Believers and speculators, what, if any, is your god's gender? Is your god's behavior an example to follow in regards to your own gender role?
You forgot to capitalize God. Do you want to insult His believers?
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 14 2008, 12:27 AM)
You forgot to capitalize God. Do you want to insult His believers?
I intentionally used the word "god" to include all possible interpretations, not just the monotheistic model that uses god as an exclusive term.
I noticed that you refer to your god in the masculine singular. What evidence do have that would indicate that there exists only a single god, and that it has a specific gender?
I intentionally used the word "god" to include all possible interpretations, not just the monotheistic model that uses god as an exclusive term.
I noticed that you refer to your god in the masculine singular. What evidence do have that would indicate that there exists only a single god, and that it has a specific gender?
There is only One universe and it was made for man.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch Raemsch
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 14 2008, 09:16 PM)
There is only One universe and it was made for man.
Mitch Raemsch
Isn't that like saying that we create our society for bacteria?
Mitch Raemsch
Isn't that like saying that we create our society for bacteria?
God made this world for the spirit of man and his journey.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch Raemsch
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 15 2008, 12:56 AM)
God made this world for the spirit of man and his journey.
Mitch Raemsch
What are the qualities of man's spirit? What is its destination?
Mitch Raemsch
What are the qualities of man's spirit? What is its destination?
The soul cannot be further defined. Destination is to become perfect as your Father in Heaven.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch Raemsch
QUOTE (Capracus+Dec 13 2008, 01:54 PM)
Believers and speculators, what, if any, is your god's gender? Is your god's behavior an example to follow in regards to your own gender role?
A "Creator" requires no gender.
A "Creator" requires no gender.
QUOTE (Gary Gaulin+Dec 15 2008, 06:30 AM)
A "Creator" requires no gender.
Then why is one often assigned?
Then why is one often assigned?
QUOTE (Capracus+Dec 15 2008, 07:39 AM)
Then why is one often assigned?
There are female deities. Some believe both a male and female deity exists.
Assigning a gender appears to be anthropomorphic. Only thing I know of to get closer to the truth is science.
There are female deities. Some believe both a male and female deity exists.
Assigning a gender appears to be anthropomorphic. Only thing I know of to get closer to the truth is science.
God is before gender. Gender is a catagory of creation itself.
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 14 2008, 10:19 PM)
The soul cannot be further defined. Destination is to become perfect as your Father in Heaven.
Mitch Raemsch
My Father's in Texas.
Mitch Raemsch
My Father's in Texas.
Cusa,
Why would not capitalising god offend you? Even if it does (and why it should defies understanding), why do expect rational, reasonable people to cowtow to your ridiculous ideas? Why do any of you (and all) of you sky-fairyists have the expectation that everyone else on the planet has to conform to some bizarre standards you place on yourselves?
Let's have a test of the offence a god would take of this;
god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god.
(wait 5 minutes ..................................................................................)
Hmmmmmmmm, I still alive, in the same condition physicall and mentally and the house hasn't burnt down. I can only surmise that your god, should it exist despite all evidence to the contrary, isn't offended. If it isn't, why should you be? Unless, of course, in the back of your mind, you have an inkling I may well be right. That is my guess for your moronic offence.
Physfan
QUOTE
You forgot to capitalize God. Do you want to insult His believers?
Why would not capitalising god offend you? Even if it does (and why it should defies understanding), why do expect rational, reasonable people to cowtow to your ridiculous ideas? Why do any of you (and all) of you sky-fairyists have the expectation that everyone else on the planet has to conform to some bizarre standards you place on yourselves?
Let's have a test of the offence a god would take of this;
god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god.
(wait 5 minutes ..................................................................................)
Hmmmmmmmm, I still alive, in the same condition physicall and mentally and the house hasn't burnt down. I can only surmise that your god, should it exist despite all evidence to the contrary, isn't offended. If it isn't, why should you be? Unless, of course, in the back of your mind, you have an inkling I may well be right. That is my guess for your moronic offence.
Physfan
@ Physfan
I think you missed the point... God has a capital letter because it is his name, the same as mine is David.
I think 'believers' become upset when it is not used for 2 reasons...
1 - that saying 'god' instead of 'God' may confuse with other religions.
2 - People love this God more so than themselves, and so say for instance you looked down a list of names and you saw that everybody's name had a capital except yours and you had the idea in your mind that the person that wrote those names did so deliberately to upset you. This would make some people upset.
Its true, some people (not always) spell God, 'god', for the soul purpose to upset people. Its up to the individual whether they take offense or not.
I think you missed the point... God has a capital letter because it is his name, the same as mine is David.
I think 'believers' become upset when it is not used for 2 reasons...
1 - that saying 'god' instead of 'God' may confuse with other religions.
2 - People love this God more so than themselves, and so say for instance you looked down a list of names and you saw that everybody's name had a capital except yours and you had the idea in your mind that the person that wrote those names did so deliberately to upset you. This would make some people upset.
Its true, some people (not always) spell God, 'god', for the soul purpose to upset people. Its up to the individual whether they take offense or not.
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 15 2008, 11:23 PM)
God is before gender.
How do you know this? Did he/she/it divinely reveal this to you?
QUOTE
Gender is a catagory of creation itself.
As is any potential god.
God is God. He is not His creation.
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 16 2008, 05:34 PM)
God is God. He is not His creation.
Because?
Because?
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 16 2008, 05:34 PM)
God is God. He is not His creation.
No he's your creation.
No he's your creation.
I would say that god is nothing more than a human's definition of the universe(s) and that universe(s) attempt at experiencing itself, however that plays out.
And with that statement, god truly is man's invention...
MM
And with that statement, god truly is man's invention...
MM
QUOTE (buttershug+Dec 16 2008, 07:00 PM)
No he's your creation.
God isn't created. He does.
Mitch Raemsch
God isn't created. He does.
Mitch Raemsch
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 16 2008, 09:09 PM)
God isn't created.
Evidence? Or did your doG eat it.
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 14 2008, 12:27 AM)
You forgot to capitalize God. Do you want to insult His believers?
his, eh? ain't you gonna be surprised when SHE shows up....
Bailiff, whack his peepee.
MM
his, eh? ain't you gonna be surprised when SHE shows up....
Bailiff, whack his peepee.
MM
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 16 2008, 09:09 PM)
God isn't created. He does.
Mitch Raemsch
You have created at least some of your parameters of God.
Will you at least acknowledge that?
Mitch Raemsch
You have created at least some of your parameters of God.
Will you at least acknowledge that?
Physics Pro,
You start with a false premiss (sic); for something to have a Proper Noun, it must "A proper noun has two distinctive features: 1) it will name a specific [usually a one-of-a-kind] item, and 2) it will begin with a capital letter no matter where it occurs in a sentence."
Your god is not one of a kind item. Is it Yahweh, who must have been to the deed poll office for a name change, or Allah, ditto, or Jesus Harry Christ, who is a god but isn't but is but isn't, or Thor, who is my favourite because of the hammer and lightning gig, or some other nefarious ne're-do-well.
"People love god"? I love a red wine but not all the time. I love my dog, all the time. I love my wife when she doesn't p15s me off (no, just joking, I love her all the time as well). BUT all of these things are REAL. I can see and touch them and, in the case of the dog, smell it a lot of the time. They aren't the figment of someone's vivid imagination a few thousnd years ago.
Thinking about it further, people like you are scary. You have this imaginary fairy that you "love more than yourself". That is wierd.
Physfan
QUOTE
@ Physfan
I think you missed the point... God has a capital letter because it is his name, the same as mine is David.
I think 'believers' become upset when it is not used for 2 reasons...
1 - that saying 'god' instead of 'God' may confuse with other religions.
2 - People love this God more so than themselves, and so say for instance you looked down a list of names and you saw that everybody's name had a capital except yours and you had the idea in your mind that the person that wrote those names did so deliberately to upset you. This would make some people upset.
Its true, some people (not always) spell God, 'god', for the soul purpose to upset people. Its up to the individual whether they take offense or not.
I think you missed the point... God has a capital letter because it is his name, the same as mine is David.
I think 'believers' become upset when it is not used for 2 reasons...
1 - that saying 'god' instead of 'God' may confuse with other religions.
2 - People love this God more so than themselves, and so say for instance you looked down a list of names and you saw that everybody's name had a capital except yours and you had the idea in your mind that the person that wrote those names did so deliberately to upset you. This would make some people upset.
Its true, some people (not always) spell God, 'god', for the soul purpose to upset people. Its up to the individual whether they take offense or not.
You start with a false premiss (sic); for something to have a Proper Noun, it must "A proper noun has two distinctive features: 1) it will name a specific [usually a one-of-a-kind] item, and 2) it will begin with a capital letter no matter where it occurs in a sentence."
Your god is not one of a kind item. Is it Yahweh, who must have been to the deed poll office for a name change, or Allah, ditto, or Jesus Harry Christ, who is a god but isn't but is but isn't, or Thor, who is my favourite because of the hammer and lightning gig, or some other nefarious ne're-do-well.
"People love god"? I love a red wine but not all the time. I love my dog, all the time. I love my wife when she doesn't p15s me off (no, just joking, I love her all the time as well). BUT all of these things are REAL. I can see and touch them and, in the case of the dog, smell it a lot of the time. They aren't the figment of someone's vivid imagination a few thousnd years ago.
Thinking about it further, people like you are scary. You have this imaginary fairy that you "love more than yourself". That is wierd.
Physfan
QUOTE (buttershug+Dec 16 2008, 10:26 PM)
You have created at least some of your parameters of God.
If I created God I would be a Bigger God.
Mitch Raemsch
If I created God I would be a Bigger God.
Mitch Raemsch
QUOTE (Cusa+Dec 16 2008, 11:14 PM)
If I created God I would be a Bigger God.
Mitch Raemsch
Tolkien created Gandalf.
Mitch Raemsch
Tolkien created Gandalf.
QUOTE
If I created God I would be a Bigger God.
THAT is an even scarier idea!
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@ Physfan
Just back to the English lesson (forgive my English is really bad) but say if i had followers and my name is David and they wished to call me Dave, shouldn't Dave still have an capital letter? Just a thought...
You disagree that these people you speak of so poorly of are incapable of transfixing themselves so vividly on a deity that they begin to love Him? I mean, I guess it comes down to your definition of 'love' if you believe that to love something you need to touch, I can understand how someone can find it so hard to believe that people love God. But then again, if you believe love is simply a chemical in the brain its beyond me why you struggle to believe someone can love something even trivial. At the same time (don't quote me on this) but didn't the word love originally describe 4 Hebrew words?
Lastly you assume I love God, I do not. However there are many things i do love more than myself.
Adding food for thought,
Dave.
Just back to the English lesson (forgive my English is really bad) but say if i had followers and my name is David and they wished to call me Dave, shouldn't Dave still have an capital letter? Just a thought...
You disagree that these people you speak of so poorly of are incapable of transfixing themselves so vividly on a deity that they begin to love Him? I mean, I guess it comes down to your definition of 'love' if you believe that to love something you need to touch, I can understand how someone can find it so hard to believe that people love God. But then again, if you believe love is simply a chemical in the brain its beyond me why you struggle to believe someone can love something even trivial. At the same time (don't quote me on this) but didn't the word love originally describe 4 Hebrew words?
Lastly you assume I love God, I do not. However there are many things i do love more than myself.
Adding food for thought,
Dave.
QUOTE (physics pro+Dec 24 2008, 02:18 PM)
@ Physfan
Just back to the English lesson (forgive my English is really bad) but say if i had followers and my name is David and they wished to call me Dave, shouldn't Dave still have an capital letter? Just a thought...
Just back to the English lesson (forgive my English is really bad) but say if i had followers and my name is David and they wished to call me Dave, shouldn't Dave still have an capital letter? Just a thought...
Say your name was John, and you frequent prostitutes, due to this behavior you are now also a john, which is a common noun, and not capitalized. See how this works?
That made no sense... But I think I get what you trying to say...
(using your example) His name would still be John with a capital letter... Not sure what you were attempting to prove, except that ignorant people may get confused.
(using your example) His name would still be John with a capital letter... Not sure what you were attempting to prove, except that ignorant people may get confused.
QUOTE (physics pro+Dec 28 2008, 08:16 AM)
That made no sense... But I think I get what you trying to say...
(using your example) His name would still be John with a capital letter... Not sure what you were attempting to prove, except that ignorant people may get confused.
It makes perfect sense. Nouns are used to identify people and things. In the example I gave of John/john, both nouns can be used to identify the same person when that person meets a given set of requirements. The same reasoning would apply to a god that goes by the name of God. Why should people be offended by a term that appropriately describes their object of worship?
(using your example) His name would still be John with a capital letter... Not sure what you were attempting to prove, except that ignorant people may get confused.
It makes perfect sense. Nouns are used to identify people and things. In the example I gave of John/john, both nouns can be used to identify the same person when that person meets a given set of requirements. The same reasoning would apply to a god that goes by the name of God. Why should people be offended by a term that appropriately describes their object of worship?
God is a god, gotcha ya.
however...
God is God.
however...
God is God.
QUOTE (physics pro+Dec 29 2008, 04:57 AM)
God is a god, gotcha ya.
however...
God is God.
or god is no god... one never quite seems to know.
however...
God is God.
or god is no god... one never quite seems to know.
God*
God is considering counseling and hormone therapy in an attempt to be more PC.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=134632949
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=134632949
pi x pi = pipi
QUOTE (enord+Mar 18 2011, 06:12 AM)
pi x pi = pipi
Except it's spelled, Popeye. "I am what I am."
Except it's spelled, Popeye. "I am what I am."
Apparently God is not a sexless wonder after all. According to this account, God has/had a wife.
http://news.discovery.com/history/god-wife...rah-110318.html
Perhaps an amended Bible and Koran are in order.
http://news.discovery.com/history/god-wife...rah-110318.html
Perhaps an amended Bible and Koran are in order.
QUOTE (Capracus+Mar 22 2011, 01:54 AM)
Apparently God is not a sexless wonder after all. According to this account, God has/had a wife.
http://news.discovery.com/history/god-wife...rah-110318.html
Perhaps an amended Bible and Koran are in order.
See, behind every great God there is a great Goddess. Ten bucks says that Mileva Marić did contribute to Einstein’s scientific achievements.
Wait. This is all starting to make sense, now. So, this is who he was talking to. I never did like that whole bit about him talking to Jesus or himself.
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.”
Oh man! Just think about how much crap everyone is going to get for not giving her any credit.
Hmm…a female god. What was it again that we had to say to get into heaven? Where’s Newguy? Maybe he remembers the magic words.
http://news.discovery.com/history/god-wife...rah-110318.html
Perhaps an amended Bible and Koran are in order.
See, behind every great God there is a great Goddess. Ten bucks says that Mileva Marić did contribute to Einstein’s scientific achievements.
Wait. This is all starting to make sense, now. So, this is who he was talking to. I never did like that whole bit about him talking to Jesus or himself.
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.”
Oh man! Just think about how much crap everyone is going to get for not giving her any credit.
Hmm…a female god. What was it again that we had to say to get into heaven? Where’s Newguy? Maybe he remembers the magic words.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
Makes sense that their arguing style would be formed so early. It would be very hard to differentiate a religion as superior among other similar religions. One polytheism can always be claimed a renaming of the deities of another. The "one true religion" argument became the "one true god" argument. Easier to argue. Now days, I think this would be called sensationalism. The truth of hyperbole.
God created gender. Just so that am not misunderstood, we've physical and spiritual/mental genders. Male and female is a physical gender. Lesbian, gay, transvests are examples of spiritual/mental genders. This is just my own classification. It works for me. God is a spirit and spirits have no gender. Especially a one that created other spirits and the concept of gender. Next you'll ask me what's the color of God? Or why does Jesus have a Hispanic name? Pu- lease!
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 07:20 AM)
God is a spirit and spirits have no gender.
Have you ever met a spirit, that you know this for a fact?
Have you ever met a spirit, that you know this for a fact?
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 07:20 AM)
God created gender. Just so that am not misunderstood, we've physical and spiritual/mental genders. Male and female is a physical gender. Lesbian, gay, transvests are examples of spiritual/mental genders. This is just my own classification. It works for me. God is a spirit and spirits have no gender. Especially a one that created other spirits and the concept of gender. Next you'll ask me what's the color of God? Or why does Jesus have a Hispanic name? Pu- lease!
What kind of gender is a Jesuit? And what makes them do these things?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...c55ad8bb8990e7f
What kind of gender is a Jesuit? And what makes them do these things?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...c55ad8bb8990e7f
QUOTE (NymphaeaAlba+)
Where’s Newguy?
Right here. Do you have a question for me?
Right here. Do you have a question for me?
QUOTE (fredinjeddah+Mar 26 2011, 09:48 AM)
Have you ever met a spirit, that you know this for a fact?
If I know for a fact? Is it OK if I quote the bible?
If I know for a fact? Is it OK if I quote the bible?
QUOTE (Capracus+Mar 26 2011, 09:59 AM)
What kind of gender is a Jesuit? And what makes them do these things?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...c55ad8bb8990e7f
I should have done some research before picking a user name. Is it possible to add the words; 'not belonging to an order of a similar name'? At least the Jesuits owned up. Not so the Shinto priests for what they allowed the Japanese army do to Koreans. I have nothing against the Japs before you start calling me a xenophobe.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...c55ad8bb8990e7f
I should have done some research before picking a user name. Is it possible to add the words; 'not belonging to an order of a similar name'? At least the Jesuits owned up. Not so the Shinto priests for what they allowed the Japanese army do to Koreans. I have nothing against the Japs before you start calling me a xenophobe.
Off topic. When does one stop being a newbe?
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 12:58 PM)
If I know for a fact? Is it OK if I quote the bible?
The question is, have you met a spirit that you know this for a fact. Quote the bible if you want, but it is a second hand account of alleged events, you speak as if you have had a personal experience in observing spirits. If you just read it in the bible, then just say so, but you are a fool to declare any of that as FACT!
A fact is something that can be cross referenced from several sources, so just using the bible as your source to declare that spirits have no sex, is illusionary.
Rather just admit that you read it in the bible, and you believe it to be true. Thats cool!
The question is, have you met a spirit that you know this for a fact. Quote the bible if you want, but it is a second hand account of alleged events, you speak as if you have had a personal experience in observing spirits. If you just read it in the bible, then just say so, but you are a fool to declare any of that as FACT!
A fact is something that can be cross referenced from several sources, so just using the bible as your source to declare that spirits have no sex, is illusionary.
Rather just admit that you read it in the bible, and you believe it to be true. Thats cool!
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 07:58 AM)
If I know for a fact? Is it OK if I quote the bible?
yes! quote exodus 21/20 & 21/21 & then explain
yes! quote exodus 21/20 & 21/21 & then explain
QUOTE (fredinjeddah+Mar 26 2011, 01:35 PM)
The question is, have you met a spirit that you know this for a fact. Quote the bible if you want, but it is a second hand account of alleged events, you speak as if you have had a personal experience in observing spirits. If you just read it in the bible, then just say so, but you are a fool to declare any of that as FACT!
A fact is something that can be cross referenced from several sources, so just using the bible as your source to declare that spirits have no sex, is illusionary.
Rather just admit that you read it in the bible, and you believe it to be true. Thats cool!
What is it with the hostility? Or is it just because you're from Jeddah you are assuming we despice you? I will be honest with you, I don't know for a fact but have chose to believe the biblical account. You are not compelled to believe in it. You are entitled to your opinion just as much as I am entitled to mine. Happy chatting brother Fareed.
A fact is something that can be cross referenced from several sources, so just using the bible as your source to declare that spirits have no sex, is illusionary.
Rather just admit that you read it in the bible, and you believe it to be true. Thats cool!
What is it with the hostility? Or is it just because you're from Jeddah you are assuming we despice you? I will be honest with you, I don't know for a fact but have chose to believe the biblical account. You are not compelled to believe in it. You are entitled to your opinion just as much as I am entitled to mine. Happy chatting brother Fareed.
QUOTE (enord+Mar 26 2011, 02:25 PM)
yes! quote exodus 21/20 & 21/21 & then explain
I'll rather limit myself to the new covenant otherwise known as the new testament or the Early Greek Texts. Christiandom corrupted the bible especially LXX. If you are given a torn cloth you mend it. You don't tear it down to tatters. Sorry, but I am not going to discuss that chapter.
I'll rather limit myself to the new covenant otherwise known as the new testament or the Early Greek Texts. Christiandom corrupted the bible especially LXX. If you are given a torn cloth you mend it. You don't tear it down to tatters. Sorry, but I am not going to discuss that chapter.
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 01:18 PM)
I should have done some research before picking a user name. Is it possible to add the words; 'not belonging to an order of a similar name'?
You could add a clarifying sentence in the signature field of you profile.
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 01:18 PM)
At least the Jesuits owned up. Not so the Shinto priests for what they allowed the Japanese army do to Koreans. I have nothing against the Japs before you start calling me a xenophobe.
It wasn't the Shinto priests who got organized and said en-masse that the Japanese spirits demanded war. If anything, Japan's civil government lost control of its military possibly echoing the social change of disenfranchising the samurai class.
Korea was a victim of geography ( a little like Poland in Europe ) and was victim to the imperial ambitions of China, Russia, America and Japan as well as its own internal politics and long-term isolationist policies.
So it's not clear how you equate Shinto and Catholic priests in culpability when Catholicism does have a central authority which not only legitimize colonialism as parallel to its own goals, but intervened in the colonial plans of Europe.
How can "Shinto" even apologize for anything without a central authority?
Later, in World War II, the government made efforts to co-opt Shinto as a tool. But that seems to be motivated by the military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Shinto
It wasn't the Shinto priests who got organized and said en-masse that the Japanese spirits demanded war. If anything, Japan's civil government lost control of its military possibly echoing the social change of disenfranchising the samurai class.
Korea was a victim of geography ( a little like Poland in Europe ) and was victim to the imperial ambitions of China, Russia, America and Japan as well as its own internal politics and long-term isolationist policies.
So it's not clear how you equate Shinto and Catholic priests in culpability when Catholicism does have a central authority which not only legitimize colonialism as parallel to its own goals, but intervened in the colonial plans of Europe.
How can "Shinto" even apologize for anything without a central authority?
Later, in World War II, the government made efforts to co-opt Shinto as a tool. But that seems to be motivated by the military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Shinto
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 01:32 PM)
I'll rather limit myself to the new covenant otherwise known as the new testament or the Early Greek Texts. Christiandom corrupted the bible especially LXX. If you are given a torn cloth you mend it. You don't tear it down to tatters. Sorry, but I am not going to discuss that chapter.
ok, when jesus removed the demons from the madman & delivered the demon to a herd of pigs which then drowned....*** or WHAT THE FATHER?
ok, when jesus removed the demons from the madman & delivered the demon to a herd of pigs which then drowned....*** or WHAT THE FATHER?
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 07:18 AM)
I have nothing against the Japs before you start calling me a xenophobe.
You do know that "Jap" is usually taken to be a slur, don't you?
You win the prize for the most oxymoronic post.
You do know that "Jap" is usually taken to be a slur, don't you?You win the prize for the most oxymoronic post.
QUOTE (enord+)
yes! quote exodus 21/20 & 21/21 & then explain
I know that your comment wasn't directed towards me, but, personally, I'd be happy to. First, tell me what you think it says/means, so I know if I should even bother.
I know that your comment wasn't directed towards me, but, personally, I'd be happy to. First, tell me what you think it says/means, so I know if I should even bother.
QUOTE (enord+)
ok, when jesus removed the demons from the madman & delivered the demon to a herd of pigs which then drowned....*** or WHAT THE FATHER?
I don't know what that means. Perhaps something that you wrote got replaced by asterisks, because the last part of that makes no sense to me. Would you care to reword your comment/question? Thanks.
I don't know what that means. Perhaps something that you wrote got replaced by asterisks, because the last part of that makes no sense to me. Would you care to reword your comment/question? Thanks.
QUOTE (newguy+Mar 26 2011, 02:47 PM)
I don't know what that means. Perhaps something that you wrote got replaced by asterisks, because the last part of that makes no sense to me. Would you care to reword your comment/question? Thanks.
EXODUS= GOD NEEDS A MRI MACHINE TO SEE INTERNAL BLEEDING of slave
poor pigs were evil cause trichonosis was unidentified & nasty when wild but currently used as pets
yes, please explain otherwise
EXODUS= GOD NEEDS A MRI MACHINE TO SEE INTERNAL BLEEDING of slave
poor pigs were evil cause trichonosis was unidentified & nasty when wild but currently used as pets
yes, please explain otherwise
QUOTE (enord+)
EXODUS= GOD NEEDS A MRI MACHINE TO SEE INTERNAL BLEEDING of slave
I'll ask you for further clarification in a moment, but, first, here are the verses in question:
"And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money." (Exodus 21:20-21)
Are you saying that God couldn't tell whether or not the servant or maid had internal bleeding and therefore didn't know whether or not the servant or maid would live a day or two? Please clarify and then I'll respond. I just want to make sure that I'm understanding you properly before giving you my own understanding of these passages. Thanks.
I'll ask you for further clarification in a moment, but, first, here are the verses in question:
"And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money." (Exodus 21:20-21)
Are you saying that God couldn't tell whether or not the servant or maid had internal bleeding and therefore didn't know whether or not the servant or maid would live a day or two? Please clarify and then I'll respond. I just want to make sure that I'm understanding you properly before giving you my own understanding of these passages. Thanks.
QUOTE (enord+)
poor pigs were evil cause trichonosis was unidentified & nasty when wild but currently used as pets
What does "trichonosis" (trichinosis) have to do with anything?
Who said that the pigs were evil?
According to the account, the demons begged Jesus not to cast them into the abyss, but rather into the pigs.
What does "trichonosis" (trichinosis) have to do with anything?
Who said that the pigs were evil?
According to the account, the demons begged Jesus not to cast them into the abyss, but rather into the pigs.
I am sorry that I got distracted. I'm not the sharpest tool in the rack so am not going to task myself with difficult issue. Jap is not a slurr the world over. Just check Wiki. All the same my apologies to the Japanese community in the United States of America. For historical reason of which non Japanese- American are apologetic about it is a slurr in that part of the world. Thanks too to rpenner. I'll do better to avoid deep waters in future. Am not such a big girl after all. Suppose I just say my God has no gender that I know of will I be in order? Shouldn't it be obvious that the Christian God is above gender? Don't answer. I'll just keep off.
QUOTE (newguy+Mar 26 2011, 03:16 PM)
What does "trichonosis" (trichinosis) have to do with anything?
Who said that the pigs were evil?
According to the account, the demons begged Jesus not to cast them into the abyss, but rather into the pigs.
exodus= had god had a MRI , god cudda seen the internal hemorrhaging not visible from the exterior?
Who said that the pigs were evil?
According to the account, the demons begged Jesus not to cast them into the abyss, but rather into the pigs.
exodus= had god had a MRI , god cudda seen the internal hemorrhaging not visible from the exterior?
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 08:54 PM)
Shouldn't it be obvious that the Christian God is above gender? Don't answer. I'll just keep off.
It's not obvious that the Christian god, or any other god is anything. What is obvious is what gods are imagined to be.
It's not obvious that the Christian god, or any other god is anything. What is obvious is what gods are imagined to be.
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 26 2011, 03:16 PM)
What is it with the hostility? Or is it just because you're from Jeddah you are assuming we despice you? , You are not compelled to believe in it. You are entitled to your opinion just as much as I am entitled to mine. Happy chatting brother Fareed.
Sweet Jesuit thingy, that wasn't hostile at all. I have no reason to believe you would hate anyone from Jeddah, especially because you have probably never met anyone from Jeddah, and I am not from Jeddah.
As opposed to last time?
As opposed to last time?
I don't know for a fact but have chose to believe the biblical account.
Now you say you do not know for a fact that god has no gender. That is my point. You make a loose statement which you now yourself admit was not accurate before. If you want to confront the scientific/logical mind, then do so on a scientific and logical basis. Use your words, like "fath" and then we know what you actually mean.
I truly have no issue with you believing the biblical account, only when you use the words "I know for a fact" , do I start having concerns..
Rgrds
Fareed Ali Kahn! (not)
You do know that "Jap" is usually taken to be a slur, don't you?
You win the prize for the most oxymoronic post.
Only thing missing is "some of my best friends are j***"
Just kidding Jesuit, I don't neccesarily believe you have issues with the Japanese, but then again you could just be another newguy who has issues with everyone.
Sweet Jesuit thingy, that wasn't hostile at all. I have no reason to believe you would hate anyone from Jeddah, especially because you have probably never met anyone from Jeddah, and I am not from Jeddah.
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I will be honest with you
As opposed to last time?
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| I will be honest with you |
As opposed to last time?
I don't know for a fact but have chose to believe the biblical account.
Now you say you do not know for a fact that god has no gender. That is my point. You make a loose statement which you now yourself admit was not accurate before. If you want to confront the scientific/logical mind, then do so on a scientific and logical basis. Use your words, like "fath" and then we know what you actually mean.
I truly have no issue with you believing the biblical account, only when you use the words "I know for a fact" , do I start having concerns..
Rgrds
Fareed Ali Kahn! (not)
QUOTE (synthsin75+Mar 26 2011, 07:33 PM)
You do know that "Jap" is usually taken to be a slur, don't you?You win the prize for the most oxymoronic post.
Only thing missing is "some of my best friends are j***"
Just kidding Jesuit, I don't neccesarily believe you have issues with the Japanese, but then again you could just be another newguy who has issues with everyone.
Yeah. I see my mistake. Should have said it is a matter of opinion and not fact in order to keep this discourse scientific. In the religious realm they are considered 'facts' otherwise it will betray lack of faith. I see this is the creation/evolution section. I accept evolution but not atheism. I've skimmed the forum to see there is much debate on this issues. As for you being from Jeddah, that was a poor attempt at an intelligent guess. I've never met anyone from that city either. Is it a matter of fact that some people believed in male and female deities? Baal and Asherah. Al alah and Al lat? Shiva e.t.c. Not to mention all the Greek and Roman gods. They maybe nothing but people's imaginations. Believing is a mystery.
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 27 2011, 07:35 AM)
Yeah. I see my mistake.
We all make them, and I and many others on this forum have done the same thing.
To come back to your original question though, and I have to declare myself as an agnostic answering this, If a god existed that created everything, I doubt that god would have any gender, as gender is mainly required for procreation, an act such a god does not require any physicality or gender to complete.
Specifically your god, allegedly caused a virgin to fall pregnant without the need for penetration or insemination. That god just willed it and it allegedly happened, so I see no practical need for your god to have a gender.
Bearing in mind, we define gender by indirectly referring to the sexual apparatus either has (transexuals etc aside).
Well at least thats what I think and this is only my opinion on the matter.
We all make them, and I and many others on this forum have done the same thing.
To come back to your original question though, and I have to declare myself as an agnostic answering this, If a god existed that created everything, I doubt that god would have any gender, as gender is mainly required for procreation, an act such a god does not require any physicality or gender to complete.
Specifically your god, allegedly caused a virgin to fall pregnant without the need for penetration or insemination. That god just willed it and it allegedly happened, so I see no practical need for your god to have a gender.
Bearing in mind, we define gender by indirectly referring to the sexual apparatus either has (transexuals etc aside).
Well at least thats what I think and this is only my opinion on the matter.
Thanks. If it were not for the words 'allegedly' you would pass for a believer. Did you know that even us believers are agnostic in some areas? Take Trinity for example. It is a mystery. Only God has knowledge of all things. This is a shared opinion by people professing my faith.
QUOTE (Jesuit+)
If it were not for the words 'allegedly' you would pass for a believer.
According to the scriptures, even the demons/devils believe. Faith without works is dead.
According to the scriptures, even the demons/devils believe. Faith without works is dead.
QUOTE (Jesuit+)
Did you know that even us believers are agnostic in some areas?
Do you recongize that God wants us to know Him and not just believe? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm sincerely asking.
Do you recongize that God wants us to know Him and not just believe? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm sincerely asking.
QUOTE (Jesuit+)
Take Trinity for example. It is a mystery.
No, it is not.
No, it is not.
QUOTE (Jesuit+)
Only God has knowledge of all things.
True.
True.
QUOTE (Jesuit+)
This is a shared opinion by people professing my faith.
If this comment is in regards to only God having knowledge of all things, then I share your opinion. If, however, this comment is in regards to the Trinity being a mystery, then I totally disagree.
If this comment is in regards to only God having knowledge of all things, then I share your opinion. If, however, this comment is in regards to the Trinity being a mystery, then I totally disagree.
Our limited knowledge can not fully comprehend the holy Trinity. Try explaining this to someone who isn't a believer. Then there are those who argue that the Trinity came into Christianity some three century later. Sadly enough there are believers who insist that this is true. But they are quoting history books, how can they be sure? It is more honest to say we do not know till it is revealed to us by the almighty God. "We will know" is different from "we may never know" or "we will never know either way" so maybe agnostic is not the proper word. I agree God wants us to know Him and He reveals His mysteries to us piecemeal.
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 27 2011, 10:14 AM)
Our limited knowledge can not fully comprehend the holy Trinity. Try explaining this to someone who isn't a believer. Then there are those who argue that the Trinity came into Christianity some three century later. Sadly enough there are believers who insist that this is true. But they are quoting history books, how can they be sure? It is more honest to say we do not know till it is revealed to us by the almighty God. "We will know" is different from "we may never know" or "we will never know either way" so maybe agnostic is not the proper word. I agree God wants us to know Him and He reveals His mysteries to us piecemeal.
HE GOD IMPLIES PENUS?
HE GOD IMPLIES PENUS?
QUOTE (enord+Mar 27 2011, 04:53 PM)
HE GOD IMPLIES PENUS?
I am afraid but I didn't understand. How long before someone stop being a newbie? Anybody?
I am afraid but I didn't understand. How long before someone stop being a newbie? Anybody?
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 27 2011, 12:25 PM)
I am afraid but I didn't understand. How long before someone stop being a newbie? Anybody?
50 posts
50 posts
QUOTE (Jesuit+Mar 27 2011, 10:58 AM)
Thanks. If it were not for the words 'allegedly' you would pass for a believer. Did you know that even us believers are agnostic in some areas? Take Trinity for example. It is a mystery. Only God has knowledge of all things. This is a shared opinion by people professing my faith.
How do you know that God has knowledge of all things?
Sorry
How do you know that God has knowledge of all things?
Sorry
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