In 2002, Gary McKinnon was arrested by the UK's national high-tech crime unit, after being accused of hacking into Nasa and the US military computer networks.
He says he spent two years looking for photographic evidence of alien spacecraft and advanced power technology.
America now wants to put him on trial, and if tried there he could face 60 years behind bars.
Read more... (BBC)
In two years he was not able to save a text file or an image?
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There is a cover-up, but its not what you think...
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defence program. It was a cold-war stratagy developed after WWII when advanced designs were obtained from Nazi scientists.
Groomlake Nevada tests advanced aircraft under the cover of darkness...
Sorry...no aliens...just aircraft, weapons, test pilots and technical evaluation...
I always find it funny that the the ONLY people deluded by this, are the US public...the rest of the world is FULLY aware of its true nature. It is well documented.
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defence program. It was a cold-war stratagy developed after WWII when advanced designs were obtained from Nazi scientists.
Groomlake Nevada tests advanced aircraft under the cover of darkness...
Sorry...no aliens...just aircraft, weapons, test pilots and technical evaluation...
I always find it funny that the the ONLY people deluded by this, are the US public...the rest of the world is FULLY aware of its true nature. It is well documented.
Why are they hiding everything from us?
Maybe, they should understand why they're the favorite of hackers.
Maybe, they should understand why they're the favorite of hackers.
Hacked into NASA to find top secret files? Someone should have told him he was waisting his time. 
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GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.
I have never heard of using WordPad as a means of online communication. Is this even possible?
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| GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange. |
I have never heard of using WordPad as a means of online communication. Is this even possible?
GM: Once I was cut off, my picture just disappeared.
SK: You were actually cut off the time you were downloading the picture?
GM: Yes, I saw the guy's hand move across.
Excuse me... This makes no sense whatsoever.
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GM: No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time.
uhhh....printscreen?
QUOTE (MMC+May 20 2006, 09:21 PM)
There is a cover-up, but its not what you think...
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defense program. It was a cold-war stratagy developed after WWII when advanced designs were obtained from Nazi scientists.
Groomlake Nevada tests advanced aircraft under the cover of darkness...
Sorry...no aliens...just aircraft, weapons, test pilots and technical evaluation...
I always find it funny that the the ONLY people deluded by this, are the US public...the rest of the world is FULLY aware of its true nature. It is well documented.
Then how do you account for all the videos, pictures, credible reports, not to mention HISTORICAL records of sightings by previous civilizations (pesky Americans again?) .. do I know what they are? no, but I have looked into this and there is way way to much data just to be blown off.. you know who blows of so much data? people who are unaware of how much data there really is, and have failed to look into it.. it's kinda like global warming, you tell the lie of it being mankind's fault long enough, and most people will begin to believe it..
I know aviation very well.. how do you account for all the data about UFO's? our govt. running around the planet making these things up in the FORMER Soviet Union and Eastern Block states? in China? Mexico City in front of millions of people? radar tracks that are RECORDED of objects doing things that no aircraft on this planet can do?
Enlighten me on how this could have been done, and is being done to distract attention from military proving grounds that the most of the PLANET already knows where they are, and what they do there? what is there to hide? the exhaust patterns from Pulse Jet Engines in the sky? Sonic Wave Detonation Engine patterns in the sky? The Aurora taking off? what? it's advanced aviation research and construction..
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defense program. It was a cold-war stratagy developed after WWII when advanced designs were obtained from Nazi scientists.
Groomlake Nevada tests advanced aircraft under the cover of darkness...
Sorry...no aliens...just aircraft, weapons, test pilots and technical evaluation...
I always find it funny that the the ONLY people deluded by this, are the US public...the rest of the world is FULLY aware of its true nature. It is well documented.
Then how do you account for all the videos, pictures, credible reports, not to mention HISTORICAL records of sightings by previous civilizations (pesky Americans again?) .. do I know what they are? no, but I have looked into this and there is way way to much data just to be blown off.. you know who blows of so much data? people who are unaware of how much data there really is, and have failed to look into it.. it's kinda like global warming, you tell the lie of it being mankind's fault long enough, and most people will begin to believe it..
I know aviation very well.. how do you account for all the data about UFO's? our govt. running around the planet making these things up in the FORMER Soviet Union and Eastern Block states? in China? Mexico City in front of millions of people? radar tracks that are RECORDED of objects doing things that no aircraft on this planet can do?
Enlighten me on how this could have been done, and is being done to distract attention from military proving grounds that the most of the PLANET already knows where they are, and what they do there? what is there to hide? the exhaust patterns from Pulse Jet Engines in the sky? Sonic Wave Detonation Engine patterns in the sky? The Aurora taking off? what? it's advanced aviation research and construction..
As Bill Hicks put it, why would aliens fly half way across the universe, only to end up in places like Fife, Alabama...?
Get a grip...there is a reason why these sightings all coincide with US military bases.
Get a grip...there is a reason why these sightings all coincide with US military bases.
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I have never heard of using WordPad as a means of online communication. Is this even possible?
Its not like instant message...the guy must have had remote control...rather like PC anywhere. When he says he 'saw the guys hand move across', he must be talking about someone observing his actions and then taking control of the session.
He should have given up at this point...and ran.
QUOTE (MMC+May 24 2006, 03:45 AM)
As Bill Hicks put it, why would aliens fly half way across the universe, only to end up in places like Fife, Alabama...?
Get a grip...there is a reason why these sightings all coincide with US military bases.
Proof.. we dont need no stinking proof.. dam the facts.. full speed ahead..
and BTW.. you CAN use word pad as a type of IM client.. it was somewhat common before the Internet.. when it was more of a intranet it was how people spoke with each other, and it is still used to this day, but most people are not even aware of how to do it..
Get a grip...there is a reason why these sightings all coincide with US military bases.
Proof.. we dont need no stinking proof.. dam the facts.. full speed ahead..
and BTW.. you CAN use word pad as a type of IM client.. it was somewhat common before the Internet.. when it was more of a intranet it was how people spoke with each other, and it is still used to this day, but most people are not even aware of how to do it..
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Proof.. we dont need no stinking proof.. dam the facts.. full speed ahead..
I've seen that attitude quite a bit around here...
his method of hacking was through a remote server such as VNC but most likely of his own means I know many government networks use a VNC of some kind so he could have just hacked into those systems using that.
When you are using a VNC like system you have control of that system as if your screen is their screen. You move the mouse and they can see the cursor move. VNC generally uses mouse/keyboard apis and it takes screenshots sends the data over the internet and then reconstructs them on the hackers side. java is of course the programming language of choice for this situation due to its nature.
The notepad thing is easy to understand. he had notepad open and he would type something, the person on the other side would see what he typed and write down a response using his keyboard... the hacker would look at the response and continue with the conversation...
When you are using a VNC like system you have control of that system as if your screen is their screen. You move the mouse and they can see the cursor move. VNC generally uses mouse/keyboard apis and it takes screenshots sends the data over the internet and then reconstructs them on the hackers side. java is of course the programming language of choice for this situation due to its nature.
The notepad thing is easy to understand. he had notepad open and he would type something, the person on the other side would see what he typed and write down a response using his keyboard... the hacker would look at the response and continue with the conversation...
The government is simply using him as a scapegoat. They are ashamed to admit that their own systems were pitifully easy to break into. Now we know Xanthians are invading Earth to turn us all into breakfast treats. How frightening!
haha the truth is out =D stargate sg1 wasnt lieing!
QUOTE (NickFun+May 25 2006, 05:16 AM)
The government is simply using him as a scapegoat. They are ashamed to admit that their own systems were pitifully easy to break into. Now we know Xanthians are invading Earth to turn us all into breakfast treats. How frightening!
Breakfast treats?
Now I am really pissed. I had heard we were going to be their sex slaves and they looked like female swedish models...
Dam*!
(And Totally bummed)
Breakfast treats?
Now I am really pissed. I had heard we were going to be their sex slaves and they looked like female swedish models...
Dam*!
(And Totally bummed)
QUOTE (MMC+May 20 2006, 02:21 PM)
There is a cover-up, but its not what you think...
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defense program. It was a cold-war strategy developed after WWII when advanced designs were obtained from Nazi scientists.
Groom lake Nevada tests advanced aircraft under the cover of darkness...
Sorry...no aliens...just aircraft, weapons, test pilots and technical evaluation...
I always find it funny that the the ONLY people deluded by this, are the US public...the rest of the world is FULLY aware of its true nature. It is well documented.
This may be truth but it says no thing toward disproving that all other galaxies are uninhabited and do not know how to travel here under their own cover of darkness or of light. I think you must have no imagination nor foresight. Are you seriously disputing that "alien beings" do not exist ?
I believe it to be the height of arrogance on the part of man to think he is the most advanced of forms. I think we are one form of humanoid, for lack of a better term to define. Crop circles. Do you think those are not codes from other world beings. Who on earth can do such things ?
I cant believe the simpleness and arrogance in man at times. How shallow to think we are so alone in the universe. No Gods No Other Planets inhabited....all alone as the most wonderful of beasts. Please try to stop being such peevish bores.
There is so much more going on than the naked eye can see. Read up and be learned. If you are not interested in life, in a myriad of forms, and not interested in mans destiny beyond what we are experiencing right now in time then why study science at all?
Don't quite comprehend why this subject is so often categorized as off limits. The races of more evolved planets must find us curiouser and curiouser in our lack of understanding of life and our attempts to stay here in ignorance our very lack of effort to evolve beyond this vile thing we have become.
I believe the truth is we humans are an Divine Experiment and you guys are making the good of us look like failures.
We can only evolve, progress as a living creature, as fast as the collective will allow us to move forward. Not many have dared to learn more about potential for progress in man. Brain research is going no-where really. Science is advancing a teeny-tiny step at a time, for all its daring hypothesis'. There is probably no funding for the more important things, because you process information, with such insane, impossible standards, it is just so wrong.
You will not let God enter science. Nor philosophy, nor even humanism which leaves. You will not integrate anything of real help to you into your little mad world and yet...you play as gods with your experiment. I say, it is interesting but I am not laughing. Not at you and not with you. That would be wrong. Because I do not agree with it in theory i feel that you are quite lost, and so, it wouldn't be right to smirk about it.
I just feel a bit more impatient than I did as a small child and a bit more jaded and then....oh hell i guess I do sort of laugh at you all sometimes, but mostly I am very very bored with your lack of real knowledge about things you call meta-physical but will not look into. I think you are peevish bores.
I have communicated with angels and daemons and with alien life forms. I came here to ask questions but no one will take even the slightest bit of strangeness with any seriousness. Every day I find you more and more vain and honestly rather silly at the same time. I can see why Tesla and Einstein were abused at first. you couldn't fit thier ideas into your tiny little boxes of thought.
Well i suppose that is enough for now. I just cant imagine how we came to prosper in any capacity since we seem to be de-evolving as we move into the next century. No one in here wishes to talk about the otherworldly as if we are the world and that is all.
It is very very interesting though. i must admit. Brainwashed to the death of the imagination, so many of you and you just take it like it is good for you. It is foul medicine this slowing of you imagination they have put upon you it is the elixer of death...
I think you, as a crowd, have not read the right books, nor watched the right movies... nor read anything but scientific text sometimes...and for the most part, most of you appear to be very simple minded, therefore you must be made up of mainly Americans. FOR WHAT IVE BEEN READING IN HERE FOR THESE MONTHS...YOU ARE NOT VERY CREATIVE. And you lack the ability to open up your thoughts it seems. i do feel for you, much sympahty. It is terribly unhealthy.
I love a good immigrant, they have moxie, and imagination still, i get much more understanding from foreigners who were not tarnished by America's educational system. Don't get me wrong I love her natural beauty her people who stay close to the Earth and her power to become a melting pot, but all in all shes become a nation of empty politic-ing, selfish consumerist philandering and unimaginative oafs, especially in the arena of the sciences. (i can only add the last bit of late)
I didn't know how bad it was getting until I found people of educated status being more moronic than your average guy about paranormal abilities.
Good luck with your sciences, you are going no-where fast.
( this has been my height of arrogance)
haters of alien beings, angels and people who can leave the body at will...sloughing it off like a dirty garment...you can sit there and decide if you are right for the rest of yourlives. I think you are silly.
Do have try to fun with you'r slow progress....keep believing that man is ALL IMPORTANT and nothing else matters in the UNIVERSE. That seems to be working for the majority of you.
Good Luck with it.
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defense program. It was a cold-war strategy developed after WWII when advanced designs were obtained from Nazi scientists.
Groom lake Nevada tests advanced aircraft under the cover of darkness...
Sorry...no aliens...just aircraft, weapons, test pilots and technical evaluation...
I always find it funny that the the ONLY people deluded by this, are the US public...the rest of the world is FULLY aware of its true nature. It is well documented.
This may be truth but it says no thing toward disproving that all other galaxies are uninhabited and do not know how to travel here under their own cover of darkness or of light. I think you must have no imagination nor foresight. Are you seriously disputing that "alien beings" do not exist ?
I believe it to be the height of arrogance on the part of man to think he is the most advanced of forms. I think we are one form of humanoid, for lack of a better term to define. Crop circles. Do you think those are not codes from other world beings. Who on earth can do such things ?
I cant believe the simpleness and arrogance in man at times. How shallow to think we are so alone in the universe. No Gods No Other Planets inhabited....all alone as the most wonderful of beasts. Please try to stop being such peevish bores.
There is so much more going on than the naked eye can see. Read up and be learned. If you are not interested in life, in a myriad of forms, and not interested in mans destiny beyond what we are experiencing right now in time then why study science at all?
Don't quite comprehend why this subject is so often categorized as off limits. The races of more evolved planets must find us curiouser and curiouser in our lack of understanding of life and our attempts to stay here in ignorance our very lack of effort to evolve beyond this vile thing we have become.
I believe the truth is we humans are an Divine Experiment and you guys are making the good of us look like failures.
We can only evolve, progress as a living creature, as fast as the collective will allow us to move forward. Not many have dared to learn more about potential for progress in man. Brain research is going no-where really. Science is advancing a teeny-tiny step at a time, for all its daring hypothesis'. There is probably no funding for the more important things, because you process information, with such insane, impossible standards, it is just so wrong.
You will not let God enter science. Nor philosophy, nor even humanism which leaves. You will not integrate anything of real help to you into your little mad world and yet...you play as gods with your experiment. I say, it is interesting but I am not laughing. Not at you and not with you. That would be wrong. Because I do not agree with it in theory i feel that you are quite lost, and so, it wouldn't be right to smirk about it.
I just feel a bit more impatient than I did as a small child and a bit more jaded and then....oh hell i guess I do sort of laugh at you all sometimes, but mostly I am very very bored with your lack of real knowledge about things you call meta-physical but will not look into. I think you are peevish bores.
I have communicated with angels and daemons and with alien life forms. I came here to ask questions but no one will take even the slightest bit of strangeness with any seriousness. Every day I find you more and more vain and honestly rather silly at the same time. I can see why Tesla and Einstein were abused at first. you couldn't fit thier ideas into your tiny little boxes of thought.
Well i suppose that is enough for now. I just cant imagine how we came to prosper in any capacity since we seem to be de-evolving as we move into the next century. No one in here wishes to talk about the otherworldly as if we are the world and that is all.
It is very very interesting though. i must admit. Brainwashed to the death of the imagination, so many of you and you just take it like it is good for you. It is foul medicine this slowing of you imagination they have put upon you it is the elixer of death...
I think you, as a crowd, have not read the right books, nor watched the right movies... nor read anything but scientific text sometimes...and for the most part, most of you appear to be very simple minded, therefore you must be made up of mainly Americans. FOR WHAT IVE BEEN READING IN HERE FOR THESE MONTHS...YOU ARE NOT VERY CREATIVE. And you lack the ability to open up your thoughts it seems. i do feel for you, much sympahty. It is terribly unhealthy.
I love a good immigrant, they have moxie, and imagination still, i get much more understanding from foreigners who were not tarnished by America's educational system. Don't get me wrong I love her natural beauty her people who stay close to the Earth and her power to become a melting pot, but all in all shes become a nation of empty politic-ing, selfish consumerist philandering and unimaginative oafs, especially in the arena of the sciences. (i can only add the last bit of late)
I didn't know how bad it was getting until I found people of educated status being more moronic than your average guy about paranormal abilities.
Good luck with your sciences, you are going no-where fast.
( this has been my height of arrogance)
haters of alien beings, angels and people who can leave the body at will...sloughing it off like a dirty garment...you can sit there and decide if you are right for the rest of yourlives. I think you are silly.
Do have try to fun with you'r slow progress....keep believing that man is ALL IMPORTANT and nothing else matters in the UNIVERSE. That seems to be working for the majority of you.
Good Luck with it.
QUOTE (MMC+May 23 2006, 08:45 PM)
As Bill Hicks put it, why would aliens fly half way across the universe, only to end up in places like Fife, Alabama...?
Get a grip...there is a reason why these sightings all coincide with US military bases.
You might be the one in need of a Reality Check.
If you are trying to say that man is the highest order of beast please reconsider.
I have seen UFO's some are near to invisable. I once saw a circle of light hovering in the distance....when I called my children to come and look it had come to sit right before my face, for a miniscule second and then, it was gone with an incredible, speed. I had just finished my sentance when it was gone. They ran to see, within about a half minute but it had been long gone, for forever...the whole thing happened in the time it took to call them.
I have seen many craft. I saw them in Arizona, when we were travelin across country, in California and in Hawaii ~ many times, my friends have seen them too...sure but I have seen craft no man could create. You have got to be kidding if you think man is the highest order of being. We are very much in kinderland here. Of this fact I am absolutly positive.
I have spoken to alien beings.
They are here.
Can you explain why there would not be inhabitants of other places who make us look like monkeys?
What do you think crop circles are anyway?
Please dont say men have made them.
Get a grip...there is a reason why these sightings all coincide with US military bases.
You might be the one in need of a Reality Check.
If you are trying to say that man is the highest order of beast please reconsider.
I have seen UFO's some are near to invisable. I once saw a circle of light hovering in the distance....when I called my children to come and look it had come to sit right before my face, for a miniscule second and then, it was gone with an incredible, speed. I had just finished my sentance when it was gone. They ran to see, within about a half minute but it had been long gone, for forever...the whole thing happened in the time it took to call them.
I have seen many craft. I saw them in Arizona, when we were travelin across country, in California and in Hawaii ~ many times, my friends have seen them too...sure but I have seen craft no man could create. You have got to be kidding if you think man is the highest order of being. We are very much in kinderland here. Of this fact I am absolutly positive.
I have spoken to alien beings.
They are here.
Can you explain why there would not be inhabitants of other places who make us look like monkeys?
What do you think crop circles are anyway?
Please dont say men have made them.
QUOTE (Masked Marauder+May 25 2006, 12:35 PM)
QUOTE (NickFun+May 25 2006, 05:16 AM)
The government is simply using him as a scapegoat. They are ashamed to admit that their own systems were pitifully easy to break into. Now we know Xanthians are invading Earth to turn us all into breakfast treats. How frightening!
Breakfast treats?
Now I am really pissed. I had heard we were going to be their sex slaves and they looked like female swedish models...
Dam*!
(And Totally bummed)
Sounds like the male light~beings from the Tales of Enoch and the White Brotherhood. Sorry the feminine did not come to sow their eggs. These light~men came to inseminate the girls/women of Earth with partly alien babies. We were the "field" that needed plowing/sowing with alien seed... not the opposite effect.
But you keep yer dreams baby!
They are cute!
Breakfast treats?
Now I am really pissed. I had heard we were going to be their sex slaves and they looked like female swedish models...
Dam*!
(And Totally bummed)
Sounds like the male light~beings from the Tales of Enoch and the White Brotherhood. Sorry the feminine did not come to sow their eggs. These light~men came to inseminate the girls/women of Earth with partly alien babies. We were the "field" that needed plowing/sowing with alien seed... not the opposite effect.
But you keep yer dreams baby!
They are cute!
Maybe Alien Beings are trying to figure out when we are going to do something about our problems....
perhaps we are not so freaking advanced as men.
http://sonic200.com/others/tuongphan.htm
my point lies in these sorts of things, I say we are in kinder~garden kids.
perhaps we are not so freaking advanced as men.
http://sonic200.com/others/tuongphan.htm
my point lies in these sorts of things, I say we are in kinder~garden kids.
QUOTE (Masked Marauder+May 25 2006, 07:35 PM)
QUOTE (NickFun+May 25 2006, 05:16 AM)
The government is simply using him as a scapegoat. They are ashamed to admit that their own systems were pitifully easy to break into. Now we know Xanthians are invading Earth to turn us all into breakfast treats. How frightening!
Breakfast treats?
Now I am really pissed. I had heard we were going to be their sex slaves and they looked like female swedish models...
Dam*!
(And Totally bummed)
You may also be correct as there is more than one race of intelliegent beings invading the Earth. Perhaps we would be given the choice to become breakfast treats or sex slaves. I know which one I'd rather be!
If you are trying to say that man is the highest order of beast please reconsider.
Not without proof.
Not without proof.
I have seen UFO's some are near to invisable. I once saw a circle of light hovering in the distance....when I called my children to come and look it had come to sit right before my face, for a miniscule second and then, it was gone with an incredible, speed. I had just finished my sentance when it was gone. They ran to see, within about a half minute but it had been long gone, for forever...the whole thing happened in the time it took to call them.
Hovering bright lights moving at speed, altering direction, or even stopping are not uncommon in nature. Street lighting causes us to miss a lot. Also, the military need to test aircraft and missiles...it provides cover for their work.
I have seen many craft. I saw them in Arizona, when we were travelin across country, in California and in Hawaii ~ many times, my friends have seen them too...sure but I have seen craft no man could create. You have got to be kidding if you think man is the highest order of being. We are very much in kinderland here. Of this fact I am absolutly positive.
Again, show me proof.
Again, show me proof.
I have spoken to alien beings.
I was beginning to suspect that...
They are here.
It must be a shame that you're not.
It must be a shame that you're not.
Can you explain why there would not be inhabitants of other places who make us look like monkeys?
No one could, no one would either. There is just no evidence to support such an analysis.
What do you think crop circles are anyway?
Why would aliens talk to corn?
Are they making a political statement about our leaders?
Vote Ficus!
Why would aliens talk to corn?
Are they making a political statement about our leaders?
Vote Ficus!
Please dont say men have made them.
Its hardly going to be a dumb-*** alien who can't tell the difference between a cornfield and a city...now is it?
If you are trying to say that man is the highest order of beast please reconsider.
Not without proof.
Not without proof.
I have seen UFO's some are near to invisable. I once saw a circle of light hovering in the distance....when I called my children to come and look it had come to sit right before my face, for a miniscule second and then, it was gone with an incredible, speed. I had just finished my sentance when it was gone. They ran to see, within about a half minute but it had been long gone, for forever...the whole thing happened in the time it took to call them.
Hovering bright lights moving at speed, altering direction, or even stopping are not uncommon in nature. Street lighting causes us to miss a lot. Also, the military need to test aircraft and missiles...it provides cover for their work.
I have seen many craft. I saw them in Arizona, when we were travelin across country, in California and in Hawaii ~ many times, my friends have seen them too...sure but I have seen craft no man could create. You have got to be kidding if you think man is the highest order of being. We are very much in kinderland here. Of this fact I am absolutly positive.
Again, show me proof.
Again, show me proof.
I have spoken to alien beings.
I was beginning to suspect that...
They are here.
It must be a shame that you're not.
It must be a shame that you're not.
Can you explain why there would not be inhabitants of other places who make us look like monkeys?
No one could, no one would either. There is just no evidence to support such an analysis.
What do you think crop circles are anyway?
Why would aliens talk to corn?
Are they making a political statement about our leaders?
Vote Ficus!
Why would aliens talk to corn?
Are they making a political statement about our leaders?
Vote Ficus!
Please dont say men have made them.
Its hardly going to be a dumb-*** alien who can't tell the difference between a cornfield and a city...now is it?
Hey booooohaaa haha hah hah hah hah !
I bet your "friends" and family members need no proof that even though they can see it...somehow your head still seems to be stuck waaaaay up your buttkiss.
Peace!
I have seen them many times so I know they are around.
Was Elvis with them?
I have seen them many times so I know they are around.
Was Elvis with them?
lets see...that was about twelve years ago...on Christmas Day...I was looking up at Mauna Kea and reminising about home and the snow was taking me back....when i saw a light craft...it was amazing not circular like a saucer but circular like a ferris wheel and turning as such...it seemed phospheresent, and it was moving ever so slowly...hovering an incalculable distance away...the size could not be determined...I squinted and called for the boys, they came running...it swooped in at magical speeds and sat before my self...about a mile maybe distant, then faster than the eye can travel it was off to my left and gone, the kids pushed through the front door saying what is it mom...I dont think Elvis was even playing on the radio~ so no, would be my guess...but maybe he WAS there, you just never know do ya?
oh but you were being dicklike=facitious weren't cha?
I dont mind go ahead have fun~ but dont always have fun at my expense, go pick on some dude sometimes how about it...maybe they will kick your a$$....
HEY! ~was Elvis at yer last birthday party little one?
if you want to get serious I wont hold this against you but come on! I am not that freaking crazy...
This non-profit has assembled 450+ current and former members of the military, DOE, FAA, and private industry willing to testify under oath not only that the government (not as you may think of it) it quite aware of ET visitation to earth, and possesses advanced technology associated with ET in addition to very advanced, earth changing (and mind boggling) technology of terrestrial origin .
Yet, they can't provide a shred of evidence to support themselves...
Remember this:
Yet, they can't provide a shred of evidence to support themselves...
Remember this:
There is a cover-up, but its not what you think...
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defense program. It was a cold-war stratagy developed after WWII when advanced designs were obtained from Nazi scientists.
Groomlake Nevada tests advanced aircraft under the cover of darkness...
Sorry...no aliens...just aircraft, weapons, test pilots and technical evaluation...
I always find it funny that the the ONLY people deluded by this, are the US public...the rest of the world is FULLY aware of its true nature. It is well documented.
Now consider what you had noted:
450+ current and former members of the military, DOE, FAA, and private industry willing to testify under oath
Not exactly worth much, is it?
What evidence would it take for you to reach the point where you consider it a significant possibility that ET visits earth?
Hard-core proof...an intelligent being...a functional craft...that sort of thing.
Any good scientist will tell you that seeing is not believing. No good scientist would attempt to measure something by eye, always with an scale, or probe, etc.. From a scientific standpoint, well corroborated radar data is better than seeing, even at close range.
Radar cannot tell you what an object is, only that it is there.
Its useless data.
Radar cannot tell you what an object is, only that it is there.
Its useless data.
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defense program.
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
If you think about it, it counts as a military deployment against the citizens of the US, in direct violation of the US constitution...
GMILAM
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GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.
I have never heard of using WordPad as a means of online communication. Is this even possible?
yes, it is possible. infact, i've done this. it requires a remote connection to another computer that allows you to take full control of the desktop. the host computer to which you are connected will do whatever you want it to do. it'll open up word and whatever you type on your computer will show up on the host computer. anyone near the host computer will be able to see this and can also type into word. in this way you can exchange messages through word. i've only succeeded in doing this with computers connected to networks.
i've only succeeded in doing this with computers connected to networks.
Well, you would hardly obtain a remote connection to a PC over an onion, now would you?
What evidence would it take for you to reach the point where you consider it a significant possibility that ET visits earth?
Hard-core proof...an intelligent being...a functional craft...that sort of thing.
read up! i have already provided some good books n my posts and some referance links to two books that may help someone like yourself.
talk to your friends even see how many will come clean about possible sightings....but dont expect them to tell if you have already let on how closed-minded you are about it.
check out the mound builders
check out crop circles....
is this the only place you frequent?
ask all around....be open.
maybe you will let your self be convinced of a few things and maybe you wont
it is up to you after all...what you choose to believe in.....
lastly dont be sheep-like
find out for yourself
be yourself but
dont always pride yourself for heavy skepticism
it is a crutch too you know
is this the only place you frequent?
ask all around....be open.
maybe you will let your self be convinced of a few things and maybe you wont
it is up to you after all...what you choose to believe in.....
Considering I had said this:
Considering I had said this:
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
How 'persuasive' do you think your arguement sounds?...or creepy for that matter?
Radar cannot tell you what an object is, only that it is there.
Its useless data.
Radar is capable of determining the approximate size of an object, can track its movement, altitude and location w.r.t. time. Available corroborated data shows objects that are way too big (like the size of a naval vessel or a suspension bridge in some cases), moving way to fast, like 5-20 thousand knots, with way too much acceleration to be conventional.
I am not clear about the purpose of the psyop that you mention and the relationship to your facts list. I take it you contend that the goal of UFO disinformation would be to hide conventional black technology and activity? Such mock UFO evidence leaks, (that I think you are stating people like me mistake for the real thing) would draw more attention and curiosity than it would prevent. Attention and curiosity are in opposition to secrecy.
I agree with several of your facts in the right context. As far as number seven, again, "hardcore" is not well defined. I am still not clear as to what you consider evidence. Please read my previous post again if necessary and please give it some thought because it is really at the core of this debate, and I would like to hear your thoughts (perhaps an example).
As I discussed above, there is really no absolute proof of anything, and everything is relative. To state facts as you have (i.e. of very high certainty/probability) must mean the quantity and quality of supporting evidence is overwhelming. Your argument would be much stronger if you included the source of the evidence for each fact, or a claim of some evidence, at least for the more contentious facts on your list.
We seem to differ on what can be considered evidence. People are sent to their death or life in prison in the US based on eye-whiteness testimony from people with less apparent credibility than The Disclosure Project witnesses! BTW although The Disclosure Project is one of the best pieces of evidence out there, the evidence goes well beyond it.
With regards to your last statement, I think we agree 100% and disagree only on the details. It appears that the constitution is being subverted in any case.
is this the only place you frequent?
ask all around....be open.
maybe you will let your self be convinced of a few things and maybe you wont
it is up to you after all...what you choose to believe in.....
Considering I had said this:
Considering I had said this:
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
How 'persuasive' do you think your arguement sounds?...or creepy for that matter?
whatever dude I am not the creepy one.
i never looked in to all that hype you did. I just learned in simple ways like seeing craft and learning about ancient mysteries.
oh maybe talking to the aliens is a little creepy. if you think of that movie ET
so maybe...you are right
i should be sure to mention they are "attractive"
so i have been told
GMILAM
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GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.
I have never heard of using WordPad as a means of online communication. Is this even possible?
yes, it is possible. infact, i've done this. it requires a remote connection to another computer that allows you to take full control of the desktop. the host computer to which you are connected will do whatever you want it to do. it'll open up word and whatever you type on your computer will show up on the host computer. anyone near the host computer will be able to see this and can also type into word. in this way you can exchange messages through word. i've only succeeded in doing this with computers connected to networks.
why is it that when a person is ignorant about a subject they find it so easy to dispute it by any means possible without fearing looking like a fool when it becomes obvious as a truth....i have given this for an example of a simple truth (such as mine) being blasted by an innocent....because they did not know that the thing was actually possible....then when the third party knowingly states it was commonplace in the past the innocent one has nothing to say....they usually never apologise nor admit wrong or defeat...as if that is against their ethical policy...but slander is fine and stupid abuse of power of persuasion is employed in making the first speaker look like a freak.
I wont expect you will apologise to me but one day maybe you will see how innocent you are being right now, under the guise of being a rational skeptic...good luck with your image. I am interested in truth. I dont care (obviously) that I may seem ridiculous while I search for it. At least i am unbiased, and even open minded to your ideas. I would be like you had I not lived this life I can be sure. I have seen many craft that man could not have made. No way in heaven or hell. So if that is creepy. Then I guess I am creepy to innocents.
Not that it is necessarily the case for you MMC, but many people are overly skeptical of UFO topics because of fear of being different than the majority and fear of losing credibility as a result of the ridicule factor surrounding this topic. Never underestimate the cultural influence that the powers-that-be are capable of exerting on us. Nothing is black and white, not even the concept of "knowing" itself. All I seek is the truth, whatever the cost.
A few thoughts about that... SR71, F-117, B-2, Aurora, Phased Array, good luck on find out anything on Intel community ops, and covert ops.... need more?
A few thoughts about that... SR71, F-117, B-2, Aurora, Phased Array, good luck on find out anything on Intel community ops, and covert ops.... need more?
And perhaps, Note the word perhaps, we have had the opportunity to reverse engineer some spectacular science that was left behind in an accident or some other such mishap.
Who knows for sure, but I have friends who have worked at DOE in New Mexico, at Sandia Labs and such, and have said that we would not believe the things that they have and are working on.. and would not go any further than that.
and these people were of fine reputation, sound mind and so forth. I would say that if I were running the show and found some neat toys to play with, I would more than likely take them into my own private garage and not too willing to share with others... i.e. governments not sharing with us and so forth...
Fun to think about, regardless of the facts behind them. and I have seen an item or two that in all honesty I have no clue what they were, but quite spectacular... and if we have items that can move like that, we are doing real well in the technology center.... much more than I would have anticipated.....
As for being alone in the universe, not a chance. and having someone keep watch on us? I would almost be willing to bet on it. We are a frightful bunch with some rather large M80's that might not only hurt us, but hurt others as well.... and you know how it is with kids and things that go "bang"....
So, I would not be surprised to find out that something or someone else was waiting for us to grow up a bit.... then stopping in to say howdy... as for interference with us in natural disasters? that I would doubt, then we would be obliged to ask why they did not help before....... and that might open a bigger can of worms... I think for the most part we are on our own, as long as we stay in our own neighborhood.....
MM
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
You are out of your mind. People are providing you with much opposing information, and you still cling like a baby to the mothers breast. Sorry if your afraid, but some of us are watching the seasons change without so much fear and resistance.
Good luck with your state of innocense (I appreciate that, in its own "cute" way) but time for a bottle, and then on to a cup. one day, mayhaps, little one.
(be sure to get even!)
http://regenerating-universe.org/Where_are_Aliens_hiding.htm
You are out of your mind. People are providing you with much opposing information, and you still cling like a baby to the mothers breast. Sorry if your afraid, but some of us are watching the seasons change without so much fear and resistance.
Good luck with your state of innocense (I appreciate that, in its own "cute" way) but time for a bottle, and then on to a cup. one day, mayhaps, little one.
Only in America...
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
Face it...the entire planet thinks you lot are idiots...
Face it...the entire planet thinks you lot are idiots...
Or maybe just most of the people who have seen actual evidence of UFO's Know that you are a smug jerk.
whatever!
Me neither and a very good point. Perhaps the secrecy/denial comes from the same deliberations by the top US military. Fortunately they return the repeatedly abducted people after giving them a "medical". But offcause this still scares the .... out of them (see Whitley Strieber: "Communion"). It seems we are guiniepigs so far and not yet victims, but who know what the future brings?
Thx for the links SC2, there are >1Gb video
If there is NothinG out there it seems that an awfull lot of people have let them selves deceive by...?...what really?
If there is SomethinG out there it seems the goverments have an akward time explaining ahead of them. One or the other.
I dont think the UFO withnesses come in that category though. They are often independent people who tell their story and risking their reputation as sane in doing so. And You can't convince me they are part of a psyop operation unless You provide proof.
But you are ready to believe the inverse which certainly has no proof.
Bit of double standards going on there...
The UFO conspiracy theory at roswell, was just a cover for intelligence gathering operations that made use of the sound channel in the atmosphere to detect nuclear explosions.
That's psyops...like it or not...all from the US military...the same guys who gave soldiers LSD.
We, as in society in general, pay these guys to murder people...in there millions if need be...they'd do anything to anyone...
Breakfast treats?
Now I am really pissed. I had heard we were going to be their sex slaves and they looked like female swedish models...
Dam*!
(And Totally bummed)
You may also be correct as there is more than one race of intelliegent beings invading the Earth. Perhaps we would be given the choice to become breakfast treats or sex slaves. I know which one I'd rather be!
Oh, more than likely, the local spacefaring folk come here to slum awhile.
Get back to their roots and see what it was like to be playing with matches (nukes). Running with scissors (self explanatory), and still procreating wildly...
They, on the other hand, having been there, done that, just want to get a taste of the "good old days"... (and do something with those probes that they spent trillions on)...
WHOOO HOOOOOO
MM
Get back to their roots and see what it was like to be playing with matches (nukes). Running with scissors (self explanatory), and still procreating wildly...
They, on the other hand, having been there, done that, just want to get a taste of the "good old days"... (and do something with those probes that they spent trillions on)...
WHOOO HOOOOOO
MM
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If you are trying to say that man is the highest order of beast please reconsider.
Not without proof.
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If you are trying to say that man is the highest order of beast please reconsider. |
Not without proof.
I have seen UFO's some are near to invisable. I once saw a circle of light hovering in the distance....when I called my children to come and look it had come to sit right before my face, for a miniscule second and then, it was gone with an incredible, speed. I had just finished my sentance when it was gone. They ran to see, within about a half minute but it had been long gone, for forever...the whole thing happened in the time it took to call them.
Hovering bright lights moving at speed, altering direction, or even stopping are not uncommon in nature. Street lighting causes us to miss a lot. Also, the military need to test aircraft and missiles...it provides cover for their work.
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I have seen many craft. I saw them in Arizona, when we were travelin across country, in California and in Hawaii ~ many times, my friends have seen them too...sure but I have seen craft no man could create. You have got to be kidding if you think man is the highest order of being. We are very much in kinderland here. Of this fact I am absolutly positive.
Again, show me proof.
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I have seen many craft. I saw them in Arizona, when we were travelin across country, in California and in Hawaii ~ many times, my friends have seen them too...sure but I have seen craft no man could create. You have got to be kidding if you think man is the highest order of being. We are very much in kinderland here. Of this fact I am absolutly positive. |
Again, show me proof.
I have spoken to alien beings.
I was beginning to suspect that...
QUOTE
They are here.
It must be a shame that you're not.
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| QUOTE |
They are here. |
It must be a shame that you're not.
Can you explain why there would not be inhabitants of other places who make us look like monkeys?
No one could, no one would either. There is just no evidence to support such an analysis.
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What do you think crop circles are anyway?
Why would aliens talk to corn?
Are they making a political statement about our leaders?
Vote Ficus!
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What do you think crop circles are anyway? |
Why would aliens talk to corn?
Are they making a political statement about our leaders?
Vote Ficus!
Please dont say men have made them.
Its hardly going to be a dumb-*** alien who can't tell the difference between a cornfield and a city...now is it?
UFOs of the alien kind have as much basis in reality as the gods of mythology. They both stem from within the human psyche. Back in ancient times everyone believed in their gods because it was a taught response to the mysteries of reality.
I believe that their are UFOs but only to the public. To the military they are IFO's (identifiable flying objects). There is nothing wrong with having a few secrets.
Relative to life on other planets, this should be the case, if the universe is as expansive as is believed and the laws of physics are the same everywhere. But if you think about it, if we traveled for many generations and find a good planet that has life, we would make our presence known. At the very least we would land to look around, retro the ship and gather data sample. What do they have to fear from primitive life. Their remoteness goes against the science instinct to investigate.
I believe that their are UFOs but only to the public. To the military they are IFO's (identifiable flying objects). There is nothing wrong with having a few secrets.
Relative to life on other planets, this should be the case, if the universe is as expansive as is believed and the laws of physics are the same everywhere. But if you think about it, if we traveled for many generations and find a good planet that has life, we would make our presence known. At the very least we would land to look around, retro the ship and gather data sample. What do they have to fear from primitive life. Their remoteness goes against the science instinct to investigate.
hello,
just an idea
if they are aliens traveling space, they should have prety good advanced technology stuff...
so they could easy camo theyre flying soccer into something else, i mean, even humans have some high tech camo tech, so...
If they have any sort of inteligence, they should camo theyre flying stuff as humans planes, normal planes, and then fly over any civilised places peacefully, and studding humans quitely as well.
So, the biggest proof of ET could be that we do not see them at all, same proof for non existance of ET, though.
Or they find us to funny, or stupid... or... they just love our disco music...
sorry about my bad english, i like to read your forum
just an idea
if they are aliens traveling space, they should have prety good advanced technology stuff...
so they could easy camo theyre flying soccer into something else, i mean, even humans have some high tech camo tech, so...
If they have any sort of inteligence, they should camo theyre flying stuff as humans planes, normal planes, and then fly over any civilised places peacefully, and studding humans quitely as well.
So, the biggest proof of ET could be that we do not see them at all, same proof for non existance of ET, though.
Or they find us to funny, or stupid... or... they just love our disco music...
sorry about my bad english, i like to read your forum
QUOTE (MMC+May 31 2006, 10:57 PM)
QUOTE
If you are trying to say that man is the highest order of beast please reconsider.
Not without proof.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
If you are trying to say that man is the highest order of beast please reconsider. |
Not without proof.
I have seen UFO's some are near to invisable. I once saw a circle of light hovering in the distance....when I called my children to come and look it had come to sit right before my face, for a miniscule second and then, it was gone with an incredible, speed. I had just finished my sentance when it was gone. They ran to see, within about a half minute but it had been long gone, for forever...the whole thing happened in the time it took to call them.
Hovering bright lights moving at speed, altering direction, or even stopping are not uncommon in nature. Street lighting causes us to miss a lot. Also, the military need to test aircraft and missiles...it provides cover for their work.
QUOTE
I have seen many craft. I saw them in Arizona, when we were travelin across country, in California and in Hawaii ~ many times, my friends have seen them too...sure but I have seen craft no man could create. You have got to be kidding if you think man is the highest order of being. We are very much in kinderland here. Of this fact I am absolutly positive.
Again, show me proof.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
I have seen many craft. I saw them in Arizona, when we were travelin across country, in California and in Hawaii ~ many times, my friends have seen them too...sure but I have seen craft no man could create. You have got to be kidding if you think man is the highest order of being. We are very much in kinderland here. Of this fact I am absolutly positive. |
Again, show me proof.
I have spoken to alien beings.
I was beginning to suspect that...
QUOTE
They are here.
It must be a shame that you're not.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
They are here. |
It must be a shame that you're not.
Can you explain why there would not be inhabitants of other places who make us look like monkeys?
No one could, no one would either. There is just no evidence to support such an analysis.
QUOTE
What do you think crop circles are anyway?
Why would aliens talk to corn?
Are they making a political statement about our leaders?
Vote Ficus!
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
What do you think crop circles are anyway? |
Why would aliens talk to corn?
Are they making a political statement about our leaders?
Vote Ficus!
Please dont say men have made them.
Its hardly going to be a dumb-*** alien who can't tell the difference between a cornfield and a city...now is it?
Hey booooohaaa haha hah hah hah hah !
I bet your "friends" and family members need no proof that even though they can see it...somehow your head still seems to be stuck waaaaay up your buttkiss.
Peace!
QUOTE (mido.*+Jun 2 2006, 02:53 AM)
hello,
just an idea
if they are aliens traveling space, they should have prety good advanced technology stuff...
so they could easy camo theyre flying soccer into something else, i mean, even humans have some high tech camo tech, so...
If they have any sort of inteligence, they should camo theyre flying stuff as humans planes, normal planes, and then fly over any civilised places peacefully, and studding humans quitely as well.
So, the biggest proof of ET could be that we do not see them at all, same proof for non existance of ET, though.
Or they find us to funny, or stupid... or... they just love our disco music...
sorry about my bad english, i like to read your forum
Hey mido....you are way smarter than that dude. Talk to me.
I have seen them many times so I know they are around. People who need proof of every single thing on earth have most likely been damaged even more than I was by our primative society.
I feel much love for them but I just can't abide the way they can't just get over themselves.
They need to grow up and smell the coffee. If the Gods wanted everything to be revealed we would be born with everything there on a silver platter in our minds, and have to work for nothing, like these guys seem to think they deserve...even tho~ they are as closed as an old rusty can burried in the sand a hundred miles deep.
They then try to convince you they are smart....pAleeeeese!
I want to share truth but fools like these make it hard to swallow that they even deserve the stories I have to tell.
They are muckrakers.
Shielding and protecting some persons they think cant handle the truth.
If the Sun did not appear to rise each day, proving it does actually exist, they would dispute it.
Moronic.
The last craft I saw was no thing that man could have created. It was fabulous, magnificent and spell-binding at once. It was sheer perfection. Man makes thinks that look like G.I. Joe toys.
No comparison, what-so-ever!
Part of the fun of being an "Earthling" is the fun of discovery and that includes discovering people who can relate to someone with a damn good life-story....
It is a terrible shame in my opinion...(for them) but aliens have told us that they think our Classical music and Higher Octave music is the best we have done thus far.
It is more like the music of the Spheres. See channeled messages. Try Sedona magazine or look in your local otherworldly book-store.
Peace!
just an idea
if they are aliens traveling space, they should have prety good advanced technology stuff...
so they could easy camo theyre flying soccer into something else, i mean, even humans have some high tech camo tech, so...
If they have any sort of inteligence, they should camo theyre flying stuff as humans planes, normal planes, and then fly over any civilised places peacefully, and studding humans quitely as well.
So, the biggest proof of ET could be that we do not see them at all, same proof for non existance of ET, though.
Or they find us to funny, or stupid... or... they just love our disco music...
sorry about my bad english, i like to read your forum
Hey mido....you are way smarter than that dude. Talk to me.
I have seen them many times so I know they are around. People who need proof of every single thing on earth have most likely been damaged even more than I was by our primative society.
I feel much love for them but I just can't abide the way they can't just get over themselves.
They need to grow up and smell the coffee. If the Gods wanted everything to be revealed we would be born with everything there on a silver platter in our minds, and have to work for nothing, like these guys seem to think they deserve...even tho~ they are as closed as an old rusty can burried in the sand a hundred miles deep.
They then try to convince you they are smart....pAleeeeese!
I want to share truth but fools like these make it hard to swallow that they even deserve the stories I have to tell.
They are muckrakers.
Shielding and protecting some persons they think cant handle the truth.
If the Sun did not appear to rise each day, proving it does actually exist, they would dispute it.
Moronic.
The last craft I saw was no thing that man could have created. It was fabulous, magnificent and spell-binding at once. It was sheer perfection. Man makes thinks that look like G.I. Joe toys.
No comparison, what-so-ever!
Part of the fun of being an "Earthling" is the fun of discovery and that includes discovering people who can relate to someone with a damn good life-story....
It is a terrible shame in my opinion...(for them) but aliens have told us that they think our Classical music and Higher Octave music is the best we have done thus far.
It is more like the music of the Spheres. See channeled messages. Try Sedona magazine or look in your local otherworldly book-store.
Peace!
Here is my girl Corey Parks blowing fire on stage with her band Die Hunns....but you probably don't believe a woman can have these pyrotechnic abilities either. Maybe thats a guy in a wig, he's too tall to be a female right. Corey is 6'3"....all woman baby!
http://www.diehunns.com/index3.html
http://www.diehunns.com/index3.html
What men refuse to realize is that this all is just the beginning. Science is a few hundred years old. Man may be scheduled to exist for millions if not billions of years.
Hawking had a problem. He said science would be over in about twenty years. But why couldn't he see that it was only his own science that was going to be over?
Hawking had a problem. He said science would be over in about twenty years. But why couldn't he see that it was only his own science that was going to be over?
QUOTE (Masked Marauder+May 30 2006, 01:10 PM)
They, on the other hand, having been there, done that, just want to get a taste of the "good old days"... (and do something with those probes that they spent trillions on)...
I doubt that any other form of intelligence has to use a money system because they are not all about greed/consuming. The higher mind will move away from such incredibly mundane systems.
I doubt that any other form of intelligence has to use a money system because they are not all about greed/consuming. The higher mind will move away from such incredibly mundane systems.
QUOTE (Nick+Jun 2 2006, 02:09 PM)
What men refuse to realize is that this all is just the beginning. Science is a few hundred years old. Man may be scheduled to exist for millions if not billions of years.
Hawking had a problem. He said science would be over in about twenty years. But why couldn't he see that it was only his own science that was going to be over?
Ah But our fellow Earthling had something to offer....it was not a lost investment in thinking for naught.
I love what he did for me with his Black Holes noise. I used it to improve my theories.
peace.
Hawking had a problem. He said science would be over in about twenty years. But why couldn't he see that it was only his own science that was going to be over?
Ah But our fellow Earthling had something to offer....it was not a lost investment in thinking for naught.
I love what he did for me with his Black Holes noise. I used it to improve my theories.
peace.
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I have seen them many times so I know they are around.
Was Elvis with them?
www.disclosureproject.org
I am surprised that nobody mentioned the disclosure projecct on this thread. If there is a smoking gun out there this is it. This non-profit has assembled 450+ current and former members of the military, DOE, FAA, and private industry willing to testify under oath not only that the government (not as you may think of it) it quite aware of ET visitation to earth, and possesses advanced technology associated with ET in addition to very advanced, earth changing (and mind boggling) technology of terrestrial origin .
Even the most convincing photo and video evidence can be doubted simply by insisting that special affects were employed, it is a limitation of the technology.
The motive for secrecy is the total shift in geopolitical power that this technology will bring about. Those with geopolitical power want to keep it; they can, have, and will do anything to maintain the status quo.
“There exists a shadowy Government with it’s own Air Force, it’s own Navy, it’s own fund-raising mechanism, and the ability to pursue it’s own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself ” – Senator Daniel K. Inouye
“In the councils of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.” –President Eisenhower – January 1961
I am surprised that nobody mentioned the disclosure projecct on this thread. If there is a smoking gun out there this is it. This non-profit has assembled 450+ current and former members of the military, DOE, FAA, and private industry willing to testify under oath not only that the government (not as you may think of it) it quite aware of ET visitation to earth, and possesses advanced technology associated with ET in addition to very advanced, earth changing (and mind boggling) technology of terrestrial origin .
Even the most convincing photo and video evidence can be doubted simply by insisting that special affects were employed, it is a limitation of the technology.
The motive for secrecy is the total shift in geopolitical power that this technology will bring about. Those with geopolitical power want to keep it; they can, have, and will do anything to maintain the status quo.
“There exists a shadowy Government with it’s own Air Force, it’s own Navy, it’s own fund-raising mechanism, and the ability to pursue it’s own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself ” – Senator Daniel K. Inouye
“In the councils of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.” –President Eisenhower – January 1961
Thanks for that site...I will check into it. i have not been investigating since I got the box (computer) so i hadn't heard of this.
The implications are standard. Cover ups and lies....not too surprised, that's fer sure!
The implications are standard. Cover ups and lies....not too surprised, that's fer sure!
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I have seen them many times so I know they are around.
Was Elvis with them?
lets see...that was about twelve years ago...on Christmas Day...I was looking up at Mauna Kea and reminising about home and the snow was taking me back....when i saw a light craft...it was amazing not circular like a saucer but circular like a ferris wheel and turning as such...it seemed phospheresent, and it was moving ever so slowly...hovering an incalculable distance away...the size could not be determined...I squinted and called for the boys, they came running...it swooped in at magical speeds and sat before my self...about a mile maybe distant, then faster than the eye can travel it was off to my left and gone, the kids pushed through the front door saying what is it mom...I dont think Elvis was even playing on the radio~ so no, would be my guess...but maybe he WAS there, you just never know do ya?
oh but you were being dicklike=facitious weren't cha?
I dont mind go ahead have fun~ but dont always have fun at my expense, go pick on some dude sometimes how about it...maybe they will kick your a$$....
HEY! ~was Elvis at yer last birthday party little one?
if you want to get serious I wont hold this against you but come on! I am not that freaking crazy...
Tikay, I find it interesting how determined MMC is to discredit this topic. The discrediting and "giggle factor" surrounding this topic has probably done more to prevent its legitimate study than any thing else. This is how this covert group operates, they have just enough people in all centers of power and information (maybe even forums) to shame people into keeping their mouth shut, and to control policy.
MMC, if you are going to try to discredit the disclosure project, please at least familiarize yourself with its contents. I would be interested in hearing any objective comments you have, but please be specific. Discrediting this effort out-of-hand is not constructive for anyone.
MMC, I am interested in your motives for trying to discredit the comments of people like Tikay. It is obvious to people like Tikay that these claims are unorthodox to those who are foolish enough to give credibility to the main stream media. Are you afraid that Tikay is crazy, and you are trying to fix him/her?
MMC, if you are going to try to discredit the disclosure project, please at least familiarize yourself with its contents. I would be interested in hearing any objective comments you have, but please be specific. Discrediting this effort out-of-hand is not constructive for anyone.
MMC, I am interested in your motives for trying to discredit the comments of people like Tikay. It is obvious to people like Tikay that these claims are unorthodox to those who are foolish enough to give credibility to the main stream media. Are you afraid that Tikay is crazy, and you are trying to fix him/her?
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This non-profit has assembled 450+ current and former members of the military, DOE, FAA, and private industry willing to testify under oath not only that the government (not as you may think of it) it quite aware of ET visitation to earth, and possesses advanced technology associated with ET in addition to very advanced, earth changing (and mind boggling) technology of terrestrial origin .
Yet, they can't provide a shred of evidence to support themselves...
Remember this:
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This non-profit has assembled 450+ current and former members of the military, DOE, FAA, and private industry willing to testify under oath not only that the government (not as you may think of it) it quite aware of ET visitation to earth, and possesses advanced technology associated with ET in addition to very advanced, earth changing (and mind boggling) technology of terrestrial origin . |
Yet, they can't provide a shred of evidence to support themselves...
Remember this:
There is a cover-up, but its not what you think...
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defense program. It was a cold-war stratagy developed after WWII when advanced designs were obtained from Nazi scientists.
Groomlake Nevada tests advanced aircraft under the cover of darkness...
Sorry...no aliens...just aircraft, weapons, test pilots and technical evaluation...
I always find it funny that the the ONLY people deluded by this, are the US public...the rest of the world is FULLY aware of its true nature. It is well documented.
Now consider what you had noted:
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450+ current and former members of the military, DOE, FAA, and private industry willing to testify under oath
Not exactly worth much, is it?
MMC It does not sound to me like you are that familiar with the evidence presented.
Eye witness testimony (much of which on film that the disclosure project will provide, I have a copy) from 2 US generals, a British admiral, 2+ US astronauts including Gorden Cooper, countless pilots, air traffic controllers and law enforcement becomes difficult to ignore. In addition, FAA radar data, in hand, showing apparently giant craft (something very big and airborne anyway) outperforming anything on earth by a long shot. Not to mention multiple ground radar confirmation short and long range. Also, declassified documents obtained through the freedom on information act discussing ET related topics quite unambiguously (military, CIA docs etc.). Most of these documents you yourself can get through the library of congress. I have looked into this topic quite a bit, and continue to do so, and I have yet to find any claims or accusations from any source that attempts to discredit any of the witnesses or documents.
The fact that there are a group of credible (based on the positions they hold/held) people (that can produce documentation proving their identity, yes anything can be forged) have testified on film cannot be disputed (a few of these people are famous enough to be recognized on site). I cannot come up with a convincing motive for these people to do this falsely. They have experienced nothing but ridicule and hardship as a result of their involvement. Moreover, what is the motive of The Disclosure Project, baring in mind that they are an IRS certified non-profit, if it is not altruistic?
It is hard to do better than 4 way confirmation (ground visual, ground radar, air visual, air radar). This was the case in Belgium incident (among others), where the Belgian air force fighters were scrambled. This incident actually received some (short lived) main stream media coverage by the way; I saw it on the Discovery Channel, and they did confirm on this broadcast that there was 4 way confirmation. By the way, the visuals had photos as well.
Nothing is certain. Quantum mechanics states that there is a small but finite probability that I could walk right through a wall unscathed! There is no such thing as absolute proof, only degrees of probability. Theory = no evidence, possibility = some evidence, certainty = overwhelming evidence.
What evidence would it take for you to reach the point where you consider it a significant possibility that ET visits earth?
If nothing else, hear me now and believe me later on one point. If disclosure through the main stream media occurs in the (perhaps not to distant) future, stating that ET is anything but peaceful, do not believe it. It will be an attempt to scare people into unconditional compliance, as has been done in the past in support of the weponization of space.
Eye witness testimony (much of which on film that the disclosure project will provide, I have a copy) from 2 US generals, a British admiral, 2+ US astronauts including Gorden Cooper, countless pilots, air traffic controllers and law enforcement becomes difficult to ignore. In addition, FAA radar data, in hand, showing apparently giant craft (something very big and airborne anyway) outperforming anything on earth by a long shot. Not to mention multiple ground radar confirmation short and long range. Also, declassified documents obtained through the freedom on information act discussing ET related topics quite unambiguously (military, CIA docs etc.). Most of these documents you yourself can get through the library of congress. I have looked into this topic quite a bit, and continue to do so, and I have yet to find any claims or accusations from any source that attempts to discredit any of the witnesses or documents.
The fact that there are a group of credible (based on the positions they hold/held) people (that can produce documentation proving their identity, yes anything can be forged) have testified on film cannot be disputed (a few of these people are famous enough to be recognized on site). I cannot come up with a convincing motive for these people to do this falsely. They have experienced nothing but ridicule and hardship as a result of their involvement. Moreover, what is the motive of The Disclosure Project, baring in mind that they are an IRS certified non-profit, if it is not altruistic?
It is hard to do better than 4 way confirmation (ground visual, ground radar, air visual, air radar). This was the case in Belgium incident (among others), where the Belgian air force fighters were scrambled. This incident actually received some (short lived) main stream media coverage by the way; I saw it on the Discovery Channel, and they did confirm on this broadcast that there was 4 way confirmation. By the way, the visuals had photos as well.
Nothing is certain. Quantum mechanics states that there is a small but finite probability that I could walk right through a wall unscathed! There is no such thing as absolute proof, only degrees of probability. Theory = no evidence, possibility = some evidence, certainty = overwhelming evidence.
What evidence would it take for you to reach the point where you consider it a significant possibility that ET visits earth?
If nothing else, hear me now and believe me later on one point. If disclosure through the main stream media occurs in the (perhaps not to distant) future, stating that ET is anything but peaceful, do not believe it. It will be an attempt to scare people into unconditional compliance, as has been done in the past in support of the weponization of space.
Thank YOU! ~for that input boundless.
i like the way you don't need insults to make your point...very nice!
i like the way you don't need insults to make your point...very nice!
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What evidence would it take for you to reach the point where you consider it a significant possibility that ET visits earth?
Hard-core proof...an intelligent being...a functional craft...that sort of thing.
[QUOTE]Hard-core proof...an intelligent being...a functional craft...that sort of thing.[QUOTE]
So it would have to be in person, in front of you I take it, photos won't do. You realize that sophisticated enough special affects could appear to most observes to be authentic, right in front of their eyes. David Blaine seems to be able to levitate in front of people. If you saw him do this, would you believe that he is able to levitate without any tricks based on well known physical principals? David Copperfield apparently walked through the great wall of china, and made the space shuttle disappear into thin air right in front of live audiences. I'm sure you don't believe that he really used magic (i.e. new, unknown physics).
Any good scientist will tell you that seeing is not believing. No good scientist would attempt to measure something by eye, always with an scale, or probe, etc.. From a scientific standpoint, well corroborated radar data is better than seeing, even at close range.
So ET and/or his craft would have to present himself and do something totally inexplicable by any other means in front of you. Remember again, that David Blaine makes his living doing things that are apparently inexplicable right in front of peoples faces. ET is not that unlike us, just more advanced, probably different in appearance, a little faster, and a little higher, so distinguishing between terrestrial and extraterrestrial may not even be as easy as you think.
Bear in mind, as crazy as it may sound (you probably won't believe this), these secret ops likely posses technology including extremely high tech craft, that would be mistaken by all but the deepest insiders (perhaps 1000 people world wide) for ET. These craft would be able to do things that only the deepest insiders know is even physically possible.
Not that it is necessarily the case for you MMC, but many people are overly skeptical of UFO topics because of fear of being different than the majority and fear of losing credibility as a result of the ridicule factor surrounding this topic. Never underestimate the cultural influence that the powers-that-be are capable of exerting on us. Nothing is black and white, not even the concept of "knowing" itself. All I seek is the truth, whatever the cost.
So it would have to be in person, in front of you I take it, photos won't do. You realize that sophisticated enough special affects could appear to most observes to be authentic, right in front of their eyes. David Blaine seems to be able to levitate in front of people. If you saw him do this, would you believe that he is able to levitate without any tricks based on well known physical principals? David Copperfield apparently walked through the great wall of china, and made the space shuttle disappear into thin air right in front of live audiences. I'm sure you don't believe that he really used magic (i.e. new, unknown physics).
Any good scientist will tell you that seeing is not believing. No good scientist would attempt to measure something by eye, always with an scale, or probe, etc.. From a scientific standpoint, well corroborated radar data is better than seeing, even at close range.
So ET and/or his craft would have to present himself and do something totally inexplicable by any other means in front of you. Remember again, that David Blaine makes his living doing things that are apparently inexplicable right in front of peoples faces. ET is not that unlike us, just more advanced, probably different in appearance, a little faster, and a little higher, so distinguishing between terrestrial and extraterrestrial may not even be as easy as you think.
Bear in mind, as crazy as it may sound (you probably won't believe this), these secret ops likely posses technology including extremely high tech craft, that would be mistaken by all but the deepest insiders (perhaps 1000 people world wide) for ET. These craft would be able to do things that only the deepest insiders know is even physically possible.
Not that it is necessarily the case for you MMC, but many people are overly skeptical of UFO topics because of fear of being different than the majority and fear of losing credibility as a result of the ridicule factor surrounding this topic. Never underestimate the cultural influence that the powers-that-be are capable of exerting on us. Nothing is black and white, not even the concept of "knowing" itself. All I seek is the truth, whatever the cost.
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Any good scientist will tell you that seeing is not believing. No good scientist would attempt to measure something by eye, always with an scale, or probe, etc.. From a scientific standpoint, well corroborated radar data is better than seeing, even at close range.
Radar cannot tell you what an object is, only that it is there.
Its useless data.
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Any good scientist will tell you that seeing is not believing. No good scientist would attempt to measure something by eye, always with an scale, or probe, etc.. From a scientific standpoint, well corroborated radar data is better than seeing, even at close range. |
Radar cannot tell you what an object is, only that it is there.
Its useless data.
The UFO cover story is used by the US to prevent critical analysis of its defense program.
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
If you think about it, it counts as a military deployment against the citizens of the US, in direct violation of the US constitution...
Anyone want to discuss the "Roswell" incident?
What did or did not occur? always an interesting topic for discussion.
MM
What did or did not occur? always an interesting topic for discussion.
MM
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GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.
I have never heard of using WordPad as a means of online communication. Is this even possible?
yes, it is possible. infact, i've done this. it requires a remote connection to another computer that allows you to take full control of the desktop. the host computer to which you are connected will do whatever you want it to do. it'll open up word and whatever you type on your computer will show up on the host computer. anyone near the host computer will be able to see this and can also type into word. in this way you can exchange messages through word. i've only succeeded in doing this with computers connected to networks.
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i've only succeeded in doing this with computers connected to networks.
Well, you would hardly obtain a remote connection to a PC over an onion, now would you?
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What evidence would it take for you to reach the point where you consider it a significant possibility that ET visits earth?
Hard-core proof...an intelligent being...a functional craft...that sort of thing.
read up! i have already provided some good books n my posts and some referance links to two books that may help someone like yourself.
talk to your friends even see how many will come clean about possible sightings....but dont expect them to tell if you have already let on how closed-minded you are about it.
check out the mound builders
check out crop circles....
is this the only place you frequent?
ask all around....be open.
maybe you will let your self be convinced of a few things and maybe you wont
it is up to you after all...what you choose to believe in.....
lastly dont be sheep-like
find out for yourself
be yourself but
dont always pride yourself for heavy skepticism
it is a crutch too you know
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is this the only place you frequent?
ask all around....be open.
maybe you will let your self be convinced of a few things and maybe you wont
it is up to you after all...what you choose to believe in.....
Considering I had said this:
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Considering I had said this:
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
How 'persuasive' do you think your arguement sounds?...or creepy for that matter?
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Radar cannot tell you what an object is, only that it is there.
Its useless data.
Radar is capable of determining the approximate size of an object, can track its movement, altitude and location w.r.t. time. Available corroborated data shows objects that are way too big (like the size of a naval vessel or a suspension bridge in some cases), moving way to fast, like 5-20 thousand knots, with way too much acceleration to be conventional.
I am not clear about the purpose of the psyop that you mention and the relationship to your facts list. I take it you contend that the goal of UFO disinformation would be to hide conventional black technology and activity? Such mock UFO evidence leaks, (that I think you are stating people like me mistake for the real thing) would draw more attention and curiosity than it would prevent. Attention and curiosity are in opposition to secrecy.
I agree with several of your facts in the right context. As far as number seven, again, "hardcore" is not well defined. I am still not clear as to what you consider evidence. Please read my previous post again if necessary and please give it some thought because it is really at the core of this debate, and I would like to hear your thoughts (perhaps an example).
As I discussed above, there is really no absolute proof of anything, and everything is relative. To state facts as you have (i.e. of very high certainty/probability) must mean the quantity and quality of supporting evidence is overwhelming. Your argument would be much stronger if you included the source of the evidence for each fact, or a claim of some evidence, at least for the more contentious facts on your list.
We seem to differ on what can be considered evidence. People are sent to their death or life in prison in the US based on eye-whiteness testimony from people with less apparent credibility than The Disclosure Project witnesses! BTW although The Disclosure Project is one of the best pieces of evidence out there, the evidence goes well beyond it.
With regards to your last statement, I think we agree 100% and disagree only on the details. It appears that the constitution is being subverted in any case.
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is this the only place you frequent?
ask all around....be open.
maybe you will let your self be convinced of a few things and maybe you wont
it is up to you after all...what you choose to believe in.....
Considering I had said this:
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is this the only place you frequent? ask all around....be open. maybe you will let your self be convinced of a few things and maybe you wont it is up to you after all...what you choose to believe in..... |
Considering I had said this:
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
How 'persuasive' do you think your arguement sounds?...or creepy for that matter?
whatever dude I am not the creepy one.
i never looked in to all that hype you did. I just learned in simple ways like seeing craft and learning about ancient mysteries.
oh maybe talking to the aliens is a little creepy. if you think of that movie ET
so maybe...you are right
i should be sure to mention they are "attractive"
so i have been told
QUOTE (r37r0+Jun 5 2006, 12:21 PM)
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GMILAM
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GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.
I have never heard of using WordPad as a means of online communication. Is this even possible?
yes, it is possible. infact, i've done this. it requires a remote connection to another computer that allows you to take full control of the desktop. the host computer to which you are connected will do whatever you want it to do. it'll open up word and whatever you type on your computer will show up on the host computer. anyone near the host computer will be able to see this and can also type into word. in this way you can exchange messages through word. i've only succeeded in doing this with computers connected to networks.
why is it that when a person is ignorant about a subject they find it so easy to dispute it by any means possible without fearing looking like a fool when it becomes obvious as a truth....i have given this for an example of a simple truth (such as mine) being blasted by an innocent....because they did not know that the thing was actually possible....then when the third party knowingly states it was commonplace in the past the innocent one has nothing to say....they usually never apologise nor admit wrong or defeat...as if that is against their ethical policy...but slander is fine and stupid abuse of power of persuasion is employed in making the first speaker look like a freak.
I wont expect you will apologise to me but one day maybe you will see how innocent you are being right now, under the guise of being a rational skeptic...good luck with your image. I am interested in truth. I dont care (obviously) that I may seem ridiculous while I search for it. At least i am unbiased, and even open minded to your ideas. I would be like you had I not lived this life I can be sure. I have seen many craft that man could not have made. No way in heaven or hell. So if that is creepy. Then I guess I am creepy to innocents.
QUOTE (boundless+Jun 4 2006, 04:45 PM)
Not that it is necessarily the case for you MMC, but many people are overly skeptical of UFO topics because of fear of being different than the majority and fear of losing credibility as a result of the ridicule factor surrounding this topic. Never underestimate the cultural influence that the powers-that-be are capable of exerting on us. Nothing is black and white, not even the concept of "knowing" itself. All I seek is the truth, whatever the cost.
Without hardcore physical proof, there is simply nothing to discuss, nor research.
As I said before:
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military...
It doesn't take a brain-surgeon to work out who's behind this one...
As I said before:
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The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military...
It doesn't take a brain-surgeon to work out who's behind this one...
Hi
I have 15Gb of UFO video dl from the internet (not finished yet).
See it and believe it.
Some is crap and some is amazing amateur and mili video.
There's UFO's making cropcircles (they can too),
there is raw NASA tapes with UFOs,
there is space shuttle astronauts on mission talking about UFOs they see.
Two of the best are:
World.Trade.Center.-.Ufo.Dolby.Digital.AC3.Stereo.Sorrund.mpg
UFO - Inteligent Sphere InspectingShuttle Challenger.avi
But offcause until I actually see one myself it does not hit home I guess.
I have 15Gb of UFO video dl from the internet (not finished yet).
See it and believe it.
Some is crap and some is amazing amateur and mili video.
There's UFO's making cropcircles (they can too
),there is raw NASA tapes with UFOs,
there is space shuttle astronauts on mission talking about UFOs they see.
Two of the best are:
World.Trade.Center.-.Ufo.Dolby.Digital.AC3.Stereo.Sorrund.mpg
UFO - Inteligent Sphere InspectingShuttle Challenger.avi
But offcause until I actually see one myself it does not hit home I guess.
MMC, I don't condone unbending belief of anything. All any of us can do is examine the available evidence and decide on a likelihood as I discussed above. Physical proof in what form? Examples would really help. What if a high ranking politician (say George W) came on CNN and announced "ET visits earth". Would that be "hardcore" enough for you? It is not "physical proof".
"After I give lectures - on almost any subject - I am often asked, "Do you believe in UFOs?". I'm always struck by how the question is phrased, the suggestion that this is a matter of belief and not evidence. I'm almost never asked, "How good is the evidence that UFOs are alien spaceships?"."
- Carl Sagan, "The Demon Haunted World", p.78
I can say myself that I don't "believe" that ET visits earth, I just see this as the most likely scenario based on available evidence, which I have done my best to present within the limits of the forum (my posts have been long enough as it is!). You have not given me any reason to believe that you have even examined the evidence, as you pretty much stated on your last post.
I am convinced at this point MMC, that you hold an unbending belief that all available UFO evidence is part of some secondary cover up for something that I am still not quite clear on. You have not provided or described any evidence for your point of view, you just continue reiterate your opinion without adding detail or elaboration. I don't think I have anything else to say; our discussion just does not seem to be going anywhere.
"Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the prospect is staggering!"
- Arthur C.Clarke, contemplating the existence of Alien Life
Tikay, your welcome, thanks for checking it out. I am surprised more people who are interested in UFO topics are not aware of the disclosure project. I would think all UFO discussions would revolve around it. Also check out CSETI @ ufoevidence.org. Maybe we can bring MMC on a CE-5!
"After I give lectures - on almost any subject - I am often asked, "Do you believe in UFOs?". I'm always struck by how the question is phrased, the suggestion that this is a matter of belief and not evidence. I'm almost never asked, "How good is the evidence that UFOs are alien spaceships?"."
- Carl Sagan, "The Demon Haunted World", p.78
I can say myself that I don't "believe" that ET visits earth, I just see this as the most likely scenario based on available evidence, which I have done my best to present within the limits of the forum (my posts have been long enough as it is!). You have not given me any reason to believe that you have even examined the evidence, as you pretty much stated on your last post.
I am convinced at this point MMC, that you hold an unbending belief that all available UFO evidence is part of some secondary cover up for something that I am still not quite clear on. You have not provided or described any evidence for your point of view, you just continue reiterate your opinion without adding detail or elaboration. I don't think I have anything else to say; our discussion just does not seem to be going anywhere.
"Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the prospect is staggering!"
- Arthur C.Clarke, contemplating the existence of Alien Life
Tikay, your welcome, thanks for checking it out. I am surprised more people who are interested in UFO topics are not aware of the disclosure project. I would think all UFO discussions would revolve around it. Also check out CSETI @ ufoevidence.org. Maybe we can bring MMC on a CE-5!
Ufoguufo, here is one of the best video clips I have found. It has detail, pedigree, and have fun trying to come up with an explanation!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/have_your_say/news/ufo.shtml
I also would like to get a hold of this video, http://ufonasa.terra-ent.com/, anyone have it? Comments?
The WTC video does not sit right with me, although there is no undeniable problem with it that I can find. The behavior of the craft does not seem to fit the ET mo as I understand it, and the lady’s reaction seems to me like she knows its coming, although she does not seem to see it before it appears from behind the building as some claim. I also found this clip with a “sci-fi channel” logo lead-in on one site. If it is special affects, it is certainly a fine piece of work, but I would think if it is linked with the sci-fi channel that they have the expertise and technology to pull it off. A butt-load of people should have seen this thing in broad daylight, let me know if you are aware of any, but I have not heard a peep from any other witnesses to this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/have_your_say/news/ufo.shtml
I also would like to get a hold of this video, http://ufonasa.terra-ent.com/, anyone have it? Comments?
The WTC video does not sit right with me, although there is no undeniable problem with it that I can find. The behavior of the craft does not seem to fit the ET mo as I understand it, and the lady’s reaction seems to me like she knows its coming, although she does not seem to see it before it appears from behind the building as some claim. I also found this clip with a “sci-fi channel” logo lead-in on one site. If it is special affects, it is certainly a fine piece of work, but I would think if it is linked with the sci-fi channel that they have the expertise and technology to pull it off. A butt-load of people should have seen this thing in broad daylight, let me know if you are aware of any, but I have not heard a peep from any other witnesses to this.
I still stand by the comment I made earlier:
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
The rest is mis-identification, natural phenomenon, fraud and psychological problems.
Occam's razor says it is 'little men in camouflaged green uniforms'...
QUOTE
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
The rest is mis-identification, natural phenomenon, fraud and psychological problems.
Occam's razor says it is 'little men in camouflaged green uniforms'...
Hi
boundless, I have the video.
It's been a while since I saw it, but if I remember correctly the video was ok, but the explanation given was somewhat farfetched by a young bloke. There are certaintly better videos to watch...
The picture Your link shows seems amazing. Thanks for the link.
I'll be happy to help with the video. Just write:
mgdraeber@iname.com
boundless, I have the video.
It's been a while since I saw it, but if I remember correctly the video was ok, but the explanation given was somewhat farfetched by a young bloke. There are certaintly better videos to watch...
The picture Your link shows seems amazing. Thanks for the link.
I'll be happy to help with the video. Just write:
mgdraeber@iname.com
QUOTE (UFOGuufo+Jun 7 2006, 04:50 PM)
Hi
boundless, I have the video.
It's been a while since I saw it, but if I remember correctly the video was ok, but the explanation given was somewhat farfetched by a young bloke. There are certaintly better videos to watch...
The picture Your link shows seems amazing. Thanks for the link.
I'll be happy to help with the video. Just write:
mgdraeber@iname.com
Here is an odd thought for you...
Perhaps another race has developed a mathematical equation for the existence of life around certain type stars. and using said formula have decided to go out and test their theory by a means that supercedes the distance problem we currently experience...
(I refer to distance as a nice way to keep your neighbors in their place until the are civil enough to have the knowledge and the appropriate civilities to travel that far.. i.e warring domination tendencies have settled down)
Now, when you find a planet full of potential friends or enemies, would you not want to keep an eye on them until you know which way that is going to swing? Would you not want to know everything about them just in case they come out swinging in 5,000 years when the discover a way to travel to the stars?
Do I believe that we are the only intelligent race in the entire universe?
Not even a small chance
Has some other race visited here? I honestly don't know.. Seen some things I can't explain, but it does not mean that Mork from Ork was here either....
But it would not surprise me to find that we are being monitored like you would a dangerous animal as it grows out of it's cage....
Fuel for thought.
boundless, I have the video.
It's been a while since I saw it, but if I remember correctly the video was ok, but the explanation given was somewhat farfetched by a young bloke. There are certaintly better videos to watch...
The picture Your link shows seems amazing. Thanks for the link.
I'll be happy to help with the video. Just write:
mgdraeber@iname.com
Here is an odd thought for you...
Perhaps another race has developed a mathematical equation for the existence of life around certain type stars. and using said formula have decided to go out and test their theory by a means that supercedes the distance problem we currently experience...
(I refer to distance as a nice way to keep your neighbors in their place until the are civil enough to have the knowledge and the appropriate civilities to travel that far.. i.e warring domination tendencies have settled down)
Now, when you find a planet full of potential friends or enemies, would you not want to keep an eye on them until you know which way that is going to swing? Would you not want to know everything about them just in case they come out swinging in 5,000 years when the discover a way to travel to the stars?
Do I believe that we are the only intelligent race in the entire universe?
Not even a small chance
Has some other race visited here? I honestly don't know.. Seen some things I can't explain, but it does not mean that Mork from Ork was here either....
But it would not surprise me to find that we are being monitored like you would a dangerous animal as it grows out of it's cage....
Fuel for thought.
Hi
The universe is a strange place.
Watching BBC documentaries I have learned that:
there are 11 dimensions
there are parallel universes
...I know - it sounds odd but this is what scientist has come up with.
(the internet: an endless source of knowledge in my opinion)
Also the scientist and astronomist use the Drake equation to calculate the most likely number of civilisations in our galaxy:
50.000.
Now there is about 50.000.000.000 galaxies in our universe and we know that life began as soon as our earth was created (=life is easy ) .
This is fact, so why haven't I seen my 1. UFO yet?
I'm a bit envyous of those of You how have. Only don't get abducted!!!
Take care and see some documentaries...it's worth it and you wont believe your eyes.
Here's my best so far:
The Worlds scariest ghost.avi
What We Still Dont Know.avi (1+2+3)
What the bleep do we know.avi
UFO - who makes crop circles.mpg
UFO in the woods filmed by amateurs.avi
UFO - the best evidence caught on tape.mpg
World.Trade.Center.-.Ufo.Dolby.Digital.AC3.Stereo.Sorrund.mpg
UFO - Inteligent Sphere InspectingShuttle Challenger.avi
The universe is a strange place.
Watching BBC documentaries I have learned that:
there are 11 dimensions
there are parallel universes
...I know - it sounds odd but this is what scientist has come up with.
(the internet: an endless source of knowledge in my opinion)
Also the scientist and astronomist use the Drake equation to calculate the most likely number of civilisations in our galaxy:
50.000.
Now there is about 50.000.000.000 galaxies in our universe and we know that life began as soon as our earth was created (=life is easy )
. This is fact, so why haven't I seen my 1. UFO yet?
I'm a bit envyous of those of You how have. Only don't get abducted!!!
Take care and see some documentaries...it's worth it and you wont believe your eyes.
Here's my best so far:
The Worlds scariest ghost.avi
What We Still Dont Know.avi (1+2+3)
What the bleep do we know.avi
UFO - who makes crop circles.mpg
UFO in the woods filmed by amateurs.avi
UFO - the best evidence caught on tape.mpg
World.Trade.Center.-.Ufo.Dolby.Digital.AC3.Stereo.Sorrund.mpg
UFO - Inteligent Sphere InspectingShuttle Challenger.avi
Masked Marauder,
This is probably less odd than you realize. This is actually pretty close to the position of The Disclosure Project. Their position is that the primary purpose for ETs presence in our cosmic neighborhood is to prevent us from venturing to far with our weapons until we have matured as a global society. ET is far from aggressive or hostile, but is concerned with our aggression. There is also some evidence to suggest that in the case of a global calamity, ET may show up in mass to lend a hand.
A society's social (and/or spiritual) development must keep up with it's technological development, otherwise action by the cosmic community is necessary. This is also one reason why ET does not just come out and say high. They probably find that a genuine change in society is better if done in and of itself, with minimal external influence.
BTW, recently it was announce that a planet was found that was around 6+billion years before earth. A opportunity for just a little head start on us. (see NASA.gov)
The logical extension (I speculate a bit this part) of this is that every planetary society throughout (cosmic) history has come to a similar crossroads. Some may have had little or no war ever, in which case they are welcomed quickly and easily into the cosmic community. Some may have completely wiped them selves out before ever becoming part of the cosmic community (although ET will likely step in to try to prevent this worst case).
You, and others on this thread seem pretty open minded, but you do not need to speculate. There is a significant body of unambiguous evidence out there. Don't take my word for it though. If you don't want to buy books, I would start with the position papers on the disclosure project, and the articles on www.ufoevidence.org. Of course beware of crap, there is plenty out there. Much of it (I do not speculate here) is propagated by the government as an ET smear campaign to eventually justify the weaponization of space (more so). This campaign will likely intensify as time goes on.
If you really want to see a UFO, and your intentions are good, you may consider going on a CSETI CE-5 or training. You may even get more than you bargained for. I plan on going to one this year.
This is probably less odd than you realize. This is actually pretty close to the position of The Disclosure Project. Their position is that the primary purpose for ETs presence in our cosmic neighborhood is to prevent us from venturing to far with our weapons until we have matured as a global society. ET is far from aggressive or hostile, but is concerned with our aggression. There is also some evidence to suggest that in the case of a global calamity, ET may show up in mass to lend a hand.
A society's social (and/or spiritual) development must keep up with it's technological development, otherwise action by the cosmic community is necessary. This is also one reason why ET does not just come out and say high. They probably find that a genuine change in society is better if done in and of itself, with minimal external influence.
BTW, recently it was announce that a planet was found that was around 6+billion years before earth. A opportunity for just a little head start on us. (see NASA.gov)
The logical extension (I speculate a bit this part) of this is that every planetary society throughout (cosmic) history has come to a similar crossroads. Some may have had little or no war ever, in which case they are welcomed quickly and easily into the cosmic community. Some may have completely wiped them selves out before ever becoming part of the cosmic community (although ET will likely step in to try to prevent this worst case).
You, and others on this thread seem pretty open minded, but you do not need to speculate. There is a significant body of unambiguous evidence out there. Don't take my word for it though. If you don't want to buy books, I would start with the position papers on the disclosure project, and the articles on www.ufoevidence.org. Of course beware of crap, there is plenty out there. Much of it (I do not speculate here) is propagated by the government as an ET smear campaign to eventually justify the weaponization of space (more so). This campaign will likely intensify as time goes on.
If you really want to see a UFO, and your intentions are good, you may consider going on a CSETI CE-5 or training. You may even get more than you bargained for. I plan on going to one this year.
OK, I believe that anything is possible and that it is always wise to keep an open mind. But, all government secrets leak out eventually. So, by now...if there were a cover-up, I think it would be out in the open. People have been talking about Area 51 for some time now. Still no hard evidence. I think that it is highly unlikely that there is a cover-up.
QUOTE
But, all government secrets leak out eventually.
A few thoughts about that... SR71, F-117, B-2, Aurora, Phased Array, good luck on find out anything on Intel community ops, and covert ops.... need more?
QUOTE (Archer+Jun 17 2006, 04:48 PM)
QUOTE
But, all government secrets leak out eventually.
A few thoughts about that... SR71, F-117, B-2, Aurora, Phased Array, good luck on find out anything on Intel community ops, and covert ops.... need more?
And perhaps, Note the word perhaps, we have had the opportunity to reverse engineer some spectacular science that was left behind in an accident or some other such mishap.
Who knows for sure, but I have friends who have worked at DOE in New Mexico, at Sandia Labs and such, and have said that we would not believe the things that they have and are working on.. and would not go any further than that.
and these people were of fine reputation, sound mind and so forth. I would say that if I were running the show and found some neat toys to play with, I would more than likely take them into my own private garage and not too willing to share with others... i.e. governments not sharing with us and so forth...
Fun to think about, regardless of the facts behind them. and I have seen an item or two that in all honesty I have no clue what they were, but quite spectacular... and if we have items that can move like that, we are doing real well in the technology center.... much more than I would have anticipated.....
As for being alone in the universe, not a chance. and having someone keep watch on us? I would almost be willing to bet on it. We are a frightful bunch with some rather large M80's that might not only hurt us, but hurt others as well.... and you know how it is with kids and things that go "bang"....
So, I would not be surprised to find out that something or someone else was waiting for us to grow up a bit.... then stopping in to say howdy... as for interference with us in natural disasters? that I would doubt, then we would be obliged to ask why they did not help before....... and that might open a bigger can of worms... I think for the most part we are on our own, as long as we stay in our own neighborhood.....
MM
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
The rest is mis-identification, natural phenomenon, fraud and psychological problems.
Occam's razor says it is 'little men in camouflaged green uniforms'...
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
The rest is mis-identification, natural phenomenon, fraud and psychological problems.
Occam's razor says it is 'little men in camouflaged green uniforms'...
QUOTE (MMC+Jun 18 2006, 08:36 AM)
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
You are out of your mind. People are providing you with much opposing information, and you still cling like a baby to the mothers breast. Sorry if your afraid, but some of us are watching the seasons change without so much fear and resistance.
Good luck with your state of innocense (I appreciate that, in its own "cute" way) but time for a bottle, and then on to a cup. one day, mayhaps, little one.
(be sure to get even!)
http://regenerating-universe.org/Where_are_Aliens_hiding.htm
Some claim that the last US president to be fully briefed about UFOs was Rosevelt. The Armed Forces took over from there.
One archeologist came up with a dating of a civilisation to be 200.000 years old, when her collegies allways say 10.000-20.000 years on finds and had her carreer ruined.
The mobilphonecompagnies dont tell You that children get braincancer from mobil/cell phones.
The banks don't tell You that their stock recomendations are sometimes investment banking.
Greenpeace dont tell You how much cleaner the world is today because then they dont get so many donations.
and on and on and on...
You should see the docu: Free Energy - The Race to Zero Point.avi where a canadian uses high frequency electromag. waves to levitate a cannonball. The stuff fly around in UFO pattern (shaky/zigzag). NASA classified it. Now there the beginnig of a link between the UFOs antigravity propulsion system that NASA is backengineering and conventional science.
Lets build a missile and shoot a UFO down. That should end the discussion. Just building the missile would be fun anaway! If it turns out to be a weaterballon or swampgas I will eat my hat and post the pic here.
Foregive my spelling pls.
One archeologist came up with a dating of a civilisation to be 200.000 years old, when her collegies allways say 10.000-20.000 years on finds and had her carreer ruined.
The mobilphonecompagnies dont tell You that children get braincancer from mobil/cell phones.
The banks don't tell You that their stock recomendations are sometimes investment banking.
Greenpeace dont tell You how much cleaner the world is today because then they dont get so many donations.
and on and on and on...
You should see the docu: Free Energy - The Race to Zero Point.avi where a canadian uses high frequency electromag. waves to levitate a cannonball. The stuff fly around in UFO pattern (shaky/zigzag). NASA classified it. Now there the beginnig of a link between the UFOs antigravity propulsion system that NASA is backengineering and conventional science.
Lets build a missile and shoot a UFO down. That should end the discussion.
Just building the missile would be fun anaway! If it turns out to be a weaterballon or swampgas I will eat my hat and post the pic here.Foregive my spelling pls.
See the trouble I caused when I posted this:
<i>OK, I believe that anything is possible and that it is always wise to keep an open mind. But, all government secrets leak out eventually. So, by now...if there were a cover-up, I think it would be out in the open. People have been talking about Area 51 for some time now. Still no hard evidence. I think that it is highly unlikely that there is a cover-up.</i>
I got just what I hoped for: a bunch of counter-arguments!
Hey, anything is possible. But, until I see hard, cold evidence...I'm not going to start running around with a tin foil hat.
<i>OK, I believe that anything is possible and that it is always wise to keep an open mind. But, all government secrets leak out eventually. So, by now...if there were a cover-up, I think it would be out in the open. People have been talking about Area 51 for some time now. Still no hard evidence. I think that it is highly unlikely that there is a cover-up.</i>
I got just what I hoped for: a bunch of counter-arguments!
Hey, anything is possible. But, until I see hard, cold evidence...I'm not going to start running around with a tin foil hat.
Hi
the sheriff in Rosswell on his deathbed told his daughters that yes there was a UFO recovered in 1947, but he was told to keep quiet or repercussions would come to his family. People CAN keep a secret. This stuff is kept so secret that the president is not even briefed. The staff at Area 51 is flown in every day in a big passenger jet and out again in the evening. With the goverment denying, tight security on bases and loyal employees I don't think we can expect someone to flash a camera inside Area51 and take a few photos. So all there is left is a few former employees testimony and amateur video and pics which is where we are today. I recommend the videos I've listed in previous posts because of the innocent tone in their voices of the recording people.
I'm having a great time downloading and seeing science docus, raw UFO video, and I'm so much more informed. Like someone said: I don't want to hear about it, I want to see it!
And pls if someone know how they build the pyramids in Egypt and South America let me know. Those stones weigh 200tons and can't be lifted by any crane we have today and You can't fit a piece of paper between the stones.
Scientist don't even know what gravity is or how Our brains work. There is so much to learn.
the sheriff in Rosswell on his deathbed told his daughters that yes there was a UFO recovered in 1947, but he was told to keep quiet or repercussions would come to his family. People CAN keep a secret. This stuff is kept so secret that the president is not even briefed. The staff at Area 51 is flown in every day in a big passenger jet and out again in the evening. With the goverment denying, tight security on bases and loyal employees I don't think we can expect someone to flash a camera inside Area51 and take a few photos. So all there is left is a few former employees testimony and amateur video and pics which is where we are today. I recommend the videos I've listed in previous posts because of the innocent tone in their voices of the recording people.
I'm having a great time downloading and seeing science docus, raw UFO video, and I'm so much more informed. Like someone said: I don't want to hear about it, I want to see it!
And pls if someone know how they build the pyramids in Egypt and South America let me know. Those stones weigh 200tons and can't be lifted by any crane we have today and You can't fit a piece of paper between the stones.
Scientist don't even know what gravity is or how Our brains work. There is so much to learn.
QUOTE (UFOGuufo+Jun 20 2006, 04:21 PM)
Hi
the sheriff in Rosswell on his deathbed told his daughters that yes there was a UFO recovered in 1947, but he was told to keep quiet or repercussions would come to his family. People CAN keep a secret. This stuff is kept so secret that the president is not even briefed. The staff at Area 51 is flown in every day in a big passenger jet and out again in the evening. With the goverment denying, tight security on bases and loyal employees I don't think we can expect someone to flash a camera inside Area51 and take a few photos. So all there is left is a few former employees testimony and amateur video and pics which is where we are today. I recommend the videos I've listed in previous posts because of the innocent tone in their voices of the recording people.
I'm having a great time downloading and seeing science docus, raw UFO video, and I'm so much more informed. Like someone said: I don't want to hear about it, I want to see it!
And pls if someone know how they build the pyramids in Egypt and South America let me know. Those stones weigh 200tons and can't be lifted by any crane we have today and You can't fit a piece of paper between the stones.
Scientist don't even know what gravity is or how Our brains work. There is so much to learn.
Kind of an interesting story about the sheriff. The rancher made the same claims, and the commanding officer also made the same initial claim. Then the clamp down came along and it was washed under with the story of a weather balloon that had been found... All interesting. anybody have any personal discussions with anyone from Roswell? Just curious.
MM
the sheriff in Rosswell on his deathbed told his daughters that yes there was a UFO recovered in 1947, but he was told to keep quiet or repercussions would come to his family. People CAN keep a secret. This stuff is kept so secret that the president is not even briefed. The staff at Area 51 is flown in every day in a big passenger jet and out again in the evening. With the goverment denying, tight security on bases and loyal employees I don't think we can expect someone to flash a camera inside Area51 and take a few photos. So all there is left is a few former employees testimony and amateur video and pics which is where we are today. I recommend the videos I've listed in previous posts because of the innocent tone in their voices of the recording people.
I'm having a great time downloading and seeing science docus, raw UFO video, and I'm so much more informed. Like someone said: I don't want to hear about it, I want to see it!
And pls if someone know how they build the pyramids in Egypt and South America let me know. Those stones weigh 200tons and can't be lifted by any crane we have today and You can't fit a piece of paper between the stones.
Scientist don't even know what gravity is or how Our brains work. There is so much to learn.
Kind of an interesting story about the sheriff. The rancher made the same claims, and the commanding officer also made the same initial claim. Then the clamp down came along and it was washed under with the story of a weather balloon that had been found... All interesting. anybody have any personal discussions with anyone from Roswell? Just curious.
MM
Hi
No not me. I believe the commander was very high ranking: General/Admiral. And he comfirmed that a UFO was recovered. As You write the coverup then took effect.
I don't even know anyone who have seen a UFO. I might take a vacation to a UFO prone area eventualy. Don't know where they are yet. It must be awsome to withness a one when You think about it .
No not me. I believe the commander was very high ranking: General/Admiral. And he comfirmed that a UFO was recovered. As You write the coverup then took effect.
I don't even know anyone who have seen a UFO. I might take a vacation to a UFO prone area eventualy. Don't know where they are yet. It must be awsome to withness a one when You think about it
.
QUOTE
You are out of your mind. People are providing you with much opposing information, and you still cling like a baby to the mothers breast. Sorry if your afraid, but some of us are watching the seasons change without so much fear and resistance.
Good luck with your state of innocense (I appreciate that, in its own "cute" way) but time for a bottle, and then on to a cup. one day, mayhaps, little one.
Only in America...
There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military:
Some facts:
1. Started by the US military via planted media story. (Roswell)
2. Peddled by CIA.
3. Given cult status by the US media
4. Countless fake photos - requires a military budget.
5. Groomlake Nevada - Area51 - is another US military base.
6. Government investigations can be interpreted as being staged.
7. No hardcore physical evidence.
The ginger-bread trail always comes back to the US military and an operation designed to make the citizens of the US responsive to the power of suggestion.
Face it...the entire planet thinks you lot are idiots...
Hi
MMC You wrote: "There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military"
Nobody wants to look a fool in the eyes of others. I've seen a few docus about witches and atlantis where people dress up. Makes me laugh. There are the cults and various societies of old men performing seremonies. Go figure.
I dont think the UFO withnesses come in that category though. They are often independent people who tell their story and risking their reputation as sane in doing so. And You can't convince me they are part of a psyop operation unless You provide proof.
Certainly there are a lot of coverups/misleading the public/filtering of information by the US goverment, other goverments and corporations. This is evident from watching Michael Moore "The naked truth" alone. I've expressed this earlyer here.
The basic question is: Who do You/we trust?
(Let me guess:
Your answer: I trust myself
My reply: Thats right, don't believe nothing, You're so right
The problem: Nobody believes anybody (that a bad though secure attitude)
The solution: investigate evidence and share info like we do here
The really Big problem: People believe in Jesus, Mohammed, the Presi of US, the commercials, the politicians... Is there anyone out there with a level head?
I remember one UFO withness said: "Millions of people believe in a guy who resurrected, walk on water, turned water into vine, who's father split the ocean, and took the jews through the desert in 40 years, but nobody believe me when I tell them I saw a disc in the sky.
PS: The right translation for the hebrew "Heaven" in the Bible is "the sky" not "Heaven"! Kind of changes the story...
MMC You wrote: "There is no evidence to suggest that the events in the US are nothing more than a psychological operation (psyop) being run by the US military"
Nobody wants to look a fool in the eyes of others. I've seen a few docus about witches and atlantis where people dress up. Makes me laugh. There are the cults and various societies of old men performing seremonies. Go figure.
I dont think the UFO withnesses come in that category though. They are often independent people who tell their story and risking their reputation as sane in doing so. And You can't convince me they are part of a psyop operation unless You provide proof.
Certainly there are a lot of coverups/misleading the public/filtering of information by the US goverment, other goverments and corporations. This is evident from watching Michael Moore "The naked truth" alone. I've expressed this earlyer here.
The basic question is: Who do You/we trust?
(Let me guess:
Your answer: I trust myself
My reply: Thats right, don't believe nothing, You're so right
The problem: Nobody believes anybody (that a bad though secure attitude)
The solution: investigate evidence and share info like we do here
The really Big problem: People believe in Jesus, Mohammed, the Presi of US, the commercials, the politicians... Is there anyone out there with a level head?
I remember one UFO withness said: "Millions of people believe in a guy who resurrected, walk on water, turned water into vine, who's father split the ocean, and took the jews through the desert in 40 years, but nobody believe me when I tell them I saw a disc in the sky.
PS: The right translation for the hebrew "Heaven" in the Bible is "the sky" not "Heaven"! Kind of changes the story...
Just one link to investigate, there are so many others you may find for yourselves!
I like this one:
http://ufologie.net/indexe.htm
I like this one:
http://ufologie.net/indexe.htm
QUOTE (MMC+Jun 27 2006, 02:56 PM)
Face it...the entire planet thinks you lot are idiots...
Or maybe just most of the people who have seen actual evidence of UFO's Know that you are a smug jerk.
whatever!
Hi
I use DC++ and PeerGuardian to find UFO videos,
but I searched www.youtube.com for UFO and found:
(direct UFO video links)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noymBV1tCU4&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7a4AYhb_8...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtKuBKIaVvs...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGBBPvp5oMU...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M5fOkT_aas...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEPDGzMSWsU...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU8VurFo3Z0...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3oJQWChQtI...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0pU3GUYxvQ&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwyHiSuMks&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhlCtBdnXg&search=ufo (sound is not original!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPp9O9cMlTk&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Y5RjhOThM&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnoQAsImT6M&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7U20sjvgR0&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuWnSeceA1E&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvo2AtaJWqE&search=ufo
If You want to remain skeptic:
(direct nonUFO video links)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-H4KXE6uKY...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7f5PTxua08...ated&search=ufo
Hope the links work.
I use DC++ and PeerGuardian to find UFO videos,
but I searched www.youtube.com for UFO and found:
(direct UFO video links)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noymBV1tCU4&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7a4AYhb_8...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtKuBKIaVvs...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGBBPvp5oMU...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M5fOkT_aas...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEPDGzMSWsU...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU8VurFo3Z0...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3oJQWChQtI...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0pU3GUYxvQ&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwyHiSuMks&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhlCtBdnXg&search=ufo (sound is not original!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPp9O9cMlTk&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Y5RjhOThM&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnoQAsImT6M&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7U20sjvgR0&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuWnSeceA1E&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvo2AtaJWqE&search=ufo
If You want to remain skeptic:
(direct nonUFO video links)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-H4KXE6uKY...ated&search=ufo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7f5PTxua08...ated&search=ufo
Hope the links work.
I am always skeptical, but also keep an open mind. I have seen a few things that I cannot explain, pretty cool things, but not going to jump on the extraterrestial starship right off the bat... I know that we are not the only sentient beings in the universe, but whether or not they visit here regularly, who knows? I think it would be pretty far out to sit and chat with them at some point, if they do visit, imagine the things they might share... and of course, always a childhood dream to sail among the stars...
Beam me up Scotty, there is very little intelligent life down here!
Hee Hee
MM
Beam me up Scotty, there is very little intelligent life down here!
Hee Hee
MM
If someone can't tell the difference between evidence and an opinion than they lack the ability to have a meaningful debate. Some people just never learn to function on higher than a 6th grade level. Unfortunately most of them don't realize it. Even more unfortunately these people are probably in the majority.
QUOTE (Masked Marauder+Jun 29 2006, 01:15 AM)
imagine the things they might share...
Whenever I think about the reasons an extraterrestrial would travel here, I can't help but humanize it. The only reason we ever traveled far was to conquer. In the interim, there was usually a lot of blood spilling about.
I say, if we ever do find out that we are being visited by extraterrestrials, the next time they come we should turn out the lights and be really quiet until they leave. I have no desire to run out of my house yelling at them saying "WELCOME" while they turn my head into a "cool gearshift handle" to show off to their alien buddies.
"It was so funny! He was like, "WELCOME", and I was all like, "ZAP! little dude" then I ripped his head off and made this really cool shifter thingy..."
As far as UFOs, we really need to come up with a different name for them. UFOs are absolutely real. I see them everyday. If it's an object and it's flying and I don't know what it is, it's a UFO. Nothing in the name implies something from another planet or extraterrestrials.
I think we need to call them, ESOIEL's:
"Extraterrestrial Spacecraft Operated by Intelligent Extraterrestrial Lifeforms"
Either that, or how about "Whatchamacallits"? I like that one as well...
Whenever I think about the reasons an extraterrestrial would travel here, I can't help but humanize it. The only reason we ever traveled far was to conquer. In the interim, there was usually a lot of blood spilling about.
I say, if we ever do find out that we are being visited by extraterrestrials, the next time they come we should turn out the lights and be really quiet until they leave. I have no desire to run out of my house yelling at them saying "WELCOME" while they turn my head into a "cool gearshift handle" to show off to their alien buddies.
"It was so funny! He was like, "WELCOME", and I was all like, "ZAP! little dude" then I ripped his head off and made this really cool shifter thingy..."
As far as UFOs, we really need to come up with a different name for them. UFOs are absolutely real. I see them everyday. If it's an object and it's flying and I don't know what it is, it's a UFO. Nothing in the name implies something from another planet or extraterrestrials.
I think we need to call them, ESOIEL's:
"Extraterrestrial Spacecraft Operated by Intelligent Extraterrestrial Lifeforms"
Either that, or how about "Whatchamacallits"? I like that one as well...
Using WordPad as a form of conmunication over a connection is possable, I have even done it. Not going into details. But yes, it is possable, try google?
If this has been posted before, then my sincere apologies.
I have previously read into these links of many;
http://www.areadownload.com/video/ufo.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/alien_caught_on_camera_phone.htm
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestufovideos1.html
http://www.crowdedskies.com/ufo_pictures2.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/download_documents.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/ufo_videos.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/alien_pictures.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/crop_circles.htm
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicvideos.html
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9080369676973948865
http://www.ufodigest.com/
No harm in reading, but the fact remains, if I witnessed Mr. Bush killing my dad cold blooded, NOTHING could ever change or whither for me the truth, nor what happened.
I did believe many of such claimers are lunatics, many are delusional in twisting what they see to fit desire, many are merely "believers", many parrotting... BUT an awful lot of GREAT reputative men and women of utmost knowledge, wisdom, integrity and lack of "faith" have also sternly & ardently suggested this, who I can never bring myself to ever doubt; as they are more at mind than most people on Earth in many ways. There is definite proof and reason for "something" very controversial, which has not and cannot be falsified without thorough premises, documentary and person to person investigations.
Is very, if not extremely odd & nefarious in itself that the US government has not specifically addressed this nor debunked this, as it does elsewhere on every minute call, implying very much what we may fear. And this being the government which supports Iran mini-nuke preemptive attacks by itself and Israel if they defy its legitimate domestic right when called against, due to NOTHING of any evidence but "agendas" and blind hatred, regardless of anything. Double tongued to say the least.
Letter to Bush Re: Iran
It should show you something very firmly at least about the US & the often increasing number of its like-minded individuals.
Many of these individuals (claimers) have less if any agenda, more of a reputation and fine character/judgment, and more to loose than ANY US official or patriotic governmental supporter, by a stretch very vast.
I suport anyone having the full right to hold onto and speak of what they witnessed, if they did so without agenda and in complete undistorted truth, & hence research and inquire very thoroughly and deeply into this, until something of clear accurate inert and inner information is revealed.
Appreciate it.
REX84: FEMA's Blueprint of Martial Law in America
I have previously read into these links of many;
http://www.areadownload.com/video/ufo.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/alien_caught_on_camera_phone.htm
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestufovideos1.html
http://www.crowdedskies.com/ufo_pictures2.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/download_documents.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/ufo_videos.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/alien_pictures.htm
http://www.crowdedskies.com/crop_circles.htm
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicvideos.html
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9080369676973948865
http://www.ufodigest.com/
No harm in reading, but the fact remains, if I witnessed Mr. Bush killing my dad cold blooded, NOTHING could ever change or whither for me the truth, nor what happened.
I did believe many of such claimers are lunatics, many are delusional in twisting what they see to fit desire, many are merely "believers", many parrotting... BUT an awful lot of GREAT reputative men and women of utmost knowledge, wisdom, integrity and lack of "faith" have also sternly & ardently suggested this, who I can never bring myself to ever doubt; as they are more at mind than most people on Earth in many ways. There is definite proof and reason for "something" very controversial, which has not and cannot be falsified without thorough premises, documentary and person to person investigations.
Is very, if not extremely odd & nefarious in itself that the US government has not specifically addressed this nor debunked this, as it does elsewhere on every minute call, implying very much what we may fear. And this being the government which supports Iran mini-nuke preemptive attacks by itself and Israel if they defy its legitimate domestic right when called against, due to NOTHING of any evidence but "agendas" and blind hatred, regardless of anything. Double tongued to say the least.
Letter to Bush Re: Iran
It should show you something very firmly at least about the US & the often increasing number of its like-minded individuals.
Many of these individuals (claimers) have less if any agenda, more of a reputation and fine character/judgment, and more to loose than ANY US official or patriotic governmental supporter, by a stretch very vast.
I suport anyone having the full right to hold onto and speak of what they witnessed, if they did so without agenda and in complete undistorted truth, & hence research and inquire very thoroughly and deeply into this, until something of clear accurate inert and inner information is revealed.
Appreciate it.
REX84: FEMA's Blueprint of Martial Law in America
QUOTE
I have no desire to run out of my house yelling at them saying "WELCOME" while they turn my head into a "cool gearshift handle" to show off to their alien buddies.
Me neither and a very good point. Perhaps the secrecy/denial comes from the same deliberations by the top US military. Fortunately they return the repeatedly abducted people after giving them a "medical". But offcause this still scares the .... out of them (see Whitley Strieber: "Communion"). It seems we are guiniepigs so far and not yet victims, but who know what the future brings?
Thx for the links SC2, there are >1Gb video
If there is NothinG out there it seems that an awfull lot of people have let them selves deceive by...?...what really?
If there is SomethinG out there it seems the goverments have an akward time explaining ahead of them. One or the other.
You might want to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZtY7368dxs...related&search=
I don't doubt these guys:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65...10&q=disclosure
This topic get more and more exiting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZtY7368dxs...related&search=
I don't doubt these guys:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65...10&q=disclosure
This topic get more and more exiting.
QUOTE
I dont think the UFO withnesses come in that category though. They are often independent people who tell their story and risking their reputation as sane in doing so. And You can't convince me they are part of a psyop operation unless You provide proof.
But you are ready to believe the inverse which certainly has no proof.
Bit of double standards going on there...
The UFO conspiracy theory at roswell, was just a cover for intelligence gathering operations that made use of the sound channel in the atmosphere to detect nuclear explosions.
That's psyops...like it or not...all from the US military...the same guys who gave soldiers LSD.
We, as in society in general, pay these guys to murder people...in there millions if need be...they'd do anything to anyone...
I tend to analyze peoples motives for lying when choosing who to believe. For me that comes out in favour of "ordinary" UFO withnesses and confessing ex-military personel like the ones in this video:
But ultimately it is a choise of belief, I'll grant You that MMC. Don't think it's double standard though just a choise of belief since I don't have any "hard" evidence. For me its kind of the same when 3 fysics professors tells You there are multiple universes or everything is built of strings. They can never proove it but one has to take their word for granted.
But ultimately it is a choise of belief, I'll grant You that MMC. Don't think it's double standard though just a choise of belief since I don't have any "hard" evidence. For me its kind of the same when 3 fysics professors tells You there are multiple universes or everything is built of strings. They can never proove it but one has to take their word for granted.
The UFO conspiracy theory at roswell, was just a cover for intelligence gathering operations that made use of the sound channel in the atmosphere to detect nuclear explosions.
That's psyops...like it or not...all from the US military...the same guys who gave soldiers LSD.
I don't think so, but maybe You're right. It could well be that some of the UFO videos/testimonys is fabricated by some secret organisation. It's a fact that some is fake, I know that . But isn't Roswell just the first drop in a big ocean of UFO reports?
If I were to come up with an explanation for the UFO not existing it would be:
Our brain creates reality by combining and processing the inputs from our sences into one perception of "our world". This is not the same as "the real world". I think UFOs exist in "our world" (our brain sees them), but wether they exist in "the real world" I don't know. I can only see "my world" as my brain creates it (by combining the inputs from my eyes, ears, nose, mouth and skin). And certainly that process can be manipulated by just about anybody (parents/goverments/magicians/society/aliens) and anything (alcohol/tobacco/chemicals/drugs).
The past human history has shown You to be right. Lets hope it will be better in the future.
QUOTE
But ultimately it is a choise of belief, I'll grant You that MMC. Don't think it's double standard though just a choise of belief since I don't have any "hard" evidence. For me its kind of the same when 3 fysics professors tells You there are multiple universes or everything is built of strings. They can never proove it but one has to take their word for granted.
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| QUOTE |
| I don't doubt these guys: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65...10&q=disclosure |
But ultimately it is a choise of belief, I'll grant You that MMC. Don't think it's double standard though just a choise of belief since I don't have any "hard" evidence. For me its kind of the same when 3 fysics professors tells You there are multiple universes or everything is built of strings. They can never proove it but one has to take their word for granted.
The UFO conspiracy theory at roswell, was just a cover for intelligence gathering operations that made use of the sound channel in the atmosphere to detect nuclear explosions.
That's psyops...like it or not...all from the US military...the same guys who gave soldiers LSD.
I don't think so, but maybe You're right. It could well be that some of the UFO videos/testimonys is fabricated by some secret organisation. It's a fact that some is fake, I know that
. But isn't Roswell just the first drop in a big ocean of UFO reports?If I were to come up with an explanation for the UFO not existing it would be:
Our brain creates reality by combining and processing the inputs from our sences into one perception of "our world". This is not the same as "the real world". I think UFOs exist in "our world" (our brain sees them), but wether they exist in "the real world" I don't know. I can only see "my world" as my brain creates it (by combining the inputs from my eyes, ears, nose, mouth and skin). And certainly that process can be manipulated by just about anybody (parents/goverments/magicians/society/aliens) and anything (alcohol/tobacco/chemicals/drugs).
QUOTE
We, as in society in general, pay these guys to murder people...in there millions if need be...they'd do anything to anyone...
The past human history has shown You to be right. Lets hope it will be better in the future.
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Using WordPad as a form of conmunication over a connection is possable, I have even done it. Not going into details. But yes, it is possable, try google(Architektur Visualisierung)?
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