In the court of law if someone state's that their religion is belief in a multiverse (not going to go into details), does that count as a religion? Even though it's not an actual established one just a theory? thanks.
In a court of law, don't trust legal advice from some guy on the internet. My legal advice is to ask a lawyer.
QUOTE (Bob Khakshooy+Jul 25 2011, 05:31 PM)
In the court of law if someone state's that their religion is belief in a multiverse (not going to go into details), does that count as a religion? Even though it's not an actual established one just a theory? thanks.
Yes, I think it does.
“To determine whether an action of the federal or state government infringes upon a person's right to freedom of religion, the court must decide what qualifies as religion or religious activities for purposes of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons. The religion or religious concept need not include belief in the existence of God or a supreme being to be within the scope of the First Amendment.”
Yes, I think it does.
“To determine whether an action of the federal or state government infringes upon a person's right to freedom of religion, the court must decide what qualifies as religion or religious activities for purposes of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons. The religion or religious concept need not include belief in the existence of God or a supreme being to be within the scope of the First Amendment.”
No
QUOTE (AlexG+Jul 25 2011, 05:54 PM)
No
Come on, Alex.
Don’t just say “No”. Explain why. Please!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(religion)
http://www.law.harvard.edu
Come on, Alex.
Don’t just say “No”. Explain why. Please!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(religion)
http://www.law.harvard.edu
Does a belief in the Tooth Fairy constitute a religion?
Does a belief in a .357 magnum constitute a religion?
Does a belief in gravity constitute a religion?
How far do you take 'belief'?
Does a belief in a .357 magnum constitute a religion?
Does a belief in gravity constitute a religion?
How far do you take 'belief'?
I’ve always argued that atheism is not a religion, but from what I've gathered, it looks like it is "legally". 
"We have already indicated that atheism may be considered, in this specialized sense, a religion. If we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.”
Reed v. Great Lakes Cos., 330 F.3d 931, 934 (7th Cir. 2003)
The U.S. Supreme Court cited Secular Humanism as a religion in the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins (367 U.S. 488).
“The Court in Torcaso rested its decision on "free exercise" grounds, not the "Establishment Clause." Abington v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203, 264-65(1962) J. Brennan, concurring."
James J. Kaufman, Plaintiff-appellant, v. Gary R. Mccaughtry
"We have already indicated that atheism may be considered, in this specialized sense, a religion. If we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.”
Reed v. Great Lakes Cos., 330 F.3d 931, 934 (7th Cir. 2003)
The U.S. Supreme Court cited Secular Humanism as a religion in the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins (367 U.S. 488).
QUOTE
But Torcaso added a new element not present in Barnette. The Maryland test oath involved an attempt to employ essentially religious (albeit nonsectarian) means to achieve a secular goal to which the means bore no reasonable relationship.
“The Court in Torcaso rested its decision on "free exercise" grounds, not the "Establishment Clause." Abington v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203, 264-65(1962) J. Brennan, concurring."
James J. Kaufman, Plaintiff-appellant, v. Gary R. Mccaughtry
I think I see the problem. If you are innocent of any crime and you (somehow) end up in a universe where another 'you' has committed a crime - are you guilty or innocent?
QUOTE (Confused1+)
I think I see the problem. If you are innocent of any crime and you (somehow) end up in a universe where another 'you' has committed a crime - are you guilty or innocent?
“Like gravity, karma is so basic we often don't even notice it.” ~Sakyong Mipham
You are a mastermind, C2. This might explain why synthsin75 is calling me a fundamentalist.
What if there is such a thing as karma and my doppelgänger’s karma is leaking through?
Oh ѕhit! I think this woman may be my Doppelgänger.
NymphaeaAlba’s Doppelgänger
You have to help me do some calculations, C2. If the LISA satellite is able to detect gravitational waves and detect the gravitational forces of parallel universes. Do you think it could detect karma and prove once in for all that I’m not a fundie?
No
QUOTE (Confused1+Jul 28 2011, 01:26 PM)
No
What do you mean "No"? No you won't help me, or no, there's no such thing as karma, or I'll never be able to prove I'm not a fundie? Once again, explain yourself, young man.
What do you mean "No"? No you won't help me, or no, there's no such thing as karma, or I'll never be able to prove I'm not a fundie? Once again, explain yourself, young man.
QUOTE (AlexG+Jul 26 2011, 04:26 AM)
Does a belief in a .357 magnum constitute a religion?
Maybe. What do you know about a .357 magnum?
Maybe. What do you know about a .357 magnum?
QUOTE (Derek1148+Jul 28 2011, 11:15 PM)
Maybe. What do you know about a .357 magnum?
I have two, both 6 inch barrels. They're my range guns. For carry, I prefer a .380 Beretta.
I have two, both 6 inch barrels. They're my range guns. For carry, I prefer a .380 Beretta.
QUOTE (AlexG+Jul 29 2011, 04:29 AM)
I have two, both 6 inch barrels. They're my range guns. For carry, I prefer a .380 Beretta.
Old school huh? I started with Model 10 (38 special). The best gun we carried was a Model 65. (Off duty carried 2 1/2 Model 66)
(Did you know that a 38 special is actually a .357 calibre? That is why you can chamber a 38 special in a .357 magnum gun.)
What models do you have?
Old school huh? I started with Model 10 (38 special). The best gun we carried was a Model 65. (Off duty carried 2 1/2 Model 66)
(Did you know that a 38 special is actually a .357 calibre? That is why you can chamber a 38 special in a .357 magnum gun.)
What models do you have?
QUOTE (NymphaeaAlba+Jul 26 2011, 04:47 AM)
Yes, I think it does.
“To determine whether an action of the federal or state government infringes upon a person's right to freedom of religion, the court must decide what qualifies as religion or religious activities for purposes of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons. The religion or religious concept need not include belief in the existence of God or a supreme being to be within the scope of the First Amendment.”
So could they get tax relief and other preferential treatment as mainstream religion? Something tells me they won't.
“To determine whether an action of the federal or state government infringes upon a person's right to freedom of religion, the court must decide what qualifies as religion or religious activities for purposes of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons. The religion or religious concept need not include belief in the existence of God or a supreme being to be within the scope of the First Amendment.”
So could they get tax relief and other preferential treatment as mainstream religion? Something tells me they won't.
QUOTE (NymphaeaAlba+Jul 28 2011, 10:10 AM)
I’ve always argued that atheism is not a religion, but from what I've gathered, it looks like it is "legally".
"We have already indicated that atheism may be considered, in this specialized sense, a religion. If we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.”
Reed v. Great Lakes Cos., 330 F.3d 931, 934 (7th Cir. 2003)
The U.S. Supreme Court cited Secular Humanism as a religion in the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins (367 U.S. 488).
“The Court in Torcaso rested its decision on "free exercise" grounds, not the "Establishment Clause." Abington v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203, 264-65(1962) J. Brennan, concurring."
James J. Kaufman, Plaintiff-appellant, v. Gary R. Mccaughtry
Good research NymphaeAlba. Great job! I also checked the link you have Alex G. Yeah for purpose of English charity law a belief in god is required. This answers my question, to get tax but one will have to say the multi-verse has a creator or is ruled by some god. Duh!
"We have already indicated that atheism may be considered, in this specialized sense, a religion. If we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.”
Reed v. Great Lakes Cos., 330 F.3d 931, 934 (7th Cir. 2003)
The U.S. Supreme Court cited Secular Humanism as a religion in the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins (367 U.S. 488).
“The Court in Torcaso rested its decision on "free exercise" grounds, not the "Establishment Clause." Abington v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203, 264-65(1962) J. Brennan, concurring."
James J. Kaufman, Plaintiff-appellant, v. Gary R. Mccaughtry
Good research NymphaeAlba. Great job! I also checked the link you have Alex G. Yeah for purpose of English charity law a belief in god is required. This answers my question, to get tax but one will have to say the multi-verse has a creator or is ruled by some god. Duh!
QUOTE (Derek1148+Jul 29 2011, 12:25 AM)
Old school huh? I started with Model 10 (38 special). The best gun we carried was a Model 65. (Off duty carried 2 1/2 Model 66)
(Did you know that a 38 special is actually a .357 calibre? That is why you can chamber a 38 special in a .357 magnum gun.)
What models do you have?
Both .357s are Taurus mod 66. One is actually a mod67 (seven shot). I have a fondness for revolvers. The mechanism is a lot simpler and they never jam. At the range I fire .38 specials because they're considerably cheaper. But I do like the bigger bang of the mag load.
(Did you know that a 38 special is actually a .357 calibre? That is why you can chamber a 38 special in a .357 magnum gun.)
What models do you have?
Both .357s are Taurus mod 66. One is actually a mod67 (seven shot). I have a fondness for revolvers. The mechanism is a lot simpler and they never jam. At the range I fire .38 specials because they're considerably cheaper. But I do like the bigger bang of the mag load.
QUOTE (AlexG+Jul 29 2011, 07:39 PM)
Both .357s are Taurus mod 66. One is actually a mod67 (seven shot). I have a fondness for revolvers. The mechanism is a lot simpler and they never jam. At the range I fire .38 specials because they're considerably cheaper. But I do like the bigger bang of the mag load.
Taurus does make quality products. I mostly was referring to S & W relative to my model numbers. 357 magnums generally have 3 times the muzzle energy (ftlbs.) of a 38 special. That translates to far increased stopping power. But it is cheaper to practice with 38's.
Taurus does make quality products. I mostly was referring to S & W relative to my model numbers. 357 magnums generally have 3 times the muzzle energy (ftlbs.) of a 38 special. That translates to far increased stopping power. But it is cheaper to practice with 38's.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Jul 29 2011, 11:25 PM)
Taurus does make quality products. I mostly was referring to S & W relative to my model numbers. 357 magnums generally have 3 times the muzzle energy (ftlbs.) of a 38 special. That translates to far increased stopping power. But it is cheaper to practice with 38's.
Derek, I don't want you to think I'm ignoring your posts. My computer died, and until I replace it, I'm reduced to posting on a public machine, which I don't have constent access to.
Derek, I don't want you to think I'm ignoring your posts. My computer died, and until I replace it, I'm reduced to posting on a public machine, which I don't have constent access to.
QUOTE (AlexG+Jul 31 2011, 02:41 AM)
Derek, I don't want you to think I'm ignoring your posts. My computer died, and until I replace it, I'm reduced to posting on a public machine, which I don't have constent access to.
No problem.
No problem.
QUOTE (AlexG+)
My computer died
Magnum or 38 special?
Magnum or 38 special?
QUOTE (Bob Khakshooy+Jul 26 2011, 01:31 AM)
In the court of law if someone state's that their religion is belief in a multiverse (not going to go into details), does that count as a religion? Even though it's not an actual established one just a theory? thanks.
the founding fathers assumed all religions are a derivative of the One "supremo" American God. so basically you fall under USA Christian law no matter what, cause he is the god of gods. see mystery solved for multiverse issues, God of gods.. nice touch . very slick.
court date ?
the founding fathers assumed all religions are a derivative of the One "supremo" American God. so basically you fall under USA Christian law no matter what, cause he is the god of gods. see mystery solved for multiverse issues, God of gods.. nice touch . very slick.
court date ?
Getting back to the OP's question. If I were to believe in a multiverse it would be a religion. I personally have no scientific knowledge or evidence that would back up such a belief for me. If a physicist believed in a multiverse it might not be religion. He may have evidence and knowledge that supports his belief.
Religion is faith based. It is believing without evidence to support your belief. Now many Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. would disagree with me on this point. But they cannot point to one piece of evidence that they claim supports their faith to the exclusion of others that a member of another faith would agree on. If the physicist has good evidence he could show it to others and others would agree. Also other physicists could independently find the same evidence.
Once you have a real world reason to believe in something it is no longer a religion.
Religion is faith based. It is believing without evidence to support your belief. Now many Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. would disagree with me on this point. But they cannot point to one piece of evidence that they claim supports their faith to the exclusion of others that a member of another faith would agree on. If the physicist has good evidence he could show it to others and others would agree. Also other physicists could independently find the same evidence.
Once you have a real world reason to believe in something it is no longer a religion.
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