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AlecWest
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Finally, DVD players have reached a price-point where most people can afford them. And, DVD recorders are reaching a price-point that threatens the future of VHS recorders. Industry's answer to that? Create a new DVD format to make the old format obsolete.

This is typical. The home electronics industry has been steadily nudging us toward the next new thing. But this time around, there's a difference ... and Toshiba and film studios are proceeding cautiously. While they may say they're putting DVD content on one side of the disk and HD-DVD content on the other to encourage people to make the format transition, I suspect there's another reason ... that they're worried the consumer will not make the leap.

No, I'm not saying people don't want the next best thing. They always do. What I am saying is that earning power in the U.S. is eroding. Blue collar jobs are being relocated overseas and the jobs replacing them pay less ... all at a time when costs for energy, health care, and God knows what else are going up. So, while white collar earners might be able to afford this upcoming new format, a lot of blue collar earners are hanging onto their VCRs ... not wanting to upgrade to a DVD format they know the industry plans to sunset.

P.S. I'm speaking as a person who, back in the early seventies, laid out a considerable amount of money on what the industry told me was the next new thing - Quadraphonic Stereo. I bought the SQ decoders from Sony to cover the SQ technology offerings and a JVC 4-channel receiver/amp with four speakers to handle it ... as well as the Discrete technology JVC championed. And as we all know, SQ and Discrete quadraphonic stereo technology now rests in the graveyard of home entertainment systems. The consumer didn't "jump" back then ... and it's possible they won't "jump" now either. The telling sign?

HDTV television sets are not flying off store shelves. There's a reason. And if you're not going to buy an HDTV set, there's no point in having HD-DVD technology ... is there?

It's also well to note that, all the while, when those who can afford the technology are salivating over the possibility of being the first on their block to have it, the industry remains in motion. And deep in the bowels of Toshiba's R&D department (and other R&D departments), they're surely working on the "UD-DVD" format that will make HD-DVD obsolete ... and possibly even laying the groundwork for the successor to UD-DVD.

longlivelinky
I knew this would happen when DVD came out
as its digital
Anything within the computer area part of an industry always goes under research to be bettered and usually takes very little time and they release it as soon as they can making a perfectly good model obselete
Blu-ray or them new other ones will come out 2005-2006
and then in 2007-2008 a brand new type will come out

It wont end
And some people will pay loads of money to get it-fair play to them if they have the money
but for people without money its pretty annoying that you cant get a film or have trouble getting a film just because you have an obselete model that can play the film perfectly anyway but companies want to make money so dont put it on your fine format.

It is really annoying.
I understand the transition to DVD from video as it is better-but the only upgrades we can get now is more room which is a pathetic reason til we need to really use it.
True it can get annoying having a massive box of 10 DVD's and would be better being on just one disc-but DVD with the normal laser it has can reach them densities if they really tried-you always see processor companies wean out as much power they can out of there models but with DVD theyre not really bothering and just thinking of making newer formats
Neutron
QUOTE (longlivelinky+Dec 16 2004, 09:30 AM)
I understand the transition to DVD from video as it is better-but the only upgrades we can get now is more room which is a pathetic reason til we need to really use it.

5.1 surround sound and better picture quality too
Guest
QUOTE (longlivelinky+Dec 16 2004, 09:30 AM)
I understand the transition to DVD from video as it is better-but the only upgrades we can get now is more room which is a pathetic reason til we need to really use it.

We need to really use it. DVD picture quality is pretty far from perfection. With HD DVD or Blu ray, Movies will have about 6 times more resolution and will also give us better sound. Its a bigger leap in picture quality than going from VHS to DVD.
Cornholio
The utility of HD-DVD will depend a lot on how the source material is sampled
and coded. Regular DVD are only 4:2:0. They don't even have the color
rendition of full NTSC. AND, full NTSC has only 1/2 the color rendition of
RGB, film, etc.

The content owners are scared of piracy. They will likely push to minimize the
reproduction quality. Those of us who give a sh*t about quality need to be vocal.

It is also worth mentioning that almost NO video displays are yet capable of
actually reproducing 1920 horizontal elements. That is what is required to
faithfully show 1080i/p HD. Hell, when the rubber meets the road, you can't
even find computer monitors that will actually do it. No CRT displays actually
have enough dot-triads/stripes on the face of the tube to render 1920 horizontal.
The few LCD that actually have 1920 horizontal pixels, have such high LCD
latency that motion artifacts are visible (forget gaming or sports viewing).

When I was younger, I had the opportunity to see short films shot in ShowScan.
That was the most amazing viewing experience that I have ever seen.
While lacking the spatial resolution, 1080-60p (60 fps progressive) COULD
be stored on HD-DVD, and would provide striking, highly realistic temporal
resolution (if manufacturers ever make low-latency video monitors to show it).
HD-DVD does have promise. It will not be hobbled (bandwidth constrained)
like over-the-air HD, or cable/satellite delivered HD. HD-DVD _could_ be good.

I hope we push the content owners to deliver 4:4:4 1080-60p.

holoman
Can't help but say this is just another WORM technology that will not
be around in 5 years.

Nanotechnology discoveries are coming out every day and there has
to be something better on the horizon.

Terri
holoman wrote:

"Can't help but say this is just another WORM technology that will not
be around in 5 years.

Nanotechnology discoveries are coming out every day and there has
to be something better on the horizon."

Instead of making pictures from mathematical digital dots, it must be possible to develop a technique with fluid elements, that flow into infinitely sharp images, like in photo film. A scientific development that continues the road from the old homemovie projectors (which became obsolete and disappeared with the overall dominating TV technique) maybe. Instead of projecting the film through the room and onto a white screen, it is transferred directly to a screen. If the traditional TV technique had not been invented, and science would have walked down a different road, then razor sharp images probably had been a reality today.
kaneda
VHS is still better than DVD's. They never dissolve into a mass of pixels, never freeze, never not play straight from the box and do not have to be kept in a sterile environment in case they get a speck of dust on them or a tiny scratch. On video, you can record 8 hours of TV for one pound whose playback on a 4 head machine is as good as DVD's claim to be. I have VHS tapes from 1978 which are still OK to watch.

Of course I miss all the DVD extras. Not.
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