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coberst
Humans as objects of commerce

McLuhan was, I guess, the first to express the insight that technology is an extension of the human body.

These hand-held gadgets for communication might very well represent the end of ‘understanding’ for almost all citizens by 2050. I can see it already on the Internet discussion forums where communication is becoming a stream of consciousness without coherent grammatical or thoughtful content or construction.

Rugged individualism might be an appropriate expression for all the creatures in the world, with one exception. Humans have, in the last few hundred years, moved from being rugged individuals to our present state in which we have fashioned an alien environment in which we have become chess pieces or ciphers. We have invented the Artificial Kingdom where, as Simone Weil once noted, “it is the thing that thinks and the man who is reduced to the state of the thing”.

I think that we, women and men, have become chess pieces. We have become objects to be manipulated by the market and the corporation. We spend our days like the chess piece; we have a quantified value and are placed on the board and used as desired by some one who may be a real person. The real person has still the human characteristics of creativity, spontaneity, improvisation, spontaneously reactive, discontinuous, a mosaic more than syntax or cipher. Just what we find is missing when using the telephone to contact someone out there.

In an effort to understand where we are now it might help to start back in time and move forward. In frontier days each person was very much an individual. Rugged individualism was a popular expression. Each man and woman was a jack-of-all-trades and master of none. Each husband and wife was a team that together could and had to do everything that was needed.

In early America we were an agricultural economy. Most families were farm families we were all rugged individualist. The farmer was very much the jack-of-all-trades and the master of his or her domain.

As we move forward in time we see this team become a man working in a factory or office and the woman was at home raising the children and maintaining the day to day necessities for all family members. She washed, cleaned, shopped, sewed, and was still much of a rugged individual. Slowly the man became a specialized worker in a clockwork factory or office.

Moving forward in history we arrive at the present moment where not only is the man working in the factory or office but the woman joins him there also.

When we examine the factory or office workspace we find a very different occupation for the man and woman than the rugged individualism of emerging history of human evolution. We no longer are masters of our own domain but are ciphers in a clockwork that functions upon modern economic principles.

A pertinent example of this mode of commodification is how we have converted what was political economics into the modern economics. Political economy is the study of social relations. It is the study of culture. Political economy focuses upon the problem of how to regulate industrialization within the context of a healthy society, it worries about the problems of labor within a context of the laborer as an end and not a commodity—an object of commerce.

Economics, however, in its modern form, has replaced political economics. Economics has removed the pesky concern about labor as being human and has replaced labor as being a commodity—an object of commerce. Modern economics is now the study of scarcity, prices, and resource allocation. Economics has legislated that labor, as an end, is no longer a legitimate domain of knowledge for economic consideration. In doing so, over time, society has become ignorant of such concerns. Our culture has replaced concern about humans as ends with humans as means to some other end.

In the rugged individualist mode of living the individual was creative and master even though the domain of mastery was small. An individual’s personality is dramatically affected. Labor has become an abstract quantity and calculated into the commodity produced. We are the only creatures who have completely removed our self from what we were evolved to be. We are the only creatures removed from our grounding in an organic world. We came from a long ancestry of rugged individualist and now reside in the Artificial Kingdom. To what end only time will tell.

Do you feel like a cipher in our culture?

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The fact of this insight is less important to historicize as it is to explicate its value as a proposition and what purpose there is in framing technology as an extension as compared to, say, a separate entity that the human body interacts with.

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These hand-held gadgets for communication might very well represent the end of ‘understanding’ for almost all citizens by 2050.

Why? What kind of "'understanding'" do you mean? That human cognition will no longer play a role in life sustenance? How would humans use hand-held gadgets without understanding what they doing with them?

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These hand-held gadgets for communication might very well represent the end of ‘understanding’ for almost all citizens by 2050.

Why? What kind of "'understanding'" do you mean? That human cognition will no longer play a role in life sustenance? How would humans use hand-held gadgets without understanding what they doing with them?

I can see it already on the Internet discussion forums where communication is becoming a stream of consciousness without coherent grammatical or thoughtful content or construction.

What one person perceived as chaos appears to another observer as a relatively organized set or system. Chaos is the cognitive interpretation of something prior to sufficient experience or knowledge of it has been gained to allow discernment of specific elements and processes occurring with it.

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Rugged individualism might be an appropriate expression for all the creatures in the world, with one exception.  Humans have, in the last few hundred years, moved from being rugged individuals to our present state in which we have fashioned an alien environment in which we have become chess pieces or ciphers.  We have invented the Artificial Kingdom where, as Simone Weil once noted, “it is the thing that thinks and the man who is reduced to the state of the thing”.

Why is individualism necessarily "rugged?" Can't collectivism and fascism be "rugged" in the sense that individuals ruggedly cling to group-affiliation and resist individual responsibility and purpose? Humans may view themselves or others as chess-pieces, but this is little more than an instrumental metaphor that shapes the choices people make as individuals with regard to other individuals, imo.

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Rugged individualism might be an appropriate expression for all the creatures in the world, with one exception.  Humans have, in the last few hundred years, moved from being rugged individuals to our present state in which we have fashioned an alien environment in which we have become chess pieces or ciphers.  We have invented the Artificial Kingdom where, as Simone Weil once noted, “it is the thing that thinks and the man who is reduced to the state of the thing”.

Why is individualism necessarily "rugged?" Can't collectivism and fascism be "rugged" in the sense that individuals ruggedly cling to group-affiliation and resist individual responsibility and purpose? Humans may view themselves or others as chess-pieces, but this is little more than an instrumental metaphor that shapes the choices people make as individuals with regard to other individuals, imo.

I think that we, women and men, have become chess pieces.  We have become objects to be manipulated by the market and the corporation.

But isn't there for every individual that regards others as objects and chess pieces, another individual with the power to resist acquiescing to this definition and the corresponding expectations for behavior?

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The real person has still the human characteristics of creativity, spontaneity, improvisation, spontaneously reactive, discontinuous, a mosaic more than syntax or cipher.  Just what we find is missing when using the telephone to contact someone out there.

Funny how you throw "spontaneously reactive" in with the other human characteristics. Spontaneous reaction is more of an animal or machine quality than a human one. Humans are distinguished by the abillity to exercise free will and resist reacting spontaneously or automatically. Actually, now that I read closer "spontaneous reaction" is an oxymoron. The thing that distinguishes reaction from (pro) action is the fact that it is not spontaneous at all but a response to something else.

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The real person has still the human characteristics of creativity, spontaneity, improvisation, spontaneously reactive, discontinuous, a mosaic more than syntax or cipher.  Just what we find is missing when using the telephone to contact someone out there.

Funny how you throw "spontaneously reactive" in with the other human characteristics. Spontaneous reaction is more of an animal or machine quality than a human one. Humans are distinguished by the abillity to exercise free will and resist reacting spontaneously or automatically. Actually, now that I read closer "spontaneous reaction" is an oxymoron. The thing that distinguishes reaction from (pro) action is the fact that it is not spontaneous at all but a response to something else.

In an effort to understand where we are now it might help to start back in time and move forward. In frontier days each person was very much an individual.  Rugged individualism was a popular expression.  Each man and woman was a jack-of-all-trades and master of none.  Each husband and wife was a team that together could and had to do everything that was needed.

I don't know what you mean by individualism if you're talking about "teams" of husbands and wives or whoever. Maybe families on frontiers are more independent in the sense that they rely on their own labor for everything they make and consume. But individualism itself has more to do with resisting coordinating with others and reacting to them. Self-determination and self-reliance are different than relying on your husband, wife, or kids, or others in "society" to think and do things for you.

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When we examine the factory or office workspace we find a very different occupation for the man and woman than the rugged individualism of emerging history of human evolution.  We no longer are masters of our own domain but are ciphers in a clockwork that functions upon modern economic principles.

You make a good point about the evolution of division of labor and interdependence. Still, I think you are a bit overpessimistic about the determinance of work relations in the ability of individuals to master their own domains. I think more often individuals voluntarily take a submissive attitude in the workplace as a way of buying social approval, when they could just as well develop mastery over their own domain, and even use such mastery as a strength in coordinating their activities with other individuals. Too often there is an assumed correlation between strong individualism/mastery and stubbornness. You don't have to be a pushover to be good at working together with others cooperatively.

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When we examine the factory or office workspace we find a very different occupation for the man and woman than the rugged individualism of emerging history of human evolution.  We no longer are masters of our own domain but are ciphers in a clockwork that functions upon modern economic principles.

You make a good point about the evolution of division of labor and interdependence. Still, I think you are a bit overpessimistic about the determinance of work relations in the ability of individuals to master their own domains. I think more often individuals voluntarily take a submissive attitude in the workplace as a way of buying social approval, when they could just as well develop mastery over their own domain, and even use such mastery as a strength in coordinating their activities with other individuals. Too often there is an assumed correlation between strong individualism/mastery and stubbornness. You don't have to be a pushover to be good at working together with others cooperatively.

A pertinent example of this mode of commodification is how we have converted what was political economics into the modern economics. Political economy is the study of social relations.  It is the study of culture.  Political economy focuses upon the problem of how to regulate industrialization within the context of a healthy society, it worries about the problems of labor within a context of the laborer as an end and not a commodity—an object of commerce.

Economics, however, in its modern form, has replaced political economics.  Economics has removed the pesky concern about labor as being human and has replaced labor as being a commodity—an object of commerce.  Modern economics is now the study of scarcity, prices, and resource allocation.  Economics has legislated that labor, as an end, is no longer a legitimate domain of knowledge for economic consideration.  In doing so, over time, society has become ignorant of such concerns.  Our culture has replaced concern about humans as ends with humans as means to some other end. 

There are too many misleading statements in these paragraphs for me to deal with. The final sentence about humans as ends or as means to an end is a false dichotomy, though, which is often used to polarize political-economic factions against each other. A well-known claim made by K Marx was that humans are happiest when they are objectifying themselves in the products of their labor. So Marx viewed the ends of humans themselves as being able to use themselves as means to their own ends. Dichotomizing the field of human possibilities in this way naturalizes the assumption that some humans are pure consumers and others means to the end of consumption. All humans are both means and ends of their own productivity in consumption in at least some ways.




coberst
In the land of the blind the one-eyed man must take up the task of Dutch uncle.

An oligarchy controls public policy in America. The oligarchy consists of those who manage the great wealth of American institutions. This oligarchy designs our educational system to graduate good producers and consumers and does not desire independent thinkers.

CA (Corporate America) has developed a well-honed expertise in motivating the population to behave in a desired manner. Citizens as consumers are ample manifestation of that expertise. CA has accomplished this ability by careful study and implementation of the knowledge of the ways of human behavior. I suspect this same structure applies to most Western democracies.

A democratic form of government is one wherein the citizens have some voice in some policy decisions. The greater the voice of the citizens the better the democracy.

In America we have policy makers, decision makers, and citizens. The decision makers are our elected representatives and are, thus, under some control by the voting citizen. The policy makers are the leaders of CA; less than ten thousand individuals, according to those who study such matters. Policy makers exercise significant control of decision makers by controlling the financing of elections.

Policy makers customize and maintain the dominant ideology in order to control the political behavior of the citizens. This dominant ideology exercises the political control of the citizens in the same fashion as the consuming citizen is controlled by the same dominant ideology.

An enlightened citizen is the only means to gain more voice in more policy decisions. An enlightened citizen is much more than an informed citizen. Critical thinking is the only practical means to develop a more enlightened citizen. If, however, we wait until our CT trained grade-schoolers become adults I suspect all will be lost. This is why I think a massive effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they must train themselves in CT.


“Thomas R. Dye, Professor of Political Science at Florida State University, has published a series of books examining who and what institutions actually control and run America. to understand who is making the decisions that affect our lives, we also have to understand how societies structure themselves in general. Why the few always tend to share more power than the many and what this means in terms of both a society's evolution and our daily lives. they examined the other 11 institutions that exert just as powerful a shaping influence, although somewhat more subtle: The Industrial, Corporations, Utilities and Communications, Banking, Insurance
light in the tunnel
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In the land of the blind the one-eyed man must take up the task of Dutch uncle.











Did you get that from a fortune cookie?

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An oligarchy controls public policy in America.  The oligarchy consists of those who manage the great wealth of American institutions.  This oligarchy designs our educational system to graduate good producers and consumers and does not desire independent thinkers.

A good friend of mine once said that democracy exists but it doesn't have control. This is an ironic statement because democracy is the form of governance in which no one has control over anyone else. Hence the term, "freedom." Institutions, including education exert powerful influence on individuals, to be sure, but they do not control them. Desire for independent thinking may fluctuate, but the seeds of independent thought grow regardless of desire one way or the other. Perceptions and attitudes toward independent thought change and shift, and the distribution of decentralized power shifts, but multiplicities of power and resistance continue to check and balance each other. Hence the inalienable fact of democractic republic.

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An oligarchy controls public policy in America.  The oligarchy consists of those who manage the great wealth of American institutions.  This oligarchy designs our educational system to graduate good producers and consumers and does not desire independent thinkers.

A good friend of mine once said that democracy exists but it doesn't have control. This is an ironic statement because democracy is the form of governance in which no one has control over anyone else. Hence the term, "freedom." Institutions, including education exert powerful influence on individuals, to be sure, but they do not control them. Desire for independent thinking may fluctuate, but the seeds of independent thought grow regardless of desire one way or the other. Perceptions and attitudes toward independent thought change and shift, and the distribution of decentralized power shifts, but multiplicities of power and resistance continue to check and balance each other. Hence the inalienable fact of democractic republic.

CA (Corporate America) has developed a well-honed expertise in motivating the population to behave in a desired manner.  Citizens as consumers are ample manifestation of that expertise.  CA has accomplished this ability by careful study and implementation of the knowledge of the ways of human behavior.  I suspect this same structure applies to most Western democracies.

It is sad that so many people devote their energy to manipulating the behavior of others and allowing their own behavior and minds to be manipulated. It may be surprising to you, though, that such manipulation is far from absolute control, and freedom of thought is always little more than an eye-blink away. This is why you see such excessive violence occurring all the time, because those that wish for more secure control can never achieve it sustainably, because the default setting of human individuals is freedom. This actually frustrates some people, while others embrace it.

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A democratic form of government is one wherein the citizens have some voice in some policy decisions.  The greater the voice of the citizens the better the democracy.

"Forms of government" may be more or less democratic, but democracy is ultimately an attitude or relation between individuals and their governance. When a shoe was thrown at GWB, this was noted as a free democratic expression only possible in the absence of paralyzing fear for authority. The level of complaints and dissatisfaction voiced for GWB as a despotic leader was actually proof of the level of democracy that had been achieved while he was president. Ironic but true. If democracy had still been repressed, he would have had a high-approval rating and no one would have dared criticize him.

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A democratic form of government is one wherein the citizens have some voice in some policy decisions.  The greater the voice of the citizens the better the democracy.

"Forms of government" may be more or less democratic, but democracy is ultimately an attitude or relation between individuals and their governance. When a shoe was thrown at GWB, this was noted as a free democratic expression only possible in the absence of paralyzing fear for authority. The level of complaints and dissatisfaction voiced for GWB as a despotic leader was actually proof of the level of democracy that had been achieved while he was president. Ironic but true. If democracy had still been repressed, he would have had a high-approval rating and no one would have dared criticize him.

In America we have policy makers, decision makers, and citizens.  The decision makers are our elected representatives and are, thus, under some control by the voting citizen.  The policy makers are the leaders of CA; less than ten thousand individuals, according to those who study such matters.  Policy makers exercise significant control of decision makers by controlling the financing of elections.

Yes, I too have the sense that money weighs too strongly in political decision-making. I would not say that the voters "control" the elected representatives though. The best they can hope to do is rally to swing enough votes to prevent them from getting re-elected when they do things that contradict the will of voters. The only real benefit of representative democracy, imo, is that people can look at the person that's supposed to represent them and disagree or agree, which produces another form of democratic discourse and check-balance in governance.

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An enlightened citizen is the only means to gain more voice in more policy decisions.  An enlightened citizen is much more than an informed citizen.  Critical thinking is the only practical means to develop a more enlightened citizen.  If, however, we wait until our CT trained grade-schoolers become adults I suspect all will be lost.  This is why I think a massive effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they must train themselves in CT.

Adults get a lesson in CT every time they pay attention to news or politics. GWB administration was great at this. They had everyone tearing the hair out watching the media globally. Obama administration is achieving the same effect with conservatives, but I don't think they've gotten left-wing people out of their approval-trance yet, mainly because strong left people will accept almost anything that doesn't resemble what they came to despise between 2000-2008. This may change soon, though.

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An enlightened citizen is the only means to gain more voice in more policy decisions.  An enlightened citizen is much more than an informed citizen.  Critical thinking is the only practical means to develop a more enlightened citizen.  If, however, we wait until our CT trained grade-schoolers become adults I suspect all will be lost.  This is why I think a massive effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they must train themselves in CT.

Adults get a lesson in CT every time they pay attention to news or politics. GWB administration was great at this. They had everyone tearing the hair out watching the media globally. Obama administration is achieving the same effect with conservatives, but I don't think they've gotten left-wing people out of their approval-trance yet, mainly because strong left people will accept almost anything that doesn't resemble what they came to despise between 2000-2008. This may change soon, though.

“Thomas R. Dye, Professor of Political Science at Florida State University, has published a series of books examining who and what institutions actually control and run America. to understand who is making the decisions that affect our lives, we also have to understand how societies structure themselves in general. Why the few always tend to share more power than the many and what this means in terms of both a society's evolution and our daily lives.  they examined the other 11 institutions that exert just as powerful a shaping influence, although somewhat more subtle: The Industrial, Corporations, Utilities and Communications, Banking, Insurance

Sounds like he has some interesting stuff to say, but be weary of anyone who claims that certain institutions "control and run America." America is a free market, politically and economically. So there are always competing power-interests in everything. Revealing the "powerful shaping influence" of institutions and cultural habits is a different story. These are often the most powerful aspects in our lives, not because they control us, but because we don't notice them and go along without resistance. Mindless docility is the greatest anti-democratic force in America, and probably the world, imo.
coberst
I have recently watched “The Nazis: A Warning from History”. This series of DVDs makes it perfectly clear that the Germany population were handmaidens of Hitler. Hitler and the civilian population had a symbiotic relationship that provides the embodiment of the Freudian theory of transference on both the individual and on the group level.

Freud was the first to focus upon the phenomenon of a patient’s inclination to transfer the feelings s/he had toward her parents as a child to the physician. The patient distorts the perception of the physician; s/he enlarges the figure up far out of reason and becomes dependent upon him. In this transference of feeling, which the patient had for his parents, to the physician the grown person displays all the characteristics of the child at heart, a child who distorts reality in order to relieve his helplessness and fears.

Freud saw these transference phenomena as the form of human suggestibility that makes the control over another, as displayed by hypnosis, as being possible. Hypnosis seems mysterious and mystifying to us only because we hide our slavish need for authority from our self. We live the big lie, which lay within this need to submit our self slavishly to another, because we want to think of our self as self-determined and independent in judgment and choice.

The predisposition to hypnosis is identical to that which gives rise to transference and it is characteristic of all sapiens. We could not function as adults if we retained this submissive attitude to our parents, however, this attitude of submissiveness, as noted by Ferenczi, is “The need to be subject to someone remains; only the part of the father is transferred to teachers, superiors, impressive personalities; the submissive loyalty to rulers that is so widespread is also a transference of this sort.”

Freud saw immediately that when caught up in groups wo/man became dependent children once again. They abandoned their individual egos for that of the leader; they identified with their leader and proceeded to function with him as their ideal. Freud identified man, not as a herd animal but as a horde (teeming crowd) animal that is led by a chief. Wo/man has an insatiable need for authority.

People have an insatiable need to be hypnotized by authority; they seek a magical protection as when they were infants protected by their mother. This is the force that acts to hold groups together, intertwined within a mutually constructed but often mindless interdependence. This mindless group think also builds a feeling of potency. The members feel a sense of unity within the grasp of their leadership.

What do the following entities have in common: fascism, capitalism, communism, political parties, and religions? They all have a common characteristic that can be called “group mind”.

What is striking is that members of these entities often undergo a major change in behavior just by being members of such entities. Under certain conditions individuals who become members of these groups behave differently than they would as individuals. These individuals acquire the characteristics of a ‘psychological group’.

What is the nature of the ‘group mind’, i.e. the mental changes such individuals undergo as a result of becoming a group?


A bond develops much like cells which constitute a living body—group mind is more of an unconscious than a conscious force—there are motives for action that elude conscious attention—distinctiveness and individuality become group behavior based upon unconscious motives—there develops a sentiment of invincible power, anonymous and irresponsible attitudes--repressions of unconscious forces under normal situations are ignored—conscience which results from social anxiety disappear.

Contagion sets in—hypnotic order becomes prevalent—individuals sacrifice personal interest for the group interest.

Suggestibility, of which contagion is a symptom, leads to the lose of conscious personality—the individual follows suggestions for actions totally contradictory to person conscience—hypnotic like fascination sets in—will and discernment vanishes—direction is taken from the leader in an hypnotic like manner—the conscious personality disappears.

“Moreover, by the mere fact that he forms part of an organized group, a man descends several rungs in the ladder of civilization.” Isolated, he may be a cultivated individual; in a crowd, he is a barbarian—a creature acting by instinct. “He possesses the spontaneity, the violence, the ferocity, and also the enthusiasm and heroism of primitive beings.”

There is a lowering of intellectual ability “pointing to its similarity with the mental life of primitive people and of children…A group is credulous and easily influenced”—the improbable seldom exists—they think in images—feelings are very simple and exaggerated—the group knows neither doubt nor uncertainty—extremes are prevalent, antipathy becomes hate and suspicion becomes certainty.

Force is king—force is respected and obeyed without question—kindness is weakness—tradition is triumphant—words have a magical power—supernatural powers are easily accepted—groups never thirst for truth, they demand illusions—the unreal receives precedence over the real—the group is an obedient herd—prestige is a source for domination, however it “is also dependent upon success, and is lost in the event of failure”.

‘Why are groups so blind and stupid?’ Freud asked; and he replied that mankind lived by self delusion. They “constantly give what is unreal precedence over what is real.” The real world is too frightening to behold; delusion changes this by making sapiens seem important. This explains the terrible sadism we see in group activity.

I do not wish to admit it but Hitler’s Germany resulted from normal humans acting like normal humans.

Quotes are from Freud and his book “Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego”. I discovered that Freud had turned to the Frenchman Gustave Le Bon for empirical data on group behavior.

Gustave Le Bon was a French social psychologist, sociologist, and amateur physicist. His work on crowd psychology became important in the first half of the twentieth century. Le Bon was one of the great popularizers of theories of the unconscious at a critical moment in the formation of new theories of sociology.


The Century of the Self
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2637635365191428174
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You seem to have gotten a lot of insight from the TV program you watched. The problem with many such explanations of fascism and authority cults is that they reproduce the group-logic that leads individuals to feel powerless and submit in the way they describe and explain the phenomena. So you end up with what feels like a liberating study of fascism at a distance, but in effect works as fascist propaganda by promoting the idea that fascism is very natural, socially contagious, that humans actually merge into groups instead of this just being part of the individual psychosis, etc.

That last point is very important. If you read the last part of your post, you are referring to humans as "groups," instead of as individuals hypnotized by group-submission fantasy. Do you see how this in itself promotes such a fantasy as something achievable in reality? Actually, humans are never really capable of existing as anything other than individuals, but as a result of their ego's being shamed to the point of fleeing, they search for opportunities to get away with things they wouldn't be able to get away with in a context of individual responsibility and accountability. Submitting to authority and conforming to de-individualizing, shared characteristic defined as a collective identity, are two avenues for escaping the weight or burden of standing and acting as an individual.

The other reason these explanations of fascism have a propaganda effect is that they rarely provide or promote alternatives to fascism or techniques for building up strength as an individual. Individualism and freedom ideologies are well-established. The governmental form of "republic" for example is one that replaces centralized leadership with decentralized self-leadership of individuals in democratic dialogue with other self-leading individuals. Without such alternatives, critique of fascism can generate fear of fascism, which itself produces the child-like authoritarian submission that causes fascism in the first place.

This is the propaganda technique that I believe is most effective in maintaining the power of Hitler's image and the threat of fascism and holocaust up to today. Modern individuals can be brought to a high level of submission and support for authoritarian governance and economic control by convincing them that WWII era fascism was the result of economic crisis prior to the rise of fascism. Then, as a consequence of that fear, they repeat the same behavior of authoritarian submission, which revitalizes the fascism. Plus, the alternatives of individualism, freedom, republic, etc. are demonized as being aggressive ideologies of the strong against the weak, which further polarizes them in the direction of fascism because they fear the alternative to fascism as itself a form of fascism.

Once people are convinced that only fascism exists, it is inevitable, and their is no escape, i.e. that "resistance is futile," they have effectively been manipulated to deny the very possibility of freedom and individuality in their minds. Hence the deep need for alternatives that promote faith in freedom and strength in individuality.
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Do you feel like a cipher in our culture?


No. We still have the power to be the rugged individualists you described in your OP, to influence the world around us. The modern economic system [and the many political, cultural, and other ideologies which are simply extensions of it] tries to make us believe otherwise because if everybody were to realize their power as individuals the system would not work. It needs to maintain a certain [steadily increasing] degree of conformity. As light in the tunnel put it: it needs to subordinate individuals to system-logic, which ultimately translates into a form of slavery.

I personally do not subject myself to this system. I am self employed, self sufficient, master of the technology i use [i.e. Linux user, backyard mechanic], and steadily influencing the world around me through my work.

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Do you feel like a cipher in our culture?


No. We still have the power to be the rugged individualists you described in your OP, to influence the world around us. The modern economic system [and the many political, cultural, and other ideologies which are simply extensions of it] tries to make us believe otherwise because if everybody were to realize their power as individuals the system would not work. It needs to maintain a certain [steadily increasing] degree of conformity. As light in the tunnel put it: it needs to subordinate individuals to system-logic, which ultimately translates into a form of slavery.

I personally do not subject myself to this system. I am self employed, self sufficient, master of the technology i use [i.e. Linux user, backyard mechanic], and steadily influencing the world around me through my work.

Modern economics is now the study of scarcity, prices, and resource allocation.


Very true. It is the logical outcome of a system based on collectivist logic. There are alternatives - but until people realize their potential as individuals these alternatives cannot be implemented. One alternative, that is quickly becoming feasible, is a post-scarcity based economic system, like the Venus Project.

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The governmental form of "republic" for example is one that replaces centralized leadership with decentralized self-leadership of individuals in democratic dialogue with other self-leading individuals


Democracy is a sham. Everybody has a say in the government, but there is still a government. There is still people governing other people; Restricting their freedom. It is simply mob rule.

Collectivist logic will tell you that this is necessary, that it is good for the nation as a whole. This may have been true for a long time, but with emerging technologies it is becoming possible to have more efficient forms of co-existence.
light in the tunnel
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Democracy is a sham. Everybody has a say in the government, but there is still a government. There is still people governing other people; Restricting their freedom. It is simply mob rule.


I think people miss the big picture of what's actually happening with democracy. Democracy is about checking and balancing power in a way that prevents autocratic, unilateral forms of power from dominating others. In a republic, individuals are supposed to be governing themselves. When they fail to do this, and look toward central government institutions to govern, representative democracy puts a mirror of their own ineffectuality up in front of them. The will to rule by collective central delegation is balanced by the frustration of inefficient, ineffective government. The lesson is always the same: if you want something done, you have to do it yourself.

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Collectivist logic will tell you that this is necessary, that it is good for the nation as a whole. This may have been true for a long time, but with emerging technologies it is becoming possible to have more efficient forms of co-existence.

The "nation as a whole" is a republic, meaning that the ultimate goal of any collectivizing force is, should, or will be decentralization of power to individuals. The crown of the king is only ever supposed to be a temporary tool for overcoming collectivizing tendencies before they absorb all faith in individual power.
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