In the words of RobDegraves in the administrative joke thread,
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QUOTE (rpenner @ Jun 22 2009, 09:03 AM)
Firstly, I am primarily interested in things that happen now.
Secondly, it doesn't matter what other people have done in the past when I wasn't moderating then.
Thirdly, other than our actual crazy posters, I don't know of anyone who tried to pass off more than a screenful of plagiarized words as their own, so if you can be bothered to find current users who did that in the past, I would be interested.
Fourthly, even if that is the case, that has nothing do with your guilt or innocence.
And Finally, the quote above, even if it was meant sarcastically, does not do you any good service. We expect our disgruntled users to explain why they are disgruntled and work to remedy the situation like persons of honor. Nevertheless, past experience has taught us that no such expectation of worthy behavior must go untested and when individuals at time are found to fail that standards, then the community must regretfully resort to violence. As it turns out, a lot of [B]violence and creative use of force and intelligence is needed just to keep ad-men out.[/B] Given this environment, it's really not in your best interests to argue with a moderator who has taken the time to give you a fact-based rebuke and challenge him to take the much, much easier option.
And all along I thought I was the one making judgments about who or what was worthy. Does this mean Ad-hoMENim like Occidental?
Nevertheless, past experience has taught us that no such expectation of worthy behavior
I'm not challenging you to take the easy option, I am challenging you to take the hard option. I am curious about three things, what are your standards, who is worthy, and is intelligent violence and oxymoron, like friendly fire?
Just curious...
In the original post where you pasted a bunch of stuff that was not properly identified as being from someone else... I gave you the opportunity to simply say it was an error. Not only did you not take that opportunity but you have ceaselessly attacked all and sundry over the matter.
I am not in favor of swearing or of ad hominems in general... however in this particular case, the honorable thing to do would be to take the matter as done and move on with posts that demonstrate your intelligence and knowledge, if you have such to demonstrate, and show others that they are wrong by your actions. This post smacks of wounded ego ... not honor.
In the original post where you pasted a bunch of stuff that was not properly identified as being from someone else... I gave you the opportunity to simply say it was an error. Not only did you not take that opportunity but you have ceaselessly attacked all and sundry over the matter.
I am not in favor of swearing or of ad hominems in general... however in this particular case, the honorable thing to do would be to take the matter as done and move on with posts that demonstrate your intelligence and knowledge, if you have such to demonstrate, and show others that they are wrong by your actions. This post smacks of wounded ego ... not honor.
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jun 30 2009, 03:42 PM)
Just curious...
In the original post where you pasted a bunch of stuff that was not properly identified as being from someone else... I gave you the opportunity to simply say it was an error. Not only did you not take that opportunity but you have ceaselessly attacked all and sundry over the matter.
I am not in favor of swearing or of ad hominems in general... however in this particular case, the honorable thing to do would be to take the matter as done and move on with posts that demonstrate your intelligence and knowledge, if you have such to demonstrate, and show others that they are wrong by your actions. This post smacks of wounded ego ... not honor.
I'm curious, are you rpenner? I wasn't aware that you gave me the option to admit anything, I thought rpenner did? Did you have a Freudian slip? I admitted to failing to properly quote or cite a source. Is that not acceptable?
I am following his guidelines, precisely the underline portion, and even more exactly the bold portion.
In the original post where you pasted a bunch of stuff that was not properly identified as being from someone else... I gave you the opportunity to simply say it was an error. Not only did you not take that opportunity but you have ceaselessly attacked all and sundry over the matter.
I am not in favor of swearing or of ad hominems in general... however in this particular case, the honorable thing to do would be to take the matter as done and move on with posts that demonstrate your intelligence and knowledge, if you have such to demonstrate, and show others that they are wrong by your actions. This post smacks of wounded ego ... not honor.
I'm curious, are you rpenner? I wasn't aware that you gave me the option to admit anything, I thought rpenner did? Did you have a Freudian slip? I admitted to failing to properly quote or cite a source. Is that not acceptable?
I am following his guidelines, precisely the underline portion, and even more exactly the bold portion.
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And Finally, the quote above, even if it was meant sarcastically, does not do you any good service. We expect our disgruntled users to explain why they are disgruntled and work to remedy the situation like persons of honor. Nevertheless, past experience has taught us that no such expectation of worthy behavior must go untested and when individuals at time are found to fail that standards, then the community must regretfully resort to violence. As it turns out, a lot of violence and creative use of force and intelligence is needed just to keep ad-men out. Given this environment, it's really not in your best interests to argue with a moderator who has taken the time to give you a fact-based rebuke and challenge him to take the much, much easier option.
QUOTE (Meem+Jun 22 2009, 12:01 PM)
Occidental, go shove your head in a backed-up truck-stop toilet and catch the choclate fish.
Is that your version of "intelligent violence"?
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Is that your version of "intelligent violence"?
Why no silly, it's
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As it turns out, a lot of violence and creative use of force and intelligence is needed just to keep ad-men out
I do believe I was sock-puppet, crank, some sort of mystical swammie, a holy roller, a religious wack-job, judging through crazy crack-pot methods who is and is not worthy of my vast knowledge and wisdom ..... amongst many other things before I
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I do believe I was sock-puppet, crank, some sort of mystical swammie, a holy roller, a religious wack-job, judging through crazy crack-pot methods who is and is not worthy of my vast knowledge and wisdom ..... amongst many other things before I
must regretfully resort to violence
I am just following the guidelines as they are allowed to carry on, and play out. We don't want to conduct business in the forum, it's much more entertaining to watch men fight in games of killing sport at the coliseum.
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Thirdly, other than our actual crazy posters,
Does this mean rpenner doesn't think I am actually crazy, but yet ... it was continuously allowed for my character to be attacked, by people like you. But I don't have any right to be mad, do I?
Who cares?
Hmmm... you really seem to be pointlessly antagonistic on this ... or for that matter most subjects.
Yes.. I did.
This was my post after your plagiarism incident....
Yes.. I did.
This was my post after your plagiarism incident....
Ahem....
Occidental may be a bit... abrasive... with his post but he does have a number of points. Particularly this one...
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Stolen word for word.
I might be more forgiving and assume you just forgot to include it as a quoted reference, however...
If you plan on being an educator you really need to learn not to even give the appearance of plagiarism. In academic circles it could really prove to be an albatross you might find hard to get rid of.
Note that I was willing to assume you just forgot.
Your response was...
The rest of the post is a long rant about the rules of grammar being broken being the same as plagiarism.
Seriously... at this point it's nearly incoherent in your attempts to justify yourself and attack anyone else that doesn't agree with you.
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I wasn't aware that you gave me the option to admit anything, I thought rpenner did?
Yes.. I did.
This was my post after your plagiarism incident....
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Yes.. I did.
This was my post after your plagiarism incident....
Ahem....
Occidental may be a bit... abrasive... with his post but he does have a number of points. Particularly this one...
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Stolen word for word.
I might be more forgiving and assume you just forgot to include it as a quoted reference, however...
If you plan on being an educator you really need to learn not to even give the appearance of plagiarism. In academic circles it could really prove to be an albatross you might find hard to get rid of.
Note that I was willing to assume you just forgot.
Your response was...
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POINT PROVEN --- ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC RULES OF GRAMMAR AND WRITTING
Score 1 Meem, because you all seem to agree.
Occidental, go shove your head in a backed-up truck-stop toilet and catch the choclate fish.
Score 1 Meem, because you all seem to agree.
Occidental, go shove your head in a backed-up truck-stop toilet and catch the choclate fish.
The rest of the post is a long rant about the rules of grammar being broken being the same as plagiarism.
Seriously... at this point it's nearly incoherent in your attempts to justify yourself and attack anyone else that doesn't agree with you.
Well see, I was under the impression, this post was not about the past, nor about me and you, and was about me and rpenner. I am trying to operate on the guidelines of behavior, honor and justice clearly given, and again, in the outline of rpenner's words,
Is this about that past, or what's being done in these two threads?
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26105&st=0
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?act=idx
Am I committing plagiarism here, right now? Are you the moderator? And let me remind you what the moderator said, in case you forgot,
Is this about that past, or what's being done in these two threads?
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26105&st=0
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?act=idx
Am I committing plagiarism here, right now? Are you the moderator? And let me remind you what the moderator said, in case you forgot,
Firstly, I am primarily interested in things that happen now.
Secondly, it doesn't matter what other people have done in the past when I wasn't moderating then.
There is no moderation taking place in either of these 2 threads, RIGHT NOW.
On a side note, there is also another thread, right now ..
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=25710&st=165
And read what you said .... If I am forced to entertain what has been done in the past.
And read what you said .... If I am forced to entertain what has been done in the past.
I might be more forgiving and assume you just forgot to include it as a quoted reference,
And I said in my first very pissed off an abrssive repsone to Occidental's trash talk...
Now if we really want to dig up the past and how it is you first addressed me as being delusional ... sure, I'm gonna receive your remarks very closely to Occidental's. You are after all, backing him up.
"You could just say, he's a prickish idiot, but he's my prickish idiot. I'd rather have someone that I can control rahter than some prickish know it all challenge me. I don't care if he offends you, even if it's radical, offensive, and out of line."
Notice how you used a reply directed at Occidental to indicate how I replied to you. I have maintained, for the most part, the same amount of civility directed at me right back at the people directing. But again, it's just clear that I have no right to be mad, however, you do.
Are you attributing that line to me?
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Firstly, I am primarily interested in things that happen now.
Secondly, it doesn't matter what other people have done in the past when I wasn't moderating then.
Firstly, I am primarily interested in things that happen now.
Secondly, it doesn't matter what other people have done in the past when I wasn't moderating then.
Is this about that past, or what's being done in these two threads?
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26105&st=0
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?act=idx
Am I committing plagiarism here, right now? Are you the moderator? And let me remind you what the moderator said, in case you forgot,
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Is this about that past, or what's being done in these two threads?
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26105&st=0
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?act=idx
Am I committing plagiarism here, right now? Are you the moderator? And let me remind you what the moderator said, in case you forgot,
Firstly, I am primarily interested in things that happen now.
Secondly, it doesn't matter what other people have done in the past when I wasn't moderating then.
There is no moderation taking place in either of these 2 threads, RIGHT NOW.
On a side note, there is also another thread, right now ..
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=25710&st=165
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Meem Posted: Yesterday at 5:00 PM
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MjolnirPants Posted: Jun 24 2009, 11:36 PM
Negative Complete f-uс-k-ing mоrоn.
This is what I call abuse of the feedback option. Very scientific and honorable commentary. Jerry Springer would be proud. I am sure, I have no valid reason to become "disgruntled," and this is an indication of my lack of honor and integrity.
I had a discussion after a test in class the other day. A younger guy, and a girl, asked me about a question on the test for sociology.
"What did you put for the guy that is with his friends, and one of them tells a racial joke. He thinks it's wrong but he doesn't say anything."
1) unprejudiced non-discriminator (his choice)
2) unprejudiced discriminator
3) prejudice non-discriminator
4) prejudice discriminator
I told him/her the answer was 2. And he began to argue with me about it. "Because he doesn't say anything doesn't make him a discriminator." He, the student, didn't seem to get the concept. I tried offering various ways to illustrate the issue, but I think he was more concerned with him being right (and not being a discriminator) rather than what was right. "Just because they are wrong doesn't make me wrong, for not saying anything ... I don't want to get involved."
It would be like walking out into the street, and then saying it's not my fault that the driver ran me over, he should have been able to stop. Should you be running out in the street in-front of cars? Could the driver not blame you for running out in-front of him? Who's really at fault? Then he tried to argue the conditions of this example with traffic laws, stop lights, and cross-walks. I simply asked, did I imply that any of these conditions were present in the instance I described, or are you now implying them?
I also said to him/her ...
"To get back to what you originally said, about not saying anything about the racist joke ... if you saw a murder and did not report it, if the law found out later that you had, you would be found guilty of a crime ... especially if you were asked about it ... being the joke -was it a racist joke- and you said you didn't see the murder or hear the joke when you in-fact did. This has something to do with character and integrity, you'll figure out more about that as you grow up and get into more a greater diversity of situations and people."
He still wouldn't accept that, until in class the next day when he told me, "I have to ask her, I can't be wrong." Needless to say, he seemed more willing to accept the rule of the authoritative figure, Phd. Stevens ... not me, but that is fine with me. I agree with her, and the concept presented and taught to my class, even if everyone doesn't seem to get it, when perfectly capable of doing so ... out of vanity.
It has something to do with the same thing that is occurring in the "can science be honest thread," and my brief exchange with Rpenner.
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MjolnirPants Posted: Jun 24 2009, 11:36 PM
Negative Complete f-uс-k-ing mоrоn.
This is what I call abuse of the feedback option. Very scientific and honorable commentary. Jerry Springer would be proud. I am sure, I have no valid reason to become "disgruntled," and this is an indication of my lack of honor and integrity.
I had a discussion after a test in class the other day. A younger guy, and a girl, asked me about a question on the test for sociology.
"What did you put for the guy that is with his friends, and one of them tells a racial joke. He thinks it's wrong but he doesn't say anything."
1) unprejudiced non-discriminator (his choice)
2) unprejudiced discriminator
3) prejudice non-discriminator
4) prejudice discriminator
I told him/her the answer was 2. And he began to argue with me about it. "Because he doesn't say anything doesn't make him a discriminator." He, the student, didn't seem to get the concept. I tried offering various ways to illustrate the issue, but I think he was more concerned with him being right (and not being a discriminator) rather than what was right. "Just because they are wrong doesn't make me wrong, for not saying anything ... I don't want to get involved."
It would be like walking out into the street, and then saying it's not my fault that the driver ran me over, he should have been able to stop. Should you be running out in the street in-front of cars? Could the driver not blame you for running out in-front of him? Who's really at fault? Then he tried to argue the conditions of this example with traffic laws, stop lights, and cross-walks. I simply asked, did I imply that any of these conditions were present in the instance I described, or are you now implying them?
I also said to him/her ...
"To get back to what you originally said, about not saying anything about the racist joke ... if you saw a murder and did not report it, if the law found out later that you had, you would be found guilty of a crime ... especially if you were asked about it ... being the joke -was it a racist joke- and you said you didn't see the murder or hear the joke when you in-fact did. This has something to do with character and integrity, you'll figure out more about that as you grow up and get into more a greater diversity of situations and people."
He still wouldn't accept that, until in class the next day when he told me, "I have to ask her, I can't be wrong." Needless to say, he seemed more willing to accept the rule of the authoritative figure, Phd. Stevens ... not me, but that is fine with me. I agree with her, and the concept presented and taught to my class, even if everyone doesn't seem to get it, when perfectly capable of doing so ... out of vanity.
It has something to do with the same thing that is occurring in the "can science be honest thread," and my brief exchange with Rpenner.
And read what you said .... If I am forced to entertain what has been done in the past.
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| Meem Posted: Yesterday at 5:00 PM QUOTE MjolnirPants Posted: Jun 24 2009, 11:36 PM Negative Complete f-uс-k-ing mоrоn. This is what I call abuse of the feedback option. Very scientific and honorable commentary. Jerry Springer would be proud. I am sure, I have no valid reason to become "disgruntled," and this is an indication of my lack of honor and integrity. I had a discussion after a test in class the other day. A younger guy, and a girl, asked me about a question on the test for sociology. "What did you put for the guy that is with his friends, and one of them tells a racial joke. He thinks it's wrong but he doesn't say anything." 1) unprejudiced non-discriminator (his choice) 2) unprejudiced discriminator 3) prejudice non-discriminator 4) prejudice discriminator I told him/her the answer was 2. And he began to argue with me about it. "Because he doesn't say anything doesn't make him a discriminator." He, the student, didn't seem to get the concept. I tried offering various ways to illustrate the issue, but I think he was more concerned with him being right (and not being a discriminator) rather than what was right. "Just because they are wrong doesn't make me wrong, for not saying anything ... I don't want to get involved." It would be like walking out into the street, and then saying it's not my fault that the driver ran me over, he should have been able to stop. Should you be running out in the street in-front of cars? Could the driver not blame you for running out in-front of him? Who's really at fault? Then he tried to argue the conditions of this example with traffic laws, stop lights, and cross-walks. I simply asked, did I imply that any of these conditions were present in the instance I described, or are you now implying them? I also said to him/her ... "To get back to what you originally said, about not saying anything about the racist joke ... if you saw a murder and did not report it, if the law found out later that you had, you would be found guilty of a crime ... especially if you were asked about it ... being the joke -was it a racist joke- and you said you didn't see the murder or hear the joke when you in-fact did. This has something to do with character and integrity, you'll figure out more about that as you grow up and get into more a greater diversity of situations and people." He still wouldn't accept that, until in class the next day when he told me, "I have to ask her, I can't be wrong." Needless to say, he seemed more willing to accept the rule of the authoritative figure, Phd. Stevens ... not me, but that is fine with me. I agree with her, and the concept presented and taught to my class, even if everyone doesn't seem to get it, when perfectly capable of doing so ... out of vanity. It has something to do with the same thing that is occurring in the "can science be honest thread," and my brief exchange with Rpenner. |
And read what you said .... If I am forced to entertain what has been done in the past.
I might be more forgiving and assume you just forgot to include it as a quoted reference,
And I said in my first very pissed off an abrssive repsone to Occidental's trash talk...
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I made a reference about being a soft determinist earlier. Did I fail to quote. Sure, did I hand in a paper... making a specific ... claim that work was mine .. no. It's funny how now the rules LARGEST RULES of English must be applied, to something as simple as a quotation mark. We can ignore what the apostrophe means in Occam's Razor, because that is just simple punctuation like quotations.
Now if we really want to dig up the past and how it is you first addressed me as being delusional ... sure, I'm gonna receive your remarks very closely to Occidental's. You are after all, backing him up.
"You could just say, he's a prickish idiot, but he's my prickish idiot. I'd rather have someone that I can control rahter than some prickish know it all challenge me. I don't care if he offends you, even if it's radical, offensive, and out of line."
Notice how you used a reply directed at Occidental to indicate how I replied to you. I have maintained, for the most part, the same amount of civility directed at me right back at the people directing. But again, it's just clear that I have no right to be mad, however, you do.
You are, after all, the one who plagiarized the work of other people. And you still dont seem to think theres anything wrong with it. The person who wrote those words had the right to be given the credit for what they wrote. You failed to give them that credit. As a result, youre a plagiarizer.
As for the rest of your rant, its not my fault that you cant back up your empty rhetoric. Im not the one who claimed there were some kind of rules to spirituality, or how real science fits in with god. Take some responsibility for what youve said, Meem.
As for the rest of your rant, its not my fault that you cant back up your empty rhetoric. Im not the one who claimed there were some kind of rules to spirituality, or how real science fits in with god. Take some responsibility for what youve said, Meem.
QUOTE (Meem+Jun 30 2009, 08:25 PM)
Where is rpenner's moderation when it is needed? Do the people attacking my honor or character not need to be moderated? Is this an honorable practice? Is this an honorable website? I think not.
Let me categorically state, meem, that I personally believe RPenner to be honourable. In fact, perhaps to the extreme....
Definition:
Honour
Noun
1. allegiance to moral principles
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/honour
While I may, perhaps, believe RPenner's allegiance to his own moral code blinds him at times, I want to make the point in no uncertain terms that honour is a relative term. And on those relative terms I believe RPenner to be honourable.
Remember:
Just because one is not faithful to another's moral principles does not mean they are not faithful to their own.
Best,
Raphie
P.S. I state this, of course, even as I have publicly taken issue with some of RPenner's actions (or lack thereof) as moderator.
Let me categorically state, meem, that I personally believe RPenner to be honourable. In fact, perhaps to the extreme....
Definition:
Honour
Noun
1. allegiance to moral principles
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/honour
While I may, perhaps, believe RPenner's allegiance to his own moral code blinds him at times, I want to make the point in no uncertain terms that honour is a relative term. And on those relative terms I believe RPenner to be honourable.
Remember:
Just because one is not faithful to another's moral principles does not mean they are not faithful to their own.
Best,
Raphie
P.S. I state this, of course, even as I have publicly taken issue with some of RPenner's actions (or lack thereof) as moderator.
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"You could just say, he's a prickish idiot, but he's my prickish idiot. I'd rather have someone that I can control rahter than some prickish know it all challenge me. I don't care if he offends you, even if it's radical, offensive, and out of line."
Are you attributing that line to me?
QUOTE (Meem+Jun 30 2009, 09:03 PM)
Does this mean rpenner doesn't think I am actually crazy, but yet ... it was continuously allowed for my character to be attacked, by people like you. But I don't have any right to be mad, do I?
Meem, please listen to me. When one is an unconventional thinker, especially one with a commitment to his or her ideas, one will almost always find oneself under fire. Please trust me on this, because I have considerable experience being an "outside the box" thinker and am well used to being called names. (Related Anecdote: I could fill an entire post with the names an "Intelligent Design" advocate called me just the other day at the Turkey's Nest here in Williamsburg, Brooklyn when I would not agree with him. I asked him for his name so that I could hold him to his words publicly and he gave it to me: "Ronald McDonald")
In any case, from a power dynamic standpoint, IT DOES NOT MATTER if you are right or wrong with regards to "this or that." What matters is not just what other people think, but what they are willing to act upon.
The situations, typically, that spur others to (social) action are those where they perceive an injustice to have been committed (one they could imagine themselves also being subjected to...). Where such perception is lacking, no action will LIKELY be forthcoming, because most people act from self-interest, including when they act in a seemingly altruistic manner. And what I mean by this, is that they are practicing the "Golden Rule," otherwise known as doing unto others as they would have those others do unto them (This includes me. I defend, often, the "different" because I am also "different.").
The point is this:
If you get mad, if you get offended; THAT, more often than not, will be used by those who don't agree with you as "justification" for their, perhaps, wrongly held, initial impression of you.
Solution?
I don't know.
But I do know this:
Getting "mad," typically (not always), is part of the set one might term 'the set of all "not solutions."'
Best,
Raphie
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P.S. In relation to the above stated anecdote, "Ronald," at the Turkey's Nest, got so mad, for the record, and admitted this, because the views I was putting out there "seemed" so similar to his own. He simply could not "get," my quotations of Einstein notwithstanding, that one can believe in "order," yet not in some guiding intelligence behind that order. The particular irony of this entire episode is that several upon this forum have charged me with being an advocate for "Intelligent Design," a school of thought I find quite aburd.
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P.P.S. While I have no specific citations to offer, I believe a review of the social psychological literature would support the following statement:
"most people act from self-interest, including when they act in a seemingly altruistic manner."
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Meem, please listen to me. When one is an unconventional thinker, especially one with a commitment to his or her ideas, one will almost always find oneself under fire. Please trust me on this, because I have considerable experience being an "outside the box" thinker and am well used to being called names. (Related Anecdote: I could fill an entire post with the names an "Intelligent Design" advocate called me just the other day at the Turkey's Nest here in Williamsburg, Brooklyn when I would not agree with him. I asked him for his name so that I could hold him to his words publicly and he gave it to me: "Ronald McDonald")
In any case, from a power dynamic standpoint, IT DOES NOT MATTER if you are right or wrong with regards to "this or that." What matters is not just what other people think, but what they are willing to act upon.
The situations, typically, that spur others to (social) action are those where they perceive an injustice to have been committed (one they could imagine themselves also being subjected to...). Where such perception is lacking, no action will LIKELY be forthcoming, because most people act from self-interest, including when they act in a seemingly altruistic manner. And what I mean by this, is that they are practicing the "Golden Rule," otherwise known as doing unto others as they would have those others do unto them (This includes me. I defend, often, the "different" because I am also "different.").
The point is this:
If you get mad, if you get offended; THAT, more often than not, will be used by those who don't agree with you as "justification" for their, perhaps, wrongly held, initial impression of you.
Solution?
I don't know.
But I do know this:
Getting "mad," typically (not always), is part of the set one might term 'the set of all "not solutions."'
Best,
Raphie
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P.S. In relation to the above stated anecdote, "Ronald," at the Turkey's Nest, got so mad, for the record, and admitted this, because the views I was putting out there "seemed" so similar to his own. He simply could not "get," my quotations of Einstein notwithstanding, that one can believe in "order," yet not in some guiding intelligence behind that order. The particular irony of this entire episode is that several upon this forum have charged me with being an advocate for "Intelligent Design," a school of thought I find quite aburd.
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P.P.S. While I have no specific citations to offer, I believe a review of the social psychological literature would support the following statement:
"most people act from self-interest, including when they act in a seemingly altruistic manner."
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meem, seriously, if you would just leave without making such a fuss, i'm sure this whole ordeal would be causing you a lot LESS stress. You can argue, and dictate your rights and other peoples responsibilities, however you don't seem to understand that we care very little.
Let me use a similar situation: A person is "unjustly" fired from their employment, so they make a fuss and they have legally re-obtained their job. Unjustly as in the employer and fellow employees are sick of him/her, but cannot find a legal reason to rid of him in a timely fashion. You are like the employee, sure you can come back, but why would you want to?
The only incorrect usage of that example is however you were justly removed (temporarily albeit).
What is it that Physforum has to offer you that you are fighting so dearly for? You are trying to just get the last word in, and it clearly isn't working. This is not legal court, there is no action you can take except suck it up and leave with what dignity you have, before that is stripped of you too. Believe me, you are losing it quickly with every post of desperation you make.
If you go and take perhaps a month or so long breather, there is a chance you could return and we will have all forgotten about this. The more you bring this up, the deeper it is embedded into our brains, and the longer this "breather" will have to be.
To be blunt, this is a no-win situation. You however decide how much you are willing to lose, be it as little as this argument, or as much as a permanent IP ban.
Let me use a similar situation: A person is "unjustly" fired from their employment, so they make a fuss and they have legally re-obtained their job. Unjustly as in the employer and fellow employees are sick of him/her, but cannot find a legal reason to rid of him in a timely fashion. You are like the employee, sure you can come back, but why would you want to?
The only incorrect usage of that example is however you were justly removed (temporarily albeit).
What is it that Physforum has to offer you that you are fighting so dearly for? You are trying to just get the last word in, and it clearly isn't working. This is not legal court, there is no action you can take except suck it up and leave with what dignity you have, before that is stripped of you too. Believe me, you are losing it quickly with every post of desperation you make.
If you go and take perhaps a month or so long breather, there is a chance you could return and we will have all forgotten about this. The more you bring this up, the deeper it is embedded into our brains, and the longer this "breather" will have to be.
To be blunt, this is a no-win situation. You however decide how much you are willing to lose, be it as little as this argument, or as much as a permanent IP ban.
RF,
Thank you for making that point about rpenner being a man of 'honour' - I would have done the same for no reason other than to establish something which I (sincerely) believe to be a fact.
Meem,
This is a physics forum and I have no reason to believe that someone of rpenner's calibre gives up his time to delete pornographic spam so you have a clear field to fire insults at him.
-C2
Thank you for making that point about rpenner being a man of 'honour' - I would have done the same for no reason other than to establish something which I (sincerely) believe to be a fact.
Meem,
This is a physics forum and I have no reason to believe that someone of rpenner's calibre gives up his time to delete pornographic spam so you have a clear field to fire insults at him.
-C2
QUOTE (occidental+Jun 30 2009, 06:42 PM)
You are, after all, the one who plagiarized the work of other people. And you still dont seem to think theres anything wrong with it. The person who wrote those words had the right to be given the credit for what they wrote. You failed to give them that credit. As a result, youre a plagiarizer.
As for the rest of your rant, its not my fault that you cant back up your empty rhetoric. Im not the one who claimed there were some kind of rules to spirituality, or how real science fits in with god. Take some responsibility for what youve said, Meem.
Still talking about the past aren't we?
Follow the rules.
I am not talking about that thread. Did I link that thread, did I reference that thread, in the context what you were doing, or anyone else was doing, in that thread Occidental? No, I did not. The OP is directed at rpenner in regards to you current action. No matter how many times I catch lip or attitude, I can't return it without having to calm down? How many times have I compulsively posted negative nonsense in feed back? How many time have I admitted to getting "my rocks" off be devoting myself to immature behavior. How many time did you send me private messages before I blocked you Occidental? I replied once, and told you to piss off.
RobDegraves,
you seem like a decent guy, but I am sorry, yes ... that is what I imagine you might as well be saying to me, while taking up for occidental. If repenner is a very fine guy, I am sure he is more than capable of having this conversation with me himself, and doesn't need everyone speaking on his behalf. If he wishes it to be private fine, otherwise, I am going to follow what I have seen done, as done in the administrative court thread, and act according to the rules clearly illustrated to and applied to me. It kind of illustrates the point I made in that thread.
I need to relax? I am relaxed ... lol wow. I've been in far more stressful situations than this. Have you ever been in an airplane with heat flares popping out of both sides while flying over a combat zone? lol ... That's stressful. I am talking about the rules mentioned in that thread, and how they are not being applied currently in other threads.
Ralphie,
All the best, but there is a difference between morality and amorality. I am not so concerned about the children here acting like what they are telling me I am stupid or a fool. I know better. I am not concerned with popularity one bit. I am concerned with truth, and the truth isn't always popular, not is it always popular opinion. People can neg me to high heaven all they want with their stigmatic dogmas and extremist commentary and imagine that it somehow proves that they are truthful, just, moral, and scientifically superior. I am not concerned with perceptions, I am concerned with realities.
I saw a guy getting kicked in the ribs, with a bloody face in the barracks once. I was "friends" with the two guys doing it. When I saw what they were doing I broke it up and nearly got into a fight with one of them. I bent down on my knees and said, "kick me in the face if that is what makes you feel like a man." It didn't happen. I wasn't afraid to risk it, and I never will be. What's life without risk? What exactly could it be said I am in risk of losing here? Intelligent non-derogatory conversation with one person? Love ya man, but sorry I don't know you that well. I do appreciate the concern though.
To whom it may concern,
The forum wouldn't be losing anything by losing me, "since I is so stupid." It would be better served by holding onto someone like Occidental and giving him free reign of terror. I've seen plenty of threads where the moderator enters and makes comments, when speculative science comes into play, but when it's behavior ... nope, that's fine. I would suggest getting rid of the theoretical, creation/evolution, puzzling questions forums, if it's too much work. The tough questions, nix -em, since nobody wants to deal with them in a dignified manner. Stick to the easy stuff, like middle school science. Maybe institute some sort of flash game to play, could call it "Crank-Paranoia" the stigma continues. could have some unique weapons to bash the cranks with. Could spit on them, and call them names too it would be a great addition.
I would bet my life that if 90% of the people in here with the real attitude problems would not dare say 90% of what they placate in here in a "real-life" forum/format.
No really though, it's ok, the internet is just for porn, games, and malicious behavior ... why am I thinking people should act with respect here?
As for the rest of your rant, its not my fault that you cant back up your empty rhetoric. Im not the one who claimed there were some kind of rules to spirituality, or how real science fits in with god. Take some responsibility for what youve said, Meem.
Still talking about the past aren't we?
Follow the rules.
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(rpenner @ Jun 22 2009, 09:03 AM)
Firstly, I am primarily interested in things that happen now.
Secondly, it doesn't matter what other people have done in the past when I wasn't moderating then.
Firstly, I am primarily interested in things that happen now.
Secondly, it doesn't matter what other people have done in the past when I wasn't moderating then.
I am not talking about that thread. Did I link that thread, did I reference that thread, in the context what you were doing, or anyone else was doing, in that thread Occidental? No, I did not. The OP is directed at rpenner in regards to you current action. No matter how many times I catch lip or attitude, I can't return it without having to calm down? How many times have I compulsively posted negative nonsense in feed back? How many time have I admitted to getting "my rocks" off be devoting myself to immature behavior. How many time did you send me private messages before I blocked you Occidental? I replied once, and told you to piss off.
RobDegraves,
you seem like a decent guy, but I am sorry, yes ... that is what I imagine you might as well be saying to me, while taking up for occidental. If repenner is a very fine guy, I am sure he is more than capable of having this conversation with me himself, and doesn't need everyone speaking on his behalf. If he wishes it to be private fine, otherwise, I am going to follow what I have seen done, as done in the administrative court thread, and act according to the rules clearly illustrated to and applied to me. It kind of illustrates the point I made in that thread.
I need to relax? I am relaxed ... lol wow. I've been in far more stressful situations than this. Have you ever been in an airplane with heat flares popping out of both sides while flying over a combat zone? lol ... That's stressful. I am talking about the rules mentioned in that thread, and how they are not being applied currently in other threads.
Ralphie,
All the best, but there is a difference between morality and amorality. I am not so concerned about the children here acting like what they are telling me I am stupid or a fool. I know better. I am not concerned with popularity one bit. I am concerned with truth, and the truth isn't always popular, not is it always popular opinion. People can neg me to high heaven all they want with their stigmatic dogmas and extremist commentary and imagine that it somehow proves that they are truthful, just, moral, and scientifically superior. I am not concerned with perceptions, I am concerned with realities.
I saw a guy getting kicked in the ribs, with a bloody face in the barracks once. I was "friends" with the two guys doing it. When I saw what they were doing I broke it up and nearly got into a fight with one of them. I bent down on my knees and said, "kick me in the face if that is what makes you feel like a man." It didn't happen. I wasn't afraid to risk it, and I never will be. What's life without risk? What exactly could it be said I am in risk of losing here? Intelligent non-derogatory conversation with one person? Love ya man, but sorry I don't know you that well. I do appreciate the concern though.
To whom it may concern,
The forum wouldn't be losing anything by losing me, "since I is so stupid." It would be better served by holding onto someone like Occidental and giving him free reign of terror. I've seen plenty of threads where the moderator enters and makes comments, when speculative science comes into play, but when it's behavior ... nope, that's fine. I would suggest getting rid of the theoretical, creation/evolution, puzzling questions forums, if it's too much work. The tough questions, nix -em, since nobody wants to deal with them in a dignified manner. Stick to the easy stuff, like middle school science. Maybe institute some sort of flash game to play, could call it "Crank-Paranoia" the stigma continues. could have some unique weapons to bash the cranks with. Could spit on them, and call them names too it would be a great addition.
I would bet my life that if 90% of the people in here with the real attitude problems would not dare say 90% of what they placate in here in a "real-life" forum/format.
No really though, it's ok, the internet is just for porn, games, and malicious behavior ... why am I thinking people should act with respect here?
QUOTE (Confused2+Jun 30 2009, 08:33 PM)
RF,
Thank you for making that point about rpenner being a man of 'honour' - I would have done the same for no reason other than to establish something which I (sincerely) believe to be a fact.
Meem,
This is a physics forum and I have no reason to believe that someone of rpenner's calibre gives up his time to delete pornographic spam so you have a clear field to fire insults at him.
-C2
flyingbuttressman Posted: Jun 19 2009, 08:05 PM
Negative Willfully ignorant @$$hat. Apparently unfamiliar with the laws of the internet, which are: there are none.
DickMerry Posted: Yesterday at 8:26 PM
Negative Plagiarizer
hmm occidental? I'm sure he has given me more than one neg, not that I really care, comments are cute though.
Should be getting rid of crap like that, the stench of which tends to hang around, and becomes hard to shake. To each, his own.
I am not talking about that thread. Did I link that thread, did I reference that thread, in the context what you were doing, or anyone else was doing, in that thread Occidental? No, I did not.
Yes, you did.
Now if we really want to dig up the past and how it is you first addressed me as being delusional ... sure, I'm gonna receive your remarks very closely to Occidental's. You are after all, backing him up.
He was backing me up when I called you out for being a plagarizer, which you are. Try to see through your confusion and anger, Meem.
Thank you for making that point about rpenner being a man of 'honour' - I would have done the same for no reason other than to establish something which I (sincerely) believe to be a fact.
Meem,
This is a physics forum and I have no reason to believe that someone of rpenner's calibre gives up his time to delete pornographic spam so you have a clear field to fire insults at him.
-C2
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MjolnirPants Posted: Jun 24 2009, 11:36 PM
Negative Complete fuсking mоrоn.
Negative Complete fuсking mоrоn.
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flyingbuttressman Posted: Jun 19 2009, 08:05 PM
Negative Willfully ignorant @$$hat. Apparently unfamiliar with the laws of the internet, which are: there are none.
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Michael J Posted: Jun 19 2009, 12:09 AM
Negative Allahu Akbar! *kaaaboooooooom*
-From the racist, ignorant bigot
by the way, go buy a history textbook
Negative Allahu Akbar! *kaaaboooooooom*
-From the racist, ignorant bigot
by the way, go buy a history textbook
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| Michael J Posted: Jun 19 2009, 12:09 AM Negative Allahu Akbar! *kaaaboooooooom* -From the racist, ignorant bigot by the way, go buy a history textbook |
DickMerry Posted: Yesterday at 8:26 PM
Negative Plagiarizer
hmm occidental? I'm sure he has given me more than one neg, not that I really care, comments are cute though.
Should be getting rid of crap like that, the stench of which tends to hang around, and becomes hard to shake. To each, his own.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 01:58 AM)
Should be getting rid of crap like that, the stench of which tends to hang around, and becomes hard to shake. To each, his own.
Are you actively TRYING, meem, with such vitriolic dialogue, to lose all and any support on this forum?
You asked, meem, what you have "to lose."
I will tell you. By conducting yourself thusly, you are taking away one possible voice of common sense in relation to the issue of "online abuse." Namely, your own.
And if you lose, then any who share your concerns also lose.
Best,
Raphie
Are you actively TRYING, meem, with such vitriolic dialogue, to lose all and any support on this forum?
You asked, meem, what you have "to lose."
I will tell you. By conducting yourself thusly, you are taking away one possible voice of common sense in relation to the issue of "online abuse." Namely, your own.
And if you lose, then any who share your concerns also lose.
Best,
Raphie
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 01:53 AM)
I am not talking about that thread. Did I link that thread, did I reference that thread, in the context what you were doing, or anyone else was doing, in that thread Occidental? No, I did not.
Yes, you did.
QUOTE (Meem+Jun 30 2009, 10:58 PM)
Now if we really want to dig up the past and how it is you first addressed me as being delusional ... sure, I'm gonna receive your remarks very closely to Occidental's. You are after all, backing him up.
He was backing me up when I called you out for being a plagarizer, which you are. Try to see through your confusion and anger, Meem.
I meant both of them.
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occidental Posted: Jun 22 2009, 06:31 PM
Negative Abrasive, and not in a good way.
occidental Posted: Jun 14 2009, 05:42 PM
Positive Youre special.
Negative Abrasive, and not in a good way.
occidental Posted: Jun 14 2009, 05:42 PM
Positive Youre special.
QUOTE (occidental+Jul 1 2009, 02:20 AM)
I meant both of them.
I want you to notice, meem, who is currently being most critical of you. Two posters who have given you POSITIVE feedback.
I second, by the way, based on personal experience, the likelihood of the notion that Occidental meant both positive and negative feedback comments.
Please do review again the post that begins...
I want you to notice, meem, who is currently being most critical of you. Two posters who have given you POSITIVE feedback.
I second, by the way, based on personal experience, the likelihood of the notion that Occidental meant both positive and negative feedback comments.
Please do review again the post that begins...
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jul 1 2009, 12:39 AM)
Meem, please listen to me...
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=419072
If the post has merit, it ought not matter if you "know me that well." Right? After all, one ought not to judge basic social logic in "ad hominem" terms...
Best,
Raphie
P.S. @ occidental
In the interests of fairness, regarding the following, please give meem a chance to learn proper online etiquette? I believe, but could be wrong, he was making honest mistakes with regards to sourcing...
I never speak like that. I dare you to find any post where I used language like that.
I never speak like that. I dare you to find any post where I used language like that.
Robdegraves seems to be a better and more intelligent person than yourself. He said he doesn't care for the way you act, not specifically, but in general, but yet he seems to have your back when people question your behavior. I don't understand that
I don't approve of bad language in all but the most extreme cases. It has little place in debates as far as I am concerned.
However....
When someone is correct... no matter how it is stated... I have to agree with the point made.
I call a spade a spade... or at least I very much try to do so.
I never speak like that. I dare you to find any post where I used language like that.
I don't approve of bad language in all but the most extreme cases. It has little place in debates as far as I am concerned.
However....
When someone is correct... no matter how it is stated... I have to agree with the point made.
I call a spade a spade... or at least I very much try to do so.
I am saying not that you are, nor do speak like that, I am saying that ... you might as well be, because that has been occidentals approach to me from day one. And to "steal" an idea word for word from Lost, this was the case long before "the incident." You know this, and you are willing to side yourself with his behavior over a period of 2-3 weeks and countless postings Vs. one where I made a mistake, you can call that a spade if you'd like. Spades are trump (that's a bad joke)
So, however ... is not an excuse, good sir.
(edit) not straight out cussing, but cursing, but we don't need to be coy about the manner of your behavior do we? (Occidental)
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=419072
If the post has merit, it ought not matter if you "know me that well." Right? After all, one ought not to judge basic social logic in "ad hominem" terms...
Best,
Raphie
P.S. @ occidental
In the interests of fairness, regarding the following, please give meem a chance to learn proper online etiquette? I believe, but could be wrong, he was making honest mistakes with regards to sourcing...
QUOTE (occidental+Jul 1 2009, 02:15 AM)
He was backing me up when I called you out for being a plagarizer, which you are.
QUOTE (occidental+Jun 30 2009, 09:15 PM)
Yes, you did.
He was backing me up when I called you out for being a plagarizer, which you are. Try to see through your confusion and anger, Meem.
Try to understand, this thread is not about the past, and I am not the one that keeps bringing it up. Are you confused about the states of time and who said what first? How many instances could I dig up your intended insults, vs. my unintentional citation error? Call it whatever you like. I only mentioned repnned and the rules mentioned in regards to "honor" and behavior. What do you not understand?
What was the first thing you said to me in the other thread ... confused one ...
Where did I insult you? Where did I plagiarize here?
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=12176&st=165
Robdegraves seems to be a better and more intelligent person than yourself. He said he doesn't care for the way you act, not specifically, but in general, but yet he seems to have your back when people question your behavior. I don't understand that. You can call me whatever you want Occidental, if that is what it takes for you make yourself feel superior, I bet you don't have to feel it though, you know it, don't you?
RF,
I'm not getting back into the box. I said what I needed to say, now the rest of my time is spent replying to people that where never addressed in the OP. I think it was pretty clear I was talking to one person in specific, and the other is an unfortunate circumstance, that feels the need to defend himself. Occidental, I wasn't talking to you, nor robdegraves, I was talking to repenner, and it had nothing at all to do with anything in the old threads, as I have linked one of them twice now, and that thread you're bringing up form the past is not what is happening right now.
He was backing me up when I called you out for being a plagarizer, which you are. Try to see through your confusion and anger, Meem.
Try to understand, this thread is not about the past, and I am not the one that keeps bringing it up. Are you confused about the states of time and who said what first? How many instances could I dig up your intended insults, vs. my unintentional citation error? Call it whatever you like. I only mentioned repnned and the rules mentioned in regards to "honor" and behavior. What do you not understand?
What was the first thing you said to me in the other thread ... confused one ...
Where did I insult you? Where did I plagiarize here?
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=12176&st=165
Robdegraves seems to be a better and more intelligent person than yourself. He said he doesn't care for the way you act, not specifically, but in general, but yet he seems to have your back when people question your behavior. I don't understand that. You can call me whatever you want Occidental, if that is what it takes for you make yourself feel superior, I bet you don't have to feel it though, you know it, don't you?
RF,
I'm not getting back into the box. I said what I needed to say, now the rest of my time is spent replying to people that where never addressed in the OP. I think it was pretty clear I was talking to one person in specific, and the other is an unfortunate circumstance, that feels the need to defend himself. Occidental, I wasn't talking to you, nor robdegraves, I was talking to repenner, and it had nothing at all to do with anything in the old threads, as I have linked one of them twice now, and that thread you're bringing up form the past is not what is happening right now.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 02:42 AM)
Occidental, I wasn't talking to you, nor robdegraves, I was talking to repenner, and it had nothing at all to do with anything in the old threads, as I have linked one of them twice now, and that thread you're bringing up form the past is not what is happening right now.
Then dont use my name in your op, because thats whats happening right now.
Then dont use my name in your op, because thats whats happening right now.
QUOTE (Raphie Frank+Jun 30 2009, 09:11 PM)
Are you actively TRYING, meem, with such vitriolic dialogue, to lose all and any support on this forum?
You asked, meem, what you have "to lose."
I will tell you. By conducting yourself thusly, you are taking away one possible voice of common sense in relation to the issue of "online abuse." Namely, your own.
And if you lose, then any who share your concerns also lose.
Best,
Raphie
I understand what you're saying, but honestly, look at where playing nice got me to begin with? If the rules are to dictate behavior, I'm going to make an effort to specifically point out what the rules say to do, to point out the problems with the rules. I've been mentioning and hinting at these issues from day one, to no avail and only exposing myself to be attacked again, and yet again. I haven't lost my voice here, it hasn't been heard yet.
But the clique will just say, that's my incoherence, idiocity, etc. What is an online voice? The indication from some of the regular crowd of the trolling ... crank-hunters and skeptics is rather appalling. I rarely see them posting anything positive about anything, and I find that really had to believe that there is nothing out there worth talking about without being insulting. I am not giving up any footing, that's part of the problem "they" the crank-hunters, are having with me. They knew I made an error, but they chose to overlook it because I have been so anal about grammar, fair enough, hold me to the fire, it's my turn. Now, I'm gonna be anal about rules, and methods ... very scientifically and methodical like. Honestly though, it seems all to be pointless because this all seems to be a groups idea of fun an games, not science and thought.
If thought and science were never challenged, we'd still be hunter gathers ... and yes flying I remember that because I was alive back then ... like a vampire. I am a mutation? If I am guilty of presenting any ideas here, it's this one.
The behavior allowed to carry on here is unacceptable.
You asked, meem, what you have "to lose."
I will tell you. By conducting yourself thusly, you are taking away one possible voice of common sense in relation to the issue of "online abuse." Namely, your own.
And if you lose, then any who share your concerns also lose.
Best,
Raphie
I understand what you're saying, but honestly, look at where playing nice got me to begin with? If the rules are to dictate behavior, I'm going to make an effort to specifically point out what the rules say to do, to point out the problems with the rules. I've been mentioning and hinting at these issues from day one, to no avail and only exposing myself to be attacked again, and yet again. I haven't lost my voice here, it hasn't been heard yet.
But the clique will just say, that's my incoherence, idiocity, etc. What is an online voice? The indication from some of the regular crowd of the trolling ... crank-hunters and skeptics is rather appalling. I rarely see them posting anything positive about anything, and I find that really had to believe that there is nothing out there worth talking about without being insulting. I am not giving up any footing, that's part of the problem "they" the crank-hunters, are having with me. They knew I made an error, but they chose to overlook it because I have been so anal about grammar, fair enough, hold me to the fire, it's my turn. Now, I'm gonna be anal about rules, and methods ... very scientifically and methodical like. Honestly though, it seems all to be pointless because this all seems to be a groups idea of fun an games, not science and thought.
If thought and science were never challenged, we'd still be hunter gathers ... and yes flying I remember that because I was alive back then ... like a vampire. I am a mutation? If I am guilty of presenting any ideas here, it's this one.
The behavior allowed to carry on here is unacceptable.
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"You could just say, he's a prickish idiot, but he's my prickish idiot. I'd rather have someone that I can control rahter than some prickish know it all challenge me. I don't care if he offends you, even if it's radical, offensive, and out of line."
I never speak like that. I dare you to find any post where I used language like that.
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| QUOTE |
| "You could just say, he's a prickish idiot, but he's my prickish idiot. I'd rather have someone that I can control rahter than some prickish know it all challenge me. I don't care if he offends you, even if it's radical, offensive, and out of line." |
I never speak like that. I dare you to find any post where I used language like that.
Robdegraves seems to be a better and more intelligent person than yourself. He said he doesn't care for the way you act, not specifically, but in general, but yet he seems to have your back when people question your behavior. I don't understand that
I don't approve of bad language in all but the most extreme cases. It has little place in debates as far as I am concerned.
However....
When someone is correct... no matter how it is stated... I have to agree with the point made.
I call a spade a spade... or at least I very much try to do so.
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jun 30 2009, 10:15 PM)
I never speak like that. I dare you to find any post where I used language like that.
I don't approve of bad language in all but the most extreme cases. It has little place in debates as far as I am concerned.
However....
When someone is correct... no matter how it is stated... I have to agree with the point made.
I call a spade a spade... or at least I very much try to do so.
I am saying not that you are, nor do speak like that, I am saying that ... you might as well be, because that has been occidentals approach to me from day one. And to "steal" an idea word for word from Lost, this was the case long before "the incident." You know this, and you are willing to side yourself with his behavior over a period of 2-3 weeks and countless postings Vs. one where I made a mistake, you can call that a spade if you'd like. Spades are trump (that's a bad joke)
So, however ... is not an excuse, good sir.
(edit) not straight out cussing, but cursing, but we don't need to be coy about the manner of your behavior do we? (Occidental)
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 03:28 AM)
I am saying not that you are, nor do speak like that, I am saying that ... you might as well be, because that has been occidentals approach to me from day one.
Excuse me? Show me the posts since day one where I have been using language like that with you Meem.
Excuse me? Show me the posts since day one where I have been using language like that with you Meem.
Rob,
And to get more to the point of why I had to rely on definitions and links so much, because (occidental, and others) always liked to play that they had no clue what I was talking about, testing me to see if I was a crank, crack-pot, religious-wackjob, guardian of some sacred knowledge that I am only allowed to share with those deemed worthy to the most absolute absurd and extreme measures possible ....
(that's what I am talking about Occidental, behavior - words are words, actions speak louder than words. If you ever been around German people, you'd know it's more insulting to call them animal names than actual "curse words")
Every time I mention anything that is grounded in a solid general understanding, it's construed to be incoherent when it is far from it. Like what lead to "the incident" in the first place. I said what flying was saying about being a soft atheist was a lot like being a soft-determinist, he had no clue what that was or is and totally did not understand what I was saying. I am so sure saying that I learned it it class would have done me any good .... and for 1-2 pages in that thread the reference material presented by anyone was hardly cited properly. I know what I am talking about.
I hardly made the claim the the example was my work, like I did with the parable, which is my work. I simply got sloppy because that is what I had been dealing with ... slop, and trying to ... spread understanding. I am guilty being sloppy, because that is what I was dealing with. Sorry, if that makes me guilty, so be it. You can assert that I did steal it. But it was clear to me, that nobody would be ready to listen, because they hadn't been listening at all for the 9 prior pages, So when the self proclaimed which hunter wanted to burn the witch as advertised, guess what happened, everyone lit their torches, because I am a crank, religious-wacko-nut-job, crack pot, incoherent idiot. Sure, if you say so.
And to get more to the point of why I had to rely on definitions and links so much, because (occidental, and others) always liked to play that they had no clue what I was talking about, testing me to see if I was a crank, crack-pot, religious-wackjob, guardian of some sacred knowledge that I am only allowed to share with those deemed worthy to the most absolute absurd and extreme measures possible ....
(that's what I am talking about Occidental, behavior - words are words, actions speak louder than words. If you ever been around German people, you'd know it's more insulting to call them animal names than actual "curse words")
Every time I mention anything that is grounded in a solid general understanding, it's construed to be incoherent when it is far from it. Like what lead to "the incident" in the first place. I said what flying was saying about being a soft atheist was a lot like being a soft-determinist, he had no clue what that was or is and totally did not understand what I was saying. I am so sure saying that I learned it it class would have done me any good .... and for 1-2 pages in that thread the reference material presented by anyone was hardly cited properly. I know what I am talking about.
I hardly made the claim the the example was my work, like I did with the parable, which is my work. I simply got sloppy because that is what I had been dealing with ... slop, and trying to ... spread understanding. I am guilty being sloppy, because that is what I was dealing with. Sorry, if that makes me guilty, so be it. You can assert that I did steal it. But it was clear to me, that nobody would be ready to listen, because they hadn't been listening at all for the 9 prior pages, So when the self proclaimed which hunter wanted to burn the witch as advertised, guess what happened, everyone lit their torches, because I am a crank, religious-wacko-nut-job, crack pot, incoherent idiot. Sure, if you say so.
Poor misunderstood meem, too driven by his desire to spread his gift of knowledge that he forgot to properly credit his source. And what a burden to have to explain to people who pretend to not understand this:
Spirituality is a process of discovery that has rules which are followed in order to preserve its integrity. In a moral system.
or
or
or
ID is what it is because science doesn't haven't enough balls to educate people, how real science could fit in with "God."
It must be a terrible insult to have to be tested with such intrusive questions.
What a horrible miscarriage of internet forum justice. You would think that would be nothing compared to killing someone, or being dead for 3 minutes, but not for meem. I guess its all about the Honor for guys like that.
Can anyone spot what's wrong with this quote?
Jesus friggan christ, meem. Shut up and grow up. This is a forum for the discussion of science and technology, not your personal feelings of persecution.
Go whine somewhere else.
Can anyone spot what's wrong with this quote?
Jesus friggan christ, meem. Shut up and grow up. This is a forum for the discussion of science and technology, not your personal feelings of persecution.
Go whine somewhere else.
You would think that would be nothing compared to killing someone, or being dead for 3 minutes, but not for meem.
I can tell you with absolute assurance that meem has never killed anyone. He might have had a NDE, but he has most certainly never taken another person's life.
I can tell you with absolute assurance that meem has never killed anyone. He might have had a NDE, but he has most certainly never taken another person's life.
Thats not what Meem implied.
Irony.
Have you ever seen someone shot? Have you ever had to do it? Have you ever been around anyone that has on an almost daily basis? You're right, I do think that makes me wiser than you, about life, because I've been around a lot more of it, and longer than you have.
Wow, I love you more now than ever.
Wow, I love you more now than ever.
So apparently Meem is just better than us
Even if you reverse or change stance so quickly, I love you anyway. Can I buy you a coke?
QUOTE (Meem+Jun 14 2009, 03:01 PM)
Spirituality is a process of discovery that has rules which are followed in order to preserve its integrity. In a moral system.
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creationism aka science
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| creationism aka science |
or
ID is what it is because science doesn't haven't enough balls to educate people, how real science could fit in with "God."
It must be a terrible insult to have to be tested with such intrusive questions.
What a horrible miscarriage of internet forum justice. You would think that would be nothing compared to killing someone, or being dead for 3 minutes, but not for meem. I guess its all about the Honor for guys like that.
QUOTE
PhysForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums -> General Sci-Tech Discussions -> Puzzling questions -> Honor, Justice, Truth.
Can anyone spot what's wrong with this quote?
Jesus friggan christ, meem. Shut up and grow up. This is a forum for the discussion of science and technology, not your personal feelings of persecution.
Go whine somewhere else.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| PhysForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums -> General Sci-Tech Discussions -> Puzzling questions -> Honor, Justice, Truth. |
Can anyone spot what's wrong with this quote?
Jesus friggan christ, meem. Shut up and grow up. This is a forum for the discussion of science and technology, not your personal feelings of persecution.
Go whine somewhere else.
You would think that would be nothing compared to killing someone, or being dead for 3 minutes, but not for meem.
I can tell you with absolute assurance that meem has never killed anyone. He might have had a NDE, but he has most certainly never taken another person's life.
Advice to meem.
LET IT GO.
Take a breather.
Best,
Raphie
LET IT GO.
Take a breather.
Best,
Raphie
Most of us are interested in discussing physics and related topics.
It often appears some participants are on a legal forum, strenuously debating issues of who said what about what and whom and who is right and who is a misguided idiot.
Actually it's in sync with the detailed history of science
It often appears some participants are on a legal forum, strenuously debating issues of who said what about what and whom and who is right and who is a misguided idiot.
Actually it's in sync with the detailed history of science
QUOTE (occidental+Jun 30 2009, 11:32 PM)
Poor misunderstood meem, too driven by his desire to spread his gift of knowledge that he forgot to properly credit his source. And what a burden to have to explain to people who pretend to not understand this:
or
or
It must be a terrible insult to have to be tested with such intrusive questions.
What a horrible miscarriage of internet forum justice. You would think that would be nothing compared to killing someone, or being dead for 3 minutes, but not for meem. I guess its all about the Honor for guys like that.
Poor Occidental, he's singing the same song and wonders why I say anything. He so wishes to drive me away. But oh no, for you my love I will stay. My sweetest dear boy, it is not the knowledge of the fool you are that bares me burden, it is the love I have for you which is the source of all my pain. I long for you ... to enlighten me with your intelligence, correct me with your wisdom, and lead me ever forward and higher with your depth of character ... and uncanny diligence.
This is what troubles me so, not what I know, but what I don't know about you. I just want to get closer to you my love. Your question of my love for you is not the problem, it is how you act. You're always running from me ... stop and sit down for a while .. we could wrestle. Mjolnir, you could join us, we could form a circle of love it would be so wonderful.
Is that better or worse? You know, give me a reply and let me know, if you don't like this act, I can put on another one for you. Maybe I should be more crank-ish, or cracked. This persona needs a little work? Should be crazier, meaner, more vengeful? Ya, I think I will stick with this one, kinda of hippie-ish. So when ever there is a disagreement, or some sort of debate over the intentions or my questions, and I am at the end of facetious, frivolous, and spiteful behavior, I'll just talk about peace, love, and happiness and just deal with whatever BS is blown out some-one's arse. That aught to go over well, I'll still be every-one's favorite chitface. I'm not magpies, amrit, lui, or anyone else I am uniquely Meem.
So we have it then. I will be the Meem of unconditional love, because no matter how I am treated I should bow down or piss off. There are worse things then death for men to suffer at the hand of another, Mjolnir. Truth is, you have no clue who I am and what I've done, nor do you care.
or
or
It must be a terrible insult to have to be tested with such intrusive questions.
What a horrible miscarriage of internet forum justice. You would think that would be nothing compared to killing someone, or being dead for 3 minutes, but not for meem. I guess its all about the Honor for guys like that.
Poor Occidental, he's singing the same song and wonders why I say anything. He so wishes to drive me away. But oh no, for you my love I will stay. My sweetest dear boy, it is not the knowledge of the fool you are that bares me burden, it is the love I have for you which is the source of all my pain. I long for you ... to enlighten me with your intelligence, correct me with your wisdom, and lead me ever forward and higher with your depth of character ... and uncanny diligence.
This is what troubles me so, not what I know, but what I don't know about you. I just want to get closer to you my love. Your question of my love for you is not the problem, it is how you act. You're always running from me ... stop and sit down for a while .. we could wrestle. Mjolnir, you could join us, we could form a circle of love it would be so wonderful.
Is that better or worse? You know, give me a reply and let me know, if you don't like this act, I can put on another one for you. Maybe I should be more crank-ish, or cracked. This persona needs a little work? Should be crazier, meaner, more vengeful? Ya, I think I will stick with this one, kinda of hippie-ish. So when ever there is a disagreement, or some sort of debate over the intentions or my questions, and I am at the end of facetious, frivolous, and spiteful behavior, I'll just talk about peace, love, and happiness and just deal with whatever BS is blown out some-one's arse. That aught to go over well, I'll still be every-one's favorite chitface. I'm not magpies, amrit, lui, or anyone else I am uniquely Meem.
So we have it then. I will be the Meem of unconditional love, because no matter how I am treated I should bow down or piss off. There are worse things then death for men to suffer at the hand of another, Mjolnir. Truth is, you have no clue who I am and what I've done, nor do you care.
QUOTE (sporacle+Jul 1 2009, 12:13 AM)
Most of us are interested in discussing physics and related topics.
It often appears some participants are on a legal forum, strenuously debating issues of who said what about what and whom and who is right and who is a misguided idiot.
Actually it's in sync with the detailed history of science
This is true.
It often appears some participants are on a legal forum, strenuously debating issues of who said what about what and whom and who is right and who is a misguided idiot.
Actually it's in sync with the detailed history of science
This is true.
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Jul 1 2009, 04:41 AM)
I can tell you with absolute assurance that meem has never killed anyone. He might have had a NDE, but he has most certainly never taken another person's life.
Thats not what Meem implied.
QUOTE (Meem+Jun 20 2009, 10:44 PM)
Irony.
Have you ever seen someone shot? Have you ever had to do it? Have you ever been around anyone that has on an almost daily basis? You're right, I do think that makes me wiser than you, about life, because I've been around a lot more of it, and longer than you have.
QUOTE (Meem+Jun 8 2009, 05:48 AM)
I was a biological integrated detection systems specialist for the Army.
So apparently Meem is just better than us.
So apparently Meem is just better than us.
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Thats not what Meem implied.
Wow, I love you more now than ever.
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| Thats not what Meem implied. |
Wow, I love you more now than ever.
So apparently Meem is just better than us
Even if you reverse or change stance so quickly, I love you anyway. Can I buy you a coke?
Let me buy you a coke. Sincerely, I have a lot of respect for those who choose to be a part of the armed services, so Thank You for your service to this country.
QUOTE (occidental+Jul 1 2009, 10:26 AM)
Let me buy you a coke. Sincerely, I have a lot of respect for those who choose to be a part of the armed services, so Thank You for your service to this country.
Don't buy me one or thank me, send a care package to the guys that are still over there, and thank them. I would recommend specifically 82cd 101st airborne personel. Those are the guys that go kicking down doors looking for trouble, if it doesn't find them first. Maybe even thank the families of the fallen.
Don't buy me one or thank me, send a care package to the guys that are still over there, and thank them. I would recommend specifically 82cd 101st airborne personel. Those are the guys that go kicking down doors looking for trouble, if it doesn't find them first. Maybe even thank the families of the fallen.
QUOTE (occidental+Jul 1 2009, 09:49 AM)
Thats not what Meem implied.
So apparently Meem is just better than us.
Well then, that explains everything... Not.
Any soldier assigned to operate a BIDS would only be deployed as needed. They would absolutely not be front-line units unless there was strong reason to believe that biological weapons were being deployed by an enemy force, something which hasn't happened in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Such a soldier would not have seen people getting shot, unless there was some non-combat related shooting.
http://asc.army.mil/news/archives/gns/2004/BIDS.cfm
So apparently Meem is just better than us.
Well then, that explains everything... Not.
Any soldier assigned to operate a BIDS would only be deployed as needed. They would absolutely not be front-line units unless there was strong reason to believe that biological weapons were being deployed by an enemy force, something which hasn't happened in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Such a soldier would not have seen people getting shot, unless there was some non-combat related shooting.
http://asc.army.mil/news/archives/gns/2004/BIDS.cfmBIDS is an early warning and identification capability that is activated in response to an in-theater biological warfare attack. The BIDS detection suite is installed in a shelter that is mounted on a dedicated vehicle with a trailer-mounted generator power supply. Other BIDS elements include collective protection, environmental control, sample storage, GPS and radios. The shelter may be removed from the vehicle for fixed site application, providing a highly adaptable capability for all battlefield situations.
Meem, what was your rank, unit affiliation and post? Can you answer those questions? Be warned, I'll know if you're just pulling what seems like a good enough answer off some army info website.
Seriously? So I am still a crank or something? I was a 54 bravo (that's the MOS) there is an additional skill identifier that goes along with it for the bids qualification. I think it's lima .. been a while. The mos has been changed since I am out though.
I really can't say much about the bids, I promised I wouldn't.
I guess, you're little attempt to try and stick it to me again, you fail to realize where force protection is placed on a base, and you fail to realize I never said I shot anyone. Bids units are placed on a perimeter of a base, for force protection in a combat theater, or deployed to an area of expected attack, and work the nightshift, from dusk till dawn, generally next to guard stations so there is someone watching our backs, if not required to be the second half of a 4 man team. I guess you forget, the history of the war which hasn't ended ... was strummed up with fear of WMD's. I guess you forget, that biological weapons fall under WMDs. And I suppose you know since you were there what was being done for force protection, and what was being tested at request. I guess you forget, I wasn't the only person in the army, there were lots of other guys there too, with other jobs.
I guess you fail to see the point of being around people that have to kill or be killed, and as mentioned those who enjoy killing. Have you ever seen death on living man's face or in his eyes? Have you ever been the one someone wanted to talk to when everyone that cared about them and they cared about was 7000 miles away? I bet that makes no sense to you.
Your daddy, 310th chemical company. Kandahar af, july 2002-03. irbil iraq 03
be warned, I really don't care ... you want pictures? Should I get people to come here and confess on my behalf? Is every one a fake, crank, liar, fraud, phony?
You want my dd214? How about my shot record?
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Rob,
No beef here. People and their vices are not limited to any particular role in society. People are people everywhere, good and bad. You don't have to be in the military to be a hero or a villian. However, that being said I do think there is a certain merit to service, but it is not broad and sweeping one, but more of a case by case basis.
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I was a biological integrated detection systems specialist for the Army.
So apparently Meem is just better than us.
Well then, that explains everything... Not.
Any soldier assigned to operate a BIDS would only be deployed as needed. They would absolutely not be front-line units unless there was strong reason to believe that biological weapons were being deployed by an enemy force, something which hasn't happened in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Such a soldier would not have seen people getting shot, unless there was some non-combat related shooting.
http://asc.army.mil/news/archives/gns/2004/BIDS.cfm
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| I was a biological integrated detection systems specialist for the Army. |
So apparently Meem is just better than us.
Well then, that explains everything... Not.
Any soldier assigned to operate a BIDS would only be deployed as needed. They would absolutely not be front-line units unless there was strong reason to believe that biological weapons were being deployed by an enemy force, something which hasn't happened in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Such a soldier would not have seen people getting shot, unless there was some non-combat related shooting.
http://asc.army.mil/news/archives/gns/2004/BIDS.cfmBIDS is an early warning and identification capability that is activated in response to an in-theater biological warfare attack. The BIDS detection suite is installed in a shelter that is mounted on a dedicated vehicle with a trailer-mounted generator power supply. Other BIDS elements include collective protection, environmental control, sample storage, GPS and radios. The shelter may be removed from the vehicle for fixed site application, providing a highly adaptable capability for all battlefield situations.
Meem, what was your rank, unit affiliation and post? Can you answer those questions? Be warned, I'll know if you're just pulling what seems like a good enough answer off some army info website.
This will likely get me flamed but to be honest I do not believe that I have any particular respect for people in the armed forces.
To me it largely depends on the individual.
In the 60's it was common to see people in the armed forces as baby killers.. etc.
Now it's popular to see them all as heroes.
In my opinion both views are myopic. Individuals in the armed forces vary wildly as to their moral or ethical fiber... from the guys who go in there specifically to kill and end up torturing or otherwise abusing the locals... to the guys who are genuine heroes. The entire gamut tends to be represented in such a large group. An armed force is not just there to defend the country.. such as World War 2 etc... but is also there to attack, such as has been seen in Iraq, etc.
The armed forces is neither good nor bad.. it is the final arbiter of political policy, nothing more, nothing less.
((edited to add... Oh... I missed Mjolnirpants post while I was writing. That should take some of the heat off of me. ))
For the record, I served in the 1 CER, Canadian Armed Forces, at that time posted in Chilliwack BC. Feel free to look that up.
To me it largely depends on the individual.
In the 60's it was common to see people in the armed forces as baby killers.. etc.
Now it's popular to see them all as heroes.
In my opinion both views are myopic. Individuals in the armed forces vary wildly as to their moral or ethical fiber... from the guys who go in there specifically to kill and end up torturing or otherwise abusing the locals... to the guys who are genuine heroes. The entire gamut tends to be represented in such a large group. An armed force is not just there to defend the country.. such as World War 2 etc... but is also there to attack, such as has been seen in Iraq, etc.
The armed forces is neither good nor bad.. it is the final arbiter of political policy, nothing more, nothing less.
((edited to add... Oh... I missed Mjolnirpants post while I was writing. That should take some of the heat off of me.
))For the record, I served in the 1 CER, Canadian Armed Forces, at that time posted in Chilliwack BC. Feel free to look that up.
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=MjolnirPants,Jul 1 2009, 03:12 PM] So apparently Meem is just better than us
Well then, that explains everything... Not.
Any soldier assigned to operate a BIDS would only be deployed as needed. They would absolutely not be front-line units unless there was strong reason to believe that biological weapons were being deployed by an enemy force, something which hasn't happened in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Such a soldier would not have seen people getting shot, unless there was some non-combat related shooting.
http://asc.army.mil/news/archives/gns/2004/BIDS.cfm
Meem, what was your rank, unit affiliation and post? Can you answer those questions? Be warned, I'll know if you're just pulling what seems like a good enough answer off some army info website.
Well then, that explains everything... Not.
Any soldier assigned to operate a BIDS would only be deployed as needed. They would absolutely not be front-line units unless there was strong reason to believe that biological weapons were being deployed by an enemy force, something which hasn't happened in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Such a soldier would not have seen people getting shot, unless there was some non-combat related shooting.
http://asc.army.mil/news/archives/gns/2004/BIDS.cfm
Meem, what was your rank, unit affiliation and post? Can you answer those questions? Be warned, I'll know if you're just pulling what seems like a good enough answer off some army info website.
Seriously? So I am still a crank or something? I was a 54 bravo (that's the MOS) there is an additional skill identifier that goes along with it for the bids qualification. I think it's lima .. been a while. The mos has been changed since I am out though.
I really can't say much about the bids, I promised I wouldn't.
I guess, you're little attempt to try and stick it to me again, you fail to realize where force protection is placed on a base, and you fail to realize I never said I shot anyone. Bids units are placed on a perimeter of a base, for force protection in a combat theater, or deployed to an area of expected attack, and work the nightshift, from dusk till dawn, generally next to guard stations so there is someone watching our backs, if not required to be the second half of a 4 man team. I guess you forget, the history of the war which hasn't ended ... was strummed up with fear of WMD's. I guess you forget, that biological weapons fall under WMDs. And I suppose you know since you were there what was being done for force protection, and what was being tested at request. I guess you forget, I wasn't the only person in the army, there were lots of other guys there too, with other jobs.
I guess you fail to see the point of being around people that have to kill or be killed, and as mentioned those who enjoy killing. Have you ever seen death on living man's face or in his eyes? Have you ever been the one someone wanted to talk to when everyone that cared about them and they cared about was 7000 miles away? I bet that makes no sense to you.
Your daddy, 310th chemical company. Kandahar af, july 2002-03. irbil iraq 03
be warned, I really don't care ... you want pictures? Should I get people to come here and confess on my behalf? Is every one a fake, crank, liar, fraud, phony?
You want my dd214? How about my shot record?
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Rob,
No beef here. People and their vices are not limited to any particular role in society. People are people everywhere, good and bad. You don't have to be in the military to be a hero or a villian. However, that being said I do think there is a certain merit to service, but it is not broad and sweeping one, but more of a case by case basis.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 08:42 PM)
...and you fail to realize I never said I shot anyone.
QUOTE (Meem @ Jun 20 2009, 10:44 PM)
oh. Have you ever seen someone shot? Bruce Voigt shot someone. He must be really wise.
QUOTE (Meem @ Jun 20 2009, 10:44 PM)
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Have you ever seen someone shot? Have you ever had to do it? Have you ever been around anyone that has on an almost daily basis? You're right, I do think that makes me wiser than you, about life, because I've been around a lot more of it, and longer than you have.
oh. Have you ever seen someone shot? Bruce Voigt shot someone. He must be really wise.
Yes, I believe you're right Occidental. I love your brilliant observations. A person can be a fool or a wise person regardless of their circumstance. I don't want you to be my fool, so could you please stop playing the part for me? I love you.
Have I seen someone shot, yes. Have you ever had a gun in your face? Have you ever seen someone shot? I'm not talking about lightening bolts out mjolnir's pants either, although, that might worth putting on youtube, then you could link it to me as play it off cat! That would be great. I would still love you in either case.
Goodnight sweetie pie.
Have I seen someone shot, yes. Have you ever had a gun in your face? Have you ever seen someone shot? I'm not talking about lightening bolts out mjolnir's pants either, although, that might worth putting on youtube, then you could link it to me as play it off cat! That would be great. I would still love you in either case.
Goodnight sweetie pie.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 03:42 PM)
Seriously? So I am still a crank or something? I was a 54 bravo (that's the MOS) there is an additional skill identifier that goes along with it for the bids qualification. I think it's lima .. been a while. The mos has been changed since I am out though.
I really can't say much about the bids, I promised I wouldn't.
Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell.
No, you just strongly implied that you have.
No, you just strongly implied that you have.
I guess you forget, the history of the war which hasn't ended ... was strummed up with fear of WMD's. I guess you forget, that biological weapons fall under WMDs.
You can suppose to your heart's content. It won't make you right.
Again, you can suppose to your heart's content. I already know how my knowledge of martial matters compares to yours, and most people on this site, or with any martial knowledge of their own would agree with me. One thing I can tell you; your description of the deployment of BIDS units leaves much to be desired. So what were you really, a mechanic assigned to a BIDS unit?
Again, you can suppose to your heart's content. I already know how my knowledge of martial matters compares to yours, and most people on this site, or with any martial knowledge of their own would agree with me. One thing I can tell you; your description of the deployment of BIDS units leaves much to be desired. So what were you really, a mechanic assigned to a BIDS unit?
I guess you forget, I wasn't the only person in the army, there were lots of other guys there too, with other jobs.
That's the most irrelevant thing you could say...
Yes and Yes. I've seen more than one person shot, and I've been shot, stabbed and beaten myself. I've watched people die, and although I've never killed anyone, I know more than one person who has, and I've come close enough to actually doing so myself that I know what kind of 'wisdom' it imparts.
Yes and Yes. I've seen more than one person shot, and I've been shot, stabbed and beaten myself. I've watched people die, and although I've never killed anyone, I know more than one person who has, and I've come close enough to actually doing so myself that I know what kind of 'wisdom' it imparts.
Your daddy, 310th chemical company. Kandahar af, july 2002-03. irbil iraq 03
I didn't really doubt that you'd enlisted in one branch or another. You really do give the impression of a REMF who likes to run off at the mouth.
As for myself, I was a Sgt with the 10th SFGA, 1st Bn Stuttgart, Germany.
You need to learn to dodge.
Learn to read, a 54bravo with an additional skill identifier, do you know what that means? Somehow I doubt it.
http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestru...hem/310cmco.htm
http://www.goarmy.com/reserve/nps/training...tx.jsp?fl=false
Learn to read, a 54bravo with an additional skill identifier, do you know what that means? Somehow I doubt it.
http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestru...hem/310cmco.htm
http://www.goarmy.com/reserve/nps/training...tx.jsp?fl=false
We're being evaluated on everything that we have learned up to this point in this FTX. So this is a pretty important part of the puzzle for us. Everything that we've done, learned, and shared as a team comes down to this FTX. Being a 54-Bravo, chemical specialist, we are now attending a Lima Four attachment, which is a BIDs specialist, which is a Biological Integrated Detection System.
If you're so anal, get the phone number to the 310th cm. co. call ask, idiot. My last name is Harbin. I was part of 3rd platoon under the command of LT. Broadway and SFC. Mitchell. My team leader was SSG. Chadwick.
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You can also ask who got a citation for knowing their job, and who was responsible for training the company team leaders, platoon leaders, and sergeants for knowing the bids system and all the protocols without having to look in the book. You can also ask SFC. Mitchell, if you can find him, he's AGR. Ask him about the time Harbin jumped his grill because he had water in Afghanistan, 6 cases of it in the ToC when the entire platoon was buying it at the PX after he said he didn't know how to get it. You can also ask him if the next day if he was unloading a truck full at the platoons tents. You could also ask him if he got pissed off once when Harbin suggested a better way to do something and the team leaders said I agree with Harbin, we should do it that way, and then he immediately flipped on Harbin and said, "What's your problem Harbin, are you trying to prove that you're smarter than me?" Like I mentioned already, the bids is classified, there's not really much I can say about it without risking getting in trouble.
I mean hell what's stopping you, you're the one the needs to prove I am lying right?(edit)
You have to have a top secret clearance to be a bids specialist, because everything about the inside is "secret" because we don't want people to know what we can detect. I'd tell you more, but then I'd have kill you.
You're not that bright are you? what was your GT score like 75?
And specially, it was the NID system.
I really can't say much about the bids, I promised I wouldn't.
Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell.
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I guess, you're little attempt to try and stick it to me again, you fail to realize where force protection is placed on a base, and you fail to realize I never said I shot anyone.
No, you just strongly implied that you have.
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| I guess, you're little attempt to try and stick it to me again, you fail to realize where force protection is placed on a base, and you fail to realize I never said I shot anyone. |
No, you just strongly implied that you have.
I guess you forget, the history of the war which hasn't ended ... was strummed up with fear of WMD's. I guess you forget, that biological weapons fall under WMDs.
You can suppose to your heart's content. It won't make you right.
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And I suppose you know since you were there what was being done for force protection, and what was being tested at request.
Again, you can suppose to your heart's content. I already know how my knowledge of martial matters compares to yours, and most people on this site, or with any martial knowledge of their own would agree with me. One thing I can tell you; your description of the deployment of BIDS units leaves much to be desired. So what were you really, a mechanic assigned to a BIDS unit?
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| And I suppose you know since you were there what was being done for force protection, and what was being tested at request. |
Again, you can suppose to your heart's content. I already know how my knowledge of martial matters compares to yours, and most people on this site, or with any martial knowledge of their own would agree with me. One thing I can tell you; your description of the deployment of BIDS units leaves much to be desired. So what were you really, a mechanic assigned to a BIDS unit?
I guess you forget, I wasn't the only person in the army, there were lots of other guys there too, with other jobs.
That's the most irrelevant thing you could say...
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Have you ever seen death on living man's face or in his eyes? Have you ever been the one someone wanted to talk to when everyone that cared about them and they cared about was 7000 miles away?
Yes and Yes. I've seen more than one person shot, and I've been shot, stabbed and beaten myself. I've watched people die, and although I've never killed anyone, I know more than one person who has, and I've come close enough to actually doing so myself that I know what kind of 'wisdom' it imparts.
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| Have you ever seen death on living man's face or in his eyes? Have you ever been the one someone wanted to talk to when everyone that cared about them and they cared about was 7000 miles away? |
Yes and Yes. I've seen more than one person shot, and I've been shot, stabbed and beaten myself. I've watched people die, and although I've never killed anyone, I know more than one person who has, and I've come close enough to actually doing so myself that I know what kind of 'wisdom' it imparts.
Your daddy, 310th chemical company. Kandahar af, july 2002-03. irbil iraq 03
I didn't really doubt that you'd enlisted in one branch or another. You really do give the impression of a REMF who likes to run off at the mouth.
As for myself, I was a Sgt with the 10th SFGA, 1st Bn Stuttgart, Germany.
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and I've been shot, stabbed and beaten myself.
You need to learn to dodge.
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jul 1 2009, 05:58 PM)
You need to learn to dodge.
For real...
For real...
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Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell.
Learn to read, a 54bravo with an additional skill identifier, do you know what that means? Somehow I doubt it.
http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestru...hem/310cmco.htm
http://www.goarmy.com/reserve/nps/training...tx.jsp?fl=false
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| Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell. |
Learn to read, a 54bravo with an additional skill identifier, do you know what that means? Somehow I doubt it.
http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestru...hem/310cmco.htm
http://www.goarmy.com/reserve/nps/training...tx.jsp?fl=false
We're being evaluated on everything that we have learned up to this point in this FTX. So this is a pretty important part of the puzzle for us. Everything that we've done, learned, and shared as a team comes down to this FTX. Being a 54-Bravo, chemical specialist, we are now attending a Lima Four attachment, which is a BIDs specialist, which is a Biological Integrated Detection System.
If you're so anal, get the phone number to the 310th cm. co. call ask, idiot. My last name is Harbin. I was part of 3rd platoon under the command of LT. Broadway and SFC. Mitchell. My team leader was SSG. Chadwick.
(edit)
You can also ask who got a citation for knowing their job, and who was responsible for training the company team leaders, platoon leaders, and sergeants for knowing the bids system and all the protocols without having to look in the book. You can also ask SFC. Mitchell, if you can find him, he's AGR. Ask him about the time Harbin jumped his grill because he had water in Afghanistan, 6 cases of it in the ToC when the entire platoon was buying it at the PX after he said he didn't know how to get it. You can also ask him if the next day if he was unloading a truck full at the platoons tents. You could also ask him if he got pissed off once when Harbin suggested a better way to do something and the team leaders said I agree with Harbin, we should do it that way, and then he immediately flipped on Harbin and said, "What's your problem Harbin, are you trying to prove that you're smarter than me?" Like I mentioned already, the bids is classified, there's not really much I can say about it without risking getting in trouble.
I mean hell what's stopping you, you're the one the needs to prove I am lying right?(edit)
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Seriously? So I am still a crank or something? I was a 54 bravo (that's the MOS) there is an additional skill identifier that goes along with it for the bids qualification. I think it's lima .. been a while. The mos has been changed since I am out though.
I really can't say much about the bids, I promised I wouldn't.
I really can't say much about the bids, I promised I wouldn't.
You have to have a top secret clearance to be a bids specialist, because everything about the inside is "secret" because we don't want people to know what we can detect. I'd tell you more, but then I'd have kill you.
You're not that bright are you? what was your GT score like 75?
And specially, it was the NID system.
BS is easy to dodge when you're telling the truth Rob. Something I don't think you would understand.
I didn't really doubt that you'd enlisted in one branch or another. You really do give the impression of a REMF who likes to run off at the mouth.
I've always been able to back my mouth up chuckles. You're comment only reflects on your bias, and bigotry of your fellow man or brother in arms, it' doesn't make me look stupid at all.
And your claim about being no such MOS ...
Well ya, it's clear how right you were there. The difference with my mouth and yours, you speak to hear yourself, I don't. Where's your mouth now?
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I didn't really doubt that you'd enlisted in one branch or another. You really do give the impression of a REMF who likes to run off at the mouth.
I've always been able to back my mouth up chuckles. You're comment only reflects on your bias, and bigotry of your fellow man or brother in arms, it' doesn't make me look stupid at all.
And your claim about being no such MOS ...
Well ya, it's clear how right you were there. The difference with my mouth and yours, you speak to hear yourself, I don't. Where's your mouth now?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KA...48/ai_89233089/
http://books.google.com/books?id=y-SLU3b7F...result&resnum=4
Look on page 275 here, i'm looking for more. I have all my papaer work in a file in my truck, which is parked at the airport till next week when my wife gets back from Germany. She had no oil in her car when I checked before she left at the last minute, so she had to take my truck.
here's the kicker for you.
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_special...SG%20Barnes.htm
Look at that guys picture ok?
Now look for it again here.
http://www.myspace.com/ifbutmaybe
http://books.google.com/books?id=y-SLU3b7F...result&resnum=4
Look on page 275 here, i'm looking for more. I have all my papaer work in a file in my truck, which is parked at the airport till next week when my wife gets back from Germany. She had no oil in her car when I checked before she left at the last minute, so she had to take my truck.
here's the kicker for you.
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_special...SG%20Barnes.htm
Look at that guys picture ok?
Now look for it again here.
http://www.myspace.com/ifbutmaybe
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 07:45 PM)
If you're so anal, get the phone number to the 310th cm. co. call ask, idiot. My last name is Harbin. I was part of 3rd platoon under the command of LT. Broadway and SFC. Mitchell. My team leader was SSG. Chadwick.
I mean hell what's stopping you, you're the one the needs to prove I am lying right?(edit)
I've got better things to do, dumbass. I already said I didn't really doubt you'd enlisted.
Or do yu not reed so gud?
I will give you this: There does seem to be a BIDS specialist FP. Congrats on finally getting something right. It was bound to happen, sooner or later. Now, if only you could make a habit of it...
I love to hear this line. REMFs like you love to say it. Funny thing is, I've never in my life met a snake eater who's ever admitted to uttering it, and we're the only guys out there who actually would find themselves having to kill someone for knowing something about our jobs.
I love to hear this line. REMFs like you love to say it. Funny thing is, I've never in my life met a snake eater who's ever admitted to uttering it, and we're the only guys out there who actually would find themselves having to kill someone for knowing something about our jobs.
You're not that bright are you? what was your GT score like 75?
I don't friggan remember. I know it was good enough to qualify for my MOS and that's all I need to remember. I'm not insecure enough to have to memorize and brag about my test scores.
ROFLMAO Keep telling yourself that. You've managed to back your mouth up once in this entire discussion, and this is the only discussion you've had on this forum in which you've ever managed to do so!
ROFLMAO Keep telling yourself that. You've managed to back your mouth up once in this entire discussion, and this is the only discussion you've had on this forum in which you've ever managed to do so!
The difference with my mouth and yours, you speak to hear yourself, I don't. Where's your mouth now?
Same place it's always been. Asking you how many people you've shot, how many people you've seen shot, and why the hell you think this imparts some kind of wisdom. I know for a fact that there's nothing to learn from watching someone die, beyond "This is not a pleasant experience".
That you may have actually signed up for the National Guard and got your butt shipped over to Iraq for a few months doesn't change the fact that you're still a REMF who loves to run off at the mouth, but doesn't know what the hell he's talking about most of the time. The fact that you sit here and sing the praises of anyone in the military lets me know that you're trying to soak it up from everyone willing to give you props for enlisting. Unfortunately, those of us who've also enlisted know that being a former soldier doesn't mean you're not a douchebag who's full of crap.
You can sit here and make sly implications about wisdom you've gained from watching people die, but at the end of the day, you're nothing but a glorified button pusher in a set of BDUs, whereas I was the guy you were being warned about when that dismount you bought a bloody Koran off of told you not to let any snake eaters see you with it, you dishonest piece of ѕhit.
HEY! I just noticed you posted again. Way to keep trying to prove the line I already said I didn't doubt. Not that it makes a damn bit of difference when it comes to how much 'wisdom' you got from seeing all those people die...
As I remember, I never implied I had done any of those things, I implied that I had been around it. Do you comprehend that?
As I remember, I never implied I had done any of those things, I implied that I had been around it. Do you comprehend that?
occidental Posted: Today at 9:49 AM
QUOTE (MjolnirPants @ Jul 1 2009, 04:41 AM)
I can tell you with absolute assurance that meem has never killed anyone. He might have had a NDE, but he has most certainly never taken another person's life.
Thats not what Meem implied.
Great form, you're
Great form, you're
a douchebag who's full of crap.
here's the kicker for you.
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_special...SG%20Barnes.htm
Look at that guys picture ok?
Now look for it again here.
http://www.myspace.com/ifbutmaybe
This is a right hook, did you feel it? I put a little love note under the top for you. I could write a blog, if you'd like.
I guess I am still lying. It's amazing the lengths you will go through to believe in yourself.
This is a right hook, did you feel it? I put a little love note under the top for you. I could write a blog, if you'd like.
I guess I am still lying. It's amazing the lengths you will go through to believe in yourself.
Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell.
you dishonest piece of ѕhit
Liar
I think this constitutes as a blatant lie. How much proof do you need? It doesn't matter though, I don't need to prove myself to you. I wonder if justice will find you for making false claims.
Here comes the real test of this forum's integrity.
I mean hell what's stopping you, you're the one the needs to prove I am lying right?(edit)
I've got better things to do, dumbass. I already said I didn't really doubt you'd enlisted.
Or do yu not reed so gud?
I will give you this: There does seem to be a BIDS specialist FP. Congrats on finally getting something right. It was bound to happen, sooner or later. Now, if only you could make a habit of it...
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I'd tell you more, but then I'd have kill you.
I love to hear this line. REMFs like you love to say it. Funny thing is, I've never in my life met a snake eater who's ever admitted to uttering it, and we're the only guys out there who actually would find themselves having to kill someone for knowing something about our jobs.QUOTE (->
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| I'd tell you more, but then I'd have kill you. |
I love to hear this line. REMFs like you love to say it. Funny thing is, I've never in my life met a snake eater who's ever admitted to uttering it, and we're the only guys out there who actually would find themselves having to kill someone for knowing something about our jobs.You're not that bright are you? what was your GT score like 75?
I don't friggan remember.
I know it was good enough to qualify for my MOS and that's all I need to remember. I'm not insecure enough to have to memorize and brag about my test scores.QUOTE
I've always been able to back my mouth up chuckles.
ROFLMAO Keep telling yourself that. You've managed to back your mouth up once in this entire discussion, and this is the only discussion you've had on this forum in which you've ever managed to do so!
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| I've always been able to back my mouth up chuckles. |
ROFLMAO Keep telling yourself that. You've managed to back your mouth up once in this entire discussion, and this is the only discussion you've had on this forum in which you've ever managed to do so!
The difference with my mouth and yours, you speak to hear yourself, I don't. Where's your mouth now?
Same place it's always been. Asking you how many people you've shot, how many people you've seen shot, and why the hell you think this imparts some kind of wisdom. I know for a fact that there's nothing to learn from watching someone die, beyond "This is not a pleasant experience".
That you may have actually signed up for the National Guard and got your butt shipped over to Iraq for a few months doesn't change the fact that you're still a REMF who loves to run off at the mouth, but doesn't know what the hell he's talking about most of the time. The fact that you sit here and sing the praises of anyone in the military lets me know that you're trying to soak it up from everyone willing to give you props for enlisting. Unfortunately, those of us who've also enlisted know that being a former soldier doesn't mean you're not a douchebag who's full of crap.
You can sit here and make sly implications about wisdom you've gained from watching people die, but at the end of the day, you're nothing but a glorified button pusher in a set of BDUs, whereas I was the guy you were being warned about when that dismount you bought a bloody Koran off of told you not to let any snake eaters see you with it, you dishonest piece of ѕhit.
HEY! I just noticed you posted again. Way to keep trying to prove the line I already said I didn't doubt. Not that it makes a damn bit of difference when it comes to how much 'wisdom' you got from seeing all those people die...
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Same place it's always been. Asking you how many people you've shot, how many people you've seen shot, and why the hell you think this imparts some kind of wisdom
As I remember, I never implied I had done any of those things, I implied that I had been around it. Do you comprehend that?
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| Same place it's always been. Asking you how many people you've shot, how many people you've seen shot, and why the hell you think this imparts some kind of wisdom |
As I remember, I never implied I had done any of those things, I implied that I had been around it. Do you comprehend that?
occidental Posted: Today at 9:49 AM
QUOTE (MjolnirPants @ Jul 1 2009, 04:41 AM)
I can tell you with absolute assurance that meem has never killed anyone. He might have had a NDE, but he has most certainly never taken another person's life.
Thats not what Meem implied.
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you dishonest piece of ѕhit
Great form, you're
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| QUOTE |
| you dishonest piece of ѕhit |
Great form, you're
a douchebag who's full of crap.
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here's the kicker for you.
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_special...SG%20Barnes.htm
Look at that guys picture ok?
Now look for it again here.
http://www.myspace.com/ifbutmaybe
This is a right hook, did you feel it? I put a little love note under the top for you. I could write a blog, if you'd like.
I guess I am still lying. It's amazing the lengths you will go through to believe in yourself.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
here's the kicker for you. http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_special...SG%20Barnes.htm Look at that guys picture ok? Now look for it again here. http://www.myspace.com/ifbutmaybe |
This is a right hook, did you feel it? I put a little love note under the top for you. I could write a blog, if you'd like.
I guess I am still lying. It's amazing the lengths you will go through to believe in yourself.
Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell.
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you dishonest piece of ѕhit
Liar
I think this constitutes as a blatant lie. How much proof do you need? It doesn't matter though, I don't need to prove myself to you. I wonder if justice will find you for making false claims.
Here comes the real test of this forum's integrity.
I mean seriously, Rpenner ... you're going to allow that behavior and language from someone after being caught in an outright and blatant lie? Driven with no other purpose but other than to attack me, it was not a mistake, purely intentional malicious, vile, and vulgar behavior. Who can be expected to take this place seriously? Is this all some shared set up by a group of friends who like to have on the internet or what? Because clearly that is what is being allowed to happen with no judgment given to the cost.
Where's the honor?
Where's the justice?
Where's the truth?
Where's the honor?
Where's the justice?
Where's the truth?
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 10:02 PM)
As I remember, I never implied I had done any of those things, I implied that I had been around it. Do you comprehend that?
You're still lying. You clearly implied that you've gotten some wisdom from seeing people die. And there's no meaningful difference between seeing people die and being around people dying, so all you're doing now is twisting because you know you've been caught trying to bullshit us.
I love those time honored variations on "I know you are but what am I?"
I love those time honored variations on "I know you are but what am I?"
This is a right hook, did you feel it? I put a little love note under the top for you. I could write a blog, if you'd like.
Once again, I never really doubted you enlisted. No matter how much you try or even succeed in proving you did, it doesn't change the fact that you've been caught trying to pass off some bullshit by pretending to have some combat experience when you never did.
Keep telling yourself that.
Keep telling yourself that.
I think this constitutes as a blatant lie.
Not unless you have some reason to think I know all about every FP in the military.
None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs.
None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs.
It doesn't matter though, I don't need to prove myself to you.
Then why all this effort? What is it now, 5 posts of your trying to prove the only claim you've made so far which I've acknowledged to be true?
I have yet to make one.
I have yet to make one.
Here comes the real test of this forum's integrity.
Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own? You were a soldier once, even if you were some pissant REMF. Why the hell can't you handle people calling you out on your bullshit without starting a thread to whine about it? Why can't you do some friggan research before opening your mouth and sticking your foot in it? Integrity is about trustworthiness, yet you keep implying you've had experiences which your behavior makes it clear you haven't had, talking about subjects you know next to nothing about, quote mining and twisting the meaning of others' posts, plagiarizing others' essays, and throwing hissy fits whenever you don't get your way. You're not just a disgrace to your uniform, you're a disgrace to your whole fuсking species.
You see, I am not proving myself to you, I am proving you with your own mouth to everyone else reading this
You see, I am not proving myself to you, I am proving you with your own mouth to everyone else reading this
I see your true colors
shining through
I see your true colors
and that's why I love you
so don't be afraid to let them show
your true colors
You're predictable. You can't stop and you're getting so wrapt up in your self serving anger, so vocal, so rude, so wrong. You just can't seem to stop yourself. You're a snake and your fangs are showing. To quote a favorite book and movie series of mine.
You're still lying. You clearly implied that you've gotten some wisdom from seeing people die. And there's no meaningful difference between seeing people die and being around people dying, so all you're doing now is twisting because you know you've been caught trying to bullshit us.
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Great form, you're
I love those time honored variations on "I know you are but what am I?"QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Great form, you're |
I love those time honored variations on "I know you are but what am I?"This is a right hook, did you feel it? I put a little love note under the top for you. I could write a blog, if you'd like.
Once again, I never really doubted you enlisted. No matter how much you try or even succeed in proving you did, it doesn't change the fact that you've been caught trying to pass off some bullshit by pretending to have some combat experience when you never did.QUOTE
Liar
Keep telling yourself that.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Liar |
Keep telling yourself that.
I think this constitutes as a blatant lie.
Not unless you have some reason to think I know all about every FP in the military.
QUOTE
How much proof do you need?
None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| How much proof do you need? |
None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs.
It doesn't matter though, I don't need to prove myself to you.
Then why all this effort? What is it now, 5 posts of your trying to prove the only claim you've made so far which I've acknowledged to be true?
QUOTE
I wonder if justice will find you for making false claims.
I have yet to make one.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| I wonder if justice will find you for making false claims. |
I have yet to make one.
Here comes the real test of this forum's integrity.
Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own? You were a soldier once, even if you were some pissant REMF. Why the hell can't you handle people calling you out on your bullshit without starting a thread to whine about it? Why can't you do some friggan research before opening your mouth and sticking your foot in it? Integrity is about trustworthiness, yet you keep implying you've had experiences which your behavior makes it clear you haven't had, talking about subjects you know next to nothing about, quote mining and twisting the meaning of others' posts, plagiarizing others' essays, and throwing hissy fits whenever you don't get your way. You're not just a disgrace to your uniform, you're a disgrace to your whole fuсking species.
QUOTE
Once again, I never really doubted you enlisted. No matter how much you try or even succeed in proving you did, it doesn't change the fact that you've been caught trying to pass off some bullshit by pretending to have some combat experience when you never did.
QUOTE
Liar
Keep telling yourself that.
QUOTE
I think this constitutes as a blatant lie.
Not unless you have some reason to think I know all about every FP in the military.
QUOTE
How much proof do you need?
None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs.
QUOTE
It doesn't matter though, I don't need to prove myself to you.
Then why all this effort? What is it now, 5 posts of your trying to prove the only claim you've made so far which I've acknowledged to be true?
QUOTE
I wonder if justice will find you for making false claims.
I have yet to make one.
Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell.
QUOTE
Liar
Keep telling yourself that.
QUOTE
I think this constitutes as a blatant lie.
Not unless you have some reason to think I know all about every FP in the military.
QUOTE
How much proof do you need?
None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs.
QUOTE
It doesn't matter though, I don't need to prove myself to you.
Then why all this effort? What is it now, 5 posts of your trying to prove the only claim you've made so far which I've acknowledged to be true?
QUOTE
I wonder if justice will find you for making false claims.
I have yet to make one.
Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell.
You see, I am not proving myself to you, I am proving you with your own mouth to everyone else reading this
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| QUOTE |
| Once again, I never really doubted you enlisted. No matter how much you try or even succeed in proving you did, it doesn't change the fact that you've been caught trying to pass off some bullshit by pretending to have some combat experience when you never did. QUOTE Liar Keep telling yourself that. QUOTE I think this constitutes as a blatant lie. Not unless you have some reason to think I know all about every FP in the military. QUOTE How much proof do you need? None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs. QUOTE It doesn't matter though, I don't need to prove myself to you. Then why all this effort? What is it now, 5 posts of your trying to prove the only claim you've made so far which I've acknowledged to be true? QUOTE I wonder if justice will find you for making false claims. I have yet to make one. Yeah. You see, a 54B is a Chemical Operations Specialist, not a Biological Information Detection Systems Specialist. As per the latter title, no such MOS, field position or duty posts exists in the US Army. Or ever did except in your own mind, as far as I can tell. |
You see, I am not proving myself to you, I am proving you with your own mouth to everyone else reading this
I see your true colors
shining through
I see your true colors
and that's why I love you
so don't be afraid to let them show
your true colors
You're predictable. You can't stop and you're getting so wrapt up in your self serving anger, so vocal, so rude, so wrong. You just can't seem to stop yourself. You're a snake and your fangs are showing. To quote a favorite book and movie series of mine.
QUOTE
I shall draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 10:53 PM)
You see, I am not proving myself to you, I am proving you with your own mouth to everyone else reading this
What the hell does that even mean?
What anger? I'm enjoying exposing your bullshit. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again: I love to argue, even with mоrоns.
What anger? I'm enjoying exposing your bullshit. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again: I love to argue, even with mоrоns.
You just can't seem to stop yourself.
Ummm, how many times did I continue posting evidence of something nobody was contending anymore?
You on the other hand, are a BS artist who's been caught in his lies and is throwing a hissy fit instead of admitting it.
Oh, and since you're in a quoting kind of mood...
You on the other hand, are a BS artist who's been caught in his lies and is throwing a hissy fit instead of admitting it.
Oh, and since you're in a quoting kind of mood...
You can't hide your lying eyes
and your smile is a thin disguise.
I thought by now you'd realize,
there ain't no way to hide your lying eyes
You on the other hand, are a BS artist who's been caught in his lies and is throwing a hissy fit instead of admitting it.
What lie?
What lie?
What anger?
All this.
you dishonest piece of ѕhit
Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own?
What lie? The one where I was a BIDS specialist that never existed in the army, except for in my mind?
I am refering to what's going on in this thread, things that you brought up, and the manner in which you act on this forum, in most all threads.
I am refering to what's going on in this thread, things that you brought up, and the manner in which you act on this forum, in most all threads.
I've said it many times before and I'll say it again: I love to argue even with mоrоns.
Like yourself, that's who you're going up against. Can't you see it?
What the hell does that even mean?
QUOTE
You're predictable. You can't stop and you're getting so wrapt up in your self serving anger, so vocal, so rude, so wrong.
What anger? I'm enjoying exposing your bullshit. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again: I love to argue, even with mоrоns.
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| QUOTE |
| You're predictable. You can't stop and you're getting so wrapt up in your self serving anger, so vocal, so rude, so wrong. |
What anger? I'm enjoying exposing your bullshit. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again: I love to argue, even with mоrоns.
You just can't seem to stop yourself.
Ummm, how many times did I continue posting evidence of something nobody was contending anymore?
QUOTE
You're a snake and your fangs are showing.
You on the other hand, are a BS artist who's been caught in his lies and is throwing a hissy fit instead of admitting it.
Oh, and since you're in a quoting kind of mood...
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| You're a snake and your fangs are showing. |
You on the other hand, are a BS artist who's been caught in his lies and is throwing a hissy fit instead of admitting it.
Oh, and since you're in a quoting kind of mood...
You can't hide your lying eyes
and your smile is a thin disguise.
I thought by now you'd realize,
there ain't no way to hide your lying eyes
QUOTE
You on the other hand, are a BS artist who's been caught in his lies and is throwing a hissy fit instead of admitting it.
What lie?
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| QUOTE |
You on the other hand, are a BS artist who's been caught in his lies and is throwing a hissy fit instead of admitting it. |
What lie?
What anger?
All this.
QUOTE
None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| None, you fuсking mоrоn! I believe you. You were a 54B with the 310th, congratu-fuсking-lations. You're still a bullshit artist who's been caught in a pile of it, but you're one who once wore a set of BDUs. |
you dishonest piece of ѕhit
QUOTE
a douchebag who's full of crap
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| a douchebag who's full of crap |
Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own?
What lie? The one where I was a BIDS specialist that never existed in the army, except for in my mind?
QUOTE
Why the hell can't you handle people calling you out on your bullshit without starting a thread to whine about it?
I am refering to what's going on in this thread, things that you brought up, and the manner in which you act on this forum, in most all threads.
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| QUOTE |
| Why the hell can't you handle people calling you out on your bullshit without starting a thread to whine about it? |
I am refering to what's going on in this thread, things that you brought up, and the manner in which you act on this forum, in most all threads.
I've said it many times before and I'll say it again: I love to argue even with mоrоns.
Like yourself, that's who you're going up against. Can't you see it?
QUOTE
Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own?
I bet you post again, because you can't resist whining about how you can't admit to slandering me as a liar, when you lied. You're predictable and you will keep trying to BS your way out of it.
QUOTE
So angry so confused.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 1 2009, 11:22 PM)
What lie?
Implying that you've gained some wisdom from watching people die.
Didn't I already accuse you of twisting the meaning of others' posts? I don't accuse people of doing things they haven't already done, so I don't know why you insist on proving me right yet again.
Didn't I already accuse you of twisting the meaning of others' posts? I don't accuse people of doing things they haven't already done, so I don't know why you insist on proving me right yet again.
I am refering to what's going on in this thread, things that you brought up, and the manner in which you act on this forum, in most all threads.
You brought them up, not me. Here we go with the lies again.
Oh, and why is my behavior in other threads any of your business? Are you the forum narc?
Do you realize you worded this so poorly that it can be easily read as agreeing with me? I appreciate the support, but I already knew I was up against a mоrоn.
And why are you still whining? Grow a pair, for chrissakes.
Do you realize you worded this so poorly that it can be easily read as agreeing with me? I appreciate the support, but I already knew I was up against a mоrоn.
And why are you still whining? Grow a pair, for chrissakes.
I bet you post again
Of course I will. How many times do I have to explain to you that I am enjoying this before you realize that I am enjoying this? Of the two of us, you're the one who seems to be the most upset.
Here's a link for you: http://www.physforum.com/index.php?act=Sea...luser&mid=34177
It's my posting history. Go read it, and when you're done you might understand that I actually enjoy getting a rise out of idiots and bullshit artists like you. I don't deny it. It's amusing to watch how you twist everything I say, grasp at straws and get angrier and angrier, when all you could have done to avoid it all is tell the truth or do some research in the first place. Or you could admit your lies/mistakes, and be done with it. But you never do, and no two of you react exactly the same. It's a wonderful exposition of how irrational and desperate people can get over loosing what amounts to one of the least important arguments of their lives.
And inevitably, even though I explain it time and time again, you folks always fail to realize that continuing to argue the point will get you nowhere. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I lied about something I didn't lie about, or agree that you didn't lie about something you really did lie about, no matter how badly you want me to. I've actually got some integrity, although I freely admit that my refusal to concede an invalid point in these cases stems as much from my amusement at your expense as it does principles.
You folks just never get it: You're fighting a battle you can't win, and loosing so much respect and time in doing so that I sometimes feel sorry for you. There are times when I think I shouldn't egg you on so much, but then I just remind myself of the incredibly stupid and self-serving nature of your posts, and it makes me realize that the lower you get in your retarded attempt to prove me wrong, the less likely some gullible shmuck in the future is to buy your line of crap.
Implying that you've gained some wisdom from watching people die.
QUOTE
What lie? The one where I was a BIDS specialist that never existed in the army, except for in my mind?
Didn't I already accuse you of twisting the meaning of others' posts? I don't accuse people of doing things they haven't already done, so I don't know why you insist on proving me right yet again.
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| QUOTE |
| What lie? The one where I was a BIDS specialist that never existed in the army, except for in my mind? |
Didn't I already accuse you of twisting the meaning of others' posts? I don't accuse people of doing things they haven't already done, so I don't know why you insist on proving me right yet again.
I am refering to what's going on in this thread, things that you brought up, and the manner in which you act on this forum, in most all threads.
You brought them up, not me. Here we go with the lies again.
Oh, and why is my behavior in other threads any of your business? Are you the forum narc?
QUOTE
Like yourself, that's who you're going up against. Can't you see it?
Do you realize you worded this so poorly that it can be easily read as agreeing with me?
I appreciate the support, but I already knew I was up against a mоrоn.And why are you still whining? Grow a pair, for chrissakes.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Like yourself, that's who you're going up against. Can't you see it? |
Do you realize you worded this so poorly that it can be easily read as agreeing with me?
I appreciate the support, but I already knew I was up against a mоrоn.And why are you still whining? Grow a pair, for chrissakes.
I bet you post again
Of course I will. How many times do I have to explain to you that I am enjoying this before you realize that I am enjoying this? Of the two of us, you're the one who seems to be the most upset.
Here's a link for you: http://www.physforum.com/index.php?act=Sea...luser&mid=34177
It's my posting history. Go read it, and when you're done you might understand that I actually enjoy getting a rise out of idiots and bullshit artists like you. I don't deny it. It's amusing to watch how you twist everything I say, grasp at straws and get angrier and angrier, when all you could have done to avoid it all is tell the truth or do some research in the first place. Or you could admit your lies/mistakes, and be done with it. But you never do, and no two of you react exactly the same. It's a wonderful exposition of how irrational and desperate people can get over loosing what amounts to one of the least important arguments of their lives.
And inevitably, even though I explain it time and time again, you folks always fail to realize that continuing to argue the point will get you nowhere. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I lied about something I didn't lie about, or agree that you didn't lie about something you really did lie about, no matter how badly you want me to. I've actually got some integrity, although I freely admit that my refusal to concede an invalid point in these cases stems as much from my amusement at your expense as it does principles.
You folks just never get it: You're fighting a battle you can't win, and loosing so much respect and time in doing so that I sometimes feel sorry for you. There are times when I think I shouldn't egg you on so much, but then I just remind myself of the incredibly stupid and self-serving nature of your posts, and it makes me realize that the lower you get in your retarded attempt to prove me wrong, the less likely some gullible shmuck in the future is to buy your line of crap.
Wow, you just don't know when to quit.
Well... I hate to jump in here.. but I will.
OK... to begin with Meem, I was not going to call you on the whole military thing because I know very little about the American armed forces. However... it seems Mjolnir does and your speech about the wisdom of seeing men die rather stuck in his craw. To be honest, I think the whole soldier-having-seen-people-die thing is a crock. Doctors see people die a lot more than most, if not all, soldiers. I wonder what that has taught them. As a historian (well.. on my way to being one), I have seen interviews, and done interviews, with people who have been in the kind of wars that soldiers in Iraq could only have nightmares about. There was a guy in Calgary that died about 2 years ago...he had been a front line foot soldier in both world wars and had actually been part of the Canadian contingent that stormed the German lines on D day. I actually visited Juno beach... it looks very peaceful now. The thing is, none of those soldiers have ever spoken of the "wisdom" gained by seeing men die.. either the enemy nor their friends. It's the kind of thing that you see people talk about who read Soldier of Fortune. My favorite interview was with another survivor of D day. He was asked how they found the courage to go on while all their friends were dying. He said "Well, we were pretty sure that the boats that dropped us off weren't going to pick us up, so we had no choice but to go forward."
A soldier isn't a hero... a soldier does his duty.
Lastly...
Statements like these...
really make you sound a great deal younger than you claim to be.
Mjolnir even admitted.. in his indelicate manner... that he didn't doubt that you were in the army, though I am starting to have mine at this point.
However.. let's look at this...
really make you sound a great deal younger than you claim to be.
Mjolnir even admitted.. in his indelicate manner... that he didn't doubt that you were in the army, though I am starting to have mine at this point.
However.. let's look at this...
Where's the honor?
Where's the justice?
Where's the truth?
I would add a few...
Where is the maturity?
Where is the content?
What is the point?
You started this whole thread as a complaint. End it and prove that you have some actual maturity. Or continue and be seen as a child.
Your choice.
How many doctors spend years, everyday, with other men they call friends and work with friends, and then see them die .... how many of them are there to be a friend of a friend ... that has lost a friend? How many doctor work with each other under fear of losing their life? Doctors do not even come close to facing the polarization of life and death that war brings.
I really thought you would be smarter than that working on a phd and all.
Where did I say there was wisdom in seeing men die? I've always thought wisdom was found in being a man's friend. The hard times and good times. You wanna see what I am talking about, Band of Brothers.
And you come in playing back up, yet again for someone else.
and you say
How many doctors spend years, everyday, with other men they call friends and work with friends, and then see them die .... how many of them are there to be a friend of a friend ... that has lost a friend? How many doctor work with each other under fear of losing their life? Doctors do not even come close to facing the polarization of life and death that war brings.
I really thought you would be smarter than that working on a phd and all.
Where did I say there was wisdom in seeing men die? I've always thought wisdom was found in being a man's friend. The hard times and good times. You wanna see what I am talking about, Band of Brothers.
And you come in playing back up, yet again for someone else.
and you say
Mjolnir even admitted.. in his indelicate manner... that he didn't doubt that you were in the army, though I am starting to have mine at this point.
What about how he called me a flat out liar, and offered false proof of my lie. He didn't admit to that. You wanted me to admit to plagiary, not making a mistake. He didn't make a mistake, he was intent, convinced I was lying. Does this happen in academic circles? This is why I am not concerned with getting a phd myself, is this is what I would have to put with. I'd rather deal with kids who aren't snakes.
You also say you don't have a tolerance for cursing, but you ignore all of his.
You defend these fools, I pity you more than I pity them.
This is all a very sad thing to hear and let slip by.
How can you be a historian and not maintain order in the forum and it's history which is everything that is allowed to slip by moment by moment and time after time again? What is the worth of a history of violence, disrespect, and malicious intent? If the integrity of the forum doesn't matter, and nobody cares ... then the forum is dead, and it's time to move on. I've noticed in some of my browsing that there are a lot of older posts from 2+ years ago that were filled with sharp minds, I fail to see a lot of those names here now, why do you think that is? Take a good look around you and your group of "friends." How can you be so oblivious? And I am far from trying to insult you, I hope you realize that.
I suppose my questions have been answered, those three things aren't found here, because they don't matter here. I've put up decent threads (like the nano) trying to avoid this one, but I was draw to this because I like a challenge, but I'm not so certain there is a challenge to be found when it doesn't matter, or nobody cares. I'll give you what you want, my silence when I leave after I finish my conversation with Ron, if he so wishes to continue.
This is all a very sad thing to hear and let slip by.
How can you be a historian and not maintain order in the forum and it's history which is everything that is allowed to slip by moment by moment and time after time again? What is the worth of a history of violence, disrespect, and malicious intent? If the integrity of the forum doesn't matter, and nobody cares ... then the forum is dead, and it's time to move on. I've noticed in some of my browsing that there are a lot of older posts from 2+ years ago that were filled with sharp minds, I fail to see a lot of those names here now, why do you think that is? Take a good look around you and your group of "friends." How can you be so oblivious? And I am far from trying to insult you, I hope you realize that.
I suppose my questions have been answered, those three things aren't found here, because they don't matter here. I've put up decent threads (like the nano) trying to avoid this one, but I was draw to this because I like a challenge, but I'm not so certain there is a challenge to be found when it doesn't matter, or nobody cares. I'll give you what you want, my silence when I leave after I finish my conversation with Ron, if he so wishes to continue.
Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own?
Do you? Aren't they one in the same?
You chose.
You chose.
I'm sorry you feel that way. How do we honor the history of truth or justice if we ignore it's lessons? Who's child am I? The forum's, does it care if I am a child, crank, crack-pot, whack-job, or a belligerent snake ... that admits getting my kicks from being a snake? Look at how long the"important" question thread has run, and for what purpose ... to mock a fool? Is that a challenge of truth, honor, is it justice?
Can you answer one question, and I will vow my last word in this thread if you answer only it. I am a man of my word.
What do you choose, to believe me as?
As someone who needs to be valuable.
OK... to begin with Meem, I was not going to call you on the whole military thing because I know very little about the American armed forces. However... it seems Mjolnir does and your speech about the wisdom of seeing men die rather stuck in his craw. To be honest, I think the whole soldier-having-seen-people-die thing is a crock. Doctors see people die a lot more than most, if not all, soldiers. I wonder what that has taught them. As a historian (well.. on my way to being one), I have seen interviews, and done interviews, with people who have been in the kind of wars that soldiers in Iraq could only have nightmares about. There was a guy in Calgary that died about 2 years ago...he had been a front line foot soldier in both world wars and had actually been part of the Canadian contingent that stormed the German lines on D day. I actually visited Juno beach... it looks very peaceful now. The thing is, none of those soldiers have ever spoken of the "wisdom" gained by seeing men die.. either the enemy nor their friends. It's the kind of thing that you see people talk about who read Soldier of Fortune. My favorite interview was with another survivor of D day. He was asked how they found the courage to go on while all their friends were dying. He said "Well, we were pretty sure that the boats that dropped us off weren't going to pick us up, so we had no choice but to go forward."
A soldier isn't a hero... a soldier does his duty.
Lastly...
Statements like these...
QUOTE
I bet you post again, because you can't resist whining about how you can't admit to slandering me as a liar, when you lied. You're predictable and you will keep trying to BS your way out of it.
really make you sound a great deal younger than you claim to be.
Mjolnir even admitted.. in his indelicate manner... that he didn't doubt that you were in the army, though I am starting to have mine at this point.
However.. let's look at this...
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| I bet you post again, because you can't resist whining about how you can't admit to slandering me as a liar, when you lied. You're predictable and you will keep trying to BS your way out of it. |
really make you sound a great deal younger than you claim to be.
Mjolnir even admitted.. in his indelicate manner... that he didn't doubt that you were in the army, though I am starting to have mine at this point.
However.. let's look at this...
Where's the honor?
Where's the justice?
Where's the truth?
I would add a few...
Where is the maturity?
Where is the content?
What is the point?
You started this whole thread as a complaint. End it and prove that you have some actual maturity. Or continue and be seen as a child.
Your choice.
QUOTE
Doctors see people die a lot more than most, if not all, soldiers
How many doctors spend years, everyday, with other men they call friends and work with friends, and then see them die .... how many of them are there to be a friend of a friend ... that has lost a friend? How many doctor work with each other under fear of losing their life? Doctors do not even come close to facing the polarization of life and death that war brings.
I really thought you would be smarter than that working on a phd and all.
Where did I say there was wisdom in seeing men die? I've always thought wisdom was found in being a man's friend. The hard times and good times. You wanna see what I am talking about, Band of Brothers.
And you come in playing back up, yet again for someone else.
and you say
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Doctors see people die a lot more than most, if not all, soldiers |
How many doctors spend years, everyday, with other men they call friends and work with friends, and then see them die .... how many of them are there to be a friend of a friend ... that has lost a friend? How many doctor work with each other under fear of losing their life? Doctors do not even come close to facing the polarization of life and death that war brings.
I really thought you would be smarter than that working on a phd and all.
Where did I say there was wisdom in seeing men die? I've always thought wisdom was found in being a man's friend. The hard times and good times. You wanna see what I am talking about, Band of Brothers.
And you come in playing back up, yet again for someone else.
and you say
Mjolnir even admitted.. in his indelicate manner... that he didn't doubt that you were in the army, though I am starting to have mine at this point.
What about how he called me a flat out liar, and offered false proof of my lie. He didn't admit to that. You wanted me to admit to plagiary, not making a mistake. He didn't make a mistake, he was intent, convinced I was lying. Does this happen in academic circles? This is why I am not concerned with getting a phd myself, is this is what I would have to put with. I'd rather deal with kids who aren't snakes.
You also say you don't have a tolerance for cursing, but you ignore all of his.
You defend these fools, I pity you more than I pity them.
QUOTE
Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own?
This is all a very sad thing to hear and let slip by.
How can you be a historian and not maintain order in the forum and it's history which is everything that is allowed to slip by moment by moment and time after time again? What is the worth of a history of violence, disrespect, and malicious intent? If the integrity of the forum doesn't matter, and nobody cares ... then the forum is dead, and it's time to move on. I've noticed in some of my browsing that there are a lot of older posts from 2+ years ago that were filled with sharp minds, I fail to see a lot of those names here now, why do you think that is? Take a good look around you and your group of "friends." How can you be so oblivious? And I am far from trying to insult you, I hope you realize that.
I suppose my questions have been answered, those three things aren't found here, because they don't matter here. I've put up decent threads (like the nano) trying to avoid this one, but I was draw to this because I like a challenge, but I'm not so certain there is a challenge to be found when it doesn't matter, or nobody cares. I'll give you what you want, my silence when I leave after I finish my conversation with Ron, if he so wishes to continue.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own? |
This is all a very sad thing to hear and let slip by.
How can you be a historian and not maintain order in the forum and it's history which is everything that is allowed to slip by moment by moment and time after time again? What is the worth of a history of violence, disrespect, and malicious intent? If the integrity of the forum doesn't matter, and nobody cares ... then the forum is dead, and it's time to move on. I've noticed in some of my browsing that there are a lot of older posts from 2+ years ago that were filled with sharp minds, I fail to see a lot of those names here now, why do you think that is? Take a good look around you and your group of "friends." How can you be so oblivious? And I am far from trying to insult you, I hope you realize that.
I suppose my questions have been answered, those three things aren't found here, because they don't matter here. I've put up decent threads (like the nano) trying to avoid this one, but I was draw to this because I like a challenge, but I'm not so certain there is a challenge to be found when it doesn't matter, or nobody cares. I'll give you what you want, my silence when I leave after I finish my conversation with Ron, if he so wishes to continue.
Who cares about the forum's integrity? What about your own?
Do you? Aren't they one in the same?
QUOTE
You started this whole thread as a complaint. End it and prove that you have some actual maturity. Or continue and be seen as a child.
Your choice.
Your choice.
You chose.
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jul 2 2009, 02:15 AM)
You chose.
I'm sorry you feel that way. How do we honor the history of truth or justice if we ignore it's lessons? Who's child am I? The forum's, does it care if I am a child, crank, crack-pot, whack-job, or a belligerent snake ... that admits getting my kicks from being a snake? Look at how long the"important" question thread has run, and for what purpose ... to mock a fool? Is that a challenge of truth, honor, is it justice?
Can you answer one question, and I will vow my last word in this thread if you answer only it. I am a man of my word.
What do you choose, to believe me as?
QUOTE
What do you choose, to believe me as?
As someone who needs to be valuable.
Very well then, we have a deal. It is done.
Meem, read this. Re-read it. Then read it a third time.
QUOTE (RobDegraves+Jul 2 2009, 01:24 AM)
OK... to begin with Meem, I was not going to call you on the whole military thing because I know very little about the American armed forces. However... it seems Mjolnir does and your speech about the wisdom of seeing men die rather stuck in his craw. To be honest, I think the whole soldier-having-seen-people-die thing is a crock. Doctors see people die a lot more than most, if not all, soldiers. I wonder what that has taught them. As a historian (well.. on my way to being one), I have seen interviews, and done interviews, with people who have been in the kind of wars that soldiers in Iraq could only have nightmares about. There was a guy in Calgary that died about 2 years ago...he had been a front line foot soldier in both world wars and had actually been part of the Canadian contingent that stormed the German lines on D day. I actually visited Juno beach... it looks very peaceful now. The thing is, none of those soldiers have ever spoken of the "wisdom" gained by seeing men die.. either the enemy nor their friends. It's the kind of thing that you see people talk about who read Soldier of Fortune. My favorite interview was with another survivor of D day. He was asked how they found the courage to go on while all their friends were dying. He said "Well, we were pretty sure that the boats that dropped us off weren't going to pick us up, so we had no choice but to go forward."
A soldier isn't a hero... a soldier does his duty.
This is how I know you're a liar. You speak as someone who doesn't have the experience you keep implying and claiming to have had.
Your insistence that there is some sort of wisdom to be gained from this experience is entirely unfounded. Like Rob, I've known a great many veterans of foreign conflicts. My uncle was part of a LRRP unit in Vietnam, My grandfather was an officer in WWII, and his father an officer in WWI. Many of my buddies from my days in the Army were older soldiers who'd participated in several conflicts (I was a replacement, not part of a new unit as most successful 18X enlistees end up being). I myself have had a whole host of violent experiences not relating to the military, thanks to growing up in a very bad part of town, and having had something to prove my whole life.
I know for a fact that there's no wisdom in watching people die. There's nothing enlightening about watching a 16 year old kid trying to scream for his mommy around a bullet lodged in his throat. There's no moment of awareness as you hold a man in a neck crank and squeeze as hard as you can. There's no soul flowing out with a man's dying breath, there's not even a profound and dramatic moment.
There's blood, there's grown men crying like children, there's confusion, shock, chaos and fear. That's it. If you want wisdom from death, watch a movie. That's the only time when watching someone die might teach you something, and even then, the lesson is only valuable for as long as the movie runs.
When you sit here and smugly imply that someone else has no right to argue with you because they've not seen their friends dying, or killed people themselves, you are accomplishing absolutely nothing except proving to anyone who's actually had to suffer through those sorts of experiences that you don't know what you're talking about. If it offends you that I react aggressively to that, too bad. It was your own mouth that provoked the argument in the first place.
I've already explained numerous times that I believe you were in the National Guard, and I've yet to directly accuse you of lying about it. I challenged you to prove it once, and you did so to my satisfaction, at which point I promptly admitted it. However, you continued to insist that I was calling you a liar about it and offer further proof, to the point of posting personally identifiable information about yourself on a public forum. Every time you insist that I've called you a liar about being in the NG, you're lying anew, and proving yet again that you lack the sort of integrity that would be expected of any soldier or scientist.
A soldier isn't a hero... a soldier does his duty.
This is how I know you're a liar. You speak as someone who doesn't have the experience you keep implying and claiming to have had.
Your insistence that there is some sort of wisdom to be gained from this experience is entirely unfounded. Like Rob, I've known a great many veterans of foreign conflicts. My uncle was part of a LRRP unit in Vietnam, My grandfather was an officer in WWII, and his father an officer in WWI. Many of my buddies from my days in the Army were older soldiers who'd participated in several conflicts (I was a replacement, not part of a new unit as most successful 18X enlistees end up being). I myself have had a whole host of violent experiences not relating to the military, thanks to growing up in a very bad part of town, and having had something to prove my whole life.
I know for a fact that there's no wisdom in watching people die. There's nothing enlightening about watching a 16 year old kid trying to scream for his mommy around a bullet lodged in his throat. There's no moment of awareness as you hold a man in a neck crank and squeeze as hard as you can. There's no soul flowing out with a man's dying breath, there's not even a profound and dramatic moment.
There's blood, there's grown men crying like children, there's confusion, shock, chaos and fear. That's it. If you want wisdom from death, watch a movie. That's the only time when watching someone die might teach you something, and even then, the lesson is only valuable for as long as the movie runs.
When you sit here and smugly imply that someone else has no right to argue with you because they've not seen their friends dying, or killed people themselves, you are accomplishing absolutely nothing except proving to anyone who's actually had to suffer through those sorts of experiences that you don't know what you're talking about. If it offends you that I react aggressively to that, too bad. It was your own mouth that provoked the argument in the first place.
I've already explained numerous times that I believe you were in the National Guard, and I've yet to directly accuse you of lying about it. I challenged you to prove it once, and you did so to my satisfaction, at which point I promptly admitted it. However, you continued to insist that I was calling you a liar about it and offer further proof, to the point of posting personally identifiable information about yourself on a public forum. Every time you insist that I've called you a liar about being in the NG, you're lying anew, and proving yet again that you lack the sort of integrity that would be expected of any soldier or scientist.
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Wow, you just don't know when to quit.
Quoth the man who has been caught lying without ever having admitted it, continued to fight a battle which even his allies tell him he can't win, provided personally identifiable information on a public forum and lowered his own reputation in a forum who's honor he purports to champion. Take a step back for a minute and think about it. Which of the two of us will come out of this argument the worse?
Quoth the man who has been caught lying without ever having admitted it, continued to fight a battle which even his allies tell him he can't win, provided personally identifiable information on a public forum and lowered his own reputation in a forum who's honor he purports to champion. Take a step back for a minute and think about it. Which of the two of us will come out of this argument the worse?
Although I respect many of the comments you make in the above post, MjolnirPants, and indicated as much in the feedback section, I view the act of providing personally identifiable information, if this is what meem did (I have not checked back posts, and I refer, of course, to providing one's own, not another's, personal information unless it is strongly implied that it is okay to do so...), as an act of courage worthy of regard.
It is, IMHO, the act of one who would say to your face what he or she says online.
But this from one who not only abhors the notion of attacking the character of another from behind a curtain of anonymity, but also posts by his real name.
Best,
Raphie
P.S. My full name, actually, for the fact checkers amongst us, is Stephen Raphael Frank [Vassar College Class of 1990, affiliated with the class of 1989 (I stayed an extra semester to finish a double major...)]
UPDATE:
Upon reviewing past posts, I will presume that the personally identifiable information referred to above refers to the following:
That seems to rely on my having said that were a specific fact, which I never said. Someone can learn as much from death as they can life, in the matters of wisdom. But if a person doesn't think it to exist, then surely it wont, for them.
That seems to rely on my having said that were a specific fact, which I never said. Someone can learn as much from death as they can life, in the matters of wisdom. But if a person doesn't think it to exist, then surely it wont, for them.
There's no moment of awareness as you hold a man in a neck crank and squeeze as hard as you can
There's is no moment of awareness in murder? Could one realize that they are a murderer? You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
I grew up in Detroit. I know a lot people don't see wisdom, you're right, but some do. Do I now need to prove that I grew up in Detroit to you? Should I have some of these imaginary friends I have join the forum, and have them tell oh how I behaved in my youth? How I was much like you, and imagined I was smart enough to know what duty was without having the wisdom or experience to see it?
I spent about 4 years getting people that were part of decent families to believe what I did back then. There can be no such thing as God, and I have lived long enough to now know, how I could have played part in their lives for the worse, rather than the better. I took from them something I never had. I was a self proclaimed slayer of stupidity, and doing it the most self evident form of stupidity,
prideful vanity.
One cannot give something they don't have to give, or another doesn't want, but the man who wants, if not able to make, will often take what he wants from someone else without concern on most occasions for the manner is which it is done.
I have pride in who I am, not what I do to others or take from them, but what I do form them when I can, and not for my own interests.
This is why I am not concerned with getting a phd myself, is this is what I would have to put with.
Do they offer a phd program at Mclennan Community College?
It is, IMHO, the act of one who would say to your face what he or she says online.
But this from one who not only abhors the notion of attacking the character of another from behind a curtain of anonymity, but also posts by his real name.
Best,
Raphie
P.S. My full name, actually, for the fact checkers amongst us, is Stephen Raphael Frank [Vassar College Class of 1990, affiliated with the class of 1989 (I stayed an extra semester to finish a double major...)]
UPDATE:
Upon reviewing past posts, I will presume that the personally identifiable information referred to above refers to the following:
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 2 2009, 02:22 AM)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KA...48/ai_89233089/
http://books.google.com/books?id=y-SLU3b7F...result&resnum=4
Look on page 275 here, i'm looking for more. I have all my papaer work in a file in my truck, which is parked at the airport till next week when my wife gets back from Germany. She had no oil in her car when I checked before she left at the last minute, so she had to take my truck.
here's the kicker for you.
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_special...SG%20Barnes.htm
Look at that guys picture ok?
Now look for it again here.
http://www.myspace.com/ifbutmaybe
It was, of course, "strongly implied" that the poster was making no attempt to hide his or her identity, assuming good faith on the part of that poster...
http://books.google.com/books?id=y-SLU3b7F...result&resnum=4
Look on page 275 here, i'm looking for more. I have all my papaer work in a file in my truck, which is parked at the airport till next week when my wife gets back from Germany. She had no oil in her car when I checked before she left at the last minute, so she had to take my truck.
here's the kicker for you.
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_special...SG%20Barnes.htm
Look at that guys picture ok?
Now look for it again here.
http://www.myspace.com/ifbutmaybe
It was, of course, "strongly implied" that the poster was making no attempt to hide his or her identity, assuming good faith on the part of that poster...
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I know for a fact that there's no wisdom in watching people die.
That seems to rely on my having said that were a specific fact, which I never said. Someone can learn as much from death as they can life, in the matters of wisdom. But if a person doesn't think it to exist, then surely it wont, for them.
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That seems to rely on my having said that were a specific fact, which I never said. Someone can learn as much from death as they can life, in the matters of wisdom. But if a person doesn't think it to exist, then surely it wont, for them.
There's no moment of awareness as you hold a man in a neck crank and squeeze as hard as you can
There's is no moment of awareness in murder? Could one realize that they are a murderer? You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
I grew up in Detroit. I know a lot people don't see wisdom, you're right, but some do. Do I now need to prove that I grew up in Detroit to you? Should I have some of these imaginary friends I have join the forum, and have them tell oh how I behaved in my youth? How I was much like you, and imagined I was smart enough to know what duty was without having the wisdom or experience to see it?
I spent about 4 years getting people that were part of decent families to believe what I did back then. There can be no such thing as God, and I have lived long enough to now know, how I could have played part in their lives for the worse, rather than the better. I took from them something I never had. I was a self proclaimed slayer of stupidity, and doing it the most self evident form of stupidity,
prideful vanity.
One cannot give something they don't have to give, or another doesn't want, but the man who wants, if not able to make, will often take what he wants from someone else without concern on most occasions for the manner is which it is done.
I have pride in who I am, not what I do to others or take from them, but what I do form them when I can, and not for my own interests.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 2 2009, 06:54 AM)
This is why I am not concerned with getting a phd myself, is this is what I would have to put with.
Do they offer a phd program at Mclennan Community College?
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 2 2009, 07:29 AM)
How do we honor the history of truth or justice if we ignore it's lessons?
The truth is youre a dishonest plagarizer who received 2 warnings and a suspension because of it. And your response?
The truth is youre a dishonest plagarizer who received 2 warnings and a suspension because of it. And your response?
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Prove I represented it as my work, that I said it was my own. Prove it.
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andI quoted it word for word, and I NEVER said THIS IS MY WORK.
Honorable response? Not so much, no. Plagarizer? Definately.
Honorable response? Not so much, no. Plagarizer? Definately.
I suppose this proves your superiority over me, correct occidental? Tell me, what's the difference from a book on shelf, and a book on another shelf? The readers opinion of what he has read, so very different if even from the exact same book.
Did I say I would get a phd, period let alone from MCC? Or is that what you implied? You doubt my capability, that's fine prove what yours is, prove my question in the nanotech thread stupid, since you know so much about science. Or, just continue to whine about the the past, which is not what I am doing, but what people accuse me of, which is what my compliant is right now.
Oh how mighty you are occidental, I quiver at your intellectual superiority.
Did I say I would get a phd, period let alone from MCC? Or is that what you implied? You doubt my capability, that's fine prove what yours is, prove my question in the nanotech thread stupid, since you know so much about science. Or, just continue to whine about the the past, which is not what I am doing, but what people accuse me of, which is what my compliant is right now.
Oh how mighty you are occidental, I quiver at your intellectual superiority.
I just think youre a hypocrite for whinning about honor and truth when youre so dishonorable and untruthful. You have a habit of posting nonsense and then denying you ever posted it in the first place. Wheres the honor in that, Paul? You want to be a teacher, yet you dont even comprehend the concept of plagarism. Or science, for that matter(you know,aka "creationism"). And where are your "rules of spirituality" like you claimed? Or your explanation of how science can fit in with god. Its just empty troll rhetoric from you.
Youre a dishonorable poster, Paul Harbin. Now go ahead with your next temper tantrum.
Youre a dishonorable poster, Paul Harbin. Now go ahead with your next temper tantrum.
There is nothing I can prove to you occidental, since you obviously already know me better than I know myself. Are you, or have you ever studied psychology? Is this my temper tantrum you so accurately predicted?
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/sub...o_republic.html
Socrates' First Account of Education:
Socrates says, is the way to shape the guardians' character correctly and thereby prevent them from terrorizing the citizens. Thus, the guardians' education is primarily moral in nature, emphasizing the blind acceptance of beliefs and behaviors rather than the ability to think critically and independently.
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Who are the self proclaimed guardians here? The ones with blind beliefs?
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/sub...o_republic.html
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Socrates' First Account of Education:
Socrates says, is the way to shape the guardians' character correctly and thereby prevent them from terrorizing the citizens. Thus, the guardians' education is primarily moral in nature, emphasizing the blind acceptance of beliefs and behaviors rather than the ability to think critically and independently.
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Who are the self proclaimed guardians here? The ones with blind beliefs?
Ok....
Occidental.
Give it a rest. You made your point.. now it's tedious.
Meem
Very well then, we have a deal. It is done.
You lied.
Occidental.
Give it a rest. You made your point.. now it's tedious.
Meem
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Can you answer one question, and I will vow my last word in this thread if you answer only it. I am a man of my word.
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Very well then, we have a deal. It is done.
You lied.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 3 2009, 04:11 PM)
Is this my temper tantrum you so accurately predicted?
Whatever method you want to use to avoid facing the reality of what youve said and done.
And Rob, its the same point youre making right now. Meem has no credibility and he should stop his incessant bs. Its tedious.
Whatever method you want to use to avoid facing the reality of what youve said and done.
And Rob, its the same point youre making right now. Meem has no credibility and he should stop his incessant bs. Its tedious.
I have no argument with you Rob, nor will I continue to get into it with you, even if apparently, it is only I whom can be a liar, and not mis-taken.
Raphie Frank,
Regarding your feedback to me, read the following:
Regarding your feedback to me, read the following:
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You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence.
To me, a lie is any attempt to deceive, such as when meem said to flyingbuttressman:
There is an explicit claim that he has significant experience with violent death, a claim which is belied by the further explicit claim that this has imparted some sort of wisdom. It's just another myth, similar to the common perception among teenage virgins that having sex will magically turn them into a grown up. Once you've had sex, you realize you're still the same person. Similarly, once you actually experience the violent death of a friend or face the choice of killing someone, you realize you're still the same person, albeit with a new and unpleasant memory.
Spending a great deal of time dealing with violence and death can change a person, but it's never a change for the better, and it certainly doesn't impart any wisdom. Ask any combat veteran what he's learned from his time spent fighting, and he'll talk about camaraderie, friendship, unity and solidarity. He won't talk about the truth of the universe, the hidden nature of the soul, or anything else pertaining to watching his friends die. He'll talk about fighting beside them, not watching them die. That's because the former experience gives something, while the latter experience only takes something away.
Furthermore, no-one with that sort of experience would ever ever sit here and brag about it, as if it made him better in some way than anyone else. It is not something that is discussed lightly.
He further went on to claim he'd never implied anything of the sort, and then to say he'd not laid any claim to watching his friends die, but to have 'been around' that sort of thing, a false dichotomy. Further, he continued to insist that I've called his claim to have been a National Guardsman (Actually, he's claimed to have been in the Army, which is not precisely true, but close enough in this case) a lie, which is blatantly untrue: I conceded the point immediately after his first response to my challenge.
Further, in his posting history are examples of him saying something, then claiming he never said it, despite the evidence of it being right here. That's not all, either. That's just all I feel like discussing at the moment.
The end result is that meem has continually attempted to deceive other posters here on numerous matters. To me, that makes him a liar, and while I would forgive a fallacious implication from a generally honest poster, one who consistently attempts to deceive others will find every implication or explicit claim he makes labeled a lie if it doesn't conform to reality.
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence.
To me, a lie is any attempt to deceive, such as when meem said to flyingbuttressman:
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Have you ever seen someone shot? Have you ever had to do it? Have you ever been around anyone that has on an almost daily basis? You're right, I do think that makes me wiser than you, about life, because I've been around a lot more of it, and longer than you have.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=417841There is an explicit claim that he has significant experience with violent death, a claim which is belied by the further explicit claim that this has imparted some sort of wisdom. It's just another myth, similar to the common perception among teenage virgins that having sex will magically turn them into a grown up. Once you've had sex, you realize you're still the same person. Similarly, once you actually experience the violent death of a friend or face the choice of killing someone, you realize you're still the same person, albeit with a new and unpleasant memory.
Spending a great deal of time dealing with violence and death can change a person, but it's never a change for the better, and it certainly doesn't impart any wisdom. Ask any combat veteran what he's learned from his time spent fighting, and he'll talk about camaraderie, friendship, unity and solidarity. He won't talk about the truth of the universe, the hidden nature of the soul, or anything else pertaining to watching his friends die. He'll talk about fighting beside them, not watching them die. That's because the former experience gives something, while the latter experience only takes something away.
Furthermore, no-one with that sort of experience would ever ever sit here and brag about it, as if it made him better in some way than anyone else. It is not something that is discussed lightly.
He further went on to claim he'd never implied anything of the sort, and then to say he'd not laid any claim to watching his friends die, but to have 'been around' that sort of thing, a false dichotomy. Further, he continued to insist that I've called his claim to have been a National Guardsman (Actually, he's claimed to have been in the Army, which is not precisely true, but close enough in this case) a lie, which is blatantly untrue: I conceded the point immediately after his first response to my challenge.
Further, in his posting history are examples of him saying something, then claiming he never said it, despite the evidence of it being right here. That's not all, either. That's just all I feel like discussing at the moment.
The end result is that meem has continually attempted to deceive other posters here on numerous matters. To me, that makes him a liar, and while I would forgive a fallacious implication from a generally honest poster, one who consistently attempts to deceive others will find every implication or explicit claim he makes labeled a lie if it doesn't conform to reality.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26105&st=30
Ahh, so now you're a mind reader who can determine my motivations through the internet? Well, your powers are failing you. I replied because I enjoy arguing, even with dumbasses
I was not implying anything of the sort, I was assuming it.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assume
Sort of. So long as the people you are trying to communicate with understanding the meaning of any neologisms (a newly coined word or phrase) you use, they are proper words. For instance, if I were to coin the word "Grish" and define it as "synonymous with 'turkey' " then anytime I said "I ate grish." to anyone to whom I'd provided that definition, I'd be quite grammatically and syntactically correct. It would be pointless and stupid, but correct.
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence.
OH MY GOD!!! I can find a dozen violations by yourself in this thread alone. I simply have better things to do than whine about pissing off the mod
An implication is not a motivation, or a private thought, or anything which can be hidden through grammar and syntax.
I can use these things called "logic" and "language" to determine what your implications are without needing you to explain them to me[/b]. I can do so because I have this thing called "intelligence" which facilitates these sorts of activities
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"Patronizing" is effectively defined as "behaving condescendingly" which in turn is defined as "to behave as if one is conscious of descending from a superior position, rank, or dignity.
I don't enjoy this.
I don't enjoy this.
This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence.
A very wise remark, apparenty, no you didn't come to understand the value of your friends life, because you are using their death for your example against the value of someon else's.
Not that I would expect you to understand that, because you think that is impossible to see from death.
You just used your dead friend. How honorable.
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"Patronizing" doesn't fit, dumbass. "Patronizing" is effectively defined as "behaving condescendingly" which in turn is defined as "to behave as if one is conscious of descending from a superior position, rank, or dignity."
For instance, if I were to respond with "Keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you happy. " then that would be patronizing. But directly criticizing you is not patronizing, it is criticizing, insulting and unfavorably characterizing (accurately, I might add).
For instance, if I were to respond with "Keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you happy. " then that would be patronizing. But directly criticizing you is not patronizing, it is criticizing, insulting and unfavorably characterizing (accurately, I might add).
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Ahh, so now you're a mind reader who can determine my motivations through the internet? Well, your powers are failing you. I replied because I enjoy arguing, even with dumbasses
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No assumption is necessary. I can use these things called "logic" and "language" to determine what your implications are without needing you to explain them to me. I can do so because I have this thing called "intelligence" which facilitates these sorts of activities. If you were more intelligent, you'd understand that. An implication is not a motivation, or a private thought, or anything which can be hidden through grammar and syntax.
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I was not implying anything of the sort, I was assuming it.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assume
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I should have known better than to assume you'd understand something like that,
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Sort of. So long as the people you are trying to communicate with understanding the meaning of any neologisms (a newly coined word or phrase) you use, they are proper words. For instance, if I were to coin the word "Grish" and define it as "synonymous with 'turkey' " then anytime I said "I ate grish." to anyone to whom I'd provided that definition, I'd be quite grammatically and syntactically correct. It would be pointless and stupid, but correct.
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I replied because I enjoy arguing, even with dumbasses
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This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence.
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Ahh, so now you're a mind reader who can determine my motivations through the internet? Well, your powers are failing you. I replied because I enjoy arguing, even with dumbasses
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OH MY GOD!!! I can find a dozen violations by yourself in this thread alone. I simply have better things to do than whine about pissing off the mod
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What you're claiming I did (and what you're actually doing right here) is engage in a straw-man fallacy. However, if you actually read what I posted, you'll see that I said you keep implying it, not that I said you keep claiming it.
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| What you're claiming I did (and what you're actually doing right here) is engage in a straw-man fallacy. However, if you actually read what I posted, you'll see that I said you keep implying it, not that I said you keep claiming it. |
An implication is not a motivation, or a private thought, or anything which can be hidden through grammar and syntax.
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"Patronizing" is effectively defined as "behaving condescendingly" which in turn is defined as "to behave as if one is conscious of descending from a superior position, rank, or dignity.
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I replied because I enjoy arguing, even with dumbasses
I don't enjoy this.
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I don't enjoy this.
This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 2 2009, 06:54 AM)
Where did I say there was wisdom in seeing men die? I've always thought wisdom was found in being a man's friend. The hard times and good times. You wanna see what I am talking about, Band of Brothers.
So do i get wisdom when i watch my friend who has been battling brain cancer for the past two years die, because the doctors don't expect her to live much past summer?
F*ck you buddy
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So do i get wisdom when i watch my friend who has been battling brain cancer for the past two years die, because the doctors don't expect her to live much past summer?
F*ck you buddy
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F*ck you buddy ....
A very wise remark, apparenty, no you didn't come to understand the value of your friends life, because you are using their death for your example against the value of someon else's.
Not that I would expect you to understand that, because you think that is impossible to see from death.
You just used your dead friend. How honorable.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 3 2009, 12:10 PM)
A very wise remark, apparenty, no you didn't come to understand the value of your friends life, because you are using their death for your example against the value of someon else's.
How fuсking ignorant and desperate to prove a retarded can you possibly be, you inconsiderate cocksucker? Congratu-fuсking-lations dickhead, you've finally managed to piss me off.
How fuсking ignorant and desperate to prove a retarded can you possibly be, you inconsiderate cocksucker? Congratu-fuсking-lations dickhead, you've finally managed to piss me off.
This is what people allow the forum to champion?
MjolnirPants Posted on Today at 12:29 PM
MjolnirPants Posted: Today at 12:31 PM
Negative Inconsiderate, self-centered, ignorant, stupid, dishonest, dishonorable cocksucking piece of ѕhit.
How can one not question the honor, justice, or truth of such a man or place?
Have I done anything to you? Now, you would also use this persons death, as a reason to hate me? Like a religious person who claims to have love jesus, and wants to act out in violence against another man to prove how right they are about God? I am not making you angry, you are doing it to yourself.
MjolnirPants Posted on Today at 12:29 PM
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How fuсking ignorant and desperate to prove a retarded can you possibly be, you inconsiderate cocksucker? Congratu-fuсking-lations dickhead, you've finally managed to piss me off.
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MjolnirPants Posted: Today at 12:31 PM
Negative Inconsiderate, self-centered, ignorant, stupid, dishonest, dishonorable cocksucking piece of ѕhit.
How can one not question the honor, justice, or truth of such a man or place?
Have I done anything to you? Now, you would also use this persons death, as a reason to hate me? Like a religious person who claims to have love jesus, and wants to act out in violence against another man to prove how right they are about God? I am not making you angry, you are doing it to yourself.
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This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 3 2009, 12:37 PM)
This is what people allow the forum to champion?
Have I done anything to you? Now, you would also use this persons death, as a reason to hate me? Like a religious person who claims to have love jesus, and wants to act out in violence against another man to prove how right they are about God? I am not making you angry, you are doing it to yourself.
No, you ignorant fuсking jackass. You pissed me off because you would sit here and try to tell Michael that he doesn't understand the value of his friend's life, then try to use that to prove a point that everyone who knows what they're talking about knows is false. You used his friend's death to try to continue to push your own lies.
I happen to know for a fact that Michael has chosen to spend a great deal of time with his friend, to the point that he's not able to get on here and post as much as he was in the recent past. But you don't give a crap about facts, you just want to sit here and push your own incoherent and retarded agenda, no matter whom that involves badmouthing and lying about.
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
EDIT: And for the record, that whole post of nothing but quotes of mine does nothing to support your argument. You literally can't even think straight enough to quote mine my posts well enough to make it look like you have a point.
Have I done anything to you? Now, you would also use this persons death, as a reason to hate me? Like a religious person who claims to have love jesus, and wants to act out in violence against another man to prove how right they are about God? I am not making you angry, you are doing it to yourself.
No, you ignorant fuсking jackass. You pissed me off because you would sit here and try to tell Michael that he doesn't understand the value of his friend's life, then try to use that to prove a point that everyone who knows what they're talking about knows is false. You used his friend's death to try to continue to push your own lies.
I happen to know for a fact that Michael has chosen to spend a great deal of time with his friend, to the point that he's not able to get on here and post as much as he was in the recent past. But you don't give a crap about facts, you just want to sit here and push your own incoherent and retarded agenda, no matter whom that involves badmouthing and lying about.
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
EDIT: And for the record, that whole post of nothing but quotes of mine does nothing to support your argument. You literally can't even think straight enough to quote mine my posts well enough to make it look like you have a point.
I guess you don't see how he brought his dead friend into the conversation to say to me,
Much in the same manner you now do.
I did not know of his dead friend, nor ever did I make any such assumption, nor bring the dead friend into the conversation. But you would say that I did? I have not talked about the manner in which people die, or are murderer, but only that for which they live, love, and hate.
Much in the same manner you now do.
I did not know of his dead friend, nor ever did I make any such assumption, nor bring the dead friend into the conversation. But you would say that I did? I have not talked about the manner in which people die, or are murderer, but only that for which they live, love, and hate.
But you don't give a crap about facts, you just want to sit here and push your own incoherent and retarded agenda, no matter whom that involves badmouthing and lying about. (edit) Paul
No, but someone was shot. And it seems he shot himself on "accident," but first had claimed that someone else had shot him from outside the perimeter ... an enemy. For certain, I will never know, but if he was telling the truth, I wouldn't understand why he would admit that he "accidentally" shot himself after an investigation. It seems he was his own enemy. This man wasn't me, but here we go into what you're saying now and what you have said in the past.
No, but someone was shot. And it seems he shot himself on "accident," but first had claimed that someone else had shot him from outside the perimeter ... an enemy. For certain, I will never know, but if he was telling the truth, I wouldn't understand why he would admit that he "accidentally" shot himself after an investigation. It seems he was his own enemy. This man wasn't me, but here we go into what you're saying now and what you have said in the past.
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
So you are imply I am worthy of being shot, wow.
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You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence
Furthermore, no-one with that sort of experience would ever ever sit here and brag about it, as if it made him better in some way than anyone else. It is not something that is discussed lightly.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
I believe the very first fight was picked with me, when I said "stop fighting," you need to separate your dis-belief of God from science, because science does not disprove god, in the scientific method thread.
And ever since, I have been a crank, liar, BSer, plagiarist, etc, etc.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26011&st=0
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
I believe the very first fight was picked with me, when I said "stop fighting," you need to separate your dis-belief of God from science, because science does not disprove god, in the scientific method thread.
And ever since, I have been a crank, liar, BSer, plagiarist, etc, etc.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26011&st=0
Burn the star-gazer!
Have him walk the plank!
He's a bloody mystic!
Wisdom is for fools!
Liar!
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prater
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/star%20gazer
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/good%20for%20nothing
And ever since, I have been a crank, liar, BSer, plagiarist, etc, etc.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26011&st=0
No no no. That thread got you labeled as a preachy ahole. You earned those other labels in a different thread.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Burn the star-gazer!
Have him walk the plank!
He's a bloody mystic!
Wisdom is for fools!
Liar!
You just used your dead friend. How honorable.
So flippant. Thats low.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Truth is neither high, nor low, but somewhere in the middle, a fine line, or a double edge sword. If ill-weld, it will only cut the person who has misused it.
The untrue sword shatters against a shield of wisdom. Much like the sword of truth shatters through an illusion of wisdom. Much like the argument, that I have disgraced the girl by bringing her into the conversation, when the truth is, I did not (get her involved with a professing) make the choice to speak out for her honor, in the name of truth, or wisdom. I have merely replied.
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And in what will be implied to be a lack of coherency, in an attempt to get at the "science" or "truth" of the matter ..
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Truth is neither high, nor low, but somewhere in the middle, a fine line, or a double edge sword. If ill-weld, it will only cut the person who has misused it.
The untrue sword shatters against a shield of wisdom. Much like the sword of truth shatters through an illusion of wisdom. Much like the argument, that I have disgraced the girl by bringing her into the conversation, when the truth is, I did not (get her involved with a professing) make the choice to speak out for her honor, in the name of truth, or wisdom. I have merely replied.
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And in what will be implied to be a lack of coherency, in an attempt to get at the "science" or "truth" of the matter ..
So flippant. Thats low.
To solve the problem of find the variable or unknown truth, first one has to remove statement the coefficient of opinion from the problem, or apply it equaly to both sides.
QUOTE Mjolnir
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
QUOTE meem
So you are imply I am worthy of being shot, wow.
QUOTE (meem)
You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
QUOTE mjolnir
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence
QUOTE mjolnir
Furthermore, no-one with that sort of experience would ever ever sit here and brag about it, as if it made him better in some way than anyone else. It is not something that is discussed lightly.
QUOTE Mjolnir
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
QUOTE mjolnir
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence
What do you think of that RF?
Am I bending the light, or am I shining it?
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F*ck you buddy ....
Much in the same manner you now do.
I did not know of his dead friend, nor ever did I make any such assumption, nor bring the dead friend into the conversation. But you would say that I did? I have not talked about the manner in which people die, or are murderer, but only that for which they live, love, and hate.
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Much in the same manner you now do.
I did not know of his dead friend, nor ever did I make any such assumption, nor bring the dead friend into the conversation. But you would say that I did? I have not talked about the manner in which people die, or are murderer, but only that for which they live, love, and hate.
But you don't give a crap about facts, you just want to sit here and push your own incoherent and retarded agenda, no matter whom that involves badmouthing and lying about. (edit) Paul
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If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
No, but someone was shot. And it seems he shot himself on "accident," but first had claimed that someone else had shot him from outside the perimeter ... an enemy. For certain, I will never know, but if he was telling the truth, I wouldn't understand why he would admit that he "accidentally" shot himself after an investigation. It seems he was his own enemy. This man wasn't me, but here we go into what you're saying now and what you have said in the past.
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| If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude. |
No, but someone was shot. And it seems he shot himself on "accident," but first had claimed that someone else had shot him from outside the perimeter ... an enemy. For certain, I will never know, but if he was telling the truth, I wouldn't understand why he would admit that he "accidentally" shot himself after an investigation. It seems he was his own enemy. This man wasn't me, but here we go into what you're saying now and what you have said in the past.
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
So you are imply I am worthy of being shot, wow.
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You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence
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QUOTE (meem) You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me. This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence |
Furthermore, no-one with that sort of experience would ever ever sit here and brag about it, as if it made him better in some way than anyone else. It is not something that is discussed lightly.
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 3 2009, 12:52 PM)
I did not know of his dead friend, nor ever did I make any such assumption, nor bring the dead friend into the conversation.
Again, you're so full of ѕhit your eyes are turning brown.
Again, you're so full of ѕhit your eyes are turning brown.
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A very wise remark, apparenty, no you didn't come to understand the value of your friends life, because you are using their death for your example against the value of someon else's.
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If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
So you are imply I am worthy of being shot, wow.
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QUOTE (meem)
You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence
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Furthermore, no-one with that sort of experience would ever ever sit here and brag about it, as if it made him better in some way than anyone else. It is not something that is discussed lightly.
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
So you are imply I am worthy of being shot, wow.
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QUOTE (meem)
You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence
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Furthermore, no-one with that sort of experience would ever ever sit here and brag about it, as if it made him better in some way than anyone else. It is not something that is discussed lightly.
QUOTE (occidental+Jul 3 2009, 11:25 AM)
And Rob, its the same point youre making right now. Meem has no credibility and he should stop his incessant bs. Its tedious.
But he won't stop. No matter what you say. It's his nature to BS. THAT'S WHAT HE'S HERE FOR, TO BS AND PICK FIGHTS.
But he won't stop. No matter what you say. It's his nature to BS. THAT'S WHAT HE'S HERE FOR, TO BS AND PICK FIGHTS.
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AlexG Posted on Today at 1:19 PM
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
I believe the very first fight was picked with me, when I said "stop fighting," you need to separate your dis-belief of God from science, because science does not disprove god, in the scientific method thread.
And ever since, I have been a crank, liar, BSer, plagiarist, etc, etc.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26011&st=0
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| AlexG Posted on Today at 1:19 PM |
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
I believe the very first fight was picked with me, when I said "stop fighting," you need to separate your dis-belief of God from science, because science does not disprove god, in the scientific method thread.
And ever since, I have been a crank, liar, BSer, plagiarist, etc, etc.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26011&st=0
Burn the star-gazer!
Have him walk the plank!
He's a bloody mystic!
Wisdom is for fools!
Liar!
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Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prater
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/star%20gazer
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/good%20for%20nothing
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 3 2009, 06:22 PM)
And ever since, I have been a crank, liar, BSer, plagiarist, etc, etc.
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26011&st=0
No no no. That thread got you labeled as a preachy ahole. You earned those other labels in a different thread.
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occidental Posted: Today at 6:38 PM
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
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| occidental Posted: Today at 6:38 PM |
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Burn the star-gazer!
Have him walk the plank!
He's a bloody mystic!
Wisdom is for fools!
Liar!
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Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?"
I forgot to give you my proof you @ss-hat... I hope her face haunts you
User posted image: User posted image
Mjolnirpants, thanks, she isn't gone yet, but i'm afraid that will change in the next few months. She was expecting further treatment this summer, but for some reason that has been canceled. And i highly doubt she has gotten better, which leaves only one other option. I only hope she recovers enough from her last treatment sessions (they make her weak, i do not know why, but it was not chemo, something currently in clinical trials here in canada to treat her Glioblastoma Multiforme) so that she may enjoy the next few months actively.
I don't have an up-to-date picture of her, because she doesn't like the fact she lost all her hair from the current treatment. This is just one i grabbed off of her facebook page.
User posted image: User posted image
Mjolnirpants, thanks, she isn't gone yet, but i'm afraid that will change in the next few months. She was expecting further treatment this summer, but for some reason that has been canceled. And i highly doubt she has gotten better, which leaves only one other option. I only hope she recovers enough from her last treatment sessions (they make her weak, i do not know why, but it was not chemo, something currently in clinical trials here in canada to treat her Glioblastoma Multiforme) so that she may enjoy the next few months actively.
I don't have an up-to-date picture of her, because she doesn't like the fact she lost all her hair from the current treatment. This is just one i grabbed off of her facebook page.
Why would her face taunt me, is that how you are using her face? (I have not used her) when I am not the one using it for my agenda? You have a lot to learn. She's probably a very strong person. A lot of people who face their death in a similar manner, have the glow of life in behind their eyes yet still, despite what is happening to their body. If you respect her life so much, please, tell me about how she has lived, in good times, not in bad times.
She's beautiful, how should such a face and eyes torment me?
You think it would offend her if I said I will pray for her? What is her name? How old is she? What did she like to do more than anything else?
She's beautiful, how should such a face and eyes torment me?
You think it would offend her if I said I will pray for her? What is her name? How old is she? What did she like to do more than anything else?
QUOTE (Meem+Jul 3 2009, 05:10 PM)
You just used your dead friend. How honorable.
So flippant. Thats low.
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occidental Posted on Today at 2:59 PM
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Truth is neither high, nor low, but somewhere in the middle, a fine line, or a double edge sword. If ill-weld, it will only cut the person who has misused it.
The untrue sword shatters against a shield of wisdom. Much like the sword of truth shatters through an illusion of wisdom. Much like the argument, that I have disgraced the girl by bringing her into the conversation, when the truth is, I did not (get her involved with a professing) make the choice to speak out for her honor, in the name of truth, or wisdom. I have merely replied.
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And in what will be implied to be a lack of coherency, in an attempt to get at the "science" or "truth" of the matter ..
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Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Truth is neither high, nor low, but somewhere in the middle, a fine line, or a double edge sword. If ill-weld, it will only cut the person who has misused it.
The untrue sword shatters against a shield of wisdom. Much like the sword of truth shatters through an illusion of wisdom. Much like the argument, that I have disgraced the girl by bringing her into the conversation, when the truth is, I did not (get her involved with a professing) make the choice to speak out for her honor, in the name of truth, or wisdom. I have merely replied.
(edit)
And in what will be implied to be a lack of coherency, in an attempt to get at the "science" or "truth" of the matter ..
So flippant. Thats low.
To solve the problem of find the variable or unknown truth, first one has to remove statement the coefficient of opinion from the problem, or apply it equaly to both sides.
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QUOTE Mjolnir
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
QUOTE meem
So you are imply I am worthy of being shot, wow.
QUOTE (meem)
You say you get your kicks out of being belligerent, you enjoying "murdering," that is why you go around in the forum trying to hold a man in your proverbial "crank" and squeeze as hard as you can. Like you are trying to crank me.
QUOTE mjolnir
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence
QUOTE mjolnir
Furthermore, no-one with that sort of experience would ever ever sit here and brag about it, as if it made him better in some way than anyone else. It is not something that is discussed lightly.
@ MP
With regards to the term "lie," at worst, in my opinion, meem was guilty of being "disingenuous" or perhaps "intellectually dishonest." In other words, based on what you posted, he may perhaps have twisted words out of context in order to support a priorly held belief or stated argument. [Note: This is a tendency I am well-familiar with as I could link the reader to many posts upon this forum where such tendency has been used in in order to justify ad hominemly based arguments concerning, not just myself, but others.}
"Intellectual dishonesty," by the way, in the manner I use the term, refers not to intentional dishonesty, but to "accidental dishonesty" borne of a natural human tendency not to wish to acknowledge error.
Very distinct from the act of mendacity, which is embarked upon knowingly.
JMHO.
@ meem
And, this, by the way, does not let you off the hook, meem. I DO see a bit of distortion (JMHO) in the way you "reflect" other's past statements back to them. But to be fair, I have seen others also unfairly "reflect" your statements back to you.
Best,
Raphie
With regards to the term "lie," at worst, in my opinion, meem was guilty of being "disingenuous" or perhaps "intellectually dishonest." In other words, based on what you posted, he may perhaps have twisted words out of context in order to support a priorly held belief or stated argument. [Note: This is a tendency I am well-familiar with as I could link the reader to many posts upon this forum where such tendency has been used in in order to justify ad hominemly based arguments concerning, not just myself, but others.}
"Intellectual dishonesty," by the way, in the manner I use the term, refers not to intentional dishonesty, but to "accidental dishonesty" borne of a natural human tendency not to wish to acknowledge error.
Very distinct from the act of mendacity, which is embarked upon knowingly.
JMHO.
@ meem
And, this, by the way, does not let you off the hook, meem. I DO see a bit of distortion (JMHO) in the way you "reflect" other's past statements back to them. But to be fair, I have seen others also unfairly "reflect" your statements back to you.
Best,
Raphie
Its easy to say you mean this when you said that... but it doesnt make it true. Its only true if it is true and the only person who would know is the one making the statement plus they could even lie about it not being true thus you can never actualy know. People who claim to understand what the person next to them said are almost always wrong... not because they didnt hear the person but because they dont understand understanding itself.
Meem,
"Thoughts can bend no less so than light..."
It's right there in my online signature, even if in slightly different form...
Best,
Raphie
P.S. The above quotation marks, for clarification, are there because I am quoting from an email I sent egg theorem several months before he posted on Flickr the thoughts, his personal "reflection" of my thoughts, that currently serve as my online signature. He said it much better than I ever could have. As such, not all "distortions" are bad...
"Thoughts can bend no less so than light..."
It's right there in my online signature, even if in slightly different form...
Best,
Raphie
P.S. The above quotation marks, for clarification, are there because I am quoting from an email I sent egg theorem several months before he posted on Flickr the thoughts, his personal "reflection" of my thoughts, that currently serve as my online signature. He said it much better than I ever could have. As such, not all "distortions" are bad...
QUOTE
QUOTE Mjolnir
If you were in any front line combat unit in the Army, I promise you'd have had a friendly fire 'accident' on your first mission, with that attitude.
QUOTE mjolnir
This is why I call him a liar. This is not a slightly skewed or distorted version of what I've said, it's actually the polar opposite of what I've said regarding violence. I explicitly labeled it such experiences as "not pleasant", and never wrote anything which could be construed as implying that I enjoy that level of violence
What do you think of that RF?
Am I bending the light, or am I shining it?
I believe MP is stating what he believes to be a "fact" of human psychological existence and actions that arise therefrom. There is nothing in the above that you quoted which implies MP would "enjoy" your untimely demise by friendly or, for that matter, unfriendly, fire.
This, of course, does not mean that MP is correct in regards to the thoughts he expressed.
In particular, with regards to his "promise," I quite hope you would prove him, after the fact, "[CHOOSE WORDS / CLAUSE AND/OR DESCRIPTIVE QUALIFIERS]"
- RF
P.S. By the way, meant LIGHTLY, but too hard to resist... I suggest you and MP not ever serve in the same unit... :-)
This, of course, does not mean that MP is correct in regards to the thoughts he expressed.
In particular, with regards to his "promise," I quite hope you would prove him, after the fact, "[CHOOSE WORDS / CLAUSE AND/OR DESCRIPTIVE QUALIFIERS]"
- RF
P.S. By the way, meant LIGHTLY, but too hard to resist... I suggest you and MP not ever serve in the same unit... :-)
promise ... that is a funny word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/promise
Verb
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emphatic
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/declarations
Would it not be construable to say .. that he said, "I positively state, you would be shot, because I don't like your attitude."
And since he could so strongly assert this to be a fact, he would have to be the one doing it, and if he wouldn't enjoy it, why would he do it? Necessity?
I'm not so sure anyone should ever take the hint that someone shooting them to be acceptable should be taken lightly. It's kinda of creepy now that I think about it because he did like to point out my personal information too. Oh well, guess one should always be prepared for the unexpected.
It seems to me you're almost will to say, yes you could shoot him, with an attitude like that, just so you don't get shot. I don't know, I'm pretty comfortable with my thus far learned understanding of psychology. If he lived close enough to me, and knew my address, I wouldn't doubt him showing up at my house to prove himself right, no matter the cost.
Maybe that isn't taking pleasure, maybe that's something far worse.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/promise
Verb
QUOTE
11. to assure (used in emphatic declarations): I won't go there again, I promise you that
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emphatic
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/declarations
Would it not be construable to say .. that he said, "I positively state, you would be shot, because I don't like your attitude."
And since he could so strongly assert this to be a fact, he would have to be the one doing it, and if he wouldn't enjoy it, why would he do it? Necessity?
I'm not so sure anyone should ever take the hint that someone shooting them to be acceptable should be taken lightly. It's kinda of creepy now that I think about it because he did like to point out my personal information too. Oh well, guess one should always be prepared for the unexpected.
It seems to me you're almost will to say, yes you could shoot him, with an attitude like that, just so you don't get shot. I don't know, I'm pretty comfortable with my thus far learned understanding of psychology. If he lived close enough to me, and knew my address, I wouldn't doubt him showing up at my house to prove himself right, no matter the cost.
Maybe that isn't taking pleasure, maybe that's something far worse.
I am willing to prove what I think is right, only at risk to myself. I would never force what I thought upon someone else, especially in terms of some-one's death.
If you don't see wrong it that, I don't know where you would.
If you don't see wrong it that, I don't know where you would.
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