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Quantum Chaos
Everything in our world of products change at hyper exponentially increasing rates.

Just imagine within three decades. What will be available to a consumer by then? Assuming we do not fall off a cliff of some sort... There should definitely be quantum computing for secure transactions. Also a full scale quantum computer of qubits measured in trillions.

But for the average human on this planet things are bright in this long term era. We may have resource constrictions that continue to awaken our need to innovate. I suggest that within three decades we could end most poverty everywhere politically accessible.

Within a two decades we will have cheap but powerful machines smart enough to harvest biomass in a biosphere. Materials will be strong enough to build CO2 condensing biospheres with well maintained growth in hydroponics in ships on ocean that can submerge to weather storms. They could charge up at geothermal vents to produce more and power the ship.

Preemptive support to transition workers to highly skilled positions(aided by electronics) needs to occur so we all can be productive in our own way. Basically everyone will be as wealthy as they want. It would be a matter of effort to gain huge sums of wealth. But for everything you need could very well be set for life on even the lowest paying job or disability income you could afford tons of compounding assets. With food & fuel being produced and shipped to you at rock bottom prices yeah that's $1 a gallon cost to consumer profits would go to assist needy humans.
Profits on an inflated dollar for one gallon of fuel? I truly believe it can be done. Once the infrastructure was established It could produce enough food & fuel to sustain population growth into the colonization of space era.

Almost everyone could live like a rich one. Computing capability will also be so cheap you could afford to buy the manufacturing unit and supply it with everything it needs in your garage to produce electronic components overtime. They I imagine could produce a 3d chip by carefully layering components overtime. Then use the device's as you make spares. What then to do with enormous computations? I will use it as a business partner secretary driver engineer also something to bounce ideas off of.

Of course we need a different economic system. Right now we should introduce a new currency backed by computations keeping the old system intact with it. People could interact with a program creating valuable human aided computations. It would create a market for your attention. As computation gets more powerful productivity increases creating more currency with more products.

flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Quantum Chaos+Jan 26 2011, 02:54 AM)
Everything in our world of products change at hyper exponentially increasing rates.

False premise. Try again.
Quantum Chaos
Just look at what has happened over time in our civilization. The rate of change in our world has not been a smooth line but it continues to increase and will do so overall for at least the rest of our natural lifetime. We as a whole system are about to a point when tech progress becomes blindingly fast.
Quantum_Conundrum
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jan 26 2011, 11:06 AM)
False premise. Try again.

I think he's referring to information technology and computers in general. Not literally meaning "everything".



Nevertheless, computer technology and nano-technology are obviously intricately linked in a feedback loop, whereby the more one advances the more it helps the other advance.


Personally, I am optimistic about technology, but I am pessimistic about our economics.

The U.S. is seriously ruining it's future with it's ridiculously out of control defecit spending of the government threatening to destroy our civilization from the inside out. Then combine this with the insanely out of control capitalism profiting the very wealthy more and more, which along with fuel prices, is shortly bringing about "post modern" legalized slavery.

Those with "old wealth" in America refuse to make any transition to a more modern adn fair form of economics, and for those with "new wealth" it is too tempting for them to turn around and go the way of the "old wealth" people, using money and technology for monopolizing and manipulating, instead of liberation.

Where is the money for the U.S. deficit? The reality is the only people who have the money to pay for the deficit are the top 10% wealthy people. They have pocketed most of the wealth of the entire nation and make 10 or 20 million per year, up to billions per year in some cases, and then want to complain if htey have to pay another million worth of taxes.

It's just like Lords and Ladies in feudalism (unconstitutional, BTW, read it,) but the only difference is we don't "call" them "Dukes, Earls, or Lords and ladies" but they get all the same privilidges: They get to own everything and tell everyone else what to do...


Additionally, as long as people insist on flocking to movie theatres and football games to make more people into multi-millionaires for no reason, this problem will only get worse and worse, until some limit is reached and the entire nation falls apart or reaches a revolution...


There should not be CEOs in any nation who make more personal annual income than the entire U.S. congress combined, but there are several in the U.S. alone.

There is no other word for this except to call it what it is, which is a legalized form of slavery, whereby a few people own everyone else, whether or not everyone else realizes it....
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Quantum Chaos+Jan 26 2011, 03:47 PM)
Just look at what has happened over time in our civilization. The rate of change in our world has not been a smooth line but it continues to increase and will do so overall for at least the rest of our natural lifetime. We as a whole system are about to a point when tech progress becomes blindingly fast.

What data points are you using? What time scale are you looking at?
Yes, we are in the middle of the biggest tech boom in history, but future innovation is not a sure thing. We could hit a wall 10, 20 or 30 years from now. Playing around with graphs isn't going to predict the future.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Jan 26 2011, 03:48 PM)
The U.S. is seriously ruining it's future with it's ridiculously out of control defecit spending of the government threatening to destroy our civilization from the inside out. Then combine this with the insanely out of control capitalism profiting the very wealthy more and more, which along with fuel prices, is shortly bringing about "post modern" legalized slavery.

You seem to forget that a large percentage of the national debt was created by two individuals withe names Reagan and Bush.

Maybe your bitching and moaning has more to do with the fact that Democrats are spending money, as opposed to Republicans. Where were all the budget conscious Americans BEFORE Obama got into office? Were they asleep?
Quantum Chaos
I believe the economy could be transformed by available technology right now. There are several systems that would save tons of resources.
Quantum_Conundrum
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jan 26 2011, 04:01 PM)
You seem to forget that a large percentage of the national debt was created by two individuals withe names Reagan and Bush.

Maybe your bitching and moaning has more to do with the fact that Democrats are spending money, as opposed to Republicans. Where were all the budget conscious Americans BEFORE Obama got into office? Were they asleep?

FBM:

I've been complaining about the over spending for most of my life.

I used to go around trying to explain to people just how big a trillion dollars is and how bad the debt is, but nobody gets it so I mostly gave up.



I along with the people i worked with at the time knew the economy was in trouble back in 2006. We knew about how bad the financial sector had become even then, because our company was selling people IRAs with 4.5% interest when the "big boys" on wallstreet were giving only about 1%. These companies knew they were broke even back then. They had to know, because WE knew they were broke...


The federal government is broke. The deficit is so high now that they'd have to tax another 10% of GDP just to break even again, and the ONLY way they could get that is to raise taxes on the top 10% of people SUBSTANTIALLY. I'm talking basicly double digit tax increase on the top 10% wealthy people, or they will NOT ever break even again....and it needs to be done within a few years, or the interest will become so high that it won't be possible at all...

It doesn't matter who's in the government, they always put it off another 4 or 6 years because the wealthy and the special interest groups own them.

At some point the millionaires and billionaires are going to have to eat it.
Quantum Chaos
With recent advances in quantum computing like the one with silicon. Indicate that we will have computers that exponentially increase in number of possible outcomes every quantum bit. That means certain performance would double for every new fundamental unit. It almost certainly suggests that this singularity of technology will continue for awhile.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Quantum Chaos+Jan 26 2011, 04:29 PM)
With recent advances in quantum computing like the one with silicon. Indicate that we will have computers that exponentially increase in number of possible outcomes every quantum bit. That means certain performance would double for every new fundamental unit. It almost certainly suggests that this singularity of technology will continue for awhile.

We'll have to see what happens, won't we?
Quantum_Conundrum
Look here: This is impressive automated assembly using modular structural components.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-roboti...wers-video.html




flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Jan 26 2011, 07:36 PM)
Look here: This is impressive automated assembly using modular structural components.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-roboti...wers-video.html

Please don't tell me that you think this is relevant to your self-assembly wanking.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Jan 26 2011, 04:24 PM)
It doesn't matter who's in the government, they always put it off another 4 or 6 years because the wealthy and the special interest groups own them.

At some point the millionaires and billionaires are going to have to eat it.

What point is that? The government is bought and paid for by the wealthy. I don't really see that changing any time soon.

Here's my solution to everyone's problems: cut military spending in half. That's $300+ billion saved per year. There's really no need to outspend the rest of the world combined. Short of a major economic catastrophe, I don't think the major powers of the world would attempt any kind of military action against each other. Plus, our massive national debt ensures that our primary rival, China, has nothing to gain from damaging our economy.

Would you consider yourself a Libertarian by any chance?
Quantum_Conundrum
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Jan 26 2011, 08:58 PM)
What point is that? The government is bought and paid for by the wealthy. I don't really see that changing any time soon.

Only in terms of paper.

The wealthy got wealthy by exploiting the average, through over-charging and under-paying.

After all, that's what capitalism is all about, especially once you either put your competitors out of business, or form oligopolies with existing competitors to maintain status quo.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+Jan 27 2011, 05:38 PM)
Only in terms of paper.

The wealthy got wealthy by exploiting the average, through over-charging and under-paying.

After all, that's what capitalism is all about, especially once you either put your competitors out of business, or form oligopolies with existing competitors to maintain status quo.

The status quo is stability. Stability is what civilizations are built on. You seem to have a problem with capitalism, but you have no alternative solution.
Capracus
Self taught robot.
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One of Eureqa's initial achievements was identifying the basic laws of motion by analyzing the motion of a double pendulum. What took Sir Isaac Newton years to discover, Eureqa did in a few hours when running on a personal computer.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/...11013162937.htm
Capracus
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