of bodies forces interaction, because rotational and translational motion is a product of sum of two simple motions.
This solution will follow free move center of mass of isolated system for single standalone rotational and translational motion, because no strong description about it in Newton's laws. This solution won't include any additional extra forces to helping to hold center of mass of isolated system on same position.
Newton's Laws hold only with respect to a certain set of frames of reference called Newtonian or inertial reference frames.[1]
The first Newton's law is: "Every body remains in a state of rest or uniform motion (constant velocity) unless it is acted upon by an external unbalanced force. This means that in the absence of a non-zeronet force, the center of mass of a body either remains at rest, or moves at a constant speed in a straight line.[1]
However Newton's laws don't deny free move center of mass of isolated system. Second and third laws describes bodies forces interaction. Otherwise, bodies knows nothing about each other and center of mass of isolated system is meaningless without bodies forces interaction. Base on symmetric bodies forces during interaction, the center of mass of isolated system should hold same position. It's true for simple motions, where force has simple meaning. However, for rotational and translational motion force can have two components from simple motions. In this case, net force may achieve same value by different components variation. For example 3+4=7 and 4+3=7. Where first number is translational force component and second number is rotational angular force by radius projection component. Therefore, center of mass of system for bodies forces interaction in rotational and translational motion can move. Otherwise, bodies during interaction should get additional extra forces from nowhere which will help to hold center of mass of isolated system on same position. Energy for these additional extra forces should come from nowhere too. Unfortunately, the modern classical mechanics equalize holding same position of center of mass of isolated system with symmetric forces for any cases of bodies forces interaction, because rotational and translational motion is a product of sum of two simple motions.
This solution will follow free move center of mass of isolated system for single standalone rotational and translational motion, because no strong description about it in Newton's laws. This solution won't include any additional extra forces to helping to hold center of mass of isolated system on same position.
I'm trying to explain where modern physic got mistake.
If repulse rotated and non-rotated objects with same mass then base on modern physics these objects will have same translational velocity after repulsing action. Because rotational and translational motion is a sum of two simple motion. Whole force during repulsing should create a translational motion for rotated and non-rotated objects. Base on this force induct internal forces inside rotated object which will bring it's rotation during repulsing action. How come, Huh? Internal forces for rotation. From where this force? Where energy for this force came from? This is modern classical mechanics now. You don't believe me? You could ask any physics scientist
My opinion, I don't believe to any magical internal forces inside rotated object. Otherwise, object should loose temperature, because internal forces are getting energy from object. The nature is doing simple thing. The repulse force inside rotated objects split for two forces for two motions of this object. Therefore net of these forces for two motions is equal to force which is applying to non -rotated object during repulsing action(Third Newton's law). However it's impossible for modern physics now, because rotational and translational motion is sum of simple two motion for modern classical mechanic now which each of these motions must execute it's own law of momentum conservation.
My solution is postulate rotation and translational motion as standalone motion with it's own law of momentum conservation.
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/parado...al-mechanics-2#
The model of rotated object on weightless platform fully describes rotated object during repulsing object.
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/the-wh...xmqm1l0s4ys/18#
Therefore, the classical mechanic has just one generic rotational and translational motion. Simple translational and rotational motions just a trivial cases of one main motion only. Sir Newton described both trivial cases of one main motion which simplified understanding about motion. However,excluding main rotational and translational motion brings mistake on nature motion description. I hope my experiment reproduction will prove it.
I hope it helps.
If repulse rotated and non-rotated objects with same mass then base on modern physics these objects will have same translational velocity after repulsing action. Because rotational and translational motion is a sum of two simple motion. Whole force during repulsing should create a translational motion for rotated and non-rotated objects. Base on this force induct internal forces inside rotated object which will bring it's rotation during repulsing action. How come, Huh? Internal forces for rotation. From where this force? Where energy for this force came from? This is modern classical mechanics now. You don't believe me? You could ask any physics scientist
My opinion, I don't believe to any magical internal forces inside rotated object. Otherwise, object should loose temperature, because internal forces are getting energy from object. The nature is doing simple thing. The repulse force inside rotated objects split for two forces for two motions of this object. Therefore net of these forces for two motions is equal to force which is applying to non -rotated object during repulsing action(Third Newton's law). However it's impossible for modern physics now, because rotational and translational motion is sum of simple two motion for modern classical mechanic now which each of these motions must execute it's own law of momentum conservation.
My solution is postulate rotation and translational motion as standalone motion with it's own law of momentum conservation.
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/parado...al-mechanics-2#
The model of rotated object on weightless platform fully describes rotated object during repulsing object.
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/the-wh...xmqm1l0s4ys/18#
Therefore, the classical mechanic has just one generic rotational and translational motion. Simple translational and rotational motions just a trivial cases of one main motion only. Sir Newton described both trivial cases of one main motion which simplified understanding about motion. However,excluding main rotational and translational motion brings mistake on nature motion description. I hope my experiment reproduction will prove it.
I hope it helps.
You are a fool, and illiterate at that. The only people here who read this drivel and agree with with it are more damaged than you are.
Please shut up, you crashing bore. Your stupidity and ego are simply astounding.
Please shut up, you crashing bore. Your stupidity and ego are simply astounding.
QUOTE (Guest+Oct 16 2010, 08:03 PM)
You are a fool, and illiterate at that. The only people here who read this drivel and agree with with it are more damaged than you are.
Please shut up, you crashing bore. Your stupidity and ego are simply astounding.
As I see, you're so smart
Are you ready to talk about Newtons laws? I don't think you know what is it. Are you ?
Please shut up, you crashing bore. Your stupidity and ego are simply astounding.
As I see, you're so smart
Are you ready to talk about Newtons laws? I don't think you know what is it. Are you
?
I think, I found more simplest solution for this rotational and translational motion explanation.
Rotational and translational motion description should include rule:
Base on modern classical mechanic where rotational and translational motion is a product of sum of two simple motions as rotational motion and translational motion, each of these simple motions must have own force which induct this kind of motion.
Then F=F1+F2. where F - full force, F1,F2 - forces for inducting simple motions.
Each of these motion will follow it's own law of momentum conservation where product of sum of these momentum will equal to full momentum which applied to this object.
Then P=P1+P2. where P - full momentum, P1,P2 - momentums for inducting simple motions.
After that translational motion will follow F1 and P1 and rotational motion will follow F2*R and P2*R.
That's it.
Rotational and translational motion description should include rule:
Base on modern classical mechanic where rotational and translational motion is a product of sum of two simple motions as rotational motion and translational motion, each of these simple motions must have own force which induct this kind of motion.
Then F=F1+F2. where F - full force, F1,F2 - forces for inducting simple motions.
Each of these motion will follow it's own law of momentum conservation where product of sum of these momentum will equal to full momentum which applied to this object.
Then P=P1+P2. where P - full momentum, P1,P2 - momentums for inducting simple motions.
After that translational motion will follow F1 and P1 and rotational motion will follow F2*R and P2*R.
That's it.
I understood what was happened. Modern physics use static model for forces which applied to an object. This is the same model if calculate loads in civil engineering.
If you this logic for physics problem "a rolling body along incline" then object has two reaction forces. In static mode each of this forces equal to gravity force projection on incline. However, solution of this problem use dynamic model where rotational and translational motion is a sum of two motion and sum of forces which conducted certain type of motion equal to net force(i.e. gravity force projection on incline)
The physics problem for rotational and translational motion in free move doesn't use dynamic model and substitute physics process by static model where torque as add-on(not part of it) for force in linear direction. This is mistake. The model should be the same as modern physics use for rolling objects on surface
If you this logic for physics problem "a rolling body along incline" then object has two reaction forces. In static mode each of this forces equal to gravity force projection on incline. However, solution of this problem use dynamic model where rotational and translational motion is a sum of two motion and sum of forces which conducted certain type of motion equal to net force(i.e. gravity force projection on incline)
The physics problem for rotational and translational motion in free move doesn't use dynamic model and substitute physics process by static model where torque as add-on(not part of it) for force in linear direction. This is mistake. The model should be the same as modern physics use for rolling objects on surface
I added more realistic model where it show how rolling objects with same mass and different moment of inertia may have different translational acceleration during repulsing action.
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/the-wh...xmqm1l0s4ys/18#
User posted image: User posted image
The third newtons law of symmetrical interaction must works alway. Base on this law the net forces of both sides must be identical. The more realistic digram doesn't let platforms conduct rotational and translational motion. Just translational motion only. Base on kinematic equations for rolling bodies on surface, the net force of each side will be the sum of force which applied for translational motion of rolling objects plus torque which apllied for rotation motion divided by radius of rolling bodies. It shows on my solution.
Base on this equation the rolling bodies with same mass and different moment of inertia have a different translational and rotational accelerations. For instance, classic problem for rolling bodies on incline shows, the rolling bodies with same mass and different moment of inertia have a different translational acceleration on the end of incline. Here's same situation. The rolling bodies with same mass and different moment of inertia have different translational acceleration during repulsing action.
This problem shows paradox of classical mechanics where third newton's law of symmetry of interactions does not follow into consequence of simple law of momentum conservation. The modern law of momentum conservation in simple form works just for trivial cases where objects have symmetrical motion behavior. On other objects asymmetrical behavior during interaction, the law of momentum conservation has a complex form.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/the-wh...xmqm1l0s4ys/18#
User posted image: User posted image
The third newtons law of symmetrical interaction must works alway. Base on this law the net forces of both sides must be identical. The more realistic digram doesn't let platforms conduct rotational and translational motion. Just translational motion only. Base on kinematic equations for rolling bodies on surface, the net force of each side will be the sum of force which applied for translational motion of rolling objects plus torque which apllied for rotation motion divided by radius of rolling bodies. It shows on my solution.
Base on this equation the rolling bodies with same mass and different moment of inertia have a different translational and rotational accelerations. For instance, classic problem for rolling bodies on incline shows, the rolling bodies with same mass and different moment of inertia have a different translational acceleration on the end of incline. Here's same situation. The rolling bodies with same mass and different moment of inertia have different translational acceleration during repulsing action.
This problem shows paradox of classical mechanics where third newton's law of symmetry of interactions does not follow into consequence of simple law of momentum conservation. The modern law of momentum conservation in simple form works just for trivial cases where objects have symmetrical motion behavior. On other objects asymmetrical behavior during interaction, the law of momentum conservation has a complex form.
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#
The mistake of modern classical mechanic is a third newtons law consequence of modern classical mechanics where translational momentum must be equal. For simple form where objects have same translational motion - yes.
However in our case it doesn't work.
Ok. Let's imagine simples case where objects are rolling on one side only. Let's assume the translational momentums for our case equal. Then, forces which induce translational motion must be equal too. But which force induce rotational motion? Yes, the objects rotation in both direction are equal. But what force? No any spring inside subset of rolling objects. Just weightless platform between them.
However in our case it doesn't work.
Ok. Let's imagine simples case where objects are rolling on one side only. Let's assume the translational momentums for our case equal. Then, forces which induce translational motion must be equal too. But which force induce rotational motion? Yes, the objects rotation in both direction are equal. But what force? No any spring inside subset of rolling objects. Just weightless platform between them.
This experiment proves correct solution of physics problem and my hypotheses.
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/the-wh...#The_Experiment
direct link to video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjYsQnaocws...player_embedded
photos:
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http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/the-wh...#The_Experiment
direct link to video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjYsQnaocws...player_embedded
photos:
http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/1xmqm1l0s4ys/k36bdp/cart1.jpg
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