Homeless People

"THEY"

7th May 2008 - 08:25 PM

First off, let me start by explaining. My employment happens to be located in a very ...... interesting location

. I see much MUCH more than just homeless people. In fact, I have seen EVERYTHING except a murder.

But there are many homeless people that I see daily, and quite often they are yelling, cursing, punching and kicking the air. There is only ONE man that doesn't appear to be homeless, he is always well shaven and clean looking. So whether you want to call it Tourettes (or how ever you spell it, too lazy to look up the syndrome) (Oh gawds, here comes ANOTHER ONE!) that causes these people to constantly be yelling insults at nothing, is not what I am generally ranting at. Actually, what AM I ranting at? Other than the fact that two people have walked past my window in the last 10 minutes??

I guess what I am getting at, is why are these people walking around? Don't we take care of people who aren't sane enough to live normal lives? Or are they homeless because they refuse treatment and prefer to live that kind of a life?

Is it just Seattle? Or is it like this in other areas?

Also, I am not generalizing that all homeless people are crazy. I see plenty of homeless that don't yell at the world. Just that there seem to be many very crazy people that ARE homeless. And I wonder why they aren't taken care of in some facility! (but then again, it does provide much entertainment)

Sapo

7th May 2008 - 09:01 PM

A few years ago, Austin had the funding to keep the helpless, and the sidewalk shouters in ASH (Austin State Hospital). Funding was cut, so they simply turned out all the poor crazies. Now we have the same problems as other 'enlightened' cities that have decided to fund tax breaks for potential employers.

Nothing is left after the tax breaks except the power bills for the new office buildings. All the promised job creation occurs overseas, the people who inhabit the office buildings live in counties outside the Austin tax base, and prices go up for those who are left.

The mayor and city council vote themselves pay raises, and the folks on fixed incomes are hit with property tax increases to pay for the companies that move in, whose kids go to private schools, while the less equal among us suffer Bush's "NCLB" abominations.

I'm not a CT, but it sure wears thin after a while.

There was a deaf-mute who was 're-integrated' into society after his release from ASH that has been a fixture on South Congress Avenue, unitl he disappeared a few months ago, his shopping carts still waiting for him at the corner he frequented.

I seriously doubt he is alive any longer...

God Bless America!

gmilam

7th May 2008 - 09:11 PM

I could be wrong, but a quick search for help for the homeless in Ft Worth leads me to charitable organizations. (The Presbyterian Night Shelter, Salvation Army, etc...) I haven't found any government links at all.

The son of a friend of mine came home from the first Gulf War a little "off". (He claims he is part of a secret military project. And he is really a millionaire with his own private island.) When he takes his medication he stays home with his dad... But he doesn't like to take his meds, and spends most of his time on the street in an incoherent haze. What do you do?

It's sad.

Sapo

7th May 2008 - 09:22 PM

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply the charitable organizations are absent, just that the state abdicated a responsibility that they assumed previously.

"For the common good" doesn't ring true any more.

templeghost

7th May 2008 - 09:31 PM

Sitting above the subway station at the busy smog intersection under an electric spider web and collecting nickel and coppers can be very bad for your mental health.

barakn

7th May 2008 - 09:35 PM

If you are schizophrenic, your paranoia may make you afraid of the people trying to help you.

gmilam

7th May 2008 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (Sapo+)

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply the charitable organizations are absent, just that the state abdicated a responsibility that they assumed previously

No apology needed from my vantage point. The charities are usually underfunded and understaffed. And I don't know what they can really do other than providing food and shelter.

I don't have any answers.

"THEY"

7th May 2008 - 09:45 PM

OMG, I swear there is something in the air today! Besides the other issues that have happened in my office today, now there is a WOMAN walking around yelling about September 11 and killing.

I've never seen a woman before in that mental state! There are now 3 people in the last hour or so!

Barakn, you make a very good point. Of all the homeless people I see, the "screamers" are always alone. But still, why isn't society taking better care of them?

Templeghost, I am sure that being homeless does nothing positive for the mental state, but these people are soooooo gone I believe it is deeper than that.

Gmilam, my sympathies for your friend!

Empress Palpatine

7th May 2008 - 09:59 PM

QUOTE ("THEY"+May 7 2008, 04:25 PM)

First off, let me start by explaining. My employment happens to be located in a very ...... interesting location

. I see much MUCH more than just homeless people. In fact, I have seen EVERYTHING except a murder.

But there are many homeless people that I see daily, and quite often they are yelling, cursing, punching and kicking the air. There is only ONE man that doesn't appear to be homeless, he is always well shaven and clean looking. So whether you want to call it Tourettes (or how ever you spell it, too lazy to look up the syndrome) (Oh gawds, here comes ANOTHER ONE!) that causes these people to constantly be yelling insults at nothing, is not what I am generally ranting at. Actually, what AM I ranting at? Other than the fact that two people have walked past my window in the last 10 minutes??

I guess what I am getting at, is why are these people walking around? Don't we take care of people who aren't sane enough to live normal lives? Or are they homeless because they refuse treatment and prefer to live that kind of a life?

Is it just Seattle? Or is it like this in other areas?

Also, I am not generalizing that all homeless people are crazy. I see plenty of homeless that don't yell at the world. Just that there seem to be many very crazy people that ARE homeless. And I wonder why they aren't taken care of in some facility! (but then again, it does provide much entertainment)

The reason....budget cuts, local, state, and federal. It costs too much to keep them in facilities, so they turned them loose on the streets. That is what happens when Republicans are in power for too long.

This issue can be quite political. How one views the homeless issue usually reflects their political leaning. The left of the political spectrum sees homelessness as a societal problem and responsibility, and something should be done. The right sees it in Darwinian terms. The homeless are not the fittest and have no right to survive (so die off please). Unfortunately, I mostly hear the second view expressed in the area where I live. If one says society has a responsibility, they are called "a bleeding heart liberal." I get tagged with the "L word" often.

gmilam

7th May 2008 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE ("THEY"+May 7 2008, 04:45 PM)

Gmilam, my sympathies for your friend!

I haven't seen my friend lately to ask how his son is doing.

Just a side note - A few years ago I was playing at a bar downtown when his son came up to me and asked if I remembered him. Honestly, I did not recognize him. But he seemed healthy and coherent at the time. He told me that he wanted to drop by and tell me how much he enjoyed listening to me and his dad play songs together when he was a kid.

Now that I know his condition... well, it kind of puts a personal human face on the problem.

Confused2

7th May 2008 - 10:43 PM

I think you'd have to "be there" to understand.

My guess (somewhat educated) is:-

1/ They are living entirely in the present - don't look for a 'plan' - there probably isn't one.
2/ Loneliness makes it very difficult to socialise with 'normal' people.

My education wasn't a one-way ticket so now I speculate:-

.. nah ..

I'm sure we all have our own ideas about what we would do .. the difference is that they are actually doing it.

-C2.

Sapo

7th May 2008 - 11:14 PM

Sometimes I think I understand you, C2. Good answer, sir.

Perhaps you could elaborate past the "nah", even though you didn't want to?

N O M

8th May 2008 - 12:50 AM

Hmm... just when we finally get onto the one and only subject where Brave.Sir.Robin.Parsons is actually an expert on, he's not around

am_Unition

8th May 2008 - 12:52 AM

Good thread...

I've given the situation a bit of thought over the years, but I haven't come to anything remotely resembling a solution.

To me though, this doesn't seem like a case of Conservatives vs. Liberals, where one political party's policies could alleviate the problem more quicker and more efficiently than the other... especially when we switch Congressional majorities and presidents' alignments every few years.

It's a classic case of the conflicting aims of a Republic vs. Capitalism. The Republic's ideals encourage (or say they do) equality for every "man"... gradually "man" has come to encompass women, every race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. here in the United States. Caplitalism, on the other hand, promotes maximum efficiency and the every-man-for-himself attitude.

This results in MANY things: influx of immigrants willing to work for less pay than current laborers (resulting in institutionalized discrimination and racism in many cases), outsourcing of jobs, an hour glass economy, racial stereotyping... the list goes on and on. Homelessness is absolutely included in this list of by-products.

"Promoting the general welfare"? Big negatory on that one, America. We're so busy trying to expand our borders (not literally, anymore, but economically, geopolitically, and the like) that we've forgotten to tend our own flock. Did we learn nothing from Rome??

This is simply an opinion, so if you wish to go around calling me some scumbag commie traitor, note that I accept that the ideal of communism has proven to fail in almost every instance thus far. But how has capitalism failed any less? Generally, it's the same rich-get-richer, poor-get-poorer scenario.

Gorgeous

8th May 2008 - 01:20 AM

QUOTE (am_Unition+May 8 2008, 12:52 AM)

Good thread...

I've given the situation a bit of thought over the years, but I haven't come to anything remotely resembling a solution.

To me though, this doesn't seem like a case of Conservatives vs. Liberals, where one political party's policies could alleviate the problem more quicker and more efficiently than the other... especially when we switch Congressional majorities and presidents' alignments every few years.

It's a classic case of the conflicting aims of a Republic vs. Capitalism. The Republic's ideals encourage (or say they do) equality for every "man"... gradually "man" has come to encompass women, every race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. here in the United States. Caplitalism, on the other hand, promotes maximum efficiency and the every-man-for-himself attitude.

This results in MANY things: influx of immigrants willing to work for less pay than current laborers (resulting in institutionalized discrimination and racism in many cases), outsourcing of jobs, an hour glass economy, racial stereotyping... the list goes on and on. Homelessness is absolutely included in this list of by-products.

"Promoting the general welfare"? Big negatory on that one, America. We're so busy trying to expand our borders (not literally, anymore, but economically, geopolitically, and the like) that we've forgotten to tend our own flock. Did we learn nothing from Rome??

This is simply an opinion, so if you wish to go around calling me some scumbag commie traitor, note that I accept that the ideal of communism has proven to fail in almost every instance thus far. But how has capitalism failed any less? Generally, it's the same rich-get-richer, poor-get-poorer scenario.

I don't think real communism has really been tried, has it? Plenty of dictators and despots of one kind or another, but none of these have been Real communists!

Small tribes or 'villages' seem to work the best for social gatherings, where people have to care for and help each other, or the whole system collapses.

'Capitalism' just breeds nations of non-caring con-men, and these are who collapse the whole society from within. And, it only works as long as the abundant resources are forthcoming...Something that is about to change.

g.

vkamath

8th May 2008 - 02:38 AM

The world is moving too fast, things have got too complicated. These people are those left behind. We are running so fast, we barely have time to look behind. I think in simpler times (you know... when were hunters, gatherers whatever) these people would fit right in.

...or am I sounding like one of those ramblers?

TheDoc

8th May 2008 - 03:10 AM

QUOTE (vkamath+May 8 2008, 02:38 AM)

The world is moving too fast, things have got too complicated. These people are those left behind. We are running so fast, we barely have time to look behind. I think in simpler times (you know... when were hunters, gatherers whatever) these people would fit right in.

...or am I sounding like one of those ramblers?

That statement was way more coherent than anything Mr. Robin Parsons wrote, that's for sure.

N O M

8th May 2008 - 04:04 AM

QUOTE (vkamath+May 8 2008, 02:38 PM)

The world is moving too fast, things have got too complicated. These people are those left behind. We are running so fast, we barely have time to look behind.

Good point

QUOTE (vkamath+)

I think in simpler times (you know... when were hunters, gatherers whatever) these people would fit right in.

I disagree. These unfortunates would not have survived long in more primitave societies.

Curiously. In India, where there are many people much more unfortunate than losers like Brave.Sir.Robin, nutters are often considered holy so they actually do quite well.

vkamath

8th May 2008 - 04:15 AM

QUOTE (NOM+)

I disagree. These unfortunates would not have survived long in more primitave societies.

In more primitive times, these people wouldn't have to hold a steady job to make a living. So they probably wouldn't lose their minds.

QUOTE (NOM+)

Curiously. In India, where there are many people much more unfortunate than losers like Brave.Sir.Robin, nutters are often considered holy so they actually do quite well.

True there are a lot of people in India who live in difficult conditions. But nutters are considered holy in India? That is news to me.

There are plenty of people there who call themselves holy (a la Parsons) and fool the gullible. They are far from nutters.

TheDoc

8th May 2008 - 04:22 AM

QUOTE (vkamath+)

There are plenty of people there who call themselves holy (a la Parsons) and fool the gullible. They are far from nutters.

But Parsons was a nutter.

vkamath

8th May 2008 - 05:03 AM

QUOTE (TheDoc+May 8 2008, 04:22 AM)

But Parsons was a nutter.

He sure had serious behavioral problems.

Bloy

8th May 2008 - 12:41 PM

QUOTE

NOM
Hmm... just when we finally get onto the one and only subject where Brave.Sir.Robin.Parsons is actually an expert on, he's not around

QUOTE (->

QUOTE

NOM
Hmm... just when we finally get onto the one and only subject where Brave.Sir.Robin.Parsons is actually an expert on, he's not around

Vkamath
There are plenty of people there who call themselves holy (a la Parsons) and fool the gullible.

QUOTE

TheDoc
But Parsons was a nutter.

....supposedly thoughtful posters who are suffering from a fixation.
The quality of this thread has quickly been taken down to a lowly smear campaign rather than rising high into a discussion of the problems and possible solutions to the increasing number of people falling beyond poverty.
I was going to post of my experiences with homeless individuals but will refrain.

Sapo

8th May 2008 - 01:52 PM

What smear? All the statements you quoted are demonstrably true. Poor Robin.

"THEY"

8th May 2008 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE (Bloy+May 8 2008, 05:41 AM)

I was going to post of my experiences with homeless individuals but will refrain.

Bloy, please come back!

And to the others, please lets keep Robin out of it. We all agree on his mental health, but I really don't see him as fitting into this conversation. I don't think he is the type that walks around yelling hate and obscenities at the world, I see him as very quiet and reclusive. He would have hijacked this thread to be all about him, so lets don't play on his level and drag it into being about him.

While many (if not most) homeless people may have mental illness, I am really questioning those that are bad enough to walk around constantly yelling obscenities for all the world to hear. I can't see these people as being sane enough to take care of themselves, and maybe they aren't. Maybe there is a mental hospital nearby that I have never heard about, and they let them out during the day. But I really have not heard of one in this area, and fear they are not being taken care of (based on their behavior).

Could this be severe PTSD? (post traumatic stress disorder just incase someone hasn't heard the acronym before)

But I think a VERY important point was made yesterday by barakn, that these people may avoid treatment.......

Bloy

8th May 2008 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE

"THEY"
But I think a VERY important point was made yesterday by barakn, that these people may avoid treatment.......

So very true! It's not only that they avoid, but outright refuse any formal mental help.
Assisting those viewed as dissociated is often best done through ways found through the beneficial delicacies of mutual friendship.
My experiences brought me among many of who you have seen passing through your area of vision (and apparent hearing range). A particular individual would yabber to himself in waves and occasionally be found expressing language of such vulgarities that it could nearly equal that found in today's common movies. Only when befriending this person and bringing him into a game of bar darts (where I might add he was highly proficient) did he almost magically tranform into a more natural (by society's standards) person.
All it took for this guy to return to his ways was for a thoughtless crone within earshot to berate him. It's amazing how many have enhanced hearing. But I've witnessed this phenom amidst the sounds of a wailing band of musicians.
It requires effort from all of us to be involved rather than passing the problem onto others.

Now I'm not saying that ALL questionable people will respond with the same extreme personality changes, but ALL the individuals that i've gotten close to (in some form of relationship) have responded favorably. There is another person of female gender that I am reminded of while thoughts focus....I will elaborate at a later time.

Sapo

8th May 2008 - 09:24 PM

QUOTE (Bloy+May 8 2008, 03:50 PM)

So very true! It's not only that they avoid, but outright refuse any formal mental help. ...
... Only when befriending this person and bringing him into a game of bar darts (where I might add he was highly proficient) did he almost magically tranform into a more natural (by society's standards) person.
All it took for this guy to return to his ways was for a thoughtless crone within earshot to berate him. It's amazing how many have enhanced hearing. ...

That is fascinating.

I think I remember that some schizophrenias are accompanied by hyperacute senses, as are some autistics.

What a hell that must be, especially in today's break-neck hustle!

Off-topic, perhaps, but some of the value in hallucinogens may be to better experience the edges of that hell. I know why they call them psychomimetics. It helps to know that it is just the drug.

Anyone ever read Lovecraft?

N O M

8th May 2008 - 09:30 PM

QUOTE (vkamath+May 8 2008, 04:15 PM)

True there are a lot of people in India who live in difficult conditions. But nutters are considered holy in India? That is news to me.

I was referring to some of their holy men, followers of Shiva, who are nutters.

But then history is full of nutters with psychotic visions of god that have been considered holy.

QUOTE

There are plenty of people there who call themselves holy (a la Parsons) and fool the gullible. They are far from nutters.

L.Ron Hubbard is a good example of this, though he was also a couple of candles short of a cake.

And on the subject of Brave.Sir.Robin. Most of us have very little contact with homeless people. Parsons was/is a homeless bum, so his sanity (or lack of) is very relevant to this discussion. I think that the same factors that contributed to his expulsion from this forum are what make him an outcast from society, notably his complete lack of social skills.

Bloy

8th May 2008 - 09:47 PM

QUOTE

NOM
But then history is full of nutters with psychotic visions of god that have been considered holy.

Oh really? Who would have thought....

QUOTE (->

QUOTE

NOM
But then history is full of nutters with psychotic visions of god that have been considered holy.

Oh really? Who would have thought....

NOM
And on the subject of Brave.Sir.Robin. Most of us have very little contact with homeless people. Parsons was/is a homeless bum, so his sanity (or lack of) is very relevant to this discussion. I think that the same factors that contributed to his expulsion from this forum are what make him an outcast from society, notably his complete lack of social skills.

That's YOUR subject..er fixation.
Why disclose to us how "he got to ya" and now you can't let go...?

Oh well, might as well "get 'im" while he's away.

Oh! and NOM, your signature is out of date...either provide upkeep or abandon it...it has lost its fresh humorous appeal.

"THEY"

8th May 2008 - 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Bloy+May 8 2008, 02:47 PM)

That's YOUR subject..er fixation.
Why disclose to us how "he got to ya" and now you can't let go...?

PWNED! I may have to fix you a plate of brownies for that one! Even though I haven't given out brownies in MONTHS.......

Bloy, have you worked with the homeless in some manner? Just curious because of

QUOTE

My experiences brought me among many of who you have seen passing through your area of vision

N O M

8th May 2008 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE (Bloy+May 9 2008, 09:47 AM)

Oh! and NOM, your signature is out of date...

Oh, thanks. I hadn't noticed you. Must have confused you with some other idiot.

Sapo

8th May 2008 - 11:08 PM

QUOTE (N O M+May 8 2008, 04:30 PM)

I was referring to some of their holy men, followers of Shiva, who are nutters.

But then history is full of nutters with psychotic visions of god that have been considered holy.

There are likely many examples of holiness bestowed on the unfortunate. As protection, maybe?

Some altruistic behavior, learned by exposure to Truth® , or hard-wired tribal bait-casting?

The 'unfortunate' may have a great deal of worth to the tribe as bait.

Sorry, I didn't mean to go off with an Anthro 101 lecture...

I am of a mood today.

Gorgeous

8th May 2008 - 11:37 PM

QUOTE

The 'unfortunate' may have a great deal of worth to the tribe as bait.

Now, there's an insight!

g.

Sapo

9th May 2008 - 12:14 AM

For God's sake, a grim one, though!

Gorgeous

9th May 2008 - 08:44 AM

QUOTE (Sapo+May 9 2008, 12:14 AM)

For God's sake, a grim one, though!

Grim ones are the the best! - Now we are armed with knowledge we can do something about, instead of pretending the garden is always 'rosey'.

Vote wisely, if you have to vote at all!

g.

howtothinklikegod

9th May 2008 - 09:20 AM

Humanistic philosophy--apply it.

Trippy

9th May 2008 - 10:02 AM

They - as someone who worked in Mental health for a number of years, your experiences reflect my own.

Derek1148

9th May 2008 - 11:46 AM

QUOTE ("THEY"+May 7 2008, 08:25 PM)

Also, I am not generalizing that all homeless people are crazy. I see plenty of homeless that don't yell at the world. Just that there seem to be many very crazy people that ARE homeless. And I wonder why they aren't taken care of in some facility! (but then again, it does provide much entertainment)

Most the homeless that I have encountered do want physiological counseling. The majority want food (or alcoholic beverages) and depending on the weather some want shelter. There are Union Missions that offer temporary shelter, food, clothing, and counseling. But the missions are reluctant to accept severely deranged individuals due to concerns for the safety of staff and their temporary residents. Some homeless end up in jail.

The streets are extremely cruel. The homeless are beaten and robbed of what few possessions they have (i.e. shoes, jackets, and etc). Some homeless are simply assaulted and battered for nothing more than sadistic reasons. Some die on the streets of diseases. Due to their mental illnesses it is difficult to help them. If one simply gives them money, the homeless will likely spend it on beer or wine. All we can do is help those that we are able to help.

(“There But for the Grace of God go I.”)

howtothinklikegod

10th May 2008 - 01:33 PM

TRIPPY,

i'VE BEEN IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION ONCE....

THAT'S WHAT I CAN CALL HOMELESS.

philip347

10th May 2008 - 03:07 PM

To' why so violent?

Their actions congeal them as a class as their level of civility has been stripped off.
The baser composition of what they actually are, is exposed.
They are a semi-primate, so their function as a being, is no longer occluded to the trees and bush, however located in a hard setting, that distorts what they.

howtothinklikegod

11th May 2008 - 05:18 AM

"to why so violent"

Because they're mad.

Confused2

11th May 2008 - 12:21 PM

A few posters on this forum seem to have 'issues' with homeless and/or 'mad' people. I am wondering whether they have ever actually attacked such a person (physically or verbally) in 'reality' or whether it is the web combination of anonymity and free(ish) speech that removes the need for any 'conscience' which they might otherwise possess.

Edit .. (spelling corrected )

Raphie Frank

11th May 2008 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Confused2+May 11 2008, 12:21 PM)

A few posters on this forum seem to have 'issues' with homeless and/or 'mad' people. I am wondering whether they have ever actually attacked such a person (physically or verbally) in 'reality' or whether it is the web combination of anonymity and free(ish) speech that removes the need for any 'conscience' which they might otherwise posses.

Related to your rumination C2, below is an excerpt from a piece on Masks from the University of Chicago Website. It refers to masks in the physical sense, but anonymity, of course, is a mask in the figurative sense.

mask

People do things they would never have done in their own faces under the new persona of a mask. They become somebody else that they may at any time throw away. Lynching and torture are carried out by people in hoods with circles cut out for eyes. Bandits rob under the anonymity afforded by the mask. Crimes are at an all-time high during Halloween. A normally quiet individual may become loud and debauch under the veil of the night. Because the face acts as a primary identification label, to cover, conceal and disguise it makes possible a number of acts that would usually have been out of character. Even something as mild as everyday makeup produces a change in the person, that is, a rise in confidence that is not felt in the bare face.
http://csmt.uchicago.edu/glossary2004/mask.htm

Also, to add a bit of a twist in terms of the issue of homeless people, one might speculate that at least for some, "seeming" crazy gives one license to act crazy. As far as that goes, one could easily argue that wearing the mantle of "wacko," if done on purpose, represents a figurative form of masking as well.

Best,
RF

Derek1148

11th May 2008 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE (howtothinklikegod+May 11 2008, 05:18 AM)

"to why so violent"

Because they're mad.

The homeless are more likely to be the victims of violent crime than to be the perpetrators.

Gorgeous

11th May 2008 - 05:06 PM

The Planet is everybodies home, and we are all 'mad' while we allow ourselves to trash it.

g.

howtothinklikegod

14th May 2008 - 07:21 AM

QUOTE

The homeless are more likely to be the victims of violent crime than to be the perpetrators.

Yah, right.

We are all victims, anyway.

QUOTE (->

QUOTE

The homeless are more likely to be the victims of violent crime than to be the perpetrators.

Yah, right.

We are all victims, anyway.

The Planet is everybodies home, and we are all 'mad' while we allow ourselves to trash it.

To the point that we won't notice ourselves trashing it.

Gorgeous

14th May 2008 - 11:42 AM

QUOTE (howtothinklikegod+May 14 2008, 07:21 AM)

Yah, right.

We are all victims, anyway.

To the point that we won't notice ourselves trashing it.

We won't want to, because it confirms the madness! Once we admit this we have to do something about it, but we're all so lazy nowadays, and it's easier to say something like, "Well, reality is over-rated anyway, so why bother?". - The madness has gone too far, but luckily we can start again with each new addition, instead of continuing with the blind indoctrination of traditional madness.

It is really just a contradiction of mind-states, and the 'cure' is to find a non-contradictory place, where reason prevails.

g.

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